WEBVTT - Honey, I Shrunk the Kids with Jana Schmieding 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.440 or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zeph and bast 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.960 start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:21.520 Honey, I shrunk the cast, the pod, shrink the cast, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.480 the podcast that is okay, I was gonna go with pot. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.520 I shrunk the cast. Oh but there's there's we'll we'll 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.960 keep finding it. I think we'll keep finding it. There's 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.519 so many. This is maybe one of the most iconic 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.520 movie titles of its generation. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.879 Probably truly. It really is just want to know the 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.520 plot of the movie. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.840 And he's and he says it. I also, I came 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.519 to appreciate the title of this movie even more when 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.040 I learned what it could have been called. There was 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.279 a lot of weird uh, Like, this movie was originally 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:02.080 being shopped around under the title teeny weenie. Originally you're 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.600 like in a world where this movie was called teeny weenies. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.520 I just don't think it's as successful teeny weenies. And 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.720 then they later were like, as the Wikipedia explains it, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.600 teeny weenies seem to appeal to a more child demographic. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.760 Which I don't necessarily think is the reason that title 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.040 doesn't work, but not at all teeny weenies, the name 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.280 was changed to grounded to appeal to a more mature audience, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.839 also not seeing the logic. I mean that one makes. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.360 More sense because first of all, they're on the ground. Yeah, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.200 they're so close to the ground. But grounded implies that 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:40.240 they've misbehaved and they're grounded, but that's not really what happens. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.360 Well, then it changed again to the big backyard, which 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.560 sounds I think more childish than ever. Yes, and then 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.600 finally they were like, let's just take the line of 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:56.760 dialogue out of Rick Moranis's beautiful lips, those big juicy lips. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.080 Rick moran I am going to be objectifying NAS's lips today, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:01.600 buckle in. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.320 I mean, what else is news? 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:08.639 As with every other time we've discussed, he's got perfect lips. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.720 Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name's Jamie. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:17.080 Lofts Us talking about Rick Moranis's big, juicy lips does 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.040 pass the Bechdel test somehow? 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:25.320 Yeah, unless unless he who I'm sure as a listener, objects. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.760 I will stop. But I Betty likes I think he's 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.560 into it. Yeah, anyway, my name's Caitlin Dernte. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.200 My name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.280 where we discuss your favorite movies, using the Bechdel Test 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:42.120 as a jumping off point and using an intersectional feminist lens. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.280 But Caitlin, what is the Bechdel Test, because this movie's 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:47.760 gonna struggle with it? 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.880 It really is. It is a media metric created by 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.960 a dear friend of ours, friend of the pod, Alison Bechdel. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.600 There are many versions of it. The one that we 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:02.480 use is do two characters of a marginalized gender speak 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.240 to each other? Do those characters have names? And is 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.760 there conversation about something other than a man? Also, we 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.840 particularly like it when it is a narratively meaningful and 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.639 relevant conversation and not just throw away dialogue that could 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.480 be cut out of the movie and it would change 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.679 nothing to the narrative. And as you said, this movie's 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:32.000 gonna really struggle despite there being several characters who are 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.960 women and girls in this story, but. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.720 You won't catch them not being blonde, and you won't 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.960 catch them not being in relation to a weird guy. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.280 We have a wonderful guest with us to discuss this movie. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.800 She's a comedian and writer. You've seen her on Reservation 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.320 Dogs and Rutherford Falls. You remember her from our episodes 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:03.840 on the Vivich and Never Ending Story. It's Janish meeting Welcome. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:09.000 Back, Welcome back. I love hearing guests past episodes because 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.400 you're just like, what a journey we've been on. What 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.440 is a podcast if not a never ending story? 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.919 Truly, truly, and this one just kind of continues the 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.400 story in such a weird way. I think maybe you 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:28.960 can see from the pattern of my choices in movies 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:33.040 to discuss with you. I love a practical effect of 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.840 any kind. I love sort of a puppetry vibe. I 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:41.239 love the films of the like the kind of creepy 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.440 films of the nineteen eighties that were geared towards children, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:49.280 that were sort of adult themes. This one not so. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.640 Much, but there's like scary imagery and yeah, there's. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.599 Like sci fi kind of fantasy vibes going on. And also, 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.680 you know, the creepiness of white people, which is something 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:06.039 I love to talk about, but yeah, this one is 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:07.880 sort of That's all it. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.119 Is, in my opinion, creepy wait through creepy white people, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:12.600 and its creepy. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.160 Dads and it's creepy white people creepy each other out 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:21.719 and then deciding it's actually fine, which is we could 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.000 get into whatever that is supposed to be. 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:26.400 Huh. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.200 But I we're so excited to have you back. What 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.400 is your history with Honey I Shrunk the Kids. And 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.400 because there's so much that the Honey I Shrunk the 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:36.680 Kids expanded universe. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.320 Oh, I'm so glad you asked, Jamie, because I was 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.640 sort of a child of the eighties. I was. I 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.960 was nine years old when Honey I Shrunk the Kids 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.320 came out in nineteen eighty nine, so I did sort 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.760 of have I was like marketed heavily too by Honey 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.680 I Shrunk the Kids and you know, the entire Disney 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.200 cinematic universe of the eighties. So I was like, I 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.760 was on that. I was on the fucking tip with 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.839 with Honey I Shrunk Choo Kids. I was like, I 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.360 can't wait for this shit to come out. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.120 Your finger was on the pulse. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.560 I was really and you know what they released in 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.160 quick succession, so Honey I Shrunk the Kids. I feel 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.600 like it was like kind of a breakout Disney live 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.440 action in the eighties. It was kind of like, hey, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:29.359 we're doing this theatrical release, made for TV movie. I 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.720 think I didn't get a theatrical release. I swear it did. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.960 Oh it did, and it was it was. It made 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.920 the Yes, I think the current equivalent of half a 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:38.880 billion dollars. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.120 That's insane. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.800 Made so much money. There was no person, it seems 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.720 on Earth who didn't. It's doing almost Avatar numbers. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.760 Truly, and it kind of was in that that very 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:56.040 quick moment of nineteen eighties, like Disney History. It really 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.320 had a fucking moment and and it I watched the 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.520 making up, which I actually think I kind of like 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.960 more than the than the movie. They have a making 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.080 of that. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.919 Is like I've seen it, or you can see how 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:09.720 the effects are done. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.680 You know, I bet it's somewhere on YouTube. I thought 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.200 about this last night while I was watching it. I 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.360 was like, I wonder if the YouTube, if YouTube has 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.840 the making of because the making of was fucking sick. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.560 But we can get into that later. But yeah, I 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.080 didn't love the second Honey, I Shrunk the Kids or 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.800 any consecutive ones. I was really just sort of like 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:36.960 in that childhood like Disney watching moment where I was 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.160 like the target audience for Honey I shrunk the kids, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.360 and you know my taste. I love. I love a stunt, 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.120 a practical effect, like any kind of slapstick bullshit, a giant, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.280 a weird set like, and they showed it, they showed 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.040 how they made it all. It was so cool. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.640 That's so cool. Yeah, when I started watching this movie, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.760 I was like, oh, no, I understand why Jenna was 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.720 this because it is. It makes sense and it's awesome. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.920 I mean, it's wild. How I mean, I'm sure we 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.600 will get into it a lot today, but just the 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.880 lost art of practical effects, it is just such a 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:13.440 damn show. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:14.600 Aren't we doing it? 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.640 And not lost? Disinvested, Yes, disinvested. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:22.560 We could easily have movies with this level of practical effects. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.560 It's creepy. It's terrifying. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:25.440 It's terrifying. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.200 Like everything was so slimy and goofy and like it 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.240 was giving sort of Nickelodeon. Also, like there was like 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.960 some elements of like kind of gross out elements in 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.079 the in the movie that I'm like these the eighties 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.760 was perfect for kids films because it scares kids and 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.520 it's always some sci fi weird thing that is like 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.319 completely like not scientifically, we are not able to do it, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.319 but like we were just dreaming so big in the eighties. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.320 We were just saying, whatever the weak do that. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.680 I miss movies like this. They just don't make them 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:05.680 like this too. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.720 Yeah, where you're like, it's incredibly weird. But the scope, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.840 the scope of it is both very large and very small. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.120 It's really satisfying totally. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.520 I mean, the story is absolute trash. And my boyfriend 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.920 who watched it with me, did fall asleep half way through, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:23.920 and I sort of had to smoke a lot of 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.319 weed to sort of keep the interest alive. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.520 I kept falling asleep during both watches of this, and 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.360 then I had to wake up and then be like, oh, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:33.920 how how much did I miss? 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:34.360 It? 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:34.960 Was wind? 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.080 I was wide awake. I'm like, I'm realizing walked in. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.719 I'm realizing that I hadn't seen this movie before. I'm 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.000 pretty sure I should have texted my mom about it. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.840 But there were certain things in movies that were just 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.920 total non starters from me when I was little, one 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.679 that I talk about on the shows all the time, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.760 or the talking animals where it's a real animal and 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.280 the mouth is digitally manipulated, and then it's like Ja 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.080 Ja Gabor's voice. I can't do that. It scared me 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.440 so much. The non blinking animals, I didn't like that. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:06.160 Yikes. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.680 The other thing was giant insects, which I learned when 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.679 one of the the first movie I remember seeing when 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.760 I was really little is James and the Giant Peach 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.880 couldn't do the bugs. And I have a feeling that's 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.360 why this movie was kept from me, because it was 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.880 it was it's really doing the bugs. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:26.559 It is. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:27.959 Oh yes, yeah. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.800 It's sort of like when when a Bug's Life came out. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.280 I was like, you guys already did that. It's called 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.880 honey Trunk the kids. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.760 But I was. I was quite moved when I I 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.319 will say another thing that doesn't happen really in children's 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.480 movies that and I say this, I'm like, I don't 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.160 have kids. I don't know what I'm talking about, but 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.640 I don't think it happens as much. Is that characters 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:54.199 that we love die? Yeah, I was. I was moved 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.560 when the ant died. I was very sad. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:58.600 It's the low point of the movie. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.640 Yeah, yeah, it's like the big It's a fucking crisis 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.400 for these kids. I can't. Also, I don't want to 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.920 like break into the plot, but like, can you imagine 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.520 getting shrunked, getting shrunk that bad? Can you imagine getting 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:18.559 shrunk like that? How fucking traumatizing it would be. You 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:23.760 would have the craziest CPTSD, like for the rest of 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:24.400 your life. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.720 No one would know how to talk to you, no 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.280 see any therapist. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.560 You would be committed immediately, and like rightfully, so like 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.920 I just I can't even imagine what these kids adult lies. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.439 We're like that's my main I mean again, it's like 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.960 a suspension of disbelief thing, but like, my main thing 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.640 with this movie is, amongst other things, how it seems 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:53.320 like literally everyone is severely underreacting. Oh my yes, the shrinking. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.319 The shrunk are like, oh god, I'm not going to 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.640 make it to the mall. And then the parent, the parents, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.760 I'm like, what. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.079 Is They don't seem to give a single shit about 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:04.719 what's going on. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.280 They're like eating cereal, They're going to bed at nine pm. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:09.840 I'm like, what the hell? 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.800 And you know what, That's the other beauty about eighties 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.199 movies is it's saying something about our parents and how 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.040 they kind of don't give a shit. They're up their 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.640 own asses. They're not really paying attention to what we're doing, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.800 so we can kind of go and have our own 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.720 adventures on our own. It's giving, latch key, it's giving 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:32.120 like I'm watching soap operas after school because my mom 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.120 is at home. Like it's it's it's one hundred percent 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.560 of the time of its time. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:41.240 Yes, you cannot accuse these parents of being helicopter parents. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.120 They've really not a nineteen eighties parent, absolutely not. They 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:46.920 couldn't be them. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.800 They're like, oh, yeah, you have to clean the entire house, girl. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.240 And if I shrink you, well maybe I'll learn something 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.640 about me at the end of the movie. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.280 Maybe, but kind of not really gotta help God help you. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.040 If you shrink my couch, I gotta help you. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.520 The couch is a bigger concern at multiple points in 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.720 the plot. Kate Caitlyn, what's your history with this movie? 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.960 I saw this quite a few times as a kid, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.920 but I have not seen it in probably around thirty 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.280 years or more. So a lot of the details were 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.680 pretty foggy for me, though I do remember specific moments. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:36.520 I remembered various moments with the giant aunt. I remember 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.160 just a little bits and pieces of them, like navigating 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.080 through the grass, and then I remembered the cheerios at 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:43.719 the very end. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.920 The cheerios are such a highlight that is wild. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:53.120 It maybe is saying something also, uh, Caitlin, perhaps are 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.640 your different the differences that you and I have, which 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.599 is I remember the fucking French Kiss? So I was like, oh, 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.360 like when I was a kid, I was like, oh 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.839 my god, this movie is so horny. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.760 Wow, wow, wow. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.560 I was into it. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.760 Sure, I mean, it's certainly we'll talk about it, but 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.880 like it's not. There are certainly worst teen romances and 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:21.880 you know what, Well, no, I'm realizing this is incorrect. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.800 I was gonna say, what sustains a relationship but shared trauma? 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.640 That's not true, but shouldn't be. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.120 But it's it's a foundation. We got shrunk together, and 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.080 I believe you. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:35.120 It's right. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.280 Your shrinking story is valid. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.680 In any case. Yes, I saw this movie quite a bit. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.120 I don't think we had it on VHS. I was 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.280 three when it came out, so I wouldn't have seen 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.360 it until the early nineties, but it was in the 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.640 rotation for a while. I think we probably rented it 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.360 from the video store quite a bit, but after that 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.680 I kind of grew out of it and haven't seen 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.120 it in several decades. But rewatching it for this, I 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:07.960 was like, Ooh, these practical effects, Ooh this these wild 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.360 parents who don't give a shit that their kids are missing. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.640 I also didn't know much about or it had been 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.920 a long time since I had read anything about Joe Johnston, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.360 who we've covered his work before because he also directed Jumanji, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.720 but I didn't realize that he It totally makes sense. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.400 Got started as an effects guy and an art director, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.280 and he literally designed like the Millennium Falcon and Boba 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.400 fet like he's a bit of a legend. And then 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:36.960 he was like, I'm going to be a director and 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.480 I know just the project. And he was right. It 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.520 made a bajillion nineteen eighty nine dollars. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.000 Yes, and Jamie, you said you had not seen this. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.240 Before, right, I hadn't seen it. I did, And I 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:54.440 guess this I found fell into because even though it's 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.560 the oldest of the type of movie I'm going to describe, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.480 it does feel like there was a very like late 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:05.960 eighties into the nineties early two thousand's plot that boils 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:13.040 down to father and or husband whose special interest is 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:19.520 ruining his family's life. Now this I would include, and please, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.440 I was like, I know I'm missing stuff. I would 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:26.280 include Flubber flubber, and this Flubber is ruining his marriage, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:31.040 Doctor Dolittle, the animals, it's becoming too much for the family. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.840 The Santa Claus clause. He's already divorced, but it is 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.960 ruining his son's life. Casper wife is dead, but the 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.280 ghost thing destroying Christina Ricci's life. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.120 Yes, damn. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.400 There's also Jack frost. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.320 Oh my god, how could I forget Jack frost. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.520 Yep, Michael Keaton loves his band too much or something, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.800 and then he turns into a snowman about it. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.040 They do imply that being a father in a cover 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.800 band could kill you. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.040 It turns into a snowman about it is the funniest. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.840 So I hate my life and my family. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.000 But yeah, no, Jamie, you're right. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.520 There's so many movies like this from this era. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.960 This plot pay and I was trying to figure out 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.800 and this and Missus Doubtfire isn't quite this because I 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.760 wouldn't say being missus doubtfire's his special interest. But it 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.840 has the same energy, right, Like, this big thing that 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.320 the dad is doing is irreparably harming the lives of 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.760 his family. And all of these movies, if they do 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.200 involve divorce, have a different perspective on it. This movie 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.000 comes down on don't do it. Yeah, and actually the 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.520 dad should maybe not even change what he's doing. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.720 But mom needs to kind of come around. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.480 Exactly, and that's what's for the best of all. I 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.520 guess at least in the Santa Claus they stay divorced. Yes, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.480 Because I don't know, Judge reinholds love is too powerful. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:03.040 I don't know. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.840 I was just thinking thinking a lot about this plot. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.199 I'm like, I wonder why it was just coming up 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:09.680 so much. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:10.240 Oh. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.639 Also, I think, liar, liar, you could put into this category. Oh, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.960 I've ever seen a special interest is more it's like 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.360 his job, but his job as a lawyer, and then 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.159 it ruins his son's life. I think. I don't know. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.160 I haven't seen that movie since I was twelve. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.720 So listeners please weigh in, either with more examples or 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.200 why the hell this was happening other than we are 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.440 supposed to think that fathers are more interesting. But it's 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.880 like a subthing going on here. Anyways, I hadn't seen it, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.840 but it's a rich text. 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.480 Sure is, Let's take a quick break and then we'll 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:58.920 come back for the recap. Okay, here's the recap. We 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:05.679 meet two kids. Amy is a teen girl who's talking 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.439 on the phone with her friends about her crush and 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.280 she's making plans to go to the mall. You know, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.639 teen girl stuff it is. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.680 It feels like very specifically like eighties teen girl too. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:17.560 Yeah. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.399 And we also meet her younger brother, Nick, who I 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:26.880 think is like eight years old. He likes science stuff 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.640 because he's a boy and science is for boys according 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.960 to this movie. He takes after their dad, Wayne Zelenski, 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:41.080 who was a scientist slash inventor who is busy building 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:47.280 this elaborate shrinking machine in the attic that is supposed 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.320 to significantly shrink whatever object you put in front of it, 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.640 but it also has the power to reverse that if 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.720 the plot requires that. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.920 I was trying to think. I was like, what would honestly, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.960 later on when Amy is like, this shrinking machine is 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.080 going to make my father rich and famous, and I 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:06.560 was like, what would they use it for? And I 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.840 was like, honestly, the fucking military would figure something out. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:14.200 Military industrial complex is the answer. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.480 Like like Rick moranis would sell this technology for billions 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.040 of dollars to the military. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:26.480 He would be I don't think so, because isn't the 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.440 sequel like Kids, I Shrunk Honey or. 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.439 Honey I blew up the kid. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:33.800 Oh yeah, Honey, I blew up. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.440 I can, but but I blew up it means large, right, yeah, 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.080 not explode. That is a confusing time. Honey, I blew 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.399 up the kid. We need a second pass on that, yeah, yes. 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.280 And then the third one is Honey, we shrunk ourselves 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.000 and the parents get shrunk. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.560 And then there was also a TV show and then 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:56.720 there was almost. 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.959 A reboot called Shrunk. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.479 I remember, Oh, I think that my closest encounter with 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.040 Honey Shrunk the Kids would have been the first time. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.000 Unless I'm projecting this memory on myself. I went to 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.639 Disney World when I was like thirteen, and they used 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.800 to have a ride called Honey, I Shrunk the audience, 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.119 And I'm pretty sure I went on that. 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.919 Yeah, Okay, I was like saying to my boyfriend last night, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.480 I was like, I know that they had a ride 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.240 at Disneyland, Like there was something it was a big 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.439 deal at Disneyland, and I remember being like, God, I 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.639 just want to go to Disneyland so bad. Organ, I 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.639 just want to Disneyland and go to Honey. I Shrunk 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.520 the Kid's Ride. I was so in on this, fucking 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.240 you i'd I don't know why. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:38.760 I gotta get shrunk. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:40.520 I want to get shrunk. 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.040 Wait, Honey, I blew up The Kid Is Okay came 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.960 out in nineteen eighty two, Everyone comes Back. In the film, 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.919 Wayne succeeds in enlarging his two year old's son to 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:57.280 gigantic proportions as one of his size changing experiments goes awry. Okay, 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.120 So he doesn't sell it to the military, and he's 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.480 just experimented on his family, which is evil in a 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.800 different way. It's interesting. And then in nineteen ninety seven 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.440 in Honey We Frank Ourselves, everyone is gone except for 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:14.600 Rick moranis. Everyone is like recast. Oh yes, yes, you 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:15.399 hate to see that. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.600 You hate to see it? Yeah, In any case, So 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.240 Wayne is working on this machine in his attic, except 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.800 he has not gotten it to properly function yet he 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:32.440 keeps just exploding apples, which is also making a bunch 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.280 of noise. Which pisss off his next door neighbor, Russell. 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:41.920 And we also meet Russell's his wife, May. 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.960 A very confusing character to me, Oh, I cannot pin 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:45.800 this lady down. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.160 No, we'll talk about her. But her name is May, 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.960 and she's played by Christine Sutherland, who people probably recognize 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:57.479 from Buffy. She played Buffy Summers's mom. Anyway, they have 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:04.480 two sons, Russ Junior and Ron, and Russell Senior is 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:09.320 trying to get his elder son, Russ Junior into fishing 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:13.840 and football and weightlifting, but Russ isn't interested in any 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.400 of that. He's busy leering at Amy through the window. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.679 I the thing with Russ, it's so like I like 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.080 in theory that he's like pushing back on his father's 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.960 stuff and he's like, you can't tell me what to like. 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.120 I'll tell me what to like. And then his dad 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:32.679 is like, Okay, what do you like? And he's like, 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:37.200 I don't know. We never really find out, and although. 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.640 Although we do sort of see that he maybe gets 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:45.280 a little boner while he's watching Amy dance in the kitchen. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.399 And so I thought last night, as I was watching it, 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.720 I was like, Dad, I just want to stay home 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:56.040 and jerk, which just let me and stay at home 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:57.960 and watch porn. That's all I want to do. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.240 Dad, which like, it doesn't seem like his dad character 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.160 would like receive that poorly. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.400 No, he's probably like, I'm doing the same thing. 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.600 Buddy, exactly. That guy was weird. Oh. I do not 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:10.320 like the dad. 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.879 I do not get what they were going for with 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.880 that character. I had never I wasn't familiar with this guy, 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.720 Matt Frewer, but he's been on everything. But he I 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.119 think most famously was Max Headroom. 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:23.680 That like Max Headroom. 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.040 Yeah, I did not. I mean I guess I was like, oh, yeah, 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.120 that was a guy, not a computer. So I guess 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.760 he did a good job at that. I mean, he's 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.800 I don't know. That character is so bizarre. I do 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.320 think it's interesting that they're like, Okay, our movie is 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.080 about two sets of kookie neighbors who are convinced they 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:41.280 are not the kookie neighbors. 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.480 There's all these moments where they'll look at each other 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.320 across the fence or whatever through the window and be like, 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:54.480 what a weirdo. Okay. Meanwhile, Wayne leaves the house, He 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:59.480 leaves his children unattended to head to a conference where 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:04.120 he's like talking to a group of scientists about his machine. 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.760 Well, he leaves the house after being like, it's unclear 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.199 to me at the top of the movie what the 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.040 state of the marriage is. It seems like mom is 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.760 like not currently, like is taking a break. 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.880 It seems very temporary because they say that she's they 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.840 had a fight the night before and so she went 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.639 to stay at her mother's house, but that she'll be 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.160 back that afternoon. 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:33.040 Right, But the kids are stressed, understandably, they're confused, yes, 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.439 and Rick Moranis replies by being like, it's all good, guys, 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.400 but the house needs to be clean when your mother 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.840 gets home. So you guys are gonna have to do that, 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.560 and specifically, Amy, you're gonna have to do that. 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:49.280 Yeah. He gives his kids very gendered chores where he's like, oh, Amy, 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.600 you're a girl, so you clean, and Nick, you're a boy. 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.680 Even though you're a small child and you're like eight 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.520 years old, you should mow the lawn. We'll get we'll 0:25:58.560 --> 0:25:59.080 get into. 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.680 That, but there are eight year olds that are told 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.040 to mow the lawn. I'm not endorsing it either way, 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.359 but I've seen it with mine own eyes. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:10.000 That seems very dangerous to me, but yeah, I'm sure 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:14.280 it happens anyway. So he leaves for this conference. While 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:18.679 he's gone, the younger neighbor kid Ron, accidentally hits a 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:24.560 baseball into the Selensky's attic. It strikes the shrinking machine 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:30.800 and turns it on and makes it start working because 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.919 it shrinks an armchair and a couches. 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.439 The couch. Rick Moranis's favorite child in the movie is 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:38.280 thinking couch. 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:43.480 Yes, his thinking couch that he's obsessed with. Meanwhile, Russ 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:47.280 sees that his brother Ron had smashed this window, so 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.120 he drags Ron over to the Selensky house to tell 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:55.000 them what happened, and Nick takes Ron up to the 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.560 attic to retrieve the baseball, but oh no, the machine 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.000 shrink the two of them, and then it shrinks Amy 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.679 and Russ Junior when they go upstairs to check on 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.520 the other kids. So now they're all tiny. They're like 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.080 a quarter of an inch tall. They're about the same 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:16.919 size as like a house fly. They're freaking out. Wayne 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:21.520 comes home, He's like, where are my kids, TIHI. 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.000 But then he's kind of like whatever, whatever. They're probably 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.840 at the ball yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.679 So he goes up to the attic. The kids are 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.200 trying to get his attention, but they're so small their 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:37.320 voices can't carry he can't hear them. And he's frustrated 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.600 about his machine because he was just humiliated at this conference. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:46.200 So he trashes this machine, beats it with a bat, yes, 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:48.760 just pretty much destroys it. 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:52.160 There's like debris wing and it's like threatening to hit 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:57.240 the shrunk people. He goes on a basically abusive rampage 0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.200 against his machine for humiliating him. 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.760 Yeah, rage against the machine. 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.240 I really I thought that the guy that like nags 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.199 him does he ever come back? The guy and the 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.280 guy who's like, oh hahu, will no? I think the 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.960 shrinking machine sucks. And you're just like, well, Sureley, we'll 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.240 see this guy again. And we just don't. We do not, 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:19.560 We just don't. 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:25.440 But Wayne does trash his own invention and then sweeps 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:30.359 up the debris as well as these four children unknowingly. 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.359 And to me, I'm like, okay, so you can clean 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:37.280 the house when it suits you. Yes, interesting, And. 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.080 He sweeps them all up into a dust pan, throws 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.320 them in the trash, and then takes the trash bag 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.040 out to the curb. Now the kids manage to cut 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.520 the trash bag open and escape, but now they have 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.840 to get back to the house through the yard, walking 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.680 a distance that's the equivalent of over three miles because 0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.240 of how small they are, So they embark on this journey. 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:05.440 Their mom, Diane, meanwhile, returns home and she's like, Wayne, 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.360 where are the kids, And he's like, hah, I don't know, 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:13.120 and they're both like, shrug, it's the nineteen eighties. Doesn't 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:14.600 matter where our kids are. 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.320 They're somewhere, yes, yeah. 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.120 We're cool with them not being around whatever. 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.160 And that's the attitude at first, But then eventually they 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.360 make some phone calls to other parents they realize that 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.880 their children are like low key missing, and then Russ 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:35.560 and Ron's mom may also notices that her kids are 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.000 nowhere to be found. But again, the urgency just isn't 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:39.720 quite there. 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.800 To be fair, the urgency is there for the kids. 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.480 Sometimes I'm wondering if that was like just to make 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.040 it the whole predicament a little less scary to the 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.520 audience of like they're not constantly saying we're going to die, 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.800 We're going to die, We're going to die because that's scary, 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.920 but there's only a couple moments it's where you're like, oh, 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.880 this is this is really serious to them, they're very 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.720 convinced this is going to be fine by five pm. 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:07.960 Right. 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.959 Also, so is the score, so is the music composition. 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:17.680 It's very like it's giving you know, home alone. It's 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:22.880 very much like comedy. It's really uplifting. We are so 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.120 assured when this happens that there will be a happy ending. 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.600 And I do want to say on the parents' negligent 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.600 parents or like them not really caring. This is the 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.240 beauty of the nineteen eighties that I really want the 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:41.440 audience to understand. In the nineteen eighties, in the suburbs, 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.520 you get on your bike with the neighborhood kids and 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:49.800 you fucking you're from morning till sundown. You're out and 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.320 about no care in the world. The parents couldn't be happy. 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.280 Or you're out of the house, get the hell out 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:58.000 of here. You you have a day off from school, 0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:59.959 get out of here. It was just like playing out 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:04.760 outside doing kids stuff. I feel like our current culture, 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:09.400 like our streets are too dangerous to do that. Now 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.960 you can't you can't do it as much. 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:13.800 And it's and it's also depressing because I feel like 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:18.280 the internet has become a version of being left loose, 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.440 but not in a way that seems quite as enriching 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.640 or fun, so really depressing. 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.320 Yeah, they weren't scrolling, they weren't busy on the computer 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.320 at home. They you know, these kids are like we 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.160 go to the mall when we want to have a 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:33.480 good time, when we want to hang out. 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.640 That's such a good point, Like I don't know this, 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.840 this movie's attitude towards missing children is very interesting, and 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.600 they and they kind of call out one of the 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:46.360 factors that like was very influential, regardless of like how 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.840 true it was of like last key Kid culture going Away, 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.760 which was Milk Curtain Kids, where I think it's like 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.040 the mean little brother that's like I help you end 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.440 up on a milk carton and I was like, yeah, 0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:01.120 you need you need an aunt to your life, my boy. 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.760 I do think it's also part and parcel not to 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.640 like break into the plot Caitlin and talk about like 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.320 the context. But we're in the nineteen eighties, we're kind 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:16.640 of like post space race, like Cold War Reagan into Clinton, 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:22.360 Like we're still in this era of we are the 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:27.320 leaders in space travel, in space exploration, and you know 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:31.760 we beat the Russians ass and we are like top 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.160 of our game scientifically, like the STEM is popping off 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:39.000 in the States and elsewhere. But it's like the political 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:46.959 foundations behind all of that is this Reagan era family values. 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.520 You know, it's ten pm, do you know where your 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.360 kids are? Commercials are coming on TV. You know it's 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:59.480 like like like Barbara Bush kind of like education, family values, 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:03.560 parents involved. You know, like it's just like this toxic 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.880 culture of like moving from latch key to like it's 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.840 a response to our need to have two parents in 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:12.960 the working. 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:17.400 World, nuclear family, yes, yes, yeah, which I do feel 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.880 like there's like a vibe to this movie that feels 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:25.480 not like, Okay, the mother should quit her job, but 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.520 it's like, well, if she's going to have a job, 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.120 she's going to have to emotionally compromise severely yea, to 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.880 like cohere to what the expectation is. 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:34.880 Yeah. 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.440 Yeah, this is a rich text, a rich text text, 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:39.280 so rich. 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:44.200 And then there are bees, not the bees, not the bees, 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:51.120 these come and they are swarming around and somehow Russ 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.800 and Nick end up on a bee and the bees 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:58.480 flying them all over the yard. Wayne is trying to 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.680 swat at the bee with a baseball bat, and then 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.520 he looks down. He's like, wait a minute, why do 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:08.000 I have a baseball bat? My son doesn't play baseball. 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.560 And then he sees the shattered attic window. He goes upstairs. 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.640 He finds the shrunken armchair in the shrunken couch in 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.680 the attic, and he puts two and two together and 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:24.759 realizes that the machine does work, and it shrunk all 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:25.480 the kids. 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.239 It was really fun. Now that we all have knowledge 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.479 of more knowledge of production than when we last saw 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.839 this movie, I'm assuming of like, what a lightlift this 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.520 movie is for all of the adults versus the children. Truly, 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:45.400 children are like wet and in combat. The whole movie. 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:49.040 They had those kids doing their own stunts. It was 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.760 I'm telling you, and I just linked in the chat. 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:53.879 I just linked the part one of the making up 0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.799 because it is on YouTube. But yeah, the way that 0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.120 they put these kids through the damn Disney ringer, it 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:01.359 was like, it. 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.600 Is so funny, being like, oh, and then we cut 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:07.759 to a shot that we know now is just Rick 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:13.040 moranis sweeping something up into a little dust pan. That's 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.719 an easy day at worked for Rick moranis Meanwhile, the 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:21.279 children are soaking and they have to go to school anyways. Yeah, 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:22.240 blew my mind. 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.480 Yes, I also do want to say I think that 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.440 my my, my whole like theme on this episode is 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.400 going to be like nineteen eighties and like the ethos 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:36.160 of the eighties. But Rick moranis a scientist, a physicist, 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.319 or you know, like, yeah, I assume he's a physicist, 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.120 a very intense scientist. Swinging a bat at a bee, 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.560 swinging a baseball bat at a bee. You know, in 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.919 the eighties, we weren't worried about the honey bees disappearing. 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:53.800 True, we weren't. 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.480 We weren't concerned about the extinction of the bees. 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:57.800 Nope, it's true. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.960 No, yeah, we were swinging back. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.600 That's the truly a scientist trying to kill a bee 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.719 could never I did. 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:11.400 I did appreciate the this movie's commitment to YadA YadA science. 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.279 Oh yeah, they don't even try to give us an 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.600 explanation of how this shit works. It's like computer, computer, molecule. 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:21.280 Now they're shrunk. 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.719 Yeah, I mean, it's the same junk science that like 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.120 Back to the Future is based on like the eighties 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:32.080 movies were just like let's just say some words and 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.800 then that's the movie. 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:35.799 It's kind of fun because it's like I know that, 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.880 like whatever the famous example is, like after Jurassic Park, 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.680 children's interests in palaeontology went through the roof. I'm guessing 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.040 this movie. Maybe I'd be curious. Did this movie move 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.160 the needle for physics? I don't think there's enough info 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.760 there to be like when I grow up, I want 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:56.520 to shrink? Yeah, what is what is the itch being scratched? 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.680 I don't think maybe it moved the needle very much. 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.560 Yeah, because it didn't pause like an exist I mean, 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:07.759 you know, Jurassic Park had such a deeper thematic message, 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:12.359 like the the morality of science, but the uh, this 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.759 was just like guess what, we shrunk our kids and 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.200 the neighbor's kids, and uh, it's actually pretty rad. 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.000 So yeah, like what a shrink. 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.880 They actually sort of had some fun while they were shrunken, 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:28.960 and they someone even kissed. 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:35.440 The kids fell in love. They fell offunk, so bizarre. 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.120 There's a very specific line I'm excited to get to 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:41.040 with regards to the kids being shrunk and falling in 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.720 love just this movie. 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.600 Oh baby, yeah. 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:49.040 Wait, okay, So Wayne has figured out that his machine 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.640 shrunk these four children, so he starts freaking out, remembering 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:58.759 that he was stomping around sweeping the floor. He realizes 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:03.160 he probably threw his tiny children in the trash and 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.920 that they're probably somewhere in the yard now, so he 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:12.799 starts searching the yard for the kids. Meanwhile, Russ and 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:19.000 Nick tumble off the bumble the bean. Thank you, thank you, 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:24.120 I just improve that on the spot huge. They tumble 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.480 back into the yard, but now they are separated from 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.960 Amy and Ron, who are not getting along because Ron 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.320 hates girls. He has some sexism that he's going to 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:40.120 have to overcome throughout the story, which he does sort 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:41.080 of kind of. 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.360 Goes through Amy's grace. 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.600 The arcs for these children are so weird. 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:50.120 It's true. I really thought, like even by like eighty standards, 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.400 I was like, the Aunt's gonna be a girl. The 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.440 Aunt's going to be a girl. And that's how he's 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.759 gonna learn how to respect women is by meeting a 0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:02.840 woman aunt. I think big opportunity that an ant cured 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.479 his misogyny. It would have worked, It would have worked, 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:07.799 but they didn't do it? 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:12.640 They did not. Oh anyway, so Wayne, who is now 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.319 on a pair of stilts searching for the children, Because 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.720 I'm guessing the logic here is that the surface area 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.960 of like the bottom of the stilt that would be 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:27.359 on the grass is smaller than a human foot, but 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.719 a stilt could still easily crush the children. So I 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:30.799 don't know what the. 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.560 Rules of when he is trying to not squish the 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.719 kids versus when he isn't. There are a few times 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.040 where he kind of clumps into the yard and you're like, well. 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.880 Fully tumbles off. They both tumble off. They like squat 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.279 the way that the entire movie. I was like, can 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:53.879 you imagine if Rick moranis just he beats the shit 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.520 out of his machine and then he goes over to sweep. 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.920 He realizes just then and there, oh my god, I 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.879 shrunk the kids. He lifts up his shoe and there 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.520 are just like four squished children on the bottom of 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.640 his shoe. Can you This. 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:12.279 Is a story of a deeply traumatized father and like. 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.400 Does he tell? Does he tell the wife? Does he 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:15.160 tell the neighbors? 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.520 Because he could probably pretty easily get rid of the evidence. 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.520 Yeah, that's like a sun Dance movie. 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:26.000 Honey, I shrunk the kids and then I murdered them 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:27.200 on accident. 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.920 And then I didn't tell anyone. Wait, where's that movie? 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.759 And I'm living with the grief and guilt for the 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:33.680 rest of my days. 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.200 That's kind of awesome, as maybe that was going to 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:39.439 be the reboot, like. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:44.400 A villain Ogers Georgian story. Honey, I can't stop shrinking 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:45.719 kids and then stepping up. 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:55.400 Whoa, Well, maybe we'll see that one day. In the meantime, 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.640 that's what Rick moranis is going to come out of retirement. 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:03.960 Oh God, just kidding Spaceballs too yesterday? Yes, yeah, maybe 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:09.200 I'll cover Spaceballs for my birthday this year. Anyway, Okay, Wayne, 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:13.520 he's on the stilts. He accidentally turns the sprinklers on 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.800 because he's like falling all over the place on the stilts. 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.680 So now these enormous drops of water start raining down 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.520 around the kids, which the practical effects here are pretty fun. 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.840 But also the water is very like viscous. 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:32.680 It's gooey, it's pretty thick water, it's thick. I was 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:34.520 just sort of like, I guess that's what water was 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.600 like in nineteen eighty nine. Maybe they were just putting 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.400 corn syrup into the water back then. I don't know. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.279 Yeah, I bet the making up tells us the water, 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.160 the sequence and how they sort of did the water 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.399 special effects. But I think what they were going for 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:52.640 was optimizing it for splash content, Like they really needed 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.799 it to be heavy water so it could be like, yeah, 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.759 you know, gloopy, gloppy. And then it turns sort of 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.880 into quote unquote munth, which I was like, no, that 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.280 looks like sewage. 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.680 It's pretty gross what it turns into. I was kind 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:14.200 of shocked, especially because that's the source of the first 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.480 quote unquote romantic moment in the movie. That's where the 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:21.960 French comes from. The children are ostensibly covered in shit 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:25.040 like it's it's wild. 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.239 Yeah, so what happens here and we'll talk more about 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.839 it later, but the water is sprinkling down on them. 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:37.080 Amy falls into a puddle and Russ has to save 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:40.759 her and gives her mouth to mouth and then she 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.399 wakes up and she's like, wow, thanks, that was amazing. 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.640 It's this very emotional moment. 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:47.280 Yeah. 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.239 And then there's a joke that is set up that 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.640 takes a full forty five minutes to pay off, which 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:52.680 I was pretty impressed. 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.520 Right, yeah, the whole friend, Oh where did you learn 0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.479 how to do mouth to mouth French class? But Nick 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.120 is too young to understand what that means at first, 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:04.800 and he went sort. 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.160 Of his arc at the end. He's traumatized from the shrinking. 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.160 But but what French French kissing is? 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:17.080 Yeah? Okay. So the four kids continue onward toward the house. 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:21.920 They come upon a discarded oatmeal cream pie cookie and 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:22.719 start eating it. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:28.480 Great product placement, Yeah, great product placement. I was genuinely impressed, truly. 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.600 The best product placement. The only product placement in the 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.879 whole movie. I think, well, there's Lego, that's right, leg 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.880 But there is like the slamming of the oatmeal pie 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:44.239 the little debbies right on the counter by oh baby mcmranis. 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.960 Oh my god, Yeah it's great. 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.239 And I love those shits. Oh my god. I was like, 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.120 good choice of something to eat because I loved those 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:52.640 as a kid. 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.239 They still hit they're like if recently because I keep 0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.520 up with these things. Uh, they they recently have been 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.640 putting them into like ice cream flavors, and. 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.240 I, oh my god. 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:09.160 Highly recommend the oatmeal cream pie ice cream. It is 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.080 so they're doing it for all of them, but like 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:15.000 the Oatmeal Cream Pie one is uh yeah. My fiance 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.440 and I've been trying them one by one and so 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.960 far the feedback is Oatmeal cream Pie takes it. 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.080 It's so good. Whoa they're at the grocery store. 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.239 My mind is blown all of a sudden, because I 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.919 also remember in the Oatmeal Cream Pie when they find 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:30.239 a cookie on the ground in the movie and they're like, 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:34.960 let's go fucking crazy. I was like, goals, dude, I 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.880 got Can you imagine being a kid on set and 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:41.560 being like, okay, now just dive into this giant whipped 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.280 cream wall and go ham. 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:45.120 Yeah. 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.440 I was just truly stunned. 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.480 It is amazing how many like set pieces they do 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.120 with the kids, and how like how well they do 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.759 like the scariest thing you can imagine and then the 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.719 coolest thing you can imagine, back to back to back 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:01.880 to back. It's so cool. 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:05.120 Well, and they make the scary things cool too, you know. 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.520 It's like, yeah, it's all so cool to me as 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.880 an eight year old, I was like, this is my dream. 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.640 I've didn't wrap it up well. 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:19.799 This especially this part reminded me of there's a Matt 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:21.719 Damon movie, and I just had to look up what 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.799 it was called, because I forget and I've never seen it, 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:28.080 but a twenty seventeen movie called Downsizing, And I think 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.560 the premise of this movie is that in order to 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:38.200 make resources such as food go farther and last longer, 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:43.600 people can opt to downsize themselves, shrink themselves so that 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:47.400 the cost of living is much less. Because when you're tiny, 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.879 an oatmeal cream pie cookie is enormous and that could 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:53.960 last you years. 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:58.200 Yeah, if you figure out how to protect it from ants, right. 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.600 Right, And so I was like, hu, there, maybe there 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.360 is something to this. Maybe we need to all shrink 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.680 in order to get the most out of our resources, 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:15.040 which we are wasting and exploiting by and large. Anyway, 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:16.080 I don't. 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:19.520 Think that this movie is really operating on that level. No, No, 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:20.799 it would be wild if it were. 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:21.160 Though. 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.279 I think it's presenting a counterpoint, which is, let's just 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:29.480 all invest in little debbies. It lasts forever. Even if 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:34.080 it's a flake, a chunk of little debbies in the grass, 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.960 you can still eat it and it's fresh as day one. 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.640 I will say it did get me. I was hungry 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.879 for one the same way that every time I watch ET, 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:43.880 I'm like, you know what, I could go for some 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:44.640 RECs PCs. 0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:48.880 Right. That shit works on me, it does. 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.960 It does. If one of my little treats appears in 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.040 a movie, I'm like, pause, I have to go. 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.400 I have to go, and that's on my eating disorder. 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.360 But that's time we watch movies at home, so we 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.960 can pause, fulfill the product placement thirty full years later, 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.600 and then return make a. 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:17.040 Vaughn's Instacart order for little debbies, which is probably the 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:18.200 only store that has them. 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:21.239 Yeah, oh well that's where that is where you get 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.040 the ice cream, I can say for sure. 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.680 And then the Instacart employees like, someone's watching honey shrunk 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:27.319 the kids again? 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.520 Oh the honey, iye shrunk the kid's special. 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.400 Got in cheerios because oh that's the other product, ceios. 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:43.399 It's true. Yeah anyway, So, yes, the cookie has attracted 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:48.279 an ant but it's a nice aunt and the kids befriended. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.840 I think Ron names it either Andy or Antie. I 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.359 think they were calling it both things. I couldn't get 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:56.319 a handle on its name. 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.319 There's a lot of adr with the kids, but in 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.480 their defense, they were soaking wet children. 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:05.440 They probably had hypothermia the whole shoot. Yeah. Anyway, so 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.640 they ride the ant part of the way back to 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.360 the house because they're like, wow, antswer fast and strong 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:17.600 and we can take advantage of that. Meanwhile, Wayne confesses 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:24.520 to his wife Diane that honey, I shrunk the kids, 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:30.240 and she faints because women be fainting, but she regains 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:34.440 consciousness and then starts helping Wayne scour the yard for 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:38.920 the kids, but it has gotten dark outside and searching 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:43.000 for them is much harder. The kids use a cigarette 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.680 that Russell Senior has flicked into the yard to light 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.240 some torches so that they can see where they're going. 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:57.719 Then Wayne gets to work on repairing the shrinking machine 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:02.000 so that he can return the children to their normal 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.359 size if they ever find them. He has a moment 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.120 where he's like, oh, this is all my fault. I 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.640 was so focused on my machine that I forgot to 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.840 be a father, And Diane is like, oh, well, it 0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.360 doesn't matter what our jobs are. We just have to 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:20.080 get this family back together. 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:22.960 We'll get into that because this is like, I think, 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:26.960 a variation on arriving at this conclusion that I haven't 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:32.960 seen where he does apologize, but she's like, no, no. 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:33.480 You don't apologize. 0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.880 Yeah, and you're like, because I was fully expecting the classic, 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:42.040 which is no acknowledgmental fault and no apology. But he 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:46.480 does acknowledge fault. And she's like, whatever, we'll circle back 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.319 to that, which would have made sense for me if 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:53.640 she was like, we need to focus on unshrinking the kids, 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:56.840 but that's not what she says. We need to focus 0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:01.960 on not getting divorced. That scene, I don't know what 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.760 time it's supposed to take place at, but it feels 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.560 like seven thirty. I'm like, keep looking at you guys. 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:11.040 Yeah, they are truly just taking their sweet fucking time. 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.000 I mean, at one point, Rick Morana's like falls asleep. 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.000 He's just like I'm so exhausted from looking that. I 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:18.840 just I have to take a nap at my computer, 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.160 and it's like, wake, wake up, bitch. 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.640 That scene is so funny because then she walks upstairs 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:27.919 looks at her husband, who has fallen asleep after three 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.319 minutes of searching, and she says, I love you, and 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:32.879 you're like what, just. 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:34.480 I love you, Wayne Zelenski. 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.680 Maybe you deserve each other. I don't know. 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:42.040 I would be like, get your fucking ass up. Are 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:45.200 you serious right now? You have time to nap? 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:49.319 Ugh, yeah, I would have. I mean that's maybe where 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.359 the baseball bat comes in. I just like, get up, 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:57.480 may be napping me napping, man be taken a little 0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.280 dybe napping on the job. 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:06.600 Anyway, So the parents also tell the neighbor parents about 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:12.920 the shrinking machine, but Russell is like, I don't believe you, 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:18.680 you weirdo. Back in the yard, the kids set up 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:23.440 camp in one of Nick's discarded legos, and this is 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:27.359 when Amy and Russ they're really vibing and then they 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:32.000 kiss on the lips, but they're interrupted when a giant 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:39.200 scorpion shows up and starts terrorizing them. But Ron's aunt 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:44.839 friend Auntie or Andy whatever its name is, helps them 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:49.880 fight off the scorpion, but it gets injured and passes away. 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.760 It's so sad. I was really struck by how sad 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:56.200 I was. 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:01.120 I mean, the war between the score and the ant 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:08.160 was so epic because I think you're dealing with close up. 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.560 Here's what I know. They definitely used like a bull 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:16.160 riding machine with an ant paper mache some kind of 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:21.200 ants attached to it. Okay, so we know that that 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:25.520 is the thing. And then the Scorpion is never irl like, 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.319 it's never like a practical effect. The scorpion is sort 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:32.759 of a slimy looking Did you either of you ever 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:38.600 watched the old like nineteen sixties or seventies Clash of 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:45.400 the Titans with like claymation Odyssey care like beasts and 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:49.280 stuff like the Kracken is cool, It's like stop motion, 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:54.640 which is what this Scorpion is. It's like a stop motion, large, 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:59.000 slimy looking model. And to me it looked like Clash 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:02.920 of the Titans, old clamation stop motion Clash of the Titans, 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:07.920 And I was like, this is such a stupid bad 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:14.200 mix of effects, practical, CG, stop motion. It's like they 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:19.040 are using green screens. They're literally throwing every tech both 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:22.200 fold and new at this movie at the same time 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:25.600 and trying to make it work. And I want to say, 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.920 like fifty percent of it looks like the kids are 0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:34.160 just tramping back and forth through a giant hangar like 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:39.080 Stage eleven on the Warner lat you know, it's like, yeah, 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:42.120 it's giving a hangar decorated hanger. 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:42.880 Yeah. 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.680 And I've learned in that in the fight between the 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.879 Scorpion and the ant I went straight to the IMDb 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:53.600 into the art department and learned that the art department 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:57.520 person who like was the head of the art department 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:00.160 also worked on Critters. 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:03.640 Interesting, Okay, what a wild movie that one is. 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:09.280 Why You're So Weird another eighties classic but very weird, 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.440 and it's called Critters, And I was like, of course 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.200 they got the Critters person for all these Critters. 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:19.360 Obviously, this does feel like a lot of like, especially 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.799 now knowing what Joe Johnston's background was and that this 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.200 was his first movie he directed, You're like, oh, he's 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.680 very much like both playing to his strengths and also 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:30.560 it just seems like he's taking advantage of having a 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.440 budget to be like Big Aunt. What do we think 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:34.959 about Big Aunt? Yeah? 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:38.960 Yeah, but no, the visual dissonance between all the different 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:43.680 types of effects in this sequence is really kind of disturbing. 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:45.200 Yeah yeah. 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:49.759 And also disturbing is the ant dying. And if that 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:55.200 wasn't enough, the next morning, this neighborhood kid named Tommy 0:54:55.440 --> 0:55:00.880 comes over to mow the Selensky's lawn, which means that 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:05.279 the kids might get mangled in the lawnmower. 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:06.440 Terrifying. 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:12.080 It's so scary they almost do get mangled, but they 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.320 somehow managed to avoid it, and then Wayne and Diane 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:20.600 run out of the house to stop Tommy from mowing 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:22.160 the lawn. The rest of the lawn. 0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:27.200 They've like awoken from their nightly slumber. They're peaceful sleep. 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:32.120 They've gotten twelve hours so wild. 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:35.439 Yeah, they got all their rem cycles up. She went 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.399 to yoga like they've had a full day. 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:42.280 And then they spend two more seconds searching for the kids. 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.799 They don't find them, so then Wayne goes inside to 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:51.400 have his casual cheerios breakfast. But luckily, the family dog 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:56.440 named Cork approaches the kids and he's sniffing around, and 0:55:56.480 --> 0:56:00.479 so the kids all grab onto his fur and hitch 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.960 a ride into the house. Cork jumps up on the 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:08.920 table where Wayne is eating his casual cheerio breakfast, and 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:12.920 then Nick falls into the bowl of cheerios, which of 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:15.840 course Wayne does not notice because Nick is so small, 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:20.440 and he almost eats Nick several times until he finally 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.560 notices all of the kids, and then again his reaction 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:27.959 is just like, wow, I found the kids, honey. That's 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:28.560 pretty cool. 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.359 Honey, I found the kids. And she's like. 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:34.399 Wow, wow, nice awsome, good job. 0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:40.840 Interesting, Yes, and so Wayne goes up to the attic 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.120 turns on the machine, but he can't get it to 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:47.000 work again. But with the help of the kids and 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.200 especially Nick, because Nick has figured out that the baseball 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:54.720 is a key component for this machine to work. How 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.640 I don't have any fucking idea, but the baseball is necessary, 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:02.280 they get the machine to work. They tested on Russell Senior, 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:08.800 and then they enlarge all the kids to their regular size. 0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.400 Even though there's like a very like inserted, weird like 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:16.080 last minute obstacle where we're supposed to think the neighbor 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.560 is brave or something and he's like, no, I'll do it, 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.280 and you're like, oh, yeah, yes, that's not what this 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:23.200 character would do. 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.880 No, Like I was an asshole. 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.280 Yeah, Like there was nothing to suggest that he would 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.800 have changed that way. I also think that like I 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.080 don't know, like I think that he that Rick moranis 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:38.960 would be like in custody, if if the neighbor had 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.080 like he's taking the first opportunity possible to be like 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.840 get this guy out, but no, instead he goes on 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:51.600 a journey of the soul ye off screen and comes 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:52.960 back courageous. 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.280 Yes, he's like you know what actually I'm not a 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.960 weird asshole. I love my life, I love my wife, 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.320 and I do kind of love my kids. So you 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.880 know what, shrink me, Rick Moran, shrink. 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:10.560 I know that statistically I'm about to blow up, but yeah, 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:11.240 all good. 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:15.480 But I'm brave and I've learned that my son doesn't 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:19.479 need to play football in order for me to love him, right, And. 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:20.920 I've learned this off screen. 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:28.080 Yes, And so the parents reunite with and embrace their kids, 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:33.560 and then the two sets of neighbors become best friends, 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.440 and the movie ends with them eating a giant turkey 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:42.040 together because apparently Wayne uses his machine to enlarge food 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.560 so there's more to go around. And then the final 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:51.160 beat is Nick finally understanding what French kissing is. 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:53.000 What are they eating? 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:54.240 I think it's a turkey. 0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:56.240 Oh okay, for a second, I thought it was an aunt. 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.400 And I was like, that is ghoulish. 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:03.320 Because it looks the skin of the same looks like 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:06.240 the skin of the turkey, and the skin and also 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:09.320 the skin of the scorpion. It all looks like shiny, 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:12.480 like window leathery meat. 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:15.560 So I wasn't being like out of my because I 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.800 was like, it looks like they're eating an ant and 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:21.640 I was like, Ron's right there, He's that's his best friend. 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:29.240 One. They're like, yeah, this ant is good. Ron yum yum. 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:32.160 Anti and or Andy tastes so yummy. 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:37.320 Yeah. Meanwhile, Ron is like so traumatized. He's in like 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:41.680 therapy three times a week. He is a vegan. Now 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:46.360 he like can't handle going to school. Yeah, his whole 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:48.040 life has completely changed. 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:49.360 He's unraveled. 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:51.880 Yeah. Yeah, and he's like, oh great, now our parents 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:54.680 are friends. I'm never gonna forget about this as long as. 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:59.880 I Anyway, that's the movie, So let's take another quick break. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:13.000 I will come back to discuss, and we're back. 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:15.600 I mean, I for one, was not able to contain 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.280 myself for much of the much of the recap. There's 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.240 a lot of table seting we've done already, but I mean, 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.040 this movie is was a lot of what I expected 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:27.560 and some of what I didn't like. 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:28.160 We have. 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:33.600 Like mom dot jpeg and teen daughter dot jpeg. Here. 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:38.520 All the women that we see or have like any 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:44.120 narrative meaning to the plot are white blonde women who are, 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:48.080 if they're adult women, pretty deferential to their husbands, even 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.640 if they get a sassy one linery in here and there. 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.200 But there were moments where I was like, oh, that 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:57.600 could be something, and then it just doesn't turn into something. 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.320 For example, it seems like Diane, who we learn what 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:06.040 her job is. She's a real estate agent, which it. 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:09.000 Does seem like she is like the breadwinner of the family, 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:10.080 or it does seem like. 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:13.840 That, right, Yeah, she's holding everything together Diane. Without Diane, 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:17.600 this family is in shambles, truly suffering. 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:19.120 Yes, yes, I. 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:21.400 Mean she leaves for it seems like twelve hours and 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:22.720 the house is a disaster. 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:28.800 Yes, the way domestic labor exists in this household, in 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:32.360 this world. So, like you were saying, Jamie, there's a 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:34.400 lot of what you would expect from this movie. There's 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:38.520 a lot of like very traditional gender roles present here. 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:41.440 There are slight subversions here or there, but for the 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:46.040 most part, it is like men equals this, women equals this. 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:49.840 And we see this in the way domestic labor is 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:56.480 distributed and done. Where again, Wayne stays home. He seems 1:01:56.520 --> 1:02:00.200 to have lost his job or quit it or something, 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:04.200 but the work that he is doing is building this 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:08.800 machine in the attic, while his wife Diane goes out 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:13.600 into the world and works there. And you might think 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:16.040 that because Wayne is home, he would be doing some 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:19.919 of the domestic labor, but that does not happen. He 1:02:20.120 --> 1:02:24.040 has his daughter clean the house. She also cooks breakfast. 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:29.760 He also delegates mowing the lawn to his son Nick, 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:35.000 So again there's very like gendered lawn work and landscaping 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:37.920 and that kind of stuff. Outside work is for boys, 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:42.640 and inside work like cleaning and cooking is for girls. Also, 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:47.240 Nick doesn't even mow the lawn. He delegates it to 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:49.920 some other kid, and not that anyone would have to 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:53.720 do anything anyway, because the lawnmower is remote controlled. So 1:02:53.800 --> 1:03:00.800 basically Nick does no chores. Meanwhile, Amy is cooking, she's cleaning, 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:01.400 She's not doing it. 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:03.439 When we cut to the house, I mean we see 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:05.640 her dancing, which I thought was like a kind of 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:09.760 direct ripoff of that sequence from Adventures and babysitting. Oh. 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.440 I was also getting a lot of don't tell mom 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:13.320 the babysitter's dad. 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:16.560 But yes, oh my gosh, yes, yeah, this is a 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.600 very eighties thing for a blonde teenager to be doing. 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:23.280 But you know, even though you know she she plays 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:25.800 hard and she works hard, because cut to the house, 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:29.360 it is clean. She has executed the task. Because by 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:31.439 the time the mom gets home, I think she even 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:33.000 like comments on oh. 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.320 Wow, No, it's the opposite because it. 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:36.240 Got dirty again. 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:39.080 Oh because the daughter left the house for a second. 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:41.320 Yeah, she got shrunk. 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:42.920 She got shrunk, and. 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:45.840 She didn't do her duties before she got shrunk. So 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:48.680 it was a fucking mess. And the mom comes home 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:54.040 and he's like, oh, you know, Amy was supposed to 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:57.080 finish the housework. And the mom looks around like, great, 1:03:57.680 --> 1:04:01.400 nothing's fucking finished. My ment. He load of that capacity. 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.840 I should be spending the afternoon celebrating that I just 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:09.440 sold a house, but instead I have to deal with 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:13.640 this man's bullshit who let our kids go missing, and 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:15.880 nobody knows how to clean this place. 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:21.919 No, but Nick does vacuum the yard. He doesn't mow 1:04:22.000 --> 1:04:26.560 the lawn, but he does have this like handheld vacuum. 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:31.400 It's an invention. Carry sorry, sorry. 1:04:31.200 --> 1:04:35.919 Boy, and stem default setting this. 1:04:35.920 --> 1:04:40.600 This movie is so ripe for the classic Rube Goldberg 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:44.760 breakfast machine, which we see in so many movies. This 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:45.600 is not here. 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:48.800 I was so ready for it. I was so ready 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:55.520 for it because he's like faxing the children from the attic. Yeah, 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:57.280 like I I was, I was like, whoa, is this 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:00.360 a breakfast machine? We haven't covered but but it it isn't. 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.560 He's still It's like, at this point it's almost sadistic 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:07.040 that he's making his daughter, who doesn't know how to cook. 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:09.880 It burns everything to a crisp. 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:12.320 And then they make fun of her for not knowing 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:15.840 how to cook, and you're like, this is a twisted 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:19.200 I think that. Like, honestly, with with the women in 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:23.680 this movie, it's there's pretty like rigid gender dynamic set up, 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:27.080 but it's more like the non reactions to things that 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:31.160 are weird to me, especially on Diane's end, but also 1:05:31.360 --> 1:05:34.520 on like it feels like the gender performance are like 1:05:34.800 --> 1:05:37.960 fitting the role is more important than what's happening in 1:05:38.000 --> 1:05:40.480 the plot, because even after they get shrunk, Amy's just 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:43.360 like I have to get to the mall to see 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:47.160 my boyfriend, and you're like, yeah, you're gonna die. You're 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:49.240 gonna die. Your dad's gonna step on you, and you're 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:49.920 gonna die. 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.400 Her big goal in life is to get asked to 1:05:52.440 --> 1:05:56.600 the dance, and that's all she fucking cares about. And 1:05:56.640 --> 1:06:01.040 it's like, girl, your life is in pair role the steaks, 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:07.760 you're gonna get stepped on by your father's crutch, which. 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:09.520 Would hurt worse than a foot, I'm sure. 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:12.680 Yeah, at least with the foot you have ridges you 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:16.520 can don't in the ridge then the crutch is going straight. 1:06:17.600 --> 1:06:19.960 It's like when a cat steps on your boob. 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:24.440 Yes, oh my god, yes, oh yeah, well I could 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:28.240 feel that. I felt that. Yeah, it's I don't know, 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:31.560 it's it's very weird what she doesn't react to. And 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.360 we'll get to like where she ends up, because it 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:37.360 just feels like another very sort of eighties like the 1:06:37.440 --> 1:06:42.600 popular girl should be dating the dork who who leers 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:43.840 in her eyes. 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.160 Oh my god. Remember the point when they are in 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:50.240 the lego and they're about to kiss and he goes, 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:54.200 she goes, why haven't you ever come over and say? Said? 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:58.000 She says to the neighbor Russ Junior. Right, She goes, 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:00.800 why haven't you ever come over before, like stopped over? 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:03.600 And he's like, I don't know, you just seem like 1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:08.640 you're too popular to notice me. And she goes, I 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:13.480 am too popular and I can't believe I haven't noticed you. 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:14.920 And then they go in for o cast she like 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:15.760 admit she's like. 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:17.720 It's true, I do think I'm too good for you. 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:19.640 I am so popular. 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:22.640 Anyway, want to make out, But then she negs herself. 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:24.760 She says I was too popular to notice. 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:25.520 I was stupid. 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:26.320 I was stupid. 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:30.800 And then she kisses him, and You're like, no, you weren't, Amy, 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:34.240 You're you're big, forced you're you're doing a lot of labor, 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:37.880 you know, Like I just wish that I knew a 1:07:37.920 --> 1:07:41.320 single interest of yours. But other than that, you're doing great. 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:45.040 Girl. Girl. You're a lesbian. We are it's giving lesbian 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:47.480 Amy kiss. 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:51.160 A girl I would love. And then of course I 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:53.720 mean this movie weirdly. Okay, So this is one of 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:56.560 the things where I'm like, I don't really understand what's 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:59.000 going on here, because, as we talk about on the 1:07:59.000 --> 1:08:01.920 Bechdel Cast constantly, ninety percent of movies are about fathers 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:05.280 and sons. Some are good, some are not. This movie 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:07.120 is about fathers and sons. But I feel like it's 1:08:07.120 --> 1:08:10.400 more like The Neighbor, about the neighbor and his eldest 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:13.240 son than it is about Rick Morana's and his kid. 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:16.639 Like there is a like, oh, he's also interested in science, 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:20.519 but like there's not really a tension between it. See 1:08:20.520 --> 1:08:23.679 it Like the tension is very much between Max's headroom 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:25.800 and his son, which just feels weird. You're like, who 1:08:25.880 --> 1:08:27.519 is the protagonist of this movie? 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.280 Well, the movie does start to try to set up 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:37.200 something between Wayne and his son Nick, where Nick comes 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:41.440 upstairs He's like, look, Dad, I made a miniature replica 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:45.000 of your machine. Wanna help me with it? Or wanna 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:50.320 play or da And Wayne is like, no, I'm too busy, 1:08:51.040 --> 1:08:54.440 shrink building a machine that's gonna commit war crimes probably, 1:08:55.160 --> 1:09:00.639 so go away. And Nick hangs his head. Oh okay, 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:04.840 so you later, Dad, And that seems like it's setting 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:08.679 up that classic you know, the Santa Claus dynamic where 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:10.439 the dad is too busy for the sun and the 1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:13.200 dad has to realize he needs to do something to 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.320 reconnect with his kids and be there and be present 1:09:16.320 --> 1:09:17.080 blah blah blah blah. 1:09:17.120 --> 1:09:19.400 And by his kids we do mean his son, his 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:22.439 son specifically, right exactly while his daughter cleans the house. 1:09:22.600 --> 1:09:25.800 Yeah, but then that gets dropped and that arc that 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:27.839 they're trying to set up goes nowhere. 1:09:28.160 --> 1:09:31.080 I'm wondering how much it was rewritten, because you're just like, yeah, 1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:33.160 that was set up and then never paid off. What 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:35.599 is for sure as this movie is not about mothers 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:39.679 and daughters, because it is, I mean, you get again, 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:42.320 there's some like I think, if you really wanted to 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:44.120 go to bat for this movie, you could maybe say 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:47.360 there's barely passes when they greet each other on the phone, 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:50.400 but it immediate. The subject immediately switches to so you're 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:52.880 meeting your boyfriend at the mall today, right, and she's like, yeah, 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.040 hope he invites me to the dance. The only other 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:58.559 conversation they have is at the end where she's like, 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:00.760 so you're not divorcing dad, right, and she's like, nope, 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:07.000 everything is fine. And then there's a third they're not talking, 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.080 but this is the line I was really excited to 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:13.799 get to, where Diane, they're going to bed right after sundown, 1:10:13.800 --> 1:10:16.200 even though the children are shrunk, and there's like there 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:18.880 could be coyotes in this neighborhood. But let's not think. 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.559 There's scorpions' there's other dangers. 1:10:21.680 --> 1:10:23.200 Let's not think about what could happen at night. We 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:25.640 need to get our beauty rest, right. They talk like 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:29.960 she's just had this conversation with Rick moranis where She's like, 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:33.120 we don't need to focus on you apologizing for the 1:10:33.160 --> 1:10:35.080 horrific thing you've done. We need to focus on not 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:37.880 getting divorced. And then the last thing she says as 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:41.759 a button to the scene is weirdly slut shavy towards 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:44.240 her daughter. She's like, what I'm mostly worried about is 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.439 Amy and that boy next door in the dark. They 1:10:47.640 --> 1:10:51.320 better not do anything better but drive, they better behave. 1:10:51.600 --> 1:10:54.920 She was like, so I'm like, look for her. Oh 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:57.439 my god, She's saying, shans her daughter, and then Sleep 1:10:57.560 --> 1:10:59.280 goes to bed for ten hours. Was this what the 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:00.559 eighties was like? Yes? 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:06.200 A million times. Yes. I was just looking at Amy's IMDb. 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:10.519 Her name is Amy Amy O'Neill, because I'm like, Also, 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:13.880 when I was watching last night, I was like, I 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:17.719 remember being really attracted to Amy, like as a character 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:22.240 and as an actor, Like I remember as a girl 1:11:22.479 --> 1:11:25.880 watching her and being like she is so cool and beautiful, 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:30.120 like nobody sees her. And then also like also being like, 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:33.240 this lady's a great actor, Like I hope she Like 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:35.320 even in my eight year old mind, I was like, 1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:37.360 I hope she has a career ahead of her. She's 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:42.760 she slays like, but I was I remember as a 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:45.040 kid being like she's gonna be the boss. Bit she's 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:49.280 obviously like an outdoorsy She's dressed like she's in Jurassic Park, 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:51.479 like this chick is going to take us all the way, 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:54.160 But she isn't really. She is kind of like the 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:57.799 leader of the pack, like the babysitter, but it doesn't 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:02.240 really go further than that. She isn't actually the powerhouse 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:05.200 hero of the kid groom like it ends up being 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:08.920 fucking kind of Russ Junior. Even though he's a douchebag 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:13.719 who literally says and does nothing, he saves her life. 1:12:13.760 --> 1:12:16.920 It's like, no, she would be the one who had 1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:20.000 to save everybody's ass in this situation. Not a single 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:21.800 one of these doors would know what to do. 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.200 No, But okay, can we talk about the scene where 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:28.519 she has to be saved because there's so much to 1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:32.880 unpack here. So it's already established that Russ has a 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.599 crush on Amy. We see him leering at her through 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:40.479 the window. He tells her about it then, and she's 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:44.040 visibly weirded out, like, oh, you could see me, you 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:46.760 were watching me dancing And he's like, I don't know, 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:52.400 shut up, then the kids get shrunk. They're going around together, 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:55.160 blah blah blah. This stuff happens. Then the rain drops 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:58.080 or the spring the water from the sprinkler starts raining 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:04.760 down on them. Amy she is knocked unconscious question mark. 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:09.240 Suddenly she's unconscious and has fallen into a puddle. 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:12.000 She doesn't know how to swim, doesn't know how to swim. 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:16.800 Why is she unconscious? What even happened there? I was 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:20.160 getting that idea of like, women and girls are so 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:25.360 delicate and fragile, they're always fainting and passing out. Yeah, 1:13:25.400 --> 1:13:31.000 but she is now drowning. Russ jumps into the very 1:13:31.120 --> 1:13:35.559 viscous water, pulls her out. She's still unconscious. He gives 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:39.839 her mouth to mouth, which revives her and now she's fine, 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:45.160 which like, great, if someone needs the life saving technique 1:13:45.160 --> 1:13:48.720 that is CPR, you should administer it to them. 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:51.960 But it's played it's plot CPR, and. 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:54.880 It's played as he didn't do that because he was 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:57.000 actually really trying to save her life. He did that 1:13:57.040 --> 1:14:01.080 because he wanted to kiss her parentheses while she was unconscious. 1:14:01.479 --> 1:14:03.800 And that's the whole running joke through the rest of 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:06.679 the movie where it's like he frenched her ha ha ha. 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:09.759 And you're like, I certainly hope he didn't use tongue 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:14.200 during CPR right praying. 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:18.679 But also when they do eventually kiss consensually, mm hmmm, 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:20.440 are they using tongue? 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:21.840 They are for sure? 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:25.639 I was like distney, whoa, And now I remember why 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:28.719 I was like so horned up about that one stupid kiss. 1:14:28.720 --> 1:14:31.720 I was just like, no, they're fully They're kissing like 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:34.840 middle schoolers who have never kissed in their life. There 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:38.679 is no passion. It is simply mechanics because they are 1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:42.040 having to They're having these children French kiss. 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:45.280 Correct, they're having the children French and we don't have 1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:46.360 to feel good about it. 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:47.040 We don't. 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:50.280 These they were all kids when this was I was like, 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:52.040 is there any chance that like one of them is 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:54.200 secretly twenty but they were all in fact kids. 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:54.839 Yeah. 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:57.439 When this was filmed, I don't know that it would 1:14:57.439 --> 1:15:00.960 go down like this now, but uh but there it 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:05.840 is plot CPR plot French. Uh. I agree. I think 1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:09.240 the Amy performance is like really like, I just wish 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:12.639 she had like more to her, but it's the movie 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:17.200 maybe to no whens surprise is written by two men, 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:19.519 you know, pushing forty so I don't think they really 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:23.960 had any insight on a girl of this age. No 1:15:24.080 --> 1:15:26.840 insight and perhaps no interest. We don't know, right well, 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:31.080 they're like, what do teen girls like? What do they do? 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:33.719 They like the mall, they like talking on the phone, 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:38.280 they like their crushes on their on boys, and nothing else. 1:15:38.479 --> 1:15:40.360 And it's the eighties, so they're like, we have to 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:45.720 make her realize that. Again. It just feels like in 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:49.080 these kinds of stories it's such creepy adult male writer 1:15:49.439 --> 1:15:53.400 total projection, where it's just like, ooh, she should have 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:56.840 ended up with me. I'm like, no, she shouldn't have door. 1:15:57.760 --> 1:15:59.560 I feel bad for whoever ended up with you. 1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:04.360 I'm that crazy ass mullet. The way that they're skating 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:11.160 on Russ Junior's like smoldering sort of mystery boy. I 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:13.559 wasn't fooled when I was a kid, and I said 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:17.720 to this day, I remember thinking, first of all, she 1:16:17.880 --> 1:16:20.559 is like ten years older than him. She's gotta be 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:24.360 He looks like a child, and she looks like kind 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:30.760 of a young woman. She also is miles beyond him intellectually, 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:35.320 so this is this is not a good match at all. 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:40.240 And also I say it again, Amy the character is gay. 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:42.920 And the way that they cast and they. 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:46.479 Dressed her inner lore, I mean she is where she's 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:49.799 wearing a lot of highwaisted babe, it's. 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:55.320 Giving hipsters in Bushwick. All of their costumes were hipster Bushwick, 1:16:56.120 --> 1:16:59.640 early days, Brooklyn gentrification. 1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:02.000 And kind of Catherine Hepburn need too. 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:05.519 Yeah. I was like, yeah, she's like she put her 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:06.400 in Jurassic Park. 1:17:06.600 --> 1:17:09.719 She is like a young she looks like a young 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:10.799 doctor Sadler. 1:17:11.200 --> 1:17:12.080 She does so. 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:14.400 She's also wearing like kind of a chunky watch. She's 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:19.719 a science She's a scientist's daughter. If anybody knows women 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:24.280 of any kind just the smallest hint of science into 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:29.160 our lives as young people, we are we're rabbit holing 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:32.640 the fuck out of science. Young girls, we're going in. 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:37.360 But despite her dad being a scientist, and despite her 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:42.080 younger brother taking an interest in science, Amy has no 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:45.160 interest in science. She has no knowledge, nothing she's picked 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:47.559 up from school or her dad or anything. 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:49.719 She can't even cook a piece of toast. 1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:50.479 Nope. 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:52.720 And at very least, because I was struggling with that, 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:55.400 where it's like she doesn't have an interest, I guess 1:17:55.439 --> 1:17:58.000 also her love interest doesn't have an interest and so 1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:03.840 this couple is maybe just not very intesting or interested. Well, 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:08.040 but and I also thought it was not pointed, but like, 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.439 maybe maybe go on this journey with me. In these 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:15.479 kinds of movies where the dad has a kooky like 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:19.400 job or passion, if his wife does have a job, 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:23.799 it is not a job that requires the same focus 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:26.839 and passion like she has been written as a realtor, 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:30.839 and if you're a passionate realtor, that's none of my business. 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:34.559 But like a job that isn't quite as like all 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:39.320 consuming and creative right as what the husband is doing. 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.280 And I don't know what that is. I was like, 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:44.479 I would I think that it would make you know 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:48.240 Diane's character a lot more of a character if she 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:51.720 was also doing something that she cared about and was 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:54.559 expected to take care of the entire family. And she 1:18:54.720 --> 1:18:57.519 is clearly working hard and as successful at what she does. 1:18:57.680 --> 1:18:59.439 But it makes it feel like there's only room for 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:02.760 like one passionate person in a marriage, and I don't 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:03.080 love that. 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:05.360 And I also don't love that it's given to the 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:09.240 given to the man Rick moranis because I'm like, always, yeah, 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:11.280 sure that that's the dynamic. 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:14.000 Are you sure, right I did. I will say there 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:17.320 is something like inside of me that really is activated 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:20.880 every time. The most subversive thing about this movie is 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:23.160 the first time you see the parents together and she's taller, 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:23.839 and I'm. 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:26.480 Like, oh my god. 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:32.280 That representation matter. I love seeing Rick moranis with a 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:34.000 tall wife. It's awesome. 1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:39.360 Of course, Well you're a fantasy I want to be. 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:43.519 But it is always and this kind of goes back 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:47.200 to the the point you were making earlier, Jamie, as 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:51.320 far as like movies about a man's special interest that 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:56.240 is ruining his family, because it's always the man's job 1:19:56.439 --> 1:20:00.439 or hobby or project or whatever. That is the thing 1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:05.879 that is crucial to the plot versus whatever the wife 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:10.400 slash mother's job. If she is even given a job 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:13.920 that we know what it is, it has no bearing 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:16.759 on this story whatsoever. Usually, and especially in this movie, 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:19.720 we do know what she does, but it could have 1:20:19.720 --> 1:20:22.599 been anything. It doesn't matter what her job is, and 1:20:22.640 --> 1:20:26.559 not that like a person's job defines them, of course, 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:30.720 but when it's always a man's work is seen as 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:33.719 more important. It is the thing that impacts the plot. 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:37.080 It is the thing that is like basically the narrative 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:41.840 thrust of the entire movie. You know, not great. I 1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:48.080 don't love that. And meanwhile, both moms May and Diane 1:20:48.439 --> 1:20:52.599 are seen in two different scenes putting away groceries. God, 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:55.440 I know, because that's the limit of this movie's imagination 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:58.960 of what adult women would be doing at any given moment. 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:04.160 Well generally while advising their husband, while putting their husband 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:07.479 at ease. May especially, she is an interesting character because 1:21:07.479 --> 1:21:10.519 I feel like they do a few girl boss feminism moments, 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.400 but it always happens behind closed doors, where a lot 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:16.360 of it is like she's de escalating her husband's anger 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:19.519 towards her son, so she's protecting her children from her 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:23.920 husband's anger at many points, but it's made to seem 1:21:24.080 --> 1:21:27.320 like cute and like this is our relationship, ha ha, 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:30.760 where at one point she's like, you know, lightly negs him, 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:33.240 where he's like rubbing at his head because he got 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:36.720 bonked because he's the neighbor, and she's like, don't you 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:39.200 know you only got so many brain cells up there, honey, 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:43.120 you gotta be careful. And it seems like he's less 1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:46.519 hostile to her than he is to their children, but 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.439 she spends a lot of time having to de escalate 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:53.400 his anger towards the kids towards the cops, to which are. 1:21:53.640 --> 1:21:55.920 Jain Zelinsky, and all the noise that he's making. 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:58.720 Towards the cops is more warranted because why aren't they 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:05.320 looking for the children? But it's because cops don't do anything. Yeah. 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:08.880 Also, the way that the movie opens up, I'm sort 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:11.519 of like, wait, as an adult, I'm watching it thinking, 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:16.800 is this a movie about domestic violence and neglect? It's 1:22:17.400 --> 1:22:20.800 kind of like the neighbor dad seems like he's unhinged. 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:23.639 He's like a Jim Carrey sort of. It's like, yeah, 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:27.000 it's like what I imagine Jim Carrey is like irl, like 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.599 not in character, he's like sort of a Jim Carrey ripoff. 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:31.599 I had the same thought. 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:37.799 He's very big and clownish, but also like un fucking hinged. 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:41.920 This man is not a good father. He should not 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.759 be around children. He certainly should not have attracted a wife. 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:48.160 And I feel for her. 1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:51.599 I know, I'm like, this poor woman, she is in 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:54.759 an abusive situation. Get her out of there right now, 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:55.920 and those children as well. 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:57.880 But it's framed as a joke, and all. 1:22:57.760 --> 1:22:59.960 Of these boys are gonna grow up to be maga. 1:23:00.800 --> 1:23:04.320 Yes, oh my god, the boys, they're especially ron. I 1:23:04.320 --> 1:23:07.240 mean maybe maybe if the antid pulled through it, it 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:11.080 would be it would be a different story. But buts 1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:14.160 as things stand, I think he's I think he's pretty 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:19.920 squarely going to be fascist, yes, as also Rick Morana's son. 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:23.639 Yes, he's going to be grew up to be Mark 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:24.799 Zuckerberg or something. 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:30.000 Because also Rick Morana's character is clearly being funded by 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:35.960 Mark Andresen and is building a war machine that is 1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:37.639 going to be turned into AI someday. 1:23:37.640 --> 1:23:38.080 I don't know. 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:42.960 It all goes so deep, yeah, down to like even 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:47.600 the there are little interactions between the neighbor parents that 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:50.440 is supposed to I think, be like funny and affectionate, 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:53.760 but he reads very dark. Where there's another time where 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:55.720 she's saying something. I think this is in the scene 1:23:55.760 --> 1:23:58.479 where they're talking to the cops about the kids being missing, 1:23:59.160 --> 1:24:01.200 and she says, I'm and he says no, no, no, 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:03.400 no no, and then he says the same thing. And 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:06.840 the joke is that he says what she just said 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:09.480 and takes credit for it, and she puts up with it, 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:11.360 and that's so funny and I'm laughing. 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:15.960 Yeah, the two of them are confronting the Celenskis May says, 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.920 how did this happen? How did you shrink our kids? 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:23.839 And Russell's like, I'll handle this, May, how did this happen? 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:24.400 Right? 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:28.439 Every time we see them on screen together, she's always yeah, 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:31.559 like you said, trying to de escalate. She's always like, oh, 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:34.800 give the guy a break, honey, I'll give your son 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:39.800 a chance, honey. Oh lighten up. But it is a 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:44.200 really bizarre dynamic. I mean, obviously they're both like caricatures 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:50.200 of purple, but like the dynamic is very bizarre and unsettling. 1:24:51.160 --> 1:24:56.719 And then you have Russell being obsessed with his son 1:24:56.920 --> 1:25:01.559 Russ Junior being into fishing and being into football and 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:02.959 making him lift weight. 1:25:02.840 --> 1:25:06.160 Being super masculine exactly. 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:09.000 And no offense to this actor, no offense to Max Headroom. 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:10.960 But it felt weird because I was like, this is 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:14.400 not the guy you cast as like jock father, Like 1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:18.519 he's too weird, you know whatever, But like just the 1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:22.320 character choice is being made, Like I'm like, I don't 1:25:22.360 --> 1:25:27.240 believe this guy was a quarterback. Like it's it feels 1:25:27.240 --> 1:25:29.240 like the character must have changed a lot because what 1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:32.880 we see visually and then when we randomly see Kimmy 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:35.320 Robertson from Twin Peaks and you're like, well, that's fun. 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:38.720 It's mostly her getting yelled at and disbelieve. 1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:43.880 Always nice to see her down and Gloria appearance. 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:47.040 Don also, so I was like, this movie needed me. 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:50.960 I could have helped. I like the fact that there's 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:53.360 a character named Don and a character named Ron. I'm like, 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:54.760 come on, guys. 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:56.080 Come on, second draft. 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:58.160 Someone has to have eyes on this. 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:01.800 No, but back to the I mean, there could have 1:26:01.840 --> 1:26:06.760 been something interesting about if a father is pressuring his 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:11.640 son with taking an interest in these traditionally masculine activities, 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:16.160 there's an opportunity for that to be examined. And we 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:19.120 do see Russ Junior push back on that and say 1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:22.360 those are your interests, Dad, not mine. But as we've 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:25.960 already talked about, the movie squanders this opportunity to be like, no, 1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:30.360 I don't I like reading or I like science, or 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:32.360 I like like I don't know what I like. 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.880 Well, what do you like, son? I don't know, I 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:35.240 don't know. 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:38.040 I'll let you know, he says, like he says it 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:42.000 all like smarmy too, in this weird way where he's like, 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:44.519 I'll let you get I'll update you when I know 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:48.040 what my character is, and you're like, yeah, let us 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:50.559 know too. We'd like to know what the hell's going 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:51.360 on with you. 1:26:51.360 --> 1:26:53.960 You couldn't just invent one thing that he's into. 1:26:54.520 --> 1:26:57.680 Yeah, comic books, I don't know anything. 1:26:57.960 --> 1:26:59.680 What would be great is if it was like, I 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:03.440 just want to be a lifeguard, and then it justifies 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:05.040 him saving Amy. 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:09.200 Oh right, yes, yeah, I also didn't think. I mean 1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:13.160 I guess that like Nick's interest in science becomes plot 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:15.200 relevant a few times, but not as much as you 1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:18.080 would think. He figures out that they're three miles away. 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:23.920 I appreciated the detail or continuity error that his calculator 1:27:24.000 --> 1:27:28.120 also struck shruck because he's able to use it. I 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:29.240 thought that was really cute. 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:31.840 It's like every I guess everything that's on you is 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:32.679 also shrunk. 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:33.920 So I'm down for. 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:36.720 That science works on whatever. 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:39.800 Good thing he kept that calculator on him, or that 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:42.720 would have been an issue. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:44.960 it's so exciting to watch the kid and I'm sure 1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:47.200 like if you're a kid, especially, like it's so exciting 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:50.400 to watch the kids like survive all of these travails 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:52.760 that you don't really think about, like the fact that 1:27:53.800 --> 1:27:56.160 the ways that they're active are not really grounded and 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:58.080 what the characters are. It just sort of is like 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:01.240 what the plot requires, and that involves, like we talked about, 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:04.519 a lot of damseling off Amy. Really the most active 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:08.400 Amy gets in these situations are there is one point 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:12.840 where she's like assisting in rankling the future dead aunt, 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:16.760 but it's basically against her will, and that presents, like 1:28:16.960 --> 1:28:19.800 Ron the opportunity to be like, she's pretty good for 1:28:19.920 --> 1:28:23.000 a girl, of course. And then Nick says, oh, yeah, 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:25.120 for a girl, of course. I was like, you agree, 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:27.679 what there is so weird? 1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:31.519 Yeah, that's their friendship. The moment that their friendship is 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:36.400 solidified as just being like girls fucking sucks, like yeah. 1:28:36.360 --> 1:28:39.960 And then I mean earlier in the movie, Ron is 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:42.840 being like, we need to get back home because I 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:46.800 want to go fishing, and Russ is like, no, we 1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:49.439 should go to the Selenski's house because they have a 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:54.559 machine that will fix us. Per Amy's suggestion, She's like no, Like, 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:59.200 my dad can fix this, right Nick, and Ron is like. 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:01.519 What are you gonna let a girl tell you what 1:29:01.680 --> 1:29:05.080 to do? Someone's got to make a decision here. Yeah, 1:29:05.120 --> 1:29:07.799 and it's like that is technically a win for Amy, 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:09.520 but it's such a small. 1:29:09.200 --> 1:29:13.080 Win, and Russ doesn't even push back on that. He's 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:16.560 not even like, yeah, we should listen to to Amy. 1:29:16.800 --> 1:29:18.120 She made a good point. 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:21.640 Because obviously she's the only one in this group of 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:24.320 four who can get us through this. 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:28.160 It's clear as day, right, Yeah, and then yeah, Russ 1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:30.720 just responds with something like, you know, you'll do as 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:36.280 I say when we're down here, younger brother, Like weird dynamic, 1:29:36.800 --> 1:29:39.639 but yeah, this is all kind of I guess setting 1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:44.640 up Ron's arc, which is that he hates girls and 1:29:44.720 --> 1:29:50.800 doesn't respect them at first, but after traversing through the 1:29:50.960 --> 1:29:56.480 yard he comes to respect one girl exactly. 1:29:56.960 --> 1:30:01.000 It's just your casual nineteen eighty sexism. It's bare, you know. 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:05.160 It's sort of launching us into the early nineties where 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:08.120 we have Alanis Morissett coming out and saying. 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:13.080 No, no more, no more. And she fixed it, she 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:17.080 fixed it, and here we are good for her. Yeah. 1:30:17.120 --> 1:30:18.920 It is as like it's like this this movie is 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:22.040 doing some like it's doing stuff we've talked about before 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:24.960 in slightly different ways, but it's like very clear the 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:27.960 playbook they're pulling from Oh absolutely, yeah. 1:30:27.840 --> 1:30:30.120 Yeah, and then realizing that it's kind of just a 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:34.400 bunch of like horror nineteen eighties, like the horror writers 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:38.400 directors that are like, you know, they're not really grappling 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:41.479 with giant content. This is mostly a movie about the 1:30:41.560 --> 1:30:43.960 effects and what they can do with a green screen 1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:46.880 and this new technology that they're kind of playing around with. 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:51.640 We don't the characters could who cares? Who cares? 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:55.040 They're sort of ancillary to as long as we can 1:30:55.120 --> 1:30:59.840 rig them to a gigantic broom and sort of risk 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:04.320 them around in all of these different cool like stunt ways. 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:07.000 It doesn't. We don't care. 1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:10.400 Yeah, And that does seem to be Joe Johnston's whole deal. 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:13.280 He's like, let's get the stunt, let's get the because 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:15.400 he goes on to do well. He did one of 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.679 my favorite childhood movies, The Page Master. I love. 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:20.960 I've never seen this. 1:31:21.880 --> 1:31:27.599 One of my favorite vhs is growing up. It's It's 1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:31.160 that is my mcaulay culkin movie for some reason. Oh 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:35.040 my god, it's really fun and it teaches you three 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:38.559 genres of book. But he did The Page Master. He 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:41.800 did Jumanji, like he did, you know, it. I think 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:44.240 that like with it seems like with his movies, it 1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:46.759 really depends on like the quality of the script, because 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:51.160 that's not why he's there. He's there for Giant Aunt, 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:57.840 he's there for Jumanji stunts. He randomly did direct October Sky, 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:01.479 not a big stunt movie, but then he did Jurassic 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:04.360 Park three, he did Captain America the First Avenger. Like 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:07.880 he does big, gigantic movies, and if the script is good, 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:10.360 the movie is good. And if the script isn't good, 1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:14.320 then there will be a gigantic insect. But that's about 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:15.360 all you can be guaranteed. 1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:19.280 Yeah, and I do feel like, you know, the scripts 1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:24.280 weren't the movies of the nineteen eighties, especially the children's movies. 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:28.400 They were inspiring to me as a child, as a 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:32.679 young entertainer wanting to get into the industry, I thought, 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:37.519 oh I could do that. Yeah, I mean, script wise, 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:40.720 I was like, oh, oh, this is all you have 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:43.760 to do, have to do right, sign me up? 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:48.479 Yeah, Yeah, it's true, it's true. Yeah, it's I mean, 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:52.000 I I enjoyed the movie. I'll say it. It's like 1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:55.680 for the Bexel cast, it is it is. It was 1:32:55.760 --> 1:32:56.840 never gonna farewell. 1:32:57.040 --> 1:33:00.880 No, but on the rumpometer, I'd say a ten out 1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:05.639 of ten. It's also ninety minutes long. It's so it's 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:06.920 such a nice length. 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:09.880 It's such a nice length and almost felt a little 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:11.320 too long in my opinion. 1:33:11.439 --> 1:33:14.439 I was like, well, because every almost every one too 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:17.960 many obstacles in the yard maybe, and they're way too 1:33:18.040 --> 1:33:21.800 insect oriented or but what bugs. It's clear that Joe 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:25.080 Johnson's like, how many big insects will you buy me? 1:33:25.240 --> 1:33:27.400 And that's how many big insects will be in the movie. 1:33:27.880 --> 1:33:32.640 Yeah, they needed some diversity in the types of obstacles 1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:33.840 that they encounter. 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:37.880 Eco diversity. I thought that like a nighttime travail would 1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:39.519 I mean, that might have been just really hard and 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:41.880 expensive to shoot. And like I wanted a coyote in 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:45.160 the yard, you know, like I mean, or what else 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:45.960 could happen at night? 1:33:46.720 --> 1:33:49.280 I think there just needs to be something besides wildlife 1:33:49.360 --> 1:33:51.920 that they run into, Like surely it's just like a 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:52.840 bunch of different. 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:58.639 Types I want to run into like a fairy. Well, 1:33:58.680 --> 1:34:01.519 that's a totally different movie. I like that this movie. 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.800 In this movie, magic is not real. Magic is not real. 1:34:04.880 --> 1:34:06.280 But the kids are shrunk. 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:10.679 Yes, beautiful because science did the magic. Science, not magic 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:11.360 did the magic. 1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:13.919 Yeah, it was the opposite of magic. It was science. 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:17.840 The science is magic. But wow, no it isn't. 1:34:18.560 --> 1:34:20.680 And it's kind of magic when you fall into a 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:23.639 flower and you get the pallen chunks all over your 1:34:23.720 --> 1:34:27.040 body and they won't get off. Yes, yes they're sticky. 1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:28.720 That was fun. 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:29.439 It's magical. 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:30.400 It is. 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:34.040 Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about? 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:37.040 I don't think so. I'm glad this movie isn't called 1:34:37.040 --> 1:34:42.000 teeny Weenies? But does it pass the Bechdel test? 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:43.760 I think spirit. 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:46.200 Absolutely not. 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:49.160 I'm going I'm going to no, because there is there 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:51.639 The other interaction, Oh this I was going to bring 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:54.760 this up, was between the two moms, but they are 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:58.200 talking about either their husband or their I mean technically 1:34:58.240 --> 1:35:01.760 amy their children, but their majority son's children for most 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:04.920 of that time. I don't know about you guys, but 1:35:05.080 --> 1:35:09.160 like there is like an underlying sense of hostility to 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:12.280 this one interaction we get between these women that I 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:14.599 think is like cut around to make it seem like 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:18.720 it's about the baseball through the window, But I just 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:22.000 felt like May and Diane were randomly being like a 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:24.200 little hostile to each other, well. 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:26.960 Because May is like, we haven't seen you around that much, 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:29.479 with like kind of a weird tone, and then in 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:35.120 a similarly sort of like defensive tone, Diane is like, well, yeah, 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:36.320 I've been working a lot. 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:41.559 Yeah, I wonder if there was like another scene that, like, 1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:43.759 I don't know, it just felt like a very hostile 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:46.200 dynamic to establish and then be like and that's just 1:35:46.280 --> 1:35:48.240 kind of what these women are like, and you're like, 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:51.320 all right, so we have no women who can be friends, 1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:52.360 got it. 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:54.120 I do feel like it's sort of, yeah, like the 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:58.440 classic neighbors scenario where you just hate your neighbors. 1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:01.280 Well, the husbands don't like each other, and the women 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:03.960 are just gonna go along with whatever the husband so 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:07.400 doing and feeling Maybe was that I don't know. 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:09.400 That wasn't how my neighborhood worked. It was like, if 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:12.400 husbands hated each other, that was not going to interrupt 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:13.479 wine mom time. 1:36:14.160 --> 1:36:16.400 Truly, that's beautiful wine mom. 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:18.719 Time exceeded the husband. 1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:23.439 Yeah, yeah, I mean this is just very much a 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:28.400 byproduct of the culture of the eighties, it is, and 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:33.959 the sexism and the centering of whiteness that was inherent 1:36:34.200 --> 1:36:37.639 to that time. And oops, it's still happening. 1:36:38.439 --> 1:36:38.799 Oops. 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:43.240 But yeah, that was all I had to say about 1:36:43.280 --> 1:36:43.839 the movie. 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:47.479 So let's see how it fares on the Bechdel cast 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:52.880 iconic nipple scale five nipples based on how the movie 1:36:53.040 --> 1:36:56.759 fares with an intersectional feminist lens. 1:36:57.280 --> 1:36:59.559 Yeah, zero to five nipples. I'm gonna give it a 1:36:59.600 --> 1:37:07.400 half nipple because there was potential. I guess it was 1:37:07.479 --> 1:37:10.840 all it was all squandered, But you know, there was 1:37:10.920 --> 1:37:14.840 potential in the character of Amy. At least there was 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:18.000 one girl who got to like go on the big 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:23.040 adventure through the yard. There was potential that could have 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:26.840 been explored with Diane being the bread winner. But again, 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:31.280 none of these opportunities are capitalized on. Everything is just 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:38.120 very very status quo, very gendered dynamics across the entire movie. 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:46.240 And it's not it's not doing really anything interesting in 1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:49.880 that regard. So half nipple, and I'm going to give 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:55.000 it to Anti the ant rip May he or she 1:37:55.720 --> 1:37:56.479 rest in peace. 1:37:57.040 --> 1:38:01.639 Rip. I'm also gonna do I think half a nipple. 1:38:03.400 --> 1:38:06.080 You know, all of the hahollmarks of an eighties family 1:38:06.160 --> 1:38:09.960 movie are here. It is extremely white, it happens in 1:38:10.000 --> 1:38:13.880 an upper middle class suburb. There are only blonde women 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:17.280 and they are not allowed to be interesting past a 1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:21.800 very specific point. So sounds like a movie from nineteen 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:24.840 eighty nine to me, But most movies from nineteen eighty nine, counterpoint, 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:27.960 don't have gigantic ants. And so I did enjoy it. 1:38:28.880 --> 1:38:30.880 And I also I feel like if I had seen 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:32.320 this movie when I was a kid, I would have 1:38:32.479 --> 1:38:36.479 been very attached to Amy and like wanted more for her. 1:38:37.280 --> 1:38:40.720 And yeah, I again she is now that. Now that 1:38:40.800 --> 1:38:44.439 I see her as little Ellie Sadler, I can't unsee it. 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:47.040 And it would have It would have been so easy 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.480 and helpful to a weird plot to have her interested, 1:38:50.720 --> 1:38:54.519 to be the older sibling interested in science. It would 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:57.880 have helped. But that we could not We could conceive 1:38:57.960 --> 1:39:00.320 of a shrink Ray. What we could not conceive of 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:04.719 is a young woman with an interest. And so levlaf 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:09.760 love half a nipple. I am giving it too. I'm 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:11.400 gonna give it to Amy. She deserves it. 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:14.400 Yeah, yes, and more, Jenna, how about you. 1:39:14.680 --> 1:39:17.200 I'm also doing half nipple and I'm giving it to Amy. 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:20.680 She was the only one with any kind of feminist potential. 1:39:21.360 --> 1:39:25.679 I think she grows up, you know, to be a scholar. 1:39:25.840 --> 1:39:31.439 She gets a PhD at Harvard for physics. She's a palaeontologist. 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:34.360 I don't know, she does something in the sciences. She's 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:37.960 a woman in stem who has been sort of written 1:39:38.040 --> 1:39:40.400 to only want to go to the mall, but she's 1:39:40.479 --> 1:39:44.280 dressing the part. She was cast in that way. This 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:48.719 movie is, unfortunately was written by men, as was every 1:39:48.760 --> 1:39:54.200 Disney movie. And I do think that as a child, 1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:56.200 because I was so moved by this film and the 1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:59.960 making of it truly just what they wanted us to see, 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:03.200 which was the technical aspects of it. You know, I 1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:05.640 have to give it some credit because it did. It 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:11.639 did capture my special effects loving heart. And but that's 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:12.600 about it. 1:40:12.320 --> 1:40:17.559 That's about it. Well, thank you so much for joining 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:18.360 us once again. 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:20.800 Oh my god, I love being on this pod. 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:24.360 We love you so much. Bring us another practical effects 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:26.879 any anything, anything and everything. 1:40:27.080 --> 1:40:29.719 God, I will, I will. 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