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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Stealer Nation, and welcome back inside the beautiful

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Speaker 2: built Moore in Phoenix, Arizona. It is the Drive. Wes

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Speaker 2: Shuler and Matt Williamson with you here for the next

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Speaker 2: three hours on this Monday as things are really picking

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Speaker 2: up here at little different than you this. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure most of most of our listeners have heard

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Speaker 2: us talk about this a couple of times, but if

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Speaker 2: you haven't, Matt has done this a few times.

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Speaker 3: This is my fourth or fifth I was gonna say,

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Speaker 3: not as second time in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Not as extensive as you know all the times you've

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Speaker 2: been to the Combine and things like that, but you

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Speaker 2: have you have done this annual league meetings a few times.

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Speaker 2: This was my first time. Yesterday we were here, Matt

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Speaker 2: for our first show, and it was like us in

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Speaker 2: the New York Jets were the only people here, and

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Speaker 2: it was quiet. They didn't even have.

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Speaker 3: It was an empty Texans booth door or left, yeah, yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: The media room I think had maybe three or four

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Speaker 2: people in it. Now it's got thirty or forty. We

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Speaker 2: had to struggle just to get waters and coffee yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Now there's food and beverages everywhere around this place, so

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Speaker 2: it's really picking up today.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't complain, but yesterday I kind of forgot. I

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Speaker 3: made a rookie move and I'm like, I eat like

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Speaker 3: a small breakfast bar before we came over. But we

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Speaker 3: started later and it come over. I'm like, I figured

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Speaker 3: there'll be a ton of food and coffee. I'll be fine. Nothing, nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 2: Matt had to like steal a cup of coffee and

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Speaker 2: guy got yelled at it.

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Speaker 3: I frankly stole it. Yeah, I snuck in somewhere. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to. Didn't realize I was doing something illegal,

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Speaker 3: but I did get a cup of coffee, went home

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Speaker 3: and just feasted. I was starving. Today is quite the opposite.

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Speaker 3: And frankly, these I mean people watching on YouTube might

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Speaker 3: bustle and the other people that you're gonna hear walking by.

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Speaker 3: And you know, this hallway was pretty quiet yesterday, and

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Speaker 3: everyone's setting up all the stuff behind us, and we

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Speaker 3: walk in here and there's an awesome breakfast and if

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Speaker 3: On network in ESPN, and all these places are set

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Speaker 3: up broadcasting right next to us.

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Speaker 2: And Shutter and Florio and all.

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Speaker 3: These people right behind us, and right in front of

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Speaker 3: us is uh salon number four there. It had all

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Speaker 3: the NFC coaches. When we came out from breakfast, they

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Speaker 3: were all rushing out and they're everywhere. It's great. It's

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a pretty cool environment.

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Speaker 2: And a certain host on this show might have bumped

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Speaker 2: into John Harbaugh in his in his Giants gear and

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Speaker 2: he goes, ah, Steelers, you know, you guys are a

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Speaker 2: little bit better with me now. It's all right, have

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Speaker 2: fun in there. But yeah, so it's uh, it was.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because you the.

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Speaker 3: Coaches are having a good time. It's pretty relaxed.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned last year how you and Dale talked to

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh for a few minutes that he's just he just

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Speaker 2: must be a friendly guy because he saw my Steelers Pellow.

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Speaker 2: We almost bumped into each other walking in. He was like,

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Speaker 2: could be friends. Now I'm in New York. Uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is. It is certainly certainly picked up here today

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Speaker 2: and expect that to continue to for the next few days.

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Speaker 2: NFC head coaches spoke today at their annual breakfast. AFC

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Speaker 2: coaches will speak tomorrow. Some gms have spoken here today

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Speaker 2: and that will continue tomorrow as well. So, Matt, as

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Speaker 2: we like to do a few times a week, and

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Speaker 2: particularly I think when we're at events like this, how

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Speaker 2: about we start with a little news of the day

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Speaker 2: all the moving and shaking here on the grounds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, super quick, Before you do, I just want to

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Speaker 3: paint the picture. Like I mentioned Salon number four. Really,

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Speaker 3: all it is is a ballroom and there are sixteen

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Speaker 2: So it looks kind of like a wedding reception.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And everyone has their table, and here's where you.

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Speaker 3: Sit, and there's a sign that'll say, you know, Harba giants,

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Speaker 3: you know, and there's you know Stefanski.

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Speaker 2: Found Siriani's the table right in front of us. And

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Speaker 3: And anyone including us, I mean, we could have just

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was. There was actually you know, speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell, the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, had

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Speaker 2: his had his availability this morning. Okay, there were a couple.

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Speaker 3: Haven't heard any news from you know, things that they

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Speaker 2: And I want to potentially dig into this one, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's for for our purposes. It should probably lead off

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Speaker 2: this conversation. Kevin O'Connell had great things to say about

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Speaker 2: Brian Angelico of Steelers. You know, Mike McCarthy's first offensive

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Speaker 2: and Kevin O'Connell had a lot of great things to

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Speaker 2: was sad to lose them he thinks it's a great

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Speaker 2: it was both both Mark Cabali and and Noah Strack

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Speaker 3: So we talked about that. It's one of the harder

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Speaker 3: you know, like we my other outlets. I do this

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Speaker 3: I had never heard of Brian Angelico. He was, you know,

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Speaker 3: and then it comes across, you know, Wikipedia scout at

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Speaker 3: him as I'd like to say, tight end's coach, and

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Speaker 3: I think he was passing game coordinator. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: like when immedium, you see tight ends coach, the tight

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Speaker 3: a it's a great job, don't get me wrong, but

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Speaker 3: It's not offensive coordinator. You know. It's so immediately you

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Speaker 3: But then you realize passing game coordinator. And then you

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Speaker 2: Correct, you know, And that's what you like to get

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Speaker 2: into these circles, and yeah, try and find out. Here

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Speaker 2: is the exact coach, the exact quote part of me

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Speaker 2: from Minnesota head coach Kevin O'Connell on new Steelers offensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator Brian Angelico, and I quote what always kept coming

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Speaker 2: out with similar philosophical beliefs and how you attack people

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Speaker 2: specifically in the past game. But he has a really

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Speaker 2: good understanding of the run game and how to marry

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Speaker 2: the two together. He's been vital for me in the

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Speaker 2: how you tie it all together. He has prepared for

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Speaker 2: this opportunity. It is long overdue for him to get

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Speaker 3: Awesome, exactly what you want to hear. Right again, I

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Speaker 3: mean like another thing people don't one hundred percent understand,

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Speaker 3: nor do I exactly right now. But I mean during

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Speaker 3: the course of the week, they will break down. You

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Speaker 3: think you have all this time, your seven games, seven

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Speaker 2: I've told you Motes used to make that joke all

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Speaker 2: the time. Oh, we've got so everyone in the NFL fix,

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Speaker 2: We've got so much time. You don't you never have,

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Speaker 2: always on to the next thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you're on the team flights. I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: see coaches from Yester, you know, Tomlin's staff digging into

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Speaker 2: We get on the flight and the video guys are

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Speaker 2: handing out iPads. Yeah yeah, I mean they're going right

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Speaker 3: You got the vikings next week, get ready, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's not time. But anyway, so thus I mean a

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Speaker 3: you know, uh, assistant passing coordinator, you're in charge of

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Speaker 3: red zone, but whatever.

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Speaker 2: It is, but her third and long, you're in charge

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Speaker 3: Break this in the situation, right and whenever we practice

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Speaker 3: red zone, you basically run the offense. You know, doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean you call plays on game day, but you built

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Speaker 3: how to attack the Steeler red zone or whatever. You

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Speaker 3: put the hay in the barn. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and

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Speaker 3: everyone is on the same page and there's a lot

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I took from from Kevin O'Connell today,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I'm I'm very interested. You know, we

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Speaker 2: talked a little bit yesterday about the tight end position, Matt. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and maybe this was something we should have brought into

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Speaker 2: the end of the conversation when we were having it yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's shame on me. But when you look

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Speaker 2: at you know, some of the tight ends that Angeliceo

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Speaker 3: Oliver and they went out the way to go get Hawkinson.

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Speaker 3: You know, they paid it and God stole him from

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Speaker 3: did steal, But they made a trade within the division.

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Speaker 3: I mean that doesn't happen very often.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it feels like it's an exciting time

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Speaker 2: to be Pat Fryarmouth and Darnell Washington. Yeah, potentially, as

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Speaker 2: we as we mentioned, it feels like not with a

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Speaker 2: a priority pick or anything, but with those twelve draft picks,

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Speaker 2: I'd be so prize if they didn't come away with

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Speaker 2: another tight end to throw it.

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Speaker 3: I think they absolutely will, probably the mid rounds, and

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Speaker 3: probably at a value. But it's funny you mentioned I

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Speaker 3: hadn't thought about that either, you know, I immediately think

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Speaker 3: McCarthy's offense, you know, but sure, you're hiring a tight

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Speaker 3: end coach. And it's funny because you mentioned Josh Oliver.

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Speaker 3: He's very Washington like. I mean, he's one of these

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Speaker 3: you face a ton of nickel or six five to seventy, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's going to have a long career doing that.

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Speaker 3: Washington's a little more special, you know, I mean like

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Speaker 3: league like Washington looks like a tackle, especially when he's

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Speaker 3: rumbling down the field and all those things. But they

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Speaker 2: Rolling along here. It is a beautiful day in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 2: All part of our ongoing league meetings coverage here at

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Speaker 2: the Biltmore. As Matt Williamson has said, a few times,

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Speaker 2: There's a property on that there's kind of a hill

435
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: over here besides the beside the Biltmore. When we were parking,

436
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: Matt and I were walking down, and I mean, this

437
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: house is just picture every like, I don't know, every godfather,

438
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: good fella's scarface like mafioso type.

439
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 3: House, sitting the hill for protection, hi on.

440
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: The hill for protection, beautifully immaculately landscaped, and Matt and I.

441
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: Are like, I bet the views unreal.

442
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 2: Which of that house is only valued a couple hundred

443
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 2: pound dollars, so, I mean that's probably not too expensive.

444
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: But no, we are very happy to be here. The

445
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: weather's been amazing. Yeah, it's like, especially these mornings, it's

446
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: like seventy and sunny. It's so beautiful. We're certainly a

447
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: couple couple pasty Northeast boys are happy to be down

448
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 2: here in the desert and soaking it all in. For sure, Matt,

449
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to follow up with you real quick before

450
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: we get into other news of the day, just to

451
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: kind of put a bow on this Miles Garrett conversation

452
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 2: for now, because again I think we do.

453
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 3: I think that's determined.

454
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 2: I think we both agree that that story is not over,

455
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: So in the amended terms of his contract, the date

456
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: for option bonuses to be exercised by Garrett was pushed

457
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: backed from the fifteenth day of each league year to

458
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: seven days before the regular season each year. So basically

459
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 2: that means the payment of those bonuses are modified in

460
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: a way that benefits Miles Garrett. The change would make

461
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: a trade after June first, in which the receiving team

462
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: could split his cap hit over two seasons.

463
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: More easier for the new team the stomach it from

464
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: a cap perspective, because like changing his bonus, when you're

465
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: that good of a player, you're going to get the bonus,

466
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: and the only way you don't is if you get cut.

467
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna cut Myles Garrett. So he's gonna get his

468
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: bonus whether it's now or later. But by putting it

469
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: on that specific date, which gets confusing, don't get me wrong,

470
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: It just makes it much more palatable for the new

471
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: team to digest a massive, massive contract.

472
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Speaker 2: Which is important in these type of things, especially if

473
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: you're going to if you're going to give up three,

474
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: maybe four premium picks. It can't it can't crush your salary.

475
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: Cap to No, you still need to be able to

476
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: compete and do all those other things.

477
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: Right, right, So, Matt, that was kind of the and

478
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, especially come off a pretty good year. Yeah,

479
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: just a decent one. Just a decent one. That was

480
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: the kind of first thing that caught my eye. Obviously

481
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: with the angle of you know, AFC North and kind

482
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: of a kind of a local foe.

483
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Speaker 3: But I'll be very honest, I mean from a Steeler perspective,

484
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Speaker 3: I don't want them to get traded. I think they

485
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: I would rather be awesome.

486
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: You'd rather be awesome team, Yeah, get three first round

487
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: picks and go find their future franchise quarterback act.

488
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: I mean, they haven't had a great track record over

489
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: the years of doing the right things with those picks.

490
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of drafts and it's not the

491
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: same men and people in charge, but they've been many

492
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 3: times that they've tanked and had a bazillion picks and

493
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: never really put them all together. But I would rather

494
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: he wrote Reeks Havoc against Roderick Jones Cook the Bengals

495
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: left tackle, the Bravens left tackle for a couple of years,

496
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: and instead of bringing back the assets he can.

497
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Speaker 2: That makes sense. That makes sense. It does, and so

498
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: maybe a same church, different pew here. Matt another name

499
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: that has been mentioned in a lot of these circles,

500
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: a lot of these conversations of trade is of course

501
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver. Their news on that Aj Brown. Yes,

502
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: Eagles general manager Iggles general manager Howie Roseman spoke this

503
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: morning and of course that was one of the first

504
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: things he was asked about. He said, an eye quote,

505
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: I understand that there's interest in the AJ Brown story.

506
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: I unfortunately don't have a home under a rock, but

507
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: my answered pretty funny. My answer to any question on

508
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: AJ Brown is AJ Brown is a member of the Eagles.

509
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: From my perspective, anything you asked me about AJ Brown,

510
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to go right to that answer. I understand

511
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: the interest I put on TV, and I see that

512
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: there's interest, But my answer is AJ Brown is a

513
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: member of the Philadelphia Eagles. It's hard to find great

514
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: players in the NFL, and Aj is a great player.

515
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: I think from my perspective, we're going to go out

516
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: and look for what we can here in free agency,

517
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: in the draft, trying to find great players who love football,

518
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: and he is one of those guys.

519
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: That's one of my button cliches. He's a member of

520
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: the Eagles or Bears or Texans or whatever.

521
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: Sandrew Barry said, Miles Garrett is a Brown for life. Yeah,

522
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: that's just.

523
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: Not a strong state different. We all know he's a

524
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: member of the Eagle. Yes, you didn't tell us anything there.

525
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: I very much believe he's getting traded. You've mentioned this

526
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: that I don't think this is a Hurtz vers Brown thing,

527
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 3: but they're in different corners of the ring. Yes, and

528
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: I understand both sides.

529
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: I think a year ago you could excuse that away.

530
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: But now the over two. You know, one time is

531
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: a coincidence, two times as a pattern, I totally just

532
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: butchered that cliche, but you get work.

533
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever it is.

534
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's becoming a little bit of a pattern.

535
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: Yes, And I think basically it comes down to not

536
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: that Hurts isn't good enough, it's just I want to

537
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: be more of a passing offense where I can put

538
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: up numbers. And I know that's selfish and and he's

539
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: won there, but he can see it anyway once and

540
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: he doesn't have a ton of time left in the league,

541
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: So you know, we're so run centric there. This is

542
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: a hurts thing. Their offense is so rudimentary in terms

543
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: of row combinations and things like that that I'm sure

544
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: he looks around the league, talks to his buddies on

545
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: other teams, talks to his agent, and be like, if

546
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: someone could actually scheme me up as opposed to, hey,

547
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: go beat one on one or go beat doubles, you know,

548
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: I would put up fifty percent more numbers and help

549
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: my team even more. And I can understand that frustration,

550
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: but that they have to play a certain way and

551
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: they've had a lot of success doing it, and you've

552
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: mentioned it with your affiliation with the team they had

553
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: door hurts, you know, yeah, And I get it, and

554
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: how could you not. But I think he limits the

555
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: way you play offense. I have a lot more to

556
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: add to it, but I think he will get traded

557
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: after the draft, okay, And I think a real indicator

558
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 3: will be I bet they draft a receiver in the

559
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: first two days, the first two days. But see though,

560
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: when they have a bunch of picks too. They they're

561
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 3: a little sneaky with their picks as always.

562
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: But if you went that route about it, wouldn't you

563
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: kind of be dampering down on the trade value if

564
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: you go out and draft the wide receiver after you

565
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: signed Hollywood Brown, after you signed Elijah Moore. And I

566
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: realize those aren't they're not crazy, but.

567
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: It's still interesting that they're adding the NFL receivers.

568
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: And if they added one in the first or even

569
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: second round, Yeah, you know, then it's like, Okay, all

570
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden, where you got room for all these bodies,

571
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: Maybe your leverage in trade negotiate isn't quite what it

572
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: was could be. But I'm sure that's a conversation they've

573
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: had and they you know, have a.

574
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: Plan for Yeah. And again I do think people want

575
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: picked for next year or not this year.

576
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: Correct, you know, even if you have a quarterback in

577
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts.

578
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: No matter what, he won't Actually it's a more valuable

579
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: draft and the Eagles and I think contractually it helps

580
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: them to trade him later in the process too. Yes,

581
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: you know, it almost always does, almost always does. Yeah.

582
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: Aj Brown seventy eight catches last year, just a shade

583
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: over one thousand yards, one thousand and three yards, seven touchdowns,

584
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: four times, a fourth time in a row he's eclipsed

585
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: one thousand yards. Three time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl champion,

586
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: only Eagle to post multiple seasons with fourteen hundred plus

587
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: receiving yards, the two highest marks in Philadelphia Eagles franchise history.

588
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: Great player, but I think he's declining a little bit.

589
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: You've said that a few a little bit, right. I

590
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: bet his best year was probably the year before the

591
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: year before that. Ye, Like, when you look at his career, arc,

592
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: I think it's starting to come down on the Bell

593
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: curve or whatever, Matt.

594
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: Another person who spoke today on NFL Network was Aaron Glenn,

595
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Jets, and he made a

596
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: a you know pretty much, yes, pretty pretty strong commitment

597
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: to to Gino Smith being the guy that he wants

598
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: to ride with this season. No doubt about it. He

599
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: is our guy. Uh what it means to have a

600
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: bona fide starter come in and lead this offense to

601
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: where it needs to go. Listen, He's done it, you

602
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: know a couple of years. Those years he had in

603
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: Seattle comeback player of the Year, he was up for

604
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: MVP early in the season. There's no doubt in my

605
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: mind that we brought a competent starter here on this team.

606
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: I look forward to him getting in the building.

607
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's actually the right move. I mean,

608
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: I know that they're a build for tomorrow team. They've

609
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: got a lot of picks. They have three first rounders next.

610
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: Year, which is nuts nuts right, two this year and

611
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: three next year.

612
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: I think, so yeah for in addition to multiples on

613
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: two and all their stuff too. So they're loaded and

614
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: now they have to make them work. But I kind

615
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: of respect the Jets for bringing in to Mario Davis

616
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: and Geno and realize our culture here has been bad.

617
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: We need some professionals to kind of like paint the

618
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: walls different, you know what I mean.

619
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: It's the other side of the you know, people who

620
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: scream just tank and blow it up.

621
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: And stiff bringing all these young guys have never won

622
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: in the league before.

623
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: You know that that culture element is so real. Yes,

624
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: all of sports, but I think a.

625
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: Special relevant to the Steelers too. You know, oh, just blow

626
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: it up in tank. I'm like, all the years you've

627
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: built since Joe Green go down the toilet, don't do that.

628
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. And so that's a real Listen,

629
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: you could be taking a step back. You can be

630
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: honest and evaluate what you are as an organization. If

631
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: you're the Jets and go, hey, you know, we're not

632
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: contending for a division title or a Super Bowl this

633
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: year or anything like that. Sure, but we also need

634
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: adults in the room. We have a lot of young

635
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: guys on the roster already.

636
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: We have so many more.

637
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: We're going to add some more here in the draft

638
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: of us and April. Let's have some professionals in the room,

639
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: some guys that have been Pro Bowl. There's some guys

640
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: that have wonted to Vision titles and playoff games and

641
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: things like that. I think that stuff really matters. Again

642
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: in all of sports, yes, but especially in a game

643
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: like the NFL, where the parody is so high, the

644
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: margin for error is so slim, and you only have

645
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: seventeen games.

646
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: And the roster turnover year after year is so different.

647
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a lot of new people in there.

648
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: You gott to infuse some culture into the mix.

649
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: If you're a baseball team, you have one hundred and

650
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: sixty two games. If you're a basketball NBA or NHL team,

651
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Speaker 2: you have eighty two games. That's a lot of games

652
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Speaker 2: to build culture. The NFL you got seventeen games. Man,

653
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Speaker 2: that's it. Four You might make it to Halloween or

654
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and your season's already over. Yeah, and then you

655
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Speaker 2: have seventeen games, but only eight or nine of them

656
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Speaker 2: really mattered, you know, like that that stuff can permeate

657
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Speaker 2: an organization and all of a sudden you can be

658
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Speaker 2: stuck in that tank without any any ladders to get

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Speaker 2: you out.

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Speaker 3: So back to quarterback, I think they may have gotten

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Speaker 3: a steal is a big word because Gino was really

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Speaker 3: bad last year. But I think he's a way better

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Speaker 3: player than what he put on film last year. And

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Speaker 3: I think this circumstances had a lot to do with

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Speaker 3: his failures. You just to blame the quarterback is short sighted,

666
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Speaker 3: but he was not good. I think. I still think

667
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Speaker 3: it's a great risk for them to take, though, and.

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Speaker 2: They're only paying three point three million dollars if his

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Speaker 2: se right.

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Speaker 3: I mean nothing, And what Glenn said was he's our

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Speaker 3: starting quarterback. Well who else could it be? You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like even if Fields isn't even there any no, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if they.

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Speaker 3: Love Ty Simpson, he's not gonna be the starter on

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Speaker 3: day one anyway, you know. I mean, like they're not

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Speaker 3: gonna sign Cousins or another old guy. I mean so

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Speaker 3: I'm they probably will draft one, and if not, they

679
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Speaker 3: definitely will draft one a year from now. But that

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Speaker 3: guy's not gonna start in week one. So Glenn's not lying.

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Speaker 2: And that's why, that's why it makes even more sense

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Speaker 2: to me, because if Gino doesn't work out there, fine,

683
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Speaker 2: doesn't hurt you. You're moving on anyways. If he does

684
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Speaker 2: work out there, you keep him in tow. You let

685
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Speaker 2: him kind of mental. Hey, maybe it's Ty Simpson this year.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's one of those obviously three first round picks

687
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Speaker 2: they have next year. Yeah, you can do a lot

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Speaker 2: worse than have that guy come in doesn't have the

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Speaker 2: pressure to be the guy right away. You can let

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Speaker 2: him get ready. You can have him lean on someone

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Speaker 2: who's been there, done that. And Gino Smith is he's

692
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Speaker 2: been a starter, He's been benched, he's been a starter.

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Speaker 2: He's been benched.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, nobody handed him really yet, right, he's

695
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Speaker 3: earned it. Good to come back and earn it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's a good person to have

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Speaker 2: from a young guy in a locker room, just via osmosis.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, to be able to soak

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Speaker 2: up what it takes to last in the league. This

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Speaker 2: long at that position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So I mean to me that one hundred

702
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Speaker 3: percent adds up, and some of these coaches will embellish

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Speaker 3: the truth or kind of dance around it. But what

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Speaker 3: Glenn said was not wrong. He's our quarterback. You know.

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Speaker 3: They're contrary to popular belief, even teams that are tanking

706
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Speaker 3: do their best to win every game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, because those coaches don't want to lose

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Speaker 2: their jobs.

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Speaker 3: So they've worked hard and they practice hard, and they

710
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Speaker 3: don't say, I'm not going to block this guy or

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put my bad players out there all

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Speaker 3: day ll game. So he's our quarterback. We're trying to

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Speaker 3: win football games. That's their job. Now, that's the head

714
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Speaker 3: coach is win try to win seventeen of them.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, on our first show here in Arizona, Matt and

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Speaker 2: I discussed the possibility of the NFL the NFL Referees

717
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Speaker 2: Association a stalemate there another replacement refs type scenario like

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Speaker 2: we saw in twenty twelve to begin that NFL season.

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Speaker 2: We have some updates, We have some news from today

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Speaker 2: on that front. We'll go there to close down our

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Speaker 2: first hour of the drive. When we return West Shuler

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson inside the fabulous Biltmore in Phoenix, Arizona. It's

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Speaker 2: all part of our ongoing twenty twenty six NFL League

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Speaker 2: Owners Meetings coverage here on Steelers Nation Radio on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal, Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: We are inside the Builtmore here in Arizona, beautiful, sunny,

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Speaker 2: nice and warm Phoenix, for another day of our League

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Speaker 2: meeting coverage. Here on the Drive was Shuoler and Matt

731
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Speaker 2: Williamson closing down the first hour of today's program. We

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Speaker 2: will have a bonus third hour for you today and

733
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Speaker 2: of course tomorrow. Those are our three days of coverage.

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Speaker 2: Had a lot of fun yesterday For those who might

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Speaker 2: not be as completely what's the term I'm looking for

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Speaker 2: here dorkish as we are, as big of a nerds

737
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Speaker 2: as we are, you might not have realized that we

738
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Speaker 2: had a show yesterday, but we did a special.

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Speaker 3: You can find that still though.

740
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Speaker 2: Three hour Sunday edition. As we like to say, you

741
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Speaker 2: never miss a Sunday show, and so you could find

742
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Speaker 2: that still podcast feed, SNR Drive wherever you get us.

743
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Speaker 2: Of course, on our YouTube page as well too. TV

744
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Speaker 2: is not here with us in Arizona for all of

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Speaker 2: our for all of our loyal listeners. I do think

746
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Speaker 2: he's probably enjoying a little bit of a breather with

747
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Speaker 2: you know, a young young daughter at home and everything.

748
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Speaker 2: He could probably use a few days to breathe and

749
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Speaker 2: really a little bit. But we do have Jason from

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Speaker 2: Steelers Video has been helping us with the with the

751
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Speaker 2: video elements as well too, so Matt. We had gotten

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Speaker 2: a couple of tweets from people asking if the if

753
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Speaker 2: the shows that we're doing out here in Arizona will

754
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Speaker 2: be on YouTube. Yes, they will be. Yes, yesterday's show

755
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Speaker 2: is there, along with the show that we're doing now

756
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Speaker 2: will be will be there and in tomorrow's program as well,

757
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Speaker 2: before we fly back across the country a little over

758
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Speaker 2: two thousand miles to home on Wednesday. Matt, a ongoing

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00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: story from this week and one that I think is

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Speaker 2: going to probably linger the training camp if I had

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Speaker 2: to guess.

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Speaker 3: An the next couple of days might really pick this

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Speaker 3: up too. Is Snowball rolling down the hill?

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Speaker 2: You know, according to all the conversation yesterday and today,

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Speaker 2: the NFL and the NFL r A, which is the

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Speaker 2: NFL Referees Association.

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Speaker 3: He that very often, but more and more.

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Speaker 2: Let me just real quick set the scene for everybody.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're listening to this show in March,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening to a twenty four to seven football

771
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: network in March, you probably know a thing or two

772
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: about football. You've probably heard of the NFLPA, the NFL

773
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Speaker 2: Players Association. You've we've had instances in the past. We've

774
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Speaker 2: had conversations in the past where the NFLPA and the

775
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Speaker 2: NFL have collective bargaining agreements. How many games are going

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Speaker 2: to be played in a season, what are certain parameters

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Speaker 2: on salaries and salary caps and things like that, and

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Speaker 2: franchise tags and travel.

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Speaker 3: And all these all sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: Practice, how much they're allowed to practice, and what training

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Speaker 2: camp can look like. And you're familiar all that stuff

782
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Speaker 2: is collectively bargained between the league and the NFLPA, the

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Speaker 2: NFL Players Association. Well, what I don't think everybody is

784
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Speaker 2: hip to is that there is also an nfl RA,

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Speaker 2: the NFL Referees Association, and they have the same type

786
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Speaker 2: of contracts with the league that the Players Association does.

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Speaker 3: Bet they're not as powerful, But I bet they are.

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Speaker 2: Not as powerful. Yeah, but they certainly have a big,

789
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Speaker 2: big role and a big, big effect on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And if you'll all remember, back in twenty twelve, there

792
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Speaker 2: was a situation where there was a strike with the

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Speaker 2: Referees Association to start the year. That was the famous

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Speaker 2: game actually involving Aaron Rodgers is funny enough, in the

795
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Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers in Seattle to open that season and

796
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers throws the or I can't remember if it

797
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: was Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson, but throws the hail

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Speaker 2: Mary on the last play of the game, and there's

799
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Speaker 2: two replacement refs and one standing in the end zone

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Speaker 2: signaling touchdown and the other ones there standing incomplete pass.

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Speaker 2: And it was famously called the fail Mary. And there

802
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Speaker 2: was a bunch of controversy around that moment. Well, Matt,

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Speaker 2: according to everybody here boots on the ground, it sounds

804
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Speaker 2: like the NFL and the NFL are a are far

805
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Speaker 2: away from negotiations and in agreements on a new contract

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Speaker 2: in the NFL has begun the process to start hiring

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Speaker 2: replacement refs.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, I mean that's putting the pressure on them.

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Speaker 3: They must feel like they're pretty far off. Now. I

810
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Speaker 3: know about football, You know about football. We don't know

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Speaker 3: a ton about labor negotiations and whatnot to It's another

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Speaker 3: topic that I am not going to claim to be

813
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Speaker 3: an expert on. Maybe this is step one of just

814
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 3: putting pressure on your opponent. And we know it's a tactic.

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Speaker 2: Much like the Miles Garrett We're Them conversations. Everything is

816
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Speaker 2: about controlling the narrative and winning, winning the negotiation.

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00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely and which is going to be part of this

818
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Speaker 3: putting pressure on your opponent to get the best deal

819
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Speaker 3: you possibly can. There's tactics involve, of course, but not

820
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Speaker 3: what you want to hear, you know. I mean as

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Speaker 3: we sit here at the end of March and to March. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean you would hope that these these aren't the

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Speaker 3: stories you want to be talking about from between now

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Speaker 3: and opening day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think that's a good way.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure most of our listeners, like Bayd just hope

827
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Speaker 3: this goes away and we have to hear about it.

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Speaker 2: Again exactly right, right, And there's a very good chance

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Speaker 2: that could be the case. Yeah, there's also a chance,

830
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Speaker 2: like I said, that this could linger into the summer

831
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Speaker 2: and up to the start of the regular season, because

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Speaker 2: we all know that's the classic, I think, kind of

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Speaker 2: eleventh hour of negotiations. Right, We've seen this.

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Speaker 3: Deadlines get things done.

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Speaker 2: Deadlines get things done. We've seen this before with NFLPA

836
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Speaker 2: negotiations where it's like, oh, my goodness, could there be

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Speaker 2: a lockout, could there be a strike, could there be

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Speaker 2: a delay to the start of the season, And then

839
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Speaker 2: they get something done in the eleventh hour. And so

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Speaker 2: there's a very obviously real possibility that that's the case.

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Speaker 2: But the NFL has compiled a list of college officials

842
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Speaker 2: to recruit, and they're uh, you know, expected to add

843
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: some replay enhancements. We discussed that yesterday that would accompany

844
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Speaker 2: this to make life a little bit easier on those

845
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Speaker 2: replacement refs.

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Speaker 3: And a question for you about this now now I

847
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 3: think about it. So, does the SEC have refs?

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Speaker 2: Yes, every has their own and their AC from the.

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Speaker 3: AC Big twelve or whatever. Okay, you know, all.

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Speaker 2: The way down into you know, course of course, yes,

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Speaker 2: I thought so, But okay, and they work other games.

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Speaker 2: So for example, sorry to cut you off there, Like

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Speaker 2: the National Championship Game was Indiana and Miami. Yeah, Big

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Speaker 2: ten a c C. I believe it was a Big

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Speaker 2: twelve officiating crew that did the National championship game. They

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Speaker 2: also they also do that in the bowl games and

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Speaker 2: like you know, in the beginning of the season, Ohio

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Speaker 2: State will play Texas, you know, like in a non

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Speaker 2: conference game, and they'll bring in an acc officiating crew.

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Speaker 3: But just like the Super Bowl for the national championship game,

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Speaker 3: it's the best crew.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's you're getting those big games. If you're getting

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Speaker 2: in the you know, the playoffs and the college championship,

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Speaker 2: you obviously have a pretty good reputation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's exactly what the preface I wanted to lend

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Speaker 3: to this. Okay, so you said, and Miami plays Indiana

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00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: National title game and they bring in a Big twelve staff,

868
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: which they probably think, I'm just going to assume is

869
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: the best referee staff in college football. That's not part

870
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: of these two conferences, correct, Okay.

871
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: I would imagine that that's the That's that's how they want,

872
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: that's who they want.

873
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: That's we're giving.

874
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: So they can't say, oh, he's just favoring the Big

875
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: ten team, you know, and has very high ratings.

876
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 3: Yes, and they say, it's an honor. We're offering you

877
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: this job for this day. First, you can refuse it

878
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: if you want to whatever. Okay, Well, here's what I'm

879
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: going with this. I assume the NFL reaches out to

880
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: that exact same crew says you're the best. Do you

881
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: want to be our replacement crew? Wow? That sounds awesome?

882
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: But the rules are really different, really different tool And

883
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: I mean that's to me, that's almost like learning a

884
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: new language. I'm trying to think as those around you think.

885
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: If I'm that ref going, I'm really good at ref

886
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 3: in college, it'd be like if someone has.

887
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Almost like it's almost like going from algebra to calculus.

888
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: The example used is like if someone asked me to

889
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: talk about Pitt and w like it's football, but it's

890
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: I don't know the same.

891
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, someone asked you and I to be on TV,

892
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: like to do a television studio football show.

893
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: Right right, right right, or you know, I have to

894
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: do it in three minute increments as opposed to three

895
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: hour increment.

896
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: You know, maybe like a lot like if you're a

897
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: radio if you're if you're if you're Rob King and

898
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: you're doing the Steelers broadcast on radio to all of

899
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: a sudden, you got to go do a national broadcast

900
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: for ABC.

901
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: Just different.

902
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: The way you call games on radio is way different

903
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: than you call games on TV. It's in the same ecosystem,

904
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of differences.

905
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't be like asking me to talk

906
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: about tennis, but I mean, but still, there's a lot

907
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: of nuances, and rule books take a long time to learn, and.

908
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: The catch rules are different down down by contact afferent.

909
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: Game is way different than the stadiums and where the play.

910
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Clocks, overtime rules, all these things.

911
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is, Okay, NFL goes to that

912
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 3: big twelve group, Hey you're a first choice. You're awesome. Okay,

913
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: thank you, NFL. That sounds great, But what's the chances

914
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to get the gig am? I going

915
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: to relearn everything from two weeks for two weeks until

916
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: you guys seal the deal. And you know what I mean,

917
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 3: Like I'm happy where I'm at. Leave me alone, you know, like,

918
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: like it would be hard for me to say yes

919
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: to that job knowing I'm probably just going to get

920
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: replaced as soon as the deal gets signed. And then

921
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: and then the Big twelve still want me?

922
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: And you know, right, all of the sudden, did I

923
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: lose the play games with or without me? Did I?

924
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: Did I lose my seat at the table at the

925
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: top of the collegiate pecking order just to go work

926
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: two or three weeks in the NFL.

927
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: Right, which is reason number one hundred that the NFL

928
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: should have a minor league system. You just bring up

929
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: the best guys from the Morgan Town Steelers, you know

930
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 3: what I mean, the State College Eagles or whatever, you.

931
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: Know, State College Eagles.

932
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if I'm the if I'm a great

933
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: college ref, I have a good gig. I'm not saying

934
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: yes to that.

935
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: You know what I and all the different angles of

936
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 2: this that I had thought about.

937
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: That's a responding Yeah, that's a great.

938
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: Point by you, because, yeah, why am I gonna lose

939
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: my seat at the table? Yeah, to go to go

940
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: work a couple of weeks in the NFL and.

941
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: Then it might know this language, but I gotta learn

942
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: one that's similar but not the same. And if I

943
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: go up there, I'm never gonna go that country.

944
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: And I make a bad caller, I get something wrong,

945
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get crushed nationally and I'm never gonna and

946
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: everybody thinks somebody.

947
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get any benefit of the doubts in

948
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: that position. I mean, not even close. Yeah, don't sign

949
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: me up for that.

950
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: That's you know what. I hadn't considered that. But that's

951
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: a very good thought process for you to bring to

952
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: the table. So apparently it's pretty good being sec ref.

953
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure I do this for twenty years.

954
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I imagine that that's I imagine that's

955
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: a fun gig. I imagine that's a pretty good gig

956
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: with gainful employment. Certainly. One difference, though, Matt, that I

957
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: think is important in some of this language here in

958
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: the reports is that, according to a league source, they

959
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: want to start training new replacement officials beginning May first. Okay,

960
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: so a little over about a month from now. When

961
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: this happened in two thousand and.

962
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: Get trained big just like here's a book, learn it,

963
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: you know.

964
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: Big time. When this happened in twenty twelve, they didn't

965
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: start the They didn't start the referee training until July.

966
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: So that was things of like we're gonna learn from

967
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: Armisteak last time. We didn't give these guys enough time

968
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: to prepare. Like you just mentioned all the new rules,

969
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: the new changes, the difference is and just now the

970
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: way the games are governed. One catches in in college football,

971
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: one foot is a catching. College football two feet in

972
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: the end the easy one.

973
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: The rules are way deeper.

974
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: Exactly right, like the difference. You know in college if

975
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: your knees down, you're down. It doesn't matter if you're

976
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: touched or not. Whereas opposed to Jerem formerly of this

977
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: parish in western Pennsylvania walking by here. So at least

978
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: they're saying or you know, addressing that, and we're gonna

979
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: give these guys two extra months to prepare and start training,

980
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: which I think is definitely important.

981
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: Train as much as possible.

982
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: I mean, what if you're training your fourth or fifth

983
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: choice crew and not the not the A team.

984
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't know. I mean, it just

985
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: seems a lot of room for error here.

986
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Well, there certainly is. There certainly is. So that is

987
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: what I think, Like you you said it, well, Matt,

988
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: it's not what we want to be talking about this

989
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 2: time of year. I don't think it's what much NFL

990
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: fans want to be here in or discussing. They don't

991
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: they just get put to put the referees out on

992
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: the field, let them do their job, get it done properly,

993
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: you know, give us is And that's the that's the

994
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: other part of this. If it does end up coming

995
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: to a replacement ref situation that people are gonna hate,

996
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: there's gonna be more parameters for review. They're going to

997
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: they're going to expand, they're going to expand they're talking

998
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: about that tomorrow. So they're going to expand the video elements.

999
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: And so that would be something that people at home

1000
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: would notice and would be one more thing to focus by,

1001
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: one more additional piece of I guess, potential controversy if

1002
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: you want to label it that way. And also, Matt

1003
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: just I think there's not many things that all sports

1004
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: fans agree on, right, There's not many things in society

1005
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: that we all agree on. But I do think one

1006
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: of them pretty unanismally, unanimously across the board. If you

1007
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: ask football fans, if you ask fans of any other

1008
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: sport too, Yes they want review, but they want it

1009
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: to be a speedy, quick, expedited process. They don't want

1010
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: to see the referees going to the monitor multiple times

1011
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: a game. They don't want to see it taking two

1012
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: or three minutes to make the decision. I have a

1013
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: feeling that a.

1014
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: Lot of it they want the microwave version.

1015
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: Of course, they want the microwave version of video review.

1016
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: And I have a feeling that a lot of this

1017
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: would be the opposite of that. It would be more fraquent,

1018
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: it would be longer reviews, it would be clunkier, it

1019
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: would slow the game down. And again, like, that's something

1020
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're a Steelers fan, a Ravens fan,

1021
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: a Cowboys fan, an Eagles fan. That's something that nobody

1022
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: wants to see.

1023
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: True. Now, as you're saying that, I'm like, that's kind

1024
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: of demanding. Like I want every play call to be right,

1025
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: and I want to super quick, doubt anything else you want.

1026
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: I also want a cake and I want to eat

1027
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: it too.

1028
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to eat it too, and then

1029
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: I want another cake, and then I want another cake.

1030
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: And I never wanted to be a bad case some

1031
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: ice cream and right exactly, Like, of course, everybody wants

1032
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: it quick and perfect, asking a lot it sure is

1033
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: never never miss a ball or strike calling. I'm gonna

1034
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: miss one or two, you know.

1035
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: Then you bring in the robot humps and everyone's like, well,

1036
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: what happened to the human element of right? You can't

1037
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: always get what you want, but if you try sometime,

1038
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: you just might find you get what you need. An

1039
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: hour in the books, another hour or part of me,

1040
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: another two hours to go here. We are going to

1041
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: take a look at some new mock drafts. We're gonna

1042
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: get to your tweets. We're gonna have some guests here

1043
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: as we roll along. Plenty more to get to with

1044
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: an hour in the books here on the Drive live

1045
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: in Phoenix, Arizona, at the Biltmore. Matt and I are here.

1046
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: It's all part of the NFL's annual league meetings, all

1047
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: happening on your twenty four to seven home of the

1048
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: Black and Gold. It's Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

1049
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: Audio Network.

1050
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: Nice sweet,