1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: This is the Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly. Hello Mike Lynch, and I'm Michael Barr. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Over the next hour, we will explore the big money 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: issues in the world of sports and talk to some 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: of the biggest players in the industry. Really excited to 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: catch up with Doug Whaley. He is the former senior 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: vice president XFL, former general manager of the Buffalo Bills. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: He's now got a new firm and investment firm buying 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: teams in growth sports. It's called the Beautiful Game Group. 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: And talk a little bit about that, and also go 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: deep on the NFL, because I would say the NFL 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: maybe on the edge of and by the time you 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: listen to this this weekend, maybe in the throes of 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: a full blown crisis when it comes to COVID Lynch, 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I want to start with you, how big a problem 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: is this for the NFL. Well, it's a it's a 17 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: serious problem because we've already had to postpone a game 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: between Tennessee and Pittsburgh, and now Tennessee is allegedly holding 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: practice is outside of their facility, and that's going to 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: just raise the wrath of Roger Goodell he made discipline 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: them more and it also opens up the possibility for 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: this thing to be spread. New England Patriots I live 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: up here in Boston, lost Cam Newton for the game 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: against Kansas City. Stefan Gilmour, the rainy NFL defensive Player 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: of the Year, was tested positive on Monday or Tuesday 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: of this week. And I'm told that the National Football 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: League looked at the security video inside the Patriots facility. 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: They looked at their cafeteria, they looked at their meeting rooms, 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: they looked at every single aspect to try to find 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: if they violated the NFL strict protocols, and it was 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: determined that the Patriots were compliant and there was social 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: distancing and nobody violated anything. Stefan Gilmour still came down 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen. So Bar, I mean, how much do 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: you worry about? I mean, I feel like we're in 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: a time machine back to the Miami Marlins and the 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: beginning of the Major League Baseball season when you had 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: one team. In that case, it's spread to a few 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: more teams now in the NFL, kind of jeopardizing the 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: whole thing for everyone potentially if they don't manage to 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: get it under control, because this is an interconnected ecosystem. 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's. In fact, I thought when the Miami 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: Marlins had that moment, I say, well, that's it for baseball. 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: We tried see you later, goodbye. But they kept going. 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: And now you're talking about the king of the four 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: major food groups in sports in the NFL, and with 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmore and Cam Newton players on the Titans, and 47 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: then they're all going through this with with COVID. I 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: don't think the NFL is just going to stop. It's 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: too powerful. In fact, got word the Miami Dolphins. They're 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: now going to have the capability and be allowed to 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: try to see the entire sixty thousand seat stadium and 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: in right now, I don't understand that, but okay, well 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there. So I don't know what's 54 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: going on with it. If I could quote the uh, 55 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: former Vice President of the United States and current Democratic 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: nominee and just say, come on, man, I mean seriously, like, 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: is that is that something that right now in October 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: we're really thinking about? Like I have to question uh, 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Stephen Ross and the Dolphins for even entertaining that when 60 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: you've got super spreader events happening all over the country 61 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: and rising cases like that seems bananas to me. So 62 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: I guess the other thing that I would bring up 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: is the only real solution to this, if you ask 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: Gary Bettman or Adam Silver is you've got to create 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: a bubble. It was very successful. Uh. We could actually 66 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: by the time you're hearing this, if you're listening on 67 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday, we could have an NBA champion, um 68 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: and it would likely be if if you're listening and 69 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: there is a champion, it's the Lakers statistically because they 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: are up there one game away from winning as we're 71 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: taking this on Thursday morning. And yet I have to say, 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: from a business perspective, guys, and this surprised me a 73 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: little bit, people aren't really watching Lynch. Well, it comes 74 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: at an odd time of the year. Usually it's in June. 75 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: They're playing, they're competing against regular season baseball games which 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people tune out, and maybe the Stanley 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Cup finals, but they sort of dovetailed. They never went 78 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: head to head. Now you've gotta think what's happening. On 79 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: Friday night, they had the lowest all time low for 80 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: an NBA Finals since they begin measuring six point one 81 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: million fans. But that was the night. Remember the President 82 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: Trump was transported from the White House to Walter Reed 83 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: Army Hospital, and it was kind of like on cable news. 84 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: You would kind of glued to that all night long. 85 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Sunday night, they had to go against Sunday night football, 86 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: which is tough, and then the President with COVID earlier 87 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: in the week. So there's been a lot of other 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: distractions and reasons not to watch the NBA Finals. I mean, 89 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: as a basketball fan, I love Lebron James, Anthony Davis 90 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: and his first NBA Finals, and I think the Miami 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: Heat is a compelling story. If this was in June, 92 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: I think the numbers would be far different than they 93 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: are right now. Well, I will say, and I'm not 94 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 1: just saying this because you are a host of this show, Lynchy, 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: but I have to think maybe if it was Lakers Celtics, 96 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: the ratings might be a little bit better. I mean 97 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: just for the history, because Boston you know Hits and 98 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: you know this better than anyone from a population perspective, 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: like Hits well above its weight as a media market, 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: and in terms of I mean It's truly one of 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: the most compelling franchises in the history of the NBA. 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: And again, I'm not just saying that because I'm talking 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: to you, UM, but I do think that that would 104 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: there would have been a lot it would have felt weightier, 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: don't you think, Yeah, well, of course you'd have been 106 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, you'd have Ry Burden had comparisons to Wilt 107 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Chamberlain and Bill Russell, and you go all the way 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: back to the nineteen sixty I mean, you know, both 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: these two teams have it's almost an annual right of spring, 110 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: the Celtics Lakers and Uh. In this very strange year, 111 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: I think that one you could fill a lot of 112 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: the dead time with, you know, the way we were basically, yes, 113 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: exactly exactly far have you watched? I have to be honest, No, 114 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: because of what you said right at the beginning when 115 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: it was Lakers and Heat, is like, oh, the Lakers 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: are gonna win so and and and you know, okay, 117 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: there the Heat will get one game and this and 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: that whatever, but the Lakers are going to get it. 119 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: But it I agree with what Lynchi also said. One 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: of the games went up against the night that the 121 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: President UH we learned and had COVID so and everybody 122 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh my goodness. Uh. But I remember back 123 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: in seventies seventy one when the NBA Game of the 124 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: week was on ABC, it was always Los Angeles Lakers 125 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: against the Boston Celtics. And that's a reason why, because 126 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: it's a great ratings grammar. Yep, yep. So, I mean, 127 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see where it all nets out. 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean. And then, of course, from a business perspective, 129 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: the next thing the NBA has to worry about is 130 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: doing a draft and getting a plan for the next season. 131 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: And the Miami Dolphins notwithstanding, there are some big questions 132 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: about fans in the seats, and there is a difference 133 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: between an open air stadium and packing people in to 134 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: the garden or the Staples Center or wherever we're talking about. 135 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: So we'll see where the NBA ends up. But it 136 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: is weird to your point, Linch, to be talking about 137 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: to even discuss in facts of like, hey, we're going 138 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 1: to crown an NBA champion in mid October. But listen, 139 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: nothing is uh what it seems to be in this world. 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to this week's interview. It's with 141 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: Doug Walley, chief operating officer and menach partner of the 142 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: Beautiful Game Group. We find him in his hometown of Pittsburgh. 143 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: First of all, Doug, how are you? What's life like 144 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: there for you? It's an exciting but certainly uncertain time 145 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: in the world of sports. Life is uh, as they say, 146 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: everybody's adjusting to a new normal. But my family and 147 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: everyone I know is is healthy and safe. The thing 148 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: that we are adjusting to, like is the new normal 149 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: of of not really being around a lot of people 150 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: and making sure you're diligent and being as safe as 151 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: possible to help us stamp down this the spread of 152 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: this virus. But we're taking a day by day old 153 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: man bar here and I before I get into all 154 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: the football questions, I have to ask Beautiful Game Group, 155 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: what is that? Well? Right now, we are working on 156 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: the foundation, building a foundation for an investment vehicle to 157 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: acquire franchises in growth sports and the focus will be 158 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: in in soccer, basketball, rugby, e sports and then also 159 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: the lifestyle brand of cycling. So we are in the 160 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: beginning stages of that and UH, hopefully if I get 161 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: back on the program, we can justin well, we'll have 162 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: a lot more information on you for you guys about that. 163 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna follow up on that question. What is 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: the genesis of the name Beautiful Game Group? Well, and 165 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: if you know anything about the real football, not American football, 166 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: the soccer or whether Americans call soccer over in Europe, 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: they call it the Beautiful Game. So our founder and CEO, 168 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: Oliver Finley, he's a guy from the UK and he 169 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: wanted to play make a play on that so everybody 170 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: could understand what our our focuses and that's gonna be 171 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: on on football. But it's the Beautiful Game Group and 172 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: it triggers a lot of the world to under stand 173 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: that we're talking about soccer. And it's interesting, Doug too, 174 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: to think about sort of the global ambition of sport 175 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: at this point, especially as our lives are increasingly small, 176 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,359 Speaker 1: as you alluded to, and yet we also know, almost counterintuitively, 177 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: we've discovered what a small place the world is and 178 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: how interconnected we all are through this, through this global pandemic. 179 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: I do wonder, even in the abstract, how sports sort 180 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: of fits into that and what you've learned about sport 181 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: in general and sports as you've thought about this, but 182 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: also as you've gone through, you know, the last six 183 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: seven months of this pandemic, I think if you, if 184 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: you really look at it and break it down, when 185 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: sports teams were first created, UH, they used to be 186 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: a distraction from everyday life that used to unite communities. 187 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: It was the focal point where everybody would come and 188 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: and sit down or go to a game and just 189 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: be able to forget about the week's war and root 190 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: for their team. But I think what has switched now? 191 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: I think with everything with the pandemic, the social unrest, 192 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: I think people and teams now have to take the 193 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: responsibility of being the galvanizing force that unites the communities 194 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: and to help them make everyday life better for all. 195 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: So I do really think that that focus has shifted 196 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: from away from the fans supporting the team to the 197 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: team supporting the community. I'm wondering if the NFL, how 198 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: severe is this COVID problem? And now we have the 199 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: Patriots Stephen Gilmore tested positive for COVID. Of course Cam 200 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: Newton tested positive for COVID. More Titans players have tested 201 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: positive for COVID. Where does the league go from here? 202 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: I think when when you look at sports in general, 203 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: they're not they're microcosm of society. So you're going to 204 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: have some positive tests. Where they go from here is 205 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: is you have to go back to what a lot 206 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: they say a lot in football, and it's being diligent, 207 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: being prepared, being responsible, being accountable, and that they are 208 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: going to have to stress to those their players and 209 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: each and every city that this is a commitment that 210 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: you've made to the NFL. It's not a right to 211 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: play in it. It's a privilege and it to be 212 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: a privilege for all. You have to be diligent in 213 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: what you do, not only in the building, but outside 214 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: of the building for the greater good of all. It's 215 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: a sacrifice. You have to sacrifice when you're training, and 216 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: there's that saying sacrifice not only in training, but sacrifice 217 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: and all parts of your life so you can be 218 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: the best player you can be. But this is gonna 219 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: take This pandemic has taken that up a notch where 220 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: you have to sacrifice for the greater good of the 221 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: sport in general. So I think that those are those 222 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: messages that you have the teams in the NFL have 223 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: to depart to their players because when it looks when 224 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: you get down to it, if one person does not 225 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,359 Speaker 1: make that sacrifice, it could bring down not only a team, 226 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: but a whole league. I want to follow up on that, Doug, 227 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: you spent many many years as a pro scouting director 228 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh general manager of the Buffalo Bills. Are we 229 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: asking the impossible for more than fifty NFL players to 230 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: go directly from practice home and just shut the door 231 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: and don't leave and just have a direct line between 232 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the locker room, the stadium and their home. It's a 233 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: it's a tall ask. Absolutely, Is it impossible? No? Do 234 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be able to be enacted 235 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: in a hundred percent failed proof for the rest of 236 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the year. I would if I was a betting man, 237 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: I would say no, that's difficult because look at society 238 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: of a whole. I mean, you get fatigue, you get 239 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: COVID burnout, and then you add to the fact that 240 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: these guys are under a lot of stress and a 241 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: lot of pressure to be able to perform every single day. 242 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna need a release. And in the normal world, 243 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: they could have a release of getting together with friends, family, 244 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: going out, having a meal, uh and and enjoying entertainment. 245 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: Now you reduce those abilities to uh get away from 246 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: the daily grind of the NFL and and trust me, 247 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: that is a daily grind, and to be able because 248 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: every day they could lose their jobs because they have 249 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: to perform at their highest level every day they walk 250 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: into that their facility. So that is a stress. And 251 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people think about the physical stress of 252 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the game because it's it's a it's a it's a 253 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: it's a physical game. And to have that physical stress 254 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: for those many weeks you're talking about twenty plus weeks, 255 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't realize it's that mental grind. 256 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: Not knowing every day if you're going to have a 257 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: job and knowing every day you have to do. You 258 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: can't come in there and saying, well, you know, and 259 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't feel too well and I can't perform, because 260 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: guess what, there's somebody behind you hungry to take your 261 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: job and perform and hopefully get to the point where 262 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: they're financially stable to set up not only their this generation, 263 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: but multiple generations and their families. So that's one of 264 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the things that I don't think a lot of people 265 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: really put a lot of thought or credence to it. 266 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: But the mental stress is just as good, are sometimes 267 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: greater than the physical stress when these players and then 268 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: when you add to the fact that you're you're talking 269 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: about young adults that haven't been able to find coping mechanisms, 270 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of those coping mechanisms were coming from 271 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: college where it was let's go out and and be social. 272 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: So it's it's going to be very tough. And and 273 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: it's a long winded way to say, uh, they got 274 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: to uphill battle the fight. I gotta ask you, you've 275 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: been in these locker rooms, you've been in the offices, 276 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: you've been in the league. What's the decision tree here 277 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: in this unprecedented time. Well, the sasion tree. It starts 278 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: with the leadership from the NFL office. They have to 279 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: make sure and you I've seen reports where they get 280 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: together and stress to every single team the diligence that's 281 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: needed not only from the coaching staff, front office staff, 282 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: and executives, but to the players. So that has to 283 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: trickle down. But the other thing that I think is 284 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: going to be very important. His guys in the locker room. 285 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: They have to look at each other and say, hey, listen, 286 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: just like when it's fourth and goal and we need 287 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: one yard to get a touchdown or stop them from 288 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: a touchdown, I'm depending on you to do your responsibility. 289 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: This is taking that thought process up another notch because 290 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: it's all about teamwork and responsibility and being accountable to 291 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: your teammates. This is at a major level above that 292 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: on the field because it's not only our livelihoods at 293 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: our stake, because if you start missing games and canceling games, 294 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: that has that tumbling effect of all right, now the 295 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: broadcasters don't have anything to broadcast, then the TV revenue 296 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: starts to decrease. So it's it's a wide ranging issue 297 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: that could be stopped or halted if everybody is accountable. 298 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: Just like you need to be accountable to your teammate 299 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: on the field, now you have to be just as 300 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: accountable to your teammates off the field. Roger Goodell has 301 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: already find a number of coaches for not wearing their masks. 302 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: He is threatened to suspend people, he has threatened to 303 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: take away draft picks, and he has threatened to even 304 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: have teams forfeit games if they don't comply, putting a 305 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: general manager's hat back on. Do you look at that 306 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: and say he'd never take away a draft pick. He 307 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: could never make us forfeit a game. So the only 308 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: thing we have to worry about is a finder, maybe 309 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: a suspension, or would you actually be fearful that he 310 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: might go to all that the greatest length of forfeiting 311 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: a game when you when I would I if it 312 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: was if I was in that position, I would remove 313 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: all doubt and stress that I wouldn't want to test him. 314 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't want what we don't want to say he 315 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: won't do this or won't do that to make sure 316 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't make us forfeit a game. Let's put our 317 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: mask on because we don't want to test that boundary. 318 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, we're we're ten and six, 319 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: we end the season, but guess what he says, you're 320 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: going to forfeit one of those games. Now we're nine 321 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and seven and we missed the playoffs. The ramifications are 322 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: too great for you to put it in the hands 323 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: of someone else. And as I and as I said before, 324 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: I would stress, let's remove all doubt. You know, never 325 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: mind about COVID nineteen. I want to talk about the 326 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: game itself. And you touched off in it before we 327 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: went into the break, And I want to go to 328 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: a quote you said on a radio interview. You said 329 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: that it's a violent game that I personally don't think 330 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: humans are supposed to play. And I get on myself 331 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: as a fan way back in the day because I 332 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: was rooting for the Oh we got hit. You know, 333 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: you see someone go up the middle, and I mean 334 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: and they get creamed. And I did not think at 335 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: the time, and we didn't learn about concussions and the 336 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: physical toll that it takes on the body of the player. 337 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Can you comment more on that, Yeah, I'll comment. First 338 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: of all, the quote was it's a violent game and 339 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: human beings weren't built to play the game. I never 340 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: said supposed to so, and it was in reference to injuries. 341 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: Injuries will always be part of the game, and because 342 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: it's such a violent game, there is no way to 343 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: be able to take those out of the game. So 344 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: and I know, I got it. Was obviously that's what 345 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: the quote that everybody hangs their hat on, and I 346 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: was obviously on the national media spotlight for a while. 347 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: But if you if you take the whole context of 348 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: the conversation, it was about Sammy Watkins, and he's a 349 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: talented receiver but has had injuries throughout his career. And 350 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: my point was, and they were saying, is the injury prone? 351 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: And I've prefaced it by saying, with this game being 352 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: so violent and the human body, it's not it can't 353 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: stand up for to the that amount of collisions and 354 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: not be susceptible to injuries. Now, the NFL has done 355 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: a lot of improvements for the safety of the game. 356 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: Equipment has improved, and I think we are going into 357 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: that direction, and I like the way the direction, and 358 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: believe you me, football is my true love and past. 359 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I am till day in this 360 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: world without football and what has provided me not only educationally, 361 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: uh memory wise and professionally. So no way, in certain, 362 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: no way was I ever saying football shouldn't be played. 363 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: I'm saying that we have to recognize it's a violent game. 364 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: The NFL has recognized it because of the safety measures 365 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: they put in place, But you will never be able 366 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: to take injuries out of the game. Where it goes 367 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: from here, I think, just like everything in this world, 368 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: there's going to be advancement, especially in the technology of 369 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: all the equipment when you look at the helmets, and 370 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: then in the acknowledgement of safer play tackling taking targeting 371 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: out of it. So I think we're going in a 372 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: very positive direction to limit and injuries, but you will 373 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: never be able to eliminate them. Take me through, Take 374 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: us through. This summer. We were in the midst of 375 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: a global pandemic, and then we enter into what I 376 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: think we would all agree is a long, long overdue 377 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: reckoning on racial inequality and social injustice. Sports, in many 378 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: way came to the fore the professional The National Football 379 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: League obviously was not playing at that moment, but the 380 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: NBA was getting ready to play, and we've seen a 381 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: lot of manifestations of player empowerment. I think during this era, 382 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? From where you sit 383 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: and knowing the world of sports as much as you do, 384 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: I think, first of all, the fact that this is 385 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: a topic of conversation globally, not just in America, means 386 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: that the needle has moved to awareness. I mean being 387 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: able to make the general public, that especially the general 388 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: public that's never been affected by something like racial injustice, 389 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: realized that they're non action as part of the problem. 390 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: I think is a great step forward. The next step 391 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: will be implementing actions, and that's where I think players 392 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: has really have realized that they have a powerful voice, 393 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: and at some times and many times, and I think 394 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: now a more powerful voice than they've ever had in 395 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: years past because of the advent of social media and 396 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: the advent of knowing that they can create their brand. 397 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: Back in the day, it was always the brand of 398 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: the team, and let's be about the team, the Steelers, 399 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, New England, let me promote that brand. Now 400 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: it has shifted to say the brand is the player 401 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: and they can promote their brand. And you know, back 402 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 1: in the day when I was growing up, growing up 403 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: that sagan that excuse me that players should be role models. 404 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see that players did day are 405 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: realizing that they can be real models and they're accepting 406 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: that challenge. They're accepting that they are in a position 407 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: to influence this world and future generations to strive to 408 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: do better. So I think there's nothing but positive for 409 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: them being able to realize that they can not only 410 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: swing the needle, but move people in directions that make 411 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: this world a better place. So when it comes to personnel, Uh. 412 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that we will look 413 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: back on this era about inevitably, UH is the saga 414 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: of Colin Kaepernick and what that meant to the league 415 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: in what it means in and how it has changed 416 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: football from the way that ProTeams are managed, what the 417 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: players consider their own roles. Uh. Having been in it 418 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: during that time, I do wonder what you make of 419 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: that and what the legacy of Colin Kaepernick is going 420 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: to be. Well. I mean, I think when it's all 421 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: Sadden none um, it may get to the level of 422 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: not surpassed, but in the same conversation as Mohammed Ali 423 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: because when this when when you think about it, and 424 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: I'll ask everybody that hears this to to think and 425 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: ask this question to yourself, what is it in your 426 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: life beside your family that you would stand for that 427 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: would cost you your career? Think about that, ask yourself that. 428 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: So for for the way I look at it, for 429 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: a person to be that selfless, to give up what 430 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: he loved the most besides his family, his ability to 431 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: do what he's done for so much of his life 432 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: for a cause that doesn't benefit him, I think that's 433 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: where the focus should be because that is something that's 434 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: bigger than football, and it's what life it's all about. 435 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's it's a something that shows the 436 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: younger generations that to be selfless is better to be 437 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: than be selfish. To be selfless is better than to 438 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: be an entertainer. The selfless is better than to be 439 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: a sports star. It's about and that to me, is 440 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: about true leadership and true ability to see pass just 441 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: self gratification. So those are the things I think are 442 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: going to come out of this on the societal side, 443 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: on the football side, hopefully it shows to the NFL 444 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: and all major sports at what someone does to help 445 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: the society and community should not play into how if 446 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: they should be employed, they should be only judged on 447 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: their ability as a player instead of their social stances. 448 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: That's a brilliant statement. And and when you went there, 449 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Olympics, and I was thinking 450 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: of Tommy Smith and John Carlos. They held the Black 451 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: Power salute and then they had their metal stripped. H 452 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: And I thought at that time it was let me 453 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: put it this way, I thought we passed that time. 454 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not so sure now I have to agree 455 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: with you, and I don't know if you guys are 456 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: are music fans, but if you think about it, the 457 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: song What's going On? Yes, I mean yeah, Marvin gay 458 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: What's going on? Ninety three? Sam Cook? A change is 459 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: going to come? Marvin Gaye's What's going On with seventy one? 460 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Those songs are still relevant today in as they were 461 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: in sixty three and seventy one. Why is that we 462 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: need as a society, as a human race, to look 463 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: within each other, within ourselves and look at each other 464 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: and say why is that? And then the second step 465 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: is saying that's awareness of why it is. Now, let's 466 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: take the second step and saying what can I do 467 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: to make this better? What can I do to help 468 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: educate the younger generations to say this has to change? 469 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: And I feel that listening to the younger generations and 470 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: the people that are are are frontline of these protests, 471 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I I feel strongly 472 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: that it's moving in that direction because these young people 473 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: are noticing, like the young athletes, they have a voice 474 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: and they can help institute change. So hopefully ten to 475 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: fifteen years from now, we can just be recognized in 476 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: those songs as good songs and not understanding that message 477 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: still needs to be purveyed today. Doug, following up on that, 478 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: are you encouraged with the voices that are now being 479 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: heard from the professional athletes? Are you hopeful? Absolutely no 480 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: doubt about it. I mean, when you take Lebron James, 481 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: one of the most recognizable athletes in the world, standing 482 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: up for equality and social injustice, you talk about Megan 483 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: Rapino standing up for equal rights for women athletes, I 484 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: am encouraged, and I think that's going to matriculate to 485 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: the younger generations and say, I love sports because of sports, 486 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: but I also love what sports can bring for the 487 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: betterment of this society in the world. And I think 488 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: they're setting the standard and maybe even say a goal 489 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: standard of what it means to be an athlete, not 490 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: only today but for future athletes. I want to talk 491 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: about what I think is one of the most pressure 492 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: packed moments, especially for you. And you've been there for 493 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: draft night and you're on the clock and all of 494 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, Okay, do we take this guy? 495 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: Do we take that guy? So and so team and said, Okay, 496 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: if you don't take this guy, we'll give you these 497 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: draft picks. Whatever. I can't imagine the pressure going through that. 498 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: And when you were with the Bills and you were 499 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: in the front office there, can you take us through 500 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: that what that experience was like. I hate to disappoint you, 501 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: but draft day, if you do it the way we 502 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: set it up, is rather methodical and uh, not as 503 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: stressful as people would think. The stress is the preparation 504 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: up to draft day. There's the same chance favors the 505 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: prepared man. So what we would do we would go 506 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: through all we would have all the information on possible trades, 507 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: especially the for first round one, two, and three. Who's 508 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: interested in moving up, who's interested in coming moving down? 509 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: We would have talked to all thirty one other teams 510 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: had the designated person to call about trade, knowing that, uh, 511 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: what scenarios where they would be interested, where they would 512 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: be calling us or we should reach out to them. 513 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: We would set our board so we would have our 514 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: board ranked from especially that when they moved at the 515 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: three days. The first day was the first down, first round. 516 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: We would have our board set ups are top thirty 517 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: two players and the order we would pick them. So 518 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: all we would say there and do is watch the board, 519 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: watch the picks and the words came off, you'd be 520 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: about two to three picks before yourself. You listen, you'd 521 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: call reach out to those teams that express interests and 522 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe moving. If they were interested, you'd you'd already have 523 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: some parameters set. Then you deal with that and say, okay, 524 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: let's make this trade. If not, you'd already had, you'd 525 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: already talked through with your coaches and your scouting staff 526 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,239 Speaker 1: and your ownership. This is how these guys followed. This 527 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: is the where the positions we'd take them. So when 528 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: you're on the clock, the highest guy rated on your board, 529 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: you take them. You've already done the work. So draft 530 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: day for us, and the way I was taught in 531 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and and what we I implemented in Buffalo was 532 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: that draft day shouldn't be a panic, shouldn't be stressful, 533 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't be because the work's done. And it's just like 534 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: the week of practice. The week of practice is the 535 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: hardest part of the week. Game day is fun because 536 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: you you prepare so you're ready in any situation has come. 537 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: You know, let's do this, let's do this, let's check 538 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: out of this play, let's check out of that play. Okay, 539 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: well that guy's gone. The next best guy that we've 540 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: talked about as an organization and said on our draft 541 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: board is that back. So you take that guy. And 542 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: then also then you can add into another layer of 543 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: you could put a line where, hey, these are the 544 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: guys we wouldn't trade away from. So you know, okay, 545 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: if we're draft in ten, we were not going to 546 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: go lower than twenty seven because we think the disparity 547 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: in ability is not worth what you've gained draft pickwise, 548 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Or there's a line that you could Hey, if it 549 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: gets close and we think we have the ammunition, there's 550 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: the line of guys where we would trade up to get. 551 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: So all of that goes into the preparation and if 552 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: you do it right, draft day is actually fun and 553 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: there's no stress. So you explain why I screwed up 554 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: my fantasy football draft. Plus I had a couple of beers. 555 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: I said the quiet part out. I'm sorry. You know, 556 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: there's always an ulterior motive whenever bar jumps in with 557 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: a question like that. So on draft day, I'm sure 558 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: that when it comes to some pics, there's a little 559 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: discord in the room. I mean, as the general manager, 560 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: do you have the finals say, or is sometimes the 561 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: owner over in the corner saying I really think we 562 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: should take so and so. Who is the finals say 563 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: the final voice? And how is that settled? Well, first 564 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: of all, the general manager. When I was with Buffalo, 565 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: I had the say on draft day. But again, what 566 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: you we would do is we would sit with the 567 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: head coach, myself, the ownership Terry and Kim Pagola and 568 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: Jim monas are our director of player personnel, and we'd 569 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: hash out everything. Everybody would have a chance to say, 570 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: well this guy, this is what I like, don't like, 571 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then as a collective group, that's 572 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: how we would stack that board. And if there was 573 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: any disagree meants, my philosophy was always say would be like, okay, 574 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: if we're not unanimously agreed that this person should be 575 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: slotted at this draft position, let's some find someone that is. 576 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: Because what you want to do is to make sure 577 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: when you're in drafting that when you walk out of 578 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: that draft room, you have internal debate but external unity. 579 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: And then also you want to know when you pick 580 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: a person, and draft capital is so precious that everybody, 581 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: not only in the decision making hierarchy, but in the 582 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: whole facility understands this is our guy, and this is 583 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: a guy that everybody feels comfortable with. So we always 584 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: try to set it up that there isn't any disagreement 585 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: and if there is, let's find someone that there's total 586 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: agreement on. Doug Wiley. We really enjoyed spending time with 587 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: you today. Thank you so much for your insights, for 588 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: your candor, and really help against think about so many 589 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: things going on in the world right now. That is 590 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: Doug Wailey. He is the CEO, managing partner of Beautiful 591 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: Game Group, former general manager of the Buffalo Bills, longtime 592 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guy. Here's hoping that we're talking later on in 593 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: the season about a successful football season and looking forward 594 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: to learning more about what you're up to with this 595 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: new gig. Fellas it was, it was a pleasure. I 596 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: really truly appreciated. The conversation was great, The questions were 597 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: I think right on point of what's going on with 598 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: the world today. Thank you for offering a chance for 599 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: me to give my opinion and my view on these subjects. 600 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: I think is very important and UH do look forward 601 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: to the next time we talk so we can get 602 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: into the beautiful game group. All right, Thank you, Doug 603 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: be Well, Thanks Doug. So, guys, really interesting conversation, wide ranging, 604 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: to say the least, eager to see what he does next. 605 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: His experience, I think is incredibly relevant when you're thinking 606 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: about building a sports empire to some extent here in 607 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: it's a different world. Without question, Um, where do I 608 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: start with a takeaway? This is one of the most 609 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: fascinating conversations we've had on this show. One little, a 610 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: little phrase, the use which I think is applies not 611 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: only to speaking about the draft. He said, let's have 612 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: internal debate, but external unity. I think that applies not 613 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: only to the NFL draft. I think it applies to 614 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: any team, any company, any business, or any family. It's 615 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: a great saying, a great phrase, and that's gonna stick 616 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: with me. What do you think I had too? When 617 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: he asked that question, what would I do that would 618 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: cost me my career but it would be selfless? And 619 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: I stopped. I had I was thinking, and and I 620 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: had to snap myself back into the interview because it's like, Wow, 621 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: that's a powerful question. And I between that and what 622 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: he said, which was brilliant he said about the violence 623 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: of the game. We have to educate ourselves as fans 624 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: and and relearn what the game is all about, and 625 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: remember that there are men out there playing the human 626 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: beings and all this is like go out there and 627 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: and crack some skulls. I mean, we we can't think 628 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: like that anymore. It's a different world. I mean, you 629 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: do you think about someone like him, you know, growing 630 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: up in Pittsburgh going to school, they're going to college, 631 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: They're making his way, working for his hometown team, and 632 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: then building on that, you know, becoming you know, one 633 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: of only a handful of top black executives in the NFL. 634 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: You know, he has seen some things and seen some 635 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: things from different perspectives. I also really took something away 636 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: from what he talked about about this moment in terms 637 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: of fighting COVID too, and the conversations that need to 638 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: be had in locker rooms, not just by the gm 639 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: is like he was, but also the players. Basically like, hey, guys, 640 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: snap in, this is our livelihood on the line. Don't 641 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: be an idiot, And sometimes you just have to say 642 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 1: to each other, to your peers, don't be an idiot. Yeah, 643 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: it comes to some veteran leadership. He was basically alluding 644 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: to that that you have to make a sacrifice for 645 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: the greater good of the team and the greater good 646 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: of the National Football League. And nobody wants to be 647 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: the guy that you know, kicked over the lantern that 648 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: started the fire, you know, and the Mrs O'Leary's barn. 649 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: And that's basically what could be happening here in the 650 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: National Football League. Feels better to be a number one 651 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: than number five. I'll wear a number because of Mike. 652 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: We have a chance to go for three in a row, 653 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: good numbers in a good time. And I first started 654 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: wearing the number, I would just happy and Floomberg Business 655 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: of Sports, the number of the week. Here's the question. 656 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: Volts Hi Rice there, the maker of a performance recovery product. Now, 657 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you for the valuation of the company. Now, 658 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a hint. This is after they 659 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: raised forty eight million dollars from the NBA, the NFL's 660 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: investment Arm, thirty two Equity, and a group of pro 661 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: athletes as including Naomi Osaka and Russell Westbrook. I am 662 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: looking for the valuation of the company now, and this time, 663 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna reverse it. I want to start with Lynchy first. 664 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: All right, So they raised how much? Uh? They raised 665 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: forty eight million dollars. What I want is the valuation 666 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: of hyper Rice. Uh. It can't be, oh, half a billion. 667 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go seven hundred fifty million. Jason. Um, I 668 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: know a little bit about this company only because I 669 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: know some of the folks who helped put it together. 670 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact valuation. I think it's slightly less. Um, 671 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: it's in that ballpark, but I feel like it's it's 672 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: it's sub seven. So I'm gonna go I'm gonna go lower, 673 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: but only slightly lower. Well, you just come on up 674 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,919 Speaker 1: on stage, Jason. My goodness, it's about time you got here. 675 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: It's seven hundred million dollars. And I heard Lynch and 676 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna go seven. And I'm like, if 677 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: he had hit it, if honestly, if he had hit 678 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: it on the net, I just would have like thrown 679 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: my headset down to watch out. Guy's gonna finished up 680 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: without me. Uh No, that's so interesting. It's such an 681 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: interesting company. They've got an incredible roster of athletes. In fact, 682 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get them on the show, so well, 683 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, Stay tuned, because I think it's a fascinating, 684 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:46,439 Speaker 1: fascinating thing. This one's gonna stick in Lynch's cross. He's 685 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: gonna be like making the turn this afternoon and be like, 686 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: why didn't I say seven hundred? Why didn't I just 687 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: say seven hundred? All right, you've been listening to Bloomberg 688 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: Business of Sports. We're here each and every week at 689 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: the same time, plus online wherever you get your podcast. 690 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: That's those Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm Jason Kelly. Find 691 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jason Kelly, and I'm Mike Lynch. 692 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: Jason and Bar just ruined my weekend. You can find 693 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: me at Lynch e w cbb MA. I'm Michael Bar 694 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Big Bar supports you listen Bloomberg Business 695 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: and Sports Boomberg Radio around the world