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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague Wes Hodkuitz.

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Speaker 1: Were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau

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Speaker 1: Field West. Packers Bears Week one, the kickoff to the

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Speaker 1: NFL season. It's just a couple of days away now,

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Speaker 1: and we spent a lot of time talking yesterday's show

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Speaker 1: previous shows about finally getting to unveil this new Packers offense.

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones, Davante Adams, the whole

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Speaker 1: cast of characters. But we haven't spent much time talking

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Speaker 1: about the Packers defense, and I think we do need

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Speaker 1: to spend some time on that because, quite frankly, for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm almost building more anticipation for what this defense is

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Speaker 1: going to look like as opposed to last year when

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Speaker 1: Mike Petton was in his first year, because it was

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Speaker 1: this kind of the same cast of characters last year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you had a new coordinator, you added JayR Alexandra and

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Speaker 1: Josh Jackson, but otherwise it was all the same crew.

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Speaker 1: And this year you have a returning crew that learned

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Speaker 1: the system the first year, and then you have this

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Speaker 1: influx of guys essentially a fifteen draft class that was

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Speaker 1: purchased in free agency, the Smith's and Adrian Amos, and

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Speaker 1: then your twenty nineteen draft class at the top of

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Speaker 1: the board and Rashaan Gary and Darnell Savage. This is

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Speaker 1: really interesting now that we're finally going to see what

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Speaker 1: Mike Petton's year two defense is gonna look like. Do

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Speaker 1: you like to cook, Mike? Sometimes? Sometimes? Sometimes Do you

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Speaker 1: ever find yourself going to the grocery store, You come home,

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of different ingredients, a couple different things

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Speaker 1: you're really excited about. You find a good I don't know,

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Speaker 1: spare rib that you're really excited to throw in the

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Speaker 1: oven and whatnot. That's the way I feel about the

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Speaker 1: be excited about right now, is that you have all

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Speaker 1: these new ingredients to work with with Mike pett and

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Speaker 1: his defense. Now we got an idea of what he

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Speaker 1: can offer, and not saying that those ingredients weren't grade too,

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Speaker 1: but you kind of knew what you were dealing with

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Speaker 1: at that point. Everything was sort of the same. You

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Speaker 1: can only shine a penny so many different ways. What

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Speaker 1: I like about this influx is because there's so many

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Speaker 1: different types of acquisitions that they made. When you look

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Speaker 1: at the rookie class, like you said, when you look

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Speaker 1: at the two thousand fifteen free agents that have been

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Speaker 1: signed that came through that draft and then not, you

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Speaker 1: also have this two thousand sixteen draft coming to the

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Speaker 1: prime of their careers, throwing Jaire Alexanders throwing some of

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Speaker 1: these other people. This is to me, and I wrote

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Speaker 1: this an insider inbox, this is the most intriguing a

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Speaker 1: Packer defense has been, at least during my time on

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Speaker 1: the beat, because there's so many new, uh different areas

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Speaker 1: to work off of. Now, I'm not saying they're going

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Speaker 1: to go out there and just dominate from day one.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be realistic. I think you

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Speaker 1: have to understand that this is eleven players working as

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Speaker 1: one and it's going to take time to bring those

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Speaker 1: materials together, bring those players together. But at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, I think, is this team, if they

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Speaker 1: can stay healthy, if that unit can stay healthy, And

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Speaker 1: you and I have talked about a time and time again,

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Speaker 1: seeing the progression that this defense can make with Mike

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Speaker 1: Petton scheme and those principles behind it, I think it's

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Speaker 1: very exciting. Well, it was obvious what the targets were

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Speaker 1: to revamp this defense in the off season, and it

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Speaker 1: was two positions. It was outside linebacker and safety. You

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Speaker 1: brought in too free agent outside linebackers in Zadarius Smith

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Speaker 1: at safety you brought in a new starter in Adrian

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Speaker 1: positions that have gotten the makeovers here heading into and

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're talking about trying to make impact

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Speaker 1: and outside linebackers and safeties have a lot to do

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Speaker 1: and it's interesting to watch how this game has changed

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Speaker 1: over even the last six, seven, eight years. I remember

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Speaker 1: Safety was in neglected position, not just by the Packers,

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Speaker 1: They wanted their cornerbacks, they wanted their inside linebackers. They

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Speaker 1: the idea too that unlike other years where you'd see

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Speaker 1: as a first round pick twelfth overall, they might be

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Speaker 1: You're not in that spot with za Darius Smith and

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Speaker 1: I just I'm so intrigued, as I mentioned from the

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Speaker 1: other thing is that we all know what shut down corners,

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Speaker 1: there's certainly a reason. I think there are multiple reasons

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Speaker 1: going to have to line up Ladarius Gunter across from

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Speaker 1: that's ultimately what we're getting at here. You see just

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Speaker 1: thing that happens, Mike. You're gonna need guys at certain

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Speaker 1: I think it probably speaks of the direction the league

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Speaker 1: when I cover this team, you're looking at eight or

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look on paper the way

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