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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode Katay's spoilers for Arcane season two Acts one,

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Speaker 2: That is the first three episodes of the Arcane television

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Speaker 2: program on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Jason. Hello, what it is Jason Kosio.

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Speaker 1: And I am Rosie Nut.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to xay Vision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 2: dive deep in your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Coming fromind our podcast where we're bringing you three episodes

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Speaker 2: a week every Tuesday and Thursday, and extra episode on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: There is episode in case you didn't guess from the

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Speaker 1: spoiler warning and our incredible singing. We are talking about

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Speaker 1: Arcane season two episodes one, two, and three Act one,

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Speaker 1: and after we do our speed recaps, because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of dense Arcane law, we will also be talking

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Speaker 1: about an overview of some of the production struggles, our thoughts,

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Speaker 1: and we will be tapping in the XRV production council

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Speaker 1: to share their thoughts on the show.

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Speaker 3: Stepping out of the air lock.

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Speaker 1: Now, Arcane season two, Episode one, Heavy is the Crown.

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Speaker 1: And if you thought that agn All Along had many

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Speaker 1: needle drops, oh baby, prepare yourself. It's a show of

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Speaker 1: needle drops. Obviously you're gonna get your big imagine Dragon's

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Speaker 1: Enemy opening song, but you will get many more songs.

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Speaker 1: We open in the media aftermath of Jex's hex infused

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Speaker 1: rocket hitting the council chambers. Jason Mellerer alive. That was

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Speaker 1: a big question mark there, but they're there. Other members

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Speaker 1: Missus Kiraman. That's going to cause some problems going forward.

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Speaker 1: Jase finds Victor badly injured.

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Speaker 2: Guy Cat can't catch a break.

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Speaker 1: You know what, he's in the hex tech. We kind

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Speaker 1: you know what, now he's he's getting healed hopefully. Then

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Speaker 1: there's a funeral for Missus Kierman. Things move fast after

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Speaker 1: a Jinx terrorist attacks. That's sum question of this.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about talk.

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Speaker 1: About that musical montage, new art style. Obviously, Counselor Salo

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Speaker 1: he's got plans. He wants to smashes on to pieces.

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Speaker 1: He's got the mysterious ambssa, Mel's mother pushing his wheelchair.

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Speaker 1: They want to punish the under City and go to war.

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Speaker 1: Mel and Caitlyn argue that with Silko dead, the under

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Speaker 1: city is leaderless and they should take advantage of the division. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Mel loses the vote two to one. But is it

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Speaker 1: really unfortunate due to what happens next we'll see. Mel's

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Speaker 1: mum suggests the council present a unified front for the invasion,

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Speaker 1: and melagrees, as long as they don't use hex tech.

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Speaker 1: Mean everyone else is using hex tech.

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Speaker 2: I let'll just stop us here for one second to

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Speaker 2: big one comment. It is crazy that we're having a debate,

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Speaker 2: a debate which will continue after the next Zon attack.

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Speaker 2: We're having a debate about whether or not to go

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Speaker 2: to war with Zoon after Jinx nuked the fucking council. Guys,

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Speaker 2: time to go in Jesus, why are we talking about.

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Speaker 4: Awmongering must begin now if we kind of start now,

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Speaker 4: Shure a hex gem at the council and killed one

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Speaker 1: Caitlin blames herself for not taking the shot on Jinks,

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Speaker 1: which will become a reoccurring issue. And Caitlyn's mother left

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Speaker 1: her the Kiraman key. Now this is very cool. We

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Speaker 1: what the key might do Caitlyn seeks solace in Viola,

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Speaker 1: who now admits that Powder is gone and Jinx has

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Speaker 1: with the Power Gauntlets and fix this, and Caitlyn says,

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Speaker 1: here's your badge, here's your I'm an enforcer, and VI's like,

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Speaker 1: the bearded guy. Discord users, if you know who the

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Speaker 1: bearded guy is is tell us, because he is really important.

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Speaker 1: There are one hundred and forty characters in League of Legends,

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Speaker 1: and Aaron went through every single one and he does

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we're and we are not League of Legends players,

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Speaker 2: But we're have been we've been mystified trying to figure

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Speaker 1: Jas, the hunky himbo who wanted war and now he's like, ah,

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Speaker 1: he's got survivors guilt due to sky dying because of

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Speaker 1: Caitlin and Vi ever get together crowd? And Jace wonders,

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Speaker 1: she let her get those famous gauntlets? And she said,

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Speaker 1: hex Techs may keep us alive, Jase, but it's not

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Speaker 1: what will save us. Junior Officer Maddy Nolan, another new

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Speaker 1: character for Arcane, finds Violet. Turns out Violet is a

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Speaker 2: It's nice to hear that that Caitlin has been talking

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Speaker 1: Which you know if you've seen the trailer, you've seen that.

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Speaker 1: Now he's in the team. So Mel holds a memorial

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Speaker 2: How is this possible when you've got like all your

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Speaker 1: my son, but come on, get are you're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: your stuff?

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Speaker 3: I want to I want to ask a question.

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Speaker 1: And I know that.

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Speaker 2: Listen, schats Aaron and a Boo. We've done a tremendous

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Speaker 2: job covering Arking season one. Check those episodes out. I

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Speaker 2: have a question for Rennie the chem Barren, why was

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Oh my god. I was trying to bring

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Speaker 1: I'm going into Zorn, I'm gonna locate Jinx, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: more successful than anyone else? Well, we've got a few

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Speaker 1: as we talk about Arcane Act one. And so let's

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Speaker 2: I want to ask one question that we don't need

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Speaker 1: Arcane Season two, Episode three, finally got the name right.

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Speaker 1: Using the Kiraman key, Caitlyn lends her family devised the

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Speaker 1: but it was just a reflection. You did not kill

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Speaker 1: your girlfriend's sister. Jinks appears behind Violet, and as Caitlyn

427
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: lines up a shot speaker ambushes her. Everyone in this

428
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: fight is out for blood. Great fight scene. Also, just

429
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: like a huge moment in slow mo, in this show,

430
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: you get the Jinks so much Lomo and also big

431
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: like jinks Vy moments. Here the wild Room reacts to

432
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: Jason or the hex Tech. Now we're back with them

433
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: and the weaponry short circuits, and we kind of get

434
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: these glimpses of what the Heck's tech could do and

435
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: what it shouldn't do, and it's very interesting. Caitlin blows

436
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: off Jinx's middle finger. I don't know if these family

437
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Dinners are going to be good in the future, and

438
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: Violet jumps on her, ready to finish her off. But Isha,

439
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: the little kid that Jinks save told you that kid

440
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: would be important, grabs a gun, gets in between Jinks

441
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: and Violet, and Caitlin fires a bullet to knock out

442
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: the gun, but v will not let Kate show shoot Jinks.

443
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: She says, for here fear of hitting Esha, but also

444
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: I think it's because that's your say. Jason's like, he's

445
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: just killer I.

446
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: Am how much more. Listen, no one wants to see

447
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: a little kid get shot. This is a kid with

448
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: a gun. That's pointing a gun at one of your

449
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: squad members. This is a kid with a gun protecting

450
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: the terrorist of this underworld that not only like murdered

451
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: the council in an unprecedented attack, but is part of

452
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: the group, you know, attached to the group that later

453
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 2: attacked the Memorial like and is up to no good

454
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: down here, planning on rerooting the ventilation.

455
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: Systems of the tunnels.

456
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: I cannot polluted piltover like and flooded with noxious chemicals

457
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: and drug air.

458
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: I know not. And guess what, Just take the shot.

459
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: Just Caitlin, your mom's dead too? Is that adding all

460
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: furity to you? I have Violet and Kate, they're not

461
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: It's not going well for them. Savika activates a propeller

462
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: gens jettinis in cat and via way and setting off

463
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: their plan and then we see and pilt over the

464
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: vents all explode with very colorful explosions. Is this the great?

465
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Is it a glitter bron pank? Is it shimmer? You

466
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: know what? We're not gonna find out right now because

467
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: we go back to Caitlin and Violet, and Caitlyn is like,

468
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: I never should have expected anything different from you. Like,

469
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: and then she hits over with the butt of the

470
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Speaker 1: gun in the stomach and Violet crying alone and the

471
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: kiss it's over. They kiss, and now they're broken up

472
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 1: and it's going to be bad for everyone. Mel And

473
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: and Laura have been spying on Sailo as well as

474
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of like, what wise, where's my brother gone? What's

475
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: going on with that? And a Laura is overcome with

476
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: the witch's magic and whispers Black Rose as Mel is

477
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: overtaken and disappears very interesting. She drops the cocktail lest

478
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: gave her good No shimmer for you. And then this

479
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: is the big moment at the end here, which kind

480
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: of sets up how this scene is going to end,

481
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: but also I would assume kind of teases how the

482
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: rest of room Terra will come into it. Sailo and

483
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: am Bessa meet with the remaining families of influence. She

484
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: beat him up and he bought the families there, and

485
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: am Bessa says, look Zorn night, assassin's killed. Amara. Wrath

486
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: must be met with wrath. She urges them to declare

487
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: martial law, and she and her Noxi and soldiers will

488
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: be at their disposal until all families are safe, and

489
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: then she's like, so we got to get a new leader.

490
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: And obviously Sailor's sitting up in his little chair and

491
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm ready, but me here we go go.

492
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: She's not talking about you, Sailoh, She's talking about Kaitlyn Kierman,

493
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: and this is her plan. From the beginning, we get

494
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: flashbacks of Ambassador and her troops. They're scheming, and by

495
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: the end of this even junior Officer Maddie Nolan is

496
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: pounding her chest with the idea of war, though interestingly,

497
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: our bearded vagrant shield guy is not having it and

498
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: walks away, which makes me think he has some kind

499
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: of history with Ambassador and Noxia. Anyway, very good, strong ending,

500
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: but it's not really the ending because we got to

501
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: go back to Singe. Do we hear heavy animal breathing.

502
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Blood is coursing through his vials into singed body, and

503
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: he's attached to some kind of massive creature suspended above him.

504
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: And that is the end of Act one of Arcade

505
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: season two. You will get the next season next week.

506
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Once a week, I mean the next act once a week,

507
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: so you have to wait another week. Jason, your feelings

508
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: about Kaye season two, Act one?

509
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: I think that they took it up a notch with

510
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: regards to the animation style. With regards to the action,

511
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: I might here's my one note, and while we'll discuss

512
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: this with the group as well, I think the pacing

513
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: is needs to be faster, in particular because due to

514
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: the outrageous costs over runs of production of this show,

515
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: we're only getting season two. See it's over after season two.

516
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: And I think the fact that it took three season

517
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: three episodes to open season two of debate about like

518
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: are we going to attacks on should we go to war?

519
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: About with Zon?

520
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: Are we going to go after.

521
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: Like two devast like incredibly devastating attacks that either on

522
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: their own would be enough to be like yes, then

523
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 2: the fucking troops and what are we waiting for?

524
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: Is crazy? It's I think.

525
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: I love all the side plots, but like those should

526
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: be pruned down, and just in general, like I feel

527
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: like we should have opened up season one Caitlin and

528
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: the Strikeforce and v are in the tunnels and we

529
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: start from there. It's just too much talking about doing

530
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: the thing. And this is where I feel like you

531
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: really feel that they must not have had a lot

532
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: of material written and ready to go when production ramped

533
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: back up, because this is just like a lot of

534
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: slow mo and needle drops and not.

535
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: Moving the ball forward story wise. Anyway, that's what I think.

536
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: What did you think, Crazy?

537
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: I know, I think you make some really good points.

538
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I love seeing this back on a screens. It's really

539
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: really beautiful. I love the will they won't live Caitlin

540
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: and I. I love Seat Jinks and Vie back together.

541
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think it's really interesting because seeing

542
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: as it is adapting a game that is not necessarily

543
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: a narrative heavy game in its game play, it does

544
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: end up almost feeling more like it's adapting like a campaign,

545
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: and that's why they're so much like talking and plotting,

546
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of more like your vox Markina or something like that.

547
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Very interesting, and let's call in our own seal team

548
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Kiss to discuss the events of Act one, Aaron.

549
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Your thoughts on Chapter one, Season two of

550
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: Arcane thus far.

551
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: I thought the ending of episode three was incredible and

552
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 5: one of almost maybe even better than I thought the

553
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: end of season one was. I loved the little twist

554
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 5: with Caitlin being, you know, in charge of everything. And

555
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: I'm a fan of the Wolf of Wall Street chest

556
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 5: pounding as much as the next guy, and so I

557
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: love seeing that with everyone. I did think the the

558
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: fake out post credit scene every episode was too much.

559
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: I totally could have had.

560
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: That so at exactly, I don't.

561
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 5: I didn't care enough about Singed from season one to

562
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 5: need an update on him every single episode, And if

563
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 5: they are building him up to be the big bad,

564
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 5: I needed more of him in season one. Also, along

565
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: the lines of what Jason was saying, maybe they didn't

566
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: know that they were going to do that with him,

567
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 5: and so now they're trying to make up for lost time. Yes,

568
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: and yeah, give us. I think what happens is they had.

569
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: Animatics and production material left over from season one, and

570
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: as production ramped up for season two late and delayed,

571
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: and they didn't have enough writing, what.

572
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: Are they gonna do? Throw that stuff away?

573
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: We needed to figure out a place for all this stuff,

574
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: and that's why you have this kind of hodgepodge, a

575
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: weirdly paced.

576
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: It makes a great point that originally the show was

577
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: set to be five seasons. Yeah, and then they had

578
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: to shrink it down to two. Now. I think at

579
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: first a lot of us were like, ooh, you're saying

580
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna end it off to two seasons. That feels

581
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: like a kind of brave creative choice where you obviously

582
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: know you're telling the perfect story. We now know that

583
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: that is obviously a production decision, so I think we

584
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: asked starting to feel a little bit of that. I

585
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: also want to say, though, I think if you loved

586
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: the first season of the show and you were just

587
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: vibing on it, and you love the music and you

588
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: love the vibes, I think you're just gonna love being

589
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: back in this world. I do think it's like a

590
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: very specific space, and I think if you are committed

591
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: to it, this second season does feel a little bit

592
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: less accessible than the first. Is like one of my

593
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: biggest critiques because I knew so many people who never

594
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: played Legal Legends, who don't watch animation, who loved the

595
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: first season of Arcane. I don't necessarily know if when

596
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: they jump into this second season unless they've rewatched it

597
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: and kept up with it, I don't know if it's

598
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: necessarily going to be as much as an easy jump in.

599
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 5: I do love the almost Game of Thrones esque treatment

600
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: of characters, where we have so many characters in the

601
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 5: show that we can start playing with the pairings, and

602
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: like you mentioned in the recap, I love love jas

603
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 5: Heimerdinger and Echo.

604
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: That feels like it's gonna be like a fan fave grouping.

605
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: I also love Jinx working with Sevika, like that relationship

606
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: changing from being so antagonistic to Jinx without even Sevika asking,

607
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 5: she just made her this new arm that, like you were.

608
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Saying, the standing that you have to like team up

609
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: with the people who are.

610
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 5: We relied so much on Silko and he's gone, What

611
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: do we do now we have no place in the

612
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 5: world kind of But like you mentioned the game, the

613
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 5: game has over one hundred and forty playable characters, and

614
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: as you kept mentioning, we have the Shield guy who

615
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 5: we still don't know who he is. We have Junior

616
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 5: Officer Maddie Nolan. We have the Navvi esque character of

617
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: Seal Team Kiss that we never get a name for.

618
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 5: There are so many characters from the game they could

619
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 5: be introducing, And if they actually want to make this

620
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 5: this big expanded universe where they're making other League of

621
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 5: Legend run Terra shows, wouldn't you want to be introducing

622
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: some of these one hundred and forty playable characters that

623
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 5: could be the leads of future shows.

624
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: You mentioned Game of Thrones, and I think that's an

625
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: important point to jump off to talk about the cost

626
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: of the show. A recent Variety article pegged the entire

627
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: cost of the show at something like two hundred and

628
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars, which is staggering.

629
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: That's most staggering an anime series of old time by

630
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: us a staggering long margin.

631
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: The first nine episodes of season one came in at

632
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: something like eighty million per The second batch of nine

633
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: for this season are coming in at one hundred million

634
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: per and so, and that's on top of Riot Game's

635
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: own sixty million of its own money that it put

636
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: into promoting the series, which is excellent and listen, and

637
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: that's clearly why they're ending after only two seasons of

638
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: a planned five. I'll just say that. I mean, we

639
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: mentioned it it up top all the needle drops. I

640
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: if you're looking for money to cut and.

641
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 3: This is a first time.

642
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: This is like the first project of this type for

643
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: Riot This is the first project of this type for

644
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: the French animation studio whose name I'm forgetting, So I

645
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: get it. There's a lot of like newcomer stuff here

646
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: that said, don't spend music licensing top dollar music licensing

647
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: money three and four times per episode, four and.

648
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: Always per episode.

649
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: You don't, Yeah, you don't need to do it three

650
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 2: four times per episode for artists that are that are

651
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: kind of expensive.

652
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: Like these are not like indie artists.

653
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: These are like mint tier artists that you're paying like

654
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: significant dollars for. And these are the kind of things

655
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: where I'm just frustrating because I.

656
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: Wish we were getting five seasons and not just two.

657
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: As we're ramping up to introduce a villain whose arc

658
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: is clearly going to be curtailed because we're only like

659
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: in the back six episodes of the entire story.

660
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will, I will say I agree with you.

661
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: I also think that for some viewers the music is

662
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: too much. We know that Joelle is definitely in that camp,

663
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: Nick is in the same cap Like that just just

664
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: does not do it for them. Now, I will say, I.

665
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: Like it, But how about cheaper artists, how about less

666
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: fine artists?

667
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: You know, get there, get them some exposure, pay them

668
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: like not a million dollars, a million dollars. I love

669
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: the one composer with an incredible score. But I will

670
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: say something that we are or we all have in

671
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: common here is we are all over the age of

672
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: twenty right now. And I'm just gonna say, my niece

673
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: is five and my nephew is ten, and all they

674
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: watch on YouTube are like edits of video games or movies,

675
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: and they're just set to popular songs. So in that way,

676
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: this is like trying to can I do it?

677
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: Can I come back equivalent?

678
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: No?

679
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: No, But the thing is on YouTube, nobody's paying the money.

680
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, But can I can I answer that? And I

681
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: do think this is a conversation we've had. I'd love

682
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: to get Aaron's take. It does clearly seem like season

683
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: two they're are aiming at a younger audience. And that said,

684
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: and and no disrespect to any of our like age

685
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: fifteen and younger fans that might be listening. But like

686
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: kids don't know what's good.

687
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: They'll watch, you know, like they don't know.

688
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: And it's one thing to like take the stylistic forms

689
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: of YouTube and other platforms and put that into and

690
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: use that to mold our cane. But like they don't

691
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: know a good top dollar music artist from like a

692
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: bottom door, Like they don't They simply don't, Like, you

693
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: don't have to make it that good. If that's what

694
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: you want to do, you don't have to spend that

695
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: much money.

696
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: That's true to do this that they watch are like

697
00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: really busted, like like yo, like nature kids breaking news.

698
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Jason Conception says, ohol kids have bad taste. They just don't.

699
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: They just don't know what they No one excites them,

700
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: but they don't know that exactly.

701
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 5: So Yeah, I do think someone is gonna make that

702
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 5: TikTok edit with the clips from the show set to

703
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 5: whatever's big budget name.

704
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: Musician are in your thoughts, your thoughts about the music

705
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: drops and the general costs and the disappointment of like

706
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: only having two seasons.

707
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 5: I mean, as a musician, I'm never opposed to musicians

708
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: getting paid as writers, performers, whatever. That more said, you

709
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 5: could have licensed the song from these artists instead of

710
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: asking them to write a piece specifically for the show

711
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 5: just to appear in the trailer.

712
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: Uh, like we haven't I was going to seen the scenes.

713
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Aaron. What was some of the artists

714
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: you were talking about who have recorded songs specifically for

715
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: the show that have yet to actually appear in the show.

716
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 5: So Ashnico does a song, uh the Around You Blue,

717
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: all Around You, very Jinx coded, like perfect match of things.

718
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 5: But you know, we could have had that maybe in

719
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: a Jink scene, but Jinx's character is so much darker

720
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 5: and more somber this season. We have not seen Jinks

721
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: like off the edge, like going crazy. And then also

722
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: we have this beautiful song that is sung by Cheryl

723
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 5: Lee Ralph, who you probably know from things like Sister

724
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 5: Act two or Moesha or potentially as Barbara in Aviod Elementary.

725
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 5: She's incredible, but she sings this song that like that

726
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: could have gone in any number of places in these

727
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 5: first three episodes, and instead we're getting like I couldn't.

728
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 5: There were a couple spots the music with Victor becoming Jesus,

729
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 5: like really two on the nose, We get it, We

730
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 5: know what you're referencing here. If we don't need like

731
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: these choiry strings of Jesus.

732
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: Anybody heard of Jesus?

733
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: You know? So you see just curing people.

734
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: Now, and they do have like a music video to

735
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 5: start every single episode so far, which felt like a lot.

736
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: And again this is to your point, this is not

737
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: existing songs that are licensed for this which is cheaper.

738
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: This is original music that has been created for this show,

739
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: sometimes with like songwriters.

740
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: I mean Sting is a songwriter on one of these.

741
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: This is like top dollar stuff that you're paying for

742
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: and it's three four times an episode.

743
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: It does scream like music video game exact. So will

744
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: like make sure that you get some sting in o Kane.

745
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: I really think the kids are gonna love Sting like,

746
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: which is anat song.

747
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 5: The Sting song is actually in season one, but also

748
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: season one has it had push a t on the soundtrack.

749
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 5: This is like a great collection of artists but.

750
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: Also huge names.

751
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: Oh and my other thing we talked about the pacing.

752
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: If you're gonna have these montage music videos at the

753
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 5: beginning of every episode, use that to tell us a

754
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 5: little story, get us like faster as opposed as opposed

755
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 5: to just here I am remembering my mom and hears uh,

756
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 5: you know the different art styles and yeah, so your

757
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 5: point on that, Like there's one of I think it's

758
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: the episode two video opener where it's like.

759
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: You see ken the pools water.

760
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's and then it morphs into this

761
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: uh you know music video execution telling us that now

762
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: Silko's like lieutenants are fighting each other.

763
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: And.

764
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, it just feels like a double beat

765
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: to me, Like we get it. We've just had the

766
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: conversation that, like the gangs are disunited. We had it

767
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: in episode one that they're going to be at each

768
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: other's next fighting for control of the lanes. We just

769
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: heard Jinks in the baptism scene where she's uh, you know,

770
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: mourning Silko saying that, like, these two big gangsters are

771
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: fighting for control of the lanes. We don't then need

772
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 2: an entire music video that like takes us through like oh,

773
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: Silko disappearing and now this person disappearing, and now these

774
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: two already and you know, like ready disappearing, and now

775
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: these two already each other's next.

776
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: Like we get it.

777
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: But again, I think this all comes back to the

778
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: fact that, as is reported in this Variety story that

779
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: after delays, they didn't have when they came back and

780
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: had production, they didn't have writing done. So they clearly

781
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: were having to tread water in a lot of different

782
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: areas and find reasons to include various different animations. And

783
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot of repeated beats that

784
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: could have just been beat out once you hit us

785
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: over the head with stuff.

786
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I think you make a good point. Also, I wonder

787
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: if this is that kind of that hard jump from

788
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: season one being so accessible and everyone like this is great.

789
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: I love how easy it is for me to jump

790
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: in to then trusting your audience enough in season two

791
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: to not necessarily do the same repeated beat stuff that

792
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: made it really easy to get into in season one.

793
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: But I still didn't find this. I think, like if

794
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: somebody was like just watching a random episode of this

795
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: with their friends, I still don't think this season is

796
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: particularly easy to get into. But those repeated beats are

797
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: like very very clear. Yeah, it definitely an editorial guy, No, no, no, this.

798
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: Is it's just the frustration of like, this show is

799
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: going to be over now it's.

800
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: Six episodes, and also it costs two hundred and fifty

801
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: million dollars plus.

802
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: You know, so we gotta get more for our money.

803
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and also this is you know, this is

804
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: that conversation as well of like is streaming sustainable? Like

805
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: people love TV shows that are on Netflix, and Netflix

806
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: are well known for occasionally they'll cancel, you know, a

807
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: popular show. That's something that's happened and I think that

808
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: these kind of conversation about budget and production stuff are

809
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: important because it's part of the context of the industry

810
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: and how and why these shows get made or don't

811
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: get made.

812
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

813
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: One more comment, because the two hundred and fifty million

814
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: figure that is in this Variety article, the exec who

815
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: is quoted in this article does not confirm that that

816
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: is indeed the number, which leads me to believe that

817
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: it's actually higher.

818
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: Higher. I did, I got higher. I got that too.

819
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So any closing thoughts.

820
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: Aaron Closing thoughts, I, having just rewatched all of season

821
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 5: one and really getting into it, I'm so happy that

822
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: it's back. When we get new stories after two three

823
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 5: years whatever it was between the end of season one

824
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 5: and season two. It's great to see things again, loving

825
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 5: the outfit changes for everyone, and we're getting advancement of

826
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 5: some of these storylines, albeit slowly. I'm excited to see

827
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: what the final six episodes are. But I do think

828
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 5: at the end of this I really love the high

829
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: at the end of episode three, but there was a

830
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: little bit of bumpy road to get there.

831
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Okay. Let me ask you both, what are

832
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: your biggest questions for like the next act, Like going

833
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: into the next act, what's the thing you most wanted?

834
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: Shield Guy?

835
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 5: Whose shield Guy?

836
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: What is hurricane?

837
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know arcane? What is the arcane? That's the

838
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: biggest question, I think, And also who is shield guy?

839
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: We need to know, guys.

840
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: I also want to know that I felt like I

841
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 5: was stupid. I rewatched the scene to make sure when

842
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 5: Jinx sets off the bombs and we get the colorful

843
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: smoke going into Piltover, I expected it to be the

844
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 5: gray and everyone just kind of kept different going, Yeah,

845
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 5: there didn't seem to be the gray, And I don't

846
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 5: know if it was just a warning shot and she's

847
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 5: gonna you know, like reverse the duct system later, but

848
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 5: why would you give that away?

849
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

850
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: That seemed to be an incredible visual moment that didn't

851
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: have a true story aspect yet I know I was like.

852
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: Is it meant to be Shima or a version of

853
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Shimmer and then she's gonna get That's.

854
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: What I thought.

855
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: I was wondering if it was like I was wondering

856
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: if it was like flavors of Shimmer, like you know,

857
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: like different Kem Barons factory Shimmer, factories like popping off

858
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: into Yeah, into piltover I. I same as you, Aaron.

859
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions about what comes next

860
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: with that particular plot. Well, that's it for today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on Extra Vision this Thursday, we're breaking down

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Speaker 2: the cinematic future of the DC universe. Then next week

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Speaker 2: we're you know, gonna rub a little dirt in our

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Speaker 2: hands and cress the wheat as we celebrate sword in

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Speaker 2: Sandals weeks starting with a Gladiator rewatch on Monday, two thousands,

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Speaker 2: Gladiator Arcane Season two, Act two on that Tuesday, and

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Speaker 2: then Extras returns with our reactions to the first episode

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Speaker 2: of Doune Prophecy on HBO.

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Speaker 3: Max, and much more.

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Speaker 1: Glad of your content.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode, Thanks for listening. X ray

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Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 2: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 2: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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Speaker 2: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 1: and Heidi Our Disco Moderata