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Speaker 1: Mmm, hello friends, and welcome back to Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans, and this is the show that tells

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Speaker 1: you everything you don't know about the very worst people

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Speaker 1: in all of history. Today. My guest who I will

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Speaker 1: be who's coming in cold with this tale, and who

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Speaker 1: I'll be reading a story too, is Brodie Reid, comedian. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Hey Steamed Steamed guest, Yes, yes, Esquire. Brodie read Esquire.

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Speaker 1: I think means you're the editor for Esquire magazine. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer and I'm also the head editor of

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Speaker 1: Esquire Magazine. Those are my credits and I won't change them.

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Speaker 1: That's what that means. Uh. Now, we're doing a little

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Speaker 1: bit different today. Normally we're pretty upfront about who the

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Speaker 1: subject of the podcast is, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: background to get to before we can really properly introduce

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Speaker 1: this guy. So I'm kind of curious as to when

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Speaker 1: you figure out who we're talking about. And I also

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Speaker 1: kind of wanted to be a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: surprise for the audience. So if you're good, I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to get into it. Okay. I mean I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of like an amateur private investigator, so I might get

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Speaker 1: it real off the bat and I want to ruin

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Speaker 1: your flow or anything. But um, let's let's try. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's see how this goes. I'm on o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this will be you know, my, my, my, great disaster,

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Speaker 1: but I think it'll be fun. Yeah, alright, So today,

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Speaker 1: you know, right now two eighteen, Britain is a tiny,

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Speaker 1: adorable nation filled with wizards and a conspicuously broad definition

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Speaker 1: of the word pudding. It's easy, I'm going to guess Baltimore. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just getting it that. It's easy for

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Speaker 1: us to forget today considering how docile the British people

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Speaker 1: are that for a while they ruled the entire world.

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Speaker 1: The British Empire was the largest empire in human history.

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Speaker 1: The Mongol Empire, at that's height, held about twenty four

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Speaker 1: million kilometers in area, six percent of the world's population.

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Speaker 1: The British Empire was over thirty five million kilometers in

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Speaker 1: area and ruled nearly a quarter of the planets. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: I did not forget that they polonize everything. Yeah, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: and they I think what's most shocking to me when

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Speaker 1: I read about this is that they controlled that huge

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Speaker 1: chunk of the planet with probably the smallest army than

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Speaker 1: any empire has ever had. You know, the Roman Empire

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Speaker 1: at height was about seven hundred and fifty thousand regular soldiers. Um.

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Speaker 1: The British Empire at its height before the World War

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Speaker 1: They never spent more than about two and a half

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Speaker 1: percent of their GDP on defense, which is a regular

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Speaker 1: soldiers were like super serium, like Captain America. So you

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Speaker 1: have predicted a little bit where this is going. Now.

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Speaker 1: These soldiers are regular soldiers. They're volunteers, which is different

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Speaker 1: from most Most militaries in this period are not volunteer,

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Speaker 1: permanent standing military. So the British are a little bit

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Speaker 1: different there. But they're just normal, you know soldiers. They

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Speaker 1: have machine guns, which certainly helps with the whole colonizing thing.

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Speaker 1: Um or they have machine guns for a chunk of this,

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Speaker 1: How do you hold a quarter of the planet in

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Speaker 1: bondage for two hundred years. But the whole army that's

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Speaker 1: United States nukes? Is that the correct? No? No, I

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Speaker 1: mean you you get the locals to oppress themselves. Yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Michael Codner, who was the head of Military Science for

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Speaker 1: and if you put too much into building up the army,

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Speaker 1: just explained this was the attitude that the imperialists had

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Speaker 1: battalions of Gurkhas recruited basically as mercenaries from Nepal and

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Speaker 1: the Gurkhas were like super soldiers of the British Empire

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Speaker 1: successive groups of Arab slavers started praying on them. Certain

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Speaker 1: it could defend itself, but they hadn't trained any sort

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Speaker 1: of officer corps into Uganda, um, which is an important

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Speaker 1: thing to have, which is why every military in the

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Speaker 1: world has an officer corps. You know, you train people

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Speaker 1: to do certain jobs. But the Ugandans just didn't have that,

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Speaker 1: and rather than spend more money in time to build

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Speaker 1: an officer corps for their soon to be country, the

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Speaker 1: British just randomly promoted the sergeants they liked best. One

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Speaker 1: of those sergeants was a boxer with a fourth grade

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Speaker 1: education named Idie I mean yeah. He was commissioned in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, right before uganda independence. He found himself

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Speaker 1: in charge of a platoon in northwest Kenya, captured a

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Speaker 1: bunch of prisoners and ordered them to be executed. The

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Speaker 1: British governor of Uganda. Sir Walter Coates vetoed the possibility

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Speaker 1: of Ittie being charged for this war crime. I mean,

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Speaker 1: was one of the few African soldiers in the entire

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Speaker 1: officers in the entire army, and prosecuting him right before

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Speaker 1: independence was named politically undesirable. No one stopped to consider

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Speaker 1: whether or not it might be bad for Uganda if

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Speaker 1: one of their high ranking military leaders was a war criminal. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So when we get back, we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: how Idi Amine rose to power and to be the

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Speaker 1: president of Uganda and what happened next, which it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a dark story, but we we have we

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Speaker 1: have some ads first off, and before we get into

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Speaker 1: some ads. Uh, you know, I've been talking a lot

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Speaker 1: about the Rito's people. We're trying to get der Ritos

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Speaker 1: to sponsor the pot oh I hear you. I love

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Speaker 1: that crunchy crunch that the Rito's chip. Nothing washes the

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Speaker 1: horrible taste of colonialism out of your mouth like a

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Speaker 1: cool ranch. I was gonna say nacho cheese. But that's

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Speaker 1: what's great about der Rito's is freedom. That the freedom

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Speaker 1: to cleanse your palette with whatever exciting flavor combination you want.

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Speaker 1: How are they not a sponsor yet? I will maybe

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Speaker 1: they will be after this video. Let's hear from some

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Speaker 1: other sponsors and we're back. Sorry. So, um yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did want to get into before we dig into the

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Speaker 1: rest of the story, what you recall about Idiomine before

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Speaker 1: we get into his career. Not much. I have heard

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Speaker 1: the name before. I've heard there was a president. If

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Speaker 1: you're going to who's a bad guy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the details. I mean already I've learned way more than

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Speaker 1: I thought. Uh yeah, before you know, it was even

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Speaker 1: it even became an independent nation. I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they killed so many people. Yeah, well, it

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Speaker 1: was one of those things I hadn't I had vaguely

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Speaker 1: heard yet. As president of Uganda, there were these rumors

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Speaker 1: of witchcraft and cannibalism. Um. I hadn't known any of

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Speaker 1: this stuff about sort of how the British military worked

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Speaker 1: at the time, and the fact that he was basically

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Speaker 1: bred to suppress insurgencies, like that's what the British used

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Speaker 1: his people for, was controlling populations through brutality. Um, which

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Speaker 1: I think is an important thing to get into here

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Speaker 1: because otherwise it's just a story of like this dictator,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't rise up out of anything. He was

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Speaker 1: like and I think he went up to the system.

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Speaker 1: He paid his dues, and he was also trained, like

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Speaker 1: you're going to where when we get into the things

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Speaker 1: he did in Uganda that were brutal, they're all echoes

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Speaker 1: of things he was doing for the British, like they

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Speaker 1: it's it's not just a story of like some horrible

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Speaker 1: dictator rose up and did terrible things. It's the British

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Speaker 1: trained this guy to do terrible things on their behalf

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Speaker 1: and then abandoned the country if you gone to him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is basically this guy is completely might meets right

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Speaker 1: and um, yeah, that's dangerous. It's really dangerous, and it's

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Speaker 1: dangerous if you don't. Like. People like that exist in

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Speaker 1: every culture. We've got more than our fair share of

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Speaker 1: them in the United States. We have a we have

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Speaker 1: structures built up to like make sure that those people

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Speaker 1: don't wind up in charge of the military or whatever. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: at least not to the extent where it's like there's

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Speaker 1: a reason we've never had the army sees power like

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Speaker 1: it's it's in our country. Yeah, we've definitely, well, it's

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Speaker 1: it's because we give them so much money. Um. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so not just cool cool ranch, let's get back to Idio.

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Speaker 1: I mean, um, but seriously, Dorito's people send us a drop,

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Speaker 1: us a home. We're at Bastard's pot on Twitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Idi Amine has just committed a war crime right before

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Speaker 1: you got an independence, and the British governor of Uganda

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Speaker 1: has sort of hushed up the whole thing because he's

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Speaker 1: one of the only officers and they didn't want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, they just they just didn't want any complications.

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Speaker 1: They said it would be politically undesirable if this came

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Speaker 1: up right before independence. So uh, Idi Amine, now an officer,

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Speaker 1: rises again rapidly through the ranks. According to Robert Keeley,

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Speaker 1: he advanced by eliminating his rivals in one fashion or another,

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Speaker 1: either physically or by discrediting them, or by scaring them

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Speaker 1: or somewhere or another. His promotions came frequently, so he's

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Speaker 1: good at working the system. Um, he understands how the

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Speaker 1: British military works. And yeah, and if there's one man

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Speaker 1: who knows how to hustle, it's Idi Amine. Now. On

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Speaker 1: October nine, ninety two, Uganda gains its independence from Great Britain. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you got His first prime minister was a guy named

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Speaker 1: Milton Aboute, and the president was a guy named Edward Mutessa.

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Speaker 1: Mutessa was also the king of the Wanda, who were

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Speaker 1: a southern tribe in Uganda. He was better known as

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Speaker 1: King Freddie. Uh. For a little while, Mutessa and a

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Speaker 1: Bote co existed and things were all right in Uganda. Um.

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Speaker 1: Milton Aboute, like idi Amine, came from northern Uganda. He

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Speaker 1: advocated for a great African awakening. He was a socialist,

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Speaker 1: although not a very dogmatic one. The West generally disliked him. Um.

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Speaker 1: But he was also super corrupt, which is going to

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Speaker 1: be a theme in this story. So by nineteen sixty four,

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Speaker 1: idi Amine had been named deputy army commander under a

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Speaker 1: dude with the really cool name shaban ap a Lot,

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Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite names that I've encountered

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Speaker 1: in this podcast research. Um. He saw action again, fighting

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Speaker 1: alongside Katanga rebels who were battling the government of Zi

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Speaker 1: year It. He took gold and diamonds from the rebels

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Speaker 1: and gave them guns from the Uganda Army in exchange.

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Speaker 1: He then sold the lute for cash. A Botte, the

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Speaker 1: president got it on the racket. There was a brief

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Speaker 1: parliamentary inquiry, but Abote had all the other people in

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Speaker 1: the scheme arrested and so he and he and Ittie

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Speaker 1: were fine. Um. Now, nineteen sixty six, a Bote got

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Speaker 1: tired of sharing power and susp end at the constitution.

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Speaker 1: He sent Colonel Idi Amine to attack the palace and

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Speaker 1: bring the king back dead or alive. The king managed

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Speaker 1: to flee the country, but the coup succeeded in a

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Speaker 1: vote was left as the sole power in Uganda. Now,

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Speaker 1: this did not make the British happy. Um. The Baganda

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Speaker 1: where their favorite tribe in Uganda. Winston Churchill, under Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State for the Colonies from nineteen o five to

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Speaker 1: nineteen Yeah, super good guy. Never caused a famine half

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Speaker 1: million people. Yeah, not not even well once. But led

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Speaker 1: he among us who was not starved, we all cause

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Speaker 1: a couple of famines, you know. Uh. He considered the

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Speaker 1: Baganda to be civilized, um, which means basically that they'd

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Speaker 1: all converted to Christianity easily. Their territory was just where

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Speaker 1: the British wound up putting the railroad and their administration buildings.

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Speaker 1: So the begun is where the people. The British had

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Speaker 1: spent the most time within Uganda. They considered them civilized

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Speaker 1: because they acted like British people are the good Yeah, exactly. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Ugandan people, most of whom weren't begun and supported

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Speaker 1: aboutees kicking down the king Um. They saw him as

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Speaker 1: casting down a British backed monarch. They saw this as

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Speaker 1: a true break from the past and chance at a

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Speaker 1: new beginning. It was an exciting time, but the excitement

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Speaker 1: soon faded in the reality of about his ridiculous corruption.

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Speaker 1: People protested, of course, in by nineteen sixty nine, the

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Speaker 1: government could only stay in power with the military's backing.

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Speaker 1: Uh Edi had been popular with the British because he

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Speaker 1: was a great soldier and because he spoke English with

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Speaker 1: just the right accent that made them think he was

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Speaker 1: cute and dumb because they were racist as fuck. But

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Speaker 1: Iddy was not dumb. While the government had grown more

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Speaker 1: dependent on his military, he started recruiting hundreds of his

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Speaker 1: relatives and fellow Nubians into the army and putting them

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Speaker 1: in the positions he would want them in when it

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Speaker 1: was time to take power. UM. This was disrupted in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy when an assassin tried to kill President Aboute

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Speaker 1: and shot him through the mouth. American diplomat Bovu now

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Speaker 1: recalled the army went a muck and for about twelve hours.

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Speaker 1: It was a pretty horrifying situation. It appears to have

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Speaker 1: gotten confused and thought the attempt was a coup against

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Speaker 1: both him and a Bote, so he ran uh he

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Speaker 1: quote jumped out the back window of his house and

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Speaker 1: his pajamas and disappeared, which really mystified us all because

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Speaker 1: they were expecting that this assassination attempt was him seizing power,

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Speaker 1: but it was just somebody else. So he was mocked

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Speaker 1: for weeks in the wake of the attack because he

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Speaker 1: ran out in the night in his pajamas, and a

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Speaker 1: number of people counted him out as a force in

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Speaker 1: Ugandan politics at this point. But Idio embarked on a

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Speaker 1: redemption tour. Part of that was having a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people clandestinely executed in the night. Part of it was

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Speaker 1: showing up in public with a bunch of his armed

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Speaker 1: friends and just scaring people. Uh. No, All was there

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Speaker 1: for part of that too. He was at at a

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Speaker 1: bar one night and he quote you know, he saw

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Speaker 1: he saw it quote I walked out of the bar

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Speaker 1: and there was a mean, a huge man, an enormous fellow,

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Speaker 1: with his officers and their weapons, sitting in the main lounge,

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Speaker 1: sitting at attention, not talking, just looking around. I thought, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. They sat there for about half

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Speaker 1: an hour, and then Aman said something in one of

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Speaker 1: the local languages, and they all got up and walked

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Speaker 1: out of there. What it was, I'm convinced to this day,

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Speaker 1: was a threat on part on the part of a

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Speaker 1: mean about re establishing his position. He knew that he

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Speaker 1: was laughed at because he ran away. This was his reprisal,

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Speaker 1: his counter threat, and it worked. People were scared to death.

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Speaker 1: So they might have been more scared by the fact

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Speaker 1: that Diddie had had a number of people killed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that he just sat there for half hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a little bit like some guy just sits

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Speaker 1: in the bar staring at you with like his friends

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Speaker 1: and all their guns. You know, that's intimidating. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Ieen seventy one, president of BOTE, went to Singapore

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Speaker 1: for a conference. Before he left, he put out the

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Speaker 1: order that Idioman was to be arrested for massive corruption

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Speaker 1: and murder, which Iddie was guilty of, but which Abote

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Speaker 1: was guilty of too. Before the warrant could be served,

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Speaker 1: idi Amine launched launched his coup. The killing started right away.

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Speaker 1: At least a thousand soldiers from tribes that it he

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Speaker 1: didn't trust were massacred. The river filled with corpses um,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, when you tell the story, like

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Speaker 1: when I hear stories like this, I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know where all these people. How many people are

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Speaker 1: are they going to kill before they just completely run

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Speaker 1: out of people? You know, It's like, yeah, they really

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Speaker 1: go pretty far. And by the time this is all

627
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Speaker 1: over it, he will have killed at there's something like

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Speaker 1: one in fifty seven of the people in Uganda. Um

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Speaker 1: and he's not the worst of them, which we'll get

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Speaker 1: to as well. Oh my god, he's just the one

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Speaker 1: that everyone focuses on because there's rumors that he ate people.

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Speaker 1: Um Sonal was the American diplomatic officer in Uganda, so

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Speaker 1: he had responsibility for all of the eight hundred Dish

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Speaker 1: American citizens in country. Uh. He told those people to

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Speaker 1: hold fast and chill at home, and that went fine,

636
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: but there was also a tourist group in town who

637
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: were furious that this coup got in the way of

638
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: their vacation. So I want to read this story just

639
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: because it's a little levity. It's just American. It's rich

640
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Americans acting like rich Americans in the middle of a coup.

641
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: That's life and death for the people in Uganda. We

642
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: just wanted to go on a nice vacation on some

643
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: endangered animals. I said to them, look, the airport is closed.

644
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: And later the tour leader turned to me and said, well, Mr, now,

645
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: these are important people. They haven't got time to wait around.

646
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: They're going to miss their connections in Nairobi. I said,

647
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: you're damn right. They're going to miss their nections in Nairobi,

648
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: and they're going to get hungry, they're going to get tired,

649
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: they're going to get dirty, and they're going to want

650
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: to get their laundry done. And it's not going to

651
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: be done because I don't see any chance of these

652
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: folks leaving for four or five days. And that was

653
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: just the case. They were furious. One guy, the president

654
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: of this big liquor distributing company in Hartford, Connecticut, High

655
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Blood or Hue Mind or something. He beat me about

656
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: that on the head and shoulders. He said he had

657
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: to get back to sign a contract. I said, you

658
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: can't do it. There are soldiers at the airport who

659
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: will kill you. Um, which I just love. Like, there's

660
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: people getting murdered in the street and you're like, I've

661
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: got a contract to get back to. Yeah. That sounds

662
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: like every screenplay or a businessman is inconvenience. Yeah, it's

663
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, there's a terrorist hijacking the airplane and

664
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna miss the account. I gotta get

665
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: home for Christmas. Um So, Okay, that was a nice

666
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: little interlude. So in short order, idi Amine is the

667
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: new president of Uganda. That's a position he would hold

668
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: for more than eight years. The West Stern powers, mainly

669
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: the British and the Americans, were hopeful. At first. They

670
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: hated a Botte because he was a socialist and because

671
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: he was even more corrupt than they were prepared to forgive.

672
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: Idiomine had a good reputation among the British. He trained

673
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: as a paratrooper in Israel, so Israel really liked the

674
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: guy too. Um So, yeah, at first, it seems like

675
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: this new dictator is going to be great for white people. Um.

676
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, Lady Listowell, who was a Hungarian noblewoman and

677
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: a journalist who became Adie's first biographer, met him around

678
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: this time. And here's how she described meeting him for

679
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: the first time, to give you an idea of like

680
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: how this guy comes across quote. I looked into the

681
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: smiling face of a tall, muscular officer with shrewd eyes

682
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: who invited me to a cup of coffee. He was

683
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: a hoaking figure of a man, and I was fascinated

684
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: by his hands. Beautiful, slim hands with long, tapering fingers.

685
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: We gotta your horny gotta, I just love. We did

686
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: a podcast on King Leopold of Belgium, the guy who

687
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: massacred fifteen million people in the Congo, and in his

688
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: biography there's like a whole paragraph talking about how beautiful

689
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: his hands work. So I just that's apparently that's now.

690
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: If I can find one more that's officially hands were

691
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: beautiful hands. I'm just always shocked that apparently some people

692
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: are really staring at hands a lot. Yeah, I know,

693
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: and you never hear about like, you know, his cuticles

694
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: weren't not well manicured, his figures were a little long.

695
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: It was really Yeah. Yeah, there were actually reasons that

696
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: a reasonable person who wasn't you know, purely looking at

697
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: this from like the British point of view, might have

698
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: thought Idiom and had a shot at being a good president. Uh.

699
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: For one thing, he was a fun guy. Everybody who

700
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: met him really spoke highly of him, Like everybody, like

701
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: even people who later were like, oh yeah, he definitely

702
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: committed atrocities. He was charming. It was a fun guy

703
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: to be around. Yeah. I met him and I was

704
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: so scared. I was like, this guy is going to

705
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: kill me. And so I was like, nice guy, great guy. Um.

706
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: He was obsessed with Scotland, which is one of the

707
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: famous things about Idiom. Yeah, all of the officers and

708
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: um yeah, and he had he loved people playing bagpipe weird.

709
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: All of the officers in the King's African Rifles have

710
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: been Scottish and so Dye just really loved Scottish culture.

711
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: He had huge He had a whole plane. Do you

712
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: remember seeing him in like clothing and he's wearing like

713
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: plaid and stuff. And there's a movie about him that's

714
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: not super accurate. It's called The Last King of Scotland. Yeah, yeah. Um.

715
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: And he had a whole plane dedicated just bringing Scottish

716
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: whiskey into uh Uganda, Like there was like a presidential plane.

717
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: That's it's just the Whiskey Express, which is a cool

718
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: thing to differ. Yeah no, that's that's that's legitimately fine.

719
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Um yeah no, we have a vodka guy, fly the

720
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: Whiskey Express. He's fine until he gets home. Uh Idy

721
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: adopted a number of British military traditions for his own military.

722
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: He sent a musician to Scotland for year to learn

723
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: the bagpipes. He also established a state military jazz band

724
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: with perhaps the best name of for a band I've

725
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: ever heard, the Revolutionary Suicide Jazz Band, also known as

726
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary Suicide Mechanized Regiment Band or the Suicide Mechanized

727
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: Jazz Band. And here's there a punk band. No, they

728
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: were just a jazz band. They should have been a

729
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: punk band. Suicide they were. This is a really great picture.

730
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: They were the regimental band. They were a military band,

731
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: and the band they were a unit for was one

732
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: of the elite mechanized regiments in the Ugandan Army that

733
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: was a suicide mechanized regiment. So it was like to

734
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: try to make them sound scary. These guys don't care

735
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: if they die. They're a suicide regiment for sure. Uh.

736
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: And this amazing picture, with several others will be up

737
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: on our website behind the Bastards dot Com. You owe

738
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: it to yourself to check it out. Um. Yeah, So

739
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: it also seems I should know that from from reports

740
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: at the time, most of the musicians in the Suicide

741
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Jazz Band were sort of press ganged and forced

742
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: to play. Um. They don't look exactly happy, but they

743
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: don't look jazz wow. Um. Sotty's rain was brutal by

744
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: all measures, uh, and got increasingly brutal ass time went on.

745
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: There are a number of theories as to why Robert

746
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Keeley thinks he was just promoted out of his depth.

747
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Like Michael Scott. Basically was a fine sergeant, but he

748
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: never should have been an officer, let alone running the nation,

749
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: which is one way or another probably fair. Keely says

750
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: quote he had learned to use his fists and translated

751
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: that into how you hold your position, how you protect yourself.

752
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: He applied all of the brutal boxing lessons he had

753
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: learned against his rivals. Uh. Lady Listowell also thought that

754
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: this poor guy had just been forced to jump into

755
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: a position too complex for his mind. Quote the Kakua

756
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: have a great respect for personalities, but not for rank

757
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: or position. They never had chiefs or recognized clan leaders.

758
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean was brought up to believe that all Cowqua

759
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: tribesmen are equal. Some of his recent measures illustrate all

760
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: too well that he had to leap from a peasant

761
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: background into the complicated politics of the modern world without

762
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: any intermediate feudal preparation. I think this attitude that Eddy

763
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: was just a guy that who got promoted to be

764
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: on his talents is inaccurate and based pretty heavily in racism.

765
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: It shifts the brain the blame over to Uganda for

766
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: letting such a man rise that high, and I think

767
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: the real blame lies with the British. Again, there's guys

768
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: like Idy in every country. Violent authoritarians who seek to

769
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: impose their will on others. Established nation's build antibodies, up

770
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: checks and balances and legal systems, and established bureaucracies to

771
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: stop men with fourth grade educations and histories of head

772
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: injuries from heading the army. Well that sounds nice right

773
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: about now. Well, clearly ours aren't perfect. Um so, but

774
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: you know Uganda didn't have any any of that. The

775
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: British didn't put any of that in place before. They

776
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: just abandoned them. Um. I Like it's one of those

777
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: things where if you look at what was set up

778
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: when the Uganda was freed, I don't see someone like

779
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: idy was bound to at least try to take control. Yeah,

780
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: it sounds like they set up the country like a

781
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: reality show. Yeah, yeah, it is almost like that. Yeah,

782
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: they were like here, you guys, go here, some sticks

783
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: survive and they didn't. They didn't consider any of the

784
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: ways it could go badly. Um and they didn't like

785
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: they know, like the British have never had a military

786
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: coup and they have an officer cadre for a reason.

787
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: They like set like they know how you set up

788
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: a military so it doesn't destroy the country. And they

789
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: didn't do any of that in Uganda because they were

790
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: lazy and they didn't care. Uh So, fun the fun

791
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: the British and Flint Michigan still doesn't have clean water. Yeah,

792
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: fun us too, for sure, for sure, for sure this

793
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: one is actually this one's sort of are bad too,

794
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: because we're we we we supported the Idiomine regime for

795
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: a while, we being the United States, fuck everybody, funck

796
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: everybody except for Uganda. They didn't deserve for Dorrito's. Now,

797
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Derrito's had nothing to do with this good That's that's fair.

798
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: And and you could argue that Derritos has stopped similar

799
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: monsters from arising in other countries by filling them with

800
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: nachio goodness. Yeah, that's right, you stop the monster of hunger.

801
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: As far as we know, Idiomane never got to experience

802
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: extreme nacho flavor, and that might be the secret of

803
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: his madness. The only extremism he should have been into

804
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: is na jesu. So yeah. When the British first started

805
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: the Ugandan colony, they had carried out a policy of

806
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: ringing in South Asians, mostly from India, to Uganda to

807
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: quote service a buffer between Europeans and Africans in the

808
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: middle runs of commerce and administration. This had started when

809
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: the British brought thirty Indians over to build railways in Uganda.

810
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: Uh these folks had a lot more experience with Western

811
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: style capitalism in the average Ugandan and as a result,

812
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: they saw great success setting up businesses in the new colony.

813
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: By the early nineteen seventies, Ugandan Asians owned nine of

814
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: the country's businesses and contributed of its tax revenue, despite

815
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: making up a small minority of the actual population. UH.

816
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: This has obviously caused a lot of unrest between native

817
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: ethnic Ugandans and the Ugandan Asians. President de Boute had

818
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: pursued a policy called Corchanization, which attacked Ugandan Asians with

819
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: laws aimed at reducing their economic dominance it. He expanded

820
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: on that policy and added in a healthy dollop of

821
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: straight up raisism. He announced that the government would be

822
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: reviewing the status of Ugandan Asians who'd been given citizenship.

823
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: So basically they're looking at naturalized Yuganan citizens and finding

824
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: excuses to take away their citizenship. Yeah, that's what's happening

825
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: right now. Yes, it's exactly what's happening right now to

826
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: naturalized American citizens. UM, which is uh, huge bummer, huge

827
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: bumber weird. How these shitty guys have the same playbook

828
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases. UM. I mean also canceled

829
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: all in progress citizenship applications from Asians UH. And then

830
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: in August of nineteen seventy two, who gave all Asians

831
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: in Uganda ninety days to vacate the country. So we're

832
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna get into how that policy went and what a

833
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: cluster fuck ensued afterwards, and what happened once the West

834
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: finally decided that Idi Amine wasn't their man. But first

835
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: we've got some some capitalism to get into. Yeah, capitalism,

836
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the thing that has nothing to do with the tens

837
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: of millions of death STI colonialism not a thing. Not

838
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: a thing. Here's some ants and we're back. So as

839
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: the story has has come up here, Idioman has seized power.

840
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: He's executed a bunch of people, and he has decided

841
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: to expel all of the Asians in Uganda. He's given

842
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: him ninety days to vacate the country. This policy affected

843
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: eighty five thousand people, twenty three thousand of whom were

844
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: already citizens of Uganda. I'm gonna play a clip of

845
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Idi Amine talking to the press to hear how he

846
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: justified the policy. And I think what's interesting about this

847
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: is how friendly the foreign press is to him, which

848
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: sort of gives you an idea of how charming this

849
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: guy was in person. So even though he's introduced, he's

850
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: talking about something pretty awful, like people are they just yeah,

851
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I'll play decision for the economy of Uganda, and I'm

852
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: he makes you that every Ugandans get a fruit of

853
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: independent since independent actually Uganda is not yet independent. I

854
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: will say that even when the British handed over on

855
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: the ninth of October nineteen sixty two, the Uganda still

856
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: not yet independent. Uganda will be independent after this my decision.

857
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: After I want to see that the whole Kampala street

858
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: is not full of Indians. It must be proper black

859
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: under administration in those shops is run by the Ugandans.

860
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Would you like to get all actions out of Really? Yes,

861
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: they must go to their country, even nationals of Uganda.

862
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: If they want to go there, they're they're they're They're

863
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: welcome to go. Also happened to these people If they

864
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: don't go over the time, I think they will be

865
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: sitting like they're sitting on the fire. I will tell

866
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: you this. You just wait. After three months, okay, you

867
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: will see. I think they will not city comfortable here

868
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: in Uganda. I will tell you this. I must actually

869
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: tell you the truth to take for them. If they're

870
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: not doing I am not responsible for building them plans

871
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: to camp. Have you asked the British to take the way. Yes,

872
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: it is a British High commission is here his responsibility.

873
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: I have told him. You've said you wanted to teach

874
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: Britain a lesson? President, why is that? And that is

875
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: now a lesson I'm teaching the British. I am teaching

876
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: now the lesson because I am correcting them from the

877
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: mistake they had made. If they had to think before

878
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: earlier that that as the African here who can even work,

879
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: and the building the railway with the instruction given to

880
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: them by the British, this problem will not happen. Well,

881
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: I was like a MOUNTI python. Yeah, it's remarkable that

882
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: he's like talking about like people, terrible things will happen

883
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: in that they don't leave. And then all of these

884
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: guys laugh like just because it's it's yeah, and it's so.

885
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a point at the end there

886
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: when he says like it was fucked up the British

887
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: to bring these people into build railroads and not just

888
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: have us build railroads because it's our fucking country, which

889
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: is you know, a fair point. But at this point

890
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: these guys are like third generation Uganda's like it's messed

891
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: up to kick people out of your country and take

892
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: their businesses. It's just weird to me. How friendly the

893
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: press was to him still at this point, Well, they

894
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: were all British guys and they didn't really give a

895
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: funk about brown people either way. They were just there

896
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: because they had to be yeah, and they thought he was.

897
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: He was fun and they liked yeah, it's yeah, so

898
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: Itdi's main defense of his policy was that he was

899
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: trying to give you guna back to Ugandans. He also

900
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: said that God had told him in a dream that

901
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: South Asians were to blame for Uganda's economic woes and corruption.

902
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: It's probably that this policy had a lot to do

903
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: with the fact that Great Britain had just refused to

904
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: sell him guns so he could invade hands and Ea.

905
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: So he was basically just being like, Okay, Great Britain,

906
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: you have to deal with eighty thousand refugees now because

907
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: you wouldn't give me the weapons I needed to fund

908
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: with my neighbor. Itty was brutal to the Ugandan Asians,

909
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: but he was equally brutal to ethnic Ugandans. His particular

910
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: targets were a Cholly and Langi tribesman. In the first

911
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: few days of his regime, he executed more than a

912
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: thousand members of these tribes in the army as his

913
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: rain war on the purchase spread from the military to

914
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: the general population. Bullets were in short supply in the

915
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: country and desperately needed for all the wars Itty planned

916
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: to start, so the murder squads he dispatched had to

917
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: find other ways of doing their work. Their preferred tools

918
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: were sledgehammers, crowbars, and sometimes crocodiles. Yeah yeah, I mean,

919
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: if you have crocodiles, every problem looks like crocodiles. No

920
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: one he's ever wielded a crocodile has been a good guy.

921
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: It's never a tool of the good guy. What about Yeah?

922
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: Uh So, the most feared government agency, sort of the

923
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: Idioman equivalent of the German SS, was the State Research Bureau,

924
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: which is maybe my favorite name for like a secret

925
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: police organization. Just sounds so like it seems like the

926
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: guys who should be like, oh yeah, your soils pH

927
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: is off. But these are the murder police, as opposed

928
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: to you know, countries where all of the police and

929
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: the murder police. Um. Anyway, Apollo Lo Walco survived a

930
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: hundred ninety six days in the pink stucco building where

931
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: they tortured and executed their captives. He gives us our

932
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: clearest picture of what life was like for people deemed

933
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: by Idioman to be enemies of the state. Quote, when

934
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: the prisoner's name was called out, the guards would go

935
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: and grab him. We were all in handcuffs already. We

936
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: were in handcuffs twenty four hours a day. But they

937
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: would change the position when they called a man, putting

938
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: them on in back, and then they would place a

939
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: long rope with a loop around his neck. Then someone

940
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: would drag him by the rope along the staircase going

941
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: up to the ground floor, and people would be beating

942
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: him on all parts of his body. Then his head

943
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: would be beaten in. By the time he reached the

944
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: top of the stairs, he was dead. So Looco claims

945
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: the guards made sure the prisoners saw every execution. That

946
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: was part of the point. He claims that between a

947
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty and two hundred people were executed every

948
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: night while he was there in nineteen seventy seven. Looco

949
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: believes he saw more than fifteen thousand Ugandans clubbed and

950
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: beaten to death over just five months, at least two

951
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand Ugandans perished during an idiot means terror.

952
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: In the real number maybe more like half a million,

953
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: roughly one in every fifty seven where to die over

954
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: the next eight years. So Itty himself is said to

955
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: have participated in a number of these murders. Looco claims

956
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: to remember seeing him beat men to death with sledgehammers

957
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: while wearing a gas mask. Quote, I mean was actually participating.

958
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: He turned to us at one point and told us

959
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: to relax. The state research bowmen were mostly Nubians, like Itti,

960
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: former super soldiers of the British Empire, doing what they'd

961
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: always done, just for themselves now. Um, and again, this

962
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: is not savagery that he's executing suddenly now that he's

963
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: in charge. This is exactly what he was doing on

964
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: British orders in Kenya. You know, I'm gonna go ahead

965
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: and get us that when he was president. Is not

966
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: the first time he had people killed with sledgehammers, like

967
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: it's it never sees this to amaze me, Just the

968
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: capability of brutality of some people. Know, and these all

969
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: all these deaths, like obviously these deaths are an idioman,

970
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: but they're also on colonialism, which is well, yeah, for sure,

971
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: I blame everything on colonialism, just so straight and that

972
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: you can it's totally fair. Um, it's like being being

973
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: a white kid who was educated in the South, I

974
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: did not hear very much about colonialism growing up, and

975
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: so it's once I've started researching a lot of these

976
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: guys in the show and learning about King Leopold in

977
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: the fifteen million who died in the Belgian Congo, which

978
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: is probably the worst single crime of colonialism that I've

979
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: come across. But like it's I think it would probably

980
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: be fair to say that, like if you add together

981
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: the Nazis and the Stalinist and Maoist communists and all

982
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: the people they killed, it doesn't come close to the

983
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: deaths to colonialism absolutely, and you know, in a shorter time,

984
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Nazis were great at killing people fast,

985
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: but there's I will never know most of what was

986
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: done in behalf of the British Empire. Yeah. Anyway, so

987
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: all most secret police organizations wore you know, wear leather

988
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: trench coats and dressing all black, like you know, like

989
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: a c your cat. You're in central casting, you're trying

990
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: to like cast its secret police. Like they're all in black.

991
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: They look like the Matrix guys. Yeah, they were in turtlenecks,

992
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: not the men of the Research Bureau. They wore wore

993
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: flowered Hawaiian shirts, platform shoes, and sunglasses. Oh no, they're

994
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: dressed real cool like me. Oh I, I appreciate someone

995
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: doing it different. If you're if you're gonna massacre hundreds

996
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: of thousands of people, at least trying new. You know,

997
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: there's no arm bands here, it's it's yeah, dresses, we're sandals.

998
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: If m if Jimmy Bufett carried out a massacre, it

999
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: would look like this, yeah every time. Y Yeah, well

1000
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: you know they're all drunk. They've got a whiskey plane.

1001
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Uh So. The Research Brea headquarters was connected

1002
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: to president a Means Home by an underground tunnel, so

1003
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: we could show up and participate in the executions when

1004
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: he wanted to. Most of the work was headed by

1005
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: a man named Major Farouquin Minawa. He was sort of

1006
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: the Lavernty Barrier type figure, and Barrier was the head

1007
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: of the KGB for a while under Stalin. Uh So,

1008
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy who could murder his own

1009
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: friends after a night of drinking and hanging out with him.

1010
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: At one point he had his wife and three daughters executed.

1011
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: That guy should have waited till a grand theF Ato

1012
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: came out, just to get it out of his system.

1013
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: I think so. Um he suspected his wife and daughters

1014
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: were helping guns and rebels because they were Baganda Baganda's

1015
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: which is like the tribe, one of the tribes that

1016
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: he hated. Um. So yeah, It's important to understand that

1017
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: all the oppression apparatus ITDDI created was very decentralized, so

1018
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: most of the deaths during this period were not idio

1019
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: means signing someone's death warrant. It was as a result

1020
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: of the fact that all soldiers and intelligence officers in

1021
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: his country were allowed to arrest or kill any person

1022
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: they considered dangerous to peace and good order. So Iddie

1023
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: gave his men a legal excuse to pursue their personal

1024
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: grudges and steal from people. Polished. You guys just dropping

1025
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: out in their no and that is the official line

1026
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: of the podcast is abolish ice, bider ritos. I'm drinking

1027
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: all water lukewarm until ice is a bolish It is

1028
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: funny that like our Gestapo equivalent is ice, because if

1029
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: they had known fifteen years ago, they probably would have

1030
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: named it something cooler. Ice is. Yeah, it's not that cool. Yeah,

1031
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean gave his men excuses yet to pursue personal

1032
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: grudges and steal from people. One survivor recalled, quote, everything

1033
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: you have seen in Wild West movies was everyday life.

1034
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: Here someone bumping off the husband and publicly taking the wife,

1035
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: or someone bumping you off and openly driving off with

1036
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: your car. So I hope we presented kind of a

1037
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: picture of how brutal a means regime was. Let's dig

1038
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: a little deeper into the man himself. You can't understand

1039
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Idioman without understanding that he was great at fucking great

1040
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: that well, at least he needed everyone to believe that

1041
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: he was great at fun So one way or the other,

1042
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: it's important understand that that was a part of his

1043
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: public image that was bad. Ladies now and and almost

1044
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: all like the only person, the only famous person I'm

1045
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: convinced who was ever actually good at fucking I was

1046
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: gonna say Marlon Brandon, but oh yeah, yeah, well Marlon

1047
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: Brandon makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was method so

1048
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: he was method Um anyway, Yeah, so uh, I mean

1049
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: was it was important to him that there'd be a

1050
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: public image that he was virile and good at sex.

1051
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: His former Minister for Health, Henry Kimba, said this besides

1052
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: his five wives. Also, he had five wives, honestly for

1053
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: what I thought. Yeah, No, he's he's he's he's a

1054
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: conservative fellow. Besides his five wives, I mean, has had

1055
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: countless other women, many of whom have borne him children.

1056
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: His sex life is truly extraordinary. He regards his sexual

1057
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: energy as a sign of his power and authority. He

1058
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: never tries to hide his lust. His eyes lock onto

1059
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: any beautiful woman. His reputation for sexual performance is so

1060
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: startling that women often deliberately make themselves available, and his

1061
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: love affairs have included women of all colors in many nations,

1062
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: from schoolgirls to mature women, from street girls to university lecturers.

1063
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: Which is who knows how true that is? It sounds

1064
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of it. Definitely, definitely a lot, because

1065
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: there's a ton of stories from having husbands executed so

1066
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: we could suck their wife. Um, but this is you know,

1067
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: his former minister of health giving what is this is

1068
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: what Idioman wanted people to hear about him that he's

1069
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: because this was important, of course. Yeah, I'm great at

1070
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: fighting and I'm great at fucking. Yeah, he sounds like

1071
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: World Chamberlain. There's just something about authoritarian assholes and needing

1072
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: people to believe they're tough and good at fucking. I

1073
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: want everyone to know I am bad at sex, which

1074
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: means very ladies, good sex over there. Yeah, I'm trying

1075
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: to think about which of our presidents were definitely the

1076
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: bit because I hear JFK was terrible. Really, yeah, I've heard.

1077
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: I've heard lb J said JFK was terrible. Well, you

1078
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: can't trust that guy. You can't trust that guy was

1079
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: jealous and he called his dick jumbo, which means he

1080
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: did well, maybe that's true. Then I don't know. Nixon

1081
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: seems pretty bad. Nixon can't have been good, right, No, Um,

1082
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Teddy Roosevelt. Well he was in a wheelchair.

1083
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: That was FDR. Never mind, Well he was a big

1084
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: stick guy, right, it was a big stick guy. Yeah,

1085
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: that guy can suck. That guy could fun. And I

1086
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: feel like FDR was probably pretty good, but like he

1087
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: would have been like a hands and oral man. That's

1088
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: my guest for FDR. I think he leaves them satisfied.

1089
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: As what I'm saying, I don't think. Yeah yeah, um

1090
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: so idi Amin again had five wives. His favorite wife

1091
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: was a lady named Sarah. He met her when she

1092
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: was eighteen and a go go dancer for the Revolutionary

1093
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: Suicide jazz band Um stories. All this time Eddie fell

1094
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: in love, but tragically, Sarah already had a fiance and

1095
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, so when she gave birth on Christmas

1096
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Day nineteen seventy four, it he just told everyone the

1097
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: kid was his and had the birth announced on state television.

1098
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Sarah's fiance was not happy with this, but he died

1099
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: in our car crash immediately after this, so it worked out.

1100
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: No suspicion but then at all Nope, just a random

1101
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: car crash, the like the day that he complains, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1102
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: I shouldn't laugh there. I may be getting a little

1103
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: callous of all these stories. I mean it's hard not

1104
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: to disassociate a little bit. I mean, so far in

1105
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: the last hour, I've learned of many millions of people. Yeah,

1106
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's horrific. Um so Idy I mean married

1107
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: Sarah Knight was a small private ceremony, but Idy was

1108
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: concerned that having a small private ceremony might be portrayed

1109
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: or might be seen as excluding the people of Uganda,

1110
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: so he remarried her in a gigantic televised ceremony. Yes

1111
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: or Era Fat was his best man. The banquet cost

1112
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: two million dollars, the banquet, not the whole wedding, just

1113
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: that which I would kind of want to check out it.

1114
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen Super sixteen, you know whatever it's called.

1115
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: So President, I mean cut the red and wedding cake

1116
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: with a sword. Knowing his history, there's no chance he

1117
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't also use that sword to stab people. Obviously, sword

1118
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: guys sort of the problem. That's how you know someone's

1119
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: trusted if they're a fucking sword guy. Machine eddie is

1120
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: a people's weapon. While you were learning about colonialism, I

1121
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: was studying a block change. Uh. So Idy had five

1122
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: wives and something like forty or fifty children. Uh. He

1123
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: married his first two wives in the same year, nineteen

1124
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: sixty six, when he was twenty eight. One of those

1125
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: marriages went all right and produced several children, but his

1126
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: second wife, Kay, divorced him, and he murdered the best

1127
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: man and then murdered Kay. Her arms and legs were

1128
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: found in a sack in the trunk of a car,

1129
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: so Idi had her body sewn back together and marched

1130
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: around in front of his children and other wives, or

1131
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: he didn't. So this is again where we get into

1132
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: some controversy. Because his kids are still around and talking

1133
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: today and do speeches and like several of them have

1134
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: have they don't necessarily doubt the crimes that were committed

1135
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: in their dad's reign, but they are all pretty consistent

1136
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: about the fact that no, he was a good dad

1137
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: and very normal around us. So it's possible this is

1138
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: this story is a lie, like the witchcraft stuff. Hard

1139
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: to tell because again, his kids even today, are all

1140
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: pretty much he was He was fun um, so he

1141
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: might not have brought it home. I really don't know.

1142
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. Yeah, okay, there's it's It's one of

1143
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: those things. It's impossible to know the truth their stories

1144
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: that he was brutal to his kids and fucking had

1145
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: corpses training around them, and then his kids say stuff

1146
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: like here's a quote from his son, it was fun

1147
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: with my dad all the time. It was fun. His daughter,

1148
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: my muna Amin said he was such a lovely man,

1149
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: so good, so lovely. He never beats any children when

1150
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: he's at home. He just wanted us all to be

1151
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: on him. He's like a mother, a father, a sister,

1152
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: a brother in one. He loved music and he's always

1153
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: on his accordion singing. Wow, what a revisionist history. Yeah,

1154
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's also possible that he was a brutal

1155
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: monster everywhere outside of the home and was fine with

1156
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: his kids. Yeah, and they just never heard about They

1157
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: heard about it, but again they don't. A lot of

1158
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: them don't deny that brutality of the regime. They're just

1159
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: like at home, he was a normal guy, which that happens. Like.

1160
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: You can find plenty of stories about people hanging out

1161
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: with Hitler and being like he was super nice and

1162
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: he was like my uncle. And yeah, people always say

1163
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: dictators are charismatic and stuff. I mean, even if we

1164
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: feel the same thing with celebrities. I don't really know,

1165
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I I and I can't know. What we

1166
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: do know, and what we do know for certain is

1167
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: that Idi Amine played the accordion fucking constantly. He was

1168
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: apparently if you're an accordion guy, he was apparently good

1169
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: at playing the accordion and here's here's a picture of

1170
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: him doing the weird ol thing o. God right, it's

1171
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: weird that dorks are truly the worst people in the

1172
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: world because that guy's in the swords, accordions, bagpipes. This

1173
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: guy has a bad taste. Everyone with bad tish needs

1174
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: to be called. And if he had grown up now, like, yeah,

1175
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: he would still play the accordion and have a bunch

1176
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: of swords, but he would also be able to talk

1177
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: to you about anime for sixteen hours. Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

1178
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry anime fans, I mean, enemy is pretty cool, yeah,

1179
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: some of it. So the stuff Idie I mean is

1180
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: probably most famous for is again cannibalism, witchcraft in his

1181
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: obsession with Scotland, because that's like the sensational stuff for sure.

1182
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: People we don't know again, that's one of those Yeah,

1183
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: we're about to get into that. Um. So it's an

1184
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: arguably true that he loved Scotland. There's a shipload of

1185
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: documented evidence of that. And maybe he just was eating

1186
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: some haggas and or they just wished it was exactly

1187
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: oh please eat some people stuff with that ship. It

1188
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: is very much up for debate as to whether or

1189
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: not he was really into black magic and cannibalism. The

1190
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: rumors that he was in the magic and eating people

1191
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: started with the Begundans Uh and the Begundans where the

1192
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: people from South Uganda and they did not like the

1193
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: people from North Uganda Um. A lot of these rumors

1194
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: originate from one begund And who served in Idia Means cabinet.

1195
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: He wrote in his book, which was one of the

1196
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: major sources for the last King of Scotland, quote a

1197
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: means bizarre behavior derives partly from his tribal background. Like

1198
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: many other warrior societies, the Kakwa Means tribe are known

1199
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: to have practiced blood rituals on slain enemies. These involved

1200
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: cutting a piece of flesh from the body to subdue

1201
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: the dead man's spirit, or tasting the victim's blood to

1202
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: render the spirit harmless. Such rituals still exist among the Kakwa.

1203
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: If they kill a man, it is their practice to

1204
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: insert a knife in the body and touch the bloody

1205
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: blade to their lips. I have reason to believe that

1206
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: it means practices do not stop at tasting blood. On

1207
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: several occasions, he has boasted to me and others that

1208
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: he has eaten human flesh. He went on to say

1209
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: that eating human flesh is not uncommon in his home area.

1210
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: It's possible that this is true. The British noted that

1211
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: the Kaqwa engaged in quote sacrifices of humans and animals,

1212
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: but it's also worth noting that most of the claims

1213
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: about cannibalism came from Idye's enemies. A major source for

1214
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: this podcast was an article from the University of Graneingen

1215
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: in the Netherlands titled idi Amine Icon of Evil. This

1216
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: article notes that the witchcraft and cannibalism myths may have

1217
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: started as a result of local racism within Uganda, so

1218
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: racism from southern Ugandans towards no Northern Ugandans quote. The

1219
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: southern Ugandans are particularly contemptuous of the Southern Sudanese and Newbies,

1220
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: not of other northern tribes as wild and uncivilized. It

1221
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: is from them that we have reports, if I mean

1222
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: and his Newbies tasting the blood of their victims and

1223
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: eating their livers. And the explanation that's such a custom

1224
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: is either a nubie or coqua one, So we don't know.

1225
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: It's possible he licked blood it's possible he ate flesh.

1226
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: It's also possible that's just racism from people in the

1227
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: sun would argue, you know, you kill thousands of people,

1228
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: that is worse anyway. I mean, like, I'm wouldn't be

1229
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: completely surprised if you know, he got into desecrating some

1230
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: bodies at all, It wouldn't be beyond the pale to assume.

1231
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: But it's also I think this is something that happens

1232
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: in Western media a lot with these dictators where if

1233
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: you can get like that, there's a bunch of stories

1234
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,959
Speaker 1: about the North Korean regime that are are bullshit that

1235
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: that have no basis in reality about like and it's

1236
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: always like the cookie ones about like ridiculous claims the

1237
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: Kim's made, and like the stuff that that sounds really funny,

1238
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: like that you can laugh at. And some of those

1239
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: are true because like any authoritarian regime is going to

1240
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: have some silly stuff around it because it's a silly thing, um.

1241
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: But a lot of it's just lies, and it's the

1242
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: same thing. It's lies that make it seem like something

1243
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: other than what it is, which is a brutal dictatorship

1244
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: as opposed to like, no, it's this crazy cannibal man

1245
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: man who ruled the country. And it's like, well, no,

1246
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: there's nothing really crazy. He's just a monster like all

1247
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: of the other That's less scary to me than just

1248
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: a person who knows exactly what they're doing and does

1249
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: it anyway. That's like if an oil tycoon or something.

1250
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: And then there was a rumor though, like did you

1251
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: hear that he litters? Yeah, he's running the environment. Yeah.

1252
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: And I that's kind of why I wanted to dig

1253
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: into these myths about him a lot, because that's what

1254
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: most people know about Idio mean, which I think is

1255
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: less I think the fact that the idea that, oh,

1256
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: maybe this guy was a cannibal and a dictator is

1257
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: less interesting than like, this guy was trained to be

1258
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: a brutal dictator in the British Army who raised him

1259
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: to be a soldier and then abandoned him and his

1260
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: country to whatever was going to happen next, which I

1261
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: think is a more accurate story. Um. And but that

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01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: one isn't fun for Americans because it implicates all of

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: Western civilization as opposed to some cannibal gotten in charge

1264
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: over there in Africa. Um. Anyway, that's that's you know,

1265
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: my thinking on the matter. Um, so obviously by this time,

1266
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: uh and you know, by the middle of his reign,

1267
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: kind of the bloom was off the rose. The British

1268
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: were no longer fans of idi Amin word if his

1269
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: atrocities had filtered out to the world. Europe turned away,

1270
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: and idi did what he always did when someone questioned him.

1271
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: He flipped out and attacked. He declared himself conquer of

1272
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: the British Empire. He had T shirts printed up with

1273
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: his face on it and Conquer of the British Empire

1274
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: printed beneath, which is a pretty pretty pro move. He

1275
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: developed a love for having white guys, particularly British guys,

1276
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: bow to him. So there's a bunch of picture is

1277
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: like this of British businessmen like I'm wearing oaths to him. Now,

1278
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: this is the first thing that oh, just away because

1279
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: it's about to get fucking better. Because at one point

1280
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: he made a bunch of British businessmen carry him around

1281
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: on a sedan chair while a crowd cheered, which is

1282
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: that's a solid move. Yeah, I do like that. Sorry

1283
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: not to support that. He's got a little he's got Okay,

1284
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: someone's holding an umbrella for him. Yeah, and that's the

1285
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of wackiness that we know went down. And again

1286
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: he's not all wrong, like the whiskey plane was a

1287
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: solid idea. Yeah yeah, um. So Eddie desperately wanted to

1288
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: be a major player on the global stage. He wasted

1289
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: no opportunity to wade into any global conflict that he could.

1290
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: When the Watergate scandal broke, he sent a letter to

1291
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon and gave him advice on how to handle Watergate.

1292
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: Nice quote. When the stability of a nation is in danger,

1293
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: the only solution is, unfortunately, to imprison the leaders of

1294
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: the opposition. Yea. The longer he was in power, the

1295
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: more unhinged in braggy he became president. I mean, started

1296
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: to inflate the stories of his military service, claiming he'd

1297
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: fought in Burma during World War Two. He offered to

1298
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: marry Princess Anne of Great Britain. He also offered to

1299
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: become King of Scotland and lead the Scots to independence

1300
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: from Britainin Britain, for the most part, the international response

1301
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: to Idi Amine was laughter, the same kind of laughter

1302
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: you find today when people talk about ridiculous with Korean propaganda.

1303
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: Alan coren A British comedian had a popular column in

1304
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: Punch magazine where he'd write out fake idi Amine speeches

1305
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: that were very racist. If you've got Spotify, you can

1306
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: find the album that was made based on these columns

1307
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: with a white guy doing IDE's voice. It is it was.

1308
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this was like in the mid seventies. Um

1309
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: if you look up Idiomine on Spotify, you'll find the

1310
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: album and it's like infuriating because it's just it's joking

1311
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: about what was in reality a horrific, crime filled regime,

1312
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: making fun of the fact that Idioman talks funny, which

1313
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't even talk that funny. He speaks better English

1314
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: than I do fucking Uganda. Um so uh yeah. But

1315
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: this is again that's the international reaction is they're laughing

1316
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: at this guy, They're making fun of him. He's like,

1317
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: this horror show is playing out in Africa and it's

1318
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: being treated as kind of like a freak show to

1319
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. Um so yeah. The caricature

1320
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: of idi Amine Um is based a lot in white

1321
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: European racism, but it's also based in some local Ugandan

1322
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: regional racism. So they're north North of Uganda is basically

1323
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: the social equivalent of the American South and the well educated,

1324
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: well to do Southern Uganda's considered idi Amine to be

1325
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: like a hillbilly. They thought his accent when he spoke

1326
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: in Yugan and they thought his accent was painful. Um.

1327
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: So it's basically he was like to a lot of

1328
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: people in Southern Uganda. He was like if we had

1329
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: a president who came from the dirty South and talked

1330
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: like he was grew up on the body. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1331
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: That That is the attitude that like the Southerners have

1332
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: towards him. Um. In reality, Idioman was a pretty smart guy.

1333
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't educated obviously, but he was. He had a

1334
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: lot of intelligence, because you don't carry out a regime

1335
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: like this and keep it going for eight years without that.

1336
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: Most of his actions were pretty logical. Uh. Mass murder

1337
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: is a time honored way to stay in power. Exiling

1338
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: the Asians tank Ugana's economy, but it provided itdie with

1339
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: a host of businesses that he could give away to

1340
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: his supporters in exchange for their loyalty. And for a

1341
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: while his tactics worked pretty well, but he made more

1342
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 1: mistakes as time went on. One of those was alienating Israel.

1343
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: He had initially been friendly to the country, he'd trained

1344
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: there again as a paratrooper, but he wound up switching

1345
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: around and backing the Palestinian cause, which is fine, but

1346
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: he also descended into horrific anti Semitism. In nineteen seventy two,

1347
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: the he told the UN Secretary General that Hitler had

1348
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: been quote right to burn six million Jews, and he

1349
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: promised to build a monument to Hitler in kampala Uh.

1350
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: He was eventually convinced to cancel this plan because everyone

1351
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: around him was like, that's bad idea, idio mean, but

1352
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: he continued pissing off Israel as the years rolled by.

1353
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: On June nine, six and Air France flight with two

1354
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: forty eight passengers was hijacked by two members of the

1355
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Now this was

1356
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: back in the day when terrorist plane hijackers didn't kill

1357
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: people as a general rule. They just kind of have

1358
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,959
Speaker 1: the plane flown to an airport and hold everyone hostage

1359
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: until their comrades were released from prison or they got

1360
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of money or whatever. This was like a

1361
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: common thing. There's a period of time in the seventies

1362
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: where every week there'd be a new fucking hijacking. Um So,

1363
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: these particular hijackers and this plane most of the passengers

1364
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: there is Rali. So these particular hijackers land first in

1365
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: Libya and then at Entebbi Airport in Uganda. President I

1366
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: mean welcomed them enthusiastically. This proved to be a mistake

1367
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: when one week later Israeli commandos raided the airport, liberated

1368
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: the captives, and destroyed a sizeable chunk of the Ugandan

1369
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: air force while it was sitting on the tarmac. Yeah,

1370
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: there's a movie called Raid on Entebbi about it. It's

1371
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: a very famous like commando raid thing. Um So, Itty

1372
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: flipped out of this. He'd already switched from ing pro

1373
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: is Real to pro Palestine, of course, but he went

1374
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: over the deep end. He had a seventy three year

1375
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: old Jewish woman and a you gun in hospital named

1376
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: Dora block Uh, pretty brutally murdered, and then he went

1377
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: on kind of a world insult tour. Um So, this

1378
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: is kind of a little bit and and there's growing

1379
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: local resistance to him at this point too. So he's

1380
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: he starts to in the late seventies go off the

1381
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: rails a bit. Uh. He called the President of Tanzania

1382
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: a coward, an old woman in a prostitute. He called

1383
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: the President of Zambia an imperialist puppet and boot liquor.

1384
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: He called Henry Kissinger a murderer and a spy, which

1385
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: was pretty fair. Uh. He also said that Queen Elizabeth

1386
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: should send him her twenty five year old knickers to

1387
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: celebrate her silver jubilee. So he was like the semi

1388
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: year old underwear Queen of England, which is I appreciate this. Yeah,

1389
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: that's that's solid. Uh. He steadily expanded his list of

1390
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,879
Speaker 1: titles over the years. In nineteen seventy seven, he announced

1391
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: that he must now be addressed as quote his excellent

1392
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: see Field Marshal Al Haji Dr Idi Amine data life,

1393
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: President of Uganda, Conqueror of the British Empire, Distinguished Service

1394
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:13,799
Speaker 1: Order of the Military Cross, Victoria Cross, and Professor of Geography.

1395
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: What a good tag at the end. This guy is funny. Yeah.

1396
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: That professor of geography thing is really what sets it off. UM.

1397
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: On October thirty made the biggest mistake of his dictator career.

1398
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: He invaded Tanzania. Um. This was over a pretty useless

1399
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: piece of land like there was no good reason to

1400
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: attack the spot that he did. Tanzania counterattacked, and since

1401
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: their military was much more functional than the Ugandan military,

1402
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 1: the Ugandans were quickly thrown back. Next, Tanzania marched on Uganda.

1403
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: Aided by the Gandan Ugandan exiles, they moved to unseat

1404
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: Ittie from power. For his part, Idi Amine announced that

1405
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: he now loved the Tanzanian president and quote would have

1406
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: married him if he had been a woman. This didn't

1407
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: work and did not turn back the Tanzanian army, so

1408
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: Idi Amine had to flee from power, first to Libya

1409
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: and then to Saudi Arabia, where he spent the rest

1410
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: of his life in exile. Uh somehow, not being a

1411
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 1: warlord anymore seemed to calm him down. He lived a

1412
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: quiet life, regularly visiting Mecca and living with just one

1413
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: wife and several of his children. Yeah. Yeah, he's one

1414
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: of the ones who got away with it. Um Idi

1415
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: explained in a rare nineteen interview that quote, when I

1416
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: am no longer president, some of them say they don't

1417
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: want me. I accept it. Frankly. I have had one

1418
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: wife since and have found also to have one life

1419
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: is better. So idi Amine lapsed into a coma on

1420
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: July nineteenth, two thousand three. He was put on life

1421
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: support at a hospital in Jetta. His family had begged

1422
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: the new ugun And government to let him return home

1423
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: to die. They were told he'd have to stand trial

1424
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: if he returned, So I mean he didn't go back,

1425
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: and in August sixteen, two thousand and three, Idi Amine

1426
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: died peacefully in a hospital bed in Saudi Arabia. And

1427
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: that's unfortunately not the end of the story or Uganda's problems,

1428
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: because President of the Ghosts is going to happen um.

1429
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: President of Bote returned after Iddie was ousted. Aboute was

1430
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: not outwardly ridiculous. He didn't make crazy claims about the

1431
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: Holocaust or randomly insult foreign leaders. He didn't have a

1432
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: wacky title. What he did do was vastly expand the

1433
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: purges that Idi Amine had begun. While Amine had mostly

1434
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: targeted certain tribe members in the military and government, a

1435
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: Bote targeted huge chunks of civilians based on their tribe.

1436
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: He probably killed more people in his second term than

1437
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: died during the entirety of Idi Amine's reign. Jesus A.

1438
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: Bote was eventually overthrown by a general named Bazello olauo Okello,

1439
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: who was violently overthrown by Yoweri Musaveni's Natural National Resistance

1440
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: Army in nineteen six. Musaveni is still the president of

1441
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: Uganda today. He had term limits abolished in two thousand

1442
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: five and removed the presidential aid limit in two thousand seventeen.

1443
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: Uganda has to this day never seen a peaceful transition

1444
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: of power. Wow. So that's the story. That's a heartwarming time.

1445
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: It is it is uh And it's a tale where

1446
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: like I mean, Idiomine is the the organ through which

1447
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: all of this repression and violence was executed. But the

1448
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: real bastard of this is the British Empire in my

1449
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: opinion at least, Yeah, for sure. I mean, I mean

1450
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 1: I'll trace all the blame back to white people at

1451
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: any time, for sure. But man, I really just can't

1452
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: imagine living in a country or so much bloodshed is

1453
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: like happening constantly all the time. Politically, Um, yeah, I

1454
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: would move away so fast. Well, And that's it's one

1455
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: of those things that how are you gonna? But yeah,

1456
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: how are you gonna? And it's you get all these

1457
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: people in Europe and the United States now because most

1458
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: of the people who like flee parts of Africa are

1459
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: going to wade heading to Europe because it's very it's

1460
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: easier to get there than it is to get to

1461
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: the US. And you know, get this, like what is

1462
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: our We can't take all care of all these people.

1463
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you could steal the ship for two

1464
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: hundred years, like and then leave them without because Uganda

1465
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: there at no point in prior history they were like

1466
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: kingdoms and states and whatnot all over Africa, but there

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Speaker 1: was there never been a Uganda, Like all of these

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Speaker 1: groups of people had never been forced together before the

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Speaker 1: British did that. And if you're going to do you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't do that in the first place. But if you're

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Speaker 1: going to do that, if you're going to force these

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Speaker 1: people into a state, you owe it to them to

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Speaker 1: like create a functional state before you leave. Which, yeah,

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01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: it's up, it's real fucked up. Well, I hope you

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01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: learned something today. I did somehow left more grim than

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01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: than it came in. Um that's the fun of colonialism.

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01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: But that's okay. I mean, like sometimes you got to

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01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: know the monstrous capabilities of um what you know what

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: we can do as human beings to prevent it. Yeah, Um, jeez,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to take a good

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: lesson out of this, other than don't be a colonialist

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: and don't take a people and train them to be

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: soldiers and nothing else for a century. Yeah, don't. Um,

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01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: what are some other things? Don't play bagpipes and play

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: the accordions? Well that's okay, let's not attempt the swords.

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01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: Let's attack the bagpipes aren't the problem here. Yeah, I

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: don't know what else to learn. I mean with you

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: about accordions? Yeah, I mean I haven't watched Um, what's

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01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: it called Last King of Scotland? Have you watched? Yeah,

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: it's I don't. I didn't enjoy it very much. Is

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01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: it too? Is it sympathetic or no? It's it plays

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01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: into the brutality of one thing that does a decent

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01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: job of this, showing you how he might have charmed

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01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: people earlier. But I think it leans more into the

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01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: sensational side of things, which eating people and stuff and

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: it Yeah, and it does, isn't. It doesn't talk at

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: all about a means past in a meaningful way. And

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01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: that's why I lead this by talking about British military

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01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: policy and their colonies, because I don't think you can understand,

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01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, without understanding where he and his people came from. Yeah,

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01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean that alone is interesting by itself. Is a story,

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, not a not a fun story, but it's

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01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: definitely not a fun story, but it's an important one. Uh.

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: And I will say, if you are starting a punk

1505
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: band in the near future, the Suicide Revolutionary Jazz band,

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty fucking they honestly sound like a scar bandy

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01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: and look like one. They do look like a scar band.

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: They're all dressed nice, they got their shirts tucked in.

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01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: Ah man, I could go for some suicide revolutionary SCA music. Yeah. Um.

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01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: I think the worst part of that story was that

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Speaker 1: he died peacefully. That is, it's always a bummer when

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 1: that happens, because like we're I think a daffi is

1513
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: going to be running shortly before this podcast comes out,

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: and that's a story where the monster gets Like, that's

1515
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: what you want to see happen to these guys as

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: they get dragged out into the street and murdered by

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Speaker 1: their own people. They sucked over. Yeah, I can think

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: of a couple of people would like to see that

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: happened to Yeah, yeah, whose names we won't give because

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: there are laws against that sort of thing. But there's

1521
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: it's hard not to want certain people dragged out into

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: the street and at least like, you know, maybe not

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01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: even killed, just pete on by dozens of people. Well,

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01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: I guess there's nothing left for us to do but

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01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: for me to ask you to cool. You could uh,

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01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, uh, maybe get some laughs from looking at

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01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: some videos. I don't know how to transition this either

1528
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: that hasn't videos on my website Bertti Rida com. You

1529
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at ao bro bro um,

1530
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: where I just usually complain about um. People can cat

1531
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: us in Hollywood and making some jokes and you can

1532
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: see me performs with jokes all around l A and um.

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01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, if you have any more questions, I will

1534
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 1: refer you to this guy because I don't know anything.

1535
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you like complaining about casting, they did

1536
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: just cast a new Idioman movie. Uh yes, Scarlett Johansson's

1537
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:24,959
Speaker 1: gonna play him. You got me, you got me? Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at

1539
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: I write okay, just the two letters there, I get

1540
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: a book on Amazon called A Brief History of Vice.

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01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: You can find that on Amazon. You can find this

1542
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: podcast at behind the Bastards dot com, where we will

1543
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: have pictures of the incredible Suicide Revolutionary Jazz Band and

1544
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: some other pictures from A Means Rain, as well as

1545
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: links to all the sources for this podcast. I really

1546
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: do recommend reading that University of Gronigan article. It's a

1547
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: fascinating analysis of why Idi has seen sort of the

1548
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: way he is today and where he came from. Um

1549
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Speaker 1: so uh. You can also find us on Twitter and

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01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: Instagram social media at Bastards pods, so so look us up,

1551
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: check us out. This has been behind the Bastards for

1552
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,799
Speaker 1: the week I've been Robert Evans. Check back in next Tuesday,

1553
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: when we will be talking about someone else who is

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Speaker 1: also terrible. H