1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of Between the Horns, presented 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: by your Southern California Toyota Dealers. It's a rainy, rainy 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: day here in Southern California and also up in the 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Bay where MJD is. But I'm glad to have my 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: three friends with me today, dry and indoors for the meantime. Um, today, 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: I've got, you know, the same usual cast of characters. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: How are you, guys? MJD? First of all, how is 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: the weather where you are? Insane? They called it a 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: bomb cyclone here? A lot of rain, a lot of 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: wind um. A couple hours north to me is Tahoe, 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: a lot of snow, a lot of freeways closed, and 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of flooding. So we'll see how it goes 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: here in the next couple of days. Yeah, I get 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: your surfboard ready. I know that. Um, it's it's been crazy. 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: I've seen some videos of people up near Sacramento just 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: surfing in the in the streets, so it's been crazy. 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: I think them. You know, JB, you are not in 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: the normal chair today. I am taking over the controls 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: for today. I hijacked between Between the Horns. How are you? 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: We got our helmets matching. Think things are great. I'm 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: doing great Erica. I'm happy to have you take the 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: baton and try a little something new. We're experimenting, just 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: like the rams have been down this closing stretch right 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: between the horns. But morning drop off went pretty pretty well, 25 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: had the drowned rat situation going, but got to first 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: grade and to preschool successfully and back safely. So next 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: stop downtown Los Angeles with DeMarco for our next show. 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: But so far, so good. Absolutely, and hello DeMarco, you 29 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: look dry and cozy. Yeah did you say drowned rat? 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: What's a drowned rat? Like a little drowned rat or 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: just something else just stuck in the rain. I think 32 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: looks like me with the tail demarcot. Okay, now just 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: it all click. Yeah, I'm worried. I got people up north. 34 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: I haven't heard from yet, Maurice with the bomb cyclone. 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: You just made me nervous, so you know, um, it's 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: one of those things. We stay dry here and we 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: pray for those up north. Yeah, not very dry here 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: either though the rain. The rain is coming down where 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: I am. I mean, I want to address the DeMar 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: hamlin Um injury and what's been going on, and we 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: just want to start out by sending our thoughts and 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: prayers to him and his family. And it's it's so 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: hard to fathom what the Bills and their players, and 44 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: the Bengals and their players being on the field, and 45 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: then just the league at large, what all of these 46 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: players are going to as far down to our players, 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: and how it's affecting the rams and everything. And so 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I would love to start with you, MJD as a 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: former player, and then DeMarco, can you talk about basically 50 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: your your overall reactions, but how players handle situations like 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: these where the game of football isn't necessarily their main 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: focus right now? Yeah, Erica, I don't know how you 53 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: would handle this situation. I've never been put in this situation, 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: but I think the league. I think the Bills and 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: the Bengals. I think the emergency staff. They did everything 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: that they were supposed to do. Right, he passes out 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: after a big hit, They're right there on the spot, 58 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: they transformed to the hospital. Both teams decide not to 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: play the game, and all the focus goes back on 60 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: on handling who who is supposed to be right? And 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: so I think in this situation. And I've talked to 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: a couple of Bills players. I have a lot of 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: friends that play for the Bills who said they've gotten 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: They've been getting feedback every couple hours here. I know 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: they just there's a report that this came out, that 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: he's doing much better now, and that's all they've been 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: worried about. I don't even know if they've practiced, to 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: be honest with you, for their next their week eighteen 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Week eighteen, the game against the Patriots. They've literally been 70 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: focused on their teammate and their brother and so, and 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: with the Bengals on the other side, they're dealing with 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: the same issue. To see that those events kind of 73 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: going I was on the air when this happened. It 74 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: was kind of all a shock. At first, you thought 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: maybe he lost his breath or you know, they're just 76 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: trying to get him back and he'll get back up. 77 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: But then to hear about the cardiac arrest and all 78 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the other little different things that were going on with it, 79 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: it's tough to get players to go out there and 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: practice and try to play right and be able to 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: go out there. DeMarco Craigman if I'm wrong, but to 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: play this game the way it needs to be played right, 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: with explosive sense of urgency and going in there and 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: making big hits or running through a guy to get 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: a tackle. After seeing something like that, and I think 86 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the league did a great job of getting the mental 87 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: health coaches and psychologists all around to help players, coaches 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: staff that needed after seeing that type of event. Oh yeah, 89 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: well yeah, I mean, I'm right there with you, Maurice. 90 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: It's hard, man. You know, I've seen I've played, I've 91 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: had teammates die in college, and you have to think 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: about that as you move on with this situation. You've 93 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: already compartmentalized it because there's another week coming, but he's 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: never far from your thoughts. I mean everyone has gotten up, 95 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: made breakfast for their kids, went to bed, did everything 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: they needed to do during the day, and still thought 97 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: about him. So same for football players. You have to 98 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: compartmentalize and move on all while keeping concern for your brother. 99 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: But it is it's hard, man. I mean, look, I've 100 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: seen guys go limp. I've seen guys get knocked out 101 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: cold where they're bleeding from the nose and the ears, 102 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: and it's scary. It brings you back to reality. You 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: get yourself so worked up before you take the field, 104 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: and because you're trying to forget about the fact that 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: this be the last time you walk on and off 106 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: the field on your own power. So you're in a 107 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: like a trance like mogue when you're playing, and then 108 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: when you see something like that, it brings you right 109 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: back to reality, like, wow, that could happen to me. 110 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: I've heard this about NASCAR drivers. If you get a 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: NASCAR driver to a funeral before he's dead, you've done 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: something because they don't want to be reminded of what 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: can happen when they get in the car. Same with football. 114 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: So you care about your brother, you know he's getting 115 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: the best care possible. They're doing anything and everything for 116 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: him right now, so at least you have that part 117 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: of it. You can be comforted he's being taken care of. 118 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: So I told the guys the other day, it's gonna 119 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: go from outright concern to it's gonna turn into we're 120 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: gonna play for you now. One of our guys is down. 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: He wishes he could be there. You might get a 122 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: message from his family that says he wants you to 123 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: go out and win the whole thing for him. So 124 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna start to turn to a galvanizing thing of 125 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: what happened. But it is tragic. It's sad. It's a 126 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: reminder of how dangerous this is and how violent. Maurice 127 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: went way out of his way not to say the 128 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: word violent, but it is. That's what this sport is. 129 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: I would say this hitting big guys, there's no problem. 130 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: Catching these small guys in the chest. That could be 131 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: an issue it they'll knock the wind out of you 132 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: if you hit. If a guy hits you the wrong way, 133 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: bad things can happen. I've only seen something like this 134 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: happened one other time, but it was in hockey. A 135 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: defenseman took a slapshot to the chest and it knocked 136 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: his heart out of rhythm and it dropped him just 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: like that. So it was hard talking to those players. 138 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Do you worry about getting hit with slapshots? They said, oh, yeah, yeah. 139 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: And hockey players are known to be the most jovial guys. 140 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: But when they were talking about this, they got really 141 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: serious about it. But they picked it up, they moved 142 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: on and they kept playing. So that's the job of 143 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: a professional athlete. This is a very dangerous sport, and 144 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I think we were all reminded of that a couple 145 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: of days ago. Definitely, JB. I'd love your thoughts, and 146 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: I know that Bobby Wagner and coach mcna address the media. 147 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: I thought it was you know, there's a lot to 148 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: talk about and just a little bit of time before 149 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: before we move on. I just feel that there have 150 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: been a lot of positives to come out of this 151 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: as well, to see the league all come together like 152 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: this in the football community, with you know, his toy 153 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: drive being you know, two thousand and five hundred dollars 154 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: of a bonus or that was his goal, and it's 155 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: over six and a half million as of as of 156 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: yesterday last night, last time I've checked, and I'm sure 157 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: it's even more you know this morning. Yeah, well, Erica, 158 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: you know you and I different than demarco'd MJD. We 159 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: talk for a living, we write for a living, right, 160 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: we offer our opinions in our commentary. We didn't play 161 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: this game, and so I don't know how you felt, 162 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: but for much of this week I felt a little 163 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: bit tongue tied, not wanting to offer my irrelevant contributions 164 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: to the conversation but rather to stay back and to 165 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: listen and to clear the airway for people like DeMarco 166 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: and MJD and those who have played this sport, including 167 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, and hearing him speak yesterday kind of validated 168 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: that choice to just stand back and to listen, because 169 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: he did so so eloquently and with such great perspective, 170 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: and more than a decade in the league, he's seen 171 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot, including he referenced the injury to his former 172 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Seahawks teammate Ricardo Lockett as part of his dialogue yesterday, 173 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: and I thought I was really poignant, and the perspective 174 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: that he and Sean McVay and several others have offered 175 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: has been informative for me. But I also want to 176 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: make sure that my silence or whatever is not interpreted 177 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: as a lack of care or empathy. Because we were 178 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: around the dinner table, our family was watching and observing 179 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: that on Monday night, and Bar's been in our prayers 180 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: every night since. And when Sean McVay talks about how 181 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: his perspective has changed that adversity. Last year might have 182 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: been a winless November, this year it's double digit losses. 183 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: And then this week specifically, it has nothing to do 184 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: with wins and losses. I kind of echo that sentiment 185 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: a little bit. One quick an anecdote from the home 186 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: front that I think maybe illustrates what I'm talking about. 187 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: My six year old banged up his finger on his 188 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: skateboard the other day. So he's got one of those 189 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: fingernails that's turned purple, and it's been a source of 190 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: endless fascination but also paining for him. It's been him 191 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: and Hamlin basically our two main talking points this week 192 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: on the home front. The other day, we're on our 193 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: way to school in the car and he's just kind 194 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: of silent and out of nowhere. He says, Dad, this 195 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: is really nothing compared to what that Buffalo Bill's player 196 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: is feeling right now, right and and and so what 197 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: I thought from that was, Man, I can't wait for 198 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin to walk out of that hospital, not so 199 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: that he can play football again, but so that those 200 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: who love him can put their arms around him and 201 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: embrace him again, and laugh with him and live with 202 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: him a whole lot more, And so that he can 203 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: open his eyes and open his mind and receive this 204 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: outpouring of perspective of love of hope that he has 205 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: sparked and so that he can see those seven million 206 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: dollars worth of impact that he can then spin around 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: and touch so many other lives, right like whether or 208 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: not he plays another down to football again, He's going 209 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,359 Speaker 1: to walk out of that hospital a much more impactful 210 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: figure than before this tragedy that he suffered. So hopefully 211 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: that that added something to the conversation, even though that 212 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: was not my aim too, It's been more a conversation 213 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: that I've been trying to learn from. No. I mean, 214 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: that was just beautifully said, and I feel the exact 215 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: same way. The Buffalo Bills posted an update about an 216 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: hour ago saying that he's shone remarkable improvement over the 217 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: past twenty four hours. While still critically ill, he has 218 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact, his lungs 219 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: continue to heal, and he is making steady progress. And 220 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: then Ian Rappaport also reported that he's gripping hands of 221 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: loved ones around him as well too. So amazing, amazing news. 222 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: And we are keeping him and his family in our thoughts. 223 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know about the rest of you. I'm 224 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: sure I speak for the four of you. But I 225 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: am still refreshing Twitter every you know, couple minutes to 226 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: see if if there's a new update, So we will 227 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: definitely definitely be on the lookout for that. So there 228 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: really is no easy way to transition or tone or anything, 229 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and I think we're all sort of navigating how how 230 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: to handle this week. But the Rams do have their 231 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: regular season finale against the Seahawks at Loumanfield in Seattle, 232 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner's return, and you know he's walking into that 233 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: stadium again. JAB back to you on top of what 234 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: you hope to see for Wagner, like, what else do 235 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: you want to see from the Rams to finish out 236 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, I think it's really the same thing 237 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: as I hope for back in early December when he 238 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: met the Seahawks and Sofa Stadium for the first time, 239 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: which is that he walks out of there with a 240 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: game ball that I think he so richly deserves, and 241 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: I think the day is absolutely going to start with 242 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: a standing ovation for all the great years that he 243 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: poured into that franchise and that community. It's been really 244 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: cool to see following a lot of Seattle media and 245 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: the responses to their coverage, just how beloved he is 246 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: there and whereas going into that first matchup, I think 247 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: he played his emotions pretty close to the vest Erica 248 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: and did so with the utmost professionalism. We saw with 249 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: the ferocity that he brought to the field, just how 250 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: much that meant to him. And I like that this 251 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: time around, he's talking more transparently, more candidly about the 252 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: fact that when you play those closest to you, you 253 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: know what rubs them the wrong way, and they know 254 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: what buttons of yours to press as well. And so 255 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of what we saw back in 256 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: week thirteen, and I think we'll see a whole lot 257 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: more this time around, and it comes with even larger stakes, 258 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: not for the Rams, but for the Seahawks who need 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: to win and they need to get some help to 260 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: play on beyond this week. Yeah, demark Roth, I'll throw 261 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: to you, what are you most looking forward to in 262 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: this game? It could be Bobby related, it could be 263 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: the Rams up in Seattle, the ability to play spoiler 264 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: for a rival in the division. How do you feel 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: about it? That Bobby Wagner. That's that's number one. I 266 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: just can't wait to see after warm ups, not what 267 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: he's at there in street clothes. I mean when he's 268 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: out there in uniform, he's got the helmet on and 269 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: he steps on the field and it's about to get real. 270 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: I can't wait for that. UM, can't wait to see 271 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: what the reaction is going to be up there out 272 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: of the the Seahawk faithful. Um, they get pretty loud. 273 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: M you've been on the field before. They get pretty crazy, 274 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: and they're pretty creative with their insults. So I can't 275 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: wait to see those guys give Bobby his due. I 276 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: hope they do. But then after that, the running back battle, 277 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: to me, I think is going to be something special. 278 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: Can Makers has been on fire and Kenneth Walker, the 279 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: guy that I compared to Maurice Jones Drew has been 280 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: on fire. I think they've been the best running backs 281 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: the last two weeks, so that bodes well for the 282 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: Rams defense and Bobby Wagner should be a lot of 283 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: collisions there. Let's see what happens. But it's loud. If 284 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: you watch their video and you see the jumps their 285 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: defensive ends are getting off the ball, you can tell 286 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: it's loud even without sound. So it's gonna be tough 287 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield. It would be it would benefit the 288 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Rams to run the football effectively up in Seattle and 289 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: try to control that crowd noise. But looking forward to 290 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: all that, no doubt. Yeah, And last time MJD that 291 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: the Seahawks were at so far Kenneth Walker wasn't playing 292 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: from the majority of the game. How is this going 293 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: to impact and how does this make maybe even Bobby 294 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Wagner's you know, he's going to be jumping around a 295 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: lot more than he was even the last time that 296 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: they played. Well, I think you're right, But first I 297 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: have to talk about this. When you talked about Bobby 298 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: Wagner going back to Seattle and their fan base, I 299 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: just something it hit me, Like I remember walking down 300 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: that hall and I was like, why did those fans 301 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: get to me so much? And you're right, DeMarco. They 302 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: they do their research and they really get to hit 303 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: you where it hurts, like it could be like you 304 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: remember we such and such where you fumbled or this, 305 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Like they really touch you. And so if you're Bobby 306 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: Wagner and you're going back, you know you're going back home, 307 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: it will be excited. But I think it's gonna be 308 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: a tougher matchup, right. Kenneth Walker's there, He played a 309 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: little bit in the first game, hurt, his ankle was done. 310 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner had a great day. This is gonna be 311 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: a different challenge for multiple reasons. And Erica you talked 312 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: about it. There's more on the line there. They're in 313 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: the playoff hunt they have there, They're they're way more 314 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: healthy than they were when they first came and you've 315 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: already played them, so they kind of know what you're 316 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: gonna do when you know what they're gonna do. And 317 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: so for Bobby Wagner, it's gonna be exciting to go 318 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: out there and play through that. Can you match up 319 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: with this younger version of possible Marshawn Lynch Or can 320 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: you match up with the tight ends? Or how do 321 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: you are you gonna blitz and get to Gino like 322 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: you did the last time? Is the encore better play 323 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: and a win or I mean worst playing a win? 324 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: Or is it better playing and you know you're still 325 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: fighting and there you may lose. And so I think 326 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: for Bobby Wagner, any professional player, you'll do whatever it 327 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: takes to win. And I think for him, he's gonna 328 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: show out like he did this last time. I think 329 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: the team understands how much it means to him after 330 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: the first time they played it so far, and I 331 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: believe the Rams are gonna go out there and really 332 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: show what they can do because the last time they played, 333 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: they had the game one and to the last what 334 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes of the game. And so they 335 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: still feel that, and you could tell this team is 336 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: excited and they still go out there and they play 337 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: with the thought of winning games. And we've talked about 338 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: it before, how do you want to finish this season 339 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: with all you've gone through? The best way to do 340 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: it is by knocking out a rival so they don't 341 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: have a chance to get into the playoffs. And Eric 342 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: called his tack onto that the Rams run game, as 343 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: we know, going as good as it's been in two 344 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: years now with cam Akers, and now they're going to 345 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: face one of the most poorous run defenses in the 346 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: National Football League in Seattle, and that was before they 347 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: lost Bobby Wagner's replacement, Jordan Brooks, to a season ending 348 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: ACL injury last week against the Jets. So there's a 349 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: huge opportunity there for acres and this offensive line. And 350 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: then conversely, I think we all probably feel like the 351 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: Rams put their most disappointing defensive effort out against the 352 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: Chargers last week, certainly with respect to stuffing the run, 353 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: which has been a calling card of Theirs really for 354 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: the past several years against Eckler and company. So I'm 355 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: sure they want to respond the right way against Walker 356 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: and the Seahawks attack, and it's a nice redemption opportunity 357 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: for them. Absolutely, and I think so. Nate Burlison was 358 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: on Ricky's Ram Jam this week and he talked about 359 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: actually playing spoiler, being the being in the locker room 360 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: and you talk to your the guy next to you, 361 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: and you're like, pick your favorite villain, you know, in 362 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: a Marvel movie or something, and we are going to 363 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: be that today. I'm curious Demargo and MJD basically, you know, 364 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: I guess this just goes to show how much more professional, 365 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, professional football players are than myself. Because if 366 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's the last last game, let me 367 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: just put my head down and get through this, can 368 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: you talk about both of you? I'm so curious your 369 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: perspective about Okay, it's Week eighteen, this is our last time. 370 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: This could be my last time in a Rams uniform 371 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: for some of our free agents. What does this mean 372 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: to this isn't the season we want? Coach McVeigh said 373 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: that it may have been, you know, a failure of 374 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: him for this past year. Like they're all being very reflective. 375 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: What does number one? We can knock out the Seahawks? 376 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Number two? It's week eighteen. Let's not be like Erica 377 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: and just get through the game to get onto our vacation. 378 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: Like what how do channel this energy? Well? I mean 379 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: I think there if you want to play spoiler, that's 380 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: one thing. Are you good enough to be a spoiler? Is? 381 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: That's that's what we're gonna find out. So look, you 382 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: saw what happened with the Chargers and Maurice and I. 383 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: We talked on the way out of the booth. That's 384 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: a playoff football team, and it looked a lot different, 385 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: didn't it. Seattle is a fringe playoff team. I mean there, 386 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: if they play their best game, the Rams are gonna 387 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: have their hands full. So wanting to play spoilers one thing. 388 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: Actually getting it done is another. But look, I'm glad 389 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: there's something that the Seahawks are playing for at the 390 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: end of the year, because if both teams are out, 391 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: then I think, Erica, you'd be dead on And it's 392 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: human nature. I remember playing the Saints at the end 393 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: of the year when Jim Everett was the quarterback and 394 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: they had one check and that's all he would go 395 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: to and I kept making the play over and over 396 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: again and celebrate it, and he gave me a look like, really, 397 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna celebrate that. You know I'm only giving you 398 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: one check. So it is human nature. It's it's it's 399 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: the end of the year. You know, you want to 400 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: get on with the offseason and how to fix your problems. 401 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: But I am so glad the Seahawks are. They have 402 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: something to play for, which will give the Rams something 403 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: to play for. So the Seahawks are gonna have to 404 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: bring it, and I hope the Rams will match that 405 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: effort in Seattle. Yeah, I'll say this. I think Nate 406 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Burlison's best job is television because like they're in the 407 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: locker room talking like that, that does not happen, and 408 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: it might have happened with him, but he like puts 409 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: extra on everything. And I love Nate for that because 410 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: it just makes it makes the locker room seems so 411 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: much more Erica there. I would say this. I've been 412 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: on teams where eighty percent the guys have been like you, like, look, 413 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: we're setting up plans. We're going to you know, Vegas 414 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: or wherever the hotspot is that year. And I always 415 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: always tell guys, remember we're still being evaluating, right, And 416 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: so you still got to go out there and put 417 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: your best foot forward, if not for this team, but 418 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: for thirty one other teams, right. And so that's how 419 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: you play spoiler er. Just your best ball is not 420 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: necessarily ever been about the other team and what they do. 421 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: It's about you and getting better and making sure that 422 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: you leave you end the season on a good note. 423 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: You never want to end the season on a place 424 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: where you know the front officers questioning does he still 425 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: want to play the game or does he still have it? 426 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: Or is he still in it? And I can give 427 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: you a great example twenty eleven. I think we might 428 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: have won four games. We're playing Anna's Colts. We're playing 429 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: the Colts. They had to let two seed. We had 430 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: like the three seed or something going into the draft, 431 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: and pretty much whoever lost his game was going to 432 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: be one of the top picks. There might have been 433 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: one and two, matter of fact, I don't know. But anyways, 434 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: we end up winning and they get Andrew Luck. Obviously 435 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: that goes on, we get Justin Blackman, it kind of 436 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: goes that way. But a lot of those guys on 437 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: that team stayed on that roster because the way we 438 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: finished the season. I think we won four out of 439 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: five or three out of five the last game or 440 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: the last five games, and it kind of springboard us 441 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: to go forward after that, right, so we started to 442 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: play better. You just want to make sure you end 443 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: this on a great note, especially with the Rams, all 444 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: the injuries they've had, all the different guys they played. 445 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: You want to make sure you go out there and 446 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: play your best ball, and your best ball should be 447 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: good enough to win this game. Yeah, JB talk about 448 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: Bobby again, even saying like I'm going up to face 449 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: a team that I feel gave up on me, and 450 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean he's saying this publicly. It's all stuff we know. 451 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: So yes, they want to put their best effort out there. 452 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: But the emotion for this game, especially the last week 453 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: eighteen game season finale for the Rams, there is no postseason. 454 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: I would think that the leader that Bobby is that 455 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: this defense specifically of course with the offense, but this 456 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: defense really wants to show out, no doubt. I'm thinking 457 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: of that Jordan Meme. I took that personally as he 458 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: looks down at his device, right. I think this is 459 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: that moment for Bobby Wagner little bit. And I think 460 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: back to how this season started, which was Russell Wilson 461 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: and the Denver Broncos on Monday Night football at Lumen Field. 462 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: The league could not wait to get that game in 463 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: a island window opportunity to showcase it. But we all 464 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: know Seattle loves Bobby Wagner a whole lot more than 465 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. And this game was stashed away at the 466 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: back end of the schedule, and it's going to be played, 467 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: I think, in front of a regional audience, right, but 468 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: it's primetime for Bobby Wagner and for the Los Angeles Rams, 469 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: and especially for the consequences for Pete Carroll and the Seahawks. 470 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: So I love that element and I love that kind 471 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: of book end to what the last echo of the 472 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: legion of boom. We would probably say, right with Bobby 473 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: Wagner going back home. But the other one is think 474 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: of how that first meeting ended, DK Metcalf finally getting 475 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: over on Jalen Ramsey catching the game winning touchdown through 476 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: good coverage in the end zone. And I've learned I 477 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: think as much about Jalen Ramsey this year as any 478 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: year prior. Don't let the outside world tell you that 479 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Ramsey has had a down year, one of his worst 480 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: years in Horns. Like that dude has been there. He's 481 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: gonna make every start. He's gonna play over a thousand snaps. 482 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: I think he already has. He's risen to every challenge 483 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: coming off two shoulder recoveries. He's put his face right 484 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: back in the shredder and the running game, and I 485 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: think he was right there step for step with Bobby Wagger. 486 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: You could see how much that defense rallied around Wagner. 487 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: They're captain in that first opportunity, and I can't wait 488 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: to see him do it again. Yeah. Absolutely, And JB 489 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: that was a little bit at me. I think behind 490 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: the scenes, I've been a little bit like was I 491 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: really maybe earlier in the season and now watching the 492 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: back half and sort of relooking at the tape of 493 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: what Jalen does when the ball's not going towards him too, 494 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: like foot in my mouth, that was wrong. He is 495 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: still that guy for sure. Wait what did you say? Nothing? Nothing? Never, never, anything. 496 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: But I think I think there were some times where 497 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: I was just like, okay, you know, you know that 498 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: that DK touchdown. It's like, you guys are talking a 499 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: lot of smack. But but that happens when you're playing 500 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: against elite players, you know, And when you have two 501 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: elite players, that's that's going to happen. But how many 502 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: elite players are still still going out there in the 503 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: midst of a losing season and they aren't opposing locking 504 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: up the opposing gunner on special teams a number one 505 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: corner who's played more special teams snaps than Jalen Ramsey 506 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: this year. Nobody, Absolutely, absolutely no, And not only isn't 507 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: playing guys like the effort that he's giving it's phenomenal. 508 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: It's better than the guys that are coming off the 509 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: bench to play special teams at times, right, Like yeah, yeah, 510 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: it's it's I think I think it's it's not only you, Eric, 511 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: it's it's the it's the world, right, Like everyone's upset 512 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: at Jalen Ramsey because the way he talks, the way 513 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: he carries himself. But I think this matchup against DK 514 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: Metcalf is round two of you know, de Marc always 515 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: likes boxing, right, I don't. I'm not a as big 516 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: of a boxing fans to Marco. But it was Pakiow 517 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: who had like three fights Marquez. Here we're going on. 518 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: Remember the third one. It was like, there's all we're 519 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: just fighting out pretty much. There's no technique. We're just 520 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: throwing haymakers. That's what this is gonna be. Like, there's 521 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: gonna be no technique in this thing. It's gonna be 522 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: locked up, man to man. You got him, You go, 523 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, handle your business, And I think this defense 524 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: is gonna rally around him. I'm excited. I'm actually really 525 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: excited to see the way this defense plays because the 526 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: way the Seahawks are playing offensively. They jumped on the 527 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: Jets last week and really took it to them. I 528 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: want to see how this defense responds after losing to 529 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: the Chargers and seeing the way that offense played for 530 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: the Seattle last week, except for Sauce Gardner locking up 531 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: DK and basically wiping the receivers off the game plan 532 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: because Lockett was banged up playing through a broken hand, 533 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: went back to the locker room through a lake contusion. 534 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: I think Metcalf got nothing. This was the tight end game. 535 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 1: This was the Kolbe Parkinson arrival guy. So I think 536 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: it's something that the Rams have to be aware of, 537 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: is the composition of the targets in the offense might 538 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: look a little bit different. But yeah, and it's truest 539 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: form and it's best form that father's son mean, between 540 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: DK and Jalen is gonna like go back and forth 541 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: three or four times over the course of this contest. Absolutely, 542 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: do we want to throw out some any matchups were 543 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: interested before we say goodbye that Yeah, that's a fun one. Look, 544 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: I have no doubts about that guy, about Jalen Ramsey 545 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: at all, and I have blocked out the noise. Um, 546 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: any kind of hate is just hate. If you're watching tape, 547 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: you understand, if you've been out there, you get it. Um, 548 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: it's like the chef actually washing dishes and closing his 549 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: own restaurant when he talked about him playing special teams. 550 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: He does everything. You cannot get him off the field. 551 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: So that matchup will be something to watch. Um, Bobby 552 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Wagner in the defense. UM, I think tell me if 553 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. This will be the first time the Rams 554 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: defense will finish outside the top five in sacks since 555 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: like twenty eight, twenty nineteen or whatever it was. So 556 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: but run defense has been exemplary, So I hope that 557 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: carry is over. And that was a one game hiccup 558 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: versus Heckler, who was great that day. So if you 559 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: forced the game back on the Geno Smith, that's part 560 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: of it. Now you've got to finish it by getting 561 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: them on the ground and getting to the passers. So 562 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: let's hope some guys that have taken some big giant 563 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: leaps the last month taken even bigger leap in Seattle. 564 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna need it absolutely, JAB I'll go with Sean 565 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: McVeagh against first year defensive coordinator Clint Hurt because it 566 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it matters who the quarterback is for 567 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles or who's playing and not playing or coordinating 568 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: the defense. Sean McVay has the Seahawks number. His game 569 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: plans work against the schemes of the Seahawks. He's done 570 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: it with Jared Goff He's done it with Matthew Stafford, 571 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: He's done it with John Woolford. Now I hope he 572 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: gets to do it with Baker Mayfield. And if you 573 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: look at this little pattern five games sample size for Baker, 574 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: huge breakout performance in his arrival against the Raiders, lackluster 575 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: showing in Green Bay, blow out of the Denver Broncos. 576 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: They their toe a little bit against the Chargers. Hopefully 577 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: this continues for one more iteration and they finish with 578 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: a thirty plus point performance in Seattle. Yeah, I agree, 579 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: we go ahead of mgd Oh. I was just gonna say, 580 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield versus Woolen, the big tall six four corner, right, 581 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: who got a pick in the last game. Whoever that 582 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: receiver is going against him, If you are going to 583 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: throw it to him, make sure it's with a route runner, right, 584 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: Not a guy is going down the field where he 585 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: could use his speed. In his size, he struggles coming 586 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: out of his brakes a little bit. So that matchup is, 587 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, how how is Sean McVay and Baker may 588 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: were going to attack that one defender there, who's who's 589 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: had a great year as a rookie. I want to 590 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: say what nine picks, eight or nine picks on the season, 591 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: which is pretty good, definitely, and I want to just 592 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: throw out the O line. We've had a little bit 593 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: more shuffle as well. Try to keep Baker protected to 594 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: be able to you know, actually get the ball down 595 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: to these second third progressions and spread the field. That 596 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: Higbee game was huge and it was because we spread it. 597 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: He's been clicking with Van Jefferson. He's even you know, 598 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: Bryson Hopkins getting some big catches down the stretch. We 599 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: really need to protect Baker to let him get the 600 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: ball across the field. You guys, thank you so much 601 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: for hanging out this morning. It's pouring rain. I hope 602 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: that the weather clears up. I hope that it'll be 603 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: a little warmer in Seattle. I haven't checked the weather forecast, 604 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: so that that's bad on me, but I just want 605 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: to thank you guys. Thanks, I'm JD, JB and DeMarco 606 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: for tuning into this edition of Between the Horns, presented 607 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: by your Southern California Toyota Dealers. We'll see you next time. 608 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: Have a great WEEKA team