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Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rasha Paccerreiro.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Evett Genteely and this week we're talking about

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Speaker 3: the murder of Larry King, or sometimes known as Letitia

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Speaker 3: King as well. This is a murder that took place

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Speaker 3: in broad daylight, in a classroom full of children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. This murder took place in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight, and it is arguably one of the most

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Speaker 2: prominent anti LGBTQ murders since the murder of Matthew Shepherd

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Speaker 2: ten years. Ellen DeGeneres and Hillary Clinton even sent their

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Speaker 2: condolences at the time, and across the country there were

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Speaker 2: vigils and marches all in Larry's name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I said, it happened in a junior

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Speaker 3: high on a school day, and this brings up all

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Speaker 3: kind of questions about how this was able to escalate

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Speaker 3: to the point of murder in a classroom. Today, we're

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Speaker 3: going to be talking with a friend of Larry's, and

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Speaker 3: that is Tiger. She has courageously agreed to speak with us,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm very grateful to have her on the show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so grateful. But now our producer Trevor is going

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Speaker 2: to take us through today's case.

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Speaker 3: You know, at first it looked like a simple hate crime,

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Speaker 3: but as students and teachers testified at the trial last week,

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Speaker 3: a much more complicated picture has begun to emerge.

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Speaker 4: He's remembered as friendly and outgoing, but fellow students say

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Speaker 4: he became the subject of taunts and bullying in school

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Speaker 4: at after speaking out about his sexual orientation and reportedly

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Speaker 4: wearing makeup, lipstick, and jewelry to school.

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Speaker 3: It's inconceivable that anybody could be that angry at a

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Speaker 1: Larry King, who also went by Letitia, was a fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old who was killed by a classmate in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight in Oxnard, California. Larry was openly gay

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Speaker 1: and often presented very effeminate. They came out when they

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Speaker 1: were ten years old. As early as then Larry was

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Speaker 1: frequently bullied for their sexual identity. In seventh grade, Larry

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Speaker 1: transferred to EO. Green Junior High School, and there Larry

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Speaker 1: found a tight knit group of girls to be friends with,

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Speaker 1: and by all accounts, expressed their identity proudly, wearing dresses,

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Speaker 1: high heels, and makeup. One friend even said that quote

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Speaker 1: he wore makeup better than I did. End quote. But

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Speaker 1: the boys at this new school bullied Larry ruthlessly. Larry

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Speaker 1: responded defiantly, reportedly talking back to their taunts by saying

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Speaker 1: things like quote, I know you want me. One of

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Speaker 1: Larry's most frequent antagonizers was a fourteen year old boy

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Speaker 1: named Brandon McInerney. Larry told some friends that something romantic

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Speaker 1: most school days was hostile. One day, Larry walked down

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Speaker 1: the hall and said to Brandon, quote, love you baby.

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Speaker 1: Brandon became incensed and told one of Larry's friends that

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Speaker 1: they would never see Larry alive again. On the morning

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Speaker 1: of February fourteenth, Larry came to school dressed unusually. They'd

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Speaker 1: Teachers say Larry kept looking over their shoulder. Later that morning,

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Speaker 1: as Letitia King. It was one of the last things

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Speaker 1: was split. The defense claimed that Larry had made themselves

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Speaker 1: Others called this a gay panic defense, and LGBTQ activists

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Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter, and the use of a firearm. And so,

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Speaker 1: who was Larry or Letitia King? And how does this

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Speaker 3: Today? We have the honor of speaking with someone who

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Speaker 3: knew Larry King. Joining us now is Tiger, who was

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Speaker 3: a close friend and a classmate of Larry's. Tiger, Welcome

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. It's been a while since

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Speaker 5: I've talked to anybody about it, has it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But we're really happy that you're here with us today,

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Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna jump right into the story. You know,

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Speaker 3: for you. Can you start by just telling us how

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Speaker 3: you first met Larry and what your relationship was.

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Speaker 5: So we met in third grade and I had been

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Speaker 6: We had just moved.

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Speaker 5: From one side of town to the other and didn't

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Speaker 5: He was in the same class, and everybody else was

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Speaker 5: making fun of my jacket, and he was like, can.

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Speaker 6: I wear that?

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Speaker 5: And he wore my jacket for the day, and that's

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I do have a quick question for you, Tiger. I

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Speaker 2: been you know, different reports, different things said about Larry

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Speaker 2: as far as Larry's gender identity. As Larry's best friend

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Speaker 2: from third grade, can you just give us a little

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Speaker 5: He was still in the process of figuring himself out,

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Speaker 5: and we all were at that age, of course, so

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Speaker 5: he was still going through who is he? What is

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Speaker 5: And during the time when he passed, he was still Larry.

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Speaker 5: He was still he. He was figuring himself out, and

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Speaker 5: he did go by Latitia sometimes, he did want to

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Speaker 5: be called her sometimes, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: he was still he, and he was still Larry. So

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Speaker 5: I don't feel that it's up to us or anybody

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Speaker 5: that's doing a story about him to make that judgment,

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Speaker 5: because he wasn't given that chance to make that judgment

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Speaker 5: figure it out. So out of respect for him, he

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Speaker 5: should still be called Larry, and he should still be

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Speaker 2: When he left, beautifully said thank you, thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I really appreciate that. And I completely agree

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Speaker 3: basically you grew up together, right starting at third grade?

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Speaker 3: Did you know about what Larry was going through at home?

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Speaker 3: Did he ever talk to you about what was going on?

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Speaker 5: We were very very close, and our families knew each other,

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Speaker 5: and there was nothing really off limits. So we were

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Speaker 5: both very open with each other about the abuse that

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Speaker 5: a lot about his past. I knew a lot about

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Speaker 5: And then as he learned more, he would tell me more,

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Speaker 5: and as things would happen, he would tell me what happened.

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Speaker 5: So I was pretty in tune with what was going

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this too, because I grew up

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Speaker 3: a little bit of everything, and me myself being biracial,

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Speaker 3: it was a great place to grow up. But you

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Speaker 3: like growing up in Oxnard, California being biracial.

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Speaker 5: So in Oxnard, there's a lot of cultural diversity as adults.

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Speaker 5: As children, it's much more judgmental. So there might be

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Speaker 5: You can't really find yourself and your people, and mixed

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Speaker 5: But those tough kids become tough adults, and that has

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that you went through that, Tiger, and

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Speaker 6: Oh, don't be sorry, don't be world.

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Speaker 5: has negatives and positives. You just gotta choose which one

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Speaker 2: I love everything that you shared with us, Tiger, every

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Speaker 2: single word, and I feel like I can only step

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Speaker 2: you and Larry to be friends going through life. Can

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Speaker 2: you share a little bit about what you bonded over,

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Speaker 2: what you liked to do? You know, we want to

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Speaker 2: know about who Larry was as a human before Larry

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Speaker 6: Oh, he was fucking crisy.

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Speaker 3: Sorry in a good way.

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Speaker 6: Right. He was very, very crazy.

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Speaker 5: We both were, but that's kind of just what made

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Speaker 5: us us. We both came from broken homes and that

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Speaker 5: built our friendship. And we were both dealing with so much,

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Speaker 5: but we were able to confide in somebody who understood. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so we learned to grow together more and more and

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Speaker 6: We were trouble. We were not.

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Speaker 5: Like, oh, there's those good little kids. No, it was like,

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Speaker 5: They're being quiet, so we know they're up to something. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We was those kids. We were the kids that, like

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Speaker 3: Brandon McInerney. Did you did you know him personally?

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Speaker 5: I ain't heard that name and so long. Oh, so

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Speaker 5: we knew each other out of school. My mom helped

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Speaker 5: So my mom was kind of like a sponsor for

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Speaker 5: I don't blame him.

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Speaker 6: Who would be YEA.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was dealing with his own stuff and that

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Speaker 5: No, No, I had a tendency to be paraded around

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Speaker 5: You know, we're all going through who we are and

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Speaker 5: So all of those combined create a very toxic environment

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Speaker 2: With I see, So that was happening even before he

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Speaker 5: It's hard to say before bullying Larry, because Larry has

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Speaker 5: been bullied every day of his life. There was never

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Speaker 5: because we had went to separate schools and he ended

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Speaker 5: had to deal all by himself. Yeah, when we were separate,

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Speaker 2: I'm thankful that he had you with him despite all

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Speaker 5: Don't want it fool you. We had our fights. We

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Speaker 5: Yeah. It was one of those things where you keep

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Speaker 5: our parents and was like, we can't get them to

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Speaker 5: stop talking, we keep doing there's no contact, and finally

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Speaker 5: his guardians and my mother was like, at this point,

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Speaker 5: just stop trying. They're gonna work it on their own life.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna fight, but they're gonna work it out. Just

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Speaker 3: The fact that you came back to the school, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure it allowed him to have a little bit more freedom.

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Speaker 3: He knew his tiger was somewhere nearby.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and whenever there was issues, he knew where

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Speaker 5: to go. Like it wasn't one of those. He's dealing

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Speaker 5: with issues. He can't confine me. We would find each

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Speaker 5: you because I don't like fake shit, So you just

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Speaker 5: other people. I don't care about other people. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: around me. M hm. I do occasionally regret pushing him

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Speaker 5: to be himself so much, because in the end, no

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Speaker 6: So there are quite a.

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Speaker 5: Few times that I regret not telling him to just

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Speaker 5: But I think even if he did that and lived

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Speaker 5: through everything, he wouldn't really have lived through everything. He

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Speaker 5: So you can't really ask out of somebody. You should

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Speaker 5: live your life to the fullest, one hundred percent. Don't

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Speaker 5: water it down. Don't be somebody's cup of tea. Be

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Speaker 5: somebody shot a whiskey. And if they can't swallow you,

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Speaker 2: Well we'll tiger with everything that you know you've been

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Speaker 2: so open with us about. If please, if you don't

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Speaker 2: feel comfortable talking about this, please don't feel like you

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Speaker 2: have to. You know, we do not sensationalize, nor do

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Speaker 2: we want to sensationalize what happened, and we never want

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Speaker 3: But from your.

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Speaker 2: Perspective, what was it like the day that Larry was shot?

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Speaker 5: So the day that he got shot, I was late

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Speaker 6: He got there.

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Speaker 5: Because he was late as well, okay. And the first

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Speaker 5: thing that I noticed was he always wore this collar shirt,

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Speaker 5: like dark blue uniform pants that were just bagging horrible,

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Speaker 5: and these torn up tennis shoes that just did not

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Speaker 5: do him justice. And that was what he wore every day,

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Speaker 5: every day. So there was never anything that you'd be like.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's different.

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Speaker 5: Until the few months leading up to the shooting.

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Speaker 6: He had went to oh lord, I can't remember the.

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Speaker 3: Facility Cosa PACIFICA.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so he'd been moved into the facility right before

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Speaker 5: I know, your feet.

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Speaker 7: Hurt, and let me tell you, he walked them things

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Speaker 7: just thinking about it.

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Speaker 5: Do that, But he did, and he just wanted to

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Speaker 5: moved to the special education class, the Gift and Talented,

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Speaker 5: they moved Brandon into.

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Speaker 3: That class into the computer class.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how they ended up in that classroom at

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Speaker 5: They were right across from each other, so we were

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Speaker 6: And I was like, that's way weird.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like it doesn't make sense, but okay, you do

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Speaker 5: who's slamming doors?

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Speaker 3: Didn't even sound like a gun shot?

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Speaker 5: Well, most kids around there weren't used to guns. I

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Speaker 3: So did you know you knew?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, automatically, I was like, irong a couple of minutes past,

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Speaker 5: And I made a stupid joke about, oh, somebody got shot.

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Speaker 5: Oh shit, yeah, and didn't think twice of it, me

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Speaker 6: At that point.

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Speaker 5: Of course, I was told by the teacher at that

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Speaker 5: I knew, I.

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Speaker 6: Knew, I knew.

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Speaker 2: You don't even remember that I.

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Speaker 5: Don't remember nothing until a little.

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Speaker 6: Bit later on.

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Speaker 3: You blacked it out.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't blame you.

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Speaker 5: I was sitting there screaming I knew, and she didn't

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Speaker 6: And pull her aside and talk to her.

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Speaker 5: And somebody was at the window. We had pretty high windows,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, he can walk, he can walk

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Speaker 5: That boy could walk right out of school. Just not

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Speaker 5: you told your teacher you knew, and I'm like, I did.

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00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: I knew the day before. I don't think I told

442
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: y'all that. So the day before the shooting, at lunch,

443
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: Larry was kind of being a fool doing whatever, and

444
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm gonna go do my own thing.

445
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: And from what I've heard from other people, he was

446
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 5: hanging out with another group of girls that I don't

447
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: really associate with. They weren't my cup of tea, so

448
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 5: they were hanging out with him, and I guess they

449
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 5: were all asking people to be their Valentines and things

450
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: like that, and they convinced him to ask Brandon to

451
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 5: be his valie time and he asked him in front

452
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 5: of all the boys they were all playing basketball, and

453
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: they started teasing him about it. He got pissed and

454
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 5: I'm not around.

455
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 6: I don't know any of that. So that is all

456
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 6: that's what I heard. Yeah, that is all hears say.

457
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: But as the bell rang were all headed to our

458
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: classes after lunch, and mine was art, so I'm headed

459
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 5: there and Brandon came up to me and told me

460
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 5: to say goodbye to Larry because I wasn't gonna see

461
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 5: him again, and me, not thinking about it, was like,

462
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: you're a dumb piece of shit. And we exchanged a

463
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 5: few words, and I told him what I thought about him,

464
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 5: and that was that.

465
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: That's the day before, right the day before?

466
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, And then after school I ended up having

467
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: attention and I ended up going out and Larry was

468
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 5: still there waiting for his ride because he was at

469
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: the facility still, so they came to pick him up

470
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 5: from school, gotcha, and he.

471
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 6: Looked real like battered up.

472
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: His hair was all a mess, his shirt was all

473
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: ripped up.

474
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 6: He'd been in a scuffle.

475
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: And so I asked him automatically what the heck happened,

476
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 5: and he didn't want to tell me, and I just

477
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: kept on and kept on and kept on, and I'm like,

478
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna let you get in the car until

479
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 5: you tell me what's going on. And finally he told

480
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 5: me it was some of the boys, but he wouldn't

481
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 5: name any names. YadA YadA, And again from hearing it

482
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 5: from other people. Supposedly it was the group of boys

483
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 5: including Brandon.

484
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: The basketball boys.

485
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 5: Yes, it was the group of boys around the courts

486
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 5: when he did the Valentine Game or whatever they called it.

487
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 5: But he would and tell me because he knows, yeah,

488
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 5: I'm a mess. So he didn't want me to get

489
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 5: in the middle of it, and so I was like okay.

490
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 5: Still didn't put two and two together, but I'm like okay.

491
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: And then fast forward to after the incident. I don't

492
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 5: really remember much of talking to the officer. I remember

493
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: explaining what had happened. I remember being in front of him,

494
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 5: but I don't remember actually talking to him. And then

495
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: the moment that I really came to.

496
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: I think it was Jackie.

497
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: I can't remember the night, but she was one of

498
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: the people that was sitting right next to him, and

499
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 5: I was leaving the cafeteria as she was coming into

500
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 5: the cafeteria and she had blood on her and that's

501
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: really the moment where I was like, I'm back, m

502
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 5: something's really wrong here. They eventually let us go home,

503
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: and everybody was trying to figure out what was going on,

504
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 5: and I was trying to figure out how to get

505
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: to the hospital and they were just like, he's.

506
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 6: Dealing with a lot. They're going to be doing a lot.

507
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 6: Just give them some time. And I'm like, okay, like.

508
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 5: I don't want to, but they're like, you don't need

509
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 5: to be there right now, not right now with why

510
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: he is.

511
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 6: You're gonna lose it. Just give them some time.

512
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: And so I was still under the impression that he

513
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 5: was very much.

514
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: Alive and going to make it.

515
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

516
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 5: Going through surgery dealing with his health. Obviously he's not

517
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 5: gonna die, right, He's just dealing with some health issues.

518
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: And the next day we all went back to school.

519
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: The school didn't shut down like what they did.

520
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: Their answer to everything was we're going to put some

521
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: crisis counselors in the library if you need them, and

522
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 5: there was three counselors available.

523
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 6: For a whole school.

524
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

525
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 6: I decided. I was like, he's gonna be fine. I'll

526
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 6: see him after school.

527
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: He'll be fine. So I'm like, you know what, I'm

528
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 5: gonna make this huge ass card from I went to

529
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: one of my teachers, I can't remember which one, and

530
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 5: I was like, I need.

531
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 6: Some card stock.

532
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: So broke into the drawer because she didn't want to

533
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: give it to me, and got some big old card

534
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 5: stock paper and I made this huge, almost like a

535
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: booklet card and I wrote a message, and then somebody

536
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: else was like, oh well, let me maude a message,

537
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: and then little by little, everybody started writing messages. So

538
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: I kept having to add paper and add paper and

539
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 5: add paper, and pretty soon I could break into this

540
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 5: no more. So I ended up with this little booklet

541
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: of just people writing notes saying they were sorry, And

542
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: a lot of the messages are people saying they're sorry

543
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 5: for making fun of him so much and bullying him

544
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: and beating him up. And instead of it being hey,

545
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 5: get better, because.

546
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 6: The front of it says get well.

547
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: Soon, that was my mindset. Instead it became a confessional

548
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 5: and everybody saying their confession and signing their name, and

549
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 5: I still have that.

550
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: Tigery. You know, I'm so sorry, Like my heart breaks

551
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: for you and for all of you guys, all of

552
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: the kids that had to go through that, Like you

553
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: shouldn't have been the one to go get the paper.

554
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: Your teachers, you know, should have made that something that

555
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: you all did together. And to just have like three counselors,

556
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: they should have that just is devastating to me, and

557
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm sorry in so many ways possible that

558
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: you you had to go through this without, you know,

559
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: a support system, especially especially at that age.

560
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 5: They are raising tough kids. Yes, so if they didn't

561
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: need therapy and all this stuff growing up, why would

562
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: these kids need therapy and stuff growing up? It's generations

563
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 5: of lack of care and we were just one of

564
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 5: the generations.

565
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: A different time, a different era. I get that, you know,

566
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: but it's still it's like, my heart just breaks for

567
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: you guys. You know, I know you're a tough woman

568
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: and you've you've moved through this, and you know I

569
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: have created your own life and forged through. But still

570
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: I wish that the teachers would have done something for Larry,

571
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: Like did they do anything for Larry?

572
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 6: Did they they sign the car?

573
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 5: Not all of them. In fact, we had one teacher

574
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 5: who said he shouldn't have been living his life the

575
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: way he was living it and it wouldn't happen.

576
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: I think I saw that on the documentary that you

577
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: were all featured in Valentine Road.

578
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she very proudly stated that, and me and

579
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 5: her head bututted heads a few times. She was very

580
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: hardcore in her beliefs. But you don't say that to

581
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: kids that are still struggling now.

582
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: So you're saying till this day, there's still no monument

583
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: to Larry at this school. There's no tree, there's no bench.

584
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: There is there something. There's a tree without Larry's name, right.

585
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: They made it very clear it was gonna be for Larry.

586
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: We fought for that tree. We had to jump through

587
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: hoops to get that tree. And at the end of

588
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: the day they planted the tree and would not mention

589
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: his name.

590
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Well, we will keep mentioning his name, Tiger absolutely.

591
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 5: I mean if you ask kids nowadays, they won't know,

592
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 5: they won't know what that's tree for. They wouldn't even

593
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: recognize it because the day put up somewhere special. There's

594
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 5: nothing really beautiful around it. There's nothing. And the whole

595
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 5: point about it was it was supposed to be this

596
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 5: beautiful tree to show the growth that he didn't get

597
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 5: to do, and to have these flowers around it, to

598
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 5: pull in butterflies because those were his favorite team Like,

599
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 5: there was so much planned and at the end of

600
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: the day, why would you say his name?

601
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: We will, And that's why it's so important that you

602
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: know around the show today to tell this story, because

603
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 3: this is a powerful story that everybody needs to hear.

604
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 6: It's a story that a lot of people have forgotten.

605
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: That's so true.

606
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of storytelling, right, beautiful part of

607
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: podcasting and television, movies and all these things. We can

608
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: still tell these stories. And I know, to you, Larry

609
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: is not just a story.

610
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 6: Oh no, not at all, not at all.

611
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: And I'd love to know, because you're a strong, amazing

612
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: human being, how has Larry affected your life? And how

613
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: did you move onward and upward through everything you had

614
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: to go through through this horrific trauma.

615
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 5: I didn't for a long time, and just like everybody else,

616
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: we didn't deal with it. We didn't have appropriate support

617
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 5: to deal with it. So you learn not to deal

618
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: with it. It's the story of that name, like that

619
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 5: whole area.

620
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 6: That's just how we deal with things. We don't. We

621
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 6: just sweep it under the rug and keep moving.

622
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 5: And then I'd say probably when I was an adult,

623
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 5: probably about eighteen nineteen, that's when I really started figuring

624
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 5: my emotions out and healing from my own trauma, from

625
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 5: my own family and my own past. And didn't realize

626
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 5: how much that still affected me until that topic was

627
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: brought up in therapy and I was like, no, let's

628
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 5: not dig into that. So it took a lot of therapy,

629
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: a lot, and.

630
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: Therapy is amazing.

631
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, hard therapy and a lot of medication,

632
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: and it finally got me to the point where I

633
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 5: could come to terms.

634
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 6: You're never gonna.

635
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 5: Be okay with it, but you can come to terms

636
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 5: to the point that you're okay with life now.

637
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: And are you okay with life now? Tiger?

638
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 3: Oh?

639
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I have a beautiful life. My son has

640
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 5: his initials his Lawrence votes LF, and my son is

641
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 5: named Lyndon Frasier LF, So that was one of the

642
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 5: ways that I wanted to represent him. And then my

643
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 5: daughter we have wind chimes with butterflies for him. We

644
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: talk about him regularly. He's an active part of her

645
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 5: family history and it's part of why I live so

646
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 5: goal focused.

647
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 6: Now.

648
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 5: Yes, I have a very very productive life. I have

649
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 5: beautiful things to show for it. I have a beautiful family,

650
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 5: beautiful businesses.

651
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 6: I have a beautiful life.

652
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 3: Tiger.

653
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: If you want to share, maybe how you want people

654
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: to remember Larry or how you remember Larry.

655
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 5: It's not so much about remembering him, and I don't

656
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: think he would want it to be about remembering him.

657
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 6: Well, depending on the day, he's kind of cocky.

658
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: But it's not about him. This story isn't singular. There's

659
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 5: entirely too many people dealing with similar situations and having

660
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 5: similar stories. And I don't think that his death is

661
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 5: just about him, and I don't feel that his story

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Speaker 5: should be about just him. I think that his story

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Speaker 5: same confusion and the same growth that he was dealing with.

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Speaker 5: And if we single out one person, then you don't

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Speaker 5: get to see the whole blanket. You can't look at

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Speaker 5: one string and go, man, that's a gorgeous pattern, because

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Speaker 5: it's not. It's one string. But when you step back

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Speaker 5: and you look at everybody that's dealing with similar situations,

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Speaker 5: it's not just a story. It's reality. And his story

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Speaker 5: is the reality for entirely too many people up to

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Speaker 5: this day. And I think it shouldn't be about what

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Speaker 5: happened to him and how it ended. It should be about,

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Speaker 5: you know, the eighth graders that are here right now, Yes,

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Speaker 5: who are going through this right now. Absolutely, his story

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Speaker 5: is not about him dying. His story is about that

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Speaker 5: eighth grader today who's going to be able to live

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Speaker 5: their life to the fullest because somebody somewhere remembered that

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Speaker 5: story that they heard about that little boy getting shot,

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Speaker 5: and they took his story serious and looked out for

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Speaker 5: him and made sure that that little boy got to

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Speaker 5: grow up and make his choices for his life and

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Speaker 5: have his future. Larry's story isn't his. We're all part

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Speaker 5: of it, but at the end of the day, his

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Speaker 5: story is for the little kids now who need a

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Speaker 5: future that is safe. So I don't think that anyone

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Speaker 5: should just focus on him, although I'm sure he'd love it,

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Speaker 5: but I'm just saying I am sure he'd be all

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Speaker 5: about it. But at the end of the day, it's

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Speaker 5: not his story. This is humanity story and how we

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Speaker 5: choose to move forward with it and if we want

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Speaker 5: this to continue or not.

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Speaker 3: Yes, agreed. I don't even have words because you have

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Speaker 3: just said so many powerful things on this episode that

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Speaker 3: we can all reach deep in our souls and take

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Speaker 3: a look at you know, and have these important conversations

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Speaker 3: and that's why you know we have you here on

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Speaker 3: facing evil to share your story, to share, like you said,

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Speaker 3: our story, it's our collective story, it's our quilt right

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Speaker 3: that we will continue to stitch, stitch by stitch, just

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Speaker 3: like you said, Tiger, Thank you again, thank you.

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Speaker 6: For sharing all of our stories.

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Speaker 2: Today's message of hope and healing goes out to people

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Speaker 2: like Larry King. Larry was flamboyant, Larry was unapologetic, and

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Speaker 2: Larry was utterly himself. He had the strength to be

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Speaker 3: That kind of strength can really inspire people around you,

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Speaker 3: even people you don't realize you're inspiring. In the documentary

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Speaker 3: Valentine Road, a friend of Larry said that he inspired

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Speaker 3: her to feel comfortable enough to dress as she liked

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Speaker 3: and eventually to come out as gay.

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Speaker 2: Bold behavior inspires others to be bold and to speak

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Speaker 2: their own truth. It's all a part of building a

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Speaker 2: world that's more open, healthier, and ultimately happier and safer

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Speaker 2: for everyone. And that is a truly beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: So to Larry and others like him, onward and upward,

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Speaker 3: e moua, e moua, Well, that's our show for today.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear what you thought about today's discussion

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Speaker 2: and if there's a case you'd like for us to cover.

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Speaker 3: at Tenderfoot dot tv.

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Speaker 2: support is always cherished.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, Aloha.

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