WEBVTT - The British Super-Soldier Who Killed A Nation

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm, hello friends, and welcome back to Behind the Bastards.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Robert Evans, and this is the show that tells

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<v Speaker 1>you everything you don't know about the very worst people

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<v Speaker 1>in all of history. Today. My guest who I will

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<v Speaker 1>be who's coming in cold with this tale, and who

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be reading a story too, is Brodie Reid, comedian. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Steamed Steamed guest, Yes, yes, Esquire. Brodie read Esquire.

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<v Speaker 1>I think means you're the editor for Esquire magazine. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a lawyer and I'm also the head editor of

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<v Speaker 1>Esquire Magazine. Those are my credits and I won't change them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what that means. Uh. Now, we're doing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different today. Normally we're pretty upfront about who the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of the podcast is, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>background to get to before we can really properly introduce

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. So I'm kind of curious as to when

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<v Speaker 1>you figure out who we're talking about. And I also

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wanted to be a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise for the audience. So if you're good, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into it. Okay. I mean I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like an amateur private investigator, so I might get

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<v Speaker 1>it real off the bat and I want to ruin

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<v Speaker 1>your flow or anything. But um, let's let's try. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's let's see how this goes. I'm on o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this will be you know, my, my, my, great disaster,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it'll be fun. Yeah, alright, So today,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right now two eighteen, Britain is a tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>adorable nation filled with wizards and a conspicuously broad definition

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<v Speaker 1>of the word pudding. It's easy, I'm going to guess Baltimore. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just getting it that. It's easy for

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<v Speaker 1>us to forget today considering how docile the British people

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<v Speaker 1>are that for a while they ruled the entire world.

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<v Speaker 1>The British Empire was the largest empire in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mongol Empire, at that's height, held about twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>million kilometers in area, six percent of the world's population.

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<v Speaker 1>The British Empire was over thirty five million kilometers in

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<v Speaker 1>area and ruled nearly a quarter of the planets. Trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not forget that they polonize everything. Yeah, yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and they I think what's most shocking to me when

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<v Speaker 1>I read about this is that they controlled that huge

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of the planet with probably the smallest army than

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<v Speaker 1>any empire has ever had. You know, the Roman Empire

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<v Speaker 1>at height was about seven hundred and fifty thousand regular soldiers. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The British Empire at its height before the World War

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<v Speaker 1>started was about a hundred and twenty thousand British soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>They never spent more than about two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>percent of their GDP on defense, which is a regular

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers were like super serium, like Captain America. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have predicted a little bit where this is going. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>These soldiers are regular soldiers. They're volunteers, which is different

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<v Speaker 1>from most Most militaries in this period are not volunteer,

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<v Speaker 1>permanent standing military. So the British are a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>different there. But they're just normal, you know soldiers. They

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<v Speaker 1>have machine guns, which certainly helps with the whole colonizing thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Um or they have machine guns for a chunk of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, you know, it does beg the question. We've

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<v Speaker 1>only got a hundred and twenty thousand guys and from

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<v Speaker 1>most of the British Empire they don't have machine guns.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you hold a quarter of the planet in

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<v Speaker 1>bondage for two hundred years. But the whole army that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little larger than the modern Coast Guard in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States nukes? Is that the correct? No? No, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you you get the locals to oppress themselves. Yeah, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Codner, who was the head of Military Science for

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<v Speaker 1>the Royal United Services Institute, described the British Empire's military

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially quote the Royal Navy and a system of

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous constabularies overseen by a small but professional British Army. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I found that quote in a BBC article from back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eleven. The article also quoted a

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<v Speaker 1>military historian named Dr Hugh Davies who noted that all

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<v Speaker 1>of British in Bia was controlled by just thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>British troops supervising hundreds of thousands of local Indian soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>or set boys. He was quoted as saying, the empire

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<v Speaker 1>had to pay for itself, and it had to be profitable,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you put too much into building up the army,

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<v Speaker 1>the empire is no longer a profitable enterprise. He sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like the rap mogul, so that sentence sounds in his defense,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's justifying imperial realism. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>just explained this was the attitude that the imperialists had

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<v Speaker 1>is we can't spend too much money on the army,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise everything is for profit. Um. And British India was

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<v Speaker 1>conquered in the first place by a for profit corporation,

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<v Speaker 1>the East India Trading Company. The East India Company had

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<v Speaker 1>a private army of over a quarter of a million men.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of those were indigenous soldiers. So you know, local Indians,

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<v Speaker 1>people from Burma, whatever, local job. Yeah, no, yeah, exactly

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<v Speaker 1>by local very very ethical with our modern yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So the East India Company started taking over India in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteen hundreds, and by eighteen o three they controlled

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<v Speaker 1>most of what's now India, Pakistan and Burma. In eighteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>this giant multinational corporation declared war on Nepal, which was

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<v Speaker 1>at that point known as the Kingdom of Gorka. They

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<v Speaker 1>fought for two brutal years before the kingdom seated a

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<v Speaker 1>third of its territory to the company in exchange for peace.

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<v Speaker 1>The British one, but the Gorkas had put up a

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<v Speaker 1>really vicious fight in the East India Company was impressed

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<v Speaker 1>by their warriors, so they started recruiting these men into

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<v Speaker 1>their army. At first, these Gurkhas were used to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the peace and ever rebellious India, but the gurk Has

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<v Speaker 1>quickly proved themselves to be very capable warriors. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight, when the Queen formally took control of India

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<v Speaker 1>away from the Company, Gurkas were integrated into the Greater

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<v Speaker 1>British Army. They served as elite shock troops in World

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<v Speaker 1>War One and two. The British Army today still fields

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<v Speaker 1>battalions of Gurkhas recruited basically as mercenaries from Nepal and

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<v Speaker 1>paid far less than their British citizen counterparts. Sound that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like some unsolid It's a little bit like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the British like the Gurkhas because they were loyal

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<v Speaker 1>and just incredibly deadly. They carry these big knives called

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<v Speaker 1>kukries in there. There's a lot of if you go online,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find threads today where British veterans talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the stories their n c o S told about Gurkhas

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<v Speaker 1>and like there's a common one where you have to

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<v Speaker 1>tie your shoes a certain way because the Gurkhas cut

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<v Speaker 1>your foot off, well, know that. They when they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>espionage missions in the night, they'll tell who they want

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<v Speaker 1>to kill by feeling their bootlaces. They could tell like

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<v Speaker 1>in World War Two, they knew what German bootlaces felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>and so if an Allied soldier took boots off of

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<v Speaker 1>a dead German, he might get cut by a Gurkha

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<v Speaker 1>like this. It's a possibly apocryphal story, but variants of

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<v Speaker 1>it are still told today. So they'll kill you if

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<v Speaker 1>you tied your shoes wrong, essentially, if you tied your

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<v Speaker 1>shoes like the enemy. Yeah I heard that. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>the Gurkhas were like super soldiers of the British Empire

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<v Speaker 1>what you were getting in Yeah, they sound like sword

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<v Speaker 1>guys to me. Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're scary um.

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<v Speaker 1>And they weren't the only super soldiers in the British Empire. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Over their period of time conquering huge chunks of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>the British encountered a number of warrior people's. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>these people's, like the Gurkhas, had their own well developed

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<v Speaker 1>warrior culture already when the British arrived, and the British

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<v Speaker 1>just exploited it. But in other parts of the world

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<v Speaker 1>the process occurred less naturally. Take the tribes of the

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<v Speaker 1>West Nile region of Africa. Their first contact with more

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<v Speaker 1>technologically advanced people's came in the early eighteen hundreds when

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<v Speaker 1>successive groups of Arab slavers started praying on them. Certain

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<v Speaker 1>tribes who were the best fighters were enslaved by these

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<v Speaker 1>Arab slavers and used the soldiers to capture other Africans

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<v Speaker 1>who were then sent off to markets in North Africa

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bomber. This

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<v Speaker 1>whole story is going to be a kind of a bomber.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh great, Yeah, when you're talking colonialism, it's it's never

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<v Speaker 1>not a heartbreak. I mean, when aren't you talking colonialism?

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<v Speaker 1>If we if people want to get real, well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's one of the points. Like when you

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<v Speaker 1>start talking about dictators, especially from the seventies, eighties, nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>you can trace nearly all of them back to colonialism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure. Yeah, that's that's that's more or less

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<v Speaker 1>this story. Um So, by the eighteen seventies, the British

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<v Speaker 1>had become abolitionists in a big way, perhaps because they

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<v Speaker 1>felt kind of bad about, you know, the whole Atlantic

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<v Speaker 1>slave trade thing, but mostly because it was a way

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<v Speaker 1>to justify conquering colonies in Africa, saying, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the Arab slave traders, but we have to conquer

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<v Speaker 1>this whole chunk of Africa in order to stop the

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<v Speaker 1>slave trade. Right way to do it. They're a good

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<v Speaker 1>guy with a gun with a lot with all the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>um so, the British took over a huge chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>North Africa, including the Sudan, and with public pressure behind them,

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<v Speaker 1>they sent armies down to stop the slave traders. These armies,

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<v Speaker 1>like all British armies, were made mostly of locals. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of those locals were recently freed slave soldiers that the

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<v Speaker 1>British were happy to induct into their army. So they

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<v Speaker 1>would free these slave soldiers from the Arab slave traders,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they would induct them into a colonial military

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<v Speaker 1>and use them to fight slave traders. Sounds like college,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like the job market. I thought you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to compare this slight college football, but I was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah's absolutely um so. One such army of former slaves

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<v Speaker 1>was headed by a German doctor and a Muslim convert

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<v Speaker 1>named Emin Pasha. In the eighteen eighties, Immin Pasha and

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<v Speaker 1>his army were besieged by an Islamic army during the

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<v Speaker 1>Modest Insurrection. They were eventually freed by a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Morton Stanley, who regular listeners of the podcast will

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<v Speaker 1>recognize as the guy who mapped the Congo for King

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<v Speaker 1>Leopold of Belgium. Stanley took Pasha with him when he left,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pasha's men stayed behind in the West Nile region

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<v Speaker 1>garrison duty for a few years until they were picked

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<v Speaker 1>up by agents for the Imperial British East Africa Company.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the company representatives were always alert for new warrior

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<v Speaker 1>people to enlist, and they considered these men to be

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<v Speaker 1>quote the best material for soldiery in Africa. These tribes

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<v Speaker 1>came to be called Nubi or Nubians and became the

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<v Speaker 1>British empires shock troopers in Africa. The East Africa Company

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<v Speaker 1>used their Nubians to carve an empire out of the

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<v Speaker 1>continent's heart. They named their new colony Uganda. As the

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<v Speaker 1>British Empire grew, the Nubians were inducted into the regular

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<v Speaker 1>British army and became the elite fourth Battalion of the

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<v Speaker 1>King's African Rifles. They were Muslims, which differentiated them from

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<v Speaker 1>most of the peoples they were sent to suppress in

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<v Speaker 1>Central and West Africa. The British basically turned the Nubian

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<v Speaker 1>people into a living, breathing factory for the production of

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<v Speaker 1>the deadliest colonial soldiers in Africa, and yes, being bred

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<v Speaker 1>for war had a negative impact on the Nubians themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what one former commanding officer of the King's African

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<v Speaker 1>Rifles wrote about them. Quote, the Nubians became the most

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<v Speaker 1>feared and influential ethnic group, and you Ganda mercilessly suppressing

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<v Speaker 1>uprisings and tribal supproots at the behest of their British masters.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the success of these early operations that gave

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<v Speaker 1>them contempt for all pagan and Christian tribes in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy four, a journalist named David Martin echo

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<v Speaker 1>the sentiment quote. Among their fellow countrymen, they enjoyed an

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<v Speaker 1>unenviable reputation of having one of the world's highest homicide rates.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dubians were renowned for their statistic brutality, lack of

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<v Speaker 1>formal education, for poisoning enemies and for the refusal to

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<v Speaker 1>integrate even in the urban centers. Martin was in Uganda

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<v Speaker 1>to write about one Nubian in particular, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>deadliest warriors to ever serve in the King's African Rifles,

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Idy. I mean, okay, wow, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's this guy. Sounds like Black Republicans to me are

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<v Speaker 1>on the wrong team. I mean they're like, did they

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<v Speaker 1>ever have a choice? Like, yeah, exactly, you're right, highlights.

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<v Speaker 1>If you recruited people as soldiers for a hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>and don't really give them any other options for anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do, it's it's it's not going to be pretty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear that. I mean I grew up in a

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<v Speaker 1>bad neighborhood also, but I didn't become a tough warrior.

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<v Speaker 1>I just became a comedian with a smart mouth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there were a few Nubian comedians and that like

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<v Speaker 1>part of the difficulty here is like all these stories

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<v Speaker 1>about how brutal they are coming from like British and

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<v Speaker 1>American white guys. Yeah, totally, they're probably just like pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably just like I don't know, trying to invent

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<v Speaker 1>whatever sports game that they had trying to play some

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<v Speaker 1>football and they were like, well, these guys are brutal,

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<v Speaker 1>they're kicking our ass. Well, I mean it's like British football,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, for sure, can it be? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like if colonizers came over to Africa and then

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<v Speaker 1>the Africans just like dunk to basketball, they'll be like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>these brutal power. It's a shame of basketballers over there. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So Idi Amine was born sometimes between n we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know for sure. Um he was probably born in

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<v Speaker 1>the village of Cococa in northwest Uganda. He was for

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<v Speaker 1>sure a Kakwa, which were one of the Nubian tribes

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<v Speaker 1>that British considered to be a warrior people. Now. Eddie's

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<v Speaker 1>father served with the British Army and the King's African

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<v Speaker 1>Rifles and was generally out of the picture. His mother

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<v Speaker 1>is usually described as a witch or a self proclaimed sorceress. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the documentary when I was sort of prepping

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<v Speaker 1>for this thing that was called, i mean, The Rise

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<v Speaker 1>and Fall, and it was it was a terrible documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those like nineties made for TV movies

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<v Speaker 1>where all the actings bad and it's very sensational, super biased,

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<v Speaker 1>and it leans into this stuff that I think most

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<v Speaker 1>people have heard about idi amine, which was like witchcraft, cannibalism,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, which will be we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a little bit later. But is uh, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that just sounds like Los Angeles culture, witchcraft, astrology, and

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<v Speaker 1>the veganism not much, not so much cannibalism. Yeah, yeah, yeah, veganisms. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a better ism than CA's. But we're we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into, uh sort of how a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>facts are unreliable about Ittie. But the way that this

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<v Speaker 1>terrible documentary summed up Ittie's childhood I found humorous, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the child grew up by the river learning the

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<v Speaker 1>ways of manhood and the spells of witchcraft, which that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of sums up I think the general common popular

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<v Speaker 1>perception of who this guy was. It sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>fished a lot boy. Yeah, And there's always there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot of dark stories about rivers. Whenever you

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<v Speaker 1>read about the scary Yeah, how did the ocean get

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<v Speaker 1>to the land that way? Yeah, it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>like anytime you read about a place with that's like

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<v Speaker 1>famous for its rivers, and they have some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like horrible butchery happened. There's just always tons of stories

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<v Speaker 1>about kids finding heads in the rivers. We were just

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cambodia when it was the same thing, just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you find all kinds of weird stuff in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, the witchcraft stuffed is almost certainly racist bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>What witchcraft wasn't is still common in parts of Uganda.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, was it practicing Muslim? You on? And Muslims

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<v Speaker 1>had their own kind of witchcrafty tradition where people would

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<v Speaker 1>use the Koran to foretell the future, and he certainly

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<v Speaker 1>used that, but he wasn't doing like pagan blood magic

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Yeah, all of this sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>astrology so far. What was the sign doesn't say? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the Islamic version of astrology, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, probably queries yea um Witchcraft was less of

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<v Speaker 1>a factor in his regime than the traditions and rituals

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<v Speaker 1>of his beloved British army. Um so it he was

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<v Speaker 1>eventually abandoned by his father and by some accounts his

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<v Speaker 1>mother too. It's kind of hard to tell what happened there.

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<v Speaker 1>He got as far as the fourth grade before he

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<v Speaker 1>dropped out of school. When he was at most seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>a British colonial army officer noted his tremendous size and

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<v Speaker 1>recruited him into the King's African Rifles. He started his

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<v Speaker 1>service as a cook's assistant, literally peeling potatoes, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like the stereotypical bottom of the wrong army job. But

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<v Speaker 1>he seems like if you're big, that you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>a rifleman. We're gonna make you target. You're a pragmat man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would only recruit the little guys, the

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<v Speaker 1>most weird army ever. Um, he didn't stay at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom long it. He was gigantic. He was like six

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<v Speaker 1>ft four, well over two hundred pounds, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>in his younger days. He gets kind of heavier as

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<v Speaker 1>an older guy, but like you could get picture him

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<v Speaker 1>and he's young, he is solid muscle, like he is

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<v Speaker 1>just a mountain of a man. Yeah, me too. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got about three inches and that's about it. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was a perfect candidate to become a heavyweight boxer, which

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what happened. According to Robert Keeley, Deputy chief

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<v Speaker 1>of the US Mission in Kempoala quote. His advancements came

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<v Speaker 1>essentially through boxing. He was very tall, with a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>reach in big hands. He was big and strong and tough.

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<v Speaker 1>In general. You could picture him in any culture as

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<v Speaker 1>a heavyweight champion, and that's what he was. The Ugandans

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<v Speaker 1>are very fine boxers. They still prove it to this

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<v Speaker 1>day in the Olympics. They have a strong boxing tradition

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<v Speaker 1>which the British encouraged. The main avenue for advancement in

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<v Speaker 1>the army was boxing. Um So I mean eventually became

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<v Speaker 1>the heavyweight champion of the Army and in nineteen one

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty two the heavyweight champion of all Uganda. His

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<v Speaker 1>ability to punch people proved useful in maintaining discipline among

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<v Speaker 1>other soldiers in his unit. Here's another quote from Keiley.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Idi Amine became prominent as the link between the two.

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<v Speaker 1>The officers sitting around sipping their tea or their brandy

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<v Speaker 1>or their port, upon hearing some noises and disruptions outside,

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<v Speaker 1>would call in Sergeant Amine and tell him to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of the problem. I Mean goes out. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some shouts and screams as he knocks him heads together

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<v Speaker 1>and kick some butt and then silence. The officers resumed

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<v Speaker 1>their sipping in a very appreciative of performance. They eventually

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<v Speaker 1>made him the top sergeant o um, because of course

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<v Speaker 1>sergeant was as high as an actual African could raise

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<v Speaker 1>in the King's African Rifles. And we're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>have any Africans be officers in any of the British

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<v Speaker 1>colonial armies out of the world, or I think in

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<v Speaker 1>India for that matter, which is, you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a racist colonial power, you don't want anybody in your army.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't have like you've got to recruit soldiers from

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<v Speaker 1>the locals, but you don't want them learning about supply

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<v Speaker 1>lines and logistics and stuff. Yeah good, Yeah, then they'll

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<v Speaker 1>know how to, you know, overthrow the seven guys that

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<v Speaker 1>you have there. Yeah, that's why I'm I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>promoted to any officer ranks. I mean, how's your boxing?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean very very, very bad. But if we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a wee game, then still very bad. So we

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<v Speaker 1>need an army where yeah, where we as the product

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<v Speaker 1>I mean with drones nowadays, that's that's the future. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's the future. I hear you. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was the perfect soldier for the British Empire. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who served with him in those days was impressed both

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<v Speaker 1>by his toughness and by his almost superhuman strength. His

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<v Speaker 1>commanding officer, Ian Graham, said that his body was quote

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<v Speaker 1>like that of a Grecian sculpture during one terrible march,

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<v Speaker 1>when all of the other men could barely continue quote,

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<v Speaker 1>one man was an example and an inspiration to us all.

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<v Speaker 1>As we finally passed the finishing post, Idioman was marching

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<v Speaker 1>beside me at the head of the column, head held

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<v Speaker 1>high and still singing for all he was worth. Across

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<v Speaker 1>one shoulder were two in guns, and a brin is

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<v Speaker 1>a like a machine gun. It's like a twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>pound like machine gun that you you know, put on

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<v Speaker 1>a tripod on the ground. So two of those in

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<v Speaker 1>one hand and over the other was a crippled a scari,

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<v Speaker 1>And the ascari was a British word for like a

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<v Speaker 1>local soldier. So he had one of his wounded comrades

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<v Speaker 1>on one arm and two machine guns on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the kind of soldier he made. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just he was. He was like he was. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a super soldier. Man He invented CrossFit, apparently some Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Rogan alpha brain kind of guy. Now. Ian Graham said

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<v Speaker 1>that seeing this reminded him of a translation of another

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<v Speaker 1>of a King's African Rifles marching song that I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to read you the song, which is explained sort of

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<v Speaker 1>how the British viewed men sing Oh boy, that's I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can do a good British accent here, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I can sing it rhyme. It does.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely rhymes, and it's a bit racist. Now for this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you need to understand the word suity is

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<v Speaker 1>another word for Nubian, like it's like a local term

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<v Speaker 1>for like people who are from his group of of Uganda's.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the British fighting song that this guy thought

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<v Speaker 1>of when he saw Idio I mean marching. It's the Suiti,

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<v Speaker 1>My boy, it's the Suiti with his grim set, ugly face.

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<v Speaker 1>But he looks like a man and he fights like

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<v Speaker 1>a man, for he comes of a fighting race, which

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what these people were to the British. I

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<v Speaker 1>assume there was more, but this was the lion that

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<v Speaker 1>this guy recalled, which is like, it shows you exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what the British thought of these guys is that they

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<v Speaker 1>are soldiers. That's why, and that's what they were bred

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<v Speaker 1>for and encouraged for. And they didn't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>People of like the Coquit tribe, didn't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than send their sons to fight for the

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<v Speaker 1>British army and the British would take care of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they respond with their own distract or. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a distract at that point, bad, Yeah it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets yeah, it gets better. Um. So young

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<v Speaker 1>Aman was sent to war several times on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the British Empire. In he went to Malia to suppress

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<v Speaker 1>the Shift of Rebellion. In nine fifty two he went

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<v Speaker 1>sent to Kenya to suppress the Mau Mau uprising. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk about the Mau Mau uprising a lot these days,

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<v Speaker 1>but it basically started as a bunch of Kenyan rebels

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<v Speaker 1>who were angry, angry because the British were whipping people

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<v Speaker 1>half to death, which is that's how British kept discipline

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<v Speaker 1>and all their African colonies was just horrific amounts of whipping. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So these guys rose up and they killed some British

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<v Speaker 1>people in the British sent an army and brutally suppressed it.

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<v Speaker 1>They put more than one and a half million Kenyans

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<v Speaker 1>in concentration camps. They hanged thousands of them. Eat probably

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<v Speaker 1>would have been doing a good amount of the hanging um.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also killed the number of warriors in vicious

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<v Speaker 1>battles in places like Kenyoma and Kenema. So he's been

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<v Speaker 1>raised just as a soldier and now he's been brutalized

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<v Speaker 1>suppressing multiple colonial wars very violently. Man, successful black man.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he just turned around betrays culture. Classic story.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he kind of starts with the betrayal, right

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<v Speaker 1>and later well we'll get too later right now. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, there's more. There's a lot. So by the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen fifties, Iddy had risen as high as an

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<v Speaker 1>African could in the King's African Rifles, which is sergeant.

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<v Speaker 1>The British, yeah, as I said, didn't let their locals

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<v Speaker 1>be officers in their armies. Uh. This policy came back

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<v Speaker 1>to bite them in the ass in the late fifties

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<v Speaker 1>because by that point it had become clear that colonialism

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<v Speaker 1>was on its way out. The British were preparing to

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<v Speaker 1>release Uganda as an independent nation. Unfortunately, the British hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>governed any of their colonies as countries. They basically just

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<v Speaker 1>treated them as money making enterprises corporations, essentially, with all

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<v Speaker 1>the business of statecraft kept out of the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>the locals. The British were required by international you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the international community, to leave Uganda with an army so

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<v Speaker 1>it could defend itself, but they hadn't trained any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of officer corps into Uganda, um, which is an important

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<v Speaker 1>thing to have, which is why every military in the

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<v Speaker 1>world has an officer corps. You know, you train people

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<v Speaker 1>to do certain jobs. But the Ugandans just didn't have that,

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<v Speaker 1>and rather than spend more money in time to build

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<v Speaker 1>an officer corps for their soon to be country, the

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<v Speaker 1>British just randomly promoted the sergeants they liked best. One

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<v Speaker 1>of those sergeants was a boxer with a fourth grade

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<v Speaker 1>education named Idie I mean yeah. He was commissioned in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, right before uganda independence. He found himself

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of a platoon in northwest Kenya, captured a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of prisoners and ordered them to be executed. The

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<v Speaker 1>British governor of Uganda. Sir Walter Coates vetoed the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of Ittie being charged for this war crime. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the few African soldiers in the entire

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<v Speaker 1>officers in the entire army, and prosecuting him right before

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<v Speaker 1>independence was named politically undesirable. No one stopped to consider

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not it might be bad for Uganda if

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<v Speaker 1>one of their high ranking military leaders was a war criminal. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So when we get back, we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>how Idi Amine rose to power and to be the

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<v Speaker 1>president of Uganda and what happened next, which it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a dark story, but we we have we

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<v Speaker 1>have some ads first off, and before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>they will be after this video. Let's hear from some

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<v Speaker 1>did want to get into before we dig into the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the story, what you recall about Idiomine before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into his career. Not much. I have heard

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<v Speaker 1>the name before. I've heard there was a president. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to who's a bad guy. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the details. I mean already I've learned way more than

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. Uh yeah, before you know, it was even

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<v Speaker 1>it even became an independent nation. I didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they killed so many people. Yeah, well, it

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those things I hadn't I had vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>heard yet. As president of Uganda, there were these rumors

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<v Speaker 1>of witchcraft and cannibalism. Um. I hadn't known any of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff about sort of how the British military worked

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and the fact that he was basically

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<v Speaker 1>bred to suppress insurgencies, like that's what the British used

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<v Speaker 1>his people for, was controlling populations through brutality. Um, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is an important thing to get into here

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise it's just a story of like this dictator,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't rise up out of anything. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like and I think he went up to the system.

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<v Speaker 1>He paid his dues, and he was also trained, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to where when we get into the things

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<v Speaker 1>he did in Uganda that were brutal, they're all echoes

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<v Speaker 1>of things he was doing for the British, like they

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not just a story of like some horrible

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<v Speaker 1>dictator rose up and did terrible things. It's the British

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<v Speaker 1>trained this guy to do terrible things on their behalf

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<v Speaker 1>and then abandoned the country if you gone to him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is basically this guy is completely might meets right

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<v Speaker 1>and um, yeah, that's dangerous. It's really dangerous, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous if you don't. Like. People like that exist in

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<v Speaker 1>every culture. We've got more than our fair share of

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<v Speaker 1>them in the United States. We have a we have

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<v Speaker 1>structures built up to like make sure that those people

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<v Speaker 1>don't wind up in charge of the military or whatever. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not to the extent where it's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason we've never had the army sees power like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's in our country. Yeah, we've definitely, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's because we give them so much money. Um. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so not just cool cool ranch, let's get back to Idio.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, um, but seriously, Dorito's people send us a drop,

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<v Speaker 1>us a home. We're at Bastard's pot on Twitter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Idi Amine has just committed a war crime right before

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<v Speaker 1>you got an independence, and the British governor of Uganda

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<v Speaker 1>has sort of hushed up the whole thing because he's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only officers and they didn't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they just they just didn't want any complications.

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<v Speaker 1>They said it would be politically undesirable if this came

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<v Speaker 1>up right before independence. So uh, Idi Amine, now an officer,

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<v Speaker 1>rises again rapidly through the ranks. According to Robert Keeley,

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<v Speaker 1>he advanced by eliminating his rivals in one fashion or another,

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<v Speaker 1>either physically or by discrediting them, or by scaring them

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<v Speaker 1>or somewhere or another. His promotions came frequently, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>good at working the system. Um, he understands how the

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<v Speaker 1>British military works. And yeah, and if there's one man

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<v Speaker 1>who knows how to hustle, it's Idi Amine. Now. On

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<v Speaker 1>October nine, ninety two, Uganda gains its independence from Great Britain. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got His first prime minister was a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Milton Aboute, and the president was a guy named Edward Mutessa.

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<v Speaker 1>Mutessa was also the king of the Wanda, who were

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<v Speaker 1>a southern tribe in Uganda. He was better known as

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<v Speaker 1>King Freddie. Uh. For a little while, Mutessa and a

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<v Speaker 1>Bote co existed and things were all right in Uganda. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Milton Aboute, like idi Amine, came from northern Uganda. He

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<v Speaker 1>advocated for a great African awakening. He was a socialist,

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<v Speaker 1>although not a very dogmatic one. The West generally disliked him. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was also super corrupt, which is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a theme in this story. So by nineteen sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>idi Amine had been named deputy army commander under a

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<v Speaker 1>dude with the really cool name shaban ap a Lot,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of my favorite names that I've encountered

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<v Speaker 1>in this podcast research. Um. He saw action again, fighting

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<v Speaker 1>alongside Katanga rebels who were battling the government of Zi

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<v Speaker 1>year It. He took gold and diamonds from the rebels

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<v Speaker 1>and gave them guns from the Uganda Army in exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>He then sold the lute for cash. A Botte, the

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<v Speaker 1>president got it on the racket. There was a brief

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<v Speaker 1>parliamentary inquiry, but Abote had all the other people in

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<v Speaker 1>the scheme arrested and so he and he and Ittie

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<v Speaker 1>were fine. Um. Now, nineteen sixty six, a Bote got

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<v Speaker 1>tired of sharing power and susp end at the constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent Colonel Idi Amine to attack the palace and

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<v Speaker 1>bring the king back dead or alive. The king managed

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<v Speaker 1>to flee the country, but the coup succeeded in a

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<v Speaker 1>vote was left as the sole power in Uganda. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this did not make the British happy. Um. The Baganda

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<v Speaker 1>where their favorite tribe in Uganda. Winston Churchill, under Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of State for the Colonies from nineteen o five to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen Yeah, super good guy. Never caused a famine half

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<v Speaker 1>million people. Yeah, not not even well once. But led

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<v Speaker 1>he among us who was not starved, we all cause

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of famines, you know. Uh. He considered the

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<v Speaker 1>Baganda to be civilized, um, which means basically that they'd

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<v Speaker 1>all converted to Christianity easily. Their territory was just where

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the British wound up putting the railroad and their administration buildings.

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<v Speaker 1>So the begun is where the people. The British had

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<v Speaker 1>spent the most time within Uganda. They considered them civilized

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<v Speaker 1>because they acted like British people are the good Yeah, exactly. Um. Now,

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the Ugandan people, most of whom weren't begun and supported

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>aboutees kicking down the king Um. They saw him as

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<v Speaker 1>casting down a British backed monarch. They saw this as

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<v Speaker 1>a true break from the past and chance at a

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<v Speaker 1>new beginning. It was an exciting time, but the excitement

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<v Speaker 1>soon faded in the reality of about his ridiculous corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>People protested, of course, in by nineteen sixty nine, the

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<v Speaker 1>government could only stay in power with the military's backing.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Edi had been popular with the British because he

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<v Speaker 1>was a great soldier and because he spoke English with

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<v Speaker 1>just the right accent that made them think he was

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<v Speaker 1>cute and dumb because they were racist as fuck. But

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<v Speaker 1>Iddy was not dumb. While the government had grown more

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<v Speaker 1>dependent on his military, he started recruiting hundreds of his

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<v Speaker 1>relatives and fellow Nubians into the army and putting them

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<v Speaker 1>in the positions he would want them in when it

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<v Speaker 1>was time to take power. UM. This was disrupted in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy when an assassin tried to kill President Aboute

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<v Speaker 1>and shot him through the mouth. American diplomat Bovu now

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<v Speaker 1>recalled the army went a muck and for about twelve hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a pretty horrifying situation. It appears to have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten confused and thought the attempt was a coup against

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<v Speaker 1>both him and a Bote, so he ran uh he

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<v Speaker 1>quote jumped out the back window of his house and

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<v Speaker 1>his pajamas and disappeared, which really mystified us all because

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<v Speaker 1>they were expecting that this assassination attempt was him seizing power,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just somebody else. So he was mocked

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks in the wake of the attack because he

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<v Speaker 1>ran out in the night in his pajamas, and a

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<v Speaker 1>number of people counted him out as a force in

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<v Speaker 1>Ugandan politics at this point. But Idio embarked on a

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<v Speaker 1>redemption tour. Part of that was having a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people clandestinely executed in the night. Part of it was

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<v Speaker 1>showing up in public with a bunch of his armed

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<v Speaker 1>friends and just scaring people. Uh. No, All was there

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<v Speaker 1>for part of that too. He was at at a

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<v Speaker 1>bar one night and he quote you know, he saw

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<v Speaker 1>he saw it quote I walked out of the bar

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a mean, a huge man, an enormous fellow,

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<v Speaker 1>with his officers and their weapons, sitting in the main lounge,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at attention, not talking, just looking around. I thought, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen. They sat there for about half

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<v Speaker 1>an hour, and then Aman said something in one of

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<v Speaker 1>the local languages, and they all got up and walked

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<v Speaker 1>out of there. What it was, I'm convinced to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>was a threat on part on the part of a

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<v Speaker 1>mean about re establishing his position. He knew that he

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<v Speaker 1>was laughed at because he ran away. This was his reprisal,

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<v Speaker 1>his counter threat, and it worked. People were scared to death.

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<v Speaker 1>So they might have been more scared by the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Diddie had had a number of people killed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that he just sat there for half hour. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit like some guy just sits

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<v Speaker 1>in the bar staring at you with like his friends

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and all their guns. You know, that's intimidating. So yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ieen seventy one, president of BOTE, went to Singapore

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<v Speaker 1>for a conference. Before he left, he put out the

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<v Speaker 1>order that Idioman was to be arrested for massive corruption

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<v Speaker 1>and murder, which Iddie was guilty of, but which Abote

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<v Speaker 1>was guilty of too. Before the warrant could be served,

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<v Speaker 1>idi Amine launched launched his coup. The killing started right away.

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>At least a thousand soldiers from tribes that it he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't trust were massacred. The river filled with corpses um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know, when you tell the story, like

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>when I hear stories like this, I'm like, I don't

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>even know where all these people. How many people are

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>are they going to kill before they just completely run

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>out of people? You know, It's like, yeah, they really

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<v Speaker 1>go pretty far. And by the time this is all

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>over it, he will have killed at there's something like

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<v Speaker 1>one in fifty seven of the people in Uganda. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not the worst of them, which we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to as well. Oh my god, he's just the one

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 1>that everyone focuses on because there's rumors that he ate people.

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<v Speaker 1>Um Sonal was the American diplomatic officer in Uganda, so

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<v Speaker 1>he had responsibility for all of the eight hundred Dish

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<v Speaker 1>American citizens in country. Uh. He told those people to

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<v Speaker 1>hold fast and chill at home, and that went fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was also a tourist group in town who

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<v Speaker 1>were furious that this coup got in the way of

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>their vacation. So I want to read this story just

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a little levity. It's just American. It's rich

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Americans acting like rich Americans in the middle of a coup.

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<v Speaker 1>That's life and death for the people in Uganda. We

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to go on a nice vacation on some

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<v Speaker 1>endangered animals. I said to them, look, the airport is closed.

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<v Speaker 1>And later the tour leader turned to me and said, well, Mr, now,

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>these are important people. They haven't got time to wait around.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to miss their connections in Nairobi. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're damn right. They're going to miss their nections in Nairobi,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going to get hungry, they're going to get tired,

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>they're going to get dirty, and they're going to want

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to get their laundry done. And it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be done because I don't see any chance of these

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>folks leaving for four or five days. And that was

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>just the case. They were furious. One guy, the president

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<v Speaker 1>of this big liquor distributing company in Hartford, Connecticut, High

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Blood or Hue Mind or something. He beat me about

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that on the head and shoulders. He said he had

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>to get back to sign a contract. I said, you

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>can't do it. There are soldiers at the airport who

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>will kill you. Um, which I just love. Like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>people getting murdered in the street and you're like, I've

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>got a contract to get back to. Yeah. That sounds

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>like every screenplay or a businessman is inconvenience. Yeah, it's

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, there's a terrorist hijacking the airplane and

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:47.719
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'm gonna miss the account. I gotta get

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 1>home for Christmas. Um So, Okay, that was a nice

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>little interlude. So in short order, idi Amine is the

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<v Speaker 1>new president of Uganda. That's a position he would hold

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>for more than eight years. The West Stern powers, mainly

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the British and the Americans, were hopeful. At first. They

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>hated a Botte because he was a socialist and because

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>he was even more corrupt than they were prepared to forgive.

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Idiomine had a good reputation among the British. He trained

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>as a paratrooper in Israel, so Israel really liked the

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>guy too. Um So, yeah, at first, it seems like

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>this new dictator is going to be great for white people. Um.

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, Lady Listowell, who was a Hungarian noblewoman and

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>a journalist who became Adie's first biographer, met him around

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>this time. And here's how she described meeting him for

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the first time, to give you an idea of like

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>how this guy comes across quote. I looked into the

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>smiling face of a tall, muscular officer with shrewd eyes

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>who invited me to a cup of coffee. He was

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a hoaking figure of a man, and I was fascinated

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>by his hands. Beautiful, slim hands with long, tapering fingers.

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>We gotta your horny gotta, I just love. We did

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 1>a podcast on King Leopold of Belgium, the guy who

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 1>massacred fifteen million people in the Congo, and in his

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>biography there's like a whole paragraph talking about how beautiful

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 1>his hands work. So I just that's apparently that's now.

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>If I can find one more that's officially hands were

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>beautiful hands. I'm just always shocked that apparently some people

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 1>are really staring at hands a lot. Yeah, I know,

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>and you never hear about like, you know, his cuticles

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>weren't not well manicured, his figures were a little long.

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>It was really Yeah. Yeah, there were actually reasons that

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 1>a reasonable person who wasn't you know, purely looking at

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this from like the British point of view, might have

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 1>thought Idiom and had a shot at being a good president. Uh.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>For one thing, he was a fun guy. Everybody who

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>met him really spoke highly of him, Like everybody, like

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>even people who later were like, oh yeah, he definitely

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>committed atrocities. He was charming. It was a fun guy

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to be around. Yeah. I met him and I was

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>so scared. I was like, this guy is going to

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>kill me. And so I was like, nice guy, great guy. Um.

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>He was obsessed with Scotland, which is one of the

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>famous things about Idiom. Yeah, all of the officers and

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>um yeah, and he had he loved people playing bagpipe weird.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>All of the officers in the King's African Rifles have

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>been Scottish and so Dye just really loved Scottish culture.

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>He had huge He had a whole plane. Do you

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>remember seeing him in like clothing and he's wearing like

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.439
<v Speaker 1>plaid and stuff. And there's a movie about him that's

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>not super accurate. It's called The Last King of Scotland. Yeah, yeah. Um.

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>And he had a whole plane dedicated just bringing Scottish

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>whiskey into uh Uganda, Like there was like a presidential plane.

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.359
<v Speaker 1>That's it's just the Whiskey Express, which is a cool

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:40.240
<v Speaker 1>thing to differ. Yeah no, that's that's that's legitimately fine.

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Um yeah no, we have a vodka guy, fly the

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Whiskey Express. He's fine until he gets home. Uh Idy

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.240
<v Speaker 1>adopted a number of British military traditions for his own military.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>He sent a musician to Scotland for year to learn

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the bagpipes. He also established a state military jazz band

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.399
<v Speaker 1>with perhaps the best name of for a band I've

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>ever heard, the Revolutionary Suicide Jazz Band, also known as

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the Revolutionary Suicide Mechanized Regiment Band or the Suicide Mechanized

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Jazz Band. And here's there a punk band. No, they

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>were just a jazz band. They should have been a

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>punk band. Suicide they were. This is a really great picture.

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>They were the regimental band. They were a military band,

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and the band they were a unit for was one

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>of the elite mechanized regiments in the Ugandan Army that

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>was a suicide mechanized regiment. So it was like to

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>try to make them sound scary. These guys don't care

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>if they die. They're a suicide regiment for sure. Uh.

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And this amazing picture, with several others will be up

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.919
<v Speaker 1>on our website behind the Bastards dot Com. You owe

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:50.399
<v Speaker 1>it to yourself to check it out. Um. Yeah, So

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it also seems I should know that from from reports

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>at the time, most of the musicians in the Suicide

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary Jazz Band were sort of press ganged and forced

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to play. Um. They don't look exactly happy, but they

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>don't look jazz wow. Um. Sotty's rain was brutal by

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>all measures, uh, and got increasingly brutal ass time went on.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>There are a number of theories as to why Robert

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Keeley thinks he was just promoted out of his depth.

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Like Michael Scott. Basically was a fine sergeant, but he

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>never should have been an officer, let alone running the nation,

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 1>which is one way or another probably fair. Keely says

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>quote he had learned to use his fists and translated

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that into how you hold your position, how you protect yourself.

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 1>He applied all of the brutal boxing lessons he had

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>learned against his rivals. Uh. Lady Listowell also thought that

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>this poor guy had just been forced to jump into

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>a position too complex for his mind. Quote the Kakua

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 1>have a great respect for personalities, but not for rank

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 1>or position. They never had chiefs or recognized clan leaders.

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean was brought up to believe that all Cowqua

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>tribesmen are equal. Some of his recent measures illustrate all

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:51.720
<v Speaker 1>too well that he had to leap from a peasant

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>background into the complicated politics of the modern world without

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 1>any intermediate feudal preparation. I think this attitude that Eddy

0:38:58.680 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>was just a guy that who got promoted to be

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 1>on his talents is inaccurate and based pretty heavily in racism.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>It shifts the brain the blame over to Uganda for

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>letting such a man rise that high, and I think

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the real blame lies with the British. Again, there's guys

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>like Idy in every country. Violent authoritarians who seek to

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>impose their will on others. Established nation's build antibodies, up

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>checks and balances and legal systems, and established bureaucracies to

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 1>stop men with fourth grade educations and histories of head

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 1>injuries from heading the army. Well that sounds nice right

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>about now. Well, clearly ours aren't perfect. Um so, but

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>you know Uganda didn't have any any of that. The

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>British didn't put any of that in place before. They

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>just abandoned them. Um. I Like it's one of those

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>things where if you look at what was set up

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>when the Uganda was freed, I don't see someone like

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 1>idy was bound to at least try to take control. Yeah,

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like they set up the country like a

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 1>reality show. Yeah, yeah, it is almost like that. Yeah,

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>they were like here, you guys, go here, some sticks

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>survive and they didn't. They didn't consider any of the

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>ways it could go badly. Um and they didn't like

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 1>they know, like the British have never had a military

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>coup and they have an officer cadre for a reason.

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>They like set like they know how you set up

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>a military so it doesn't destroy the country. And they

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't do any of that in Uganda because they were

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 1>lazy and they didn't care. Uh So, fun the fun

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the British and Flint Michigan still doesn't have clean water. Yeah,

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>fun us too, for sure, for sure, for sure this

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 1>one is actually this one's sort of are bad too,

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>because we're we we we supported the Idiomine regime for

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a while, we being the United States, fuck everybody, funck

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>everybody except for Uganda. They didn't deserve for Dorrito's. Now,

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Derrito's had nothing to do with this good That's that's fair.

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And and you could argue that Derritos has stopped similar

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>monsters from arising in other countries by filling them with

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>nachio goodness. Yeah, that's right, you stop the monster of hunger.

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>As far as we know, Idiomane never got to experience

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>extreme nacho flavor, and that might be the secret of

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:09.280
<v Speaker 1>his madness. The only extremism he should have been into

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>is na jesu. So yeah. When the British first started

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the Ugandan colony, they had carried out a policy of

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 1>ringing in South Asians, mostly from India, to Uganda to

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>quote service a buffer between Europeans and Africans in the

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>middle runs of commerce and administration. This had started when

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the British brought thirty Indians over to build railways in Uganda.

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Uh these folks had a lot more experience with Western

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.919
<v Speaker 1>style capitalism in the average Ugandan and as a result,

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>they saw great success setting up businesses in the new colony.

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 1>By the early nineteen seventies, Ugandan Asians owned nine of

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the country's businesses and contributed of its tax revenue, despite

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>making up a small minority of the actual population. UH.

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>This has obviously caused a lot of unrest between native

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>ethnic Ugandans and the Ugandan Asians. President de Boute had

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>pursued a policy called Corchanization, which attacked Ugandan Asians with

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>laws aimed at reducing their economic dominance it. He expanded

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>on that policy and added in a healthy dollop of

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>straight up raisism. He announced that the government would be

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>reviewing the status of Ugandan Asians who'd been given citizenship.

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.280
<v Speaker 1>So basically they're looking at naturalized Yuganan citizens and finding

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 1>excuses to take away their citizenship. Yeah, that's what's happening

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>right now. Yes, it's exactly what's happening right now to

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:28.479
<v Speaker 1>naturalized American citizens. UM, which is uh, huge bummer, huge

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>bumber weird. How these shitty guys have the same playbook

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of cases. UM. I mean also canceled

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>all in progress citizenship applications from Asians UH. And then

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>in August of nineteen seventy two, who gave all Asians

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 1>in Uganda ninety days to vacate the country. So we're

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna get into how that policy went and what a

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>cluster fuck ensued afterwards, and what happened once the West

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>finally decided that Idi Amine wasn't their man. But first

0:42:55.560 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>we've got some some capitalism to get into. Yeah, capitalism,

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the thing that has nothing to do with the tens

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 1>of millions of death STI colonialism not a thing. Not

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>a thing. Here's some ants and we're back. So as

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the story has has come up here, Idioman has seized power.

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>He's executed a bunch of people, and he has decided

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 1>to expel all of the Asians in Uganda. He's given

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>him ninety days to vacate the country. This policy affected

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>eighty five thousand people, twenty three thousand of whom were

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>already citizens of Uganda. I'm gonna play a clip of

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Idi Amine talking to the press to hear how he

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>justified the policy. And I think what's interesting about this

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is how friendly the foreign press is to him, which

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of gives you an idea of how charming this

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>guy was in person. So even though he's introduced, he's

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about something pretty awful, like people are they just yeah,

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I'll play decision for the economy of Uganda, and I'm

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>he makes you that every Ugandans get a fruit of

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 1>independent since independent actually Uganda is not yet independent. I

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>will say that even when the British handed over on

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the ninth of October nineteen sixty two, the Uganda still

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>not yet independent. Uganda will be independent after this my decision.

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>After I want to see that the whole Kampala street

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 1>is not full of Indians. It must be proper black

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>under administration in those shops is run by the Ugandans.

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Would you like to get all actions out of Really? Yes,

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>they must go to their country, even nationals of Uganda.

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 1>If they want to go there, they're they're they're They're

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>welcome to go. Also happened to these people If they

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 1>don't go over the time, I think they will be

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 1>sitting like they're sitting on the fire. I will tell

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you this. You just wait. After three months, okay, you

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 1>will see. I think they will not city comfortable here

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in Uganda. I will tell you this. I must actually

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:13.919
<v Speaker 1>tell you the truth to take for them. If they're

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not doing I am not responsible for building them plans

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 1>to camp. Have you asked the British to take the way. Yes,

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>it is a British High commission is here his responsibility.

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.479
<v Speaker 1>I have told him. You've said you wanted to teach

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Britain a lesson? President, why is that? And that is

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:36.400
<v Speaker 1>now a lesson I'm teaching the British. I am teaching

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>now the lesson because I am correcting them from the

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 1>mistake they had made. If they had to think before

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>earlier that that as the African here who can even work,

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 1>and the building the railway with the instruction given to

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:57.399
<v Speaker 1>them by the British, this problem will not happen. Well,

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like a MOUNTI python. Yeah, it's remarkable that

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:05.879
<v Speaker 1>he's like talking about like people, terrible things will happen

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 1>in that they don't leave. And then all of these

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 1>guys laugh like just because it's it's yeah, and it's so.

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he has a point at the end there

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>when he says like it was fucked up the British

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>to bring these people into build railroads and not just

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 1>have us build railroads because it's our fucking country, which

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is you know, a fair point. But at this point

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 1>these guys are like third generation Uganda's like it's messed

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 1>up to kick people out of your country and take

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>their businesses. It's just weird to me. How friendly the

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>press was to him still at this point, Well, they

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 1>were all British guys and they didn't really give a

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.680
<v Speaker 1>funk about brown people either way. They were just there

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 1>because they had to be yeah, and they thought he was.

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.399
<v Speaker 1>He was fun and they liked yeah, it's yeah, so

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Itdi's main defense of his policy was that he was

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to give you guna back to Ugandans. He also

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 1>said that God had told him in a dream that

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>South Asians were to blame for Uganda's economic woes and corruption.

0:46:57.960 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>It's probably that this policy had a lot to do

0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>with the fact that Great Britain had just refused to

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>sell him guns so he could invade hands and Ea.

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 1>So he was basically just being like, Okay, Great Britain,

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to deal with eighty thousand refugees now because

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't give me the weapons I needed to fund

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>with my neighbor. Itty was brutal to the Ugandan Asians,

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>but he was equally brutal to ethnic Ugandans. His particular

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.399
<v Speaker 1>targets were a Cholly and Langi tribesman. In the first

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>few days of his regime, he executed more than a

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand members of these tribes in the army as his

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>rain war on the purchase spread from the military to

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the general population. Bullets were in short supply in the

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>country and desperately needed for all the wars Itty planned

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to start, so the murder squads he dispatched had to

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 1>find other ways of doing their work. Their preferred tools

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 1>were sledgehammers, crowbars, and sometimes crocodiles. Yeah yeah, I mean,

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.319
<v Speaker 1>if you have crocodiles, every problem looks like crocodiles. No

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>one he's ever wielded a crocodile has been a good guy.

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:57.280
<v Speaker 1>It's never a tool of the good guy. What about Yeah?

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, the most feared government agency, sort of the

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Idioman equivalent of the German SS, was the State Research Bureau,

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 1>which is maybe my favorite name for like a secret

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>police organization. Just sounds so like it seems like the

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>guys who should be like, oh yeah, your soils pH

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 1>is off. But these are the murder police, as opposed

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>to you know, countries where all of the police and

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the murder police. Um. Anyway, Apollo Lo Walco survived a

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.919
<v Speaker 1>hundred ninety six days in the pink stucco building where

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they tortured and executed their captives. He gives us our

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 1>clearest picture of what life was like for people deemed

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:36.359
<v Speaker 1>by Idioman to be enemies of the state. Quote, when

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the prisoner's name was called out, the guards would go

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and grab him. We were all in handcuffs already. We

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 1>were in handcuffs twenty four hours a day. But they

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 1>would change the position when they called a man, putting

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 1>them on in back, and then they would place a

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.960
<v Speaker 1>long rope with a loop around his neck. Then someone

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>would drag him by the rope along the staircase going

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 1>up to the ground floor, and people would be beating

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:56.359
<v Speaker 1>him on all parts of his body. Then his head

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>would be beaten in. By the time he reached the

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.800
<v Speaker 1>top of the stairs, he was dead. So Looco claims

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the guards made sure the prisoners saw every execution. That

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>was part of the point. He claims that between a

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty and two hundred people were executed every

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 1>night while he was there in nineteen seventy seven. Looco

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>believes he saw more than fifteen thousand Ugandans clubbed and

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 1>beaten to death over just five months, at least two

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty thousand Ugandans perished during an idiot means terror.

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 1>In the real number maybe more like half a million,

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.239
<v Speaker 1>roughly one in every fifty seven where to die over

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the next eight years. So Itty himself is said to

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 1>have participated in a number of these murders. Looco claims

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 1>to remember seeing him beat men to death with sledgehammers

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>while wearing a gas mask. Quote, I mean was actually participating.

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>He turned to us at one point and told us

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>to relax. The state research bowmen were mostly Nubians, like Itti,

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.839
<v Speaker 1>former super soldiers of the British Empire, doing what they'd

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 1>always done, just for themselves now. Um, and again, this

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:53.399
<v Speaker 1>is not savagery that he's executing suddenly now that he's

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 1>in charge. This is exactly what he was doing on

0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 1>British orders in Kenya. You know, I'm gonna go ahead

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and get us that when he was president. Is not

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the first time he had people killed with sledgehammers, like

0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it's it never sees this to amaze me, Just the

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>capability of brutality of some people. Know, and these all

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>all these deaths, like obviously these deaths are an idioman,

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 1>but they're also on colonialism, which is well, yeah, for sure,

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I blame everything on colonialism, just so straight and that

0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 1>you can it's totally fair. Um, it's like being being

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a white kid who was educated in the South, I

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 1>did not hear very much about colonialism growing up, and

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>so it's once I've started researching a lot of these

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 1>guys in the show and learning about King Leopold in

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 1>the fifteen million who died in the Belgian Congo, which

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.839
<v Speaker 1>is probably the worst single crime of colonialism that I've

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>come across. But like it's I think it would probably

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>be fair to say that, like if you add together

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis and the Stalinist and Maoist communists and all

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the people they killed, it doesn't come close to the

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.919
<v Speaker 1>deaths to colonialism absolutely, and you know, in a shorter time,

0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Nazis were great at killing people fast,

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 1>but there's I will never know most of what was

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 1>done in behalf of the British Empire. Yeah. Anyway, so

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.839
<v Speaker 1>all most secret police organizations wore you know, wear leather

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.080
<v Speaker 1>trench coats and dressing all black, like you know, like

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.359
<v Speaker 1>a c your cat. You're in central casting, you're trying

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 1>to like cast its secret police. Like they're all in black.

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:31.720
<v Speaker 1>They look like the Matrix guys. Yeah, they were in turtlenecks,

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 1>not the men of the Research Bureau. They wore wore

0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:39.919
<v Speaker 1>flowered Hawaiian shirts, platform shoes, and sunglasses. Oh no, they're

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:45.919
<v Speaker 1>dressed real cool like me. Oh I, I appreciate someone

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 1>doing it different. If you're if you're gonna massacre hundreds

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 1>of thousands of people, at least trying new. You know,

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>there's no arm bands here, it's it's yeah, dresses, we're sandals.

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:04.560
<v Speaker 1>If m if Jimmy Bufett carried out a massacre, it

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:08.839
<v Speaker 1>would look like this, yeah every time. Y Yeah, well

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you know they're all drunk. They've got a whiskey plane.

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Uh So. The Research Brea headquarters was connected

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>to president a Means Home by an underground tunnel, so

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>we could show up and participate in the executions when

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:22.840
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to. Most of the work was headed by

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a man named Major Farouquin Minawa. He was sort of

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the Lavernty Barrier type figure, and Barrier was the head

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of the KGB for a while under Stalin. Uh So,

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>he's the kind of guy who could murder his own

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 1>friends after a night of drinking and hanging out with him.

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>At one point he had his wife and three daughters executed.

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>That guy should have waited till a grand theF Ato

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:45.320
<v Speaker 1>came out, just to get it out of his system.

0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I think so. Um he suspected his wife and daughters

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 1>were helping guns and rebels because they were Baganda Baganda's

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.440
<v Speaker 1>which is like the tribe, one of the tribes that

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:59.239
<v Speaker 1>he hated. Um. So yeah, It's important to understand that

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:02.839
<v Speaker 1>all the oppression apparatus ITDDI created was very decentralized, so

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>most of the deaths during this period were not idio

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>means signing someone's death warrant. It was as a result

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of the fact that all soldiers and intelligence officers in

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 1>his country were allowed to arrest or kill any person

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>they considered dangerous to peace and good order. So Iddie

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.760
<v Speaker 1>gave his men a legal excuse to pursue their personal

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>grudges and steal from people. Polished. You guys just dropping

0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 1>out in their no and that is the official line

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:33.800
<v Speaker 1>of the podcast is abolish ice, bider ritos. I'm drinking

0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 1>all water lukewarm until ice is a bolish It is

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:43.799
<v Speaker 1>funny that like our Gestapo equivalent is ice, because if

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.640
<v Speaker 1>they had known fifteen years ago, they probably would have

0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:51.720
<v Speaker 1>named it something cooler. Ice is. Yeah, it's not that cool. Yeah,

0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean gave his men excuses yet to pursue personal

0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>grudges and steal from people. One survivor recalled, quote, everything

0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you have seen in Wild West movies was everyday life.

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Here someone bumping off the husband and publicly taking the wife,

0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 1>or someone bumping you off and openly driving off with

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.279
<v Speaker 1>your car. So I hope we presented kind of a

0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 1>picture of how brutal a means regime was. Let's dig

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a little deeper into the man himself. You can't understand

0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Idioman without understanding that he was great at fucking great

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that well, at least he needed everyone to believe that

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 1>he was great at fun So one way or the other,

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.279
<v Speaker 1>it's important understand that that was a part of his

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:33.360
<v Speaker 1>public image that was bad. Ladies now and and almost

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:36.839
<v Speaker 1>all like the only person, the only famous person I'm

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:41.000
<v Speaker 1>convinced who was ever actually good at fucking I was

0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna say Marlon Brandon, but oh yeah, yeah, well Marlon

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Brandon makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was method so

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:52.879
<v Speaker 1>he was method Um anyway, Yeah, so uh, I mean

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was it was important to him that there'd be a

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>public image that he was virile and good at sex.

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.840
<v Speaker 1>His former Minister for Health, Henry Kimba, said this besides

0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 1>his five wives. Also, he had five wives, honestly for

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>what I thought. Yeah, No, he's he's he's he's a

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.879
<v Speaker 1>conservative fellow. Besides his five wives, I mean, has had

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:16.360
<v Speaker 1>countless other women, many of whom have borne him children.

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>His sex life is truly extraordinary. He regards his sexual

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:21.839
<v Speaker 1>energy as a sign of his power and authority. He

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 1>never tries to hide his lust. His eyes lock onto

0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 1>any beautiful woman. His reputation for sexual performance is so

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>startling that women often deliberately make themselves available, and his

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.280
<v Speaker 1>love affairs have included women of all colors in many nations,

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 1>from schoolgirls to mature women, from street girls to university lecturers.

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Which is who knows how true that is? It sounds

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of it. Definitely, definitely a lot, because

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a ton of stories from having husbands executed so

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:52.799
<v Speaker 1>we could suck their wife. Um, but this is you know,

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:55.040
<v Speaker 1>his former minister of health giving what is this is

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.959
<v Speaker 1>what Idioman wanted people to hear about him that he's

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.960
<v Speaker 1>because this was important, of course. Yeah, I'm great at

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>fighting and I'm great at fucking. Yeah, he sounds like

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 1>World Chamberlain. There's just something about authoritarian assholes and needing

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:11.319
<v Speaker 1>people to believe they're tough and good at fucking. I

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 1>want everyone to know I am bad at sex, which

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:23.319
<v Speaker 1>means very ladies, good sex over there. Yeah, I'm trying

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to think about which of our presidents were definitely the

0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 1>bit because I hear JFK was terrible. Really, yeah, I've heard.

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I've heard lb J said JFK was terrible. Well, you

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.239
<v Speaker 1>can't trust that guy. You can't trust that guy was

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 1>jealous and he called his dick jumbo, which means he

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 1>did well, maybe that's true. Then I don't know. Nixon

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>seems pretty bad. Nixon can't have been good, right, No, Um,

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Teddy Roosevelt. Well he was in a wheelchair.

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:56.799
<v Speaker 1>That was FDR. Never mind, Well he was a big

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 1>stick guy, right, it was a big stick guy. Yeah,

0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 1>that guy can suck. That guy could fun. And I

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:04.800
<v Speaker 1>feel like FDR was probably pretty good, but like he

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 1>would have been like a hands and oral man. That's

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 1>my guest for FDR. I think he leaves them satisfied.

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 1>As what I'm saying, I don't think. Yeah yeah, um

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>so idi Amin again had five wives. His favorite wife

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was a lady named Sarah. He met her when she

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 1>was eighteen and a go go dancer for the Revolutionary

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Suicide jazz band Um stories. All this time Eddie fell

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 1>in love, but tragically, Sarah already had a fiance and

0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>she was pregnant, so when she gave birth on Christmas

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Day nineteen seventy four, it he just told everyone the

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.000
<v Speaker 1>kid was his and had the birth announced on state television.

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Sarah's fiance was not happy with this, but he died

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>in our car crash immediately after this, so it worked out.

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>No suspicion but then at all Nope, just a random

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>car crash, the like the day that he complains, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't laugh there. I may be getting a little

0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:01.880
<v Speaker 1>callous of all these stories. I mean it's hard not

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to disassociate a little bit. I mean, so far in

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the last hour, I've learned of many millions of people. Yeah,

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's horrific. Um so Idy I mean married

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Knight was a small private ceremony, but Idy was

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 1>concerned that having a small private ceremony might be portrayed

0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>or might be seen as excluding the people of Uganda,

0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 1>so he remarried her in a gigantic televised ceremony. Yes

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>or Era Fat was his best man. The banquet cost

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 1>two million dollars, the banquet, not the whole wedding, just

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that which I would kind of want to check out it.

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've seen Super sixteen, you know whatever it's called.

0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:44.080
<v Speaker 1>So President, I mean cut the red and wedding cake

0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>with a sword. Knowing his history, there's no chance he

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't also use that sword to stab people. Obviously, sword

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 1>guys sort of the problem. That's how you know someone's

0:58:55.800 --> 0:59:00.440
<v Speaker 1>trusted if they're a fucking sword guy. Machine eddie is

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a people's weapon. While you were learning about colonialism, I

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:12.680
<v Speaker 1>was studying a block change. Uh. So Idy had five

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>wives and something like forty or fifty children. Uh. He

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.000
<v Speaker 1>married his first two wives in the same year, nineteen

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty six, when he was twenty eight. One of those

0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.320
<v Speaker 1>marriages went all right and produced several children, but his

0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>second wife, Kay, divorced him, and he murdered the best

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:29.360
<v Speaker 1>man and then murdered Kay. Her arms and legs were

0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:31.000
<v Speaker 1>found in a sack in the trunk of a car,

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 1>so Idi had her body sewn back together and marched

0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.360
<v Speaker 1>around in front of his children and other wives, or

0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he didn't. So this is again where we get into

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:42.840
<v Speaker 1>some controversy. Because his kids are still around and talking

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 1>today and do speeches and like several of them have

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 1>have they don't necessarily doubt the crimes that were committed

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 1>in their dad's reign, but they are all pretty consistent

0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that no, he was a good dad

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and very normal around us. So it's possible this is

0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:00.400
<v Speaker 1>this story is a lie, like the witchcraft stuff. Hard

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<v Speaker 1>to tell because again, his kids even today, are all

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much he was He was fun um, so he

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<v Speaker 1>might not have brought it home. I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't there. Yeah, okay, there's it's It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. It's impossible to know the truth their stories

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<v Speaker 1>that he was brutal to his kids and fucking had

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<v Speaker 1>corpses training around them, and then his kids say stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like here's a quote from his son, it was fun

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<v Speaker 1>with my dad all the time. It was fun. His daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>my muna Amin said he was such a lovely man,

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<v Speaker 1>so good, so lovely. He never beats any children when

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<v Speaker 1>he's at home. He just wanted us all to be

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<v Speaker 1>on him. He's like a mother, a father, a sister,

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<v Speaker 1>a brother in one. He loved music and he's always

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<v Speaker 1>on his accordion singing. Wow, what a revisionist history. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's also possible that he was a brutal

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<v Speaker 1>monster everywhere outside of the home and was fine with

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<v Speaker 1>his kids. Yeah, and they just never heard about They

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<v Speaker 1>heard about it, but again they don't. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them don't deny that brutality of the regime. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>like at home, he was a normal guy, which that happens. Like.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find plenty of stories about people hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with Hitler and being like he was super nice and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like my uncle. And yeah, people always say

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<v Speaker 1>dictators are charismatic and stuff. I mean, even if we

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<v Speaker 1>feel the same thing with celebrities. I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I I and I can't know. What we

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<v Speaker 1>do know, and what we do know for certain is

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<v Speaker 1>that Idi Amine played the accordion fucking constantly. He was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently if you're an accordion guy, he was apparently good

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<v Speaker 1>at playing the accordion and here's here's a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>him doing the weird ol thing o. God right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>weird that dorks are truly the worst people in the

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<v Speaker 1>world because that guy's in the swords, accordions, bagpipes. This

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<v Speaker 1>guy has a bad taste. Everyone with bad tish needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be called. And if he had grown up now, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he would still play the accordion and have a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of swords, but he would also be able to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about anime for sixteen hours. Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry anime fans, I mean, enemy is pretty cool, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it. So the stuff Idie I mean is

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<v Speaker 1>probably most famous for is again cannibalism, witchcraft in his

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with Scotland, because that's like the sensational stuff for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>People we don't know again, that's one of those Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to get into that. Um. So it's an

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<v Speaker 1>arguably true that he loved Scotland. There's a shipload of

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<v Speaker 1>documented evidence of that. And maybe he just was eating

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<v Speaker 1>some haggas and or they just wished it was exactly

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<v Speaker 1>oh please eat some people stuff with that ship. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very much up for debate as to whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not he was really into black magic and cannibalism. The

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<v Speaker 1>rumors that he was in the magic and eating people

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<v Speaker 1>started with the Begundans Uh and the Begundans where the

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<v Speaker 1>people from South Uganda and they did not like the

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<v Speaker 1>people from North Uganda Um. A lot of these rumors

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<v Speaker 1>originate from one begund And who served in Idia Means cabinet.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote in his book, which was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>major sources for the last King of Scotland, quote a

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<v Speaker 1>means bizarre behavior derives partly from his tribal background. Like

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<v Speaker 1>many other warrior societies, the Kakwa Means tribe are known

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<v Speaker 1>to have practiced blood rituals on slain enemies. These involved

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<v Speaker 1>cutting a piece of flesh from the body to subdue

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<v Speaker 1>the dead man's spirit, or tasting the victim's blood to

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<v Speaker 1>render the spirit harmless. Such rituals still exist among the Kakwa.

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<v Speaker 1>If they kill a man, it is their practice to

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<v Speaker 1>insert a knife in the body and touch the bloody

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<v Speaker 1>blade to their lips. I have reason to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>it means practices do not stop at tasting blood. On

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<v Speaker 1>several occasions, he has boasted to me and others that

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<v Speaker 1>he has eaten human flesh. He went on to say

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<v Speaker 1>that eating human flesh is not uncommon in his home area.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that this is true. The British noted that

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<v Speaker 1>the Kaqwa engaged in quote sacrifices of humans and animals,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also worth noting that most of the claims

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<v Speaker 1>about cannibalism came from Idye's enemies. A major source for

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast was an article from the University of Graneingen

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<v Speaker 1>in the Netherlands titled idi Amine Icon of Evil. This

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<v Speaker 1>article notes that the witchcraft and cannibalism myths may have

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<v Speaker 1>started as a result of local racism within Uganda, so

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<v Speaker 1>racism from southern Ugandans towards no Northern Ugandans quote. The

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<v Speaker 1>southern Ugandans are particularly contemptuous of the Southern Sudanese and Newbies,

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<v Speaker 1>not of other northern tribes as wild and uncivilized. It

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<v Speaker 1>is from them that we have reports, if I mean

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<v Speaker 1>and his Newbies tasting the blood of their victims and

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<v Speaker 1>eating their livers. And the explanation that's such a custom

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<v Speaker 1>is either a nubie or coqua one, So we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible he licked blood it's possible he ate flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also possible that's just racism from people in the

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<v Speaker 1>sun would argue, you know, you kill thousands of people,

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<v Speaker 1>that is worse anyway. I mean, like, I'm wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>completely surprised if you know, he got into desecrating some

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<v Speaker 1>bodies at all, It wouldn't be beyond the pale to assume.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also I think this is something that happens

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<v Speaker 1>in Western media a lot with these dictators where if

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<v Speaker 1>you can get like that, there's a bunch of stories

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<v Speaker 1>about the North Korean regime that are are bullshit that

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<v Speaker 1>that have no basis in reality about like and it's

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<v Speaker 1>always like the cookie ones about like ridiculous claims the

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<v Speaker 1>Kim's made, and like the stuff that that sounds really funny,

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<v Speaker 1>like that you can laugh at. And some of those

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<v Speaker 1>are true because like any authoritarian regime is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have some silly stuff around it because it's a silly thing, um.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of it's just lies, and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. It's lies that make it seem like something

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<v Speaker 1>other than what it is, which is a brutal dictatorship

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to like, no, it's this crazy cannibal man

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<v Speaker 1>man who ruled the country. And it's like, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing really crazy. He's just a monster like all

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<v Speaker 1>of the other That's less scary to me than just

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<v Speaker 1>a person who knows exactly what they're doing and does

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway. That's like if an oil tycoon or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was a rumor though, like did you

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<v Speaker 1>hear that he litters? Yeah, he's running the environment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I that's kind of why I wanted to dig

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<v Speaker 1>into these myths about him a lot, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>most people know about Idio mean, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>less I think the fact that the idea that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this guy was a cannibal and a dictator is

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<v Speaker 1>less interesting than like, this guy was trained to be

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<v Speaker 1>a brutal dictator in the British Army who raised him

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<v Speaker 1>to be a soldier and then abandoned him and his

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<v Speaker 1>country to whatever was going to happen next, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is a more accurate story. Um. And but that

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<v Speaker 1>one isn't fun for Americans because it implicates all of

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<v Speaker 1>Western civilization as opposed to some cannibal gotten in charge

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<v Speaker 1>over there in Africa. Um. Anyway, that's that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my thinking on the matter. Um, so obviously by this time,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and you know, by the middle of his reign,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the bloom was off the rose. The British

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<v Speaker 1>were no longer fans of idi Amin word if his

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<v Speaker 1>atrocities had filtered out to the world. Europe turned away,

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<v Speaker 1>and idi did what he always did when someone questioned him.

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<v Speaker 1>He flipped out and attacked. He declared himself conquer of

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<v Speaker 1>the British Empire. He had T shirts printed up with

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<v Speaker 1>his face on it and Conquer of the British Empire

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<v Speaker 1>printed beneath, which is a pretty pretty pro move. He

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<v Speaker 1>developed a love for having white guys, particularly British guys,

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<v Speaker 1>bow to him. So there's a bunch of picture is

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<v Speaker 1>like this of British businessmen like I'm wearing oaths to him. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first thing that oh, just away because

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<v Speaker 1>it's about to get fucking better. Because at one point

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<v Speaker 1>he made a bunch of British businessmen carry him around

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<v Speaker 1>on a sedan chair while a crowd cheered, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that's a solid move. Yeah, I do like that. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>not to support that. He's got a little he's got Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>someone's holding an umbrella for him. Yeah, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wackiness that we know went down. And again

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<v Speaker 1>he's not all wrong, like the whiskey plane was a

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<v Speaker 1>solid idea. Yeah yeah, um. So Eddie desperately wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be a major player on the global stage. He wasted

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<v Speaker 1>no opportunity to wade into any global conflict that he could.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Watergate scandal broke, he sent a letter to

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Nixon and gave him advice on how to handle Watergate.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice quote. When the stability of a nation is in danger,

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<v Speaker 1>the only solution is, unfortunately, to imprison the leaders of

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<v Speaker 1>the opposition. Yea. The longer he was in power, the

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<v Speaker 1>more unhinged in braggy he became president. I mean, started

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<v Speaker 1>to inflate the stories of his military service, claiming he'd

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<v Speaker 1>fought in Burma during World War Two. He offered to

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<v Speaker 1>marry Princess Anne of Great Britain. He also offered to

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<v Speaker 1>become King of Scotland and lead the Scots to independence

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<v Speaker 1>from Britainin Britain, for the most part, the international response

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<v Speaker 1>to Idi Amine was laughter, the same kind of laughter

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<v Speaker 1>you find today when people talk about ridiculous with Korean propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan coren A British comedian had a popular column in

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<v Speaker 1>Punch magazine where he'd write out fake idi Amine speeches

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<v Speaker 1>that were very racist. If you've got Spotify, you can

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<v Speaker 1>find the album that was made based on these columns

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<v Speaker 1>with a white guy doing IDE's voice. It is it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was like in the mid seventies. Um

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<v Speaker 1>if you look up Idiomine on Spotify, you'll find the

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<v Speaker 1>album and it's like infuriating because it's just it's joking

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<v Speaker 1>about what was in reality a horrific, crime filled regime,

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of the fact that Idioman talks funny, which

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't even talk that funny. He speaks better English

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<v Speaker 1>than I do fucking Uganda. Um so uh yeah. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is again that's the international reaction is they're laughing

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<v Speaker 1>at this guy, They're making fun of him. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>this horror show is playing out in Africa and it's

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<v Speaker 1>being treated as kind of like a freak show to

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world. Um so yeah. The caricature

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<v Speaker 1>of idi Amine Um is based a lot in white

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<v Speaker 1>European racism, but it's also based in some local Ugandan

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<v Speaker 1>regional racism. So they're north North of Uganda is basically

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<v Speaker 1>the social equivalent of the American South and the well educated,

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<v Speaker 1>well to do Southern Uganda's considered idi Amine to be

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<v Speaker 1>like a hillbilly. They thought his accent when he spoke

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<v Speaker 1>in Yugan and they thought his accent was painful. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's basically he was like to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in Southern Uganda. He was like if we had

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<v Speaker 1>a president who came from the dirty South and talked

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<v Speaker 1>like he was grew up on the body. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That That is the attitude that like the Southerners have

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<v Speaker 1>towards him. Um. In reality, Idioman was a pretty smart guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't educated obviously, but he was. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of intelligence, because you don't carry out a regime

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<v Speaker 1>like this and keep it going for eight years without that.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of his actions were pretty logical. Uh. Mass murder

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<v Speaker 1>is a time honored way to stay in power. Exiling

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<v Speaker 1>the Asians tank Ugana's economy, but it provided itdie with

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<v Speaker 1>a host of businesses that he could give away to

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<v Speaker 1>his supporters in exchange for their loyalty. And for a

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<v Speaker 1>while his tactics worked pretty well, but he made more

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes as time went on. One of those was alienating Israel.

1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.280
<v Speaker 1>He had initially been friendly to the country, he'd trained

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<v Speaker 1>there again as a paratrooper, but he wound up switching

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<v Speaker 1>around and backing the Palestinian cause, which is fine, but

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<v Speaker 1>he also descended into horrific anti Semitism. In nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>the he told the UN Secretary General that Hitler had

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<v Speaker 1>been quote right to burn six million Jews, and he

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<v Speaker 1>promised to build a monument to Hitler in kampala Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was eventually convinced to cancel this plan because everyone

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<v Speaker 1>around him was like, that's bad idea, idio mean, but

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<v Speaker 1>he continued pissing off Israel as the years rolled by.

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<v Speaker 1>On June nine, six and Air France flight with two

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight passengers was hijacked by two members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Now this was

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day when terrorist plane hijackers didn't kill

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<v Speaker 1>people as a general rule. They just kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>the plane flown to an airport and hold everyone hostage

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<v Speaker 1>until their comrades were released from prison or they got

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of money or whatever. This was like a

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<v Speaker 1>common thing. There's a period of time in the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>where every week there'd be a new fucking hijacking. Um So,

1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:35.360
<v Speaker 1>these particular hijackers and this plane most of the passengers

1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:38.360
<v Speaker 1>there is Rali. So these particular hijackers land first in

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<v Speaker 1>Libya and then at Entebbi Airport in Uganda. President I

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<v Speaker 1>mean welcomed them enthusiastically. This proved to be a mistake

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<v Speaker 1>when one week later Israeli commandos raided the airport, liberated

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<v Speaker 1>the captives, and destroyed a sizeable chunk of the Ugandan

1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:54.720
<v Speaker 1>air force while it was sitting on the tarmac. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a movie called Raid on Entebbi about it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a very famous like commando raid thing. Um So, Itty

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<v Speaker 1>flipped out of this. He'd already switched from ing pro

1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:06.280
<v Speaker 1>is Real to pro Palestine, of course, but he went

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<v Speaker 1>over the deep end. He had a seventy three year

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<v Speaker 1>old Jewish woman and a you gun in hospital named

1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Dora block Uh, pretty brutally murdered, and then he went

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<v Speaker 1>on kind of a world insult tour. Um So, this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a little bit and and there's growing

1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:22.479
<v Speaker 1>local resistance to him at this point too. So he's

1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:25.600
<v Speaker 1>he starts to in the late seventies go off the

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<v Speaker 1>rails a bit. Uh. He called the President of Tanzania

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<v Speaker 1>a coward, an old woman in a prostitute. He called

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<v Speaker 1>the President of Zambia an imperialist puppet and boot liquor.

1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:37.439
<v Speaker 1>He called Henry Kissinger a murderer and a spy, which

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty fair. Uh. He also said that Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>should send him her twenty five year old knickers to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate her silver jubilee. So he was like the semi

1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:50.880
<v Speaker 1>year old underwear Queen of England, which is I appreciate this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's solid. Uh. He steadily expanded his list of

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<v Speaker 1>titles over the years. In nineteen seventy seven, he announced

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<v Speaker 1>that he must now be addressed as quote his excellent

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<v Speaker 1>see Field Marshal Al Haji Dr Idi Amine data life,

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<v Speaker 1>President of Uganda, Conqueror of the British Empire, Distinguished Service

1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Order of the Military Cross, Victoria Cross, and Professor of Geography.

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<v Speaker 1>What a good tag at the end. This guy is funny. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That professor of geography thing is really what sets it off. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>On October thirty made the biggest mistake of his dictator career.

1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:31.000
<v Speaker 1>He invaded Tanzania. Um. This was over a pretty useless

1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.280
<v Speaker 1>piece of land like there was no good reason to

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<v Speaker 1>attack the spot that he did. Tanzania counterattacked, and since

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<v Speaker 1>their military was much more functional than the Ugandan military,

1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:44.759
<v Speaker 1>the Ugandans were quickly thrown back. Next, Tanzania marched on Uganda.

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<v Speaker 1>Aided by the Gandan Ugandan exiles, they moved to unseat

1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Ittie from power. For his part, Idi Amine announced that

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<v Speaker 1>he now loved the Tanzanian president and quote would have

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<v Speaker 1>married him if he had been a woman. This didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work and did not turn back the Tanzanian army, so

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<v Speaker 1>Idi Amine had to flee from power, first to Libya

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<v Speaker 1>and then to Saudi Arabia, where he spent the rest

1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:08.200
<v Speaker 1>of his life in exile. Uh somehow, not being a

1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:10.560
<v Speaker 1>warlord anymore seemed to calm him down. He lived a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet life, regularly visiting Mecca and living with just one

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<v Speaker 1>wife and several of his children. Yeah. Yeah, he's one

1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:19.479
<v Speaker 1>of the ones who got away with it. Um Idi

1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:22.479
<v Speaker 1>explained in a rare nineteen interview that quote, when I

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<v Speaker 1>am no longer president, some of them say they don't

1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:26.680
<v Speaker 1>want me. I accept it. Frankly. I have had one

1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:29.280
<v Speaker 1>wife since and have found also to have one life

1:14:29.360 --> 1:14:32.479
<v Speaker 1>is better. So idi Amine lapsed into a coma on

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<v Speaker 1>July nineteenth, two thousand three. He was put on life

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<v Speaker 1>support at a hospital in Jetta. His family had begged

1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the new ugun And government to let him return home

1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to die. They were told he'd have to stand trial

1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:44.639
<v Speaker 1>if he returned, So I mean he didn't go back,

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<v Speaker 1>and in August sixteen, two thousand and three, Idi Amine

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<v Speaker 1>died peacefully in a hospital bed in Saudi Arabia. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's unfortunately not the end of the story or Uganda's problems,

1:14:55.280 --> 1:15:01.519
<v Speaker 1>because President of the Ghosts is going to happen um.

1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:05.080
<v Speaker 1>President of Bote returned after Iddie was ousted. Aboute was

1:15:05.120 --> 1:15:08.080
<v Speaker 1>not outwardly ridiculous. He didn't make crazy claims about the

1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Holocaust or randomly insult foreign leaders. He didn't have a

1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:14.120
<v Speaker 1>wacky title. What he did do was vastly expand the

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<v Speaker 1>purges that Idi Amine had begun. While Amine had mostly

1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:20.080
<v Speaker 1>targeted certain tribe members in the military and government, a

1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Bote targeted huge chunks of civilians based on their tribe.

1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:26.320
<v Speaker 1>He probably killed more people in his second term than

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<v Speaker 1>died during the entirety of Idi Amine's reign. Jesus A.

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<v Speaker 1>Bote was eventually overthrown by a general named Bazello olauo Okello,

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<v Speaker 1>who was violently overthrown by Yoweri Musaveni's Natural National Resistance

1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Army in nineteen six. Musaveni is still the president of

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<v Speaker 1>Uganda today. He had term limits abolished in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>five and removed the presidential aid limit in two thousand seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Uganda has to this day never seen a peaceful transition

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<v Speaker 1>of power. Wow. So that's the story. That's a heartwarming time.

1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:03.960
<v Speaker 1>It is it is uh And it's a tale where

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<v Speaker 1>like I mean, Idiomine is the the organ through which

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<v Speaker 1>all of this repression and violence was executed. But the

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<v Speaker 1>real bastard of this is the British Empire in my

1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:18.519
<v Speaker 1>opinion at least, Yeah, for sure. I mean, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I'll trace all the blame back to white people at

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<v Speaker 1>any time, for sure. But man, I really just can't

1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:31.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine living in a country or so much bloodshed is

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<v Speaker 1>like happening constantly all the time. Politically, Um, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would move away so fast. Well, And that's it's one

1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.280
<v Speaker 1>of those things that how are you gonna? But yeah,

1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:44.240
<v Speaker 1>how are you gonna? And it's you get all these

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<v Speaker 1>people in Europe and the United States now because most

1:16:47.280 --> 1:16:49.240
<v Speaker 1>of the people who like flee parts of Africa are

1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:51.439
<v Speaker 1>going to wade heading to Europe because it's very it's

1:16:51.439 --> 1:16:53.000
<v Speaker 1>easier to get there than it is to get to

1:16:53.040 --> 1:16:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the US. And you know, get this, like what is

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<v Speaker 1>our We can't take all care of all these people.

1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:00.599
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, you could steal the ship for two

1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:04.519
<v Speaker 1>hundred years, like and then leave them without because Uganda

1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:07.479
<v Speaker 1>there at no point in prior history they were like

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<v Speaker 1>kingdoms and states and whatnot all over Africa, but there

1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was there never been a Uganda, Like all of these

1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:17.280
<v Speaker 1>groups of people had never been forced together before the

1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:20.200
<v Speaker 1>British did that. And if you're going to do you

1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:21.880
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do that in the first place. But if you're

1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:23.479
<v Speaker 1>going to do that, if you're going to force these

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<v Speaker 1>people into a state, you owe it to them to

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<v Speaker 1>like create a functional state before you leave. Which, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's up, it's real fucked up. Well, I hope you

1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:44.040
<v Speaker 1>learned something today. I did somehow left more grim than

1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:47.640
<v Speaker 1>than it came in. Um that's the fun of colonialism.

1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's okay. I mean, like sometimes you got to

1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:57.000
<v Speaker 1>know the monstrous capabilities of um what you know what

1:17:57.080 --> 1:18:01.320
<v Speaker 1>we can do as human beings to prevent it. Yeah, Um, jeez,

1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to take a good

1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:06.760
<v Speaker 1>lesson out of this, other than don't be a colonialist

1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and don't take a people and train them to be

1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:14.160
<v Speaker 1>soldiers and nothing else for a century. Yeah, don't. Um,

1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:16.479
<v Speaker 1>what are some other things? Don't play bagpipes and play

1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the accordions? Well that's okay, let's not attempt the swords.

1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Let's attack the bagpipes aren't the problem here. Yeah, I

1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:30.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know what else to learn. I mean with you

1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:33.960
<v Speaker 1>about accordions? Yeah, I mean I haven't watched Um, what's

1:18:33.960 --> 1:18:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it called Last King of Scotland? Have you watched? Yeah,

1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't. I didn't enjoy it very much. Is

1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it too? Is it sympathetic or no? It's it plays

1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:47.599
<v Speaker 1>into the brutality of one thing that does a decent

1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.759
<v Speaker 1>job of this, showing you how he might have charmed

1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:54.720
<v Speaker 1>people earlier. But I think it leans more into the

1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>sensational side of things, which eating people and stuff and

1:18:59.080 --> 1:19:01.519
<v Speaker 1>it Yeah, and it does, isn't. It doesn't talk at

1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:04.760
<v Speaker 1>all about a means past in a meaningful way. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I lead this by talking about British military

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<v Speaker 1>policy and their colonies, because I don't think you can understand,

1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, without understanding where he and his people came from. Yeah,

1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean that alone is interesting by itself. Is a story,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, not a not a fun story, but it's

1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:26.599
<v Speaker 1>definitely not a fun story, but it's an important one. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say, if you are starting a punk

1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:35.320
<v Speaker 1>band in the near future, the Suicide Revolutionary Jazz band,

1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.840
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty fucking they honestly sound like a scar bandy

1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:42.559
<v Speaker 1>and look like one. They do look like a scar band.

1:19:42.560 --> 1:19:44.800
<v Speaker 1>They're all dressed nice, they got their shirts tucked in.

1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Ah man, I could go for some suicide revolutionary SCA music. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the worst part of that story was that

1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:57.360
<v Speaker 1>he died peacefully. That is, it's always a bummer when

1:19:57.360 --> 1:20:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that happens, because like we're I think a daffi is

1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:03.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be running shortly before this podcast comes out,

1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and that's a story where the monster gets Like, that's

1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:08.000
<v Speaker 1>what you want to see happen to these guys as

1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:10.200
<v Speaker 1>they get dragged out into the street and murdered by

1:20:10.200 --> 1:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>their own people. They sucked over. Yeah, I can think

1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:14.479
<v Speaker 1>of a couple of people would like to see that

1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:18.599
<v Speaker 1>happened to Yeah, yeah, whose names we won't give because

1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:22.080
<v Speaker 1>there are laws against that sort of thing. But there's

1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it's hard not to want certain people dragged out into

1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the street and at least like, you know, maybe not

1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>even killed, just pete on by dozens of people. Well,

1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess there's nothing left for us to do but

1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>for me to ask you to cool. You could uh,

1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:42.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, maybe get some laughs from looking at

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<v Speaker 1>some videos. I don't know how to transition this either

1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't videos on my website Bertti Rida com. You

1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:54.519
<v Speaker 1>can follow me on Twitter at ao bro bro um,

1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:59.920
<v Speaker 1>where I just usually complain about um. People can cat

1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:04.040
<v Speaker 1>us in Hollywood and making some jokes and you can

1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:07.559
<v Speaker 1>see me performs with jokes all around l A and um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you have any more questions, I will

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<v Speaker 1>refer you to this guy because I don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you like complaining about casting, they did

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<v Speaker 1>just cast a new Idioman movie. Uh yes, Scarlett Johansson's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play him. You got me, you got me? Um.

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<v Speaker 1>have pictures of the incredible Suicide Revolutionary Jazz Band and

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<v Speaker 1>some other pictures from A Means Rain, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>links to all the sources for this podcast. I really

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<v Speaker 1>do recommend reading that University of Gronigan article. It's a

1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:53.920
<v Speaker 1>fascinating analysis of why Idi has seen sort of the

1:21:53.920 --> 1:21:57.559
<v Speaker 1>way he is today and where he came from. Um

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<v Speaker 1>so uh. You can also find us on Twitter and

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<v Speaker 1>the week I've been Robert Evans. Check back in next Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>when we will be talking about someone else who is

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<v Speaker 1>also terrible. H