Speaker 1: Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man.
Speaker 1: She's only yes side. You got the snoop on the
Speaker 1: on the on side. No one can do within clide Carola, Carola,
Speaker 1: No one can do within Cli Carola Carolina. Hey y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I know music, I know people, and I know the
Speaker 1: questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper
Speaker 1: heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there
Speaker 1: could be adult content. Hey y'all, welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I am Caroline Hobby. And this week we have Corey Crowder.
Speaker 1: He is a ball are a producer. He just produced
Speaker 1: all of Chris Young's album. He's also producing Cassidy Pope
Speaker 1: and he's a hit songwriter. He wrote I'm coming over
Speaker 1: and thank of you for Chris Young and thank of you?
Speaker 1: What could you wet with christ Young and Cassidy Pope?
Speaker 1: That was off the chain. And he just had a
Speaker 1: baby girl named Carolina Joy. We were talking about it
Speaker 1: in the interview and she wasn't out the oven yet
Speaker 1: and she just popped out a little sweet girl named
Speaker 1: Carolina Joy. So y'all get ready to welcome the amazing
Speaker 1: Corey Crowder. Hi, Corey Crowders. How's it going. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to be here with you today. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to be here and a lot of people. It's really
Speaker 1: exciting too because you're like my husband, Michael's doppelganger and
Speaker 1: brother from another mother. Yep, he's uh, he's one of my
Speaker 1: my best buds ever and y'all match the match. He's
Speaker 1: the long haired rock star version of me. Oh whatever,
Speaker 1: you are both ripped, yeah, yeah, shredded and I got
Speaker 1: that dad body right now? What is the dad bought exactly?
Speaker 1: Do you really want to Yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: pounds of extra loving you know, maybe a little man boob,
Speaker 1: maybe a little you know tie around the waist. Well,
Speaker 1: you have more people to love, Hey, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of me to love well, and that you have to
Speaker 1: love your wife, your son, and you have a new
Speaker 1: baby coming, so I just need more of me to
Speaker 1: get to give that. Yeah, that's why that makes sense
Speaker 1: to daddy sonic. I had this morning that just that
Speaker 1: was just to give love. It's all you could do
Speaker 1: sometimes it's the only option. Yeah, it was. That was
Speaker 1: all I had that was urban Juicer down the road,
Speaker 1: but Sonic was like, now, iurban juicer looks like I'll
Speaker 1: be just stressed out the rest of the day and
Speaker 1: then it might give you, like the runs or something
Speaker 1: because of that vegetable juice. Sonic definitely doesn't give you
Speaker 1: the runs, right, Okay, So I'm gonna start off with
Speaker 1: a few questions. All right, m are you ready? I'm ready.
Speaker 1: If you're for a song, what would the title be?
Speaker 1: Because you're a hit songwriter, so that's only fitting my
Speaker 1: life for a song. Uh, it would be a long
Speaker 1: the long and bumpy road. Why do you say that? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's been along with bump your own but awesome, it's
Speaker 1: been It's at least been scenic, right yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the the two minute version is. You know,
Speaker 1: I started out playing bars. I'm from Georgia, small town Loganville.
Speaker 1: Um started playing bars, and then just like everybody, and
Speaker 1: then that turned into that turned into like writing for
Speaker 1: I wrote a bunch of TV stuff. I had a
Speaker 1: bunch of TV songs on TV shows, which, Okay, tell
Speaker 1: that story because that's really interesting, random and like it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to everyone, right, So I mean I was
Speaker 1: just a kid who thought I was just gonna play
Speaker 1: bars for fun, and then I had music on my
Speaker 1: Space if you remember much Oh gosh, yeah, like dating
Speaker 1: myself now that we're old. I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: my space is like no young kids even know what
Speaker 1: that is. I know, well three MP three dot com
Speaker 1: was was my first. You know, nobody even remembers that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: why the same age? How you turned thirty three this
Speaker 1: year to twins? Um? So okay. So the guy from
Speaker 1: Buna Murray, which does like Real World road Rules, the
Speaker 1: Kardashians all that stuff. Anyway, he calls me and he's like,
Speaker 1: you want to be a cast member on Real World.
Speaker 1: We're casting like a musicians aspiring to do this, And
Speaker 1: I just knew what they were gonna do to me.
Speaker 1: They will put me on the show, and they put
Speaker 1: me they get me drunk, and they put like a
Speaker 1: bunch of beautiful women around me and make me look
Speaker 1: like the guy, the jerk that you know, and that's
Speaker 1: just not your personality. No, it couldn't be any less
Speaker 1: a personality. So I was like, man, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to fulfill the role you want me to fill. I'm
Speaker 1: so about you just use my music, And I was joking, really,
Speaker 1: how old were you at this point, like nineteen? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, okay, and uh and I just recorded stuff
Speaker 1: in my room, you know, just on acoustic and he
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'd love to do that. And I
Speaker 1: swear from that point on, they just started using the
Speaker 1: crap out of it. So you recorded all this music
Speaker 1: and it went straight into like real world episodes. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: some of the things you had, Biggest Loser, MTVS, Real World,
Speaker 1: Bad Girls, One Tree Hill. Uh, yeah, that's crazy and
Speaker 1: TV places are that's like some serious dough for a kid.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, and it's instant. It is instant. And
Speaker 1: because people don't realize, like when you get a single
Speaker 1: or when you write a song and it gets on
Speaker 1: an album of an artist, it might take years to
Speaker 1: release and then you might not even ever get a
Speaker 1: single or much money. Yeah. Yeah, you might not get
Speaker 1: money at all, um, especially because if you have to
Speaker 1: recoup from a publishing deal or something. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: no publishing. I didn't even know what publishing was. So
Speaker 1: you're like rolling in dough at nineteen. I was paying
Speaker 1: my bills, but so it did kind of give me
Speaker 1: this like, oh my god, I could do music for
Speaker 1: a living. And so I ended up signing an independent
Speaker 1: record deal and then I didn't go so well, and
Speaker 1: then I just it was it was kind of a
Speaker 1: Christian based thing. But I really wasn't a Christian artist. Wait,
Speaker 1: wasn't your band called your first band called Farewell to Arms?
Speaker 1: It was? I was really into Dashboard Confessional and I
Speaker 1: wanted to be him so bad, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I just named myself something like a band, called myself
Speaker 1: a feral to Arms. It worked, I mean for that
Speaker 1: scene of music, it worked. Was that your first record deal?
Speaker 1: That band? No. I ended up going by Corey Crowder
Speaker 1: on the record deal. Um, but I wasn't a Christian
Speaker 1: artist and they were pushing me as one. It didn't work.
Speaker 1: I didn't I had no business being in that genre. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's kind of taught me a few lessons
Speaker 1: and ended up getting a developmental deal with Sony. Uh.
Speaker 1: That brought me back to Nashville. And back to Nashville.
Speaker 1: I lived to Nashville for like eight months when all
Speaker 1: the Christian stuff is going on, and it was I
Speaker 1: just I didn't know anybody. It was kind of depressing
Speaker 1: being here when you don't know anybody young and just
Speaker 1: like broke because it's so expensive here, just so broke, golly.
Speaker 1: I mean, me and Landy used to eat are like
Speaker 1: really nice meal. Was going to outback and eating French
Speaker 1: onion soup and free bread. That was really nice. Aren't
Speaker 1: you glad you had the hungry years though? Yes, no doubt,
Speaker 1: because it makes you who you are, it does. I'm
Speaker 1: very thankful for him. We're spoiled now. But they But
Speaker 1: I had a developmental deal that introduced me to every
Speaker 1: writer in town that I wanted, had ever wanted to
Speaker 1: write with. And it's such a huge writing community here,
Speaker 1: it is, and and the biggest part for me was
Speaker 1: just getting to know the people. Uh. And I signed
Speaker 1: a publishing deal with Universal and they just got introduced
Speaker 1: to a lot and it was like for me, it
Speaker 1: was like songwriting camp. Even though I had written, you know,
Speaker 1: three independent albums for myself, I didn't really know how
Speaker 1: to write a song. I just was just winging it. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, why did you start writing songs when
Speaker 1: you're a kid? I don't know, I really don't. I
Speaker 1: had no big awesome story about that. I just just
Speaker 1: started doing it and liked it. Yeah, I played guitar.
Speaker 1: I took lessons as a kid. Um, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know I could sing good, like nobody, nobody in my
Speaker 1: family's musical so I had no idea and I started, like,
Speaker 1: I think our youth group at church needed somebody to
Speaker 1: play guitar, and they were like, do you sing it all?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't think I sing good.
Speaker 1: And then I was saying and they were all like, man,
Speaker 1: you sing really good. You have a great voice, like
Speaker 1: one of the best. Well at the time, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you've never been told you're good,
Speaker 1: you just think you're just and you're not from like
Speaker 1: a musical community. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't have anybody
Speaker 1: that taught me. I didn't know. Uh, But so I
Speaker 1: started just writing songs just for fun, I guess. And
Speaker 1: then the real world happened, and then the development deal, well,
Speaker 1: then the first record deal and then the sony. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was definitely like I mean not to
Speaker 1: over spiritualize it, but like I definitely think it was
Speaker 1: one of those things that God had to kind of
Speaker 1: like create a few of those things for me to
Speaker 1: just or else I would have never believed it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, given you those opportunities that were
Speaker 1: kind of just pulled you in your undeserved Really as
Speaker 1: far as like I didn't work for him early on,
Speaker 1: it was just more you know, I think God's way
Speaker 1: of being like, Hey, here's yours is where you're going?
Speaker 1: I'm hello, We're in an interview. You think I'm joined this?
Speaker 1: Come on, say hi? This is you got to talk
Speaker 1: in the microphone? Is you have to tell us? One
Speaker 1: in lightning thing? This is Corey's publisher right now, you're
Speaker 1: on you say something right now. It's not Scott. Scott's
Speaker 1: has prouder moments in this. He's behind the scenes. This
Speaker 1: is the man making of Heaven interview. So we're at
Speaker 1: Corey's publishing company right now, and that was his publisher
Speaker 1: that popped in. Publishing companies are so fun. There's always
Speaker 1: cool people around the building. Songwriters are coming in like
Speaker 1: this place is a family too, because you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a fast forward a little bit, like you know,
Speaker 1: when I my deal at Universal ended, I haven't gotten
Speaker 1: there Sony first, Sony, I didn't my record deal didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I had a developmental deal. Um, it just never fully
Speaker 1: developed into something I delivered sides and well. And maybe,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like it happened so young, you
Speaker 1: weren't quite fully ready for it, because you said, like
Speaker 1: you were talking about it was spiritual, like God had
Speaker 1: given you these things you weren't maybe deserving them yet
Speaker 1: to let you know this was your path. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know you were deserving him because he gave you
Speaker 1: the talent for it. Yeah. I mean, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean by that. I mean there's people that
Speaker 1: just grind and grind. And when I I think, I
Speaker 1: associated writing and action and artists all in this like
Speaker 1: same hat um. But there I didn't realize that there
Speaker 1: was a career to be had for me in just
Speaker 1: writing and producing. Like I never considered that. I always
Speaker 1: thought like, man, I have to be an artist or
Speaker 1: else nothing or nothing. And then once I kind of
Speaker 1: started seeing the lighted the end of the tunnel, like
Speaker 1: I randomly got. Right after I got, I kind of
Speaker 1: lost my sony deal. I was still at Universal Writing UM,
Speaker 1: and Kenny Rogers randomly wanted to record a song of
Speaker 1: mine and so that was like the first moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh crap, like I could be a
Speaker 1: I could be a writer, Like only you know, like
Speaker 1: this is great, and that's kind of what spoke to
Speaker 1: your heart the most, right, Yeah, Because I mean I
Speaker 1: played shows. I mean from the time I was eighteen
Speaker 1: two seven when I stopped to being an artist and
Speaker 1: I was I mean, I played lots of dates, like
Speaker 1: I didn't do this whole weekend gig thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was going for months at a time, and and
Speaker 1: I never stopped getting nervous before I played. It's just
Speaker 1: so weird, like just you think, like over time you'd
Speaker 1: stop getting nervous. I didn't. I always was nervous. Did
Speaker 1: you dread it? Dreaded it as my least favorite part
Speaker 1: about what I did. Did you like it when you
Speaker 1: were on stage? I mean once I got a few
Speaker 1: songs in, it was cool, but I just it never
Speaker 1: felt like a natural spot for me. And so now
Speaker 1: it's just funny like now people be like, you don't
Speaker 1: miss me an artist. I'm like, hell no, God, that
Speaker 1: was no way I'd much of them to see my
Speaker 1: songs being so in front of ten tho people than
Speaker 1: be the guy totally. But I feel like we're talking
Speaker 1: a little bit before. Sometimes you don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're totally called to do. You just sort of start
Speaker 1: going towards a direction. And like with Nashville, there's so many,
Speaker 1: like you're saying earlier, there's so many different roads in
Speaker 1: this entertainment industry, but it's sort of hard to figure
Speaker 1: them out until you're just in it well. And part
Speaker 1: of it's too, Like you start going on, Man, I
Speaker 1: don't think I could get somebody excited about me as
Speaker 1: a writer. You know, you don't have the confidence in
Speaker 1: that yet. So you're like, I know I can get
Speaker 1: him excited about me as an artist, So let's do
Speaker 1: that and then let's just see what happens off of that,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just I think sometimes you just
Speaker 1: have to go with what what you what you think
Speaker 1: you can break in with and then um. But but
Speaker 1: people like Scott and Liz so you know, and those
Speaker 1: are your publishers. Oh, by the way, Scott and Liz
Speaker 1: Punts and Liz Rose, who wrote Girl Crush is Corey's publisher. Yes,
Speaker 1: Liz became a good friend of mine because I started
Speaker 1: working with Jamie Lynn Spears right at the end of
Speaker 1: my universal publishing deal, and Liz and I became good buddies.
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget I was. I was like shopping
Speaker 1: around to publishers, you know, they're taking meetings, and I
Speaker 1: hadn't really talked to Liz, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to, Like I didn't want to
Speaker 1: put in an awkward position to say no because we
Speaker 1: were buddies and writing. And so we were in the
Speaker 1: studio with Jamie Lynn. You're cutting and she goes, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. She goes, hey, I'm mad at you, by
Speaker 1: the way. I was like for what She was like,
Speaker 1: because you are looking for a publishing deal and you
Speaker 1: haven't talked to me. I was like, that's bullcrap, Like
Speaker 1: you knew I needed a publishing deal, you could have
Speaker 1: talked to me. And she was like, well, I want
Speaker 1: your publishing. I want to be I want to work
Speaker 1: with you. So I came and met with Scott and
Speaker 1: Natalie was here at the time, Natalie now married to
Speaker 1: Eric Paslay. I met them for beers and it was
Speaker 1: awesome and we started just kind of dating so to speak.
Speaker 1: And uh, and here I am this is I got married.
Speaker 1: We got married how's the marriage, man, We've had plenty
Speaker 1: of song babies together, which, by the way, we're kind
Speaker 1: of jumping everywhere. Corey's about to have his second number one.
Speaker 1: His first number one was Chris Young. I'm coming over.
Speaker 1: What that was a three week number one? Yeah, stupid,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And now you're having your second number one
Speaker 1: with Chris Young and Cassidy pulpits to do it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: They played it on the A c m S, which
Speaker 1: was amazing. That so does that just freak you out
Speaker 1: with excitement when you hear it? Like when you saw
Speaker 1: it on a c MS that was really cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: first of all, to see it played was really cool
Speaker 1: and see in person. But we had two nominations, so yeah,
Speaker 1: what were the nomination I went from two years before
Speaker 1: sitting in like the cheap seats to being on the
Speaker 1: nominee floor and like walking the red carpet of Chris.
Speaker 1: It was really happen. It seemed to me like it
Speaker 1: happened really fast, you know, like I know too, maybe
Speaker 1: people here I've been a while here how many years
Speaker 1: now six this time, and I've been around, and I
Speaker 1: know maybe it didn't seem that fast to other people.
Speaker 1: But god, it felt fast to me, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: just being Lane were walking the carpet and she was
Speaker 1: like whispering to me. She was like, this is weird.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, this is really weird. It's like,
Speaker 1: but don't act like it's weird. Just act like it's
Speaker 1: really normal. At least I saw Hobby, I saw I
Speaker 1: saw Michael like ahead of me, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, comfortable, I'll see this isn't that bizarre. And
Speaker 1: I was with Chris, so Chris is one of my
Speaker 1: best friends too, so it was like, but it is
Speaker 1: weird getting thrown into those situations because you belong there,
Speaker 1: but like it's also like, holy sh it, there's Jason
Speaker 1: Aldean and there's like, you know, Keith Urban. But it's
Speaker 1: weird because your community is now becoming those people, and
Speaker 1: because you're kind of right, you kind of rise up
Speaker 1: as class as I feel like in a way, and
Speaker 1: now it's like that's your people. Now they need you
Speaker 1: just as much as you need them, and everyone works together.
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? It is weird to be in that group.
Speaker 1: It it is when you think about it, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel very weird, you know. I mean because these
Speaker 1: are all buddies. Um, it is weird. It's weird. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. It was cool for me. My mom and
Speaker 1: my stepdad came out to Vegas and they've never this
Speaker 1: is the first time they've ever been kind of thrown
Speaker 1: into this world where they get to like see celebrities
Speaker 1: and stuff, and you know, we were just like we'd
Speaker 1: run into like Colsondale, it's a buddy from Georgia, you know,
Speaker 1: and like we'd like we'd shake hands and I was like, oh, dude,
Speaker 1: this is my mom and my dead Rick, and like
Speaker 1: they were they'd walk away and be like that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, that just didn't like hit
Speaker 1: me because it was just another human that you work
Speaker 1: with it, you know, yeah, because we know what, even
Speaker 1: though it looks like this to the world, it's not
Speaker 1: very flashy. Behind it's really not tell me what behind
Speaker 1: the scenes look like. To you, it looks like this,
Speaker 1: which is a beautiful studio on a beautiful day. Great
Speaker 1: Matt computer, got all your bells and whistles. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, everyone, in case you didn't know, Corey Crowd
Speaker 1: is the man responsible for my theme song. Okay, Caralin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I felt very honored you did that because
Speaker 1: you're very busy. So my theme song was very nice.
Speaker 1: If I haven't told you, this is where I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you. So We're in Vegas and Caroline is
Speaker 1: ever hanging out over this like me, Caroline just speaking
Speaker 1: about you in third person like Garth. You know. Okay,
Speaker 1: we were we were talking. I think me and Michael
Speaker 1: were playing blackjack or something and you were talking to
Speaker 1: Laney and you were like, I think you should name
Speaker 1: your baby because we're having a baby girl, and Caroline
Speaker 1: you were like, I think your name was Caroline. It's
Speaker 1: a strong name. We've I've never hated my name. It
Speaker 1: was my name, I know. So the next morning, me
Speaker 1: and Landy You're having breakfast and we're like, I was like,
Speaker 1: how how awesome is Caroline? I was like, she's so funny.
Speaker 1: She was like I love her and Michael, but my
Speaker 1: Landy is Corey's wife and she is one of the
Speaker 1: coolest chicks in this town. They're about to pop out
Speaker 1: their new baby. She's just a badass. She is beautiful
Speaker 1: inside and out. Yeah, I weigh out punted my coverage.
Speaker 1: You guys are a great couple. You are a power couple.
Speaker 1: She We were like, man, Caroline is a cool name.
Speaker 1: And then our waitress walks up and she's just like
Speaker 1: kind of exotic looking lady like she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe a Filipino or something. I don't know, but she
Speaker 1: says in her name Texas Carolina. I love Carolina, And
Speaker 1: I was like, lady, you're gonna name of Carolina. That's
Speaker 1: the name Carolina, Carolina Joy. So it was totally inspired.
Speaker 1: I love. It was inspired by our conversation Carolina Joy.
Speaker 1: And then we started thinking. We started thinking. Me and
Speaker 1: Landy got married and we lived in South Carolina for
Speaker 1: four years, so we started and so I was like,
Speaker 1: Carolina Crowder sounds like a strong name. It sounds like
Speaker 1: she's gonna be a badass, Like what is she going
Speaker 1: to do something amazing? And it doesn't sound like a
Speaker 1: stripper names that I was worried about. It sounds beautiful Carolina.
Speaker 1: I want to cry. And so this is a cool
Speaker 1: night story too. So my mom's middle name is Joy,
Speaker 1: which is one reason why we were doing it. When
Speaker 1: people live up to their names totally, if you give
Speaker 1: her the name Joy, she's going to be joyful. And
Speaker 1: this is you're gonna you can give you chills. So
Speaker 1: we decide on Carolina Joy. Laney has a aunt that
Speaker 1: she was adopted, and she really didn't have any family,
Speaker 1: like her only family was lady's parents, and like she's
Speaker 1: always around, super nice Joy Harris. She was like the coolest.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just considered her an aunt, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: And so we told her. We were like, hey, you know.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons too we like Joy was because
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, Joy Harris, duh, Like how cool
Speaker 1: is that? So we told her and she flipped out.
Speaker 1: She was like because, I mean it felt made her
Speaker 1: feel like part of the family. Well, like two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: she died of a heart attack, like in the middle
Speaker 1: of academy sports, and I was like, this is this
Speaker 1: is unbelievable, Like, and we're about to have a little girl.
Speaker 1: Her name is Joy, you know, like Caroline Joy. But
Speaker 1: how amazing that you told her, I know, And she
Speaker 1: was so happy, like just bragging about at the beach
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, what a cool I mean
Speaker 1: terrible devastating, very hard for the family, but um, what
Speaker 1: a cool thing for her to have known about. So
Speaker 1: Caroline Joy, it's a super meaningful name and you're part
Speaker 1: of it. First off, Carolina. I've thought about the name
Speaker 1: Carolina before because it's so beautiful, like in Carolina, the South,
Speaker 1: North and South Carolina. There's some of the best cities
Speaker 1: in those states. Like you said, you'll have a connection
Speaker 1: to it and it's original. And I'm telling you Carolina
Speaker 1: has with the best name. That's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to tell you. Always sold myself. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: never know, people might call her Caroline. I mean, might
Speaker 1: just be easier to say than Carolina. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so awesome. I'm so happy to give you a small party.
Speaker 1: You were ladies like you should tell her that. So
Speaker 1: that I was like, I don't think she knows. I
Speaker 1: know Michael knows, but that's so awesome of publish Carolina June. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he was like, oh yeah, oh, it's so awesome.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to meet it. Okay, Okay, conversations, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's no real path here. It's like the bumping, bumping,
Speaker 1: long road. Like you said, that's the same thing with
Speaker 1: this interview. We can go wherever we want. I think
Speaker 1: me and Michael have the same A D D as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, Michael. Oh, yeah, you guys. I love watching
Speaker 1: out together. He gets so excited when he sees you.
Speaker 1: We yeah, you know. I told lady my favorite part
Speaker 1: about people like him is I can turn off the
Speaker 1: Nashville thing. Not that you turn on this like need
Speaker 1: to like be guarded or to like it sounds so dumb,
Speaker 1: but like when he's when I'm around Hobby, there's no
Speaker 1: like we're not talking about music, and if we are,
Speaker 1: it's not yeah, we're just hanging like it is just
Speaker 1: we can just be like, I don't feel like there's
Speaker 1: any agenda ever, it's just hanging, which y'all created the
Speaker 1: American hang because of that reason, which tell me about
Speaker 1: that that is exactly what you're talking about with the
Speaker 1: class though, So me and Michael. Michael actually had the idea.
Speaker 1: He was like, what if we every Monday just got
Speaker 1: some beer and just wrote a song or didn't just
Speaker 1: but just try it, just hung out to put yourself
Speaker 1: in the space to do it. Yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's credity. I mean, and neither one of us had
Speaker 1: ship going on, like nothing like no number one songs, no,
Speaker 1: like they had lost their record deal. I think from
Speaker 1: what scope. So they were here like trying, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get a deal, just like touring, trying to write,
Speaker 1: but like trying to get something going. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: had just lost my deal and I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure my life out. Aren't those moments like before you
Speaker 1: get to the next moment of greatness? Aren't those moments
Speaker 1: kind of like this? Do you ever feel like anything
Speaker 1: ever gonna? Yes? I mean we did. This is our
Speaker 1: conversations every time we got it out. We were like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we could write the best song ever and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter, like you know what it cares. But
Speaker 1: so he was like, who do you think we should get?
Speaker 1: And I was like, we should get near Mason Cata
Speaker 1: like three who they didn't have anything going on either.
Speaker 1: They were at atually called Cadillite Black I think it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that's ye. And then Kale Dodds is one
Speaker 1: of my best friends, like from for my whole life,
Speaker 1: Like I've known him since he was a kid. I
Speaker 1: don't know that far back. Oh yeah, And I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: we gotta get Kale. And I was like, well, there's
Speaker 1: our there's our forsome. So every Monday night we would
Speaker 1: write demo and drink while writing, and then we'd go
Speaker 1: to M. L. Rose and play hoop shoot and drink beer.
Speaker 1: And I mean it was just a ritual. And we
Speaker 1: ended up writing like a bunch of the Thousand Horses
Speaker 1: stuff unintentionally, like drunk off Southern reality yep. And we
Speaker 1: uh and we jokingly because Neil's band used to be
Speaker 1: called American Bang. Kale was like, we should call it
Speaker 1: American Hang. Neil was very against this, by the way.
Speaker 1: At first he was like, no, that's Lane, that's Lane.
Speaker 1: We can't do that. And then but then it became
Speaker 1: such a joke we kept calling it that you couldn't
Speaker 1: think of a better name. It just became to hang,
Speaker 1: the American Hang, can't you know. But what's cool about
Speaker 1: it is thousand Horses obviously killing it. They had a
Speaker 1: number one with Smoke the Top, just wanting with drunk
Speaker 1: dout killing it. They're on the road with Audine, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like three Is had singles out
Speaker 1: there on the road with flour the Georgia line kills
Speaker 1: about to get a record deal. I'm riding and producing
Speaker 1: on your second number one hit. It's crazy and none
Speaker 1: of us had ship going on like four years ago.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that it's so cool? Doesn't feel like magic,
Speaker 1: it does it? It makes are like our times when
Speaker 1: we get together now, just like we all just kind
Speaker 1: of look at each other and we're like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's cheer. This is which. By the way, y' all
Speaker 1: just wrote an amazing song Willie whatever the horses. It's
Speaker 1: so freaking good. And I think that the American hang
Speaker 1: is awesome because, like you said, you'll can just relax,
Speaker 1: you can get crazy and get weird, and just like
Speaker 1: you don't have to be like, you know, like so
Speaker 1: worried about the national thing. Yeah, like we impressing anyone.
Speaker 1: I like riding with those guys because they we refuse
Speaker 1: to do anything normal. Let's just be weird. It's fun.
Speaker 1: It's like a soul filler day. You can push yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no boundaries. Just like, let's just get weird, write
Speaker 1: something fun. I love it. Who else do you love
Speaker 1: writing with? I am really digging writing with Randy Montana
Speaker 1: right now. He's awesome and he had his own record
Speaker 1: deal and did you have a hit song on the radio?
Speaker 1: At one point he wrote SuDS in the Bucket? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't you haven't studied his catalog, unfortunately, don't know.
Speaker 1: But all I know is that he's badass and we
Speaker 1: are writing great songs. We got We just got John
Speaker 1: Party Cut together. Um. One of my favorite songs I
Speaker 1: wrote last year he John Party Cut, which that never happens,
Speaker 1: you know. Usually you write a song with an artist
Speaker 1: or the producer or somebody associated. But it's really hard,
Speaker 1: I found to get an outside song cut. Yes, when
Speaker 1: an artist is not writing on the song. Just hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and truly. We wrote this song with Jamie Stover and
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorites. And what's it called? Um,
Speaker 1: it's called turn You Down or Can't Turn You Down.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what they ended up going with for
Speaker 1: the title, but I don't care. They could call it,
Speaker 1: but it's just a cool vibe song. Randy can sing anything,
Speaker 1: and I like it, but I like him. I'm really
Speaker 1: digging around with Matt Jenkins right now. And he wrote
Speaker 1: cop Car where It's at Oh for Dustin Lynch. He
Speaker 1: just wrote Confession the Floor George Line number one. Dang. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's badass and I love always love Carry Barlow. R
Speaker 1: Barlow's well, I mean, other than the hand guys, I
Speaker 1: mean those those guys are the days that I like,
Speaker 1: I refuse to do anything normal for those guys. You know,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. It's like today we're gonna write something great
Speaker 1: or we're not going to write at all. Like that,
Speaker 1: I refuse to let this right go to waste. How
Speaker 1: awesome is that? Here are your favorite artists work with? Um?
Speaker 1: Well right now? As far as the mean production or
Speaker 1: writing either well, obviously, Chris has been one of my
Speaker 1: favorite of all time. I mean just for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: and we're good buddies and we write good stuff. And
Speaker 1: also you produce Chris. I don't know if I said
Speaker 1: that me and him and him actually co produced his record,
Speaker 1: which is fun because I love having Chris's studio brain
Speaker 1: like associated with it too, because he's really great in
Speaker 1: the studio. As far as the tons of good ideas, um,
Speaker 1: he has a really good understanding of you know where
Speaker 1: it's gonna end up, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's hard to see that vision m But I love
Speaker 1: you know. I'm working on a new artist, seth Innish
Speaker 1: right now. That's Sony. He is awesome. He's the first
Speaker 1: one that I've been a part of from like conception
Speaker 1: of him, Like I I found him, brought him to Scott,
Speaker 1: we signed him some publishing deal, we got him a
Speaker 1: record deal, and then now I'm working on his records.
Speaker 1: It was really fun. Yeah, totally Yeah. Um, I just
Speaker 1: cut some size with Cassidy Pope. Love her. She's so
Speaker 1: good and she's just like cool. She is the coolest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the coolest. I mean, she's if if I were a girl,
Speaker 1: I would want to be like Cassie, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. She has a tattoo sleeve. She's like a
Speaker 1: beautiful girl. But she's also like a super cool hang. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know, She's just and she's an
Speaker 1: unbelievable singer. Yeah, she's just like great energy, great vibes
Speaker 1: to be around. Um, Kale Dodds. I just produced his stuff.
Speaker 1: I love working with one of the best buds. Um.
Speaker 1: I did Jamie Lynn Spears, did Brittany? Oh yeah? What
Speaker 1: was Brittany like? And I love Jamie Lynn. She was
Speaker 1: so cool, gorgeous, she is gorgeous everything. Kind of one
Speaker 1: of those people though, because you've only seen him on TV, Yes,
Speaker 1: they don't feel real. Yeah, exactly, you're talking. I'm talking
Speaker 1: to her. I know she's a real person, but for
Speaker 1: some reason, she just doesn't seem like I can't believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. There's only a few people in that category
Speaker 1: for me, and they're kind of mainly pop stars because
Speaker 1: country is so like tangible for us, you know, like
Speaker 1: we're so involved in this community, like Katie Perry and
Speaker 1: like Britney Spears and Jennifer Lopez. I was like that.
Speaker 1: When I met me and Landy were in Vegas, I
Speaker 1: was I was out riding with Rascal Flats and they
Speaker 1: got asked by Steven Tyler to come watch one of
Speaker 1: his shows. So afterwards, so we got the Sweet. Now.
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool, just like that was cool
Speaker 1: for me just to watch him play from a Sweet
Speaker 1: in Vegas, And then Jodan was like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to go down to his green room and kick it
Speaker 1: with him? And I was like, uh yeah, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1: Seeing him in person was kind of like, what the heck?
Speaker 1: What was that? Like, he's awesome and he's around Nashville
Speaker 1: now a lot. Yeah, and I know a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends have written with him and like know him,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't make it any less crazy. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: be like that around Dave Girl too. I'm a big
Speaker 1: Dave Girl fan, so I think I would geek out
Speaker 1: over day Girl. Yeah, okay, so who would you geek
Speaker 1: out of her? Dave Girl, Dave Girl for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: you're gonna laugh. But Ellie Goulding, you love her and
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with it. It looks it
Speaker 1: is strictly you know that song. Michael loves that song too.
Speaker 1: You know why I got you on my mind? So Walker,
Speaker 1: my little boy thinks that it says why I got
Speaker 1: you all my mommy. And so this is kind of kicky,
Speaker 1: but we just like let him embrace it and he
Speaker 1: sings it. Uh, and so it's really funny. Every morning,
Speaker 1: like this morning, just a minute ago, he said, can
Speaker 1: we have a dance party in my jeep? So we like,
Speaker 1: are we probably look so goofy me in this three
Speaker 1: year on the back and we're like, well, I got
Speaker 1: you all my mommy. Um. I would geek out of
Speaker 1: her though I don't know why. She just she's awesome,
Speaker 1: so good. So what you talked to Brittany about? We
Speaker 1: were filming something? Okayically is it recent? Yeah, we're filming
Speaker 1: something for Jamie Lynn and she was in it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all. I think. That's all I can probably. But
Speaker 1: we're filming something that she was there, and she was
Speaker 1: at Jamie Lynn's wedding too, so I got to meet
Speaker 1: her there, but we were actually like in close quarters
Speaker 1: like this for the she breathed on you, how Bresma.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, okay, and Jamie Lear. Jamie Lynn is amazing too.
Speaker 1: She's her own talent, like and that's a c and
Speaker 1: that's a big shadow to live under for Jamie Lynn,
Speaker 1: you know. And she's like totally emerged as her own.
Speaker 1: She does her own things. Does there's at least I
Speaker 1: don't pick up on it. I don't think there's any weirdness.
Speaker 1: I don't either she I think she just does her
Speaker 1: I feel like she does too, and she's just chill.
Speaker 1: We just cut some new stuff on her and it
Speaker 1: is bad. And her voice is great. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's developed like into this like cool thing where she
Speaker 1: has super confidence in it now and like it's just
Speaker 1: tone and it's just a very unique, its own thing.
Speaker 1: It's really cool. Her live show has gotten so good
Speaker 1: and like I mean, she just kind of like over
Speaker 1: the years grew up and created this thing and I
Speaker 1: think people are gonna dig this new stuff. We can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear it. Her and Liz and Heather Morgan
Speaker 1: and Emily Shackleton. They all went to the beach, Tina
Speaker 1: Parole and all these all these girls. I'm missing people,
Speaker 1: but they all went to the beach and they wrote you,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go. There's too many girls. You
Speaker 1: can't handle this hand female. I can't. So I got
Speaker 1: one at home. That was enough. So they wrote these
Speaker 1: awesome songs and they came back and uh, it's so
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for people to hear it. I'm just
Speaker 1: I love being a part of her stuff. That's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I'm lucky. I'm I'm getting to produce a
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff and and write on stuff. I
Speaker 1: just I'm having fun. That's my one rule in production.
Speaker 1: If I'm not having fun, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Um that's that. That's why production world's for me. If
Speaker 1: I can have fun with it and like be excited
Speaker 1: about it, then I want to do it. But if
Speaker 1: it's stressful and it's just a job, I don't that's
Speaker 1: the thing or anything. Your inspiration for producing, Like, how
Speaker 1: do you because Okay, I don't know if people regular
Speaker 1: people who aren't in the music industry know this, but
Speaker 1: like building tracks and all the behind the scenes production,
Speaker 1: like it's very complex. How do you figure out where
Speaker 1: you want to go and where you're inspired? You know,
Speaker 1: I really don't. I just like every day pray that,
Speaker 1: like I don't run out of that inspiration. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm serious. It's like you, I really have no reason
Speaker 1: why it's there, Like why I'm able to hear a
Speaker 1: song and nowhere I wanted to go and be confident
Speaker 1: in it or wake up with a new idea to write,
Speaker 1: or wake up with a new groove or melody to do.
Speaker 1: I have no idea why that's there, And I just
Speaker 1: I'm like staying thankful for it, just like please don't
Speaker 1: let it run out. And I guess if it ran out,
Speaker 1: I'd just take a trip for a little bit and
Speaker 1: just try to get But um, I think part of
Speaker 1: part of that is just surrounding myself with really talented people,
Speaker 1: uh to stay fed and inspired because I'm I think
Speaker 1: it's that's what's cool about co writing and uh, working
Speaker 1: with different people as they inspire you in different ways.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I write. When I write with Randy,
Speaker 1: I write a certain kind of song, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just like we're in a band for the day,
Speaker 1: you know, in the same wavelength. Yeah, And the same
Speaker 1: thing with Michael. It's like me and Michael right songs
Speaker 1: that we write like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they know, like we're like in a band for the day.
Speaker 1: It's like, and that's what we get. What comes out
Speaker 1: of those right sounds like me and him. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like putting it in a different way, like how
Speaker 1: you have friends, like your relationship like with your wife,
Speaker 1: or your relationship as a with a friend. It's different
Speaker 1: in each friendship, so like it right with a different person,
Speaker 1: it's different and eats right, Yeah it is. I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's some people that you know,
Speaker 1: they always write songs that sound like them, But I
Speaker 1: love I kind of like hopping on different trains, you know,
Speaker 1: every day. It just keeps me interested. So you know,
Speaker 1: one day we might write a super pop song, you know,
Speaker 1: and one day it might be super country, might super
Speaker 1: rock one day. I love that. That's fun. Yeah. Is
Speaker 1: it stressful thinking about having to get cuts or do
Speaker 1: you just let that go. Tell me, tell people what
Speaker 1: it's like being a professional songwriter, like you said, not
Speaker 1: an artist, you know, just needing other artists to cut
Speaker 1: your songs. What does that feel like? Um Man, It's
Speaker 1: hard to describe. It's it's a scary, unknown feeling. And
Speaker 1: there's like there's so many factors that play into it,
Speaker 1: like who your friends with, um and that I don't
Speaker 1: mean that is like a something shady goes on. I
Speaker 1: just mean like just by nature of business, like people
Speaker 1: like doing business with people they're friends with. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm not friends with just pick an
Speaker 1: artist Tim mcgrawl. If I'm not, if he's not a
Speaker 1: good buddy of mine, and none of his camp is
Speaker 1: good buddies of mind, harder to get a song in
Speaker 1: that camp then it would be if those were my
Speaker 1: good pals. And I'm just using as an example that
Speaker 1: that's definitely not a true statement about that, but it's
Speaker 1: like it just so that just means and so you
Speaker 1: know you kind of can you kind of have to
Speaker 1: embrace that a little bit and just be like and
Speaker 1: not your feelings hurt um and just try to write
Speaker 1: the best song you can every day. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: I will say there is another element of like being
Speaker 1: smart about it and being like, hey, look, I know
Speaker 1: Luke Bryan's making a record coming up, you know, and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't hurt for me to like get in that
Speaker 1: headspace for a few weeks and like just really like
Speaker 1: try to listen to what his records and like what
Speaker 1: he how what his language is, you know, to know
Speaker 1: like and and just shoot for it. I mean, it
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt. I mean, there's everybody has different approaches. I
Speaker 1: just I enjoy that, like trying to get my brain
Speaker 1: into his what would he want to say? And how
Speaker 1: do you want to say it? It's cool, um and
Speaker 1: all that mixed into like what you do naturally, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot. It's head games, it is, And
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I've learned is embracing that, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the best writer for every record, right,
Speaker 1: so I might not be the dude that ever gets
Speaker 1: a carry Underwood cut, And I'm I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I would love carry Ingerwood Cut, but like, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not the best writer for carry Underwood record. You know,
Speaker 1: there's probably much better writers in town that write that stuff,
Speaker 1: but maybe I am the best writer for Chris record,
Speaker 1: you know, like, and I think just kind of embracing that, like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you can't be badass at every genre and style and
Speaker 1: when there's so many different flavors. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 1: just like that's been really big for me in the
Speaker 1: last year, just kind of embracing like, Okay, I'm me
Speaker 1: and this is what I'm good at. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do me and whatever that produces the beginning and when
Speaker 1: you write it out as long as you can. I
Speaker 1: can't remember who told me this. They said, if you
Speaker 1: if you have one run in this town. I think
Speaker 1: it was Mark D. Sanders, Maybe I might be wrong
Speaker 1: with he said, if you have one run as a
Speaker 1: song in this town, you're so lucky. If you have
Speaker 1: two runs in this town, you're a legend. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh damn. And it's true because like a
Speaker 1: run meaning like you have a streak of cuts and
Speaker 1: singles and hits, and like a real run, you're on
Speaker 1: your run right now. I hope it keeps going. But
Speaker 1: like if you have if you're lucky enough to have one,
Speaker 1: that the one that lasts long time, you're like, it's
Speaker 1: super fortunate. But if you can like stick around like
Speaker 1: Liz has, like stick around for like multiple decades and
Speaker 1: like still get cuts and still have singles like all
Speaker 1: of Taylor Swiss first album, like songs about Rain. For
Speaker 1: Gary Allen, this is an unbelievable song. Crazy girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh she a girl crush. She has like a bunch
Speaker 1: of cuts coming out. I think I don't want to
Speaker 1: speak too soon on catch she has. But she's she's
Speaker 1: like she's a freak. Yeah, she's I learned. Every time
Speaker 1: I write with this, I'll learned. What do you learn?
Speaker 1: She's not afraid. She's like the most fearless writer I've
Speaker 1: ever spit out stuff. She didn't care. She's not worried
Speaker 1: about you thinking she sounds stupid. And that is so
Speaker 1: she dares to suck every day and could care Like
Speaker 1: I love it. It's the best and get such good
Speaker 1: songs that way, because then, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it will trigger something in your mind that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have thought about. Yeah, stream of consciousness. Just she spits
Speaker 1: it out. I love it. It makes rights with her
Speaker 1: so fun, And they tend to go fast because of that,
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of like silent sitting and
Speaker 1: so she has a great stream of consciousness. She does
Speaker 1: another thing like she has a good a lot of
Speaker 1: thoughts happening. Yeah, I mean her her like songwriting form
Speaker 1: like that would be what we're talking about, is really great.
Speaker 1: But also she has a lot of talent. To me,
Speaker 1: that form it doesn't it doesn't happen well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can spit out a bunch of bull crap, but
Speaker 1: she actually has great stuff stuff. Yeah, so she I've
Speaker 1: learned a lot from her. So just to be more fearless,
Speaker 1: you seem fearless. I mean I'm getting way more fearless
Speaker 1: day by day with do you think I should get older?
Speaker 1: You just kind of get more like you're saying, just
Speaker 1: like this is me, this is what I do, Like
Speaker 1: you know what you're good at now, So like you
Speaker 1: can just feel more comfortable to yourself. Maybe it is
Speaker 1: aged too, just a little bit of maturity. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a mixture of that. And you
Speaker 1: know once you once you feel what it's like to
Speaker 1: get a cut or like have a single, it's like
Speaker 1: the confidence level goes up. Yeah, Like I think before
Speaker 1: I just kind of felt like, man, I could write
Speaker 1: the best song that's ever happened, and it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1: And so like that thought keeps you from writing good
Speaker 1: stuff because we build our own like walls, ceilings. It's like,
Speaker 1: what is it called? Like it's a self fulfilling, self
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy. It's almost like you Timshaw, he's a Titans film,
Speaker 1: a platformer, and he said the same thing. We all
Speaker 1: decide where we're like the highest we can go, and
Speaker 1: you know, like we put limits on ourselves. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's like once you realize like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: I could, I can. I can write songs and they
Speaker 1: can be singles and they can be number one songs
Speaker 1: and you can be that I can produce records that
Speaker 1: are hit records, and like you start believing this about
Speaker 1: yourself and then it and then it just starts happening,
Speaker 1: you know, And so it's like it's kind of an
Speaker 1: amazing there's probably a deeper lesson to be learned than
Speaker 1: life about that. But I think manifesting vision being of it.
Speaker 1: Do you are you like do you visualize? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean how do you visualize? I mean I don't like
Speaker 1: I'm not intentional about it. I think that's just my
Speaker 1: personality in general. So what does that look like in
Speaker 1: your head? You know? Like I always tell any action
Speaker 1: is the best action, okay, and she was. She always
Speaker 1: hates when I say that because she's like a thinker
Speaker 1: and planner, and I'm like, no, just act and like,
Speaker 1: let God change your mind. If for some reason you're
Speaker 1: going on the wrong course, they'll just fix it. That's
Speaker 1: so true. Act. Don't wait, just act. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of how I do, even in this setting. It's just
Speaker 1: like just go, I'm just gonna start building. Do you
Speaker 1: get like an urge or something or how do you
Speaker 1: know what to act? I just go and gut. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never gone on gut and regretted it.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. And I think that's like God talking
Speaker 1: to us, right, Yeah, I think that's your intuition and
Speaker 1: you're you know, discernment, you know, in life. Just I
Speaker 1: think we're all probably given that to a degree and
Speaker 1: we just have to learn to trust it. Don't you
Speaker 1: think people are scared to trust it? Yes, Like you
Speaker 1: have to choose to trust your gut in your intuition.
Speaker 1: And I think at this point I've heard the word
Speaker 1: no so many times, and I'm kind of just like
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything to me, So it's like or
Speaker 1: like that sucks, you know, So it's it's just like,
Speaker 1: what's the worst that could happen? You know, it's not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. I've I've hit plenty of
Speaker 1: walls in life to now know, like it's not I
Speaker 1: that's too short, yellow man, Yellow? When did you start
Speaker 1: trusting your intuition? Though? I've kind of always been that guy?
Speaker 1: I mean, I went to I went to college. I
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I'm not college, so I just didn't
Speaker 1: go to class. I just fished and road jet skis
Speaker 1: and drink. Did you stay in college and played shows?
Speaker 1: I stayed until the free college ran up from Georgia.
Speaker 1: How do you get free college? They have hope grant um.
Speaker 1: But like I knew immediately I wanted to be a musician.
Speaker 1: So I just played shows and I stayed at home
Speaker 1: and I wrote and I played in bands. Didn't go
Speaker 1: to class. Tell my parents, no, you didn't care that
Speaker 1: you failed out of college. I didn't. But it was
Speaker 1: one of those things that like I didn't care, I knew.
Speaker 1: I just trusted this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1: That's a serious trust. And so I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I just started going on that path, like Nope, I
Speaker 1: didn't go to class. I didn't. It's funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just we just wrote around jet skis every day,
Speaker 1: and I mean I went from time to time, but
Speaker 1: it was very rare. But it worked out. Not worked out.
Speaker 1: You're just like, nope, not doing it, Michael, are going
Speaker 1: to college either. I grew up thinking you had to
Speaker 1: go to college and get a degree. But like that
Speaker 1: is true. Okay, I'm not saying some people need to
Speaker 1: go to college for their career and they feel called
Speaker 1: to be a doctor or a lawyer or a dinist
Speaker 1: or something. But other people feel called to be a
Speaker 1: musician or something that doesn't involve college. And college is
Speaker 1: not necessary for everyone. And I did not know that,
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to go to college. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I do feel bad like encouraging people not to
Speaker 1: get to college. But if you don't need it, then
Speaker 1: you shouldn't go. Yeah, I mean, I do think that
Speaker 1: sometimes college is good to help you figure out who
Speaker 1: you are and what you want to do. So sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just good to go just by default just learn
Speaker 1: you know what you want to do. But I do
Speaker 1: think the whole like go to college and just get
Speaker 1: a degree to get one, it's kind of weird. It
Speaker 1: is weird society thing we do. Yeah, because like what
Speaker 1: if you don't even like your degree? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like like my my brother was is a good example
Speaker 1: of like he went and got an agriculture degree and
Speaker 1: at the time, everybody, Mom, I remember us being like,
Speaker 1: why would you do that? But it's so awesome that
Speaker 1: he did it because he knew he wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: He's a fireman. But he now runs a freaking farm
Speaker 1: and it loves it. And now that agriculture degree couldn't
Speaker 1: be more important. But he knew he knew that that's
Speaker 1: where he really wanted to go. UM, want have to
Speaker 1: follow your love, like your love right, Yeah, Okay, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up because I know you have a
Speaker 1: lot to do because you're like almost having Well you're
Speaker 1: very interesting, Corey. I like to wrap up with leave
Speaker 1: your life. So basically leave some inspiration, something that's inspired
Speaker 1: you or that you live by, or how you want
Speaker 1: to inspire people. Um, I would say, if you can
Speaker 1: get up this is there's a Bob Dealing quote that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher, but I'm just gonna do the court
Speaker 1: crowded version. If you can get up every day and
Speaker 1: love what you do, you're a success, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's how you define success. And I think that if if,
Speaker 1: if everybody in the world would just follow their passion
Speaker 1: and love and do what they love every day, that
Speaker 1: they would feel successful regardless of money, and they'd be happier,
Speaker 1: and that probably the world be a better place. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I had this conversation with a good
Speaker 1: friend yesterday that I used to be my guitar player
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to convince them to move here, and
Speaker 1: I just told him, I was like, dude, you can't.
Speaker 1: There's no dollar sign on happiness. If God meant for
Speaker 1: you to be a guitar player or a musician, then
Speaker 1: that's what you're meant to do. And until you do it,
Speaker 1: you won't be happy. And you could probably live the
Speaker 1: rest of your life and make crazy money and be unhappy.
Speaker 1: And so I just I always it's just like a
Speaker 1: big believer and like, do you and do what you
Speaker 1: meant for at all costs, And totally, I know that's
Speaker 1: cheesy and cliche. I just think it's it's so important.
Speaker 1: You only one life. And like my grandma used to
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, she always used to push this
Speaker 1: stuff too, and it's like she did. She ran a
Speaker 1: jewelry business. She loved jewelry. She ran her whole life
Speaker 1: and they never made much money. They were broke her
Speaker 1: whole life, Like I think she like when she died,
Speaker 1: they were just in massive debt. But it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: She was happy. She was like super pumped about life
Speaker 1: because she did but she loved she loved talking to
Speaker 1: people and bullshitting with people every day and buying jewelry
Speaker 1: and making jewelry. And I just you know, so I've
Speaker 1: always just kind of lived by those rules that the
Speaker 1: way to go. Well, thank you, cord Her, and I
Speaker 1: guess what's going to come on? Caralve Caral love. She's
Speaker 1: a queen of talking, he Caral. I hope you guys
Speaker 1: loved hearing from Korey crowd. He is so awesome. Next
Speaker 1: week is really cool because I'm having an industry executive,
Speaker 1: White the big wig, come in and tell us all
Speaker 1: the secrets and all the dirt that goes on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. Rod Es he runs CIA, which is Creative
Speaker 1: Artists Agency. It's one of the biggest talent agencies in
Speaker 1: the world, and he's one of the biggest big wigs
Speaker 1: at that company. And he's going to tell us all
Speaker 1: about Share Sonny, and share all of the acts that
Speaker 1: he works with, from Tim McCraw to Lady Antebellum to
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift to Julian Huff. He has worked with everyone,
Speaker 1: done everything, He knows everything, and he's so hilarious and
Speaker 1: so charismatic. So y'all get excited to hear from Rod
Speaker 1: Essex next week. Don't forget to subscribe on iTunes and
Speaker 1: under hyper Caroline Hobby and leave some awesome comments because
Speaker 1: that helps us grow this thing. Okay, see'all next week. Bye.
Speaker 1: M