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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic, gentleman. Is this what we

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Speaker 1: Is this what we call a radio studio? Are we

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Speaker 1: the line to everyone stay off any of the bandwidth

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Speaker 1: because we're recording, you know, none of them. We don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about any of those disadvantages and distractions

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Speaker 1: because wait for it, we're actually sitting in the Dignity

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Speaker 1: we not, Darren Urban and Collahoda Garden. Yeah, and my

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Speaker 1: And right, I'm a little bit worried because if we

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Speaker 1: dip into leadership talk on this podcast now you can

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Speaker 1: physically come across the table and take me out. So please,

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Speaker 1: no leadership talk on this podcast. Security has been alerted

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Speaker 1: it that way now. And now, people who are calling

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Speaker 1: me a somebody who was stirring up the stuff a

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Speaker 1: real reason for it. So no residuals for your dogs.

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Speaker 1: Kyle they're no longer actually part of the podcast, so

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Speaker 1: no more claims than any sort of you know, rights

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Speaker 1: fees or what have you. I'm gonna miss the tiny

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Speaker 1: dinosaur in the very backup, you know, Darren. No more

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Speaker 1: relying on your nineteen year old pernice sort of quick research.

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Speaker 1: So you know you're on your own now. Your keister's

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. I'm not sure what is more

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Speaker 1: shocking speaking of Darren, the reality of being back in

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Speaker 1: that hits you hard bro, possibility that our own Darren

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Speaker 1: Please tell I feel like I'm on the outside looking

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Speaker 1: out of control already. H Yeah. Our good friend Felipe,

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Speaker 1: today perfect And he had originally said, as a Suns fan,

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Speaker 1: Larry getting into it, and I got photoshops of me

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Speaker 1: I see, I see, But Larry, Larry. The only reason

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Speaker 1: you know, Larry's doesn't It's not like he's like putting

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Speaker 1: all right, So ask not what your neck tattoo can

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Speaker 1: And somebody please break it down for me. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a good question, Paul. I mean, there's still I

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Speaker 1: my vacation plans. Kyle, You know, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: there will be more mini camps, there will be more

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Speaker 1: offseason practice. That is true. We can't interrupt anyone's life.

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Speaker 1: league is aiming for everybody to start at the same

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Speaker 1: time on midnight July twenty six, I think is like

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Speaker 1: Here's here's here, here's how this goes though, because and

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Speaker 1: Late in the game, you're trying to get first downs

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Speaker 1: and run out the clock. You're going to bring in

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Speaker 1: a big, bruising running back who can move the chains

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Speaker 1: and move the pile late in the game. So for

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Speaker 1: such a young guy, he's always just had a good

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Speaker 1: grip on reality and the business reality of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It feels like he could be a GM someday if

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Speaker 1: that's what he really wanted to do. He does it,

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Speaker 1: wants to be a GM or a coach. And that's

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Speaker 1: how he said he looked at He's like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking at it from my self point of view. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at as a GM or a coach. That's why

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Speaker 1: Naji made sense because him and James Connor in the

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Speaker 1: last years of their deal, they know, he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're in kind of this wind now mode where Naji

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Speaker 1: could have contributed. He completely got it from an analyst perspective.

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Speaker 1: It's just funny that he's talking like that, even though

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Speaker 1: it would have severely affected him if it happened. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing was he defined a twenty touch guy.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody is a twenty carry running back, he said,

447
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Speaker 1: but I can still be a twenty touch guy, meaning

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Speaker 1: fifteen carries in five receptions. There's sixteen carries and four receptions.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty astute observation on his part. Look,

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Speaker 1: the reality is this, you can if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: a player and you want to be able to push yourself.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what positioning, player, whatever. You want to

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Speaker 1: believe the best in yourself. You want to believe you

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Speaker 1: can be the guy. Every receiver wants to believe he

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Speaker 1: can pull in ten catches a game and get all

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Speaker 1: these yards. Every running back wants to believe that he

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Speaker 1: can carry at twenty to twenty five times a game

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Speaker 1: if he just got the opportunity. He didn't. But everybody's

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Speaker 1: not built like that. And one of the things I

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Speaker 1: like about you know that point, and Kylie pointed out

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Speaker 1: earlier the mixing up of the touches is Chase understands

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Speaker 1: that his optimum level to make him I don't I'm

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Speaker 1: not necessarily going to say make him a star, but

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Speaker 1: making him a really good starting running back is not

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Speaker 1: going to be getting those twenty five carries. If you

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Speaker 1: give him twenty five carries, he is not going to

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Speaker 1: do as well as he could, and it's just going

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Speaker 1: to reflect poorly on him. So why wouldn't you try

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Speaker 1: and have a somewhat realistic viewpoint of Hey, if I'm

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Speaker 1: this guy, if I'm Andy Isabella, I'm probably not going

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Speaker 1: to be a guy getting a dozen catches for one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards a game. But if I do

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Speaker 1: this role really well, you know, maybe that's my opt

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Speaker 1: That's where I optimize myself in the pros. I think

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Speaker 1: I think if more players did that, they might come

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Speaker 1: out a little bit more ahead. I think fifteen or

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Speaker 1: sixteen might be a little bit on the optimistic end.

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Speaker 1: I still think if he got sixteen carries and four

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Speaker 1: or five catches a game, that might wear him down

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Speaker 1: because of his frame by the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: But I could definitely see twelve thirteen carries. I think

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Speaker 1: four or five catches a game is realistic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you see how much he's improved in the passing game.

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Speaker 1: It's been stark to me. Where he came in as

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Speaker 1: a rookie i'd say below average and now clearly above

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Speaker 1: average as a receiver, once again a testament to his

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Speaker 1: hard work. So maybe in that fifteen to seventeen touch

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Speaker 1: range just kind of how I see it. But like

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Speaker 1: we've said, I mean, the world is his oyster. If

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Speaker 1: he comes in and and averages five yards a carry

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Speaker 1: like he's basically done the last two seasons, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna want to keep that guy on the bench. And

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Speaker 1: he might not have the analytics of Rondel Moore in college,

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Speaker 1: but you get the ball to room in space Odzar,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make that first tackler miss. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: I love about Chase out of the backfield. So to

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Speaker 1: recap some of those quotes to Kyle and the Easy

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com, he didn't say, indeed say it's now

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Speaker 1: or never when it comes to this fourth year his

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Speaker 1: rookie contract year, right, and he said I got to

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Speaker 1: make the most of it. He did actually say I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to run through a damn wall. I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: prove myself right now. And he finished it up by saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go out there and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: ball out this year. Let's see, as I flipped through

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Speaker 1: the article he talked about, Yeah, he knows there's doubts

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Speaker 1: about the frame, you know, and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: He also said, I believe if I have twenty touches

509
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Speaker 1: in a game, I can make some special things happen.

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Speaker 1: Quote end quote. I thought that was And then about

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Speaker 1: his number, he said, you know what, when I felt

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Speaker 1: like I was the man, it was deuce, meaning he

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Speaker 1: was wearing twenty two. Now he's going with two. That's

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Speaker 1: what everybody called me deuce. Now I went back to

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Speaker 1: number two, and hopefully I can change my life. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty heavy, Yeah, it was. I mean, he's all in

517
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Speaker 1: dude this upcoming year. So that's gonna be fun to watch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like a sub narrative all all season long.

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Speaker 1: And my question to the I'm ready to run through

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Speaker 1: a damn wall answer was do you feel pressure because

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Speaker 1: we've been talking the whole interview about all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: He goes, no, it's full speed ahead. I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: run through a damn wall. So he's he knows, he

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Speaker 1: knows it's heavy, but he's also I mean, obviously it

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Speaker 1: kind of is easy to see in those quotes, but

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Speaker 1: he's so excited about this opportunity and he, like all

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Speaker 1: these guys, he's got ultra belief and what he can

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Speaker 1: do I think the offense fits him really well, and

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Speaker 1: I wrote he has he's average four point yard four

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Speaker 1: point eight yards per carry under Cliff Kingsbury. That was

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Speaker 1: also with these last two games last year where he

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Speaker 1: was playing on a really bad ankle, to the point

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Speaker 1: where nobody thought he was going to play in that

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Speaker 1: season finale against the Rams, and he played at three

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Speaker 1: carries for negative three yards, was run around on one leg.

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Speaker 1: So without that, he's at about five yards area Undercliff.

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Speaker 1: So I think the offense fits him well. And now

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Speaker 1: it's just with a bigger workload. Canny continue to do it?

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Speaker 1: All right? How about this on Cardinals Underground, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read a quote for Darren Irman. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna tell me the player. Here we go, all right,

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Speaker 1: we just had the Chase Edmonds quotes. Identify the following

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Speaker 1: player who said, and I quote, I say it every year.

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Speaker 1: I'm only scratching the surface of my potential end quote.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing there's a reason I selected you, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and I read that particular quote, hint, hint, at are

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Speaker 1: you saying, I don't scratch my surface now. I was

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Speaker 1: in my car talking to Christian Kirk the other day

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Speaker 1: when he mentioned these same words. Dang, Christian Kirk was

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Speaker 1: as long as this last year has felt, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: felt like five years. The fact that you have Christian

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Speaker 1: Kirk and Chase Edmonds twenty eighteen draft class, both going

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Speaker 1: into their fourth year, it's just crazy. I mean, you know,

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00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: hashtag don't blink, right, So all of a sudden, these

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00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: guys have some very instrumental years, not only for the

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00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals but in the hit zoom out their NFL careers.

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Speaker 1: Right now, did you get that same sense of urgency

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00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: when you talk to Christian kirkdarn yeah. You know, Christian

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00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: wasn't somebody who was coming up with the awesome. There

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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: were still good quotes. Chase might be a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer with quotes sometimes, so there's that, but no, Christian

563
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: was great. He also very much understands where he stands,

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Speaker 1: and he's in a different place than Chase. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think at this point Chase Edmonds, it's been about

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. I think with Christian, he knows that the

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: opportunity has been there and he just hasn't been able

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Speaker 1: to seize it as much as he would have liked.

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Speaker 1: And there was a stretch there early in the season,

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Speaker 1: not right out of the box, but for I think

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Speaker 1: weeks five through ten something like that, where he adds

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Speaker 1: like six touchdowns and it looked like he was going

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Speaker 1: to be that deep threat they need, did and all

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00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: that stuff, and it just kind of dried up on him.

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Speaker 1: And look, we know what the situation is. He was

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Speaker 1: playing outside, they were using Larry Fitzgerald in the slot.

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Speaker 1: Now you sign aj Green, it makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense to put Christian Kirk in the slot, although when

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Speaker 1: I asked him about his role, he still played vague

580
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Speaker 1: and said, we'll have to see what Cliff wants to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's because he doesn't know yet

582
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: or if he just prefers to defer to like not

583
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Speaker 1: making a big deal about what Cliff wants to do,

584
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Speaker 1: kind of keep it a secret. But it just makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense for Christian to be in the

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Speaker 1: slot a little bit, share time with Rondale Moore or

587
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: four wide receivers situations, you've got those four guys, assuming,

588
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: of course, Fits isn't back and and he basically said, look,

589
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Speaker 1: I talk, I've talked a lot, and now's the time

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00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: to do less talking and more playing essentially, And uh.

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Speaker 1: And he made it clear, and I didn't put it

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Speaker 1: in the story. He's not saying And he's always been

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Speaker 1: one of the best for us in terms of talking

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Speaker 1: to us and giving us quotes and being with He

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00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: made it clear. It's it's not like he's gonna all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden shut down interviews and not talk to reporters.

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00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: But I think he's a little tired, just like we

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Speaker 1: would be about hearing the question, if he's a little

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Speaker 1: tired about answering the question about like, Okay, are you

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: gonna break out here? Are you gonna be you know,

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Speaker 1: the second round wide receiver everybody wants. And I mean

602
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: that's been the expectation his second year and his third year,

603
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: where he had a good rookie year and it felt like, okay,

604
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Speaker 1: without these great receiving options, Christian Kirk could be a

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Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver. I know I said that going into

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Speaker 1: a second year and also going into his third year

607
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out. So he's almost nipping in

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Speaker 1: the bud, like is this going to be the narrative again,

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Speaker 1: Am I going to break out? Like he feels like

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Speaker 1: I didn't my first two tries when we talked about

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Speaker 1: it and I said, I feel like I'm going to

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to say that again because it

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Speaker 1: just feels like it's old had and it's just something

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Speaker 1: where we keep asking him and he says yeah. So

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00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: now it's like, Okay, I just want to show that

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do it instead of instead of saying

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Speaker 1: I believe in myself. He's got a high belief in

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Speaker 1: himself and he thinks he's gonna do it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: internally he feels like he's going to show everybody that

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Speaker 1: I'm not this guy who's going to flame out, that

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Speaker 1: I'm a legit guy who can be a number two

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Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL. And now he just doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to say it. He wants to do it. And I

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Speaker 1: did note in my head when he said something along

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Speaker 1: the lines of I have a lot to prove to everybody,

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Speaker 1: including the NFL or something like that. Where As a

627
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: guy going into his contract year, he understands that, you know,

628
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: some of the things that he needs to show out

629
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Speaker 1: there might not just be for the Cardinals, it might

630
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Speaker 1: not have to be for another team, and he wants

631
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Speaker 1: to make sure that people are paying attention to him,

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Speaker 1: you know, use the word vague earlier. That's what I

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Speaker 1: think of when I think a Christian Kurt right now.

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Speaker 1: He had that stretch one month or so into the

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Speaker 1: season where he got really hot and a big catch

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Speaker 1: obviously a Dallas, but then the number sam looking at

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00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: it right here, from Week ten through week fifteen, he

638
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: was really quiet. Eighteen catches, only one hundred forty five

639
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: yards to those six games, and no touchdowns. And it

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Speaker 1: seemed like when a lot of people were asked about

641
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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk, there was always sort of a curious or

642
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: inquisitive sort of yeah, you know, not exactly sure, What's

643
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: like there was something else going on? Was he being misused?

644
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: Was he being outside too much because Larry was inside?

645
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Is he now poised for a breakout season because of

646
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: the fact that with aj Green outside, he'll be more inside.

647
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Was there something else going on in his personal life?

648
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm just this was the thought process I had watching

649
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk last year and listening to not only him

650
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: but some of the coaches talk about him, and I

651
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: just it just seemed perplexing as to what exactly happened

652
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: to Christian Kirk last year. I mean, I think from

653
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: a early football perspective, he's not the elite speed guy

654
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: and he's not super tall that's gonna win like those

655
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: jump balls like DeAndre Hopkins has. So I do think

656
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: playing outside hurts him a little bit. I think he's

657
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: a more natural slot and I think this is his

658
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: best NFL position, And I'm excited to see him in

659
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: an air raid type offense where I think he really

660
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: fits a slot air raid guy, where he can do

661
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: the bubble screens and some of those precise intermediate routes

662
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: and you know, you run mesh with Rondale Moore and

663
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: that'll be fun. And there's certain things. But you also

664
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: wonder now about target share, because he had every opportunity

665
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: in the world to get a bunch of passes really

666
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: all three seasons he's been with the Cardinals because the

667
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps hasn't been great. And now you've got

668
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore and AJ Green and you've still got hop

669
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: and we haven't even mentioned Julio Jones yet. He's coming, right, Paul,

670
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: And social media says so The question is how like

671
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: Chris and Kirk has to perform in order to get targets.

672
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: And it's got to be quick because it's a what

673
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: have you done for me lately? League? And it's easy

674
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: to see him either having a really nice season and

675
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: showing he's a perfect slot receiver or getting lost a

676
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: little bit and not getting as many targets as he's

677
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: used to. So I think the like, the spectrum of

678
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: possibilities this season for Christian Kirk is really big, and

679
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to see how it unfolds for him in

680
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I mean, having fifty million or so

681
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: between two receivers DeAndre Hopkins and Julio Jones. I mean,

682
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: you're telling me that's not feasible. As Darren shakes his

683
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: head over there, Okay, all right, look to me Christian Kirk.

684
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: The bottom line is, well, defensive coordinators have to account

685
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: for Christian Kirk this year or not. Is he going

686
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: to be a difference maker? Is he going to be

687
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: that playmaker that puts some fear into defensive coordinators. He's

688
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: not going to be there as on a Cardinals number

689
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: one receiver. We know that, not with de Hoop around,

690
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: but is he going to be someone that defensive coordinators

691
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: have to think about? It makes me it's sort of

692
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: the inverse of pre Chandler Jones. One of the reasons

693
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: that Cardinals went out and made the trade for Chandler

694
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Jones was ostensibly, you know, there wasn't a single pass

695
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: rusher the Arizona Cardinals had that offensive coordinators had to

696
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: worry about. And you want Christian Kirk, as a former

697
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: second round pick, to be someone that the opposing defense

698
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: has to worry about. And there have been those moments,

699
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: but there hasn't been that arrival yet. Let me ask

700
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: this question to the two of you. You guys can

701
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: each answer it how you see fit. What is harder

702
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: for a defensive coordinator to deal with Hop on one side,

703
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk on the outside on the other side, and

704
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald in the slot, or Hop on one side,

705
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: AJ Green on the other side and Christian Kirk in

706
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the slot, which is more difficult to defend? The ladder? Yeah,

707
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: I would say if AJ Green actually gets some targets

708
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: that are catchable this year, then I would go with

709
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: the ladder. I'd go with the AJ Green equation. Yes,

710
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean if I would tend to agree with and

711
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: if you do, if you're saying that, then I do

712
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: think that Christian Kirk can make an impact because I

713
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: just automatically, I think defenses are gonna have to defend

714
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the field a little bit differently. As

715
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: Kyle tells us, they're going ten personnel with Rondale Moore

716
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: as the swing guy, so the Tyreek Hill and that

717
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: whole thing. So it'll be four receivers and then Christian

718
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: Kirk really will have single coverage. Yeah, And I think

719
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: de Hop is obviously always going to be the number.

720
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: One way defenses want to stop the Cardinals is to

721
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: take him away, and Kyler running around is number two

722
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: or one A. And I don't think Christian Kirk rises

723
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: to that level. I mean, if we look at it

724
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: from another team's perspective, he's about a seven hundred eight

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: hundred yard receiver type guy, and you look at other

726
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: teams that come in and those type of guys, you're

727
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: not game planning to stop them. So until he becomes

728
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: a legitimate, you know, thousand yard guy, and maybe he

729
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: does get into the slot and he's a big time

730
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: new sense and he turns into a Julian Edelman or somebody,

731
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: because I think Christian Kirk is a very good route runner,

732
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: and I think he's smart, and I think it could work.

733
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: But until he shows that, I don't think defenses early

734
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: in the season are going in saying where's Christian Kirk.

735
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: I think it's where's de Hoop, Where's Kyler? And we'll

736
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: see what rondel Moore does. But with his speed, with

737
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: his short area quickness, I think maybe early on, if

738
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: he picks it up, teams are keeping an eye on him,

739
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: like we thought that might be the end as a

740
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Bella role. But if if rondel Moore is going in

741
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: motion and faking these jet sweeps, I think that's getting

742
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: a defense's attention more so the Christian. By the way,

743
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: if Larry Fitzgerald comes back, because there's always a way

744
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: to just shoehorn number eleven into the podcast here, is

745
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: there really a spot for him? Where does he fit?

746
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: If Larry Fitzgerald comes back, If we're all sitting here

747
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: in the trust Tree and we're being as realistic as

748
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds and Christian Kirk and being as honest, what

749
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: exactly would his role be? I think that's an excellent question.

750
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: And that's why it just makes a lot of sense

751
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: for you to it back and say it looks like

752
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: he's probably going to retire, because where where does he play?

753
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: And the problem Larry has now is if somebody says, well,

754
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: then he should just go somewhere else. Well, the Cardinals

755
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: aren't the only team that's basically set up their roster already,

756
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I thought we figured it out.

757
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: He's the number one locker room teaser. Oh, the only

758
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: scenario being realistic? Stir, Yeah, the only thing feasible. And

759
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but if Andy Isabella isn't

760
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: tracking to make this team, then Larry's the fifth receiver.

761
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Does Larry Fitzer want to be the fifth receiver? That's

762
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: the only scenario with which I can see that that's plausible. No, No,

763
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: I won't go with the tight end. They just signed

764
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: another tight end by the way this week, and you know,

765
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: and Psycho Bernhard feel the burn Bernhard Psycho Vets is

766
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: getting so much attention internationally that you know they're gonna

767
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: ride that wave, just like the Tim Tebow or he signings.

768
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: He's getting so much. He's getting so much attention that

769
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: the PR woman for the Vienna Vikings. His team has

770
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: recently retweeted the tattoo tweet and Austria is now number

771
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: eight on our most downloaded podcast list So shout shout

772
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: out Austria and maybe we can get them up to

773
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: like top five after this episode. I would have known

774
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: that I would have pandered to the Austria Austrian the

775
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: listeners a little earlier in the podcast, So that's good.

776
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: Wasn't Cambodia on that top ten? And I'm still trying

777
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: to figure out how you can always get worse, Daron.

778
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: And if your neck tattoo goes international, boom, there you go.

779
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: That's how that works. That's uh, that's good. We build

780
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: that international European audience over there, and then that's the

781
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: next international game for the Arizona Cardinals. You guys all

782
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: think it's going to be Mexico City. Oh no, not

783
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: at all. By the way, speaking of Rondel Moore, you

784
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: guys can have your quotes over there on easy cardinals

785
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: dot com. You got a good one, Paul. You know

786
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: you guys can have your pictures splashed above the fold

787
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: on asy cardinals dot com and all your tweets retweeted

788
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: while the rest of us go two plus years about

789
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: a single retweet whatever, whatever. We had Director of Player

790
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Personnel Drew Grigson on the Big Red Rage, and he

791
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: had some good stuff to say about Rondale Moore. Here's

792
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: one for you. When he hits it straight line, it's unbelievable,

793
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: said Grigson. But this kid's ability to move laterally, this

794
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: kid teleports, he doesn't just change directions. It's unbelievable to watch.

795
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: He's a video game in real life. I heard one

796
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: of the defensive coaches say the other day quote, this

797
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: kid looks quick and slow motion. I'm excited to see

798
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: him for seventeen games for US. Drew Grigson on Rondale Moore. Everybody,

799
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: now we're on fire this week just getting good quotes.

800
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: Was that you are wolf that asked the question, though

801
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure because Wolfe's not here to defend himself

802
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: that it was absolutely entirely yours, truly. There you go, yep, yep.

803
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of newsbreakers around this table. And he

804
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: also called Rondale Moore arguably the best run after catch

805
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: guy in the draft, because look, you can have the

806
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: straight line speed all you want and a lot of guys,

807
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys, but there are enough guys

808
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: who can run a four to three, even a sub

809
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: four to three. But you know what, if you can't

810
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: make anyone miss, if you don't add that explosiveness laterally

811
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: as well as straight ahead, then that's not all that

812
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: difficult to defend in a league where everybody can run

813
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: virtually on defense. So and then there was this stat

814
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: I think you cited Kyle right his for his only

815
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: full season in college football, he was off the charts

816
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: and making guys miss, right, Yeah, most miss tackles by

817
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: a receiver since twenty fourteen. I don't think anybody has more.

818
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: I think it was thirty seven or forty seven during

819
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: the season. And yeah, I mean we look back and

820
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of why are they drafting this

821
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: same guy when they took it Andy Isabella and it

822
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out these first two years. But I think

823
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: that's the thing that Andy Isabella hasn't shown yet, is

824
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: that lateral movement, that short area quickness, that ability to

825
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: get yards after catch. We've we've seen Andy Isabella go

826
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: deep and catch long bombs, but not a lot of

827
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: the bubble screens, the jet sweeps like that stuff hasn't

828
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: worked out for him. And that's the belief is Rondale

829
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: More can do it. Like you said, when you say

830
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: somebody teleports when they're changing directions, that obviously means you

831
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: think he can really move laterally. And I think this

832
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: offense has been missing that element like we talked about

833
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: last week, and that's what it needs to really open

834
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: things up. And a lot of eyes are gonna be

835
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: on Rondelle More and can he be that piece that

836
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: they've been searching for and they haven't found. And I

837
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: haven't analyzed his game film other than seeing some of

838
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: the highlights. But when you get a look at him

839
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: like we did during rookie minicamp, and yeah, he's five

840
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: to seven, but he's every bit of one eighty plus

841
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: and you see the legs in this guy, and he

842
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: can squat more than six hundred pounds. I'm guessing he

843
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: has the ability to break an arm tackle or two. Yeah,

844
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: And quite honestly, Andy Isabella isn't breaking many arm tackles.

845
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: He just isn't. When he gets in the clear, he's gone.

846
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: But that's not going to happen very oft in the NFL.

847
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: You got to create your own space to use an

848
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: NBA term, I find it interesting in the latest episode

849
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: of Flight Plan, which you can find on the on

850
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: the team's YouTube channel, and uh, it was it's about

851
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: the draft. And what really caught my eye was there

852
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: was significant footage of both when the Cardinals were waiting

853
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: to get Zaven Collins in the first round and Rondale

854
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: Moore and in the second round, and and editing is

855
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: what it is. But still I was taken a little

856
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: bit by how certain they sounded about targeting those guys,

857
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: those particular guys, because both those guys, you weren't sure, okay,

858
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: are they gonna maybe go with a cornerback in the

859
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: second round? And I know they didn't trade up, and

860
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know who I was on the board at

861
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: the time, but you know, they sound they sounded very

862
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: much like, hey, we're taking this guy where we really

863
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: want this guy. Uh And and Collins was the same way.

864
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: It sounded like, especially once those cornerbacks were off the

865
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: board early, they wanted Zaven Collins the whole way. So,

866
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: uh that that impressed me because you're trying to, you know,

867
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: pick these guys that people weren't one hundred percent sure, Okay,

868
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: why exactly you're taking them? When it comes to More,

869
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: you know you can't help but agree with what you

870
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: guys are saying, which is essentially he brings something that

871
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: they don't have. Okay, maybe they were hoping Andy Isabella

872
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: was going to bring that, but he didn't, and and

873
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta find that and sitting around

874
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: waiting Forrandy. Look, it'd be the best thing in the world.

875
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: If any Isabella found something out and you had duplicate

876
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: guys going into training camp who could do the exact

877
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: same thing, then you you're able to trade one of

878
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: them and you can get something out of it. But

879
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: if if any Isabella hasn't made that step forward, then

880
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: you got to find that role because obviously you feel

881
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: like it was needed in the offense. What's interesting to

882
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: me is after the Cardinals selected rond Elmore, you saw

883
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Dwayne Eskridge go to the Seattle Seahawks. Shortly there after

884
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: a similar sized player you saw two two at Well

885
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: go to the Rams Rams. So those two guys are

886
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: going to be in the division, and those are going

887
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: to be comps him. The Get Go guys went right

888
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: after him because very similar and then when you saw

889
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: ten picks later at fifty nine overall, Terris Marshall out

890
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: of LSU go to Carolina. There's the big receiver who

891
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: was on the board six two, two ten. I just

892
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: looked it up. Twenty three touchdown receptions in his LSU career.

893
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: That's number four in LSU history for a receiver. So

894
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: you have that dynamic where the big receiver goes after

895
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore, just like you had the similar dynamic of

896
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: what happened after Andy Isabella was drafted two years ago. Yeah,

897
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 1: the DK Metcalfe, every Cardinals fanel squads ripped about. Yeah,

898
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: it's always a gamble and a risk, and who knows

899
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: how those four or five receivers are going to work out.

900
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean, odds are that you don't get the best

901
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: one when you when there's four you're talking about. But

902
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't think there are many questions about Rondel Moore's

903
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: skill set, even though he's five to seven. I feel

904
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: like the durability he was maybe the big issue and

905
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: not playing a bunch of his last two seasons, because

906
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: I just go back to what he did as a

907
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: freshman and just doing such special things in a big

908
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: conference at eighteen years old is just it just tells

909
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: you something when somebody does that against older players, and

910
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: it just seems so easy for him that I don't know,

911
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident about Rondel Moore can do. I

912
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: obviously I haven't seen him in camp or anything, but

913
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: just knowing that he seems intelligent, he seems like he

914
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: works hard, He's got this natural ability. I think everything's

915
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: lining up for him to be a pretty pretty impact

916
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: contributor as a rookie. In fact, on The Big Red Rage,

917
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: director of a Player personnel Drew Grigson busted out a

918
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: holy Conoli stat. I had not heard this one before.

919
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: I was not aware that only three players in college

920
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: football history have been true freshman and voted consensus all Americans,

921
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, Herschel Walker and Rondale Moore. Oh wow, okay, yeah,

922
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: that that's going to get your attention. And I get it.

923
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: They're all American teams, and you know the media's involved.

924
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: Was like, but if you're that much of a standout

925
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old true freshman, there's got to

926
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: be some serious talent in you as a player. And

927
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: you can see why the Cardinals despite all the injuries

928
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen to twenty twenty in the shortened season.

929
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: While they're bullish on just one full season, what they

930
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: saw out of the kid, it's just remarkable. My question

931
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: is does he get utilized differently than a typical slot receiver.

932
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: Do you guys envision that this coming season or Rondelle

933
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: More will truly be more like a Tyreek Hill. Do

934
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: you think that we're going to see different aspects of

935
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's offense, either different parts of the playbook already

936
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: in existence utilize or they're going to create different sort

937
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: of things just for Rondale More. And how different do

938
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: you think the offense will look just with the addition

939
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: of this kid's skill set. I think that's probably the intention.

940
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: We'll see how it plays out. But when you mentioned

941
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: like the Rams and the Seahawks taking those other guys,

942
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody's trying to find their Tyreek

943
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: Hill air quotes, and and you know, none of those

944
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: guys are necessarily as good as him. Maybe they can

945
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: be at some point, but everybody's looking for that that

946
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: little advantage. And going into this draft, I had, you know,

947
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: this stuff I had read was it was deep and

948
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver if you were willing to get the slot guys.

949
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: There were some big guys obviously that were worth it,

950
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: the you know, Jamar Chases of the world, but ultimately

951
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: the depth of wide receiver in this draft came because

952
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: of the smaller guys. And it only makes sense. Again,

953
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: We've talked about this a million times. The NFL tries

954
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: to fight this stuff, but ultimately it's started to absorb

955
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: more and more of the college game into it, and

956
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: and it just makes a lot of sense to get

957
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: a guy who can do all these little things take

958
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: a jet sweep or you know, take a swing pass

959
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, or or playing the slot, or

960
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: even once in a blue moon, maybe line up outside

961
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: just to see what happens with a speedy A decade ago,

962
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: the Rams took Tavon Austin number eight. Overall, if memory serves,

963
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: I didn't work out all that great, didn't work out.

964
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: So there's always the risk reward of that sort of player.

965
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: And it's not just in the last couple of years.

966
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: Teams have been trying it, basically the last decade plus,

967
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: trying to get that sort of guy who can Everybody

968
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: now stretch of defense, take the top off or what

969
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: have you, and at least be the eye Candy I

970
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Andy obviously never worked out, so we better think of

971
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: something for Rondale more quick. I Rondale doesn't have the

972
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: same at all. No, I gotta figure that out. But

973
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean NFL defenses are I got it, Ron Dandy, No,

974
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: keep going. We can edit that out, please. I think

975
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: you know. NFL defenses are just so much faster. Where

976
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: he runs a four two nine. I mean that was

977
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: the Pro day. That was probably hand time, so maybe

978
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: it's low four three's if it was laser time. But whatever,

979
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: he's he's very fast, but defenses have fast guys, and

980
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: it's sometimes it translates and sometimes it doesn't. And I

981
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be like Tyreek Hill as a

982
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: rookie in the sense that he's your number one option

983
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: down the field on a lot of plays. But I

984
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna be We're gonna design five plays

985
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: a game, and we know this ball is going to

986
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Rondelle more bubble screen or jet sweep or whatever, and

987
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: just see what he can do in space. And then

988
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I think the the idea and the snaps will grow

989
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: and the target share will grow once he shows he

990
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: can do some of the more downfield routes. And I mean,

991
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: he looks like a pretty good receiver from the tape

992
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: I've seen. But when you got d Hop and AJ

993
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: Green and Christian Kirk already, you got three established receivers.

994
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: So I still feel like he might be that specialist

995
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: early on, and then we'll just see where it goes

996
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: from there. I mean, if you saw a Cardinals flight

997
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: plant season four, episode two that just came out, you know,

998
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: there's several takeaways. You know, there's some of the head

999
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: bits like, oh, I don't know Number nine Cole McDonald

1000
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: has the best flow going, the best hair out the

1001
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: back of his helmet. That was one takeaway. Number thirty

1002
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: made a nice one headed grab where he opened up

1003
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: the hips. He might be a prospect on the Poli

1004
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Pixian Breakout Player campus as I figure out which number

1005
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: thirty he is on the roster, because there's two right now,

1006
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: so I have to figure that one out. And then

1007
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: there's also other takeaways, like in the war room when

1008
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: they were talking about Rondale Moore, how often they cited

1009
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: the return game and guys, when we talk about wants

1010
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: and needs in the offseason or trying to check that box.

1011
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: Cardinals haven't had a lot to talk about when it

1012
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: comes to the return game the last couple of years.

1013
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: And we all remember Pat p a is a rookie

1014
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: and how dynamic he was and how close he was

1015
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: to the NFL record of five punt returns a shoelace

1016
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: away against Seattle Seahawks. He had to settle for four.

1017
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: So you know, you think about at least I think

1018
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: of a Rondale Moore. Man, if you can just rip

1019
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: off one, maybe two during the course of a season

1020
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: in a division game, say against the Rams of the Seahawks,

1021
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, how invaluable is that? Because it sounds like

1022
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Steve Kime definitely coveted that definitely value that aspect of

1023
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore. And I'm guessing he's been sitting up there

1024
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: and the owner's suite watching Arizona Cardinals games last couple

1025
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: of years, going, Man, we're getting a lot enoughing out

1026
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: of our return game. I think that's fair. I mean, obviously,

1027
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: kickoff returns are I think limited anymore with the way

1028
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: the rules are, but punt returns or something that the

1029
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals have not gotten a lot out of and you know, coincidentally,

1030
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, who are two of the guys that they

1031
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: were hoping to be the punt returners the last couple

1032
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: of years, Christian Kirk, Andy Isabella. Those guys didn't quite

1033
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: turn out the way they would want. And so right

1034
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: now it's a multiple choice. Which second round receiver is

1035
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: going to be a return guy? Oh, I think it's

1036
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: going to be more. I mean, I think that was

1037
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: the other thing that you did kind of notice when

1038
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: you watched Flight Plan was the comments in real time

1039
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: about how they wanted to take guys who were going

1040
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: early that needed to play right away. And that's a

1041
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: little bit different than what they've been doing. And we've

1042
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: seen it already. We talked about it on recent podcasts

1043
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: about Davin Collins stepping in and being a starter from

1044
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: day one, which it looks like it's going to be.

1045
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think Rondale Moore is going to be

1046
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: a starting receiver, but he's absolutely going to have a role,

1047
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: and you're right, part of it is going to be

1048
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: with Jeff Rogers and the special teams. Let's get back

1049
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: to the analytics, Kyle. I see your jones in over there.

1050
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: You're starting to shake a little bit. We got to

1051
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: get back to the numbers. So Rodney Hudson, what was it?

1052
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: He was just honored by Pro Football Focus as the

1053
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: top Was it just past blocking center or overall center?

1054
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: Overall center? Yeah, the number one center among their rankings

1055
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty one. It's just kind of an

1056
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: abstract list where it's not necessarily looking at one metric,

1057
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: but saying that his body of work has been the

1058
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: most impressive among centers in these last few years. And

1059
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure they consider age and all that, but they

1060
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: still said that they think he's the best based on

1061
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: what he's done basically the last six years, five of

1062
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: which he's been the number one rated pass blocking center.

1063
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: So even last year was a down year quote unquote,

1064
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: and he was number seven in the NFL. So clearly

1065
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: it's going to be a significant upgrade on the interior.

1066
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this before, but when you play

1067
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald twice a season and you've got some defensive

1068
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: tackles on this schedule, which can give you some problems.

1069
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: If Rodney Hudson can anchor down and stop that interior pressure,

1070
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: and especially he could do it one on one and

1071
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: then you can kind of double other guys and work

1072
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: that out like that's a big deal. Interior pressure, to

1073
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: me is messes up a play faster than anything. When

1074
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: a guy is right there, a quarterback can't step up,

1075
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: it just messes up the rhythm of everything. So I

1076
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: think the center position is obviously significantly upgraded. And as

1077
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: long as Rodney Hudson does what he's done these last

1078
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: five six years, the Cardinals all be in great shape.

1079
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: And guess what, when your quarterback is under six feet

1080
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: tall and you get guys coming right up the a gap,

1081
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: that's problematic. There's no doubt about it. I love the

1082
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: number you mentioned the pass blocking according to Pro Football Focus,

1083
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: and don't ask the likes of Justin Pugh as for

1084
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: his opinion as how pro football. Although you know what, Justin,

1085
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: stop complaining because last year you one of the highest

1086
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: rated guys and the Pro Football Focus radar, So okay,

1087
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: none of that. Don't take him to tasks with her

1088
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: Twitter account anymore. Since twenty fifteen, Rodney Hudson has played

1089
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: three four hundred forty five pass blocking snaps and he's

1090
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: allowed three sacks. Wow. Three, think about that? In almost

1091
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred pass blocking snaps, and hence one of

1092
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: the reasons, one of the main reasons he has rated

1093
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: your number one overall center going into this coming season,

1094
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: probably worth a third round pick. I mean, and then

1095
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: and look, the last thing I'm ever qualified for in

1096
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: this world display offensive line. But we've heard offensive lineman

1097
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: talk about it for twenty years around here, and just

1098
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: how invaluable it is to have the experience of a

1099
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: guy making those calls. It's one of the reasons AQ

1100
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: Shipley immediately beat out Mason Cole a few years ago,

1101
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: and Mason Gohle was drafted with the express intent and

1102
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: purpose of beating out the veteran AQ Shipley. It's while

1103
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: Lyle senline was brought back. Just the trust factor and

1104
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: having a guy who can look at a defensive front,

1105
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: especially with all the craziness going on these days, and

1106
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: being able to diagnose and just bring that level a

1107
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: calm a and diagnosing the front and making the calls

1108
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: in the pass pro and then be actually delivering and

1109
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: holding up at the point of attack and instilling some

1110
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: trust in your quarterback so we can feel like, yes,

1111
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I can sit in the pocket and go through my

1112
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: reads and progressions. And look, if there's one thing that,

1113
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: at least according to Kurt Warner in the Big Red Rage,

1114
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray needs to improve upon is just that

1115
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: staying in the pocket, going through his reads, finding this second, third,

1116
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: maybe the fourth option every once in a while, not

1117
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: feeling that inclination to get out of the pocket and

1118
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: make all these dazzle plays. You should be able to

1119
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: reduce that to three, four or five, maybe a half

1120
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: dozen per game as opposed to ten or twelve per game,

1121
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: those wow plays, as Kurt Warner calls it. And if

1122
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray can do that and start beating in those

1123
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: defenses as a more regular basis with his mind and

1124
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: his accuracy, than that's to me how this Cardinal's offense

1125
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: takes the next step. I don't disagree with you. I

1126
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: think they need to do. I do wonder sometimes if

1127
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: Kurt ever had they And please don't take this the

1128
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: wrong way. Kurt, I've seen you on the basketball court.

1129
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: I understand that you're an athlete, but if he was

1130
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: as athletic as Kyler Murray was during his NFL career,

1131
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: you wonder a little bit if he would have had

1132
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: a different mindset, because if you can't do it, of

1133
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: course you're gonna want to stay in the pocket. But anyways,

1134
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: I know I agree without one hundred percent, and I

1135
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: don't think there's any to me. For all the additions

1136
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: they've made this offseason, I think Rodney Hudson is easily

1137
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: the most important. But I don't think it's close. And

1138
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: you guys can argue with me, but I think to me,

1139
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson is by far the most important addition they've

1140
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: made to this roster. I'd say, what, well, you're wrong,

1141
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: but that's ok Watt's high end ability versus the low

1142
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: end concern of injuries. I think whatever happens with JJ

1143
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: Watt I think will significantly affect this team more so

1144
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: than Rodney Hudson. I'd go with Watt as well, but

1145
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: this is where you might have to call security. It's

1146
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: because I would also factor in the leadership ability that

1147
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: JJ watbring, not just the play, but the person JJ

1148
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Watt is and what he's already doing from what we

1149
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: understand behind the scenes, and you know, just holding out

1150
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: trying to j Watt, you know, but changing the locker

1151
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: room maybe a little bit, you know what Rodney Hudson

1152
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: is known as that kind of guy as well on

1153
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. So dear clear, Paul,

1154
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: you know you can get those guys in there, which,

1155
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: of course brings us to a totally different topic. Uh No,

1156
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of of Kyler, what'd you guys make him getting

1157
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: some of those throws in with AJ Green? Once again,

1158
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: I need an explanation. Here was this in the Dallas

1159
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: area where he lives in trains and participate. It was

1160
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: on it was on Kyler's Instagram stories, and AJ Green

1161
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: ended up putting out on his Instagram account and basically

1162
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: just copying what Kyler had. So I assume it's in

1163
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: the Dallas area, which is interesting because I don't think

1164
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: AJ Green is normally in the Dallas area. But so,

1165
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: but it's good that. I mean, the first thing I

1166
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: thought of, to be honest, was when everybody was cringing

1167
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: all last offseason because when's Kyler gonna throw to d hop?

1168
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: When's Kyler gonna throw a d hop? Well, Kyler got

1169
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: a chance to throw to AJ Green. So all's right

1170
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: in the world, all right. So if you're looking for

1171
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: the next great quote, somebody needs to find Carlos Dansby

1172
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: because I did an event with Carlos Dansby which you

1173
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: was supposed to be finding Carlos Dansby, I said, somebody

1174
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: other than me, because I'm failing. Even though I was

1175
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: talking to Carlos Dansby less than two months ago, and

1176
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: over the course of the conversation during this alumni event,

1177
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: the AJ Green edition came up. Now, I forgot that

1178
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: Carlos Dansby was a teammate of AJ Green for one

1179
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: year in Cincinnati, believe maybe two. I think it was two,

1180
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: I think he said, and I loosely quote, he's never

1181
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: played with any other teammate who practiced as hard as

1182
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: AJ Green. And I said, wow, that's quite a statement,

1183
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: considering you played a number of years with Number eleven,

1184
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: who's known it. He said, yeah, he said, no one

1185
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: has ever practiced as hard as he's seeing AJ Green

1186
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: go at it on a daily basis. So that's intriguing.

1187
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: When and if we get the Soul Veterans Mini camp

1188
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: and we're allowed to watch, I'm going to have an

1189
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: eye a Number eighteen. I mean, I think he's critical

1190
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: this season where if he if he does practice hard,

1191
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: and obviously that translates into production and being eighty five

1192
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: eighty percent of what he used to be. I think

1193
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: that transforms the offense completely, because I you know, DeAndre

1194
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: Hopkins is going to be great, and I think we

1195
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: kind of have an idea that Christian Kirk is going

1196
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: to be a decent contributor. And what is Aj Green?

1197
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: Is he the guy he used to be? Is he done?

1198
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, is he just gonna not be physically capable

1199
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: of separating anymore? Or is he in between? I mean

1200
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: there's all these different things that could happen with AJ Green.

1201
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a big deal. And I mean it's

1202
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: good that him and Kyler have worked out together, but

1203
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: I think, like the big deal is how does AJ

1204
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: Green produce? How does Kyler redfenses? Like you were saying earlier,

1205
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: like I think the off season stuff is fine, but

1206
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: for those guys, like I just want to see them

1207
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: in camp, and I want to see them in live action,

1208
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: when there's blitzes and when there's press man like that

1209
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: to me is when we're gonna see within maybe the

1210
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: first six weeks of the season what those two guys

1211
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: are doing well. Two things, Kyle, we can't just say, hey,

1212
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: we just want to see him in camp because we've

1213
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: got a lot of podcasts to fill up before then,

1214
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about them throwing in a

1215
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: dome somewhere in Dallas. And also, Carlos Dansby played one

1216
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: year with the Bengals. One year with the Bengals, Okay, sixteen,

1217
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down on the whole former Bengal assessment

1218
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: in Aj Green. Frosty Rucker was on a recent edition

1219
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: of The Big Red Ragius Offseason and he said, and

1220
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: I loose to quote again, guys, I wouldn't be surprised

1221
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: if AJ Green as your NFL Comeback Player of the Year.

1222
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: And I pushed back, I'm the whole comeback player there

1223
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, and he said, Look, he's no longer

1224
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: going to be in the number one focus of defenses.

1225
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: That's DeAndre Hopkins number two. He gets off the turf

1226
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, which is one of the first things Carlos

1227
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: Dansby said as well. So, with all due respect of

1228
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals, your plane service does not and practice facilities

1229
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: service doesn't have a great reputation among former players. So

1230
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: everybody who's left the Bengals apparently looks forward to getting

1231
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: on real grass and then Frosty Rutgers said, look, just

1232
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: check the numbers and how few catchable balls he was thrown.

1233
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: If Kyler Murray's accuracy results in a lot of targets

1234
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: that are actually catchable balls, and he's not catching it

1235
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 1: between two or three guys as was normally the case

1236
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati because he was all always the focal point

1237
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: of defensive pass coverages. And think about if you think

1238
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: about in the last I don't know fifteen years, name

1239
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: the three top receivers. I was talking to Wolf about

1240
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: this when it comes to catching the ball in traffic

1241
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: contested catches? Would you say Larry Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins one

1242
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: or two? Either one? And then could I argue AJ

1243
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: Green when it comes to making the contested catch. So

1244
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: with all that in mind, Frosty Rutgers stated a case

1245
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: that his choice for NFL Comeback Player the Year this

1246
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: year is number eighteen AJ Green. And by the time

1247
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: he was done, I was done in my head. I said, Okay,

1248
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: that's a compelling case. Not say it's going to materialize,

1249
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: because who knows exactly what the ankle was like. And

1250
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: there were some moments where I think there were five

1251
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: games last year for Cincinnati. I looked it up. He

1252
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: had zero catches. Zero catches, So to me, that is

1253
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: a great unknown. What are the Arizona Cardinals going to

1254
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: get out of AJ Green in twenty twenty one? Yeah,

1255
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 1: and if that happens, this offense should be top ten.

1256
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if if AJ Green plays that well and

1257
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: you figure de Hoop Stay is healthy and you're talking

1258
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: about two Pro Bowl wide receivers and Kyler's legs like

1259
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: as on offense, it's gonna be tough to stop. But

1260
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: as I said, I want to I want to see

1261
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: it on the field and see what happens. I mean,

1262
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: there's there's easy ways to talk yourself into a lot

1263
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: of these guys right now, and then as we know,

1264
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: we get into camp and it's not there. So I

1265
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: don't know what Kristen Kirk and AJ Green and Chase

1266
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: Edmonds are going to do this season. There's an upside

1267
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: to all of them, but there's also a downside of

1268
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: them not reaching that. So I think you have the

1269
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: constance in Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins and you know

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Speaker 1: they'll both be above average and in Hopkins case a

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Speaker 1: star and then beyond them. I think this kind of

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Speaker 1: skill group for the Cardinals. There's a lot of unknown

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Speaker 1: at this point, including Darren's neck tattoo. So it's a

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Speaker 1: wrap up. This edition of Cardinals Underground brought to you

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Speaker 1: Where do we stand on the mandatory thousand and retweets?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Larry retweeted it. It must have achieved that level.

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Speaker 1: Did you retweet it? Did you? Or do you just

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Speaker 1: responded to it? Thank you just responded? Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, you know, where are we and uh,

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Speaker 1: what is it going to take or something Austria might

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Speaker 1: get us over the top or Cambodia. In Austria, what

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Speaker 1: sort of neck tat too would be most popular in Austria?

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Speaker 1: Were there any suggestions, any value added suggestions perhaps in

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Speaker 1: the comment session? You do you realize neck tattoo only

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Speaker 1: came from fits, It wasn't the part of the original tweet.

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Speaker 1: You're starting to sweat it a little bit, folks. What

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Speaker 1: about the mailbag? Did you get any free advice in

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Speaker 1: the mail bag when it came? But I will say this,

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Speaker 1: the he's still getting Daryl Washington questions, but nothing on

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Speaker 1: the neck tattoo, the tattoo, the tattoo. Things sprung up

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Speaker 1: a little bit after I took I figured out this

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Speaker 1: week's questions, so I'm anticipating potential next week, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not gonna be around here to

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Speaker 1: knock around next week, so that's right, Okay, Well, you

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Speaker 1: know what, you wouldn't be the first guy to go

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Speaker 1: on vacation and come back with the neck tattoo. And

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Speaker 1: we'll leave it there on Cardinal's Underground. Brought to you

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