WEBVTT - We're Watching Facebook Die

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media. Hello, welcome to Better Offline. I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host ed ze Trunk. Last episode, I walked you through

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<v Speaker 1>how Mark Zuckerberg and his top people intentionally ruined Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and have been doing the same thing with Instagram. Which

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably wondering is what the net effects of that are,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not great. In the first quarter of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Meta made thirty six point four y five

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, of which twelve point three seven billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>was pure profit. Though the company no longer reports daily

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<v Speaker 1>active users, it now uses another metric, family daily active people.

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<v Speaker 1>This number, which could also be the name of a gym,

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<v Speaker 1>refers to registered and logged in users of one or

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<v Speaker 1>more of Facebook's family products who visited at least one

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<v Speaker 1>of these products on a particular day. This, again seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>innocent change to how Facebook reports growth, is quite significant

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<v Speaker 1>in that Facebook will no longer have to report its

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<v Speaker 1>daily or monthly active users, meaning that the only source

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<v Speaker 1>of truth in Meta's growth story is an extremely vague

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<v Speaker 1>growth metric that could be manipulated to mean just about anything,

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<v Speaker 1>Though Meta doesn't really explain this number anywhere. Three billion

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<v Speaker 1>daily active people across Meta's family could combine WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook Messager, Facebook portal, Oculus, threads, and maybe some other

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<v Speaker 1>dead Facebook product that they've forgot to kill off of

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<v Speaker 1>the app store. I'm not really sure, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they tell us. What's confusing is that in their

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter twenty twenty three earnings, Meta reported that it

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<v Speaker 1>had two point one one billion daily active users across

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<v Speaker 1>its properties, a number that is somehow distinct from the

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<v Speaker 1>three point one to nine billion family daily active of

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<v Speaker 1>people that they reported in the same quarter. Daily active

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<v Speaker 1>users is a fairly simple metric. It's how many people

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<v Speaker 1>engage with a product in a given day on average,

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<v Speaker 1>across the month or the quarter, I guess. But daily

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<v Speaker 1>family active people is a number that's somehow so distinct

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a billion users higher. It smells. It smells

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<v Speaker 1>like doodoo to me. I'll digress. When a company starts

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<v Speaker 1>playing these weird games with how they report user activity,

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<v Speaker 1>something's going very, very wrong. In general, when a company

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<v Speaker 1>tries to obfuscate the true numbers about their revenue, growth

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<v Speaker 1>or profit, it's one of the worst science and Enron

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<v Speaker 1>is probably the best example of it, with the company's

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<v Speaker 1>notorious use of esoteric metrics in their quarterly financial statements,

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<v Speaker 1>being used to disguise the fact that they were overleveraged, dysfunctional,

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<v Speaker 1>hemorrhaging money. While I don't really want to draw the

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<v Speaker 1>comparisons between Meta and Enron, there's an undeniable truth in

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<v Speaker 1>the adage that if you have nothing to hide, you

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing to fear. Healthy, stable, functional companies. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel the need to move the goalposts or create new

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<v Speaker 1>weird metrics. They just don't. It's a very very bad sign.

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<v Speaker 1>Between the first quarter of twenty twenty one and the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, which was the last

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<v Speaker 1>one where reported metrics actually came from Meta, the company

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<v Speaker 1>would increase its daily active users by two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million and its monthly active users by two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty million. That's a growth ray of just under

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<v Speaker 1>eleven percent in daily actives and just over a seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent increase in monthly actives in three years. In that

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<v Speaker 1>time period, Meta launched its Horizon Metaverse and its Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>competitor Threads, which it claimed in its Q four earnings

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three had hit one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>million monthly active users, which was an increase of thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent over the third quarter. Yet between the third and

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarters, Metas overall monthly active users across their platforms

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<v Speaker 1>only increased by around twenty million, and this heavily suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that despite adding over one hundred million new monthly active

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<v Speaker 1>users on the property, it's shedding tens of millions of

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<v Speaker 1>them everywhere. Meta's entire product strategy revolves around growth of

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<v Speaker 1>these arbitrary metrics time spent on app engagement, meaningful time

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<v Speaker 1>spent all numbers that have dictated their strategy across a

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<v Speaker 1>multitude of properties like Facebook and Instagram for years. And

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to these really nasty growth tactics and a sheer

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<v Speaker 1>force of capital and monopolies, Meta has grown a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much unstoppable position in social networking, controlling two of the

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<v Speaker 1>major platforms Instagram and Facebook, and two prevalent messaging services

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<v Speaker 1>in WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger. Yet Meta has become a

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<v Speaker 1>company that just shows contempt for users, and they turn

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<v Speaker 1>their products Facebook and Instagram in particular, into these horrible

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<v Speaker 1>algorithmic nightmares that undermine their core purpose. They don't connect people,

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<v Speaker 1>They intentionally allow malignant actors like anti vaxxers and spammers

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<v Speaker 1>to thrive on there, and they make it harder to

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<v Speaker 1>see the things that you want to see. To send

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<v Speaker 1>these arbitrary mentricks upwards, Mark Zuckerberg, he lied. He lied

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<v Speaker 1>to investors when he told them that his company doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>build services to make money, but makes money to build

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<v Speaker 1>better services, because for over a decade, metter has allowed

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<v Speaker 1>its services to decay while actively monetizing the frustration, paying

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<v Speaker 1>and confusion created by the horror show that is Meta.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at Instagram or Facebook, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to look a them a little different For me, just

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment. I want to view them not a

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<v Speaker 1>social networks, but as a kind of anthropological experimentation. Every

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<v Speaker 1>single thing you see on either of these platforms is

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<v Speaker 1>built or selected to make you spend more time on

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<v Speaker 1>the app and see more things that Meta wants you

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<v Speaker 1>to see, like ads or sponsored contents or suggested groups

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<v Speaker 1>that you can interact with, and in doing so, you're

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<v Speaker 1>increasing your time spent on the app and increasing the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of meaningful interactions you have with the content. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what's important there is You'll notice I'm not saying anything

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<v Speaker 1>about you enjoying it or liking it or being able

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<v Speaker 1>to get to stuff or anything about a service. That's

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<v Speaker 1>because that isn't why it's there. Indeed, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that anything bad or frustrating you see on

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<v Speaker 1>the platform is a direct symptom of Mark Zuckerbug's unwillingness

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<v Speaker 1>to rate, limit, or really moderate the platform. Logically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>one would think the meta would want you to have

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<v Speaker 1>a high quality Facebook experience, and they'd want to prove

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<v Speaker 1>in content that I don't know, I might be in

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<v Speaker 1>cindiary spammy, scammy, unhelpful or at the very least from

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<v Speaker 1>someone you know and want to hear from. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you only concern is growth, content moderation is more of

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency measure or just something you talk about in

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<v Speaker 1>earnings or in front of Congress. And to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>this is all part of metas cultural DNA. In an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with journalist Jeff Horwitz in his book Broken Code,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's VP of Ads and Partnerships Brian Bowland, said that

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<v Speaker 1>building things is way more fun than making things secure

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<v Speaker 1>and safe, and until there's a regulatory or press fire,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't deal with them. Horwitz also cites that metas

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<v Speaker 1>engineer's greatest frustration was that the company perpetually needed something

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<v Speaker 1>to fail, often fucking spectacularly, and that is a quote

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<v Speaker 1>to drive interest in fixing it. Horwitz's Brooke describes Meta's

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<v Speaker 1>approach to moderation as having a light touch, considering it

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<v Speaker 1>a moral virtue, and that the company wasn't failing to

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<v Speaker 1>supervise what users did. It was neutral. As I briefly explained,

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<v Speaker 1>the logic here is that the more stuff there is

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook or Instagram, the more likely you are to

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<v Speaker 1>run into something you'll interact with, even if said interaction

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<v Speaker 1>is genuinely bad. Horwitz notes that in April twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Meta analyzed Facebook's most successful political groups, finding that a

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<v Speaker 1>third of them routinely featured content that was racist and

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy minded, with their growth heavily driven by Facebook's group

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<v Speaker 1>you should Join and discover features algorithmic tools that face

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<v Speaker 1>used to recommend content. The researcher in question added that

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four percent of all extremist group joins are due

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<v Speaker 1>to Facebook's recommendation tools. Now here's something that will really

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<v Speaker 1>annoy you. At least they annoyed me. When the researcher

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<v Speaker 1>in question took their concerns to Facebook's Protect and Care team,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is their name. They were told that there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing the team could do as and I quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the accounts creating the content were real people, and Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally had no rules mandating truth, balance or good faith. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. Every time I read one of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to scream, because this is how this

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<v Speaker 1>company runs. There are many evil companies out there, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's so rare you read text that it's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so if we do this, it will be good for people,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone just says, nah, mate, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Bring the numbers down. It's so strange and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so craven, and it's so often as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is only a tiny subset of the I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>tens of millions of emails at Meta. There's probably so

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<v Speaker 1>much worse that's going to come out one day. That

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<v Speaker 1>drives me insane. Ah. But I get back to the point,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that Meta at its core is a rot

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<v Speaker 1>economy empire, and it's entirely engineered to grow metrics and

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<v Speaker 1>revenue at pretty much the expense of anything else. In practice,

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<v Speaker 1>this means allowing almost any activity that might grow the

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<v Speaker 1>platform even if it means the groups balloon by tens

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<v Speaker 1>or hundreds of thousands of people a day, or allowing

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<v Speaker 1>people to friend fifty or more people in a single day,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's obvious spam. It means allowing almost any

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<v Speaker 1>content other than that which it's legally required to police,

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<v Speaker 1>like mutilation or child pornography, which thank god they get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of. Fucked. I'm actually surprised that they take the

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<v Speaker 1>action there, and it's just it's very depressing, and even

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<v Speaker 1>in the worst cases, they're extremely hesitant to intervene. This

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<v Speaker 1>is why, by the way, when you log onto Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find multiple groups with the most bizarre names.

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<v Speaker 1>But I picked a particularly weird one search for Facebook complaints.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look, you'll find thousands of members in I

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<v Speaker 1>think like twenty different groups, all people that believe they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Facebook customer support, but what they're really doing

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<v Speaker 1>is engaging with the most obvious scammers in the world

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<v Speaker 1>asking to go private on Facebook Messenger. These groups are

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<v Speaker 1>a great example about Meta's total lack of any quality control,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just utter contempt for their users. Typing Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>complaint into a search bar on the Facebook app should

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<v Speaker 1>if Meta gave a shit direct you I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>to Facebook's customer service department, and that would be if

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<v Speaker 1>one really existed, which it does not, which we will

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<v Speaker 1>get to later. Instead, it introduces you to multiple and

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen one. There's one group that had seventeen thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>one had five thousands. There's multiple groups with at least

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand people, and they're honey traps. They're obvious honeytraps

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<v Speaker 1>for scam artists, and Meta doesn't get rid of them,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine because these groups have relatively high activity, boosting

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's meaningful interactions, even if said interactions are a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five year old being conned into sharing their username and

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<v Speaker 1>password via Facebook Messenger, or an irate Australian claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>hackers have changed his Facebook to Chinese, or another person

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<v Speaker 1>that I saw that was genuinely saying I ordered Lobster.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is it? I don't know on that one, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know. Like most social networks, and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see this with Twitter and Google in particular, even though

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<v Speaker 1>Google are realized not social network. In this case, these companies,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a kind of a black box approach to

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<v Speaker 1>customer service, meaning that when you submit or a complaint

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<v Speaker 1>or a problem or a query. Through these regular channels,

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<v Speaker 1>you're rarely going to get a substantive response or any

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<v Speaker 1>help of any kind. What makes Meta unique is that

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<v Speaker 1>they actively monetize the problem. In March twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Meta launched paid verification, charging users fifteen dollars a month

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<v Speaker 1>to get a verified badge on their account, exclusive stickers

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and I quote as direct access to customer support,

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<v Speaker 1>which really has You've got to wonder, Hey, what does

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook think they're providing Otherwise is it not Facebook doing

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<v Speaker 1>their support? I'm just guessing, man, because it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>it's O the bloody website. It's just very annoying. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very annoying, and it's very It turns my stomach, it

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<v Speaker 1>really does. It's because customer support should be just a given,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're a company that makes tens of well

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<v Speaker 1>over ten billion dollars of profit a quarter. It's really frustrating,

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<v Speaker 1>and as shameless as it is, it's also just profoundly unimaginative.

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<v Speaker 1>As I've argued in the past, both on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and in my newsletter. By the way, Mark Zuckerberg is

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<v Speaker 1>a man bereft of ideas, Meta is a company bereft

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas. They stole Twitter's pivot, they stole Elon Musk's

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<v Speaker 1>paid verification idea, which in its first few moments allowed

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<v Speaker 1>pranksters to impersonate multi billion dollar pharmaceutical multinationals and white

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<v Speaker 1>billions from their stock valuation. And it just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shows Meta's willingness to scrape from the bottom of the barrel,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's just an horrible idea and also just

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<v Speaker 1>a very noxious one, like, yeah, we'll help you, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>if you pay fifteen dollars a month for our website

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<v Speaker 1>that we heavily monetize to such an extent that you

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<v Speaker 1>can barely get anything done on it. Good lord. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I've kind of suggested for Meta, any group is

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity for engagement, and any content is an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for engagement, and any action taken on the platform is

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<v Speaker 1>a meaningful one. Anything that keeps a person engaged with

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram or Facebook, even if it's bad for the user,

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<v Speaker 1>is a good thing, and that mentality pervades the entirety

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<v Speaker 1>of this asshole company. To quote Facebook VP Andrew bos

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<v Speaker 1>Bosworth in a memo from twenty sixteen, and boz is

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<v Speaker 1>now the CTO of Meta. By the way, anything that

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<v Speaker 1>allows this company to connect more people more often is

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<v Speaker 1>de facto good, and all the work that this company

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<v Speaker 1>does in growth is justified, including questionable will contact, importing practices,

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<v Speaker 1>and subtle language that helps people stay searchable by friends

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<v Speaker 1>by which he meant terms and condition changes. While Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg might have claimed that Meta never believe the ends

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<v Speaker 1>justify the means when this memo came out, and when

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<v Speaker 1>BuzzFeed asked him and stop him from making Bosworth metas

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<v Speaker 1>CTO in twenty twenty two, or for that matter, from

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything else nakedly evil Meta's growth at all cost.

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<v Speaker 1>Mindset means that both Facebook and Instagram incentivize the creation

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<v Speaker 1>of more stuff far more than they incentivize any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of meaningful interaction of any kind. And as I've mentioned previously,

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<v Speaker 1>both of them have algorithms that aggressively force sponsored and

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<v Speaker 1>suggested content onto users based on this unknowable leviathan of

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<v Speaker 1>data points. One particularly noxious engagement trick Facebook uses is

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<v Speaker 1>to show a our cell of reels short vertical videos,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of playing the entire thing, you're shown a

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<v Speaker 1>two or three second loop of the content In the

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<v Speaker 1>hopes that you'll be intrigued enough to click. This kind

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<v Speaker 1>of design decision is entirely built to create more engagement.

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<v Speaker 1>Meta could just play the videos in their entirety and

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<v Speaker 1>let you view them and maybe click through and hear

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<v Speaker 1>the sound if you are interested. But Facebook is built

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<v Speaker 1>to please Mark zuckerbergen his nasty, dirty little numbers game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gross. Yet by incentivizing as much content and as

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<v Speaker 1>many interactions as possible, rather than curating the experience in

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<v Speaker 1>any way, Facebook is being killed. It's being destroyed in

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<v Speaker 1>real time. A study out of Stamford and Georgetown University

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<v Speaker 1>found that AI generated images have begun to dominate Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>garnering hundreds of millions of interactions thanks to Meta's recommendation algorithms,

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<v Speaker 1>with one AI generated image becoming one of the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>most viewed pieces of content in the third quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. These pages, according to the study, regularly

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote used clickbake tactics and attempted to direct

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<v Speaker 1>users to off platform content farms and low quality debates

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<v Speaker 1>and scam pages that attempted to sell products that do

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<v Speaker 1>not exist or to get users to divulge personal details.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember in the previous episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mentioned that Facebook has made changes like this before,

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<v Speaker 1>promoting clickbait content that doesn't tell you what it is

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<v Speaker 1>really until you click it. In essence, Mayre's algorithm is

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<v Speaker 1>actively monetizing, sending users to questionable groups that, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the study, used known deceptive practices such as as count,

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<v Speaker 1>theft or takeover to spread these horrible images, and that

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<v Speaker 1>these accounts exhibited suspicious follower growth showing them ads through

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<v Speaker 1>the entire experience. Four h four Media's Jason Koebler also

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<v Speaker 1>analyzed the phenomena and found that groups were using AI

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<v Speaker 1>altered pictures of Simon Cowell to direct people toward a

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<v Speaker 1>page called Thoughts, which routinely encourage people to click through

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<v Speaker 1>to a spamming website called Planet tree Panetee, which was

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<v Speaker 1>in turn full of horrible, invasive ads. Cobler also found

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<v Speaker 1>that Planet and Thoughts dramatic growth began when they started

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<v Speaker 1>using these AI generated images, and that many other groups

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<v Speaker 1>were doing the same thing, and they were generating these

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre images like a picture of Jesus made of shrimp

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<v Speaker 1>or an AI generated picture of a one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one year old woman celebrating her birthday and this image,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, her eyes are like smudges. It does

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<v Speaker 1>not look real. But these AI generated image they're running

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely rampant on the platform. All bookers. Meta has absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no duty towards their users or even the platform itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Four o four Media also reported recently that Facebook's recommendation

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm is now promoting anime pornography, combining a mixture of

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<v Speaker 1>AI generated cartoon porn and plagiarized artwork to garner tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of likes and reports to Jason Koebler mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that a user complained that they'd been shown nude pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of Disney princesses and Misty from Pokemon. This is particularly

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<v Speaker 1>grotesque when you realize how many children use Facebook. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's relevance has kind of waned with gen z and younger,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a major social network property in this demographic.

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<v Speaker 1>A report from twenty twenty one found that forty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of kids under the age of thirteen used Facebook daily,

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<v Speaker 1>and speaks to a larger trend of recklessness within this company.

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to when an engineer was fired after raising

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<v Speaker 1>concerns that Facebook's people you may know feature allowed and

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<v Speaker 1>I quote millions of pedophiles to target tens of millions

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<v Speaker 1>of children. I guess Meta just doesn't really give a

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<v Speaker 1>shit as long as the number goes up. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter that Facebook's algorithm is actively recommending AI generated images

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<v Speaker 1>of mutilated children, garning hundreds of thousands, if not millions,

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<v Speaker 1>of engagements. It's also that Facebook can serve your ads

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<v Speaker 1>next to them. It doesn't matter that Facebook is saturated

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<v Speaker 1>with engagement bait, much of it created with generative AI,

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<v Speaker 1>because Meta is able to express it has three billion

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<v Speaker 1>or more family daily active people, whatever the hell that

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<v Speaker 1>means on the platform, even if it means that these

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<v Speaker 1>three billion daily active people, and I really question whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually three billion people, even if they're watching this

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<v Speaker 1>thing fall apart in real time. Yeah. Arguably the most

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<v Speaker 1>confusing addition to the platform in any recency is Meta AI,

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<v Speaker 1>a free and impossible to disable, by the way, artificial

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence assistant that uses generative AI to answer user questions

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<v Speaker 1>and generate images from virtually any Facebook property. Meta also

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<v Speaker 1>allows users to add metas AI to their groups, letting

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<v Speaker 1>commenters ask it questions. But they also did something really

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<v Speaker 1>weird they've allowed you to add it to the group

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<v Speaker 1>and respond to comments that aren't getting enough engagement, which

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<v Speaker 1>led metas Ai to respond to a comment in a

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<v Speaker 1>parenting group that it referring to metas ai had a

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<v Speaker 1>gifted child and recommended a specific school for help with

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<v Speaker 1>their child's needs. And when I say there, I'm referring

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<v Speaker 1>to a generative AI on the Facebook platform. It's so strange.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all so strange, And you know what, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make any sense until you consider that every single decision

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<v Speaker 1>that Mark Zuckerberg makes is to keep users on metas platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>By adding a generative AI assistant, Meta gives users more

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<v Speaker 1>things to play with, more reasons to interact with the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>and more ways to generate content to put onto the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>which in turn creates more reasons for others to interact

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<v Speaker 1>with it. It doesn't matter that the things being created

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<v Speaker 1>are useless or harmful, or profoundly inane or intrusive or annoying,

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<v Speaker 1>or that by giving people the ability to lasily generate

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<v Speaker 1>posts which all kind of sound the same, because all

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<v Speaker 1>generative AI is trained on basically the same data sets,

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<v Speaker 1>except by the way Chacebooks is trained on Facebook data.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just going to normalize everything on there. Every Thing

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<v Speaker 1>already kind of sucks on Facebook, but now generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>will allow it to suck in greater numbers. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the future everyone now, this nonsensical act of pushing AI

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<v Speaker 1>onto Facebook and Instagram. Whats happened all these things? It's

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<v Speaker 1>just another silly, senseless way that Mark Zuckerberg is burning money,

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<v Speaker 1>and Meta is raising its spending forec US in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to thirty five billion to forty five billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which is up from thirty to thirty seven billion. Zuckerberg's

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<v Speaker 1>blown over forty billion dollars on the metaverse so far

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<v Speaker 1>and seems to be intent on doing the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>with AI. And he's going to sink billions more into

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<v Speaker 1>graphics processing units and other assorted hardware to spin up

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<v Speaker 1>features that nobody wants, that nobody asks for that Every

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<v Speaker 1>time I've seen someone discuss, they are saying something along

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<v Speaker 1>the lines of why is this here? Or why do

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<v Speaker 1>I need this? And I don't want this. I have

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<v Speaker 1>never seen such an unpopular product other than the meta us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think genuinely, had the metaverse been easier to access,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been even more unpopular than this, but

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, it's already pretty unpopular already. Not to

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<v Speaker 1>sound too dramatic, but I believe that Meta is a

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<v Speaker 1>deeply evil company and it's run by people that treat

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<v Speaker 1>human beings as pawns. Pawns to increase engagement metrics and

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<v Speaker 1>make money on advertising. And what makes the company so

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<v Speaker 1>unique is that the services it provides are just unquestionably awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Using both Facebook and Instagram is a battle with an

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm to see the people that you choose to follow,

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<v Speaker 1>and Meta as a company seems incapable of developing anything new, intivative,

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<v Speaker 1>or even useful. Yet it made over thirty six billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in revenue in Q one twenty twenty four, and

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<v Speaker 1>it did so by abusing and manipulating its users while

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<v Speaker 1>also failing to maintain any integrity or utility within two

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<v Speaker 1>of the most important platforms on the Internet. And I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>as crazy as it sounds, that this strategy will lead

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<v Speaker 1>to the contraction and eventual death of face Book at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least, and possibly Instagram. And I anticipate that

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<v Speaker 1>as things get more difficult for the company, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to hit Instagram so much worse. According to data provided

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<v Speaker 1>to me by Similar Web, in the last three years,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's US website audience has declined by thirteen point seven percent,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the year of a year period from April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four, monthly active users

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook's app have declined by two point two percent,

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<v Speaker 1>while Instagram's web aardy inscrewed by twenty three percent over

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<v Speaker 1>the last few years. In the last twelve months, its

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<v Speaker 1>growth has slowed to six point eight percent, and between

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<v Speaker 1>March and April twenty twenty four, Instagram's app monthly active

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<v Speaker 1>users in America declined by zero point eight percent. Instagram's

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<v Speaker 1>the cash cow. This is the thing to be worried about. Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's monthly active users have been aggressively declining every month, though,

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<v Speaker 1>tumbling from a high of two hundred and eight million

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<v Speaker 1>monthly active users in May twenty twenty one to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty one million monthly active users in April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. Just to be clear, talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>website there, and that's the second lowest the number has

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<v Speaker 1>been in the entire period, beaten only by February twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, when it had one hundred and fifty eight

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<v Speaker 1>point eight million active users. On top of that year

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<v Speaker 1>of a year, Facebook's apps are a decline of two

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<v Speaker 1>point two percent in monthly active users. To put it simply,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook's decaying, and they've lost nearly fifty million monthly active

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<v Speaker 1>users in the last three year in the US to

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<v Speaker 1>their website. Globally, things are a lot worse. Facebook has

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<v Speaker 1>lost twenty five point two percent of its monthly unique

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<v Speaker 1>website visitors since twenty twenty one, crashing from a high

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<v Speaker 1>of one point four five six billion in May twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one to a low of one point oh four

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<v Speaker 1>billion in February twenty twenty four, slightly increasing to one

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<v Speaker 1>point five billion in April twenty twenty four, a loss

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<v Speaker 1>of three hundred and ninety seven million unique monthly visitors.

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<v Speaker 1>One has to wonder if these numbers might have been

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<v Speaker 1>what pushed Zuckerberg to try and turn the metaverse into

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote, the next generation of the Internet. Maybe

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>he knew, Maybe he knew that his disgraceful, lazy, half

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<v Speaker 1>baked abus of shitty, morally reprehensible approach to building social

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>networks was one that had a sell by date. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>you see on Facebook and Instagram today is a monument

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<v Speaker 1>to the works of a man that sees users as

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<v Speaker 1>rats in a digital maze built to make numbers go

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<v Speaker 1>up and investors happy. And I don't even think he

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<v Speaker 1>cares that much about investors. After all, he can't be fired.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seemed very angry in these episodes. I'm not telling

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<v Speaker 1>you how to feel. I'm just telling you how I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of this comes down to a deep

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<v Speaker 1>frustration with Facebook and Instagram and Meta as a company,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you see a company with so much talent,

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<v Speaker 1>with so much influence, with so much responsibility, and you

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<v Speaker 1>see how little responsibility they feel to the people that

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<v Speaker 1>use their websites, it's just disgusting, especially when even the

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<v Speaker 1>slightest changes could make these websites so much better. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little less profitable, but after all, this company makes

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<v Speaker 1>over ten billion dollars in profit a quarter, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like Google. Hey, I should do an episode on those people.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I will in the future, But in all seriousness,

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<v Speaker 1>what Meta stands for right now is rot and what

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg stands for is evil. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>society's mechanisms. They're far too slow and they lack the

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<v Speaker 1>precision to deal with a man like Mark Zuckerberg. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's a man that acts with just this shocking lack

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<v Speaker 1>of morality and I find it putrid. And this complex

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<v Speaker 1>machine he's used to torture humans for profit and power,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gone completely unchecked. A lot of government handwaving, but

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<v Speaker 1>no real changes. The best hope we have is the EU.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I mentioned before, Mark Zuckerberg he can never

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<v Speaker 1>be fired. We are stuck with him, and he can

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<v Speaker 1>and he will run this company into the goddamn ground

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<v Speaker 1>and he will hurt people on the way to doing it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk, And just to be clear, he is a greedy, churlish, nasty, freakish, disgusting,

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<v Speaker 1>shameful man, Mark Zuckerberg is just something entirely different. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not stupid, he really isn't. And unlike Musk, he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to have any compulsion for anyone to like him.

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<v Speaker 1>They occasionally put him in a chain or a normal

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<v Speaker 1>person outfit, or have him do barbecue to try and

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<v Speaker 1>pretend he's human. Eh. He seems kind of half hearted

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<v Speaker 1>in it. I can understand that, because that's not what

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<v Speaker 1>turns Mark Zuckerberg on I'm not making any suggestions about

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>sexual proclivities. Please do not sue me. What I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>is Mark Zuckerberg craves numerical dominance, and he craves it

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<v Speaker 1>at any cost. He must force human beings to use Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>and once they're there, he must make them move in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that he wishes and do the things he wishes.

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<v Speaker 1>Also that he can see the number go up. Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg will do whatever he wants because he built a

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<v Speaker 1>system so that he could never be fired, giving him

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<v Speaker 1>unilateral power over a monopoly he designed to chew through

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<v Speaker 1>people's lives, turning them into fuel for Meta's money machine,

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and so he could get his rocks off looking at

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<v Speaker 1>and the numbers go up. Make no mistake, what Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg has done is monstrous, both in its damage to

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<v Speaker 1>society and its financial opulence. Facebook has made so many

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<v Speaker 1>people so rich in so many ways, and offered a

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<v Speaker 1>genuine societal service, and then it found every foreseeable way

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<v Speaker 1>to monetize every corner of our goddamn lives. Facebook's culture

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<v Speaker 1>is one of imprisonment and abuse, and it traps users

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<v Speaker 1>in engagement loops that tangibly harm them, something that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>is both well aware of and intentionally not seeking to remedy.

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately the software itself, the software behind Facebook, which

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<v Speaker 1>does have value in it in how it connects so

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<v Speaker 1>many people in so many ways. That software is a

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<v Speaker 1>prisoner of Mark Zuckerberg, who may or may not have

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<v Speaker 1>stolen the idea in the first place, making it just

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<v Speaker 1>another piece of data he's extracted through deeply shitty means.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, Facebook was a social good, something that

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to meaningful connections between human beings separated by time

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<v Speaker 1>and geography. During the Arab Spring, protesters in Cairo held

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<v Speaker 1>up banners that read, in a mixture of English and Arabic,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you Facebook. Similar sentiments a daubed on to the

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<v Speaker 1>wall of the headquarters of Tunisia's Ministery of the Interior,

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting its role as a facilitator and a neutral communications network. Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>even as leaked emails obtained by The Daily Beast revealed,

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<v Speaker 1>placed protests pages under special protection with a team providing

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to seven monitoring that, by the way, was

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. At least in this regard, Facebook seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to understand its role in the world and was prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of step up and own it. It refused

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<v Speaker 1>to bend the knee to Hosney Mubbarak and its horrible regime,

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<v Speaker 1>and on January twenty fifth, twenty eleven, was banned by

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<v Speaker 1>the Egyptian government two days before it shut down the

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<v Speaker 1>entire Internet. People used VPNs to get back on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but still Facebook used to mean something. Today, Facebook is

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<v Speaker 1>an example of everything wrong with the Internet and howgorithmic

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<v Speaker 1>iron maiden that nakedly cons users every minute, a parasite

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<v Speaker 1>that deprives creators of their audiences and users of their industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook has no principles or backbone, and it's no longer

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<v Speaker 1>a reliable tool for connecting people as it once was

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<v Speaker 1>during the pro democracy protests I previously mentioned. Whereas once

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<v Speaker 1>you could have made a plausible case that even underneath

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<v Speaker 1>its flaws, Facebook had an ember of morality, a smidgeon

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<v Speaker 1>of a care, It gave a tiny bit of a fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just no longer a coherent position. In a just world, Facebook, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>all metaproperties would be public utilities instead of becoming this

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<v Speaker 1>weird algorithmic fixation of a very strange multi billionaire weirdo. Sorry,

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't have called Mark Zuckerberger weirdo. You're right, that

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>just isn't harsh enough. Mark Zuckerberg is a goddamn monster.

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg is the opposite of what the tech industry

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<v Speaker 1>should stand for. He's a monopolist that deliberately makes and

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<v Speaker 1>proliferates bad software, and he makes the world worse for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook and Instagram are insults to every single software engineer

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Built to trick and swindle UNHRM rather

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<v Speaker 1>than provide any service. What Facebook and Instagram have become

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<v Speaker 1>is an insult to Silicon Valley. I may come off

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<v Speaker 1>as a pessimist sometime, but I'm actually a broken hearted romantic.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a time that Facebook had a measurable, meaningful,

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<v Speaker 1>and good effect on my life and billions of other

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>people's lives. There was a time this company had something

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<v Speaker 1>behind it. And even then, when I say this, I

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>realized two thousand and eights, when people you may know

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>went in, maybe it was always this bad, maybe they

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>were better at hiding it. But I'm not pessimistic about

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<v Speaker 1>this company because I want to be. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>a pessimist. I'm a fucking cynic. I'm a cynic because

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<v Speaker 1>I've read these documents. I've seen the way that this

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 1>company talks about the users. I've seen the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg has deliberately hurt them. I've seen them make

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<v Speaker 1>changes or choose not to make changes in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Project Daisy, because they wanted to keep things growing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've done so in a way that's made so

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<v Speaker 1>many horrible assholes so rich, and so many millions and

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<v Speaker 1>billions of people miserable. And Mark Zuckerberg is the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the person that puts out some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most popular and poorly made software in existence, and he

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<v Speaker 1>does so in a way that will continue to hurt

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<v Speaker 1>people until this company dies or until he's somehow removed, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've mentioned, is not possible. People in the tech industry,

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<v Speaker 1>people in society as well, should exile Zuckerberg. He should

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<v Speaker 1>not be welcomed in the circles of Silicon Valley. He

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be welcomed anywhere. This man owns a large chunk

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>of Hawaii. Make him piss off there and live alone,

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>or what you can live with this family obviously. Nevertheless,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>this man, he may not be a criminal, but he

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>is a scumbag. He is a person that has deliberately

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<v Speaker 1>made things worse so that he can be richer, so

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<v Speaker 1>that he can see a number go up. He is

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<v Speaker 1>the rot Emperor, and he deserves no good, he deserves

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>no happiness, and he deserves to have this platform taken

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>away from him. But it's never gonna happen. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the government mechanisms to have someone like Mark Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 1>remove from power. And because Sean Parker so desperately protected

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg's right to control everything, this is what you get.

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:56.719
<v Speaker 1>This is actually what a true horrifying monopoly does. It

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<v Speaker 1>hurts people, It manipulates people. It makes the worst people rich,

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and regular people poorer and sadder and more confused and

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>more lost and more disconnected and more unaware of the

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<v Speaker 1>world around them. It spreads conspiracies, It spread's lunacy, It

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<v Speaker 1>makes people unhappy, and it does so that so that

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg can add another fucking zero to another fucking

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<v Speaker 1>bank account. And it turns my goddamn stomach. And I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized across these episodes, I have been on one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been quite angry, I have been full of fury.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry if that isn't the right way to approach this,

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<v Speaker 1>And I've really done my best to come at this

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<v Speaker 1>from a researched and thoughtful perspective as well. But reading

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>this stuff has just so deeply angered me. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>deeply offended me. I did not know that tech companies

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<v Speaker 1>could be this craven. Or maybe I did, but I

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was kind of in denial. I don't know. But in

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:04.479
<v Speaker 1>reporting this, I have just been disgusted. And I've said

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 1>stomach churning at your turning or whatever it is a

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>few times, and it's true, though it is disgusting, I

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>actually love tech. I love this stuff. I find it

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<v Speaker 1>intellectually interesting. Take was how I got this job and

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>many jobs before it. Tech was something that meant something.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something about building great software and great hardware,

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<v Speaker 1>ways to connect people, make people able to do more things.

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<v Speaker 1>What Mark Zuckerberg stands for is a deep nihilism in tech,

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>where it isn't about building better things or connecting more people,

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 1>where it isn't about making the world better or more

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>aware or more educated, or giving them more access to

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>more things. No, it's about decay. It's about rot. It's

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>about growing nothing from nothing, again and again, and now

0:35:55.600 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Facebook and Instagram are poisoned with generative AI bullshit thanks

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 1>to Mark Zuckerberg, a man with no creativity other than

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>that which makes people dance for him to increase numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>This man is a goddamn disgrace and his company is

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<v Speaker 1>a disgrace too. The world deserves better than Mark Zuckerberg.

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