1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: I've Never told you, a production of iHeartRadio. And welcome 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: to another edition of Female First, which means we are 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: once again joined by the wondrous, the delightful Eves. 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Welcome Eves. 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. I like that we're wondrous. 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 4: I know, I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 4: I don't know if I've heard that use too often. 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: There it is, he's giving fantasy novel. I like that. Well. 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: I was thinking about as we're moving into to Fall, 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and for me, follows my favorite season. 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: It just has this kind of vibe to me. 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: That feels kind of like wondrous. And I really like 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: the the atmosphere and the changing of the leave. So 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: it's been on my mind. Perhaps, how have you been good? 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 5: I'm thinking about fall, like you said, And I was 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 5: taking a hike the other day through this place that 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 5: really felt like a fairy land to me because there 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 5: was so much moss everywhere, like dew and just like 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 5: moisture dripping off of leaves, and I was just like, 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 5: I really think fairies would live here. It did feel 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 5: like a wondrous place, and it's like just enough greenery 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 5: and foliage, but at the same time, like there weren't 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 5: leaves on a lot of the trees, so it was 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 5: like this perfect harmony of like being able to see enough, 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 5: but also still it still felt like pretty lush. So yeah, 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 5: I like fall. I'm a summer I like springing summer. 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 5: But I'm like trying not to be my normal biased 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: self and be like, what are the parts of fall 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 5: that I actually like and can enjoy, because to me, 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 5: I go straight to it's getting colder. 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: The days are getting shorter, which I don't like. 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: I like sunlight, so I'm trying to see what I 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: can like gather out of it that is positive. 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 4: I wonder if that's partly because we're in the South, 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 4: because I think the same thing, and fall is so 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: short that you don't get to see like the like 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: I lived in La j Georgia, which is in the mountains, 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 4: so right at the foot hills of the mountains, and 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: it does have a good fall peak, but it's like 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: been short because of global warming. It's been shorter and 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 4: shorter and shorter as I've grown up. But when it 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: was there for like a full month, it was gorgeous 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 4: red and yellows and the breeze and like less rain. 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: It was lovely to see, but like I wonder, because 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 4: we're in the South, it doesn't last as long, or 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 4: it seems to like if you blink it's gone, and 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: it feels like it lasts two weeks at most and 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 4: then like it's darkness and just dead trees everywhere. 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: So it's like, uh, where did that go? As where? 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: Like summertime obviously again in the South, it'll seems to 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 4: last a whole lot longer than anything else. 53 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I don't really know fall that 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 5: well because we don't get those like amazing colors in Atlanta. 56 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: I've seen them in other places. But I do think 57 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 5: too that that the idea of fall and all of 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 5: the different colors it does. I can see what you're 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 5: what you mean by the wondrous thing, too, Annie, because 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 5: when I think of fall, I think of children's books too, 61 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 5: Like I think of parents and children's books like taking 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 5: their kids to play in leaf piles and the kids 63 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 5: are wearing like what are they called galoshes, like the 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 5: rain boots. I don't know if that's the right word 65 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 5: for them, but there I feel like I never used 66 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 5: that word because I don't know fall will and our 67 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 5: climate actually isn't that rainy either, so yeah, I don't know. 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 5: I see it, and I plan on spending some time 69 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 5: in the northeast, so hopefully I do get to see 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 5: a little bit of the fall this year up there. 71 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh, oh, yes, Well, I'm very excited for 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: this story used because I feel like this was a 73 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: first that opened a door to like an un amazing story, 74 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: Like it was not going it went all over the place. 75 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting a lot of it. And it's also 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: something that Samantha and I have talked about on the 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: show about clothes and drama calls around clothes and women 78 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: wearing them. So who did you bring for us to 79 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: talk about today? 80 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: Us? 81 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: So today we're going. 82 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 5: To be talking about Luisa Capaccillo, and she is what 83 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 5: Adie's talking about. She's remembered as the first woman to 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 5: wear pants in Puerto Rico. That sounds like that is 85 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 5: not in any way that just scratches the surface of 86 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 5: everything that she did in her life. So it's not 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 5: like we're being reductionist by saying that. It's definitely one 88 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 5: thing that happen, but in her story. It's the thing 89 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: that gets the person the movie, you know what I mean, 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 5: Like it's that moment in their life that is like 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 5: indicative of all of the things that they've done in 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 5: their life. Who they are in their life. Is a 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 5: very symbolic part of her story, but it is in 94 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 5: no way the most important part of her story. 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: Is really just really just it. 96 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 5: Expresses the type of persons she was and kind of 97 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 5: it was also kind of a practical thing for her too, 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 5: So that is what she's remembered as. She could also 99 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 5: be considered one of the earliest feminist writers in Puerto Rico, 100 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 5: and we'll get into that in her story. 101 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, as insignificant as it seems about the 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: pants the amount of conversations we've had on the show 103 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 4: alone in our books, like that's really fairly significant because 104 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: of the demonstrations and this is a revolt. This is 105 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: a protest that a lot of women did way back 106 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: when we talked about with the Bloomers, and then we 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: talked about it in our own and I think we 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: did an episode and we also did in our book 109 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: about pantsuits about how the government which just happened not 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: too long ago, Like in our lifetimes about how they 111 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: in the Congress. In Congress women decided to protest by 112 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: wearing pants suits, which was like unheard of. Like all 113 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 4: of these things that we talk about, it is such 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: an odd conversation and it seems so trivial, but at 115 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: the same time, it was fairly bigger than what we know, 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: and the whole implications of it was pretty big, and 117 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 4: it does kind of set a precedent about who these 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 4: people were and what they were trying to say, and 119 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: it often has a lot to do with women's rights 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: and feminism in itself. 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: I love that, Yeah, I do too. 122 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 5: And also, we haven't really I don't think we've ever 123 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 5: talked about a Puerto Rican woman. 124 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: On the show before. 125 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 5: I might be incorrect about that, but we definitely haven't 126 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 5: talked about a lot of them. So I'm excited that 127 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 5: we were able to talk about somebody from Puerto Rico 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 5: today because Puerto Rico and itself has its own rich history, 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 5: one that is still influx and that's still so many 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 5: people are talking about so thinking about how we're still 131 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 5: like and this was the eighteen hundreds to the early 132 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 5: nineteen hundreds that we were talking about people wearing pants, 133 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 5: and then in US Congress, we're talking about this in like. 134 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: The nineteen nineties. So I think two. 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 5: I mean, obviously because of Vice President Kamala Harris and 136 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 5: everything that's happening right now in the US presidency, Like 137 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 5: there's so much friction and so much coagulation and so 138 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 5: much electricity around this idea of like women in politics 139 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: doing things. And like, I think one interesting thing about 140 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 5: what y'all talk about on Sminty and then what we 141 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 5: have talked about on female First is like being able 142 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 5: to see that from a more global perspective and you 143 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 5: start to like just be able to put into perspective better, 144 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 5: like what's happening in different places at the same time. 145 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 5: So we'll get to talk about that context too. With 146 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 5: Luisa Capaitillo's story. 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, well, should we get into it. 148 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 5: So Luisa was born on October twenty eighth, eighteen seventy nine, 150 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 5: and Attecibo, Puerto Rico. And at the time she's born, 151 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: Puerto Rico is under Spanish rule, but in eighteen ninety eight, 152 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 5: the US invaded Puerto Rico and Spain ceded Puerto Rico 153 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 5: to the United States. So her father, Luisa's father Luis 154 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 5: Capetillo was from Spain. He did various jobs, including ones 155 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: in agriculture and construction. And Luisa's mother was Margharita Proone 156 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 5: and she was a domestic worker from France, and Luisa 157 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 5: was their only child. And Luisa's parents they were really 158 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 5: influenced by like the aftermath of the French Revolution. Margherita 159 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 5: herself was influenced by the work of George sand who 160 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 5: was a woman writer who criticized marriage and like talks 161 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 5: about lots of other things. But Louise and Margarita never 162 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 5: got married, and. 163 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 3: Like in any other story, I wouldn't really. 164 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 5: Like it feels kind of odd to say that, but 165 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 5: it's because of this specific context, Luisa's context, and she 166 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: talks about marriage and her work and relationships between couples, 167 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 5: and also women's rights are part of the things that 168 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 5: Luisa talked about, which is why I have to just 169 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 5: add this disclaimer. That's why I'm saying that it's not 170 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 5: like I actually cared whether or not they're married or 171 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 5: like that's even that pertinent to the story beyond that point. 172 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 5: But Luisa's father taught Luisa to read and to write 173 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 5: and to do math, so she is she got kind 174 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 5: of an outside of the home education as well, but 175 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 5: inside of the home is where a lot of the 176 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: education was happening because her parents were introducing to her, 177 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 5: introducing Luisa to these works. She's exposed to the writings 178 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 5: of philosophers and anarchists, of people like Victor Hugo and 179 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 5: Emil Zola and John Stuart Mill. And she spoke with 180 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: her parents about workers' rights, religion, and anarcho syndicalism, which 181 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 5: is an anarchist philosophy that really advocates for workers taking 182 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 5: direct action for better conditions. It's like seeking to tear 183 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 5: down traditional organizations of authority and capitalism and organize these 184 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 5: mass unions and have civic and political life revolve around that. 185 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 5: And I am trying to imagine these conversations that she 186 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 5: was having with her parents, because I'm imagining this is 187 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 5: during the time of her adolescence, Like, I don't know 188 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 5: of any record of what those conversations were like. It's 189 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: just that in the sources I've seen from the scholars 190 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 5: and the historians who worked on uncovering her legacy have 191 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 5: said that she was a precocious child and that her parents, 192 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 5: because of their background, they came from Europe, and this 193 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 5: was in the eighteen hundreds. You know, the times that 194 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 5: they grew up in Spain and France were obviously very turbulent, 195 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 5: and so they had clearly some sort of social and 196 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: class consciousness coming over from Europe. And also I believe 197 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 5: they weren't wealthy, so I'm not sure if they were poor, 198 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 5: but they weren't wealthy. And they were also already thinking 199 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 5: about labor and thinking about their economics and their social status, 200 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: and they were migrants, so I guess in my mind 201 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 5: these are really big topics. And it seemed like Luisa 202 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 5: was pretty young. And I'm not saying that people who 203 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 5: are that age can't like internalize these things, but I 204 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 5: don't know how do y'all feel about that? Were these 205 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 5: are kinds of conversations you were having with like any 206 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 5: adult figures who were in your life, like in your 207 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 5: adolescent times, about like anarcho cynicalism, and like, I don't 208 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 5: know what do y'all think about that? 209 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: I would say, I am like a very I was 210 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: not at that level at all, but my family was 211 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: very political. My dad was a professor, so we would 212 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: like over the dinner table, have these debates isn't even 213 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: the right word, just like discussions about it. But of 214 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: course I was quite young, so I'm sure I don't 215 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: know how educated I sounded, or like how great the points. 216 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: I was making were. But we were having like political. 217 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Discussions when I was at least middle school, and my 218 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: older brother was way more into it than me, so 219 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: not the same level, but kind of. 220 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: No answer is just no, I'm like I would still 221 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: have to look up some of those words today. 222 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: Oh, it's just being very honest. 223 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: We didn't talk about politics much, and because I come 224 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 4: from a very conservative family that wasn't highly educated, it 225 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: was mainly just of like, don't talk about it, talk 226 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: about Jesus only in the story. 227 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I could imagine, like just between the two of y'all, 228 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 5: that's a huge range on the spectrum of the kinds 229 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 5: of conversations that y'all were having when you were children. 230 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 5: And I just think about it because I try to 231 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 5: imagine the context of like someone like this who was 232 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 5: involved in organizing and who has a political consciousness across continents, 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 5: you know, and across a certain period of time, Like 234 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 5: how were they thinking when they were young, and like 235 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 5: what kinds of conversations did they have with the people 236 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 5: who were in their lives, whether they were peers or 237 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 5: they were. 238 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: Like older than them. 239 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 5: So it's interesting to see the kinds of works that 240 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 5: she was reading and imagine those conversations, because we don't 241 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 5: have audio of those kinds versations, we don't have documentation 242 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 5: of them. So I think it's just something interesting to 243 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 5: ponder as we think about how Luisa Capetillo the organizer 244 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 5: came into being. At some point when Luisa was young, 245 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 5: her father left and didn't come back, and her mother 246 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 5: mostly raised her from then, and sometimes she even went 247 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 5: to work with her mom, and this is how she 248 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 5: met Monuel Ledesma. Manuel was the son of the leader 249 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 5: of the Unconditional Spanish Party, which was a loyalist conservative party, 250 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 5: and she had two children with Monuel in the late 251 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 5: eighteen nineties, and their names were Manuela and Gregorio. And 252 00:14:53,800 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 5: Manuel is of a higher class than Luisa is, and 253 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 5: there were of course these conceptions around gender and around relationships, 254 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 5: and Luisa was expected to care for her children, but 255 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 5: the children lived with Luisa's mother, while Louisa kind of 256 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 5: went back and forth between households and someone of Manuel's 257 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 5: stature he was higher class. He was in this kind 258 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 5: of upity family that was involved in politics, and he 259 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: wasn't supposed to mix with someone of the working class 260 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: like Luisa, especially with the kind of arrangement that they 261 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 5: had and their relationship ended, but he did keep supporting 262 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 5: the children financially, and Luisa also worked as a seamstress 263 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 5: to support her children. So one thing that I've seen 264 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 5: brought up in sources too, is about how the children 265 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: had to deal with the different, like kind of political 266 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 5: ideologies between the two of them, because Louisa was not 267 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 5: a loyalist in the Conservative Party. And I don't really 268 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 5: know how the children responded to that. I know that 269 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 5: they were pulled in different directions because of their different 270 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 5: ideologies and what they would have imagined for their futures. 271 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 5: But I am also curious like about, like in that 272 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 5: moment at the time, as they were growing up, how 273 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 5: they reconciled the information that they were getting from their parents, 274 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 5: because Manuel and Louisa weren't together, but Momuel seemed like 275 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 5: he did stick around for Manuela and Gregorio and was 276 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: still in their lives even beyond when they separated. But yeah, 277 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: Louisa starts to get into her organizing life. So she 278 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 5: starts writing her first articles for local newspapers. Around nineteen 279 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: oh four, she starts working in garment factory and she 280 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 5: goes to strikes and she becomes involved with the Free 281 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 5: Federation of Workers of Puerto Rico. And I'll call that 282 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 5: the FLT from here on because that remains in her story. 283 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 5: But the organization followed anarcho Synicolas principles, and Luisa also 284 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 5: joined the Tobacco Workers Union and she became a reader 285 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 5: or what was known as electora in a cigar factory 286 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 5: and she was paid to read to people while they worked. 287 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 5: Could you like that sounds like a great job? Like 288 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 5: I mean, just from my bias perspective, like showing up 289 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 5: and reading to people is amazing, but like honestly, practically 290 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 5: like it was really good because there were a lot. 291 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: Of people who couldn't read. 292 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 5: And obviously this is a service that she like loves 293 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 5: doing and has clearly had a background through how her 294 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 5: parents raised her and her education that she got in 295 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 5: the home, and she wasn't just reading anything to them, 296 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 5: so she would read to them while they were she 297 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 5: got paid for it, but she would read things like 298 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 5: news and political theory, and so people's consciousnesses were raising 299 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 5: through the work that she was doing. She would be 300 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 5: seated on this raised platform, surrounded by these workers, and 301 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 5: she would start reading newspapers, and then she would also 302 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 5: read chapters from novels, so if there was she could 303 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 5: like serialize a novel over time and read a novel 304 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 5: to a person by reading chapters every time she was there. 305 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 5: So people are learning about labor organizing around the world. 306 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 5: They're learning philosophy while she's there, and they're also getting 307 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 5: to enjoy fictional narratives while they're working. So Luisa also 308 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 5: publishes articles in progressive publications like the flt's newspaper Union Operera, 309 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 5: and folks get familiar with her work as electora and 310 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 5: as a journalist. She participates in more agricultural strikes and 311 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 5: ramps up her organizing work, so people are listening to 312 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 5: what she's saying. They're rallying as she tries to bring 313 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 5: farmers together in factory workers together, and she's writing and 314 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 5: lecturing about workers' rights, about women's rights, and about collective liberation. 315 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 5: So in nineteen oh seven she published her first book 316 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 5: in SCIOs Libertarios and here is part of the beginning 317 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 5: of that book, education is the basis of happiness for 318 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 5: all people. Teach under the canopy of truth, tear off 319 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 5: the veil of ignorance, and show the true light of progress, 320 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 5: free from all rights and dogmas. Practice fellowship in order 321 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: to tighten the bonds that should unite humanity from one 322 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 5: end to another, regardless of race or belief. Ignorance is 323 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 5: the cause of the worst crimes. And in just this 324 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 5: is and that's the end of that quote. So in 325 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 5: that book she talks about the workers struggles and how 326 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: they're up against the greed and exploitation of these wealthy capitalists. 327 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: She began traveling across Puerto Rico. 328 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 5: She was lecturing on behalf of the FLT, and she 329 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 5: was writing articles for labor papers, and she also edited 330 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 5: a publication called La Mujer which means the Woman. And 331 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 5: don't think any of the work that she edited for 332 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 5: that publication or that publication is available to read today, 333 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 5: but there is a lot of her other work that 334 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 5: you can read. In nineteen ten, she published her second book, 335 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 5: Humanity in the Future, and in that book, she advocates 336 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 5: for free love, she advocates for vegetarianism, health reform, education. 337 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 5: These are things that'll come up across her work as 338 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 5: her philosophy continues to expand and as she continues to organize. 339 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 3: In nineteen eleven, she. 340 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 5: Published My Opinion about the Freedom's Rights and Duties of 341 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 5: the Woman, And some folks have considered that kind of 342 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 5: like the first feminist treatise published in Puerto Rico, but 343 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 5: it's definitely an early one. And she talks about sex work, 344 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 5: she talks about religion, and she talks about sexual oppression 345 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 5: and marriage, and she advocates for the comprehensive education of women. 346 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 5: And that same year, nineteen eleven, she has a child 347 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 5: with a pharmacist who happened to be married, and. 348 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: That child's name. 349 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 5: Was Louise, and the pharmacist doesn't recognize Louis as his 350 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 5: child unfortunately, and Louise goes back to live with his 351 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 5: siblings and Louise's mom, and his situation is a little 352 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 5: different from Mamuela and Gregorio's because you know, their father 353 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 5: was in their life, but in this case, Luis's father 354 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 5: is not in his life. 355 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: So he. 356 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 5: Forms a lot of his consciousness around Louisa alone, and 357 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 5: he gets to travel with her sometimes as well, but 358 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: he does spend time with his siblings and Luisa's mom. 359 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 5: So Luisa herself she believed that motherhood is important, but 360 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 5: that women's role should extend beyond the domestic sphere. So 361 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 5: she recognizes oh motherhood and how that plays a role 362 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 5: in how people develop their consciousnesses and how they're raised 363 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 5: and how society works. But she doesn't believe that women's 364 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: work should just stop right there. And she also advocated 365 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 5: for women's voting rights as part though of this larger 366 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 5: working class agenda. So a lot of other people in 367 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: Puerto Rico at the time were more so thinking about 368 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 5: women's voting rights going to educated women versus Luisa thought 369 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 5: about it more and fellow anarcho syndicalists who were in 370 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 5: alignment with her and her ideals, as this is something 371 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 5: that all women should, no matter the stature, should be 372 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 5: involved in. If we're going to use voting as a 373 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 5: means to power, then all women should have access to voting. 374 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 5: She started wearing pants too, so these helped her moves 375 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 5: around all the spatusem so she was traveling a lot, 376 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 5: she was going through fields, she was going through factory 377 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 5: so the pants probably just as I said earlier from 378 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 5: a practical standpoint, made a lot of sense for her 379 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 5: to wear, but it also may have helped her blend 380 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 5: in better with the men who were leaders in the FLT. 381 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 5: So there were a lot of men who were part 382 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 5: of these organizations, and she was one of the fewer 383 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 5: number of women who were leaders in the labor organizations, 384 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 5: and so this helped her kind of assimilarly in a way, 385 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 5: or be like less and more conspicuous at the same 386 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 5: time in an odd way, because she wasn't dressing like 387 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 5: other women, but at the same time she was like 388 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 5: blending in. So that's where the pants story starts. And 389 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 5: you can see pictures of her wearing these outfits too, 390 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 5: which is pretty cool. So she visited the US and 391 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 5: Cuba in nineteen twelve, and she went to New York, 392 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 5: she went to Tampa, Florida, and she went to Havana, Cuba, 393 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 5: and she was moving through these intellectual and political circles 394 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 5: and writing for local anarchists and labor papers in New York, 395 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 5: working as a journalist, and she was working as electora 396 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 5: in a cigar factory in Aybor City in Tampa, and 397 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 5: she began writing her last book while she was there 398 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 5: in ay Boar City in nineteen thirteen, and Abor City, 399 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 5: which is the neighborhood in Tampa, was a hub for 400 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 5: diverse anarchists and socialists. So it wasn't like she was 401 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 5: like one of a kind while she was there. There 402 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 5: were a lot of people from different places who were 403 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 5: involved in that manner of political ideology. So there were 404 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 5: also anarchists. There were also socialists who were there who 405 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 5: were involved in labor organizing. There were also other electorists 406 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 5: forgive me Spanish for those of y'all who speak Spanish. 407 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, who were there. 408 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 5: There were mostly men, and that was the case in 409 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 5: Puerto Rico as well, and that was the case here 410 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 5: in Tampa. So it was mostly men who did this job. 411 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 5: It was fewer women who did it. And so she 412 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 5: was introducing these feminist ideas to the ideas they were 413 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: bringing to the table. But she wasn't the only one 414 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 5: who It was not like something necessarily they had. 415 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: Not heard before. 416 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 5: They might not have her her specific brand of like 417 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 5: how she was bringing her ideology as a suffragist into it. 418 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 5: But she she was in good company, so to say. 419 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 5: And by nineteen thirteen she published a second edition of 420 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 5: her nineteen eleven book My opinion. She continued doing her 421 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 5: organizing work, but by nineteen fifteen she had moved to 422 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 5: Cuba and she was working with the Anarchist Federation and 423 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 5: she helped sugarcane workers during a strike, and she supported 424 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 5: a manifesto that denounced the government for trying to suppress 425 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 5: labor uprisings. And on July twenty fourth, nineteen fifteen, in Havana, Cuba, 426 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 5: she was arrested for what they considered dressing like a 427 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 5: man in public, which meant that she was wearing a 428 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: jack get, a tie and a hat. So she was 429 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 5: back in Puerto Rico by nineteen sixteen, and that year 430 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 5: she published her fourth in her last book, Influencias de 431 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 5: las Adillas modern and Us. And there are plays, stories 432 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 5: and letters in this last book as well. So she 433 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 5: helped lead strikes, walkouts and protests now that she's back 434 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 5: here in Puerto Rico, and of course she gets pushed 435 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 5: back from authorities from the work that she was doing. 436 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 5: In nineteen eighteen, she was arrested in jail for what 437 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 5: they considered in citing a riot, and she was fined, 438 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 5: but her supporters raised the money and she got out 439 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 5: and from nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty, she traveled between 440 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 5: the Caribbean and the US. She was running a boarding house, 441 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 5: and she was participating in political debates, and by nineteen 442 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: twenty one she was back in Puerto Rico though, so 443 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 5: she was campaigning for candidates for the Socialist Workers Party. 444 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: But at some point during all this moving around that 445 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 5: she was doing, she got tuberculosis and she was struggling 446 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 5: with her health and she died in Puerto Rico on 447 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 5: April tenth, nineteen twenty two. So she did a lot 448 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 5: in her life, even though she died when she was 449 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 5: relatively younger. But her organizing, you know, really crossed borders, 450 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 5: coming from the Caribbean to the United States. And also, 451 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 5: just like her upbringing, took place at a time when 452 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: a lot was changing in Puerto Rico. So I think 453 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 5: her story is very fascinating. And clearly she was also 454 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 5: a stylish person, so I appreciate that too. 455 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: Yes, she was those pictures listeners, look them up. 456 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: She was fashion forward. 457 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: She was fashion forward, but also yeah, practical. It just 458 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: made sense. There's so much I love about her story. 459 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: She has a lot of great quotes, and you know, 460 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: we love quotes over here, so also go look that 461 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: up listeners. Just a lot of interesting thoughts about religion 462 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: and anarchy that I thought was that was fascinating because 463 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, we like talking about religion here. Yeah huh, 464 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, like you said, it's the perspective of this 465 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: is really useful because we are having so many of 466 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: these conversations still, but seeing it from her viewpoint, similar 467 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: things from her viewpoint, I think is incredibly valuable. And 468 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: also I kind of love she called her book My Opinion. 469 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Like I know it's the longer title, but I like 470 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: that it's called my Opinion. I actual really appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, 471 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: because it just feels so confident in a way. I guess, 472 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: like because if you're getting the book, you're you're like saying, 473 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: I want to get my opinion. 474 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: It feels very right. 475 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: She's going to influence you with the her thoughts and 476 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: the way she's thought about them and written about them. 477 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: I love it. 478 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: I love it, but not in an evangelizing way. 479 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: No, no, no no, because. 480 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 5: It's like I have authority, but I'm still telling you 481 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 5: this is like from my particular viewpoint, so I'm not 482 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 5: trying to force this down your throat. I'm just saying 483 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 5: I have a lot of these thoughts and they have 484 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 5: great basis, and I've done a lot of work in 485 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 5: these areas, and i have something to say about it. 486 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna publish it. 487 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I love it. I love it so much. 488 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 4: And just thinking about about the first conversation we were 489 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 4: having when we were talking about did you talk about 490 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 4: politics like this as a child? 491 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: And I was like, nah, so. 492 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 4: Her dut she was my age, she died around my age, 493 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 4: And looking back at what she did, I'm like, damn, 494 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 4: I'm behind. 495 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, this Samantha stop it just all the time. 496 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: But the fact that she was such a force and 497 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: such an influence on unionizing as well as labor organization, 498 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 4: that's huge in itself, because that's still a conversation and 499 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 4: a big need that's happening. 500 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: All around the world today. 501 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: And the fact that it's still something is contentious like 502 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 4: that is something that we do need to talk about, 503 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 4: especially when we're talking about Puerto Rico in itself. In 504 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 4: the history of Puerto Rico and the US is not pretty. 505 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: And the fact that that's. 506 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: Still on the table and discussion and seeing what she 507 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 4: has done and what she has done to influence so 508 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 4: much in feminism and get unionization and all of that. 509 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: That's a lot, and that is a lot she's in 510 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: her short life that she has accomplished, and that's amazing 511 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 4: to see it. And I'm glad we've got those records 512 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: and also the pictures. 513 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 5: And also the pictures, and speaking of the records, like 514 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 5: shout out to all the people who translated her work 515 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 5: from Spanish to English, because if it weren't for those people, 516 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 5: then people like me, silly Americans who can only speak English, 517 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 5: would not be able to access her work without having 518 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 5: like somebody else to help translate. So to the translators 519 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 5: who translated her work and who translate everything else to 520 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 5: allow us to learn more about people, because I think 521 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 5: outside of Puerto Rico, I mean I think maybe even 522 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 5: in Puerto Rico it could like it's been helpful the 523 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: work that scholars have done to uplift her legacy, but 524 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 5: like outside of Puerto Rico, outside of the Caribbeans, like 525 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: the work that the scholars and historians have done to 526 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 5: uplift her legacy, which seemingly deserve to be and was 527 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 5: like covered as many other people we talk about on 528 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 5: Female First have been that the work that they were 529 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 5: able to do to uplift it has been really helpful. 530 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: Sure, yes, Yes, always appreciate translators who help us talk 531 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: about important topics around the world. 532 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: And we always. 533 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate you Eve for bringing people we might not have 534 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: heard of and giving these stories and all of this context. 535 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: So thank you so much as always for being here. 536 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: You're welcome, happy to be here, per usual. 537 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: Yay, Where can the good listeners find you? 538 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 3: You can find me on the internet. 539 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 5: You can just go to Eves Jeffcote dot com and 540 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 5: then you can find all the other things from there. 541 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 5: My name is spelled yvees j E F F co 542 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: A T. 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