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Speaker 1: Welcome to beautiful Westfield in Indiana, the site of the

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Speaker 1: Browns and the Colts joined practices at this unbelievable training

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Speaker 1: camp facility that the Indianapolis Colts have. This is the

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Speaker 1: best podcast available. Nathan Sigura joined by a very esteemed

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Speaker 1: panel Andrew Gribble and the voice of the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: Jim Donovan, and gentlemen. The first day out here, we

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Speaker 1: got to see the Browns enjoy one of these joint

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Speaker 1: practices like we've seen in the past, whether it be

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Speaker 1: the Bills or the Bucks. Today it was the Colts

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Speaker 1: and Jim, I'll start with you. What did you think

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Speaker 1: of what you saw from the Browns. Well, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a great day and it was what a

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Speaker 1: facility this is. And when we arrived and came off

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Speaker 1: the bus and we went through like a big, huge

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Speaker 1: to come down to the practice field was like walking

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Speaker 1: through the ba to full metroparks back in Cleveland. I

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Speaker 1: mean we walked through the trees on a blue painted

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Speaker 1: carpet it seemed, and came onto the field. It was great,

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Speaker 1: and then the work was great. I think the Browns

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Speaker 1: are showing all of the signs of a tough training camp,

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Speaker 1: and I mean the positive signs of it, because I

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Speaker 1: think they're ready for the physicality that comes along with

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Speaker 1: when two teams go against each other. And that was

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Speaker 1: not always the case back a few years when they

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Speaker 1: went up and went against the Bills, they were not

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Speaker 1: physically ready there and it really it put them behind

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Speaker 1: the eight ball, and I think it showed them that

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Speaker 1: they had a lot of work to do. But this

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Speaker 1: was very good today. I was very pleased with what

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Speaker 1: I saw on both fields. I think whereas they when

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Speaker 1: they went to Buffalo and all of a sudden, it

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Speaker 1: seems like they got caught with their pants down. They

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Speaker 1: were not ready to compete here. It seemed like the

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Speaker 1: Browns had actually tone it down and scaled back from

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Speaker 1: what they've been used to doing in Borea. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would agree to. I mean it, it just looks as

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Speaker 1: though and I was kind of wondering how this camp

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Speaker 1: and how Freddie was going to sell this. Hey, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be very physical, we're gonna be in pads a

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Speaker 1: odd and if it was gonna work, and it's working,

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Speaker 1: it really is working. You can really see you can

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Speaker 1: also see that it's kind of brought them together as

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Speaker 1: a team. I mean, it really has. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: just those scenes from a week ago in the game

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Speaker 1: against Washington, the celebrations, I mean, was she he just

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Speaker 1: Seppi and with d J. Montgomery and with all these

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Speaker 1: guys in the great plays and the and the rookies

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Speaker 1: on defense making those plays. I think everything is just

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Speaker 1: kind of really tight right now, and it's really good.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's great to see Nathan, You're we talked

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Speaker 1: about it on CBD. I think on Tuesday, just I

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Speaker 1: didn't feel the same like uncertainty, nervousness going into these

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Speaker 1: joint practices as we did those previous two years, because

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Speaker 1: you're right, two fifteen, me and Gibbs were getting taunted

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Speaker 1: at the at those at those joint practices, we were

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Speaker 1: walking on the sidelines and Bills players were and so

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Speaker 1: and so then sixteen comes along Bill's players. If I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't know about this. I mean, and then sixteam

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Speaker 1: wasn't bad, but not a great season obviously, But now

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Speaker 1: you know, now you're coming Indy with a team that

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Speaker 1: you expect to be just as good as you're hoping

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Speaker 1: to be. They're obviously not a full strength. Arguably they're

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Speaker 1: two best players are not participating. But the Browns got

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Speaker 1: thinking these teams were pretty evenly matched. I think both

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Speaker 1: Brown's offense definitely established itself, and then the physicality was there,

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Speaker 1: And it's this, this practice just didn't stand out the

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Speaker 1: it's just not it's not as big of a of

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Speaker 1: a change from what we've been seeing so far. It

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Speaker 1: And they have some talented guys. Got a couple really

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Speaker 1: good tight ends. I got a great receiver in t

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Speaker 1: saw some great things Jacoby Brisset, and it was a

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Speaker 1: for success. You're going out there in practice against the

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Speaker 1: Colts team the one nine of its final ten games

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Speaker 1: a year ago, one a playoff game on the road

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Speaker 1: So yes, this is a good football team. And I

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Speaker 1: thought the Browns absolutely looked like they belonged and to

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Speaker 1: some great things from Baker Mayfield. But what really stood out,

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Speaker 1: time we really saw Kareem Hunt unleashed he was. He

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Speaker 1: the other part about the physicality of what they've been

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Speaker 1: I mean there's not a weakness in that front forward

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Speaker 1: we've really been making each other better. And I think

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Speaker 1: it showed today. I think it did show today as well.

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Speaker 1: Uh grips. When you think about this line, James Campon

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Speaker 1: and we know the Browns were good in the second

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Speaker 1: Now four of the five spots are locked up. Right

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Speaker 1: guard Cushes seems to be the favorite, but we saw

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Speaker 1: I definitely think they did better today. In team drills

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Speaker 1: this Browns group needs a little work. But in team

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Speaker 1: they definitely showed out. I think near the end Colts

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Speaker 1: Uh that I think everyone by the end of that

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Speaker 1: Mayfield is the secret ingredient to making an offensive line

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Speaker 1: look good because again I had more people again today

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Speaker 1: it's really not affecting him, or he makes an even

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Speaker 1: It's possible, I really do. And I think that they

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Speaker 1: something that you know, that they might be appealing to them,

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Speaker 1: and there could be another shift. I always think when

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Speaker 1: Duke Johnson at the time, they did, and grant at

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Speaker 1: the price they got back, you might have thought yourself, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe if I wait till there's a significant injury, I

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Speaker 1: go be aggressive to shore something up on this offensive lot.

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Speaker 1: You've got three extra picks right now to work with

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Speaker 1: in deals. The payment the payback on Corey Coleman, and

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Speaker 1: the payback on Jamar Taylor. So I mean those those

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Speaker 1: Jamar Taylor picked and the Corey Coleman pick, those are

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Speaker 1: the kind of pieces you have if you feel like

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Speaker 1: you have to make a move. You know, the most

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Speaker 1: ideal situation is you've got someone that rises and seizes

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Speaker 1: his job. I mean, how good of a story would

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Speaker 1: it be if your your answer is suddenly true forms

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Speaker 1: I mean, now that would be out of nowhere, but

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Speaker 1: it certainly seems more plausible today than it did two

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Speaker 1: we've become used to it, but I don't even think

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Speaker 1: back doing this again tomorrow, Gibbey, Is that correct? Tomorrow?

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