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Speaker 1: Oh here we go, Ready to roll. It is a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Joel klad Mark Sanchez. We're live in our snazzy new studio.

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Speaker 1: We're in Los Angeles. It is great to have you

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Speaker 1: in today. We got all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones on Good Morning America this morning. He is

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Speaker 1: defending that trade of Micah Parsons on every network that

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Speaker 1: will have him on Jay mackin. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about. One of my favorite things

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Speaker 1: came out in the Athletic. I had done it two

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Speaker 1: years in a row. I texted the producer this morning

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Speaker 1: at fourfold Posts. It's called the NFL Hope Pole Meters.

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Speaker 1: So they go and they do a survey second year

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Speaker 1: for the athletic, they do a survey with fans. How

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Speaker 1: optimistic are you with your team? So this is pre

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Speaker 1: Micah trade. So Micah was still a cowboy when they

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Speaker 1: did this. So the teams at the top, they're loving

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Speaker 1: life in Denver, and you know it's Philadelphia Ravens, Lions,

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Speaker 1: Bill's Rams, Chiefs. You would understand that the shocker is

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Speaker 1: Look at the bottom, the least optimistic teams Colts, Saints,

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Speaker 1: Brown's Cowboys. Again, this is pre Micah Parsons trade. Second

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Speaker 1: straight year, Dallas third from the bottom. They have a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback that it's at least B to B plus,

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Speaker 1: no state tax, free agents, decent weather, great facilities, big

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Speaker 1: time weapons. Third from the bottom. That is a one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent complete indictment of Jerry Jones. That is an

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Speaker 1: anti Jerry Jones vote. I started talking about this three

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Speaker 1: years ago. It maybe sounds cruel, a little mean, but

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Speaker 1: we got to keep it one hundred. This has become

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Speaker 1: old Al Davis with the Raiders. Jerry's become old Al

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Speaker 1: Davis with the Raiders. He keeps trying to sell the

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Speaker 1: fans something and they're not buying. And what's amazing about

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Speaker 1: this hopometer poll in the Athletic number one Denver and

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Speaker 1: not shocking. Twenty twenty two, they got a new owner.

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Speaker 1: They were awful fans, Sean Payton, everybody. Now they're number one.

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Speaker 1: They're above the Chiefs. Bill's raven rams. Also see where

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Speaker 1: the commanders are. They flushed out awful, Dan Snyder. They're

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Speaker 1: a top ten optimism team. If you don't think owners matter,

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Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. Dallas is in the same group

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Speaker 1: as c Eveland, the Saints, the Jets, the Colts. These

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Speaker 1: you the one thing because I watched this documentary on

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Speaker 1: Netflix with Jerry. He had a big ego, then he's

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Speaker 1: got a big ego now. He was a savvy businessman.

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Speaker 1: Then he's a savvy businessman now. The difference is when

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Speaker 1: he took that job, he got the best coach available

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Speaker 1: on the market, Jimmy Johnson. Over the course of time,

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Speaker 1: as coaching has become more crucial than ever, more important

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Speaker 1: than ever, and there's more great young coaching. Jerry does

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Speaker 1: not respect the profession. This is a quarterback coach league,

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't respect the position. Brian Schottnaimer was on

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Speaker 1: Nobody's radar. I think the last time he interviewed for

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Speaker 1: considered an old school offensive guy. Nobody was lined up

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Speaker 1: for him forget head coach at coordinator. Maybe I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: maybe he crushes it. But they could have had Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, Pete Carroll. They didn't even interview, not even interested.

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Speaker 1: So because I think Jerry looks at it and thinks,

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Speaker 1: I want to play with my toy. And there's several

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Speaker 1: things that have happened that the Cowboys love the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: They over the last decade have more starts from the

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Speaker 1: players they've drafted than any other team. They don't want

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Speaker 1: what happened to the Lakers until they got the new owner,

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Speaker 1: and that will change. But and Jerry is going on

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Speaker 1: any network that will listen. And I defended him on

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Speaker 4: We have two kinds of capital or currency in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: That's a good trade.

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Speaker 1: When you need numbers.

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Speaker 5: I'll take the numbers every time.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'll defend him on that. I would have done

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Speaker 1: But the Cowboy job should be like that line at

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Speaker 1: be lined up around the block. If Ohio State or

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Speaker 1: Penn State, Georgia have a job opening, here come the resumes.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees of the Dodgers have an opening. Here come

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Speaker 1: the resumes. Kansas Basketball, Duke Carolina UKN Dallas Cowboys. Look

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Speaker 1: at who's applying for that thing. I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: That is a one hundred percent anti Jerry vote. So

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Speaker 1: you know what we were saying this yesterday. It's not

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Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick lost to TCU. It's how they lost.

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Speaker 1: I turned it off mid third quarter. They were cumiliated.

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Speaker 1: got his guys. Mike Vrabel's one of his guys. Right,

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Speaker 3: WEEI radio talking about Bill's opener with the tar Heels.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you've coached in college.

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Speaker 6: It takes a while, don't you think to get a

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Speaker 5: Erbymyer won twelve of the first twelve games in Ohio States.

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Speaker 1: Ron Zook. It was a mess. First year nine wins

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Speaker 1: Michigan took over Brady Hoak, a disaster they didn't have.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti at Indiana Basketball School year one, eleven wins.

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Speaker 1: Sunny Dyke's TCU first year, thirteen wins. It's not like Carolina.

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Speaker 1: as I said yesterday, I'm absolutely convinced. The number one

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Speaker 1: problem with Belichick when it's coaching staffs or players, he

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Speaker 1: just is seeking comfort. He just wants to coach and

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Speaker 1: work with people that he's comfortable with. But the other

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Speaker 1: Ewing and it ends with a lot of turbulence and

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Speaker 1: a lot of losses, I don't hold it against you.

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Speaker 1: won forty four percent of his games. He averages nineteen

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Speaker 1: If you gave him the pieces, he would dominate the league.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a great GM, he was older, whatever, some next,

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Speaker 1: does in my opinion, it does affect how I view Belichick.

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Speaker 1: not saying Belichick didn't help with Dante's Karnekat didn't help

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Speaker 1: Brady early, but by the end I felt like Belichick

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't play Darius Butler got in the way. Won that

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Speaker 1: in the way with personality, could not draft receivers or

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Speaker 1: an artist, you can deliver clunkers, but there is something

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Speaker 1: about what I'm watching. It's got a Bobby Knightfield, the

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Speaker 1: brilliant he was. He bought the sauce and I what

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Speaker 1: I watched the other night, Mike Frable, that's an ouch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: urban Meyer went twelve to zero first year taking over

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Speaker 3: There are all sorts of funny things in this hopometer poll.

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Speaker 3: Should I ask whether the Jets were or not even

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Speaker 3: worth it? I mean, honestly, my jets hope right now

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Speaker 3: like eleven percent. Like I don't think there's I will say,

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Speaker 5: We're not gonna be good this year.

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Speaker 3: I don't buy what Charles Barkley on a podcast to something.

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Speaker 3: I love Charles, you don't. I love him, but I'm

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Speaker 1: So back when I fell in love with the NBA

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Speaker 1: have now in the NBA seven years, seven different champions. Now,

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Speaker 1: Dynasties tend to ignite ratings and drive interest, but they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all business taking their cues from Jalen Hurts, the

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Speaker 1: What is he worth? About seven and a half points

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Speaker 3: I followed by Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. You bet on

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Speaker 3: Listen, I said last week that I think Hurts is

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Speaker 3: But as long as it's out there, Colin, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: We're bending over backwards trying to make arches well because

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking as I lead with it too,

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Speaker 5: I wish social media around.

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Speaker 3: When Peyton Manning was flopping in every playoff game early

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Speaker 3: in his career, do you remember.

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Speaker 5: How bad it was? He couldn't he couldn't win.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't win a playoff game for like the first

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Speaker 3: five years of his career.

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Speaker 1: We'd be killing him now, yeah, j Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd line news.

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Speaker 1: So I got to go back to this hope o

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Speaker 1: meter the athletic second year, they take fans and they

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Speaker 1: pull fans on how much hope do you have? So

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Speaker 1: I led the show with this Denver's number one and

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Speaker 1: you know new owners Sean Payton Bownecks. I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. These Steelers are twenty six out of thirty

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Speaker 1: two teams, isn't that crazy? So they haven't had a

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Speaker 1: losing season in twenty two years. They get DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, and Aaron Rodgers. They're tied with the Patriots

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Speaker 1: for the most Super Bowls ever was six. And the

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Speaker 1: Steeler fans are only slightly more confident than Panthers, Titans, Falcons,

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Speaker 1: and Jets fans. So and they are not wrong. And

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that I've always sort of pushed

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Speaker 1: back on this stuff with Pittsburgh, what you brag about

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Speaker 1: in life says a lot about you. If you're bragging

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Speaker 1: about mediocrity in the NFL, if you're bragging about we

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Speaker 1: don't have losing seasons, basically now you're bragging about nine wins.

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Speaker 1: The standard is low. And we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: as a staff this morning. I view the Steelers is

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Speaker 1: much closer to the Bengals than the Ravens. I think

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Speaker 1: the Ravens is separated from the Steelers. I think they

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Speaker 1: have better ownership. I think they consistently are more aggressive

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Speaker 1: in their front office in the off season. I think

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Speaker 1: they evaluate quarterbacks better. I think this. I think the

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Speaker 1: Ravens now are what the Steelers were twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: And the standard for baltim More is urgency at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: urgency and free agency. So I and I think John

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Speaker 1: Harball is a top five coach. I do not think

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Speaker 1: that with Mike Tomlins. So we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: this morning. Pittsburgh's never exactly been hip, but they've become

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Speaker 1: zoobaz pants here pretty quick. They had no urgency the

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Speaker 1: last several years post Big Bennett quarterback. No urgency. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll get erin, maybe we won't. They spend the most

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Speaker 1: money in the league for the fourth or fifth raight

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Speaker 1: year on defense, so it's it is something else. But

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Speaker 1: I always find this funny. Pittsburgh fans get incredibly defensive

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Speaker 1: when you're critical. But the truth is, if you look

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Speaker 1: at this fan poll, Falcons fans, Panthers fans, Raiders fans,

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Speaker 1: Giants fans. This year, Jaguar fans are significantly more optimistic

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Speaker 1: than Pittsburgh Steeler fans. I mean, think about that. Those

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Speaker 1: people have nothing to be optimistick about, and they're more optimistic.

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Speaker 1: So Joel Klap's going to be joining us at the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour. You know there was a moment

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Speaker 1: in the Micah Parsons trade. His agent was talking yesterday

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Speaker 1: and talked about how Micah actually wanted to stay in

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Speaker 1: Dallas and play for the Cowboys. And I think there's

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Speaker 1: a life lesson we can learn here and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that next we're live in La. It's the hurd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: at noon Eastern non a em Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Saturday, the sy Hawks series takes center stage. It all

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Speaker 3: starts at ten am Eastern with the best pregame show

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Speaker 3: in college football, live from the campus of Iowa State.

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Speaker 3: Then Rock Obect leads the Cyclones in a showdown against

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Speaker 3: Art Trival Iowa. On Big Noons Saturday only on Fox,

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Speaker 3: Michigan play in Oklahoma. I think is it this weekend? Yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: I like Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: On that one.

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Speaker 5: You are very anti Nichigan.

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Speaker 1: I saw some troubling signs like the quarterback a lot.

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Speaker 5: I need to do some more homework on that one.

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Speaker 3: Did you see USC scored seventy three points and got

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Speaker 3: fewer votes?

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Speaker 5: You love mentioning that situated.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln out of their game. This weekend.

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Speaker 3: Who do you have a Kawhi Leonard type deal with

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley or something. No, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Kind of interesting, is that I did there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, real journalism. So you know, you gotta be careful

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Speaker 1: about holding those childhood dreams too tightly. Like you grow up,

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Speaker 1: you want to be something as a big world out there,

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Speaker 1: move out of your area code. So Micah Parson's agent

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Speaker 1: was saying that actually Micah wanted to be a Dallas cowboy.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing against the Packers, And here's Micah talking about

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Speaker 1: his new team and Dallas it's a cowboy nation.

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Speaker 10: Really, just thank you, Like I don't think people realize,

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Speaker 10: you know, I'm a very simple man.

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Speaker 3: Is It's all.

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Speaker 10: About principal with me, and it's all about you know,

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Speaker 10: the love and authenticity.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 10: I wish, you know, you know, things didn't have to

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Speaker 10: be like this, you know, but you know, I'm happy

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Speaker 10: for this opportunity. I'm happy to be here, and you know,

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Speaker 10: I'm ready to win some games.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Green Bay is gonna win eleven or twelve games

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Speaker 1: this year. Dallas could win four and I'm not joking.

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Speaker 1: He got a better GM, a better roster, a better organization,

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Speaker 1: better momentum, better quarterback overall, a better operation and no

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Speaker 1: vanity plugged owner. This is a great situation. Is there

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Speaker 1: a lot to do in Green Bay? No, not really.

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Speaker 1: It's it's chilly in the winter. There's not a ton

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Speaker 1: to do. But this is a great example of don't

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Speaker 1: hold onto your childhood dreams too tightly. Seek excellence. Okay,

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Speaker 1: at four, we all love chicken nuggets. At four, you

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Speaker 1: like Chick fil A. At twenty four to twenty five,

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Speaker 1: try some lobster. This is a great spot for him.

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Speaker 1: And remember Dallas hasn't bottomed out yet. Dallas has not

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Speaker 1: bottomed out yet. Now, I don't know how good Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love is. He's super talented, but he's a better thrower,

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Speaker 1: he moves better. He's younger and less expensive than Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: So if you put a room of GM's up and

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Speaker 1: you had Dak or Jordan Love, the majority would take

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love. And if it's Matt Lafleur against Brian Schottenneimer,

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Speaker 1: everybody in this league has taken Matt Lafleur. So this

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Speaker 1: is a great opportunity for him, and you just got

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Speaker 1: to be careful about you know, this is what I

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Speaker 1: always wanted to be his agents like he was always

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Speaker 1: a cowboy. He always dreamed about being a cowboy. He

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Speaker 1: always wanted to be live in Dallas and be a cowboy.

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Speaker 1: This is not the time to be a Dallas cowboy.

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Speaker 1: It is not the time. So when Dion Sanders took

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Speaker 1: the job at Colorado, we were joking this morning that

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Speaker 1: actually Dion Sanders has been the number one nil transfer

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Speaker 1: in college football the last three years. He is the name, image,

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Speaker 1: and likeness of Colorado football. Lot of sizzle, not a

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Speaker 1: ton of steak. About five hundred since he arrived. Can't

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Speaker 1: beat good teams, lost seven straight to ranked teams. But

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Speaker 1: I will say this about Deon Sanders. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a weird fit. I remember when it broke, like

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Speaker 1: on a Thursday or Friday. I thought, that's not going

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Speaker 1: to work. And then I remember coming back on Monday

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Speaker 1: and thinking, you know, Colorado's not Georgia. They just want

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Speaker 1: to be relevant. So this weekend, Deon Sanders. This past

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Speaker 1: week they lost a football game. Listen to media and

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Speaker 1: fans crush coaches for clock management. People understand Andy Reid's

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Speaker 1: the best coach in the world coaching football. You ever

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Speaker 1: noticed that Everybody used to talk about clock management with

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid in Philadelphia, and they never do in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that clock management, frankly, is in the

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Speaker 1: quarterback's hands. They're on the field. So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: defend Deon Sanders. I watched the end of this game.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love the clock management, but don't nitpick. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Colorado was the second best team on the field. Here

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Speaker 1: is Dion kind of defending how we used the clock

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Speaker 1: on that final drive.

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Speaker 7: First down, we throw a lateral pass, right, we lose

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Speaker 7: for four or five yards?

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Speaker 1: Do you call time out there?

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Speaker 7: No, you're right there. You don't call time out? So

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Speaker 7: the next play, what you gain? I guess fourteen yards whatever?

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Speaker 7: Now you got sec third and one, right, do you

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Speaker 7: call time out there? Third and one? You get the

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Speaker 7: first down? Clock stops, scramble play he ran out of

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Speaker 7: bounce the clock stop right. Now we throw the ball

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Speaker 7: that in zone. Clock stop right? So when was the

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Speaker 7: time to call time out?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to defend Dion. I watched it, and you

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Speaker 1: read I mean, you never heard Belichick get beaten up

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Speaker 1: for clock management or Sean Payton, because they had Brady

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Speaker 1: and they had Breeze and Andy Reid never gets crushed

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Speaker 1: for it. He's got Mahomes and Sean McDermott. He didn't get,

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Speaker 1: he get he didn't get knocked for it much either.

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Speaker 1: He's got Josh Allen. So but I think what's interesting

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Speaker 1: about Deon Sanders at Colorado. He got them as much

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Speaker 1: as Colorado Colorado will ever attain in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: He got eyeballs, sold tickets, got them on TV, brought relevance,

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Speaker 1: and they're five hundred team and that's it. And they're

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Speaker 1: not going to beat rank teams very often. And he

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Speaker 1: got him some nil money. He sold the stadium there.

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Speaker 1: They're in the green. They're no longer in the you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're not in the red anymore. They're in

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Speaker 1: the black. They're doing fine. They're making money, right, they're

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Speaker 1: making money. They're selling tickets, they're selling merch. That's the

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Speaker 1: ceiling for Colorado football. This is not Georgia or Alabama.

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Speaker 1: And what he saw it is what he got, which

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Speaker 1: is control. He is not Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State.

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Speaker 1: He's not that good at coach. He's not Lance Leopold

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Speaker 1: at Kansas. He's not that good at coach Kansas was

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Speaker 1: a worst football program, Lance Leopold, first year, second year,

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Speaker 1: beating good teams. You know, he's not Kyle Whittingham at

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Speaker 1: Utah or Matt Campbell at Iowa State. That's not what

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Speaker 1: he is. He's a former player. He got what he

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Speaker 1: sawt which was control, relevance, juice and energy, eyes on

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Speaker 1: his product. And that's as good as Colorado's going to do.

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Speaker 1: Colorado one and Natty years ago. The world's changed in

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Speaker 1: nil Colorado, Kantstaca. I don't know what Colorado gets annually

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Speaker 1: for football unless they have a rich booster. I'd be

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Speaker 1: shocked if they have over seven million dollars. My guess

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Speaker 1: is there around five six seven. I mean, good programs

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Speaker 1: like Washington have about seven to eight million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: Nil so and the big dogs like and you know

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Speaker 1: it's fifteen twenty for the Texas, Ohio State's Notre Dames

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know if Notre Dames at that

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Speaker 1: high us he is now so. I always think Dion

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Speaker 1: was always when he was when he was a player,

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Speaker 1: when he was a commentator, and as a coach. He

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Speaker 1: likes attention, he likes control, right. Remember when he dumped

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Speaker 1: the water in the late Tim McCarver, the broadcaster, McCarver,

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Speaker 1: he lost control. He wasn't controlling the narrative. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: controlling the commentary. Dion didn't like that. Dion leaves the

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Speaker 1: NFL network when they won't they won't pay him what

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Speaker 1: he wants. He wants control. I'm not against it. He

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Speaker 1: wanted control, they wanted relevance. It's actually become a perfect marriage.

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Speaker 1: But he's thirteen and thirteen and can't beat ranked teams,

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Speaker 1: and he's not an elite coach, and he is a

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Speaker 1: He is what he was build. You want to be relevant.

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Speaker 1: Hired Dion Sanders, and that's what they are, you know,

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Speaker 1: j Mac. I want to circle back to something we

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Speaker 1: talked about earlier. In fact, I'll get to it next hour.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go to the week one schedule,

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Speaker 1: and we do this as the football season starts. We

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Speaker 1: do this on a fairly regular basis. We throw up

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Speaker 1: the week one schedule. Now, we don't need to talk

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Speaker 1: about odds and who is betting, but there are some

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Speaker 1: things that are noteworthy. For instance, on Friday, Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: is the best September coach in the league over the

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Speaker 1: last decade. But Jim Harbaugh in the NFL, I believe

649
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Speaker 1: is five and zeroe openers, so against the spread, against

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Speaker 1: the spread, So Harbaugh is getting a field goal. It's

651
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Speaker 1: a home road game, it's a Charger so FI you

652
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Speaker 1: know it's fifty to fifty split. Just your feelings. This

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Speaker 1: game is in Brazil. Oh it's in Brazil. Well, then

654
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: that's a nightmare for both teams. Yeah, so we both

655
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: like Philadelphia over Dallas. Yes, it's locked that up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if I just said to you, Kansas City Chargers, these

657
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: are two very good season opening offensive coaches. Where would

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Speaker 1: you lean.

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Speaker 3: Listen, that's a game you don't pick. You don't need

660
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Speaker 3: to pay that game. I mean, listen, I'm rooting Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Uh No, Rashi Rice for Kansas City. A lot of

662
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: noise around Kelsey in the engagement.

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Speaker 1: Well Kelsey the remember last year Travis Kelcey arrived later,

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Speaker 1: but Noah Gray was picking up some slacks. So you

665
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: have no number one receiver in Rashi Rice. You're starting

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Speaker 1: a rookie at left.

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Speaker 5: Tackle against Uh. Well, actually it won't be Kleil no CLB.

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Speaker 1: I think he's on the other side. Maybe they move

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Speaker 1: him starting a left tackle rookie No Rashi, Rice, Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 1: You and I know he'll be there in the big games.

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Speaker 1: He could very well going to Brazil not be at

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Speaker 1: his best. I tend to think Kansas City games are

673
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Speaker 1: always close. You put an arrival, Harball Herbert, I would

674
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Speaker 1: take the points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take the point. If you give me three

676
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Speaker 3: and a half, definitely charge go go Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Sunday, early window, I think one of the

678
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: better bets on the board is the Giants getting six

679
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: to six and a half points.

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Speaker 3: You locked that in earlier this week because it's coming down.

681
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Speaker 3: I'm seeing six, it might see five and a half.

682
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Speaker 5: Did you lock that in?

683
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Speaker 3: Because remember last year we let you do the lock in.

684
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: I have not locked it in, but there's things here.

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00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: I think the New York Giants defensive front will keep

686
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: the Giants offense, albeit a limited offense. I think the

687
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: Giants defensive front, when it's healthy, which it is now,

688
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: will keep them in games. And if you care about

689
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: against the spread, Dan Quinn the worst head coach against

690
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Speaker 3: the spread one in six ats in openers.

691
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Speaker 1: That goes back to his Atlanta d defensive coaches generally

692
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: aren't as good in September. Belichick's weakest month was always September.

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Speaker 3: Well, did Terry McLaurin join them, Washington commander, He'll be

694
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Speaker 3: a yeah. I mean, honestly, is you have to speed

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Speaker 3: like I'm with you. I like the Giants ara an

696
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: upset now I do like the Falcons. I don't think

697
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: you can rock with me there. You have some funny

698
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Speaker 3: foutass takes as all lead.

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Speaker 1: But I will say another game one o'clock window. That's great.

700
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: Cleveland at home. Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor have been

701
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: slow starters, so Cleveland at home getting points. Cleveland's not

702
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: going to be good over the course of a season,

703
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Speaker 1: but bad teams tend to think they're better than they

704
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: are in September. I think the Browns at home keep

705
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Speaker 1: it close.

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Speaker 5: Let's just be okay. I've been on the show with

707
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Speaker 5: you for an awl. I think three years.

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Speaker 3: One of your best things is, hey, just take the

709
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: better quarterback. You just sold me going against Patrick Mahomes,

710
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels and now Joe Burrow, Colin, what's going on here?

711
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: Come on?

712
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Speaker 5: Seriously?

713
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Speaker 1: Okay, what's what's next?

714
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Speaker 5: You're gonna go against Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Come on, No, I'm I'm mostly taking the best quarterbacks.

716
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Speaker 1: But I but I do think there are things I

717
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Speaker 1: worry about teams that do not have established offensive lines.

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: Kansas City's playing a left tackle. That's a rookie offensive

719
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Speaker 1: lines over the course of seventeen weeks. If you have

720
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Speaker 1: new starters or young starters, you don't play those guys

721
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Speaker 1: a lot of snaps. O line is the number one

722
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Speaker 1: unit that is hardest to create cohesion in chemistry. So

723
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Speaker 1: Kansas City's O line Joe Tooney gone rookie left tackle.

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Speaker 1: I get Khalil Mack. I think Kansas City could be chopped. Also,

725
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Speaker 1: you're asking them to travel to Brazil.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be a great game. You should be close.

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Speaker 5: Chargers always seem to play them close.

728
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Speaker 1: How good home, I'm telling you the NFL. Listen to

729
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: these games late Sundays. Listen to these some of these babies.

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Speaker 1: Detroit at Green Bay, that's great, Baltimore at Buffalo Monday night,

731
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Speaker 1: Minnesota at Chicago. I like Minnesota there, well, you skipped

732
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Speaker 1: over sanfran at Seattle. We're on opposing sides in that one.

733
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Speaker 1: I've already bet the Niners here.

734
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Speaker 2: Now, I am worried.

735
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Speaker 3: About the depth chart Ricky Piersol, Juwan Jennings. Seattle secondary

736
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Speaker 3: is incredible. Witherspoon was a great find. It's it's gonna

737
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Speaker 3: be good game. I just don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I like the under.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds about right.

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Speaker 1: I mean Seattle is pivoting to a run game. First.

741
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: The Niners are a mash unit on the perimeter, and

742
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Speaker 3: Seattle's secondary is one of the better secondaries in the league.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's got twenty seventeen written all over Prus.

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Speaker 3: Robert Sala doesn't have a ton to work with, not

745
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Speaker 3: as much when he was there previously. Saul is a

746
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Speaker 3: great defensive coordinator for the Niner. I ran into a

747
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: buddy at the gym and he's a Steelers fan. I

748
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Speaker 3: went and made a bet with him for fun. I

749
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Speaker 3: got Jets, he's got Steelers. Do you have any read

750
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: on that game whatsoever? The Aaron Rodgers revenge spot probably

751
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: lean Jets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't feel great about it. Don't feel good about it.

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Speaker 1: Our two