Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Well, hello, hello, Hello, Hello, call It crew,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is?
Speaker 1: Call It What? Call It a Very Special Grades Anatomy guest,
Speaker 1: we have a guy. God, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: Just like here, look good? Just my makeup? Look Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know we have a man on board.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: Because we have a man, we got to ask the
Speaker 1: boy question, which is does Harry think the boys and
Speaker 1: girls oh can just be friends?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, you really you're hanging on
Speaker 4: to that. You need it all I need?
Speaker 1: I need all that. Listen, I'm gonna keep it going. Yep,
Speaker 1: okay going. We have Harry Harry Shum Jr. And when
Speaker 1: he joined our cast, I had not worked with him before.
Speaker 1: And what an incredible actor, incredible light he brings. He
Speaker 1: is so fun, he's the kindest, he's he's a quadruple
Speaker 1: million threat. And he plays Blue, an intern on our
Speaker 1: show right now who is entangled in a lot of
Speaker 1: romance entangling and is our cocky intern. He has a
Speaker 1: lot of really funny one liners and I got to
Speaker 1: say that. From the first table read with him. I
Speaker 1: was like, yep, I can see where the cast him.
Speaker 1: I love that. Oh an instant magic.
Speaker 4: I don't mind a slow burn, but I like a
Speaker 4: little instant magic too.
Speaker 1: He a little instant magic. And I text him and
Speaker 1: I was like, will you come on the podcast? And
Speaker 1: he was like yes, and so here we are.
Speaker 2: Here, we are.
Speaker 1: We're bringing the heat, We're bringing the sexy, We're bringing
Speaker 1: the hair vice Harry Spice, let's bring in the hairy.
Speaker 1: I think let's bring them in and we can get
Speaker 1: into it because I have a list of five million questions.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we just did a little intro about you.
Speaker 2: We did what we did amazing.
Speaker 4: I mean it's just the list goes on and on.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't think it's not a single threat,
Speaker 4: not a double, not a triple.
Speaker 1: It's more than a quadruple. It's almost annoying. What don't
Speaker 1: you do? And also you've won awards for it. Can
Speaker 1: not only do it, but you win awards for it, You've.
Speaker 2: Been nominated you.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is. I read your resume in preparation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you, but I want to throw
Speaker 1: a good she read about you. She knows you, but
Speaker 1: she also read about you.
Speaker 2: I am honored.
Speaker 3: I also honored when you when you asked me, I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I've listened to the podcast and it's
Speaker 3: so wonderful. And I remember, you know when when you
Speaker 3: told us in the group text that you were doing,
Speaker 3: and I just thought it was it was perfect, especially
Speaker 3: youtubes getting to meet you Jessica very recently, you know,
Speaker 3: when you came back, it was it's just so neat
Speaker 3: to be talking to y'all. And you know, one thing
Speaker 3: I want to add to that, which is actually my
Speaker 3: prouder moment right now. Beyond all is clean. I don't
Speaker 3: know what I'm telling you, guys. I was on the
Speaker 3: roof this morning cleaning out the gutters of my house
Speaker 3: and I was very proud of it.
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, look at those look at these
Speaker 2: pristine gutters.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 2: Anyways, it was really good.
Speaker 1: Excited about As you get older, though, yeah, as you
Speaker 1: get only are like, look at those gutters.
Speaker 4: Like I said, sexy gutter talk. He's cleaning his own gutters.
Speaker 1: Do you understand how sexy that is? We need picture,
Speaker 1: This could be a whole calendar. Actually, next level, I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Crab walks like on the slanted roots and making sure.
Speaker 4: I know oh oh yeah, I bet there was a
Speaker 4: song on and it was like in time too, because
Speaker 4: we know where you started, and maybe a drone camera
Speaker 4: that was getting it edit together.
Speaker 2: Done that. Ye.
Speaker 1: Next time, we told the fans that you were coming.
Speaker 1: We told the listeners, the call at crew, we call
Speaker 1: them the crew know you were coming, and they asked
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. So if you don't mind, we
Speaker 1: got to dive in.
Speaker 2: I'm scared, but I really no.
Speaker 4: No, let me let me tell you because I've seen
Speaker 4: a peek around the corner. You have nothing to be
Speaker 4: afraid of. You have nothing to be afraid of. If
Speaker 4: the questions that are coming to you came to me,
Speaker 4: I would feel like I was doing something right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I start with the one that I love
Speaker 1: the most? Okay, go start with one. Do you love
Speaker 1: the mask? Because it's just really to the point. Yeah, Harry,
Speaker 1: why are you so fine?
Speaker 3: We do that?
Speaker 1: It is a legit question. That's a question. Is there
Speaker 1: a skincare routine?
Speaker 2: They want to know?
Speaker 1: That's a different question. Oh, but I answer the first question,
Speaker 1: which is why are you so fine?
Speaker 3: How do you even answer that? I mean, I'm my
Speaker 3: mental being is fine. Emotionally I'm fine. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that helps with everything.
Speaker 1: Else, like how your mother probably had something to do
Speaker 1: with it, my.
Speaker 3: Mother and father, and I'll say skincare routine is definitely
Speaker 3: my wife. I was, I was washing my face with
Speaker 3: bars of soap like just you.
Speaker 2: Know, just just dudes do.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was gonna say very manly.
Speaker 3: Water you know water, water is nice and no moisturizer
Speaker 3: because you know you drink water, I guess, and that
Speaker 3: that thought process.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that.
Speaker 3: If I didn't have that, I probably would have been
Speaker 3: I don't even know how actually fine, the fine lines
Speaker 3: would have.
Speaker 1: Shown yeah fine versus fine lines. Okay, I've asked my question.
Speaker 1: I love that is that really was a question. That's
Speaker 1: really funny. Okay, a lot of Glee questions, Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so can we I want to know personally how what
Speaker 1: the casting process was for Glee because I and then
Speaker 1: you told me a story about what your character initially
Speaker 1: got bought on for, and then how like the trajectory
Speaker 1: of being on the show for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 3: You try to look at everything in hindsight and you
Speaker 3: think it was you know, it was meant to be.
Speaker 3: These things happened, But honestly, I shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have been where I was.
Speaker 3: You know, most of the time, is it's luck right
Speaker 3: when you're you're When we talk about this, there's always
Speaker 3: a debate like is it luck or is it preparation?
Speaker 3: Is it? Like? What what? What?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And and and for that, I was in very on
Speaker 2: a Saturday.
Speaker 3: My grandma passed away that week and I went up
Speaker 3: to a funeral, uh to San Francisco and with my family,
Speaker 3: and I get a call. I was like, well, there's
Speaker 3: this audition for this show Glee. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. And Ryan Murphy, I
Speaker 3: wasn't too familiar with him. I didn't watch Nip Tuck
Speaker 3: and and my my wife was I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: have you heard the show Glee? And I was like,
Speaker 3: I think you worked on something. So she worked on
Speaker 3: as a dancer on the pilot, and she and it
Speaker 3: was it was She's like, so many dancers worked on it.
Speaker 2: It's a singing show.
Speaker 3: And I was like I don't sing, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: they want you to dance, and I was like okay.
Speaker 3: And then and then I went in and read some
Speaker 3: lines for it was meant for Finn, which Cory Monte's character,
Speaker 3: and I read his line, you know, his sides, and
Speaker 3: it was auditioned.
Speaker 2: I had to sing. I sang Love by Nat King
Speaker 2: Cole because that was what was I guess, do you
Speaker 2: have to sing it? Like?
Speaker 1: Was there any like pianists in the room.
Speaker 2: With you or was it just like it was a
Speaker 2: a capella?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, And that was like kind of like a
Speaker 3: like a talk songy like like you could kind of
Speaker 3: mess around. I was like, I'm spelling words. I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't mess this up the lyrics because I was
Speaker 3: always definitely afraid of messing with Like if I can.
Speaker 2: Spell love, I'm okay. And then I say that they're
Speaker 2: just like okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Was Ryan Murphy in the room when you did the audition?
Speaker 2: It wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Robert Oulrich, who you know, was a big big you
Speaker 3: know which of you cast cast out grays as well?
Speaker 3: And he, you know, he really really helped me out
Speaker 3: through it because I didn't know what was I was
Speaker 3: auditioning for usually when you you don't know fully, but
Speaker 3: even as a character, I was like, this is not
Speaker 3: for a character that I'm basing it off of nothing.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was also I feel like that I feel
Speaker 1: like we hadn't really seen a show like that on TV.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's also the tone of the show. It's like hard
Speaker 1: to figure out before it's airing because it wasn't airing yet, right,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 4: And it was sort of one of the first of
Speaker 4: its I mean, I feel like that's what I came
Speaker 4: after it. But yeah, I mean I can imagine it
Speaker 4: being hard to imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last show that attempted to do this or
Speaker 3: did this was a cop Rock. I believe from what
Speaker 3: I heard, you know, that that went full on like
Speaker 3: musical as a TV show.
Speaker 2: And I might be wrong. I'm you know, there's other
Speaker 2: shows that came out that had musical elements. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the blueprint for it, in my
Speaker 1: mind would have been Fame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was before that was I think that
Speaker 3: was before then and cop Rock. You got a YouTube
Speaker 3: cop Rock. It's it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's like, is this a show that made it to air?
Speaker 2: It made it to air. I think it was CBS. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's cops singing about the criminal.
Speaker 1: It's like, how many seasons did this show have?
Speaker 2: Oh? Very I think it barely made it past.
Speaker 1: The season just because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's actually fascinating and it was actually really good. It
Speaker 3: was just jarring for I think the public was like,
Speaker 3: why are these cops singing?
Speaker 1: But it makes sense. The high schoolers are singing, I know,
Speaker 1: and it's a Greek club. It's a Greek club.
Speaker 4: But it's also just the most perfect that there's very
Speaker 4: I mean, clearly they're successful, but these new ways of
Speaker 4: imagining things and these showrunners that come up with these
Speaker 4: perfect environments for so much story, right, Like you come
Speaker 4: up with the Glee Club and you pack it full
Speaker 4: of all these characters with backstories that put them as such,
Speaker 4: unlikely friends, as such, unlikely like combinations, but they're.
Speaker 1: All bound by this. I'm in a high school experience,
Speaker 1: which is everyone is untethered.
Speaker 4: And then I think that the thing that I just
Speaker 4: thought was so genius was you're taking all this incredibly
Speaker 4: familiar and beloved music, so.
Speaker 1: It's not like you you know, I mean, how much
Speaker 1: money did they spend on getting those songs? I mean
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: I just didn't understand sometimes I would like, how do
Speaker 2: we how are we getting these? So I mean it's the.
Speaker 3: Power of like, you know, one thing I want to
Speaker 3: say to it was written. The first season was written
Speaker 3: by three people, like it was just Ryan, Brad and Ian.
Speaker 3: They were the right, they were the writer's room, like
Speaker 3: they were turning these out and and which allowed like
Speaker 3: you know, the humor to be what it was, the
Speaker 3: storylines to be what they were because you know, they
Speaker 3: it was between the three of them, and you know
Speaker 3: it is I guess you know in UK that they
Speaker 3: have you know, one shot, one writer basically writing most
Speaker 3: of the show. So it felt kind of that energy
Speaker 3: kind of going back and forth. But on top of it,
Speaker 3: the songs having it was relevant to the storyline. And
Speaker 3: and then these not just the original like they were
Speaker 3: popular songs, And I think it was the full force
Speaker 3: of like, you know, the twentieth century and and really
Speaker 3: coming in and saying, hey, we're going to double down
Speaker 3: and make sure you guys get exactly what what is
Speaker 3: needed as far as the songs go. So that was
Speaker 3: that was really neat to be around that, and and
Speaker 3: also songs that I've never heard in my life that
Speaker 3: were popular. I was a learning experience for me too,
Speaker 3: Like I wasn't a Broadway kid, so like learning a
Speaker 3: lot of these Broadway songs through that show was fascinating.
Speaker 2: And while having Christian channel with in front of us.
Speaker 1: Scene we had heard on the show, we had show
Speaker 1: It's amazing, She's the best.
Speaker 4: Now that I've dipped back into my Glee love, I
Speaker 4: just needed this is something I wondered. I don't understand
Speaker 4: how you all had enough hours in the day to
Speaker 4: do what you needed to do, because normally, when we're
Speaker 4: on a show, we get a scene and when we rehearse,
Speaker 4: and the rehearsal takes usually not upwards of fifteen twenty
Speaker 4: minutes to rehearse, and then we put down the marks
Speaker 4: and then we go get finished getting ready, and we
Speaker 4: come back and we shoot the scene.
Speaker 1: But you all have.
Speaker 4: Sometimes incredibly complicated dance numbers. You're lip syncing to playback
Speaker 4: like you're also acting in a scene.
Speaker 1: Like how did those days go?
Speaker 2: Were they just never?
Speaker 1: Did you rehearse separately?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 1: I do want to know this. I heard rumors at
Speaker 1: the time where that you guys are working weekends. I
Speaker 1: remember hearing that, like the Glee class work weekends.
Speaker 3: I will say, and you know, I haven't been on
Speaker 3: every show like no one, no one has. But I
Speaker 3: would say from other people also saying who have worked
Speaker 3: on many many shows during that time, is this was unprecedented?
Speaker 3: Like it was there's no other show that did this?
Speaker 3: What you if you were, you know, shooting these long
Speaker 3: sequences with when you're talking about the dance sequences, they
Speaker 3: would take six seven hours just to shoot one song,
Speaker 3: sometimes sometimes a whole day, and then you might fill
Speaker 3: in one scene and then if you have double up days.
Speaker 2: My gosh, like that was nuts.
Speaker 3: But then you'd also have to dip into rehearsals and
Speaker 3: sometimes rehearsals just imagine trying to schedule the whole cast
Speaker 3: to get on this rehearsal and you might only have
Speaker 3: two hours or an hour, and a lot of times
Speaker 3: you might have an hour.
Speaker 2: Or two before you shoot.
Speaker 3: So you know, when you think you come in at
Speaker 3: at you know, six am to put makeup on, think
Speaker 3: about coming at like five am to learn the dance
Speaker 3: that you have to perform that same day. Sometimes because
Speaker 3: that was the only way that the puzzle pieces would
Speaker 3: work together. And it took like a lot of honestly
Speaker 3: talented crew to be able to say, this is the
Speaker 3: only way that is going to work, and let's all
Speaker 3: like try and make this happen. Meanwhile, you know a
Speaker 3: lot of the cat I didn't have to do that
Speaker 3: as much because I didn't sing as much on the
Speaker 3: on the show, but like the other cast members that
Speaker 3: did had to go and do pre records and then
Speaker 3: come back and shoot.
Speaker 2: Like it was just a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Where you guys were filming on your set. Were you
Speaker 1: able to record songs there or did you have to
Speaker 1: go to a different location.
Speaker 3: So they'd have to go sometimes to Jim Henson. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it would it would bounce around, so you'd have to
Speaker 3: go somewhere else. Because we shot on Paramount, you know,
Speaker 3: it only so much can be done there, you know,
Speaker 3: and we'd have we'd have tin Shed, which was a lot.
Speaker 3: It was like one of those smaller rehearsal spaces and
Speaker 3: and you know, as as the numbers got bigger, we
Speaker 3: had to get a bigger space that allowed us.
Speaker 2: That was that took over half a stage.
Speaker 3: I think we took over like four stages for the show,
Speaker 3: which is similar to kind of grades Grays does that
Speaker 3: you know, and and so that that looked very familiar
Speaker 3: to me. But the fact that Paramount they just took
Speaker 3: a big chunk of it was I look at that
Speaker 3: and it was like a boot camp.
Speaker 2: It was just so it was so neat.
Speaker 3: It was chaotic, but also neat to look back, because
Speaker 3: it prepared me. And I'm talking about uh and I
Speaker 3: think for a lot of us to just like everything
Speaker 3: else becomes a little easier just because.
Speaker 4: Well, guess what, I was a viewer and I appreciated
Speaker 4: every single second of it.
Speaker 1: I loved it, loved it.
Speaker 2: Loved it.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to you audition though really quick.
Speaker 1: So you did your audition and.
Speaker 3: Then what happened The real, the real skinny here is
Speaker 3: that they needed to dance. They needed two dancers to like,
Speaker 3: they needed to cast two dancers because a lot of
Speaker 3: the actors, they they didn't come from dance background. You know,
Speaker 3: they didn't have a dance background.
Speaker 2: There are an incredible performers, incredible singers, so the focus
Speaker 2: wasn't on dancing.
Speaker 3: And you know a lot of times when they're I
Speaker 3: would say, even forced to dance, to put these numbers
Speaker 3: together on such a short period of time. Usually just
Speaker 3: imagine if you like, say, hey, you need to learn
Speaker 3: this dance, you can perform it tomorrow, like in these
Speaker 3: full on numbers, and not just one, but like three,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're not talking about heavy quirest but
Speaker 3: even just like walking here, moving here, and these things
Speaker 3: while remembering your lines, while remember of the song.
Speaker 2: It's it's a lot to take in. So I was
Speaker 2: really hired along with another cast member.
Speaker 5: I'm as as just someone who can they can either
Speaker 5: cut away to or like be in the front so
Speaker 5: they can also follow along and play a sort of
Speaker 5: a side character.
Speaker 3: So that's what I was kind of told as far
Speaker 3: as like one of the uz Zach Woodley choreographer. And
Speaker 3: then it just kind of took its own shape when
Speaker 3: I when I booked it, I didn't know how long
Speaker 3: I was gonna be there. I thought I booked one episode,
Speaker 3: and then you know, I knew Heather Morris, and I
Speaker 3: knew Kevin McHale and Diana Agron from just you know,
Speaker 3: being around town, and and then we just you start
Speaker 3: to form this relationship and everyone just starts to really
Speaker 3: feed off each other's energy. And it was so cool
Speaker 3: because I was like, we all knew what we were
Speaker 3: to this group and that was neat and we accepted
Speaker 3: each other for that but also moved in that way.
Speaker 3: And I just I always remember that that being such
Speaker 3: a beautiful energy and and you know, for me, I
Speaker 3: was it's a singing show.
Speaker 2: But then like Ryan Murphy saying, hey, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna I'm gonna put the song in there and you're
Speaker 3: gonna sing it and it's about you not being able
Speaker 3: to sing, and I was like, Okay, I did do that.
Speaker 3: And then going to pre record, going through that process
Speaker 3: and then like going through vocal training, learning and being
Speaker 3: around it was just it was a very magical experience
Speaker 3: in that record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you just because you're you're just a
Speaker 2: kid again.
Speaker 3: You know, you're playing high school at twenty something again
Speaker 3: and get to relive that. Yeah, you get to relive that,
Speaker 3: and but doing it in a way where it's on
Speaker 3: this grand stage and you know, and even off off
Speaker 3: the show going being able to do these tours.
Speaker 1: I know you guys toured in your hiatus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we toured on a hiatus.
Speaker 3: We we we So you know when you say it
Speaker 3: was like back to back, but it's kind of crunched
Speaker 3: up into like this experience that you probably never have again.
Speaker 2: You know, we just we just we just won't you know.
Speaker 2: We were we sold out O two and I mean,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, the O two in London. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Three, we had three sold out shows and we like
Speaker 3: broke a record for the most foot traffic and the
Speaker 3: O two and that was the three days that Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson was supposed to reform before he passed away. So
Speaker 3: it's like all these little things that we get to
Speaker 3: kind of be a part of that. You know, I
Speaker 3: look back and it's just like I can't believe we
Speaker 3: got to do that.
Speaker 1: You have so many amazing guest stars on the show.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 2: Wow? There's so many.
Speaker 3: I mean like Christian Channel has really stood out because
Speaker 3: it was one of those people that that you knew
Speaker 3: about and I wasn't like I didn't know everything about her,
Speaker 3: but once you met her, you're like, I want to
Speaker 3: consume everything that that you've been a part of. And
Speaker 3: Christian Channel was was was really really wonderful, and you know,
Speaker 3: Ricky Martin was was really was really awesome, just because
Speaker 3: you know, I grew up in the TRL days and
Speaker 3: then just Ricky in front of it, and then getting.
Speaker 2: To dance with him. Oh god. And I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just so.
Speaker 3: Many and I can't even like, you know, even Gwyneth
Speaker 3: Paltrow coming in and sitting there and honestly just having conversations.
Speaker 2: You know what, Steve, you know what was He wasn't.
Speaker 3: A guest star, but there was this moment we were
Speaker 3: all sitting around and you know, I think it was
Speaker 3: a third of third season, and it's one of those
Speaker 3: days where it was it was one of those big
Speaker 3: group numbers, and then comes this guy with sunglasses sits
Speaker 3: down with it.
Speaker 2: I was like, who is this random dude? And he's
Speaker 2: just sitting there like, hey, what are you doing guys?
Speaker 2: And we're like, oh, hey, you know, we didn't no
Speaker 2: one recognize them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then we started talking and then he's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: really really awesome that you guys.
Speaker 2: You know, use the song blah blah blah. And we're like,
Speaker 2: what is this guy talking about? And we're trying to
Speaker 2: all figure it out, and it was him. It was
Speaker 2: seemed very like, I know, because.
Speaker 1: You don't stop believing, like the first season.
Speaker 3: Which is which is you know, when you think of
Speaker 3: the show, you think of that song, and that was
Speaker 3: a song that kind of really got captured people's like
Speaker 3: love for the show. And so it's like these you know,
Speaker 3: it was a very cultural significant show. But seeing people
Speaker 3: from all walks of life come in and not just
Speaker 3: one genre of me really be able.
Speaker 2: To to rub shoulders, it was just so neat experience. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a very neat experience, Harry. I was.
Speaker 1: I was waiting tables at the time when you were
Speaker 1: doing this, and I remember very distinctively having the soundtrack,
Speaker 1: because the soundtrack came out and you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was the windows at your car,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like seeing all of it, you know,
Speaker 1: and I listened to it every single day on my
Speaker 1: way to work. And then I just became obsessed because
Speaker 1: then you guys did Rocky Horror, and that was so
Speaker 1: like there were so many times that I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I like their version better than the real song. You
Speaker 1: know what's funny.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, I had those that I mean,
Speaker 4: they must have come out like CDs or would go
Speaker 4: live or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some are starting to come yere.
Speaker 4: I remember I was finally starting to make it in
Speaker 4: the world, and I had I had an all all house.
Speaker 1: You could press a button.
Speaker 4: There was like a wall thing where you would could
Speaker 4: press different like functions for music to come out the speakers,
Speaker 4: and I remember being able.
Speaker 1: To blast the Glee soundtrack.
Speaker 4: And I remember I would always do when I was
Speaker 4: like cleaning up after my son, who was just teeny tiny,
Speaker 4: I'd like cleaning up the toy the like the playroom,
Speaker 4: and I'd be like singing and dancing in my own life.
Speaker 1: All it was super fun.
Speaker 2: It's really neat.
Speaker 1: No, it's incredible. I want to We did get a
Speaker 1: lot of questions because I think I can say this
Speaker 1: because some of your cast members ended up writing, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of tell all books basically, and so it's no
Speaker 1: secret that there was a clash of personalities on your set.
Speaker 1: Did it make it difficult sometimes to film or do
Speaker 1: you feel like it kind of came par for the
Speaker 1: course because you guys were all so young and you
Speaker 1: were in each other's faces twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2: Like you know, yeah, it's I think it's part for
Speaker 2: the course.
Speaker 3: So I think you have you have incredibly talented people
Speaker 3: come together, which is usually the case for when you know,
Speaker 3: you try and make a show or something that you
Speaker 3: hope you hope people like. And I think one of
Speaker 3: the one of the draws of the show, beyond the music,
Speaker 3: was you identified with certain characters.
Speaker 2: You know they they came from. You know, there's a hardship,
Speaker 2: there was you know, some turmoil, but also.
Speaker 3: Like some hattiness, some all these things that humor the
Speaker 3: cultural background and and and being kind of very honest
Speaker 3: with it too, which you know, I think the show
Speaker 3: really did. And that's like you just said, it's it's
Speaker 3: bound to happen when you put people together. Just there's
Speaker 3: no no different from family and and I would think
Speaker 3: really good friends uh being around each other and but
Speaker 3: but the difference is that it's on display and people
Speaker 3: are are trying to manipulate certain stories to be.
Speaker 2: Able to I guess service their their own agenda.
Speaker 3: And that's unfortunate to see when you know, I saw
Speaker 3: a lot of my friend and go through that and
Speaker 3: not have any not not being able to resolve that
Speaker 3: on their own, but having that kind of trying to
Speaker 3: be resolved from other people. And it's I think it's
Speaker 3: very difficult, especially on international But it wasn't just that
Speaker 3: it was an internationally like I I look at a
Speaker 3: lot of like pop stars and you know, even actors,
Speaker 3: but really the pop stars that that it's just it's
Speaker 3: just difficult, man, It's just difficult lead uh, somewhat like
Speaker 3: normal life, which is not normal at all, normal in
Speaker 3: the sense of like just being at like a balance
Speaker 3: like emotionally, mentally and physically. It's it's very demanding while
Speaker 3: still trying to perform, you know, like I always this
Speaker 3: is one thing I I I learned from this experience.
Speaker 3: You anybody with given a chance that can focus on
Speaker 3: one thing they can be excellent at is I think
Speaker 3: very easy. But if you have to juggle while trying
Speaker 3: to be a son, be a father, be a friend,
Speaker 3: be you know, a daughter or whatever, all those things,
Speaker 3: if you try and be even decent at all of them,
Speaker 3: that's actually very very hard. And that's a lot harder
Speaker 3: while trying to be excellent at this thing. So, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that that says a lot about a lot
Speaker 3: of performers when they say I'm going to pour my
Speaker 3: whole soul into this craft and be amazing at it,
Speaker 3: a lot of.
Speaker 2: Things are going to give way.
Speaker 3: Right, You're not going to be able to focus on
Speaker 3: your relationships with people, and that's what we usually see
Speaker 3: in your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Speaker 1: It's there's no such thing as balance. You can't balance everything.
Speaker 4: You can't be equal parts great at being a mother
Speaker 4: or a father and a son and a performer and
Speaker 4: a friend. Like on any given day, you might be
Speaker 4: really good at one of them, right, there's gonna be
Speaker 4: other ones that you had to kind of like leave
Speaker 4: by themselves for a little bit. So I think that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, when you're that successful, and you know, because
Speaker 4: this is how our business is built.
Speaker 1: It's like when you've got a shot, you take your shot.
Speaker 4: Like when you have success, you keep going, you don't,
Speaker 4: you know, It's always why it's always so shocking when
Speaker 4: you find, you know, people do leave something that's super successful.
Speaker 1: You're like, how could they do that? It's usually not done.
Speaker 4: So there's a reason why you keep going and you
Speaker 4: have weekend rehearsals and you just you know, you just
Speaker 4: keep going.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sounds a cliche, but love is like literally the only
Speaker 3: thing that like can resolve a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of these things, and not just from us as performers,
Speaker 3: which is a big part of but like the people
Speaker 3: who are who are taking that in the audiences too.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, we watch TV to comfort us
Speaker 3: or or disturb us if we're too comfortable. You know,
Speaker 3: that's kind of like it's really I think that's what
Speaker 3: art is, right. It's really like, if you're too comfortable,
Speaker 3: you need to watch something.
Speaker 1: For Glee in particular, there has been a lot lot
Speaker 1: of tragedy surrounding that cast.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Are you able to go back and watch the episodes
Speaker 1: and feel joy while watching it or is it something
Speaker 1: that you sort of can't do anymore?
Speaker 2: I had, you know, I just dealt with the recent
Speaker 2: death as well as a family member and my thought
Speaker 2: process and that is now you mourn them, you grieve,
Speaker 2: and I think also a part of the grieving process
Speaker 2: is to celebrate them as well. And I think because
Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, and not to say that
Speaker 2: that that sadness is going to go away, because I
Speaker 2: don't think it really should. I think it should stay
Speaker 2: because you.
Speaker 1: Do care about I don't think grief goes away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it needs to stay.
Speaker 3: But it's a matter of how you kind of do
Speaker 3: the back and forth that the dance with with with
Speaker 3: with with the joy that you the memories and that
Speaker 3: you did did have. So you know, I I I'm
Speaker 3: able to watch and celebrate, like I look at like
Speaker 3: uh A nia Quorreate and and and Mark and and
Speaker 3: and look at the beautiful work that they put in
Speaker 3: and the humor that they brought to to so many
Speaker 3: of of of what the show really is, you know,
Speaker 3: and then you can you can look at what it
Speaker 3: could have been and unfortunately, like you know, the past
Speaker 3: is the way it is and you can't really do
Speaker 3: much to change that outside of right now, and and
Speaker 3: to to to celebrate how many lives that they affected,
Speaker 3: how many people that got some joy from from their
Speaker 3: their performances and songs that will live on forever. And
Speaker 3: when you say, like some songs, I always you know
Speaker 3: whether it's better or not better than the original, I
Speaker 3: think what happens it's more of what emotional attachment you
Speaker 3: had to that which makes it better. Right Like you
Speaker 3: might have heard a song you're like cool, and then
Speaker 3: you saw an episode or how they sing and you're
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, I love this version way
Speaker 3: more because it really penetrates something in your heart and
Speaker 3: send like well, I don't even I can't even listen
Speaker 3: to the original anymore, or or it goes back to
Speaker 3: say like oh man, no, I didn't know this much
Speaker 3: about the original. So it makes you go back and
Speaker 3: back track. And I think that's that's the cool part
Speaker 3: of this show. It's not about we did it better.
Speaker 3: It's more about, wow, look at look at how good
Speaker 3: this song was. And look and that's just been like
Speaker 3: what music was when you think of Frank Sinatra. This
Speaker 3: dude was singing just you know, covers have to cover,
Speaker 3: but he made it his own and he did it
Speaker 3: and it's something that you think it's a Frank Sinatra song.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, no, no, that was like thirty years before.
Speaker 1: For sure. No, I mean you guys did an amazing job.
Speaker 1: For sure. Absolutely, you're right. I became attached to songs
Speaker 1: and they meant more to me because of the characters
Speaker 1: involved in them. Now that's part of this love story
Speaker 1: or part of this anguish that's happening in the story,
Speaker 1: and now it means so much more. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It was appointment TV for me. I'd watch it on
Speaker 1: the night. Well, the whole world loved it. Also, you guys,
Speaker 1: I mean to your to all of your defense is
Speaker 1: you know, with any drama or anything that when I
Speaker 1: do said, you guys are shot out of a cannon
Speaker 1: into fame. It was like it's not just a TV
Speaker 1: show that you know, won awards and did great. It
Speaker 1: was like a pop culture phenomenon and that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: a lot. And I can't imagine that experience. You joined
Speaker 1: Grey's Anatomy and you happened to be in an Oscar
Speaker 1: winning movie at the same time. So we need to
Speaker 1: talk about I've never heard of the oscars. Apparently they're
Speaker 1: great and they mean something. And you got to work
Speaker 1: with Key Oh my gosh, isn't he the best? He is.
Speaker 3: When you talk about someone you want to work with
Speaker 3: like that, he is definitely like the face of it,
Speaker 3: and you look on like if you're on like a
Speaker 3: dictionary and it's like who like the word of just
Speaker 3: I would say honestly perfect in the sense of like
Speaker 3: this man is just like giant heart. He's a hard worker.
Speaker 3: He is so he is so empathetic towards like just
Speaker 3: like what everyone else is doing. He's so caring and
Speaker 3: obviously just brilliant performer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so hard won right because so I met
Speaker 4: him when he was teeny tiny. He was well he
Speaker 4: and I I guess he was a little bit older,
Speaker 4: but he was playing short round in Indiana Jones and
Speaker 4: the Temple of Doom, where my mother was playing Willie Scott,
Speaker 4: so she so he and I were like the kids.
Speaker 2: It makes sense now, wow, amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, remember how Steven spiel works, just the
Speaker 1: whole thing, that whole thing.
Speaker 4: So that's how we met, and we were the kids
Speaker 4: on set and really like his hero and his role
Speaker 4: model on the set was Harrison Ford or Indiana Jone.
Speaker 1: And then my hero or my role model was my
Speaker 1: own mother. He had an actual job.
Speaker 4: I was just along for the ride, but we would
Speaker 4: memorize all the adults lines, so like I would re
Speaker 4: memorize my mom's lines, and he really cute.
Speaker 2: I never knew that it was incredible.
Speaker 4: We would do like and and then I would like
Speaker 4: I remember learning her whole like song and dance number,
Speaker 4: and like it would be like I'd do it in
Speaker 4: all the languages, so I'd be like e wong e
Speaker 4: luchu chu, and I'd be like coming down the thing
Speaker 4: in my mind, and then he would be I know, yeah,
Speaker 4: he had his whole family there and he was I
Speaker 4: mean a kid, we were both kids, and.
Speaker 1: Then you know, uh, you know, life goes on and
Speaker 1: it was such a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I mean I always had such you know, affection, and
Speaker 4: then there was obviously Gooni's and all the other stuff,
Speaker 4: but you know, not like in daily life, just but
Speaker 4: just like one of those people where no matter how
Speaker 4: much time would ever have passed, we would have shared
Speaker 4: something so unique and like you just said, Harry, there's
Speaker 4: the top note for him is this unbelievable openness and
Speaker 4: kindness and his face just like and also like no
Speaker 4: self consciousness around that, right, Like some people kind of
Speaker 4: feel like, well I shouldn't be so open or I
Speaker 4: shouldn't be so you know, I shouldn't reveal that I
Speaker 4: have this vulnerable aspect of me. And he's like no,
Speaker 4: he's wearing it all. Like remember when during the Oscars
Speaker 4: he would just take.
Speaker 1: Pictures with everyone. He did like selfies with everyone. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you know when you were making the movie like
Speaker 1: this is this is amazing and this is probably going
Speaker 1: to go the distance we see gold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not making the movie, I knew. I knew I
Speaker 3: was a fan of the Daniels in the music video days.
Speaker 3: And I got to work with him on Nor from
Speaker 3: Queen's Aqua Finis Show because they directed an episode, and
Speaker 3: I was just I was fanboying because I you know,
Speaker 3: I come from a dance background and industry, so like
Speaker 3: any director that was doing anything interesting with dance, I
Speaker 3: was just all all on board. So being able to
Speaker 3: work with them, and.
Speaker 2: Then you know, came this.
Speaker 3: That's why I always think, like, you know, I never
Speaker 3: foresaw like, hey, I want to work in a movie
Speaker 3: in the day with the Daniels other than just me
Speaker 3: fan boying. And then I get a call to work
Speaker 3: with them, uh, to play at you know, one of
Speaker 3: the raccoons kind of a human Uh, I guess robot
Speaker 3: you want to call it now?
Speaker 5: But like.
Speaker 3: Playing Chad and in this and and having like the
Speaker 3: movement that they were a fan of mine and just
Speaker 3: being able.
Speaker 2: To work on it, that alone was just enough for me,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And then and then on top of it to know
Speaker 3: that Michelle was working on it, and then on top
Speaker 3: of it he was working on and then I just
Speaker 3: worked with Stephanie on North from Queen, so it's just
Speaker 3: like this kind of like this, these pieces coming together.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, this is this has
Speaker 3: unheard of, Like, well, whatever, how what other movie you
Speaker 3: would be able to work on some like this where
Speaker 3: I have a raccoon on my head, Michelle's on top
Speaker 3: of on top of my shoulders, and then I'm on
Speaker 3: top of her shoulders like no other place, So that
Speaker 3: alone would have been so neat. And I remember during
Speaker 3: lunch when you know, that was the first time I
Speaker 3: met Jamie Lee Curtis and she was in her kind
Speaker 3: of gray hair outfit, and I remember we all sat
Speaker 3: down quietly because the Daniels are like, our editor are
Speaker 3: working on one sequence.
Speaker 2: We want to show everyone.
Speaker 3: This was in the middle of shooting the movie out
Speaker 3: in Seemi Valley, and then they show keys fanny Pack
Speaker 3: fight sequence and literally I was like, I did not
Speaker 3: expect this. I never seen anything like this. And I
Speaker 3: was like, how are you guys releasing this? Please tell
Speaker 3: me it's in this movie theater. So they're like yes,
Speaker 3: I'm like that's when I knew.
Speaker 2: I was like this thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was gonna win Oscars do any
Speaker 3: of that, but I knew it was going to be
Speaker 3: very successful. And then when all those other kind of
Speaker 3: accolades came, that was, you know, the cherry on top
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: We were on this sete grades now and people don't
Speaker 1: know this, but we decorated our little holding room all
Speaker 1: Oscar style for hair. Oh that was so sweeting and
Speaker 1: it was really cute.
Speaker 2: All that we were.
Speaker 1: Everyone was so excited, and we felt like you were
Speaker 1: ours at that point, because you're we'd stolen you and
Speaker 1: your own grays anatomy, and so we kind of felt
Speaker 1: part of it in our own way too, and we
Speaker 1: were just so excited for you guys.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: That said that, said that, that whole week was just
Speaker 3: I can't one one that I'm saying, like, even the Grace,
Speaker 3: It's one of the loveliest sets I've ever been on, honest,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, it's just it really says
Speaker 3: a lot about you know, one, it takes time to
Speaker 3: get to the place that it needs to be twenty
Speaker 3: one years to see this. But but but what the
Speaker 3: more fascinating thing, it's not even just that how long
Speaker 3: it takes to to really figure out the pieces of
Speaker 3: what it makes, what it is to make a set
Speaker 3: feel the environment when you have guest stars are like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, is this like normal?
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this is this is what the
Speaker 2: set is.
Speaker 3: And but also you know, ran all up by women
Speaker 3: and and and knowing that there's this like care that's
Speaker 3: being done with with each other people's needs, beyond like creative,
Speaker 3: just just you know, servicing each other in a way
Speaker 3: that I think the industry should take note on. So
Speaker 3: so what I saw that and when you know, you
Speaker 3: guys decorated that. I think that that was just such
Speaker 3: a beautiful. It really warmed my heart because you know, one,
Speaker 3: I feel like the movie had made an impact on
Speaker 3: people outside of like me being part of it, but
Speaker 3: then like, oh, you guys do care about people's other
Speaker 3: you know, wins as well outside of the show, and
Speaker 3: and that was just gorgeous.
Speaker 2: So I I I love that. That was just like
Speaker 2: such a It made everything that week that was already
Speaker 2: great even better.
Speaker 1: I wish I'd been there for that. It was real cute.
Speaker 1: That's real cute.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: And I know that you work with of course John
Speaker 1: on Crazy Rich Asians. Yeah, and so have you text
Speaker 1: him because of course Wicked is heading to the Oscars
Speaker 1: as it should have you had any.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he's just been on this whirlwind. Like
Speaker 3: you know, I've known John since like two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: I worked on Step Up two.
Speaker 1: He did Step Up too. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: You look at his whole like, oh, it's just all
Speaker 3: it's it's all over the place in a great way
Speaker 3: because it just shows a range as a director.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Step Up two was his first movie.
Speaker 3: And you know, uh, he is a master at being
Speaker 3: able to to tie emotions with with not just song,
Speaker 3: but like with movement and dance. And he's kind of
Speaker 3: one of those like just directors that not only are
Speaker 3: they very talented, but just such a good person as well.
Speaker 3: And you know, and and and you know, he really
Speaker 3: cares about the people around him, really cares about, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, making sure that they're able to perform their
Speaker 3: best while also creating an environment where it feels very collaborative.
Speaker 3: So I'm just over the moon for him for Wicked
Speaker 3: and what what has in Stork? And it's crazy. When
Speaker 3: you make the movie it comes down you're like you
Speaker 3: think it, that's it, and you know there's this whole
Speaker 3: other piece of it.
Speaker 4: Which I live so quick at twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4: In my house, I have two daughters that are I
Speaker 4: mean they they will fight, well, they will, they will.
Speaker 4: They would commit murder over who gets to be Alfa
Speaker 4: Alphaba versus to.
Speaker 1: Be who's the popular witch in your household right now?
Speaker 1: Because Hayden wants to be Alphaba. Yeah yeah, yeah, no
Speaker 1: Alphabe for sure.
Speaker 4: But it goes back and forth with what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: so like, yeahuse there's two of them, and because they
Speaker 4: are acting out and stuff, then you got they can't
Speaker 4: have two Alphi's.
Speaker 1: You gotta have an Alfie. Yeah, you gotta change to
Speaker 1: see Lucas my son, he gets the reject of the day,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like he's forced me
Speaker 1: out ways for TikTok. That's like alphabet glinda Alphabinda. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one that's like the switch. Here's the witch,
Speaker 1: witch Witch, I'm a witch.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like I had to do that last night, by
Speaker 4: the way, and they thought that she thought that Josie
Speaker 4: thought she had me really well trained, and she did not.
Speaker 1: I could not memorize it as well. No, I can't
Speaker 1: remember that either.
Speaker 3: I don't know how these kids be memorizing so like,
Speaker 3: I just think it takes me old men. There's just
Speaker 3: like the here once and it's it's, it's and the dances.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you're talking, are you kidding? Sorry, I forgot.
Speaker 4: Myself, Okay, so let me just because I'm because I'm
Speaker 4: curious because you came after I was there, so I
Speaker 4: then I, you know, it came last year, and I
Speaker 4: am always curious what people's paths are to the show.
Speaker 4: So how did you find your way to Gray's anatomy?
Speaker 4: Do they come find you web him?
Speaker 3: You know, the show has come up a couple of times,
Speaker 3: you know, I you know, I watched the show and
Speaker 3: and on and off, just you know, as as as
Speaker 3: one does when the show has been going on for
Speaker 3: so long. And one thing that always kept me Jenna Ashkowitz,
Speaker 3: who played Tina co and Chang. She was like a
Speaker 3: massive fan, so I would she would talk about it
Speaker 3: on set, and I kind of would know what was
Speaker 3: happening through through through, through through that. And then you know,
Speaker 3: after a while, I I as I got into other shows,
Speaker 3: and you know, we're auditioning, and then there would be
Speaker 3: a lot of auditions I would come up for for
Speaker 3: grades and I would never get them, and it was
Speaker 3: for usually for patients and never for doctors. And and
Speaker 3: then came came around the time where there it was
Speaker 3: right before I got an offer to as as a patient.
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful storyline, but it just wasn't the
Speaker 3: right time, and and my scheduling was was all off
Speaker 3: and I couldn't take that on. And then shortly after
Speaker 3: I I and I got a call from them that
Speaker 3: they wanted me to play Lou Benson Kwan. I just
Speaker 3: I remember reading the character description and kind of whether
Speaker 3: the story was going and along with just the beautiful
Speaker 3: work that has been done, but I just wasn't prepared for.
Speaker 2: The like being on set now.
Speaker 3: The care that's still there for like trying to tell
Speaker 3: a good story and caring for the characters. And after
Speaker 3: all these years, I don't know why it made me
Speaker 3: because a little part of me has been a little
Speaker 3: jaded about what we've kind of dealt with in the
Speaker 3: industry as you've seen other things and where you know,
Speaker 3: as time goes by, usually with anything you know, less
Speaker 3: care gets put into it, and I never and I
Speaker 3: keep seeing that here. When I got on that, I
Speaker 3: was so pleasantly surprised but I saw that in what
Speaker 3: was written with the character, what was written within the story,
Speaker 3: and that really gravitated me.
Speaker 2: And also being part of this legacy was just something
Speaker 2: that I wanted to really be a part of.
Speaker 1: It's a responsibility, it's a it's a real responsibility to
Speaker 1: feel like that when you get on the show, too, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you really do.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I find that that the viewers are so personally invested, attached,
Speaker 4: they put so much care into the watching of it
Speaker 4: that when you feel that there's just an extra an
Speaker 4: extra sweetness to doing the joba right or something. I
Speaker 4: don't know it it makes it personal. Right, It's just
Speaker 4: I mean, it should be just business, but there's something
Speaker 4: that it does kind of make you take it personally.
Speaker 2: It really, it really does.
Speaker 3: I think you I didn't realize that until you know,
Speaker 3: I knew the responsibility, but I didn't realize how how
Speaker 3: incredibly impactful is beyond just people you know, enjoying television
Speaker 3: or the or the characters that they can fall in
Speaker 3: love with. It was more of these are the next
Speaker 3: generation of surgeons and and and people who want to
Speaker 3: get into uh uh, into the medical field and and
Speaker 3: and and have and also get a glimpse of just
Speaker 3: like you know, the fun parts of it, but also
Speaker 3: the really really hard and difficult parts and also the
Speaker 3: science behind it as well, which I think the story does.
Speaker 3: I mean that the show does really really well. And
Speaker 3: I'm learning, just like I was learning these songs on
Speaker 3: on Glea, I'm learning a lot of you know, uh
Speaker 3: right now, well, medical breakthroughs that that that are happening
Speaker 3: or that have happened, and just being able to be
Speaker 3: put on the.
Speaker 2: Platform like this.
Speaker 4: Have you had one of those hum dinger like you're
Speaker 4: in the table read and you turn the page and
Speaker 4: you see your name and then a really long speech.
Speaker 1: Yet, oh yeah, you've gotten some law, Yeah, really long.
Speaker 2: I've gotten some.
Speaker 1: There's some pressure on that. There's some pressure.
Speaker 2: The hardest one was when there was a crossover on
Speaker 2: Station nineteen.
Speaker 3: I got these sides and I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna be on Station nineteen and and
Speaker 3: it was just me and.
Speaker 2: I had to It was in the er, and the
Speaker 2: sides were fine. It was like a couple of medical terms.
Speaker 2: I was like, I could deal with it.
Speaker 3: And then I went to bed really early because I
Speaker 3: had an early call and they changed it and it
Speaker 3: just just added a whole monologue of I would say,
Speaker 3: like I would say at least like twenty medical terms
Speaker 3: that are probably some of the hardest one. So I
Speaker 3: woke up to this like, oh, this can't be right.
Speaker 3: So I called and they're like, oh, no, this is right,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm really serviced
Speaker 3: well because the character was really fumbling through and trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how to so I really use that
Speaker 3: as well. But you still can't get it wrong. So
Speaker 3: it was the most nerve wracking day experience I had
Speaker 3: on the show. And it wasn't even on the show yet,
Speaker 3: so that I'm sure y'all have dealt with.
Speaker 1: That here we've been there. No, it's no, it's still terrifying.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how long you've been on that show.
Speaker 1: It's still so scary. Ah and I and and again
Speaker 1: you know that, like the there's a real possibility for
Speaker 1: greatness because you look at the monologue and you're like,
Speaker 1: this is good, Okay, all right, No, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be good.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be good, and then you're like working
Speaker 4: it and then you hope that it's good, and then
Speaker 4: sometimes it will surprise you sometimes it won't. When I
Speaker 4: came back last year, Meg gave me the water, she
Speaker 4: gave me, she gave me a biggie, and she was
Speaker 4: so funny because she said to the director, she said, Okay,
Speaker 4: I know it's a lot of words, but and I
Speaker 4: know you don't know Jessica because you haven't worked with
Speaker 4: her yet. But she talks really fast, so she's that
Speaker 4: really long speech's not going to be And then I
Speaker 4: remember doing it and we actually did it in one take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like the capture the Arizona's back.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: We had some questions about Blue that I want to
Speaker 1: ask you. So I want to know what you would
Speaker 1: like his specialty to be.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: You know it's a big question and it changes, honestly
Speaker 1: season to season.
Speaker 2: But in this moment, neurologists, I think still the brain
Speaker 2: is just so fascinating, and I think for Blue, possibility
Speaker 2: of you know, things coming up or even in the
Speaker 2: past that I've just really I think I would like
Speaker 2: him to edit towards there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they have in store, but I
Speaker 3: just think there's something really fascinating there because I think
Speaker 3: there's so little that still we know, and I just
Speaker 3: think it would be cool to be part of that,
Speaker 3: to discover new things that kind of can help have
Speaker 3: a better understanding of maybe even himself, but also beyond that,
Speaker 3: to be able to help people, because I think we're
Speaker 3: starting to find new things that I'm fascinating myself, especially
Speaker 3: when you're talking about gut to brain and the things
Speaker 3: that are affecting.
Speaker 2: Is that, like, are is that really controlling us or
Speaker 2: something else controlling the brain?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And and you know, so I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: there could be some really interesting We.
Speaker 1: Got to get into the love story of it a
Speaker 1: little bit. Of course, you are entangled. Blue is entangled
Speaker 1: in a kind of let's say, messy situation. Very nicey
Speaker 1: this situation this season, but we did get fans wondering
Speaker 1: if you think that he still is harboring feelings for Jules.
Speaker 1: Do you still think or do you think that that's
Speaker 1: been put to bed?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think you're cold show that anything's possible.
Speaker 2: Of course, if you have if you have a little flame,
Speaker 2: that flame can turn into something much better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know.
Speaker 3: I think this storyline is really fascinating to me because
Speaker 3: when you talk about memories and how much those mean
Speaker 3: when you talk about forgetting, especially if you've gone through
Speaker 3: a breakup and you're like, just forget about that.
Speaker 2: But those memories are a part of you. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and so if you lose that, like what.
Speaker 3: Are you like?
Speaker 2: What are you like? Does that define you? Or or
Speaker 2: or should you? Should you? Should you just like allow
Speaker 2: that to I don't know.
Speaker 3: There there's a lot of like conversations about when you're
Speaker 3: when you're growing up and you know, whether you have
Speaker 3: these good memories, then then if the bad memories don't exist,
Speaker 3: and do those good memories exist as well?
Speaker 2: Right, Like it's just this is back and forth.
Speaker 3: So and and when you talk about love and having
Speaker 3: someone that that is trying to get these memories back
Speaker 3: or wanting to to get these memories back, and then
Speaker 3: you I don't know, there's just a lot of complications
Speaker 3: that can happen. And I think I'm really excited to
Speaker 3: see where that story goes because I think they're I
Speaker 3: feel like the writers as they always are are.
Speaker 1: Doing Oh yeah, I mean I think I can tease this.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say any specifics, but there's there's some
Speaker 1: fantastic moments coming up for you and that love story
Speaker 1: in the season that hasn't aired yet, there's one in
Speaker 1: particular can think about. But it's juicy and it does
Speaker 1: and it gets messier. So you guys have to tune
Speaker 1: in and absolutely see that like and messy, and we
Speaker 1: love juicy and messy. Before we let you go, though,
Speaker 1: you have a children's book and I want I read it.
Speaker 1: I snatched it from you at the table read and
Speaker 1: I read it, and so I want you to promote it.
Speaker 1: And it's so good. I didn't know this. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited about this one, and so I want to leave
Speaker 1: talking about this before you go.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you know my.
Speaker 3: Wife and I, Shelby Ramara. She we wrote a children's
Speaker 3: book together and it was really inspired by a daughter
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, just kind of really there
Speaker 3: wasn't a children's book especially that showed up. This one
Speaker 3: in particularly shows the Filipino boy who, you know, it's
Speaker 3: afraid to dance because he got made fun of and
Speaker 3: you know, his grandma is as a as a one
Speaker 3: guardian supports system really encourages him to like, you know,
Speaker 3: get his confidence up and and and sleep on it.
Speaker 3: And when he does sleep on it, he has a
Speaker 3: dream and goes on to the vast space and encounter
Speaker 3: the Martian.
Speaker 2: That kind of helps him gain his confidence back.
Speaker 3: And then and yeah, teaches him these dance moves but
Speaker 3: really based on the characteristics of each planet from Mars,
Speaker 3: Jupiter and Saturn and really the swirling storms and things
Speaker 3: that that that you can do with movement and allows
Speaker 3: him to get off his mind and being not being
Speaker 3: self conscious about his movement but more of like I'm
Speaker 3: just doing a swirling storm. And then and so there's
Speaker 3: there there's a way of like showing that confidence in
Speaker 3: different ways. And I don't know if there's video, but
Speaker 3: he is called Marty. There's the dance and you can
Speaker 3: get it on blue books Dot. And yeah, we're just
Speaker 3: incredibly proud of it because.
Speaker 2: It's you should be.
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 3: It's just really it's a really fun book and it's
Speaker 3: just uh and the kids can or or even adults
Speaker 3: who read it that can there's an account of a
Speaker 3: dance that you can learn as well.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this. Maybe this will work for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe this is this is your moe. Yeah, maybe this is.
Speaker 2: What you need.
Speaker 3: We'll all do it together and we recorded a song
Speaker 3: that's going to come out, and our daughter recorded a
Speaker 3: song for it.
Speaker 2: So it's really fun.
Speaker 3: It's just a fun like family project that you know,
Speaker 3: that is that has been really neat to see other
Speaker 3: people kind of uh do the dance and and kind
Speaker 3: of enjoy it, enjoy the book as well.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a shout out to like Disney
Speaker 1: because Disney needs to turn this into a cartoon. This
Speaker 1: needs to be better than just this, So let's pitch
Speaker 1: it out. Let's put it out into university. We have songs,
Speaker 1: we have dances the kids can learn, like I see
Speaker 1: this for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yay, I'm in for it right.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so happy that you came on.
Speaker 2: No, thank you for having me. This is so cool.
Speaker 2: I love this conversation. You know you too.
Speaker 3: I really I really admire what you all y'all are
Speaker 3: doing and what you have done. So this is is
Speaker 3: really cool to sit down and and chop it up
Speaker 3: as we say.
Speaker 4: I love it. Well, you know, it's such It sounds
Speaker 4: like I'm imagining this in my mind because you've talked
Speaker 4: about it, but I feel like when you're in it
Speaker 4: sounds like you and your wife have such a strong
Speaker 4: partnership and and it comes from it comes from all
Speaker 4: the things that we hear about, you know, on repeat,
Speaker 4: but there's a real enjoyment right of each other, and
Speaker 4: so clearly that gives birth to wanting more projects. So
Speaker 4: like you don't have enough projects together, you're writing a
Speaker 4: book together. And I feel that well in a different way,
Speaker 4: but the same way about Camilla, where it's like I
Speaker 4: just enjoy her partnership.
Speaker 1: And we have so much fun. Yeah, it makes it
Speaker 1: not work, No, not, it's not working.
Speaker 4: And then we get to sit down with people like
Speaker 4: you and exactly that's what I was going to say,
Speaker 4: is that I'm so grateful to you know, and Camilla
Speaker 4: it said, my gosh, like I love him so much,
Speaker 4: he's so great, and like I didn't get to spend
Speaker 4: that much time with him, but I know that if
Speaker 4: you love him, I'm gonna love him. And so to
Speaker 4: have you on and be able to talk about the things,
Speaker 4: you know, in the way that we like to and
Speaker 4: also just always you know, we don't we don't talk
Speaker 4: about grays all the time, you know, that's not what
Speaker 4: the entire podcast is about. So when we have these
Speaker 4: moments that bring us back to how we met. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it's fun. It's so much fun, and that shared crossover
Speaker 4: and and just having a similar approach to.
Speaker 1: How kind of what you said earlier, it's like, how
Speaker 1: does it happen? It happened.
Speaker 4: It's the it's the it's the hard work plus preparation
Speaker 4: plus good luck. Right, So we all get to be
Speaker 4: here together because of those things. But man, it's so
Speaker 4: much more enjoyable to be with people who feel the
Speaker 4: same oh man.
Speaker 3: Well said, Well said, this is this is what I
Speaker 3: One last thing I'll say is that we don't have
Speaker 3: enough of And I think that's why podcasts are so popular,
Speaker 3: where we as a society like we don't have these
Speaker 3: long conversations anymore. People like we we we we don't,
Speaker 3: And then when you do, you we don't have enough
Speaker 3: of it, you know you kind of y'arn like I
Speaker 3: want more. I want to sit there and talk to
Speaker 3: my friends or people that I kind of have never
Speaker 3: met and want to get to know a little better.
Speaker 3: And the fact that you know, y'all get to do
Speaker 3: this on a weekly basis is so cool and I'm
Speaker 3: honored to be on one hour of it. However, long
Speaker 3: descision I.
Speaker 1: Know I was looking at the time. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I want more.
Speaker 4: You've joined the crew and it's an ever everlasting, ever
Speaker 4: loving crew.
Speaker 1: But also I feel like once you join Gray's Anatomy,
Speaker 1: I do feel like it doesn't matter if you're on
Speaker 1: what season, Like there's this weird you're part of this
Speaker 1: legacy and there's this like weird family feeling. So even
Speaker 1: though you do haven't worked, you know, did you work
Speaker 1: at all together?
Speaker 2: Well, but one day it wasn't much. Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: to see you work.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you know what I remember you from as
Speaker 4: the hair and makeup trailer, which is way more important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's where the chit chat talks.
Speaker 1: That's where it all goes down.
Speaker 2: That's where the podcast should be. You should, oh, we.
Speaker 1: Should do that one day. Yes, that's good. Harry.
Speaker 2: Will you come back on? I would love to.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, as the season goes on and some explosive
Speaker 1: things happen in our universe on grays Anonomy, we'll have
Speaker 1: Harry on and maybe we'll do a little post interview
Speaker 1: for an episode and because it's all about to shake
Speaker 1: out on the show, yeah it is. Will let you
Speaker 1: go on with your day, Please say, give your beautiful
Speaker 1: family so many kisses from us, and thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Thank you first of many.
Speaker 5: Bye.
Speaker 1: He's so lovely. He's the best god. I mean, by
Speaker 1: the way, he's done a lot. I mean I was
Speaker 1: looking at our time. I'm like, once again, this could
Speaker 1: be a two hour podcast because I'm not even getting
Speaker 1: through all the things. I know, because we had to
Speaker 1: start with why you so fine? Well that was an
Speaker 1: important question. Why are you so fine?
Speaker 2: Harry?
Speaker 1: Listen? Harry comes into the trailer. I come in and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I literally look like a slug, right Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, do some serious magic to transform me. Harry
Speaker 1: comes in looking like that. He's I don't even know
Speaker 1: if he goes through the works. I mean, what have
Speaker 1: you even put on that face? Well, he was lovely.
Speaker 1: I love his whole mindset.
Speaker 4: I feel like I would I feel like I would
Speaker 4: enjoy I would enjoy cast chair in between setups with him.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best because some people join the
Speaker 1: cast and you're just like, we can't ever lose you.
Speaker 1: You gotta stick with us. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's honestly incredible, as you can tell.
Speaker 4: From Glee, to everything everywhere all at once, to chrays anatomy.
Speaker 4: I think he's also doing pretty well for himself, so
Speaker 4: I'm really happy for him.
Speaker 1: Well, also there's crazy rich Asians and there's oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things we didn't get to,
Speaker 1: but he's done in the hour. So this will this
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna happen. In the meantime, we've got
Speaker 1: to call it miscapshaw. The end of the episode,