WEBVTT - Corey Crowder

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<v Speaker 1>Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man.

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<v Speaker 1>on the on side. No one can do within clide Carola, Carola,

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<v Speaker 1>No one can do within Cli Carola Carolina. Hey y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby.

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<v Speaker 1>I know music, I know people, and I know the

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<v Speaker 1>questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper

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<v Speaker 1>heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there

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<v Speaker 1>could be adult content. Hey y'all, welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Caroline Hobby. And this week we have Corey Crowder.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a ball are a producer. He just produced

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<v Speaker 1>all of Chris Young's album. He's also producing Cassidy Pope

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a hit songwriter. He wrote I'm coming over

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<v Speaker 1>and thank of you for Chris Young and thank of you?

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<v Speaker 1>What could you wet with christ Young and Cassidy Pope?

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<v Speaker 1>That was off the chain. And he just had a

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<v Speaker 1>baby girl named Carolina Joy. We were talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>in the interview and she wasn't out the oven yet

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<v Speaker 1>and she just popped out a little sweet girl named

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina Joy. So y'all get ready to welcome the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>Corey Crowder. Hi, Corey Crowders. How's it going. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to be here with you today. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be here and a lot of people. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>exciting too because you're like my husband, Michael's doppelganger and

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<v Speaker 1>brother from another mother. Yep, he's uh, he's one of my

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<v Speaker 1>my best buds ever and y'all match the match. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the long haired rock star version of me. Oh whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you are both ripped, yeah, yeah, shredded and I got

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<v Speaker 1>that dad body right now? What is the dad bought exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you really want to Yeah, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pounds of extra loving you know, maybe a little man boob,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little you know tie around the waist. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you have more people to love, Hey, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of me to love well, and that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>love your wife, your son, and you have a new

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<v Speaker 1>baby coming, so I just need more of me to

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<v Speaker 1>get to give that. Yeah, that's why that makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>to daddy sonic. I had this morning that just that

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<v Speaker 1>was just to give love. It's all you could do

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's the only option. Yeah, it was. That was

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<v Speaker 1>all I had that was urban Juicer down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>but Sonic was like, now, iurban juicer looks like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be just stressed out the rest of the day and

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<v Speaker 1>then it might give you, like the runs or something

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<v Speaker 1>because of that vegetable juice. Sonic definitely doesn't give you

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<v Speaker 1>the runs, right, Okay, So I'm gonna start off with

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<v Speaker 1>a few questions. All right, m are you ready? I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're for a song, what would the title be?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're a hit songwriter, so that's only fitting my

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<v Speaker 1>life for a song. Uh, it would be a long

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<v Speaker 1>the long and bumpy road. Why do you say that? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been along with bump your own but awesome, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been It's at least been scenic, right yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the two minute version is. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I started out playing bars. I'm from Georgia, small town Loganville.

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<v Speaker 1>Um started playing bars, and then just like everybody, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that turned into that turned into like writing for

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote a bunch of TV stuff. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of TV songs on TV shows, which, Okay, tell

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<v Speaker 1>that story because that's really interesting, random and like it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen to everyone, right, So I mean I was

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<v Speaker 1>just a kid who thought I was just gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>bars for fun, and then I had music on my

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<v Speaker 1>Space if you remember much Oh gosh, yeah, like dating

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<v Speaker 1>myself now that we're old. I mean the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>my space is like no young kids even know what

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<v Speaker 1>that is. I know, well three MP three dot com

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<v Speaker 1>was was my first. You know, nobody even remembers that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that is. So yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>why the same age? How you turned thirty three this

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<v Speaker 1>year to twins? Um? So okay. So the guy from

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<v Speaker 1>Buna Murray, which does like Real World road Rules, the

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<v Speaker 1>Kardashians all that stuff. Anyway, he calls me and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be a cast member on Real World.

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<v Speaker 1>We're casting like a musicians aspiring to do this, And

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<v Speaker 1>I just knew what they were gonna do to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They will put me on the show, and they put

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<v Speaker 1>me they get me drunk, and they put like a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of beautiful women around me and make me look

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<v Speaker 1>like the guy, the jerk that you know, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>just not your personality. No, it couldn't be any less

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<v Speaker 1>a personality. So I was like, man, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to fulfill the role you want me to fill. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so about you just use my music, And I was joking, really,

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<v Speaker 1>how old were you at this point, like nineteen? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, okay, and uh and I just recorded stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in my room, you know, just on acoustic and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, I'd love to do that. And I

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<v Speaker 1>swear from that point on, they just started using the

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<v Speaker 1>crap out of it. So you recorded all this music

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<v Speaker 1>and it went straight into like real world episodes. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things you had, Biggest Loser, MTVS, Real World,

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Girls, One Tree Hill. Uh, yeah, that's crazy and

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<v Speaker 1>TV places are that's like some serious dough for a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, yeah, and it's instant. It is instant. And

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<v Speaker 1>because people don't realize, like when you get a single

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<v Speaker 1>or when you write a song and it gets on

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<v Speaker 1>an album of an artist, it might take years to

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<v Speaker 1>release and then you might not even ever get a

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<v Speaker 1>single or much money. Yeah. Yeah, you might not get

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<v Speaker 1>money at all, um, especially because if you have to

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<v Speaker 1>recoup from a publishing deal or something. Yeah, I had

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<v Speaker 1>no publishing. I didn't even know what publishing was. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're like rolling in dough at nineteen. I was paying

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<v Speaker 1>my bills, but so it did kind of give me

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<v Speaker 1>this like, oh my god, I could do music for

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<v Speaker 1>a living. And so I ended up signing an independent

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<v Speaker 1>record deal and then I didn't go so well, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just it was it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>Christian based thing. But I really wasn't a Christian artist. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't your band called your first band called Farewell to Arms?

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<v Speaker 1>It was? I was really into Dashboard Confessional and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be him so bad, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just named myself something like a band, called myself

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<v Speaker 1>a feral to Arms. It worked, I mean for that

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<v Speaker 1>scene of music, it worked. Was that your first record deal?

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<v Speaker 1>That band? No. I ended up going by Corey Crowder

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<v Speaker 1>on the record deal. Um, but I wasn't a Christian

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<v Speaker 1>artist and they were pushing me as one. It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I had no business being in that genre. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, it's kind of taught me a few lessons

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<v Speaker 1>and ended up getting a developmental deal with Sony. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That brought me back to Nashville. And back to Nashville.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived to Nashville for like eight months when all

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian stuff is going on, and it was I

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<v Speaker 1>just I didn't know anybody. It was kind of depressing

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<v Speaker 1>being here when you don't know anybody young and just

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<v Speaker 1>like broke because it's so expensive here, just so broke, golly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, me and Landy used to eat are like

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<v Speaker 1>really nice meal. Was going to outback and eating French

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<v Speaker 1>onion soup and free bread. That was really nice. Aren't

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<v Speaker 1>you glad you had the hungry years though? Yes, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes you who you are, it does. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very thankful for him. We're spoiled now. But they But

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<v Speaker 1>I had a developmental deal that introduced me to every

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<v Speaker 1>writer in town that I wanted, had ever wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>write with. And it's such a huge writing community here,

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and and the biggest part for me was

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<v Speaker 1>just getting to know the people. Uh. And I signed

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<v Speaker 1>a publishing deal with Universal and they just got introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot and it was like for me, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like songwriting camp. Even though I had written, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>three independent albums for myself, I didn't really know how

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<v Speaker 1>to write a song. I just was just winging it. Yeah. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, why did you start writing songs when

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<v Speaker 1>you're a kid? I don't know, I really don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>had no big awesome story about that. I just just

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<v Speaker 1>started doing it and liked it. Yeah, I played guitar.

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<v Speaker 1>I took lessons as a kid. Um, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know I could sing good, like nobody, nobody in my

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<v Speaker 1>family's musical so I had no idea and I started, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think our youth group at church needed somebody to

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<v Speaker 1>play guitar, and they were like, do you sing it all?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I don't think I sing good.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was saying and they were all like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you sing really good. You have a great voice, like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best. Well at the time, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, when you've never been told you're good,

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<v Speaker 1>you just think you're just and you're not from like

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<v Speaker 1>a musical community. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't have anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that taught me. I didn't know. Uh, But so I

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<v Speaker 1>started just writing songs just for fun, I guess. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the real world happened, and then the development deal, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then the first record deal and then the sony. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was definitely like I mean not to

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<v Speaker 1>over spiritualize it, but like I definitely think it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that God had to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like create a few of those things for me to

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<v Speaker 1>just or else I would have never believed it, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, given you those opportunities that were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just pulled you in your undeserved Really as

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<v Speaker 1>far as like I didn't work for him early on,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just more you know, I think God's way

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<v Speaker 1>of being like, Hey, here's yours is where you're going?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hello, We're in an interview. You think I'm joined this?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, say hi? This is you got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>in the microphone? Is you have to tell us? One

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<v Speaker 1>in lightning thing? This is Corey's publisher right now, you're

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<v Speaker 1>on you say something right now. It's not Scott. Scott's

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<v Speaker 1>has prouder moments in this. He's behind the scenes. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the man making of Heaven interview. So we're at

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<v Speaker 1>Corey's publishing company right now, and that was his publisher

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<v Speaker 1>that popped in. Publishing companies are so fun. There's always

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<v Speaker 1>cool people around the building. Songwriters are coming in like

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<v Speaker 1>this place is a family too, because you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a fast forward a little bit, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I my deal at Universal ended, I haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 1>there Sony first, Sony, I didn't my record deal didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a developmental deal. Um, it just never fully

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<v Speaker 1>developed into something I delivered sides and well. And maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>like you were saying, like it happened so young, you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't quite fully ready for it, because you said, like

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<v Speaker 1>you were talking about it was spiritual, like God had

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<v Speaker 1>given you these things you weren't maybe deserving them yet

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<v Speaker 1>to let you know this was your path. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know you were deserving him because he gave you

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<v Speaker 1>the talent for it. Yeah. I mean, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean by that. I mean there's people that

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<v Speaker 1>just grind and grind. And when I I think, I

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<v Speaker 1>associated writing and action and artists all in this like

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<v Speaker 1>same hat um. But there I didn't realize that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a career to be had for me in just

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<v Speaker 1>writing and producing. Like I never considered that. I always

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<v Speaker 1>thought like, man, I have to be an artist or

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<v Speaker 1>else nothing or nothing. And then once I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>started seeing the lighted the end of the tunnel, like

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<v Speaker 1>I randomly got. Right after I got, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>lost my sony deal. I was still at Universal Writing UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kenny Rogers randomly wanted to record a song of

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<v Speaker 1>mine and so that was like the first moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh crap, like I could be a

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<v Speaker 1>I could be a writer, Like only you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>this is great, and that's kind of what spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>your heart the most, right, Yeah, Because I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>played shows. I mean from the time I was eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>two seven when I stopped to being an artist and

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<v Speaker 1>I was I mean, I played lots of dates, like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do this whole weekend gig thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going for months at a time, and and

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<v Speaker 1>I never stopped getting nervous before I played. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>so weird, like just you think, like over time you'd

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<v Speaker 1>stop getting nervous. I didn't. I always was nervous. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you dread it? Dreaded it as my least favorite part

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<v Speaker 1>about what I did. Did you like it when you

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<v Speaker 1>were on stage? I mean once I got a few

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<v Speaker 1>songs in, it was cool, but I just it never

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<v Speaker 1>felt like a natural spot for me. And so now

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<v Speaker 1>it's just funny like now people be like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>miss me an artist. I'm like, hell no, God, that

0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.240
<v Speaker 1>was no way I'd much of them to see my

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<v Speaker 1>songs being so in front of ten tho people than

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<v Speaker 1>be the guy totally. But I feel like we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit before. Sometimes you don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you're totally called to do. You just sort of start

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<v Speaker 1>going towards a direction. And like with Nashville, there's so many,

0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.320
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying earlier, there's so many different roads in

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<v Speaker 1>this entertainment industry, but it's sort of hard to figure

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<v Speaker 1>them out until you're just in it well. And part

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<v Speaker 1>of it's too, Like you start going on, Man, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I could get somebody excited about me as

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<v Speaker 1>a writer. You know, you don't have the confidence in

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<v Speaker 1>that yet. So you're like, I know I can get

0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.520
<v Speaker 1>him excited about me as an artist, So let's do

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<v Speaker 1>that and then let's just see what happens off of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And it's just I think sometimes you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to go with what what you what you think

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<v Speaker 1>you can break in with and then um. But but

0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.000
<v Speaker 1>people like Scott and Liz so you know, and those

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<v Speaker 1>are your publishers. Oh, by the way, Scott and Liz

0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Punts and Liz Rose, who wrote Girl Crush is Corey's publisher. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Liz became a good friend of mine because I started

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<v Speaker 1>working with Jamie Lynn Spears right at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>my universal publishing deal, and Liz and I became good buddies.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll never forget I was. I was like shopping

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<v Speaker 1>around to publishers, you know, they're taking meetings, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't really talked to Liz, and I don't know why.

0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.720
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't want to, Like I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>put in an awkward position to say no because we

0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.720
<v Speaker 1>were buddies and writing. And so we were in the

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<v Speaker 1>studio with Jamie Lynn. You're cutting and she goes, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget. She goes, hey, I'm mad at you, by

0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.079
<v Speaker 1>the way. I was like for what She was like,

0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.199
<v Speaker 1>because you are looking for a publishing deal and you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to me. I was like, that's bullcrap, Like

0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you knew I needed a publishing deal, you could have

0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.200
<v Speaker 1>talked to me. And she was like, well, I want

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<v Speaker 1>your publishing. I want to be I want to work

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<v Speaker 1>with you. So I came and met with Scott and

0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Natalie was here at the time, Natalie now married to

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Paslay. I met them for beers and it was

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<v Speaker 1>awesome and we started just kind of dating so to speak.

0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And uh, and here I am this is I got married.

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<v Speaker 1>We got married how's the marriage, man, We've had plenty

0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.120
<v Speaker 1>of song babies together, which, by the way, we're kind

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.160
<v Speaker 1>of jumping everywhere. Corey's about to have his second number one.

0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.240
<v Speaker 1>His first number one was Chris Young. I'm coming over.

0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.040
<v Speaker 1>What that was a three week number one? Yeah, stupid,

0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. And now you're having your second number one

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Young and Cassidy pulpits to do it. Thank you.

0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.000
<v Speaker 1>They played it on the A c m S, which

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. That so does that just freak you out

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<v Speaker 1>with excitement when you hear it? Like when you saw

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<v Speaker 1>it on a c MS that was really cool. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, to see it played was really cool

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<v Speaker 1>and see in person. But we had two nominations, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what were the nomination I went from two years before

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in like the cheap seats to being on the

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<v Speaker 1>nominee floor and like walking the red carpet of Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really happen. It seemed to me like it

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<v Speaker 1>happened really fast, you know, like I know too, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>people here I've been a while here how many years

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<v Speaker 1>now six this time, and I've been around, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know maybe it didn't seem that fast to other people.

0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.880
<v Speaker 1>But god, it felt fast to me, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just being Lane were walking the carpet and she was

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<v Speaker 1>like whispering to me. She was like, this is weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, this is really weird. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't act like it's weird. Just act like it's

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<v Speaker 1>really normal. At least I saw Hobby, I saw I

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<v Speaker 1>saw Michael like ahead of me, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, comfortable, I'll see this isn't that bizarre. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was with Chris, so Chris is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>best friends too, so it was like, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>weird getting thrown into those situations because you belong there,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it's also like, holy sh it, there's Jason

0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Aldean and there's like, you know, Keith Urban. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>weird because your community is now becoming those people, and

0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.520
<v Speaker 1>because you're kind of right, you kind of rise up

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<v Speaker 1>as class as I feel like in a way, and

0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.800
<v Speaker 1>now it's like that's your people. Now they need you

0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.200
<v Speaker 1>just as much as you need them, and everyone works together.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that weird? It is weird to be in that group.

0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.600
<v Speaker 1>It it is when you think about it, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel very weird, you know. I mean because these

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<v Speaker 1>are all buddies. Um, it is weird. It's weird. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. It was cool for me. My mom and

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<v Speaker 1>my stepdad came out to Vegas and they've never this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time they've ever been kind of thrown

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<v Speaker 1>into this world where they get to like see celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and you know, we were just like we'd

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<v Speaker 1>run into like Colsondale, it's a buddy from Georgia, you know,

0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and like we'd like we'd shake hands and I was like, oh, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my mom and my dead Rick, and like

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<v Speaker 1>they were they'd walk away and be like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh yeah, that just didn't like hit

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<v Speaker 1>me because it was just another human that you work

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<v Speaker 1>with it, you know, yeah, because we know what, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it looks like this to the world, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>very flashy. Behind it's really not tell me what behind

0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the scenes look like. To you, it looks like this,

0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.720
<v Speaker 1>which is a beautiful studio on a beautiful day. Great

0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Matt computer, got all your bells and whistles. Oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, everyone, in case you didn't know, Corey Crowd

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<v Speaker 1>is the man responsible for my theme song. Okay, Caralin, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I felt very honored you did that because

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<v Speaker 1>you're very busy. So my theme song was very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>If I haven't told you, this is where I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you. So We're in Vegas and Caroline is

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<v Speaker 1>ever hanging out over this like me, Caroline just speaking

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<v Speaker 1>about you in third person like Garth. You know. Okay,

0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.879
<v Speaker 1>we were we were talking. I think me and Michael

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<v Speaker 1>were playing blackjack or something and you were talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Laney and you were like, I think you should name

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<v Speaker 1>your baby because we're having a baby girl, and Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>you were like, I think your name was Caroline. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a strong name. We've I've never hated my name. It

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<v Speaker 1>was my name, I know. So the next morning, me

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<v Speaker 1>and Landy You're having breakfast and we're like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>how how awesome is Caroline? I was like, she's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like I love her and Michael, but my

0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Landy is Corey's wife and she is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest chicks in this town. They're about to pop out

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<v Speaker 1>their new baby. She's just a badass. She is beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>inside and out. Yeah, I weigh out punted my coverage.

0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.840
<v Speaker 1>You guys are a great couple. You are a power couple.

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<v Speaker 1>She We were like, man, Caroline is a cool name.

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<v Speaker 1>And then our waitress walks up and she's just like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of exotic looking lady like she's like, I don't know,

0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe a Filipino or something. I don't know, but she

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<v Speaker 1>says in her name Texas Carolina. I love Carolina, And

0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, lady, you're gonna name of Carolina. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the name Carolina, Carolina Joy. So it was totally inspired.

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<v Speaker 1>I love. It was inspired by our conversation Carolina Joy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we started thinking. We started thinking. Me and

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<v Speaker 1>Landy got married and we lived in South Carolina for

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<v Speaker 1>four years, so we started and so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina Crowder sounds like a strong name. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>she's gonna be a badass, Like what is she going

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.399
<v Speaker 1>to do something amazing? And it doesn't sound like a

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<v Speaker 1>stripper names that I was worried about. It sounds beautiful Carolina.

0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I want to cry. And so this is a cool

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<v Speaker 1>night story too. So my mom's middle name is Joy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one reason why we were doing it. When

0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>people live up to their names totally, if you give

0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 1>her the name Joy, she's going to be joyful. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is you're gonna you can give you chills. So

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<v Speaker 1>we decide on Carolina Joy. Laney has a aunt that

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.800
<v Speaker 1>she was adopted, and she really didn't have any family,

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.400
<v Speaker 1>like her only family was lady's parents, and like she's

0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.360
<v Speaker 1>always around, super nice Joy Harris. She was like the coolest.

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just considered her an aunt, you know. Um,

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.080
<v Speaker 1>And so we told her. We were like, hey, you know.

0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.120
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons too we like Joy was because

0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.400
<v Speaker 1>we were like, oh, Joy Harris, duh, Like how cool

0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 1>is that? So we told her and she flipped out.

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:21.800
<v Speaker 1>She was like because, I mean it felt made her

0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like part of the family. Well, like two weeks ago,

0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 1>she died of a heart attack, like in the middle

0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:34.200
<v Speaker 1>of academy sports, and I was like, this is this

0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.880
<v Speaker 1>is unbelievable, Like, and we're about to have a little girl.

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Her name is Joy, you know, like Caroline Joy. But

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<v Speaker 1>how amazing that you told her, I know, And she

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<v Speaker 1>was so happy, like just bragging about at the beach

0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, man, what a cool I mean

0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:52.919
<v Speaker 1>terrible devastating, very hard for the family, but um, what

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a cool thing for her to have known about. So

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline Joy, it's a super meaningful name and you're part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. First off, Carolina. I've thought about the name

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Carolina before because it's so beautiful, like in Carolina, the South,

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.800
<v Speaker 1>North and South Carolina. There's some of the best cities

0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in those states. Like you said, you'll have a connection

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.120
<v Speaker 1>to it and it's original. And I'm telling you Carolina

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 1>has with the best name. That's what I was trying

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to tell you. Always sold myself. Yeah, I mean you

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.320
<v Speaker 1>never know, people might call her Caroline. I mean, might

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.359
<v Speaker 1>just be easier to say than Carolina. But yeah, that's

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 1>so awesome. I'm so happy to give you a small party.

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.679
<v Speaker 1>You were ladies like you should tell her that. So

0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that I was like, I don't think she knows. I

0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:41.600
<v Speaker 1>know Michael knows, but that's so awesome of publish Carolina June. Yeah.

0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 1>So he was like, oh yeah, oh, it's so awesome.

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 1>We can't wait to meet it. Okay, Okay, conversations, Okay,

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.879
<v Speaker 1>there's no real path here. It's like the bumping, bumping,

0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>long road. Like you said, that's the same thing with

0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.120
<v Speaker 1>this interview. We can go wherever we want. I think

0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 1>me and Michael have the same A D D as well. Yeah,

0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.439
<v Speaker 1>for sure, Michael. Oh, yeah, you guys. I love watching

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.399
<v Speaker 1>out together. He gets so excited when he sees you.

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 1>We yeah, you know. I told lady my favorite part

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 1>about people like him is I can turn off the

0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Nashville thing. Not that you turn on this like need

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>to like be guarded or to like it sounds so dumb,

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>but like when he's when I'm around Hobby, there's no

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 1>like we're not talking about music, and if we are,

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not yeah, we're just hanging like it is just

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>we can just be like, I don't feel like there's

0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 1>any agenda ever, it's just hanging, which y'all created the

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 1>American hang because of that reason, which tell me about

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 1>that that is exactly what you're talking about with the

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 1>class though, So me and Michael. Michael actually had the idea.

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.880
<v Speaker 1>He was like, what if we every Monday just got

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 1>some beer and just wrote a song or didn't just

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 1>but just try it, just hung out to put yourself

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.239
<v Speaker 1>in the space to do it. Yeah, And I was like,

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that's credity. I mean, and neither one of us had

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>ship going on, like nothing like no number one songs, no,

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 1>like they had lost their record deal. I think from

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.959
<v Speaker 1>what scope. So they were here like trying, you know,

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to get a deal, just like touring, trying to write,

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>but like trying to get something going. Yeah, and I

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 1>had just lost my deal and I was trying to

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>figure my life out. Aren't those moments like before you

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>get to the next moment of greatness? Aren't those moments

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like this? Do you ever feel like anything

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<v Speaker 1>ever gonna? Yes? I mean we did. This is our

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<v Speaker 1>conversations every time we got it out. We were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we could write the best song ever and

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't matter, like you know what it cares. But

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<v Speaker 1>so he was like, who do you think we should get?

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, we should get near Mason Cata

0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 1>like three who they didn't have anything going on either.

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<v Speaker 1>They were at atually called Cadillite Black I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Yeah, that's ye. And then Kale Dodds is one

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<v Speaker 1>of my best friends, like from for my whole life,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've known him since he was a kid. I

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know that far back. Oh yeah, And I was like, dude,

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 1>we gotta get Kale. And I was like, well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>our there's our forsome. So every Monday night we would

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<v Speaker 1>write demo and drink while writing, and then we'd go

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<v Speaker 1>to M. L. Rose and play hoop shoot and drink beer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean it was just a ritual. And we

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 1>ended up writing like a bunch of the Thousand Horses

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:38.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff unintentionally, like drunk off Southern reality yep. And we

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>uh and we jokingly because Neil's band used to be

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 1>called American Bang. Kale was like, we should call it

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 1>American Hang. Neil was very against this, by the way.

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.400
<v Speaker 1>At first he was like, no, that's Lane, that's Lane.

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 1>We can't do that. And then but then it became

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<v Speaker 1>such a joke we kept calling it that you couldn't

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.120
<v Speaker 1>think of a better name. It just became to hang,

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the American Hang, can't you know. But what's cool about

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it is thousand Horses obviously killing it. They had a

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>number one with Smoke the Top, just wanting with drunk

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>dout killing it. They're on the road with Audine, uh,

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like three Is had singles out

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 1>there on the road with flour the Georgia line kills

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 1>about to get a record deal. I'm riding and producing

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>on your second number one hit. It's crazy and none

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>of us had ship going on like four years ago.

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that it's so cool? Doesn't feel like magic,

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 1>it does it? It makes are like our times when

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 1>we get together now, just like we all just kind

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of look at each other and we're like, all right,

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 1>let's cheer. This is which. By the way, y' all

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 1>just wrote an amazing song Willie whatever the horses. It's

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.199
<v Speaker 1>so freaking good. And I think that the American hang

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>is awesome because, like you said, you'll can just relax,

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you can get crazy and get weird, and just like

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be like, you know, like so

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>worried about the national thing. Yeah, like we impressing anyone.

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I like riding with those guys because they we refuse

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>to do anything normal. Let's just be weird. It's fun.

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like a soul filler day. You can push yourself. Yeah,

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 1>there's no boundaries. Just like, let's just get weird, write

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 1>something fun. I love it. Who else do you love

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>writing with? I am really digging writing with Randy Montana

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>right now. He's awesome and he had his own record

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>deal and did you have a hit song on the radio?

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>At one point he wrote SuDS in the Bucket? Yeah,

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't you haven't studied his catalog, unfortunately, don't know.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>But all I know is that he's badass and we

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>are writing great songs. We got We just got John

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Party Cut together. Um. One of my favorite songs I

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>wrote last year he John Party Cut, which that never happens,

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>you know. Usually you write a song with an artist

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>or the producer or somebody associated. But it's really hard,

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I found to get an outside song cut. Yes, when

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>an artist is not writing on the song. Just hard. Yeah,

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.919
<v Speaker 1>and truly. We wrote this song with Jamie Stover and

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>this is one of my favorites. And what's it called? Um,

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.160
<v Speaker 1>it's called turn You Down or Can't Turn You Down.

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what they ended up going with for

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the title, but I don't care. They could call it,

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's just a cool vibe song. Randy can sing anything,

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>and I like it, but I like him. I'm really

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>digging around with Matt Jenkins right now. And he wrote

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>cop Car where It's at Oh for Dustin Lynch. He

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>just wrote Confession the Floor George Line number one. Dang. Yeah,

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>he's badass and I love always love Carry Barlow. R

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 1>Barlow's well, I mean, other than the hand guys, I

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>mean those those guys are the days that I like,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>I refuse to do anything normal for those guys. You know,

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that's awesome. It's like today we're gonna write something great

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>or we're not going to write at all. Like that,

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I refuse to let this right go to waste. How

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>awesome is that? Here are your favorite artists work with? Um?

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Well right now? As far as the mean production or

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>writing either well, obviously, Chris has been one of my

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>favorite of all time. I mean just for obvious reasons,

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 1>and we're good buddies and we write good stuff. And

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>also you produce Chris. I don't know if I said

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that me and him and him actually co produced his record,

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>which is fun because I love having Chris's studio brain

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>like associated with it too, because he's really great in

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the studio. As far as the tons of good ideas, um,

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>he has a really good understanding of you know where

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna end up, you know what I mean, because

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to see that vision m But I love

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. I'm working on a new artist, seth Innish

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>right now. That's Sony. He is awesome. He's the first

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>one that I've been a part of from like conception

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of him, Like I I found him, brought him to Scott,

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we signed him some publishing deal, we got him a

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>record deal, and then now I'm working on his records.

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It was really fun. Yeah, totally Yeah. Um, I just

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>cut some size with Cassidy Pope. Love her. She's so

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>good and she's just like cool. She is the coolest, Yeah,

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the coolest. I mean, she's if if I were a girl,

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I would want to be like Cassie, you know what

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean. She has a tattoo sleeve. She's like a

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>beautiful girl. But she's also like a super cool hang. Yeah,

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like I don't know, She's just and she's an

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable singer. Yeah, she's just like great energy, great vibes

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>to be around. Um, Kale Dodds. I just produced his stuff.

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I love working with one of the best buds. Um.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I did Jamie Lynn Spears, did Brittany? Oh yeah? What

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>was Brittany like? And I love Jamie Lynn. She was

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>so cool, gorgeous, she is gorgeous everything. Kind of one

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>of those people though, because you've only seen him on TV, Yes,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>they don't feel real. Yeah, exactly, you're talking. I'm talking

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to her. I know she's a real person, but for

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>some reason, she just doesn't seem like I can't believe it. Yeah,

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I know. There's only a few people in that category

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for me, and they're kind of mainly pop stars because

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>country is so like tangible for us, you know, like

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>we're so involved in this community, like Katie Perry and

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>like Britney Spears and Jennifer Lopez. I was like that.

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>When I met me and Landy were in Vegas, I

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>was I was out riding with Rascal Flats and they

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>got asked by Steven Tyler to come watch one of

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>his shows. So afterwards, so we got the Sweet. Now.

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was cool, just like that was cool

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>for me just to watch him play from a Sweet

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas, And then Jodan was like, hey, you want

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to go down to his green room and kick it

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>with him? And I was like, uh yeah, yeah, awesome.

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Seeing him in person was kind of like, what the heck?

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>What was that? Like, he's awesome and he's around Nashville

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>now a lot. Yeah, and I know a lot of

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>my friends have written with him and like know him,

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't make it any less crazy. Yeah, I'd

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>be like that around Dave Girl too. I'm a big

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Dave Girl fan, so I think I would geek out

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>over day Girl. Yeah, okay, so who would you geek

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>out of her? Dave Girl, Dave Girl for sure. Um,

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna laugh. But Ellie Goulding, you love her and

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>it has nothing to do with it. It looks it

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>is strictly you know that song. Michael loves that song too.

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>You know why I got you on my mind? So Walker,

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>my little boy thinks that it says why I got

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>you all my mommy. And so this is kind of kicky,

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 1>but we just like let him embrace it and he

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>sings it. Uh, and so it's really funny. Every morning,

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>like this morning, just a minute ago, he said, can

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>we have a dance party in my jeep? So we like,

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>are we probably look so goofy me in this three

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 1>year on the back and we're like, well, I got

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>you all my mommy. Um. I would geek out of

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>her though I don't know why. She just she's awesome,

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 1>so good. So what you talked to Brittany about? We

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>were filming something? Okayically is it recent? Yeah, we're filming

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>something for Jamie Lynn and she was in it. Okay,

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>that's all. I think. That's all I can probably. But

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>we're filming something that she was there, and she was

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>at Jamie Lynn's wedding too, so I got to meet

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>her there, but we were actually like in close quarters

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>like this for the she breathed on you, how Bresma.

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing, okay, and Jamie Lear. Jamie Lynn is amazing too.

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>She's her own talent, like and that's a c and

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that's a big shadow to live under for Jamie Lynn,

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. And she's like totally emerged as her own.

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>She does her own things. Does there's at least I

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>don't pick up on it. I don't think there's any weirdness.

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't either she I think she just does her

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like she does too, and she's just chill.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>We just cut some new stuff on her and it

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>is bad. And her voice is great. Oh yeah, and

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>it's developed like into this like cool thing where she

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>has super confidence in it now and like it's just

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>tone and it's just a very unique, its own thing.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>It's really cool. Her live show has gotten so good

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and like I mean, she just kind of like over

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the years grew up and created this thing and I

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>think people are gonna dig this new stuff. We can't

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>wait to hear it. Her and Liz and Heather Morgan

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and Emily Shackleton. They all went to the beach, Tina

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Parole and all these all these girls. I'm missing people,

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>but they all went to the beach and they wrote you,

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go. There's too many girls. You

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>can't handle this hand female. I can't. So I got

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>one at home. That was enough. So they wrote these

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>awesome songs and they came back and uh, it's so

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited for people to hear it. I'm just

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I love being a part of her stuff. That's awesome. Yeah,

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. I'm lucky. I'm I'm getting to produce a

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of cool stuff and and write on stuff. I

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>just I'm having fun. That's my one rule in production.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>If I'm not having fun, I'm not gonna do it.

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Um that's that. That's why production world's for me. If

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I can have fun with it and like be excited

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>about it, then I want to do it. But if

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it's stressful and it's just a job, I don't that's

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing or anything. Your inspiration for producing, Like, how

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>do you because Okay, I don't know if people regular

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>people who aren't in the music industry know this, but

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>like building tracks and all the behind the scenes production,

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like it's very complex. How do you figure out where

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>you want to go and where you're inspired? You know,

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I really don't. I just like every day pray that,

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>like I don't run out of that inspiration. Yeah, I mean,

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm serious. It's like you, I really have no reason

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>why it's there, Like why I'm able to hear a

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>song and nowhere I wanted to go and be confident

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>in it or wake up with a new idea to write,

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>or wake up with a new groove or melody to do.

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea why that's there, And I just

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like staying thankful for it, just like please don't

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>let it run out. And I guess if it ran out,

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I'd just take a trip for a little bit and

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>just try to get But um, I think part of

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>part of that is just surrounding myself with really talented people,

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>uh to stay fed and inspired because I'm I think

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>it's that's what's cool about co writing and uh, working

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>with different people as they inspire you in different ways.

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I mean I write. When I write with Randy,

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I write a certain kind of song, like I don't know,

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 1>it's just like we're in a band for the day,

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the same wavelength. Yeah, And the same

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>thing with Michael. It's like me and Michael right songs

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 1>that we write like you know what I mean, Like

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they know, like we're like in a band for the day.

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like, and that's what we get. What comes out

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>of those right sounds like me and him. So it's

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>almost like putting it in a different way, like how

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you have friends, like your relationship like with your wife,

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.720
<v Speaker 1>or your relationship as a with a friend. It's different

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 1>in each friendship, so like it right with a different person,

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>it's different and eats right, Yeah it is. I love that.

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know there's some people that you know,

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>they always write songs that sound like them, But I

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>love I kind of like hopping on different trains, you know,

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 1>every day. It just keeps me interested. So you know,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>one day we might write a super pop song, you know,

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and one day it might be super country, might super

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>rock one day. I love that. That's fun. Yeah. Is

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it stressful thinking about having to get cuts or do

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>you just let that go. Tell me, tell people what

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like being a professional songwriter, like you said, not

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>an artist, you know, just needing other artists to cut

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>your songs. What does that feel like? Um Man, It's

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>hard to describe. It's it's a scary, unknown feeling. And

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>there's like there's so many factors that play into it,

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>like who your friends with, um and that I don't

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>mean that is like a something shady goes on. I

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>just mean like just by nature of business, like people

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like doing business with people they're friends with. So it's like,

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, if I'm not friends with just pick an

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>artist Tim mcgrawl. If I'm not, if he's not a

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>good buddy of mine, and none of his camp is

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 1>good buddies of mind, harder to get a song in

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that camp then it would be if those were my

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>good pals. And I'm just using as an example that

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely not a true statement about that, but it's

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>like it just so that just means and so you

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>know you kind of can you kind of have to

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>embrace that a little bit and just be like and

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>not your feelings hurt um and just try to write

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the best song you can every day. But also, you know,

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I will say there is another element of like being

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>smart about it and being like, hey, look, I know

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Luke Bryan's making a record coming up, you know, and

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't hurt for me to like get in that

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>headspace for a few weeks and like just really like

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>try to listen to what his records and like what

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>he how what his language is, you know, to know

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>like and and just shoot for it. I mean, it

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't hurt. I mean, there's everybody has different approaches. I

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 1>just I enjoy that, like trying to get my brain

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>into his what would he want to say? And how

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>do you want to say it? It's cool, um and

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 1>all that mixed into like what you do naturally, you know.

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>So that's a lot. It's head games, it is, And

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I think the biggest thing I've learned is embracing that, Like,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be the best writer for every record, right,

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>so I might not be the dude that ever gets

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a carry Underwood cut, And I'm I'm okay with that.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I would love carry Ingerwood Cut, but like, maybe I'm

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>not the best writer for carry Underwood record. You know,

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>there's probably much better writers in town that write that stuff,

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>but maybe I am the best writer for Chris record,

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, and I think just kind of embracing that, like, hey, look,

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you can't be badass at every genre and style and

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>when there's so many different flavors. Yeah, So I think

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>just like that's been really big for me in the

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>last year, just kind of embracing like, Okay, I'm me

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and this is what I'm good at. I'm just gonna

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>do me and whatever that produces the beginning and when

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you write it out as long as you can. I

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>can't remember who told me this. They said, if you

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>if you have one run in this town. I think

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>it was Mark D. Sanders, Maybe I might be wrong

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 1>with he said, if you have one run as a

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 1>song in this town, you're so lucky. If you have

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>two runs in this town, you're a legend. And I

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh damn. And it's true because like a

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>run meaning like you have a streak of cuts and

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>singles and hits, and like a real run, you're on

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>your run right now. I hope it keeps going. But

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.919
<v Speaker 1>like if you have if you're lucky enough to have one,

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that the one that lasts long time, you're like, it's

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 1>super fortunate. But if you can like stick around like

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Liz has, like stick around for like multiple decades and

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>like still get cuts and still have singles like all

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>of Taylor Swiss first album, like songs about Rain. For

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Gary Allen, this is an unbelievable song. Crazy girl. Yeah,

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>uh she a girl crush. She has like a bunch

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>of cuts coming out. I think I don't want to

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>speak too soon on catch she has. But she's she's

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>like she's a freak. Yeah, she's I learned. Every time

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.439
<v Speaker 1>I write with this, I'll learned. What do you learn?

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 1>She's not afraid. She's like the most fearless writer I've

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>ever spit out stuff. She didn't care. She's not worried

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:29.319
<v Speaker 1>about you thinking she sounds stupid. And that is so

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>she dares to suck every day and could care Like

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I love it. It's the best and get such good

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:35.919
<v Speaker 1>songs that way, because then, like all of a sudden,

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>it will trigger something in your mind that you wouldn't

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>have thought about. Yeah, stream of consciousness. Just she spits

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>it out. I love it. It makes rights with her

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>so fun, And they tend to go fast because of that,

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>because there's not a lot of like silent sitting and

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>so she has a great stream of consciousness. She does

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 1>another thing like she has a good a lot of

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>thoughts happening. Yeah, I mean her her like songwriting form

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>like that would be what we're talking about, is really great.

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>But also she has a lot of talent. To me,

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that form it doesn't it doesn't happen well, I mean,

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you can spit out a bunch of bull crap, but

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>she actually has great stuff stuff. Yeah, so she I've

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.280
<v Speaker 1>learned a lot from her. So just to be more fearless,

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you seem fearless. I mean I'm getting way more fearless

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>day by day with do you think I should get older?

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>You just kind of get more like you're saying, just

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>like this is me, this is what I do, Like

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what you're good at now, So like you

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>can just feel more comfortable to yourself. Maybe it is

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>aged too, just a little bit of maturity. I don't know.

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably a mixture of that. And you

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 1>know once you once you feel what it's like to

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.439
<v Speaker 1>get a cut or like have a single, it's like

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the confidence level goes up. Yeah, Like I think before

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of felt like, man, I could write

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the best song that's ever happened, and it wouldn't matter.

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And so like that thought keeps you from writing good

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff because we build our own like walls, ceilings. It's like,

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>what is it called? Like it's a self fulfilling, self

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 1>fulfilling prophecy. It's almost like you Timshaw, he's a Titans film,

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a platformer, and he said the same thing. We all

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>decide where we're like the highest we can go, and

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, like we put limits on ourselves. Yeah, and

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like once you realize like, oh my god, like

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I could, I can. I can write songs and they

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 1>can be singles and they can be number one songs

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and you can be that I can produce records that

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>are hit records, and like you start believing this about

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>yourself and then it and then it just starts happening,

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, And so it's like it's kind of an

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>amazing there's probably a deeper lesson to be learned than

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>life about that. But I think manifesting vision being of it.

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you are you like do you visualize? Yeah? I

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>mean how do you visualize? I mean I don't like

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not intentional about it. I think that's just my

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>personality in general. So what does that look like in

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>your head? You know? Like I always tell any action

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>is the best action, okay, and she was. She always

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>hates when I say that because she's like a thinker

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and planner, and I'm like, no, just act and like,

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 1>let God change your mind. If for some reason you're

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>going on the wrong course, they'll just fix it. That's

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>so true. Act. Don't wait, just act. And that's kind

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>of how I do, even in this setting. It's just

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 1>like just go, I'm just gonna start building. Do you

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>get like an urge or something or how do you

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 1>know what to act? I just go and gut. You know,

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I've never I've never gone on gut and regretted it.

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. And I think that's like God talking

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 1>to us, right, Yeah, I think that's your intuition and

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you're you know, discernment, you know, in life. Just I

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>think we're all probably given that to a degree and

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>we just have to learn to trust it. Don't you

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 1>think people are scared to trust it? Yes, Like you

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 1>have to choose to trust your gut in your intuition.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think at this point I've heard the word

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:50.879
<v Speaker 1>no so many times, and I'm kind of just like

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean anything to me, So it's like or

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>like that sucks, you know, So it's it's just like,

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>what's the worst that could happen? You know, it's not

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>that big of a deal. I've I've hit plenty of

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>walls in life to now know, like it's not I

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 1>that's too short, yellow man, Yellow? When did you start

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>trusting your intuition? Though? I've kind of always been that guy?

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I went to I went to college. I

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.919
<v Speaker 1>didn't like it. I'm not college, so I just didn't

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>go to class. I just fished and road jet skis

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and drink. Did you stay in college and played shows?

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I stayed until the free college ran up from Georgia.

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>How do you get free college? They have hope grant um.

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>But like I knew immediately I wanted to be a musician.

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.359
<v Speaker 1>So I just played shows and I stayed at home

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote and I played in bands. Didn't go

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to class. Tell my parents, no, you didn't care that

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you failed out of college. I didn't. But it was

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that like I didn't care, I knew.

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I just trusted this is what I want to do.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>That's a serious trust. And so I just, you know,

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I just started going on that path, like Nope, I

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't go to class. I didn't. It's funny. I mean,

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I just we just wrote around jet skis every day,

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.919
<v Speaker 1>and I mean I went from time to time, but

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>it was very rare. But it worked out. Not worked out.

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 1>You're just like, nope, not doing it, Michael, are going

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 1>to college either. I grew up thinking you had to

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>go to college and get a degree. But like that

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>is true. Okay, I'm not saying some people need to

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 1>go to college for their career and they feel called

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to be a doctor or a lawyer or a dinist

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:32.719
<v Speaker 1>or something. But other people feel called to be a

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:35.200
<v Speaker 1>musician or something that doesn't involve college. And college is

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 1>not necessary for everyone. And I did not know that,

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't have to go to college. Yeah, I

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 1>mean I do feel bad like encouraging people not to

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>get to college. But if you don't need it, then

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't go. Yeah, I mean, I do think that

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 1>sometimes college is good to help you figure out who

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>you are and what you want to do. So sometimes

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 1>it's just good to go just by default just learn

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 1>you know what you want to do. But I do

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>think the whole like go to college and just get

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>a degree to get one, it's kind of weird. It

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 1>is weird society thing we do. Yeah, because like what

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>if you don't even like your degree? Yeah, I mean

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>like like my my brother was is a good example

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>of like he went and got an agriculture degree and

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>at the time, everybody, Mom, I remember us being like,

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>why would you do that? But it's so awesome that

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 1>he did it because he knew he wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a fireman. But he now runs a freaking farm

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<v Speaker 1>and it loves it. And now that agriculture degree couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be more important. But he knew he knew that that's

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<v Speaker 1>where he really wanted to go. UM, want have to

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<v Speaker 1>follow your love, like your love right, Yeah, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna wrap up because I know you have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to do because you're like almost having Well you're

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting, Corey. I like to wrap up with leave

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<v Speaker 1>your life. So basically leave some inspiration, something that's inspired

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<v Speaker 1>you or that you live by, or how you want

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<v Speaker 1>to inspire people. Um, I would say, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>get up this is there's a Bob Dealing quote that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna butcher, but I'm just gonna do the court

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<v Speaker 1>crowded version. If you can get up every day and

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<v Speaker 1>love what you do, you're a success, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you define success. And I think that if if,

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<v Speaker 1>if everybody in the world would just follow their passion

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<v Speaker 1>and love and do what they love every day, that

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<v Speaker 1>they would feel successful regardless of money, and they'd be happier,

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<v Speaker 1>and that probably the world be a better place. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's I had this conversation with a good

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<v Speaker 1>friend yesterday that I used to be my guitar player

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to convince them to move here, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just told him, I was like, dude, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no dollar sign on happiness. If God meant for

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<v Speaker 1>you to be a guitar player or a musician, then

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you're meant to do. And until you do it,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't be happy. And you could probably live the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of your life and make crazy money and be unhappy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just I always it's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>big believer and like, do you and do what you

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<v Speaker 1>meant for at all costs, And totally, I know that's

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<v Speaker 1>cheesy and cliche. I just think it's it's so important.

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<v Speaker 1>You only one life. And like my grandma used to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, you know, she always used to push this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff too, and it's like she did. She ran a

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry business. She loved jewelry. She ran her whole life

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<v Speaker 1>and they never made much money. They were broke her

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<v Speaker 1>whole life, Like I think she like when she died,

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<v Speaker 1>they were just in massive debt. But it didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>She was happy. She was like super pumped about life

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<v Speaker 1>because she did but she loved she loved talking to

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<v Speaker 1>people and bullshitting with people every day and buying jewelry

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<v Speaker 1>and making jewelry. And I just you know, so I've

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<v Speaker 1>always just kind of lived by those rules that the

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<v Speaker 1>way to go. Well, thank you, cord Her, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what's going to come on? Caralve Caral love. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a queen of talking, he Caral. I hope you guys

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<v Speaker 1>loved hearing from Korey crowd. He is so awesome. Next

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<v Speaker 1>week is really cool because I'm having an industry executive,

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<v Speaker 1>White the big wig, come in and tell us all

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<v Speaker 1>the secrets and all the dirt that goes on behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. Rod Es he runs CIA, which is Creative

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<v Speaker 1>Artists Agency. It's one of the biggest talent agencies in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and he's one of the biggest big wigs

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<v Speaker 1>at that company. And he's going to tell us all

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<v Speaker 1>about Share Sonny, and share all of the acts that

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<v Speaker 1>he works with, from Tim McCraw to Lady Antebellum to

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift to Julian Huff. He has worked with everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>done everything, He knows everything, and he's so hilarious and

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<v Speaker 1>so charismatic. So y'all get excited to hear from Rod

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<v Speaker 1>Essex next week. Don't forget to subscribe on iTunes and

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