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Speaker 1: The three things to know on this Friday morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: new kids on the Block, Dan, Cincinnati, UCF, B YU

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Speaker 1: and Huston Dinner all expected to be voted into the

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Speaker 1: Big Twelve. It's been rumored as quote a rubber stamp,

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Speaker 1: but on the heels of that, potentially the twelve team playoff,

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Speaker 1: perhaps on life support per our friend Nical hourback of

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Speaker 1: the Athletic. Also, Georgia has moved on up to number

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Speaker 1: two in the first AP poll. Yes and finally boxed

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Speaker 1: out the Red Box Bowl reportedly going to be canceled.

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Speaker 2: Oh, as you know, as a fan of a Championship

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Speaker 2: Red Box Team. You know it hits hard tie. The

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Speaker 2: memories fled back when I instead went to a Chinese

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Speaker 2: restaurant on New Year's Eve instead of watching the Red

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Speaker 2: Box Ball in Oregon. Continue, but let's start at the

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Speaker 2: very top.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati, UCF, BYU and if Houston all expected to be

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Speaker 1: voted into the Big Twelve as soon as Friday, Dan

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Speaker 1: It is being again reported as a formality. The Big Twelve,

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Speaker 1: by doing this measure, will be boosting the size of

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Speaker 1: its league back up to twelve teams. It's been ten

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Speaker 1: for a long time, with Texas and Oklahoma going on

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Speaker 1: over to the SEC, and by virtue of adding four

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Speaker 1: they will now officially be the Big Twelve. The question

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Speaker 1: for us here is just how big? How big will

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve be? It sounds like they expect to

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Speaker 1: retain their power five status for whatever that is worth and.

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Speaker 2: Whatever power five means moving forward, because definitions like power

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Speaker 2: five are very they're just invented, right, It's just an

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Speaker 2: invented thing. So we don't know if it's power six,

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Speaker 2: power four, power five, power eight, what like. It's just

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Speaker 2: everything's going to keep changing. Where do you stand on

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Speaker 2: this move?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 2: Move, bad move.

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Speaker 1: How does it affect the lands gape for college football?

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Speaker 2: I think it's largely good, not great. College football is

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Speaker 2: basically defined by the powers at the top of the sport,

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Speaker 2: right or wrong, and the Big Twelve going down quote

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Speaker 2: unquote down to add teams instead of being aggressive like

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Speaker 2: the SEC wasn't. I understand why they weren't, because the

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Speaker 2: Big twelve is not an attractive place right now, in

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Speaker 2: this moment, without Texas and Oklahoma and without the top

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Speaker 2: I guess brands is probably the best word, because it's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily the best two teams, but the top two brands,

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Speaker 2: the most popular schools, the most visible national schools. Big

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Speaker 2: twelve is in a tough place now. Their strategy in

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Speaker 2: terms of adding teams and adding teams with certain advantages

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Speaker 2: and not even just recent history of success, right Like

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Speaker 2: you look at Cincinnati and success both in basketball on

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Speaker 2: a certain level and football, which are your two big

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Speaker 2: big sports men's basketball anyway, Houston was a Final four team.

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Speaker 2: I believe Cincinnati has had a recent good history. They

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Speaker 2: lost their coach to UCLA a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: BYU comes with that sort of cultural element that is

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Speaker 2: within a certain community. And UCFS a team with advantages

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Speaker 2: D'Antonio whatever. And so I guess other than the Tommy

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Speaker 2: these are all schools in a really good place to

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Speaker 2: quote unquote power programs. So what does this do to

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Speaker 2: this is a long term play. Do you disagree with

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Speaker 1: Us really kicking ome. Yeah, no, I think all that's right.

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Speaker 1: One curiosity from my standpoint is if you fast forward,

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Speaker 1: the pecking order be in twenty twenty one if we

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Speaker 2: Like where they currently stand. Pecking order in terms of

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Speaker 1: If they were playing the twenty twenty one season as

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Speaker 1: standings be? Okay, and I think it's an interesting conversation

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Speaker 2: Removing Texas and Oklahoma, I would have Cincinnati head of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Iowa State are both in a very good spot. Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: could certainly make a case for a school like AUCF.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely top half. By you lost a lot and

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Speaker 1: Houston well lost their opening matchup in Week one against

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Speaker 1: I think for at least half of these schools, they're

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Speaker 1: it's a good spot for them, provided they're still not

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Speaker 1: want to call it access moving forward. It's a huge

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Speaker 1: upgrade for teams such as Cincinnati. They immediately give themselves

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and sort of big picture too, you're talking

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Speaker 2: I think Utah is underrated in terms of it's football culture.

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Speaker 2: They've been producing football players and you know, the utes

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Speaker 2: I think it's a It's a great move. Houston obviously

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Speaker 2: a good but not great move.

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Speaker 1: You could mount a rather convincing argument that the strongest

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Speaker 1: brand in the new version of the Big Twelve is BYU.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, with with the sort of cultural might

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Speaker 2: that it has been its regional cultural might largely you know,

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Speaker 2: not studied LDS demographics. But yes, you're you're absolutely right

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Speaker 2: there's other sports that you know, Baylor basketball has you know,

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Speaker 2: know it has. You know, both on the men's and

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Speaker 2: Big Twelve much more of a geographically dispersed conference, for

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Speaker 2: whatever that's worth. They get a foothold out in Florida,

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Speaker 1: The additional follow on here is the article published in

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Speaker 1: The Athletic by our good Friendical Hourback about how all

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Speaker 1: of this turmoil, instability uncertainty in college football affects that

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Speaker 2: The SEC has not gone on.

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Speaker 1: Record verbally or otherwise and said that they won't expand

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Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of uncertainty there. We've also

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Speaker 1: in order to do that, they've added four teams. Where

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Speaker 1: remains a great uncertainty, right. Another annoyance, as Nicole I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exploration without representation. Yeah, I just came.

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Speaker 1: Up with that while you were pretty with Patrick Henry

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Speaker 1: Moving on and moving on up, Dan, Yeah, Georgia Bulldogs

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Speaker 2: North Carolina was the big faller that stayed within the

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Speaker 1: How about NC State sixty nine votes? Baby sixty nine

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Speaker 2: I really like A and M.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Dan, I am up here in the shopper.

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Speaker 1: Another beautiful weekend around the country from sea to shining sea.

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Speaker 1: Taking a look at the schedule this week. If you

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Speaker 2: Maybe go out, take the significant.

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Speaker 1: Other out there or romantic evening, play with the kids,

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Speaker 1: take Mike or I get the smooching in. There are

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Speaker 1: some games later, get back for the late night game

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Speaker 1: Utah Verse BYU the Holy War.

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Speaker 2: Emotions will run high.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, to think a nice smooth day out there.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be out in the roadways.

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Speaker 1: Should have plenty of windows during which you can go

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Speaker 1: out and be a normal human.

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Speaker 2: Damn back to you in the studio, all right, great

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Speaker 2: to have you here, TI, great to have you back.

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Speaker 2: You got down from the helicopter. I did make it

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Speaker 2: back down from the helicopter. Did we name our chopper?

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Speaker 2: Did we? We kind of name our chopper?

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Speaker 1: The only chopper I know is called Chopper six, and

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Speaker 1: that's the local one here in Philly.

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Speaker 2: Right, But we we got to come up with Is

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Speaker 2: there some sort of alliterative chi the chip that the

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Speaker 2: chip chopper for chip chop with something. Yeah, Oh, I've got.

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Speaker 1: To call it a chopper, And I like naming it

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Speaker 1: Ty in the sky.

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Speaker 2: That's too good, but Ty, this guy is wonderful. The

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Speaker 2: Red Box Ball.

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Speaker 1: Dan has a alum of a school that is a

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Speaker 1: Red Box Bowl champion. I'd imagine it's a bit bittersweet

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Speaker 1: to hear that the Red Box Ball has been canceled,

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Speaker 1: as per Brett McMurphy. Coincidentally enough, some of those initial

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Speaker 1: reports were refuted that the Red Box bawl No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: We're not canceled the Red Box Ball regardless. I think

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Speaker 1: this is an avenue for us to discuss the Bull

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Speaker 1: system at large, of which you are quite a proponent.

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Speaker 1: You like the Bull system. I think it's a good thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: do you think there are two many bowls? Though?

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Speaker 2: No, I only their TV shows, and they're expressly TV shows.

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Speaker 2: They're good reason to travel with family, friends, whatever, to

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Speaker 2: see your team one last time, maybe see some younger players,

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Speaker 2: Maybe go to a city you've never been to, maybe

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Speaker 2: a warmer place if you're living, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: Northeast to the Midwest, something like that. You get to

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Speaker 2: go to Florida, you get to go to southern southern

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Speaker 2: California or whatever. I like the general idea of Bowls,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily as a be all end all for deciding

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Speaker 2: a national champion, but I like the idea of destinations.

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Speaker 2: The Red Box Bowl is tough. That stadium kind of

479
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Speaker 2: sucks that. I don't know what it's called now. But

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Speaker 2: wherever the forty nine ers play in Santa Clara, that's

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Speaker 2: where it is, Stadium Levi Stadium. Yeah, is it still

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Speaker 2: Levi Stadium. That's where the Red Box Bowl is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that just sort of experienced stinks and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not particularly warm in northern California on the water

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Speaker 2: in December whatever, and the game is just a game

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Speaker 2: of little consequence. And San Francisco is great, but it's

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Speaker 2: not in San Francisco. It's kind of a pain, so

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Speaker 2: I you know, emotionally, I'm not nearly as bummed out

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Speaker 2: as I am, like when the Holiday Bowl was canceled

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Speaker 2: last year, Like the Holiday Bowl is a great time.

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Speaker 2: The stadium stinks, but they're getting a new stadium, I believe.

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Speaker 2: And there are just some games that are like, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: I like.

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Speaker 2: I even like the New Mexico Bowl, the Guild in

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Speaker 2: New Mexico Bowl, if it's still called that, like I liked.

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Speaker 2: I like a lot of these Bowl games just because

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Speaker 2: they're very familiar. But the Red Box Bowl pass.

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Speaker 1: Ninety eight percent of the early money coming in on

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Speaker 1: Kentucky minus five and a half versus Missouri. Interestingly enough, though,

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Speaker 1: with all that money coming on the Kentucky Wildcats after

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Speaker 1: their big week last week had an offensive display on

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Speaker 1: the arm of Will Levis, the point spread has not

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Speaker 1: moved despite all of that money just hanging tight there

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Speaker 1: five five and a half.

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Speaker 2: I take that as a queue to take Missouri.

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Speaker 1: If you were ever so inclined in these things, fay

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Speaker 1: that pub bade the public elsewhere. We've got ninety two

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Speaker 1: percent of the bucks coming in on NC State, my

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Speaker 1: lock of the week, minus two and a half on

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Speaker 1: the road at your crush of the year, Mississippi State, Daniel, I.

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Speaker 2: Would fade it. But I like getting value, finding value,

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Speaker 2: unearthing value of teams that had disappointing week ones. Not

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Speaker 2: catastrophic week ones, no Washington, but promising in Mo but

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Speaker 2: disappointing and definitely looking uneven. Those teams are going to

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Speaker 2: be teams of value as you as you move forward.

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's Oregon, maybe it's you know, maybe it's Arkansas,

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Speaker 2: another team that had disappointing week And I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned the Kentucky game. Can can you give me

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Speaker 2: how many simulations of the twenty twenty one season end

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Speaker 2: with Will Evis ending up as a star quarterback under

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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen's new system twenty two, twenty two out of ten,

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Speaker 2: twenty two out of one hundred simulations. Yeah, of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season end with him as a star,

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Speaker 2: a full on star quarterback, one of like the three

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Speaker 2: best in the conference. Okay, that's not bad considering the

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Speaker 2: depths that he looked at at times at Penn State.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good, Okay, any other business.

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Speaker 1: Sixty six percent of the cabbage coming into the Iowah

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Speaker 1: Hawk gys. This line has jumped around a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's at about plus four and a half, plus five,

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Speaker 1: I've seen it plus three and a half. The Saihawk

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Speaker 1: games a big rivalry. It's a clash between nine and ten.

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Speaker 1: As we discussed a little earlier on the podcast. Sixty

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Speaker 1: six percent of the money again coming in on the

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Speaker 1: Iowha guys, who have won five straight in this series

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Speaker 1: and have been dominant anytime they've gone up against Matt Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fascinating matchup. It's as close to me

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Speaker 2: as it's been Obviously we've had closer games, but in

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Speaker 2: terms of the high end of both of these teams.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait to watch it. But I do understand why

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Speaker 2: the money is leaning Iowa. It's not they're not traveling

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Speaker 2: across the country for road game. It's gonna be an

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Speaker 2: emotional spot and just the track record of Kirk Ferrence

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Speaker 2: I get, especially on the road, and with that I

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Speaker 2: want to learn about some weather.

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Speaker 1: Demn other nature dealing us a great hand here through

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Speaker 1: two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Huh, there's some elements of the Southeast that have not

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Speaker 2: had the last good last couple of week, but otherwise

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Speaker 2: fair on the whole, on the whole.

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Speaker 1: Yes, outside of a stray wind gust a zephyr moving

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Speaker 1: through the Midwest and the Great Plains, we're looking at sunny.

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Speaker 1: We're looking at pleasant in most corners of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Partly sunny in eighty degrees in Columbus. Got a stiff

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Speaker 1: breeze potentially out of the south Southwest for that Oregon

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Speaker 1: Ohio State game. Ninety and sunny a little farther west

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Speaker 1: as you get into games. For the Syhawk game, potentially

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Speaker 1: an all time high temperature in Fayetteville, temperature is going

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Speaker 1: to approach ninety five degrees, thankfully, should cool off in

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Speaker 1: time for that Texas Arkansas kickoff. Tamp's going to dip

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Speaker 1: down into a brisk, low sixty type of situation for

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Speaker 1: the Holy War and down there in Miami a forty

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Speaker 1: percent chance of storms for their big game against app State.

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Speaker 1: Nothing new in South Florida, Dan but looking like pretty

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Speaker 1: good weather around college ball on this week two Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Back to you. I don't have a recommendation in terms

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Speaker 2: of big, greasy football food in any of those places.

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Speaker 2: But tie, are you familiar? Not a sponsor? Jenny's ice

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Speaker 2: Cream started in Columbus and is excellent. Not a sponsor,

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Speaker 2: could be a sponsor. We would definitely accept Jenny's care packages.

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Speaker 2: It's my wife's favorite flavor of ice cream. Started in

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Speaker 2: Columbus in a market. Tie. How adventurous do you get

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Speaker 2: with ice cream flavors? If you're going to a parlor,

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Speaker 2: do you stick with a typical I'm going Rocky Road,

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Speaker 2: I'm going mint chip, Or you're like, hmmm that Brambleberry crisp,

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Speaker 2: which is actually Jody with an ice favorite flavor from Jenny's. Like,

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Speaker 2: will you will you go out and try something out

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Speaker 2: of your comfort zone? I will sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely to hear it, absolutely, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say I'll go too far out of the comfort zone. Hmm,

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Speaker 1: because usually my default selection is soft vanilla with sprinkles,

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Speaker 1: rainbow sprinkles.

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Speaker 2: It you eat with your eyes, right, you get that

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Speaker 2: little of the crispy sugary sprinkles, don't. I don't hate that,

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Speaker 2: but vanilla, I mean I like a good vanilla. But

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Speaker 2: I'm generally if you're swirling something in some ice cream, hm,

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Speaker 2: let's getting my attention.

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Speaker 1: Tie, So swirling that's the default order. If I can't

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Speaker 1: find something else that I like, okay, but I'll do

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Speaker 1: a little cookie dough. I'll do a blueberry, I'll do

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Speaker 1: a raspberry. Anything in the berry genus I'm usually good for.

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Speaker 2: I wonder, and I don't have the answer to this.

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Speaker 2: I wonder when cookie does started making its way into

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Speaker 2: ice cream, because, like everybody else, you think when you

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Speaker 2: discover it is when everybody discovered it. So I remember

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Speaker 2: finding out that there was cookie dough in certain flavors

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Speaker 2: of ice cream. Maybe it's been happening since the seventies,

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Speaker 2: but I remember thinking to myself, this changes everything. This

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Speaker 2: changes everything, because I still am a huge fan. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can get a swirrel, you get a chunk, you know,

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Speaker 2: some moose tracks something like that. That's your standard grocery fair.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, brambleberry crisp winner from Jenny's starting in Columbus.

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Speaker 2: So if you're in town for the Oregon Ohio state game,

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Speaker 2: go out of your way. Wonderful ice scream that you

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Speaker 2: can get kind of everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Now, a little bit of news here as we enter

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Speaker 1: into week two of the college football season here in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Some administrative stuff, nothing too much to report.

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Speaker 1: We will be back again next Friday, talk through any

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