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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. So, Kelly, you

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Speaker 1: know how I told you that our producer Amy, she

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Speaker 1: is from the town where our TV movie was based on,

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Speaker 1: the one we did no research on, but she has

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Speaker 1: a lot of insights, so I wanted her to come

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Speaker 1: on today to kind of give us the real deal

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Speaker 1: on how it went down.

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Speaker 2: So I will tell you guys a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: But when you made this movie, did you know it

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Speaker 2: was it's very loosely based, right, but it's that it

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Speaker 2: was based on a real.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, I knew I was playing someone who

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Speaker 3: killed someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: Very mindful of that in my portrayal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then what's so wild is that you came

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Speaker 2: back and did it many years later.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, but they wanted me to play

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Speaker 3: like a mom or or something, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: I want to be in You're the cop, right yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually it was a it was written as

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Speaker 3: a man, a male FBI Asian.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to play I want to play

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Speaker 4: that person. So anyway, so.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you so and ask me anything. So there

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Speaker 2: are a couple of things. One is I won't say

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Speaker 2: the real names either, because out of respect, they never

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Speaker 2: wanted the real names out there, and yes they are

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Speaker 2: out there. What's interesting is, even though I was nine

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Speaker 2: or ten when this happened, I could tell you every

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Speaker 2: real name, like like it was yesterday, Like the real

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Speaker 2: names are burned in my mind. And so basically this

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Speaker 2: happened in about nineteen eighty four, I think, So you

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Speaker 2: guys didn't do your movie until ten years later. Was

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Speaker 2: the movie in ninety four? I think I was nine

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Speaker 4: So okay, I actually, weirdly, the first thing that popped

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Speaker 4: into my head is were they really Catholic? Like very

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Speaker 2: That was not something that I remember?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: So I don't know where that part came from, either

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Speaker 2: from your character or Tory's character. Here's what I remember.

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Speaker 2: I remember it happening. So basically I won't say the

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Speaker 2: town name, but my growing up so I had two houses.

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Speaker 2: My growing up house. My first house. If you walked

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Speaker 2: probably walked seven more minutes, that was their house. So

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Speaker 2: that was that was their house. And I told my

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Speaker 2: her like I don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Wow wow wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then so we live in a very so it's

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Speaker 2: the town. And this was in nineteen eighty four ish.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the exact dates. And I was about

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Speaker 2: nine or ten, and I can remember a few things.

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Speaker 2: I can remember immediately the green Pinto. We were told

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Speaker 2: this was on the news. How I have such a

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Speaker 2: and some of it's a little bit like do I

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Speaker 2: I remember hearing it. It's like blurry. We were to

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Speaker 2: I can remember that too. That stands out in my mind.

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Speaker 5: Sure in their lives, was that in the movie with

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Speaker 2: There have like chills.

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Speaker 3: It gives me like there was one Yeah, there was

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Speaker 4: But I also really want to know. Was there a

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the other thing I remember.

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Speaker 1: And the cutting board in cucumber.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so that part was so this is what

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Speaker 2: not premeditated. So basically because they had this reason. And

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Speaker 2: all the details of the case. This is just my memory.

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Speaker 2: So I remember hearing she had the knife in the

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, now I get it. It wasn't premeditated

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Speaker 1: Meaning she so she did think I feel like from

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Speaker 1: watching the movie correcty, so it was your character. But

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Speaker 2: No, she didn't see That's what we that hence the

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Speaker 2: many arguments on that. You could argue that the vegetable

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Speaker 2: story was hullabaloo. I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 1: She brought the knife in the car with vegetables to say, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: That was how we always heard it. So my parents

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Speaker 2: were I have another memory. My parents definitely went to

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Speaker 2: the funeral for Tory's character. Again I won't say the names,

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Speaker 2: it's the memories of my parents, And I remember my

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Speaker 2: don't know if it was the barber Streis say memories

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Speaker 2: another memory. There's two songs that are similar. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: the one that's like from Cats, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know which one it is. But anytime I

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Speaker 2: and I and it's both because I at the time

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Speaker 2: can remember that. I can remember the neighbors, like there

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Speaker 2: moved and the sority part is real too, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it was a different name. And so that was

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Speaker 2: would be I would bet these don't exist anymore, but

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Speaker 3: So when within respect to the knife, I remember when

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Speaker 4: That's just crazy.

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Speaker 3: So I remember kind of setting that aside as we

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Speaker 4: But that seemed really crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: And I love how we planted, like it's planted earlier

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Speaker 3: in the movie that the sister really likes to eat vegetables, right.

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Speaker 4: It's really weird.

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Speaker 3: It's like one of those really strange things that stand out.

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Speaker 3: But I think they had to figure out.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they could catch this vegetable thing happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that felt weird back then. It was like huh, even

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Speaker 2: when your character was released, And I will remember playing

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Speaker 2: as day one of my friends at the yogurt shop

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Speaker 4: I know, is that kind of the last sighting? Like,

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Speaker 2: What we always heard was she changed her name and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine it's all kind of blurry.

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Speaker 2: But man, do I remember that we were all looking

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Speaker 2: it was a Pinto. And my memory is that it

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Speaker 2: like my mom being like that, you know, like being

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Speaker 3: My friend has an old Pinto actually, so I totally

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Speaker 3: it's a Nova.

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Speaker 5: Ava's the Chevy Nova.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the car was very significant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So like that's what's so interesting is I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to because I remember the movie right because I was

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Speaker 2: huge on nine O two one oho, so it was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Tory Spelling's got this big movie. I don't remember if

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Speaker 2: because I've told Toy before and I've heard sometimes it

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Speaker 2: comes up like there was a just Investigates one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite murder. They've talked about it on that podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's so upsetting to so many people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just sight because all I played up

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Speaker 4: You have to let us know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have an idea, Kelly, what if we since

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Speaker 4: Well, because it is interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's like all these years later, how do people remember it? What?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's a bit like I'm sure this

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I do. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to end it because it's so terrible,

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Speaker 2: but great to see Kelly.

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Speaker 4: A nice nice Thank you for all these details.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by them, and Toy we can discuss further

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Speaker 3: when you come over for our power meeting at the Barn.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, we're going to have a power pig

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Speaker 1: meeting and discuss. We have many things to discuss because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it all. I love it. Kelly, You're

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Speaker 2: the coolest, by the way. It's so it's so fun

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Speaker 4: Oh thank you. It's my absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she's the real deal.

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Speaker 3: To be perfectly frank the podcast decide, I was just

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Speaker 2: I love it because you guys have been friends since

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Speaker 2: How old are we when needed Troop Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 4: I was eleven, so long time ago.

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Speaker 2: When you met. That was when you met for the

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Speaker 4: Then I think, I don't think we had nothing, and.

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Speaker 1: Then our lives just keep coming back around. And then

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Speaker 1: we both had pigs, and so when we rebonded over that,

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Speaker 1: it's just our lives keep coming full circle. So we're

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Speaker 4: You're meant to be in each other's lives. That's that's

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Speaker 4: the that's the takeaway.

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Speaker 2: Well, and Kelly, you've had such an amazing career as well,

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Speaker 2: So thank you.

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Speaker 3: Nice to see you well, thank you for thank you

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Speaker 3: for having me on and this was an absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 3: And Torri please text me I am around.

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Speaker 1: We'll text you, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you, Kelly, Bye

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Speaker 1: Guys, bye, Thank you,