1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: My guess as would be Reregment to Boston, Alonzo back 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: to the Mets, and Santander to Toronto. Toronto's gonna get 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: somebody eventually. Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory, 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the Happy New Year Edition. I hope everyone had a 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: great holiday, Alana, I hope you had a great holiday. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: We are rare and to go. We still got plenty 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: of off season left before spring training comes around right 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: around the corner. A lot of hell, I have about 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: six weeks. 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm great, Ken, good to be with you, Happy New Year, everybody. 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: Spring training will be upon us before we know it. 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: But before we look forward to twenty twenty five, don't 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: forget to check out the episode that Ken and I 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: did last week, the ode to twenty and twenty four. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: But Ken, there's still so much to talk about as 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: far as the storylines are concerned. How about the fact 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: that the NL West is now a lot better if 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 2: you're the Arizona Diamondbacks, because that rotation is pretty dang 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: strong with the addition of Corbyn Burns. 20 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Alana and we will dive into this. It's always 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: interesting to me every off season it seems we get 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: at least one signing or one trade that comes seemingly 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. And I talk about this all the time. 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: I tell people, listen, there's something that's going to happen. 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna give us whiplash. And fans will say, oh, 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: can you guys with your mystery teams. You're bidding for 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: the agent, you're doing the no no, no, no. This 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: actually happens, and it especially happens, it seems with the 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Arizona Diamondbacks every few years. If you go back, it's 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: nine years now. Zach Greenk. That was a bolt of 31 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: lightning out of nowhere. Here it is December twenty fifteen. 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Zach Greenky six years, two hundred and six point five million, 33 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: a record contract at the time for a pitcher. He 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: gets traded twenty nineteen, but he pitched well for the Diamondbacks. 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: They ultimately decided they wanted to get rid of the 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: money they made. Actually a bad trade. Josh Rojas, who 37 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: just signed with the White Sox, is the best player 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: they got back in that deal. It didn't work out. 39 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: December twenty nineteen, Madison Bumgarner. This too was a surprise, 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: maybe not as big as a surprise as greanky, but 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: certainly a stunner five years eighty five million. That one 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: did not work out. He was released in April of 43 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and now five years after Bumgarner, nine 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: years after greenk we have this stunner of assigning Corbyn 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: Burns six years, two hundred and ten million. Now, as 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: you heard in the initial explanations, it makes a lot 47 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: of sense because Burns lives in the Phoenix area, his 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: wife just had twins. This was right around the All 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Star break, and he wants to be settled in his 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: home where he lives. And it's understandable and clearly to 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: me he had an interest in pitching for the Diamondbacks 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: that none of us was aware of really the entire offseason, 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: and none of us also was aware that the Diamondbacks 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: had this kind of money to spend. Now, maybe the 55 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: opportunity presented itself to them, Alana, and yes, at that 56 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: point they said, let's go get Corbyn Burns. When you 57 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: look at their rotation going forward, it's really good. This year, 58 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. It's loaded, and we'll take 59 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: a look at that. But next year, see Zach Gallon 60 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: and Meryl Kelly they're eligible for free agency. This is 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: their walk here, so Corbyn Burns kind of insulates them 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: against the possible departures of Gallen and Kelly. And there 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: are seven good names there. Now we've heard all off 64 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: season Alan and they want to trade Montgomery. I would 65 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: think they'd want to trade Montgomery still, even more so, 66 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that you'd want to trade anyone else. 67 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: But they have the flexibility now to do some things 68 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: if they choose to ken. 69 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: When I say flexibility, when I hear you say flexibility, 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: I think of payroll flexibility for the Arizona Diamondbacks, and 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: perhaps that's the case with signing Corbyn Burns if in 72 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: fact they do think that they want to get Zack 73 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: Gallen off of the payroll if they don't want to 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: extend him in the walk here. Same thing with Merrill Kelly. 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: We know the situation with Jordan Montgomery, but when I 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: also think about Madison Bumgardner going there and Zach Granke 77 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: going there, it wasn't necessarily the best fit. Particularly with Bumgardner. 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: They ended up releasing him in twenty twenty three. In 79 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: your estimation, why would this be a good signing long term? 80 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: What do you think Burns needs to do for the 81 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: Arizona Diamondbacks over the course of that contract to make 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: it seem like the six years two ten was worth it. 83 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Great question, and we should mention, of course, Alana, he 84 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: hasn't opt out after two years, so it's not necessarily 85 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: six years. And there was some concern last year and 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: into the offseason about his declining strikeout rates. That's definitely 87 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: been a thing with him, but it seemed like in 88 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: the final month month and a half of the season 89 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: that Cutter came back and while his strikeouts might not 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: be what they were, he pitched the way Corbyn Burns 91 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: is known for pitching and looked really good, So he 92 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: has to be good for them. That's what they want obviously. 93 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Gallon and Kelly. It's really interesting there too. 94 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: Because Gallen is represented by Scott Boris, as is Corbyn Burns. 95 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: You expect Gallen to go to the market. Merril Kelly 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: is not represented by Scott Boris. Perhaps you have a 97 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: better chance with an extension there, But at the same time, 98 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: given when starting pitchers have commanded this offseason, I would 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: think Merril Kelly wants to go to the market too, 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: or at least explore what might be out there. So again, 101 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: this move kind of protects them over the next couple 102 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: of years. And then if they haven't opt out with Burns, 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: it's because he pitched well, so that would be a 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: good outcome in a sense. I do believe that Corbyn 105 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Burns will still be a top caliber pitcher despite the 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: declining strikeout rates and some other alarming signs. He's not 107 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: greted holding runners. We know that, but he's still an 108 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: elite pitcher and for that reason this team this year. 109 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me too. Here they're not conceding to 110 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: the Dodgers Alana. They're saying we're gonna try and granted 111 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: the wildcard. The three wildcards opens up possibilities that didn't 112 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: exist I don't know five years ago, but it's interesting 113 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: again that they are willing to spend at a time 114 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: when that division is owned by the Los Angeles. 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: Dodgers and Ken Not for nothing, Corbyn Burns doesn't need 116 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: to be the guy he was in his psy young 117 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: year because he has a great rotation around him. It's 118 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: almost as if with the Orioles he had to be 119 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: the guy with the injuries to the other arms in 120 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: the Oriels rotation. He has a heck of a group 121 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 2: around him as well. Let's talk about the NL West 122 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: though as a whole. As far as starting arms go, 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: do you think now, with the addition of Corbin Burns, 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: that the Diamondbacks perhaps have the best rotation starting rotation 125 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: in the division. 126 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: This is a great question, and it will play out obviously. 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: Now some of this depends on where Sasaki ends up. 128 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: If Sasaki ends up with the Dodgers, maybe then at 129 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: that point you say, hands down, the Dodgers are going 130 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: to have the best rotation, even though he has done 131 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: nothing on this continent and we don't know how he 132 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: will fare in his initial year. But the Dodgers with 133 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: Otani and Yamamoto and Snell and May and Gonsolin coming back, 134 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: it's still pretty good. So I would still say the Dodgers, 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: But you know what, it's close, and maybe in a 136 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: projection system. I haven't really looked yet to see how 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: they project a projection system might favor the diamond Back. 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I believe that with Otani, Yamamoto and 139 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: Snell that's a pretty top three that it's going to 140 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: be really formidable. But you can make the same case 141 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: for Burns, Gowan and Kelly. So it's a really good 142 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: competition between these teams and it's going to be fun 143 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: to watch this NL West play out because the Giants 144 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: aren't done yet either. I expect they're going to add 145 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: one more starter. They were, of course, the team that 146 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: we all thought Burns wanted to go to. Remember we 147 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: all talked about him wanting to go back to the West. 148 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: He did go back to the West, he just didn't 149 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: go to the Giants and he. 150 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: Didn't go to the West coast back in Arizona. He's 151 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: in at the desert. Good for him. Don't forget glasnow 152 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: and that Dodger starting rotation as well. Ken. But let's 153 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: talk about another guy that everybody wants to know where 154 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: he ends up, and that's Ropi Sasaki. First, Blake Snell goes, 155 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: then Corbyn Burns goes. Where does Sasaki end up? What's 156 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: the latest there? 157 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: We don't know, and that's the honest answer. The one 158 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: thing we do know is he's going to sign. As 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: his agent Joe Wolf said, between January fifteenth and the 160 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: deadline the twenty third, he's not going to sign right 161 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: when he is eligible. On the fifteenth, Wolf has said that, 162 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: and we know the teams that are interested. It's the Mets, 163 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Cubs, the Padres, the Rangers. 164 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: Those are the teams that seem to be most prominently 165 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: in the mix. I wouldn't rule out some others necessarily 166 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: because in this case, with a top salary of only 167 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: seven million in the international bonus pool, any team can 168 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: participate and perhaps convince Sasaki to come. So I don't 169 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: know how this is going to end up in Anyone 170 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: who gets on X or Instagram or any other social 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: media account and says they know where this cat is going, 172 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: they don't, So we will find out. The Dodgers and 173 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: Padres have been mentioned quite prominently from the beginning. It's understandable. 174 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: The Dodgers with their strong Japanese presence, and of course 175 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 1: the Padres with you Darvish, who is like the godfather 176 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: of Japanese pitchers. They are two teams that definitely would 177 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: be logically landing spots for or Sasaki. But the other 178 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: teams we mentioned too might be just as logical. We'll 179 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: find out when he makes his decision. 180 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: Ken, what do you read into the fact that some 181 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: teams didn't actually have physical meetings with Roki Sasaki. Does 182 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: that mean that they're automatically out perhaps a Phillies team 183 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: or a Red Sox team that didn't have a face 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: to face Do you read much into that? 185 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: I read a little bit into it, because if they 186 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: were that heavily into this in Sasaki's mind, I would 187 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: think he would have met with them already. Now there's 188 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: nothing to say he can't meet with one of those 189 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: two teams or any other team in the next thirteen 190 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: days before January fifteenth, or even after that. But it 191 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: seems that so far they've taken meetings with who they've 192 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: wanted to take meetings with, and those two teams have 193 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: not been in there to this point. So it remains 194 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: to be seen whether any team besides the ones that 195 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: we mentioned can get into this mix. I'm sure there 196 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: are teams trying, but it's Sasaki's call and it's where 197 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: he wants to go. We know that he wants a 198 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: strong pitching development program, and we know that he isn't 199 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: necessarily bound to a large market, at least that's according 200 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: to his agent again, Joel Wolf of Wasserman, But we 201 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: don't know much else, and ultimately this decision. He'll make it, 202 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: and then he'll explain it, and then we'll have an 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: idea of why he made the decision he. 204 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: Did, all right, So Slaki holding the cards right now. 205 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: As far as the pitching prospects are concerned, Let's talk 206 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: about the free agents on the position player side, and 207 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: we can talk about Jack Flaherty a little bit, but 208 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: specifically on the position player side. Ken Alex Bregman is 209 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: still out there. Pete Alonzo, of course, is still out there. 210 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: Doesn't look like a Mets reunion. Is likely Anthony Santander, 211 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: So the Orioles losing Corbyn Burns doesn't look like Santander's 212 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: going back there. What do you think is the next 213 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: domino to fall? Is it Alex Bregman a Boris client? 214 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: Is it Santander? Is it Pete Alonzo? What are you hearing? 215 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, And logically right now, if you had 216 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: to guess, my guess as would be Bregman to Boss, 217 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: Alonzo back to the Mets, and Santan Derek to Toronto. 218 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: Toronto's gonna get somebody eventually. But again, as we've seen 219 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: with the Corbyn Burns signing, surprises do happen, especially when 220 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: guys linger on the market, and you don't really know 221 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: how it's going to turn out. Bregman to the Red Sox, 222 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: to me, is a move that seems very logical. They 223 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: need a right handed bat, they've needed that since the 224 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: well really since last season, and Bregman can play second 225 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: base for them, or they can play him a third 226 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: and move Devers over to first, or DH him and 227 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: have him in some combination with casts. But it seems 228 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: that second base is the more logical destination for Bregman 229 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: if he goes there again, makes total sense, Alonso, I 230 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: just don't see a spot other than the Mets, other 231 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: than a team that he's been with really his entire career. 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: That said, maybe someone else jumps out, maybe the Mets 233 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: hold tight on a shorter term offer with a high AAV. 234 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. And Santander we all thought and it 235 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: turned out this way. Of course, Alana over the break 236 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: that ta Oscar was going back to the Dodgers and 237 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: that left Santander as the next outfielder available. Now, he's 238 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: an interesting guy. We've talked about him. Forty four homers 239 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: last year. That is rare power. We don't see that 240 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: often in today's game, especially from a switch hitter. But 241 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: the on base is not great, the base running is 242 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: not great. The defense is okay but not great. So 243 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: he's a little bit different in that regard to Taskar's 244 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: similar in some respects. He runs better, but he don't 245 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: play great defense. So Santander is going to be okay. 246 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: I would expect, but I'm not sure exactly where. And 247 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: certainly Toronto again, even for Bregman. You have to keep 248 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: them in mind because we've heard all off season, and 249 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: we've thought all off season they're desperate to spend. I 250 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: believe that, and we've kind of seen that and their actions. 251 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: They just haven't landed anyone yet. They're going to land 252 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: somewhat eventually. 253 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: A couple things here when we circle back to what 254 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: you were just saying. Can let's go back to Allex 255 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: bregmant for a moment. Why do you think Bregman's a 256 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: better fit You had mentioned the right handed bat, of course, 257 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: Why a better fit for Boston versus the Tigers. 258 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: Oh, he's a great fit for the Tigers, and I 259 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: just don't expect the Tigers to spend. And Scott Harris, 260 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: since he has taken over as GM, I believe his 261 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: biggest contract for a free agent is twenty four million 262 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: something like that. It's low, and the signings that they've 263 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: had so far both one year, fifteen million Alex Cobb 264 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: and Glaber Torres. Now it makes sense to me that 265 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: they would go big for an Alex Bregman right now. 266 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: And I know they've got young players coming. They've got 267 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: Young's younger brother, Jase Young, coming at third base, but 268 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman is an established player. And if you add talent, 269 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: then you have a surplus of talent and you can 270 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: trade talent for other needs. That shouldn't be something that's 271 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: prohibitive to the Tigers, But their owner, Chris Ilich, who 272 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: is the son of Mike Iilich, does not operate the 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: way Mike Gilich once did. I Killic spent and he's 274 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: spent big. It's almost comparable to the Yankees with hol 275 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Steinbrenner versus George Steinbrenner and Scott Harris seems to be 276 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: the right kind of head of baseball operations for such 277 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: an owner because he wants to keep those paths open 278 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: for younger players. Now they just block Torklsen a little bit, 279 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: but Torkolsen hasn't produced, so they're going to play cold. 280 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Keith at first, labor Torres at second. Torkolsen is in 281 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: kind of no man's land. But some of these other 282 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: young players, they want to keep the paths clear and 283 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: they want to keep building. To me, you sign an 284 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: Alex Regman, it kind of stabilizes the whole thing. I 285 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: just don't expect them to do that. I've been surprised before. 286 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: I just don't see it based on their previous actions. 287 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: All right, don't expect them to spend really quickly before 288 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: we move on to some of the disappointments so far 289 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: in this off season period. If Pete goes back to 290 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: Pete Alonza rather goes back to New York, is it 291 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: because he goes back at a discount that he's willing 292 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: to take Ken, Because it seems like they're pretty far 293 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: apart in terms of terms. 294 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: It does years seem to be the problem. And David Stearns, 295 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: as a president of Baseball Operations is a guy that 296 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: we have seen certainly does not like to go long 297 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: term with pitchers and position players entering their thirties. He 298 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: seems to have the same opinion of and you can 299 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: understand it. In Alonzo's case, he's not the most athletic guy. 300 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: He's someone that in a couple of years might be 301 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: more of a dh What we've seen from Stearns is 302 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: he loves younger guys. He loves Soto, he wanted Yamamoto. 303 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: Those were the younger free agents in the last two classes. 304 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Alonzo doesn't really fit that, and they can certainly do 305 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: other things and supplement first base. They can move Viento's 306 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: there if they want, and get a third baseman. There 307 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: are all kinds of ways to go about it without 308 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: committing long term to Pete Alonso. The way I see 309 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: this playing out, the way it makes most sense to me, 310 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: would be short term high dollars. So say three years, 311 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: ninety million that's been out there as a possibility. That's 312 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: a lot of money. That's the highest aav ever for 313 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: a first base by a good amount, and it would 314 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: give pe Alonso that distinction. He also could get an 315 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: opt out maybe and try again to hit the market. 316 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: So it just seems to me Alana that he is 317 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: someone that is established there, he has proven himself there 318 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: and while yes he's not a perfect player, no one is. 319 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: He should be in New York. Met I said that 320 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: on Fox I believe going back in July and I 321 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: still believe it he should be a Met. Yes, there 322 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: are issues that you can anticipate over the years to come, 323 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: but you know what, that kind of power we just 324 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: talked about, Santandre Alonzo power is rare too, no. 325 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: Doubt about it. And certainly the Mets aren't averse to spending. 326 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: We've seen that, of course with the Wan Sodo signing. 327 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: But can there have been some teams this offseason that 328 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: have done very little as far as making any sort 329 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: of moves, not only on the free agent market, but 330 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: also in the trade pool as well. A little surprising 331 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: as far as you know, Minnesota San Diego, which is 332 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: always in the mix of things with aj Peller, Seattle 333 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: with Jerry Depoto, they're kind of always chomping at the 334 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: bit to make moves, as well as Saint Louis, and 335 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: even Baltimore hasn't done much. What do you make of 336 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: those five teams in particular, Let's start with the Twins. 337 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: They're all different, and the Twins certainly have been bitten 338 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: by the local TV issue that they faced. At the 339 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: same time, their fans believe that their owners should spend 340 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: regardless of what is going on, that the TV thing 341 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: will straighten out, and that this is this year's excuse 342 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: and last year's excuse, and that when you have a 343 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: team built around stars Korea, Buxton, Pablo Lopez, you should 344 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: be going for it, especially in a division that has 345 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: lower payroll teams. Let's face it, Cleveland's really good, Detroit's 346 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: really good, but they're not spending at least to this point. 347 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: So that is the beef with Minnesota, and I can 348 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: see it from a fans perspective, definitely see it. It's 349 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: frustrating because they have a team that is capable of 350 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: being a playoff team, no question about it. Now. The 351 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: Padres and the Mariners mentioned this to me off Aralana. 352 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: They're run by guys who usually are spending or making 353 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: moves left and right. That's Jerry Depoto and Seattle and 354 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: aj Preller and San Diego. Both of them seem to 355 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: be operating under financial restrictions as well. And we saw 356 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: the Mariners make a big run at Carlos Santana. I 357 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: reported this right before Christmas time. They actually had the 358 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: highest bid, but he wanted to go back to Cleveland. 359 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: That was that they don't seem to have a lot 360 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: of money to spend. Again, the TV issue compounded with 361 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: ownership not wanting to go and extend itself. San Diego 362 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: is a little bit different because of the death of 363 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: Peter Sidler. They're kind of in an ownership transition. They're 364 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: in a little bit of a funny place, and it 365 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: seems that Aj Preller might have to move pieces to 366 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: add other pieces. There's been talk of a dylan CI's trade. 367 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: There has been talk of Luis Aria's trade. I don't 368 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: know how Preller is going to get out of this. 369 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how to Poto is going to get 370 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: out of this, but I expect them to at least 371 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: try to do some things creatively, because that's who who 372 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: they are, that's what they've always been, that's who they 373 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: operate as, and I just see them doing something. It's 374 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: odd to me that those two teams have not spent 375 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: a single dollar in free agency yet, and yet that 376 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: obviously is the reason ownership putting the clamps on. Now, 377 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: the Orioles, they're another team that they're different than the 378 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: ones we just mentioned. They have done some things. They've 379 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: signed Tyler O'Neill. They've signed Gary Sanchez, They've signed Sigano, 380 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: the Japanese pitcher. They still need a number one or 381 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: a number two or three. It's somebody at the top 382 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: of the rotation or the front of the rotation, and 383 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: they haven't done that now. I never expected them to 384 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: sign Burns, even with the new owner. That was kind 385 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: of a pipe dream with a team of their market size. 386 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: But here they are. And you mentioned Flaherty. He's still 387 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: out there. Paveta is still out there, but as a 388 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: qualifying offer would cost them a draft pick. You can 389 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: possibly trade for Dylan Ceas, but that's the same path 390 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: you took last year with Corbyn Burns, trading for a 391 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: one year's scot Wars client, and you're gonna lose them. 392 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly how they play this. Maybe 393 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: Louis Castillo, maybe that's the move for the Mariners. They 394 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: clear money by trading Louis Castillo, get a young bat 395 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: from Baltimore, and then do some other things. That's a possibility. 396 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I will say this, they are 397 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: at least to some degree under scrutiny here and under 398 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: the gun. They need to do some things Ken. 399 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: To me, the biggest one that is a conundrum is 400 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals. This is a team that has 401 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: so much history and has that Cardinal way, as they 402 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: always used to say, what is this team doing, particularly 403 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: with Arnatto. 404 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: Well, what they're doing is going backwards, and they will say, well, 405 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: we're just kind of going sideways and not going all 406 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: out this year. But Katie Wu of the Athletic right 407 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: before the end of the year also of Cardinals territory, 408 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: I believe that's what the show is called. Katie wrote 409 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: an extensive story about how the Cardinals' farm system had 410 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: kind of deteriorated, how they had not invested in it 411 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: the way that they had previously, and that is what 412 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: they are trying to do now. They're in a transition 413 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: John Mesailac, this is his last year before Hyin Bloom 414 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: takes over. They want to see what they have in 415 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: their younger players and want to at the same time 416 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: build their infrastructure and get back to where they were now. 417 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: Ornato why he is a logical trade candidate in this 418 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: scenario is because obviously it could help them clear money, 419 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: and it would also clear playing time at third base 420 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: for some of their younger players, they can do some 421 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: different things there. So they are in an odd spot 422 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: for the Saint Louis Cardinals, but it's a spot that 423 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: perhaps they needed to get to because they have kind 424 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: of let the farm system go a little bit and 425 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: that's something they need to fix. That's something that they've 426 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: always been so good with and it just hasn't been 427 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: the case in recent years. They've had a lower number 428 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: of instructors than other teams and that's not what the 429 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals have been about, and they are trying to get 430 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: back to that at the expense, yes of the major 431 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: league club this year. 432 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: A lot to think about. And there's a lot of 433 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: people out there, Ken watching our show right now and listening. 434 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions for you. So let's 435 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: get to Grill and Ken. All right, we appreciate everybody 436 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: participating here. We actually have a super chat regarding the Pirates, 437 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: and my guess is when it comes to the Pirates, 438 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: we're talking about Paul Skins. And that's what exactly Daniel 439 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: Rothenberg wants to know. Well, the Pirates do anything, don't 440 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: waste Paul Skins. Let's surround him with a good team. Ken, 441 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: is what Daniel's saying, well. 442 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: I guess Daniel's not happy alone with Spencer Horwitz. That's 443 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: not enough for him, and it shouldn't be enough for him. 444 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: Of course, Yes, the Pirates do need to do some 445 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: things now. The only thing I'll say not in their defense, 446 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: because I'm not going to defend them. But there are 447 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: plenty of players still available, and there are some free 448 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: agent bargains that are going to emerge simply because of 449 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: the supply and demand issue. But do they ever get 450 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: involved with the bigger players. No, it seems that they don't. 451 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: And Christian Walker was a guy that maybe if they 452 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: had overpaid for they could have gotten. Right, he signed 453 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: for three years sixty Maybe he didn't want to go 454 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. I get it, Houston's a better or more 455 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: competitive team, But the Pirates don't even play in this pool. 456 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: From what we can tell that bothers me and what 457 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: Daniel is saying is absolutely right. Skeens is only going 458 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: to be there so long. They've got what four years 459 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: left of him, and from that perspective, you need to 460 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: get going. And with Bob Nutting as their owner, they 461 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: never seem to get going. 462 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about that, let's talk about the Tampa 463 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: Bay Rays for a moment. Obviously a team with a 464 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 2: lot of question marks, primarily where the heck are they 465 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: going to play and how long is it going to 466 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: be before they get a new ballpark? But let's talk 467 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: about what Sprucy Underscore eleven wants to know. How available 468 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: has Diaz with the Rays been? Are the Rays trying 469 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: to actively shop the right handed first baseman. 470 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: It's an interesting question because the definition of shopping and 471 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: listening or they get murky. Teams will always say we're 472 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: not shopping this player, but we'll listen. Well, maybe you 473 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: are shopping him and you don't want to admit that. 474 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe the Rays are shopping Diaz or Brandon Law. 475 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Now would they trade them for the right package, Yes, 476 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: they would, because these guys are they're more higher paid players. 477 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: At the same time, they need offense and those are 478 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: two of their better offensive players. And with a team 479 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: that they have coming back, it's going to be quite competitive. 480 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: In my estimation, mcclanahan's coming back, Shambos, coming back, Rasmussen 481 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: is going to be back to some degree, and while 482 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: they've traded Springs, they still have a lot there Zach 483 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: Lettel is back at least right now, So I don't 484 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: know that the Rays are going to do something unless, 485 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: as they always do, see something that will make them 486 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: better short term and long term, especially long term. Diaz 487 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: has been out there, Law has been out there, but 488 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: I just don't know that either is going to happen. 489 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: All right, So for now YONDI Diaz will remain a 490 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 2: member of the Tampa Bay Rays. Next question here on 491 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: Grill and Ken involves the Clayton Kershaw of the Los 492 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: Angeles Dodgers, obviously not signed by the Dodgers, but will 493 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: probably finish his career with the Dodgers. Jackson wants to 494 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: know if he is an elephant in the room. Do 495 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: the Dodgers wish Kershaw would go enjoy his garden? 496 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I don't see it that way, and I 497 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: don't believe the Dodgers see it that way. Granted, Clayton 498 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Kershaw is not what he was. He is someone who 499 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: has had a variety of physical problems in the last 500 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: few years. But when he's healthy at times he can 501 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: be a real contributor. And the Dodgers the way they're 502 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: going to structure their rotations year and I'm glad you 503 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: corrected me and mentioned Glass now who I'd forgotten Alana, 504 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: But he is kind of symbolic of where they are. 505 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't pitch all the time. Ya Imamoto needs extra rest. 506 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: The two guys coming off surgery's man Gonsolin, they're not 507 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: going to be full strength. Oh Tony is coming off 508 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: a major elbow operation. He's not going to be giving 509 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: you two hundred innings. So you add Kurshow to that mix, 510 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have an expectation of him pitching fifty innings, 511 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: but you'd have an expectation that maybe he can give 512 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: you one hundred or one hundred and twenty. And the 513 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: way that they are set up, that might be good 514 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: enough or it would be good enough. And I would 515 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: imagine they would welcome that. They're not going to Chase 516 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw out or anything like that. And I don't 517 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: know that they want him in his garden. They want 518 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: him in Dodger Stadium. 519 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't question that at all, And I would 520 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: imagine that they're looking for Kershop perhaps in the second 521 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: half of the season, because goodness knows, as the Dodgers 522 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: do that injuries can play a huge role in terms 523 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: of who they need in the second half of the season. 524 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: All Right, a couple more questions here on Grill and Ken. 525 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: Our next question involves the Cincinnati Reds. Noah Wells wants 526 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: to say, I please ask that we talk about the Reds. 527 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: Please. 528 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: All right, Noah, we your wish is our command. Ken 529 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: talk Reds go. 530 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: They made the one trade India for Brady Singer and 531 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: they haven't done much else. They are another team. We 532 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: didn't talk about them initially, Alana when we talked about 533 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: those teams that have been inactive. But they're another team 534 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: with budgetary, financial payroll limitations. And again you can blame 535 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: the owner. It's always going to come back to the owner. 536 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: The TV thing is a factor. There's no doubt about that. 537 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: They are in a place right now where maybe they 538 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: have one big move in them, but I don't see it. 539 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: At the winter meetings, I was kind of hearing some 540 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: things about them, and I checked into it, and the 541 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: Reds people were like, we're not doing something that big. 542 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: So maybe if someone's price dropped. Santander is a guy 543 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: perhaps that could fit there, but I don't know. I 544 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: don't see them doing anything that dramatic now. Of course, 545 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: watch what will happen. They'll sign somebody for a huge 546 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: dollars today. 547 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I tell you what, Noah Wells would 548 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: be incredibly excited about the Red signing a big signing. 549 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: All right, So this is our last question here on 550 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 2: Grill and Ken. This is a super chat. We appreciate 551 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: this from Vinnie ian Ellie. It's almost like my last name. 552 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: Who do you think the Mets will sign the next 553 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: signing is? And is Jack Flaherty in your opinion? Ken, 554 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: we're doing a two for one here for Vinnie. Is 555 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: Jack a good fit for the Mets? As far as 556 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 2: the next signing? 557 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: The Mets do need more in their rotation. And there 558 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: was an interesting tweet last night. I believe i MLB 559 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: executive Burner. We know who that guy is, or we 560 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: don't know who that guy is, but we know what 561 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: he does on Twitter and he said the Mets have 562 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: the fourth best rotation in the analyst. That to me 563 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: is a bit of a stretch. I don't see it 564 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: quite like that. But their rotation still could use one more, 565 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: perhaps maybe an innings guy, just some depth, something to 566 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: give them a little bit more there. It's not a 567 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: dominant group, at least on paper, it could be I 568 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: guess if things come together. But they're banking on Mania 569 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: being as good as he was last year, Senga coming 570 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: back and being an ace type pitcher. They're banking on 571 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: a lot Mantas, all these different things. Now, the other 572 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: move that we're of course all anticipating and waiting for 573 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: is Alonso and whether that happens or whether they go 574 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: out and they could do this sign Bregman and move 575 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: Vantos to first, something that's certainly would be reasonable for them. 576 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly what's going to happen. I 577 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: would expect them to address both of those areas, starting 578 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: pitching and corner infield. 579 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: I had a lot of really great questions today and 580 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: there's still so many to get to. We can't get 581 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: them today, but we'll get them with Ken on Monday 582 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: and perhaps next Thursday. 583 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: Ken. 584 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: Always great to be with you. Thanks so much, Happy 585 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: New Year. We'll see us soon. Before we go, everybody, 586 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: let's shout out our friends at BETMGM. It's the BETMGM 587 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: First Bet fifteen hundred dollars offer when you use the 588 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: bonus code foul Get this offer when you download the 589 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: betmgmsportsbook app or at betmgm dot com. Sign up, enter 590 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: that bonus code foul and deposit at least ten dollars 591 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: into your new account. 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