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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left's podcast. Like

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Speaker 1: yesterday is Run the Jewels, Yes, Killing Mike and Healthy Black.

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Speaker 1: To have you here, Thank you to be here, man,

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Speaker 1: thank to be here. Okay, you guys met through the

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Speaker 1: Cartoon Network. Jason DeMarco at the Cartoon Network is a

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Speaker 1: mutual friend of both of ours, and he gave me

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to put out a solo record in conjunction

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Speaker 1: with their former label, William Street Record when they reactivated it.

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Speaker 1: And he said, essentially, I want this to be your

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do your mayor, because most wanted a record

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Speaker 1: where all you gotta do is be killing Mike, say

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say as many times as you

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Speaker 1: want to say it to whoever you want to say

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Speaker 1: it too. And originally was supposed to be three or

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Speaker 1: four different producers. I collaborated with Jamie and I spent

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Speaker 1: the day in the studio together and I told Jay

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Speaker 1: the thirty day campaign, aggravating the shoot out of Jamie

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Speaker 1: to do the record, and Jason um when found the

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Speaker 1: budget force and and it's a it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's love at first sound after that, and we've

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Speaker 1: been pounding the pavement together ever since. Well, let's go

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Speaker 1: a little bit slower. How did you know Jason from

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Speaker 1: the cartoon network? Jason is Atlanta is a small town

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Speaker 1: done something with These daya witch doctor who's who's also

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Speaker 1: of the Dungeon family. I kind of knew the William

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Speaker 1: Grand Hustle, And it was after I had separated from

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Speaker 1: Big Boy's Purple Ribbon label and I was rolling with

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Speaker 1: the TIA's label, Grand Hustle in my imprint grind Time.

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Speaker 1: That's why we were putting out Pledge three and the

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Speaker 1: other mixtapes and street albums. And Um, Jason, we knew

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Speaker 1: and we just kept in contact. We both had a

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Speaker 1: the next thing you know, I got a call would

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Speaker 1: you be interested in? And I accepted it. Jamie, how

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Speaker 1: did you how did you hook up with Jason? I

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Speaker 1: knew I knew Jay for years I had. I had

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Speaker 1: founded a record label called Deaf Jokes, which I ran

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Speaker 1: Definitive Jokes. It was it was Definitive Jokes after after death,

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Speaker 1: the joke. But but I I knew him because he

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Speaker 1: music for interstitial stuff on on Adult Swim, and we

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Speaker 1: we just built a relationship over the years. We just

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Speaker 1: became friends. Um, he's just a wonderful guy. And so

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Speaker 1: I had just sort of gotten familiar with my coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: take me out of you know, destitution I had. My

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Speaker 1: and it was always it was, you have to produce

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Speaker 1: In any event, Jamie, you wanted to do your solo

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think that it's it's just testimony

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Speaker 1: And I sort of just I liked Mike. I just

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Speaker 1: That came, that came. But we did the records. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike lives in hot Atlanta. When you say I'll come,

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Speaker 1: all of the stuff that I think is worthy of us,

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Speaker 1: sort of all the music that is worthy of us

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Speaker 1: to protecting my ass my assets literally and figured. Okay, Jamie,

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00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: you graduate from high school. What does your life look like?

431
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: I did not graduate from high school. Okay, well let's

432
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning. Your parents, your mother and father.

433
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: What were their lives looking like? My father and mother

434
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: UM split up when I was six. My father left

435
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: the state. UM, Me and my mother and my two sisters,

436
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: one of which was the child of my mother and

437
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: my father, the other which was the child of my

438
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: father who he left with us. UM who was my

439
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: sister as far as I was concerned, But she she wasn't.

440
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: She is UM my half sister, you know by blood

441
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: we moved to Brooklyn. Um and um, you know, saying,

442
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: well mom, household, three kids. Um, sort of moved around.

443
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: Some good years, some bad years. You know. My mother

444
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: was a writer. Um, she worked in advertising. Um and

445
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: uh I got yeah, I ended up getting kicked out

446
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: of high school. Um and you got kicked out of

447
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: high school? Why you know this day, I don't really know,

448
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: but I think it was because I was an asshole.

449
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Um, well, we've all been too high school,

450
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: and there are reasons to be an asshole, and we

451
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: all try to contain us. But then there are some

452
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 1: people who were just born to make trouble. Which which one?

453
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: Where do you fall on that spectrum? I think that

454
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of both, a little bit

455
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: of both. I think I was a little bit of

456
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: a smartass, for sure, But um I also had a

457
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a rough you know, uh go of it,

458
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: and I was angry. Um. You know, there have been

459
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: some things and you know whatever in my in my

460
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: childhood that probably lent themselves towards me being a little

461
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: bit more of a uh fuck you kind of kid.

462
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't. I thought I was smarter than

463
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: everybody in the whole school. I thought I was smarter

464
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: than the teachers and the staffs. Okay, okay, thirty thirty

465
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: years later, were you smarter than everybody in the whole school?

466
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. But what I will say is that when

467
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: I did get kicked out of school, and I had

468
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: the choice, but my mother was very specific. She said, Okay, well,

469
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: you're either going to become the type of person who

470
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: can do this, can do school and I have to

471
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: not being a problem, or you're going to figure out

472
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: some other thing that you're going to do, because you're

473
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: not going to just be some guy who just doesn't

474
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: do anything. And I told her at sixteen, I said

475
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: what every white mom wants to hear, which is I'm

476
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a rapper. And uh, mom, I'm going to

477
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: be a rapper. And and she and you know, she

478
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: knew that I was already making music. I mean, I

479
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: had already been making music and trying to make demos

480
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: and stuff since I was about twelve, and and so

481
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: wasn't how much was shocked to her, but I'm sure

482
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of one. But she she

483
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: what ultimately, ultimately what happened was I ended up getting

484
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: my g E. D. And I went to Musical Engineering

485
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: School at sixteen, which so Center for the Media Arts,

486
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: which was in Manhattan, right near F I T which

487
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: now no longer exists. Um and I was. I was

488
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: the youngest dude in that school. I mean, how did

489
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: you how did you pay for it? My mother paid

490
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: for it. My mother paid for it. Yeah, it was.

491
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: It was a two year course essentially, um and uh.

492
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: And you know, I was all of a sudden, I

493
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: was like I was a kid trying. I just wanted

494
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: to be in the studio. I just wanted to learn

495
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: what it was like to be in the studio. I

496
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to be a producer. I knew I

497
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: wanted to experience that. Um, I didn't know what else

498
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: to do. But once I got there, and I was

499
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: mostly surrounded by like five to thirty five year old

500
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: dudes who just kind of to be engineers, you know. Um.

501
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: But I was only there. I knew I was only

502
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: there just to learn some of the tools of the

503
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: trade and and then to go on to be a musician.

504
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: But once I got there, all of a sudden, all

505
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: of my disinterests, all of my um, you know, malaise

506
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: and disinterest in learning, UM and all of the things

507
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: that I just couldn't force myself to do. I was

508
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: really bad at making myself do things I didn't want

509
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: to do, and you know, school being the obvious result,

510
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: and UM that changed for me completely and all of

511
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, I was I was obsessed and excelled and

512
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: you know, UM so, you know, getting around music and

513
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: getting around the thing that I knew that I wanted

514
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: to do completely changed my life. By the time I

515
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: was able to go to college, I had gotten such

516
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: a high score on my g D that I had

517
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: basically gotten a free ride to a few different colleges

518
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: of New York that that I was able to um

519
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: pick from. Well, not a free ride, I gotta almost

520
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: free rode because there's a there's like a there's a

521
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: quotation of like, you know g D students that they

522
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: had to let into these schools. So I ended up

523
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: going to and I was at the top. So I

524
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: ended up going to Hunter College for you know, a

525
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: couple of semesters and it was just for me. I

526
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I was looking around and all

527
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I had been rejoined. I had rejoined

528
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: my age group and all of these kids who were

529
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: now getting in the in the college, and I'm standing

530
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, I don't, like, none of these

531
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: people know what they want to do. I already I'm

532
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: already doing what I want to do. I don't there's

533
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: no way that I want to know about this. I

534
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: don't want to take history right now. And uh, I

535
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: got put my first record out that you know. I

536
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: ended up putting my first record out at seventeen and

537
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: just being like, or eighteen, I didn't made it when

538
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: I was seventeen. That came out when I was a teen,

539
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: right around my first year of college. So I was

540
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not I'm not doing this. I'm a

541
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: rap star now. Okay, Deeples says, put school behind. When

542
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: do you make some money? I didn't really beg buddy

543
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: still until that I was living in in a loft

544
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: with by with with the other guy in the first

545
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: group that I had done called Company Flow, and we

546
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: were working at Tower Records mail order department on Lafayette

547
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: in New York. Okay, that begs the question how much

548
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: did you steal? I saw everything that wasn't sucking tied

549
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: down everything. Dude, you're the van for knowing that I've had, like,

550
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: straight up, let me tell you a story. So here's

551
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: the thing. So we worked in this fucking mail order department. Right,

552
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: there's two sections of the mail order department. There's the

553
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: mail order department in the front where you have to

554
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: wear shitty slacks and and and and and a wedding

555
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: shirt and then and you enter in the orders on

556
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: because before the Internet, of course, everyone got their records

557
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: from mail order and power records. Mail order was a

558
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: big deal in that Areena and so my so my

559
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: other partner, my my other partner in company Flow. But

560
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: one of you know who became my partner in that group,

561
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: he was in the front and he was wearing shitty

562
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: slacks in the shirt and he had access to the computers.

563
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: I was in the back with the work release program dudes,

564
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: where there was absolutely no there was no you know,

565
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: I just wasn't good enough to be in the front,

566
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: So I was in the back. So I was actually

567
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: boxing up the records. I'm personally responsible for sending out

568
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: probably ten thousand Bone Thugs and Harmony CDs to to

569
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: to to the Greater America. UM and we were working,

570
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: we were taking our money and we would you know,

571
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: pay our rent or whatever, and then we would at

572
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: night we would go to the studio and we would

573
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: record these songs. So around six when um we finally

574
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: got a record pressed up um with eight songs on it.

575
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: UM and it was because of a mistake at the

576
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: record pressing plant. It cost about half as much as

577
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: it was supposed to. And what we realized was if

578
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: you punching this into the computer, then I do this.

579
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: We can send all this ship out all across America

580
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: for free. So my first group, the first one that

581
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: put me on the map, that like made noise and

582
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: got me into the business. We fucking we we literally

583
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: did it all on the dime of power Mail Order Department.

584
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I sent out thousands of these records to DJs all

585
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: over the country overnight straight up to their like it was.

586
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was an amazing scam. And um yeah,

587
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: so kudas to you for understanding that anybody who worked

588
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: at Tire Records, you either either you were a life

589
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: long like loser forever, you know, or you were scamming

590
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: the place. And you know, absolutely, let's just go forward.

591
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: You said, you know, you get a dark spot before

592
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: you worked with Mike, where you were essentially broke? How

593
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: did that happen? So I never took any money. I

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: never took a salary or anything for this record label

595
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: that we did. You know, we did. We created this

596
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: record label. This was after my company Flow experience with

597
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Raucus Records, and I was kind of I and then

598
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: company Flow broke up and I was trying to figure

599
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: out my next move. I had fallen out of love

600
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: with the Raucus situation. I didn't think that they were

601
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: making the right moves, and I kind of felt like

602
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: I knew how to do it better. Of course, you know,

603
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I thought I knew how to do

604
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: it better, and I decided to start this record label.

605
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, ten years in, I still hadn't taken any money. Um,

606
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: I hadn't taken a salary. I hadn't taken I hadn't

607
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I had sold my own record you know,

608
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: I put my own records out on it a lot

609
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: with a lot of other lecords that did well on

610
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: an indie level. So and I did, and I had

611
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: a career. I was doing show so I made money

612
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: that way. But whenever the record label would hit a

613
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: rough spot. I would take my money that I had

614
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: and I would float the record label UM and this happened,

615
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: and then I would get it back. You know, a

616
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: couple of months, I get it back. We just need

617
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: to get a you know, a hunder grand. We need

618
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: a underground and that would be like all my money

619
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: that I had, and I'd put it in and I

620
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: hold my breath, and then the money will come back,

621
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, all right, cool, we lived to

622
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: fight another day. And we did this a bunch of times.

623
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: The last time that I did it, the money didn't

624
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: come back, and and the whole thing collapsed and we

625
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: we had. You know, what happened to us was what

626
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: happened to a lot of indie record labels UM historically,

627
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: and especially during the time in which the switch between

628
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: the dropping physical and the profitability of streaming and all

629
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: that was not leveled out. In other words, that we

630
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: went from one year, you went from hundred a hundred

631
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: thousands to the next year you you're sounding fifty thousand

632
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: records label wyy. And but you did so well with

633
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: a few records that you staffed up, You got bigger,

634
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: you got an office. You gotta fucking Xerox machine, you know.

635
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: And and you know, so we had a situation where

636
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: we had a lot of overhead and we weren't we weren't.

637
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: The physical had just been dropping, dropping and dropping, and

638
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, it just kind of collapsed out from under me.

639
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: Um and and I was you know, when I look

640
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: back on it now, I think it was probably the

641
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: best thing that it could have ever happened for me personally,

642
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: because I was miserable for a long time doing that.

643
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy doing it. I never wanted to be

644
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: a record label guy. I just wanted to make music.

645
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: I started a label because I thought it would be

646
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: a cool way to work with people that I liked

647
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: and put music out that I thought was good without

648
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: having an audition it for the greater masses, you know,

649
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: just say, hey, this is interesting, listen to it. But

650
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: that's what happened. I just got I just lost my money.

651
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: And where are you hundred k? That's a lot of money.

652
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Where'd you get a hundred k my royalties and touring?

653
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, I would I would just save my money

654
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and and and I you know, I had I had

655
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: give or take. You know, you know that probably at

656
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: the end that was probably that was all the money

657
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: I had in the world. And um, but I had

658
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: a good touring career, an indie touring career, but you know,

659
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: and also we we did really well with my records.

660
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: Um and for an indie label comparatively or overhead was

661
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: really low obviously for you know, compared to like a

662
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: major label or something. So when the operation was small

663
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: and tight, I was making some money. And then the

664
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: operation on the backs of those records that started to

665
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of get really big exposure and bow up, we

666
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: started to get bigger. We started to add more people

667
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: and more weight to the to the whole thing. And

668
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: then it started to kind of be like, I'm not

669
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: making I don't have a record label because I'm making records.

670
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm making records because I have a record label, like

671
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, And that wasn't what I wanted to do.

672
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: It was very unhappy for me, and so I you know,

673
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: I got myself into a situation where I lost it all.

674
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have two fucking pennies in my pocket for

675
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: a minute, and um that that that was a tough

676
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: period for me. But you know, I had I had

677
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: been broke before. You know, I guess you know, when

678
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: you start to make a little bit of money, you

679
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: can forget what it's like to not have it. Um,

680
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: And for me, money was never to be. I never

681
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: had the type of money that I could buy things.

682
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I had the type of money where I could pay rent.

683
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Worried about it. You know, that was cool. That was

684
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: my success and so in all classed underneath. And by

685
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: the time Mike met me, UM, I had gone through

686
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: all that. I had been humbled, a lot of relationships

687
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of things, and a lot of just

688
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: sort of self regard that I had in relation to

689
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: me not failing had had hit me. I had failed.

690
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: There was no there was no getting around it. It was.

691
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: It was gone. And I didn't know what I was

692
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna do. I had a lot of I had a

693
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: lot of um fear. And for the first time insecurity,

694
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, from sixteen on, I knew what I was

695
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna do, and I didn't know one had ever told

696
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: me I wasn't gonna do it. And I did it,

697
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and I went out and I made it happen. And

698
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: here I was, however, many years later, and for the

699
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: first time that thought it occurred to me, this, this

700
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: might not work now I might be, I might be

701
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: over and and and then I got the deal for

702
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: for the new solo record through Fat Possum Records, which

703
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: changed everything for me because I um, I had a

704
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: little bit of money and I finally again and I

705
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: could you know, I could get an apartment that was

706
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: you know that I could live in and and and

707
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: that's it might meant me. Not long after that, to

708
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: be honest, I was. I was right sort of starting

709
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: that process of rebuilding myself, like refocused and being like,

710
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: all right, I'm getting a second chance. I'm gonna I'm

711
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it right this time, and I'm gonna do

712
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. And then I met Mike

713
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: and everything all my all my plans changed. Okay, let's

714
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: go back to Mike. So, Mike, how old you when

715
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: you get married? Honestly, my wife and I have been

716
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: married fourteen years this year, so it's thirty one years old. Okay,

717
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: So you were estopped if you were making money when

718
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: you got married, Uh, yeah, but I wasn't. So I

719
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: got a major label deal first. Um was big Boy

720
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: andre Um originally on Eric Quim and I Records, and

721
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: I think he got like an eighties, was an advanced

722
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: or whatnot? I already had two children at that point,

723
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: in the third one coming, so a thirty one year old.

724
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Just just so I understand you had the children before

725
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: you got married. Yeah, okay. How old were you when

726
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: you had your first child? Nineteen years old? Okay? How

727
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: the fund do you support? That kid? Oh? You sell

728
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: the marijuana? I said, you're you established the marijuana industry

729
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: that now corporations run. That's uh. You and you make

730
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: good grades in school. That's okay. So the woman you're

731
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: married to now your wife? How many of the kids

732
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: is she the mother? We came as a package deal. Okay.

733
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: She came without many and you came without many. Yeah,

734
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: we cat you know, we I brought all the kids.

735
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Me and the kids came like, hey, dad loves you.

736
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Why don't you marry us? And there are five kids?

737
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: You said, therefore, therefore, my wife tells people she has

738
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: five children, including her husband. I get that. Let's go

739
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: back to the muscle car thing. So when do you

740
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: get into muscle cars? Oh? What have I not been

741
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: in the muscle cars? So when I was when I

742
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: was young, Um, my grandpa and grandma raised me. So

743
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: my wife helped me realize I grew up rich, and

744
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I always thought rich meant money,

745
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: but rich really means experiences an opportunity. So my grandparents, Um,

746
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: they kept the rental house, they owned the RV. They

747
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: did old people ship, you know what I mean. We

748
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: went on vacations, we fished, we hunted, we did old

749
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: Southern people stuff that I didn't realize that the rest

750
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: of the world didn't do. But one of those things

751
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: was my grandfather believed in me having stuff that went fast.

752
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: So he bought an old gold card and motor scooter

753
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: from like the white guys he worked with. He worked

754
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: in the brickyard Chattahoochee brick It was one of the

755
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: more famous brick yards in Georgia. And I remember him

756
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: bringing an orange gold card home and taking the old

757
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: motor off and putting up plowd motor on it. So

758
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: a plow motor is what she used to till the ground,

759
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: or when you have a garden in a garden in

760
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: the backyard. But I think this one might have been

761
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: like either like four or five, four or six horsepower,

762
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: and he tweaked it a little and make it a

763
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: little faster. So by the time we finished building that

764
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: thing and I was sipping up and down the church

765
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: parking lot. Next we got a Honda Spree. I remember

766
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: he got me the scooter and it was one of

767
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: the lights were bent. We had to bend it back.

768
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: He caught me trying to get on the Expressway at

769
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: twelve years old, that with that Honda's free. I remember

770
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: him just I remember, like literally from to get on

771
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: the express I finally get to go fifty five and

772
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: him like, god, damn it, what a man. I can

773
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: hear him from them, just like, oh ship. I looked

774
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: across the street and it was him. He made me

775
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: take it back home, and he didn't let me drive

776
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: it for like a month, but he let me borrow um.

777
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: And I don't even think I had a license, you know.

778
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Oh people don't give a ship you can drive, you

779
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: can drive. Let me. He let me borrow. When I

780
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: got my learners and his Plymouth Vlaire which wasn't very

781
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: fads but it was four doors. It was a car

782
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: and Kesha Wilcox and it was a bench seat. She

783
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: kissed me um, and it was after that I was

784
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: just like, yo, I'm into this car. Thing, and next

785
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: my grandma let me drive her Regal. But all my

786
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: cousins had very fast cars. They had our rocks. My

787
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: mom had a Firebird, my my I have a bio

788
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: and a non bio dad. My bio dad, Big Mike,

789
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: he drove a muscle car. He drove a Camaro. My

790
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: non bio dad drove a four Galaxy five hundred. He

791
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: had a chiveil. So I grew up in and I

792
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: grew up going to drag strips and seeing races. And

793
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: my grandpa ran shine. So he liked um, he liked contiacts. Um,

794
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: he was into like the g T O s. He

795
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: was into. He taught me to the pontiact. Judge was right. Now,

796
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: I got a sixty nine Firebird. My wife has a

797
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: sixty eight fire Bird. Yeah. Yeah, the Firebird with the

798
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: uh the hood word Ramsey ran exactly exactly, so we

799
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: all you know, I got I got l S three's,

800
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: I got a l S seven in mine, I got

801
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: LS three and her. So I just like going fast,

802
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, I like going right? Okay, that but that

803
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: does beg How many cars are you on right now?

804
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: I think I'm about tenants twelve? Okay, do you own

805
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: a Tesla. No, I never would. No, you've been in

806
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: a Tesla ass right, Yeah. I like the Tesla truck.

807
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: Let me see this, not I've got very specific You

808
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: like to go fast, do we know? I like the

809
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: smell of gaseline and and oxygen mixing too. That's the

810
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: only thing about a Tesla's you don't get the You

811
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: don't get the raw smell of fuel burning. You don't

812
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: get the subtle nuances like but I like them. I

813
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: like the Tesla truck enough to buy, But I have

814
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: not been captivated enough by Tesla car that I want

815
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: to own. I already put my order in for the

816
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Tesla truck. By the way, i'd like to say that. Okay, wait,

817
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: let's stay with the truck. You guys got past the

818
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: how it looks. Yeah, yeah, you understand that, Bob. I'm

819
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: not gonna miss out on my generation's DeLorean. Okay. It's

820
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: the most ridiculous looking thing in the world, and I'm

821
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: absolutely buying a ship. But I grew up on traum

822
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, things like that's like the low the low

823
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: polygon shape. Yeah, that's that's taps right into my general

824
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: How about you, Mike, who me the shape of the

825
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: Tesla truck. The Tesla truck. What's crazy is I honestly

826
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: think if you if you it, there's a car. I

827
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: gotta remember that popped in my head the other day.

828
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: I said, this son of a bitch elon musk It

829
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: it is an eighties car of some type. It may

830
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: even be the DeLorean turned backwards. So if you look

831
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: at the Tesla truck, the front of it is the

832
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: ass of a DeLorean. But if you turn it backwards.

833
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just it just looks like at any

834
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: moment it's gonna turn into a Transformer. So I like

835
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: it for the novelty. So but I drive with that said,

836
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: my wife bought me a FOURD f to fifty super

837
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: duty diesel for for my birthday. So again, man, I'm

838
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: just a believer in Bernard fossil fuels, those dining staurs that.

839
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: But I want to be specific. I drive a fossil

840
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: fuel car myself. Yeah, but being in people's testlas, the

841
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: acceleration is mind blowing crazy crazy. Yeah, no idea has

842
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: a Tesla. But it's it's there's a certain there's a

843
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 1: certain danger that you miss. Like I like the test flat,

844
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: it's it pulls fast. I like the fact that you

845
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: could don't have to drive it. You could get stone,

846
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna sleep and wake up in your home. The problem

847
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: is driving my hellcat. Death is always next to me.

848
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: The fact that the fact that I'm seven hundred and

849
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: seven horse a hunted and I think I've gotten her

850
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: up to a hundred and sixty four mile an hour

851
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: on the regular street. The fact that I know this

852
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: could be the moment to die, so me make sure

853
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: you're listening to good music. That that danger. I'm missing

854
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: a Tesla. It's kind of like driving a Vovo. It's

855
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: it's just you're safe. Zack Zack dell Rocha has a

856
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Testla act and riding around in his Tetla, I don't.

857
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: I rarely feel like I'm on a roller coaster. And

858
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: when I'm in a car, like going from gero to

859
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: sixty and however quickly that happens in a Tesla act,

860
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: it's that ship feels dangerous. I have to admit I

861
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: know it. I think so too. You know, I don't know.

862
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: And it's silent. It's just a battery, you know. Okay, Okay,

863
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: let's go back to Mike and you're talking to the

864
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: LS three, the L seven, etcetera. But what do we know?

865
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: The American cars are good in the street line, yeah,

866
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: and the European The European cars he handled, generally speaking better.

867
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: So is this a religious issue? It must be American? No.

868
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: I I tell people I like American muscling, like German performance.

869
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: So for my fiftieth birthday, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm

870
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: gonna get it. I'm gonna get that Porsche. I'm gonna

871
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do when you're old. I

872
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: get that, get to get a quarter million dollar Porsche.

873
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: My wife, My wife, My wife drives. I bought her

874
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: and that's five fifty that I drive like a fucking

875
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: race car. Absolutely love. I wanted her to get to

876
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: sixty three and as sixty five, and she was like

877
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Um So I'm a I'm a big fan

878
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: of German cars. I'm a big fan of the performance

879
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: she's I remember she had a little she had to

880
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: m him four or five BMW. But I drove that

881
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: god damn car like a race car. In fact, she

882
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: had a Honda Accord V six that I drove on

883
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: an everyday basis, just because I liked the acceleration of it.

884
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: So no, it's not it's not American or nothing for me.

885
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: But if someone's putting two cars on the headstone or

886
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: a couple of companies, it's probably definitely gonna be Chevrolet

887
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: and Mercedes bench through me. Okay, let's go to Let's

888
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: go to Dodge, Let's go to the hell cap. How

889
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: long do the tires last? I go through about it?

890
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: I spent about two a month on top of go

891
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: through about a new set about every thirty forty five days,

892
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: every thirty or forty five days. Yeah, if I don't

893
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: buy a pair of new ties a month, I just

894
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: then drive a car a lot. Okay, let's go to you, Jamie.

895
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: Mike is known as be very political. Are you political

896
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: or did Mike make you political? Or you're more a

897
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: political I'm just not as I'm just not as out

898
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: there as Mike is in terms of actually literally being

899
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: in the political spectrum. But I think that if you

900
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: look back at my career in my catalog, and what

901
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I've been talking about is very consistent with what I

902
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: do now, which is that I absolutely have been talking

903
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: about um sort of macro political perspective stuff. Um, for sure,

904
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: we just have a different um tack in the way

905
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: that we approach it. And I really like Mike's tack.

906
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: I really it's really cool to know, to be down

907
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: with some Mike. What I'll tell you. I'll tell you

908
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: what Mike did do for me, because when me and

909
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: Mike met, we one of the things that we bonded

910
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: on was that we had a very similar perspective political perspective,

911
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: and that we had that we shared a few really

912
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: fundamental ideas about the power structure in this world and

913
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: about the abuses that that that come out of it,

914
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: um and And there are a lot of differences in

915
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: approach and experience in the way that we've looked at

916
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: things UM and that translated in the way that we

917
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: do what we do. I guess I've in records I

918
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: am mostly philosophical about it, where it might tends to

919
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: be very direct about it, and he gets you know, UM,

920
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: but I think that we've discovered that together those perspectives

921
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: work really well. Often, like you know, I'm I'm, I

922
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: end up being macro and and and sort of um

923
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: philosophical about the relationship between you know, people and the

924
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: power structures that are and Mike gets into it UM

925
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: from a sort of feed on the ground level, and

926
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: it's made these it's it's kind of given us this

927
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: really cool thing that neither of us had when we

928
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: were making our music separately. But yes, I've been political

929
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: in my perspective, but what Mike did for me in

930
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: terms of literal politics in the sense that UM, well,

931
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: a few things. But but it's really nice to know

932
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: somebody who's who has genuinely been involved on on the

933
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: technical level of politics. You know. For for for my life,

934
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: it has never been about that. It's always been about

935
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: my perspective. It's always been about what I read. It's

936
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: always been about what I've seen, and so always been

937
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: about how I felt about things. It hasn't necessarily been

938
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: about UM. It hasn't been like Mike, where Mike is

939
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: literally stumping for a presidential candidate. That's not where I

940
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: have been and that's not where I leaned towards UM.

941
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: So that's the answer to that question. But you know,

942
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: there's the thing that worked with me and Mike was

943
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: that we both did have long histories of writing about

944
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: the dynamics of power and and that was something that

945
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: we could find um uh common ground and in terms

946
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: of making songs together because it's something that we both

947
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: want to express and we just had our different ways

948
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: of doing it. I really like the fact that I

949
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: have might to balance me out, and I think that

950
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: it works both ways a bit, you know. Um Yeah, Okay, Mike,

951
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all you wanted. I thought he wanted

952
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: for me, Bob, than the answer to the question we

953
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: go do with? You know, it's not like nor am

954
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: I but I'm over here ordering a Tesla truck. What's

955
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: the final number gonna be on that Tesla truck? They

956
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: got it? The one I liked about sixty nine or

957
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: probably costs about eighty. Is there a rebateing Georgia on

958
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: electric cars? Yeah? That I think. I think they finally

959
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: I think we finally got progressive enough to do that.

960
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: I think we got u They got the best parking

961
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: spots at all the fancy malls now, so there has

962
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: to be some type of rebated rich people are buying

963
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: them like that. Okay, Mike, let's say, as he seems

964
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: to be saying, Trump does not leave office, what happens, Well,

965
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: one or two things happens. Either we comply on the

966
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: tyranny or we do what the founding forefathers of this

967
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: country did, and we rebelled against it. It's it's not

968
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: a not as hard, you know, it's not very difficult.

969
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: The question is will we comply with tyranny or will

970
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: we do what the principles of this nation require us

971
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: to do? And that's um, you know, that's resists here

972
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: and he had all costs. Well, what would that look like? Well,

973
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what it will look like. Um. On

974
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: one hand, it could look like all workers refusing to

975
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: produce or go into work and halting the country. On

976
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: another hand, it could mean all consumers refused to participate

977
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: in anything except food consumption or medicine buying. In the

978
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, we could mean the dire use of

979
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: our Second Amendment rights and taking up farms versus the government.

980
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: That's one that I don't wish to see, but I

981
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: think that we should exhaust every means and measure before that.

982
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: But I do believe in protecting that right since that's

983
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of what got us here. Well, if we look

984
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: at George Floyd six months ago, there was spontaneous combustion, Okay,

985
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: there were there we since Ferguson, there was heat etcetera.

986
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: And it unexpectedly happened and then it spread it really

987
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: around the world. Well, it's always it's always happening. I

988
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: think that as important as a as a former activist

989
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: and always advocate, it's important to note that this is

990
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: always happening. In when the Los Angeles riots happening, rioting

991
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: happened nationwide, didn't happen everywhere, but it happened in major

992
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: hot spots. There were stuff popped up in Houston, Louisiana, Atlanta.

993
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I write it personally as a high school student. Right,

994
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: we went to the foot lockers, sooking, we get some

995
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: mair Force ones in their Jordan's you know, we did

996
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: what what you did. When you compress pain and anguish

997
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: and anxiety, it does explode. So I don't, you know,

998
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that, um, the sponineity we

999
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: should be surprised by it, because people do a lot

1000
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: to kind of try to stay in line and believe

1001
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: that that that the that the ark of the universe

1002
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: bench towards justice, even when it feels like it doesn't. Um,

1003
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: you know, but I just and and okay, a couple

1004
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: of things and you can jump in here Jamie too.

1005
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: If you want, yes, I hear you that they were

1006
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: writing another place, uh writing demonstrating. They were demonstrating in

1007
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: Idaho trying. Let me tell you the most beautiful thing

1008
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: I saw, The most beautiful thing I saw because a

1009
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand that the Rainbow Coalition is

1010
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: something we've always heard Jesse Jackson talk about and it's

1011
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: been an abstract thing. But the Rainbow Coalition was started,

1012
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: was started, was started by Fred Hampton, twenty one year

1013
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: old christ like figure, amazing organizing educator in the Black

1014
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: Panther Party and the Check Illinois Chapter and um. The

1015
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Rainbow Coalition brought everyone together, poor people, gay people, white people,

1016
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: and Native people, um Asian people. It was for all

1017
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: of us. The most beautiful I saw things I saw

1018
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: doing all these demonstrations riots were when Amish protesters showed up.

1019
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: When I saw the Amish show up, I literally wanted

1020
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: to say to the State of America, shame on you.

1021
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: These are probably the most enclosed, insulated people in these

1022
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: United States. And for them to show up on the

1023
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: behalf of a black man being killed by an agent

1024
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: of the state shows you that the propaganda that everything

1025
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: is okay it's bullshit. When the Amish, the fucking Amish,

1026
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: pop up buggies and horses and told, I imagine to

1027
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: say enough is enough. We as a country should know, Okay,

1028
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: we're sucking up. We need to reset this ship. Because

1029
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: they like the Amish, got big screen TVs watching, got

1030
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: d M, CNN every night. They got the word through

1031
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: a bird, you know what I mean. So I was

1032
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: really I would like to thank the Amish community and

1033
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: the Mennonite community out of Ohio, which one of my

1034
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: mentors is. But they have been amazing in this fight,

1035
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: protracted and and even in the short term, just them

1036
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: showing up has been an amazing thing. Okay, you're well

1037
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: known as a Bernie Sanders supporter. Bernie came very close in.

1038
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: I was a Warren person until she blew herself up

1039
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: on the healthcare and I was a Bernie person. I

1040
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: like Bernie, who I certainly voted for in the primary

1041
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. Why did it not happen for Bernie? Two questions?

1042
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: Why did it generally not happen forgetting that the everybody

1043
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: coalescent dropped out and conspired with Biden, But why did

1044
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: the youth not come out? Well, the the youth. The

1045
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: youth I want to come out. They did come out,

1046
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: um in places that they felt heard and seen. I

1047
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: think that the South is I know that the South

1048
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: is fifty black. I wish that the Sanders campaign after

1049
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: would have kept representatives in South Carolina in particular, and

1050
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: in places like Georgia where they could have where we

1051
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: could flit the state. I wish that they would have

1052
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: worked the next three and a half four years, people

1053
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: like um Nina Turner, other people that were notable, like

1054
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: Cordell West, people that were a part of his campaign.

1055
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: Um my brother mar reached out in Georgia that ended up,

1056
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, not coming back. I wish that they had

1057
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: had an opportunity or I wish this campaign would have

1058
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: understood the importance of three and three and a half

1059
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: years of relationship building because in the South we tend

1060
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: to be total line Democrats, because Democrats and the federal

1061
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: government have been the safe haven amidst some of the

1062
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: most dire racism and bigotry through legislation that you've ever seen.

1063
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: And it's very hard to trust the greater good, even

1064
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: though you know it's the greater good, when you have

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Speaker 1: only been able to depend on one particular party and

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00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: the federal government even more so than your local municipalities.

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00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: So when that party says fall in line, your leadership

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00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: tends to fall in line, and they tend to ask

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00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: of you to fall in line, simply because even though

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00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: you are what Bernie Sanders campaign was exactly what black

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00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: people have asked for. It was exactly what the doctor

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00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: King campaign of his last two years has said that

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Speaker 1: we needed, including but not limited to once not being

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00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: pro reparations, saying that he would be willing to sign

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: the HR forty reparations bill to study reparations like Commers

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00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: had tried to get past this nine including that that

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00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: would have happened. But to be honest, it's just fear.

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: There's fear mongering on both sides. Donald Trump is trying

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00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: to win an election right now under law and order.

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00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: If that's not one of the most fascist statements I've

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00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: ever heard, I don't know what is law in order

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00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: to think about that. Law and order over humanity, law

1083
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: and order over over over basic morality in this country,

1084
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: law and order over your rights. It is equivalent to

1085
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: see in the Seattle police officer ride over the head

1086
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: of a protester that's that's painted on a bicycle. So

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00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, with Sanders, I think that in the South,

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00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: we could have had a better strategy or the campaign

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00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: could have had a better strategy for how to get

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00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: to know Mr Sanders better and how to get to

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00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: know him more. I feel like they found or they

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00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: made a caricature of him. The National Democratic Party, I think,

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00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: and I think that there was some nefarious things that

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00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: happened on the ground which I saw personally in terms

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00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: of the national part of the undermining him. And I

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00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: think that um and even in his absence, though locally

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00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: he won. If you look at a place like Atlanta, Hartston,

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Georgia had a guy named Mayor Ted who was progressive

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00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: enough to decriminalize marijuana before Atlanta, the Cab County or

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00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: any of those other counties with black leadership and a

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00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: majority black vote. Ted is now taking a six commissioned

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00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: seat in the Cab County, one of the more powerful

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00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: seats there. He was the only candidate in the local

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00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: elections that I publicly endorsed. He won his candidacy, and

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00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: we're going to see that that county, which is a

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: soldad county, become an even more progressive County now under

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00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: the leadership of Michael Thurman, the CEO there, who's a

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: brother I like a lot, and Paple like Mayor Ted.

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00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: So ultimately, I think Sanders did not lose because if

1110
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: you look at it around the around the country now

1111
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm seeing more progressives get elected. But I wish I

1112
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: could have seen him take fellow office and be the

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: President of the United States. Okay, let's just snap our

1114
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: fingers and Biden his president. That's a huge snap. But

1115
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: for the sake of this conversation, now, Okay, as someone

1116
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: who supported Sanders, if Biden's in there much better than Trump,

1117
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: and I will vote for Biden. But are the problems,

1118
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: the endemic problems of this country really going to be addressed? No, no,

1119
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: not unless we pushed the line. And the reason I

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00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: say that is the endemic problems in this country are

1121
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: not going to be addressed because we've allowed lobbyists and

1122
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: money um to corrupt the political class for over a

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00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: hundred years, and at some point we're going to have

1124
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: to take stock of that. There is there is there

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00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: is trepidation that we move with as the people who

1126
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: pay our taxes, that we shouldn't move with. We should

1127
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: be bold in our moves. I met with the governor

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Speaker 1: of Georgia UM a couple of weeks ago. Some people

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: were encouraged by that, some people were not. Didn't matter

1130
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: to me much. I pay my taxes in the state

1131
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: of Georgia. I'm going to talk to the leader because

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00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: I think that there are things that this state that

1133
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: used to better help my community. So no matter who

1134
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: becomes president, we must be prepared to push the line

1135
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: out of my meeting, seventy young black men out of

1136
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: my zip CO and women are going to be able

1137
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: to get a free trade school education. Out of my

1138
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: meeting with the governor who's Republican. That meeting, I get

1139
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: to talk to and help form a campaign that's gonna

1140
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: make your working class and poor kids get an opportunity

1141
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: to go to trade school because they aren't doing an

1142
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: effective job of talking to those And that happens out

1143
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: of that So and in matters of you know, what

1144
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: happens with Joe is like, what are we gonna push

1145
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: the Democrats in the Democratic Party to do if we

1146
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: flipped Georgia. We have more black legislators than any other

1147
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: state under under an old Gold Dome. But our legislation

1148
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: doesn't look like that. So we have to start to

1149
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: radically redefine how we do politics in this country. We

1150
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: have to bring politics back down to a very local

1151
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: and statewide level. We have to stop allowing big money

1152
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: to Trump, you know, contended the interests of the working

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00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: classman and woman in this country, or we're going to

1154
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: give this country to the one percent for the rest

1155
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: of its existence. And we're gonna have to contend with

1156
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: the fact that we allowed that to happen on our watch,

1157
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: and we don't have to. You have to be more

1158
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: politically active than just voting. And I'm not saying that

1159
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: from a place on high as a celebrity that's smoking

1160
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: weed and going to strip clubs. I'm saying that as

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: the five year child next to a woman from Tuskegee, Alabama,

1162
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: who drugged me to every political campaign from Carter to

1163
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: Reagan to versus Reagan to Mondale, versus Reagan to do Cacusa.

1164
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: But like I remember virtually every local campaign because my

1165
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: grandmother made sure I was there. And I'm thinking that

1166
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: we need a resurgence of that type of local fire.

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: It isn't about how many less celebrities can do a

1168
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: drop and say come out. It's about that one lady

1169
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: that's making sure nine other people get to the polls.

1170
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: How are we gonna help her? How are we going

1171
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: to make sure there's a van there for them in

1172
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: sandwiches and they got orange use and they don't have

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00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: to stand in line for six hours. Those are the

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00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: things we're gonna have to do to truly hold whoever

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00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: is president accountable, because if we don't, we've just given

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: this country over to the people that pay. Okay, both

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Speaker 1: of you. In today's world, the internet rules. And if

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00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: you go to Spotify, which is the largest streaming service,

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: and you' of the Spotify top fifty dominated by hip hop. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and as much as African Americans adopt hip hop culture,

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01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: it's astounding how many whites adopt hip hop culture. You know,

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: I grew up in an era where you literally could

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01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: see in the sixties who were the Republicans. How do

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: you explain that these people are fans of hip hop

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01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: yet they vote for Trump. Cognitive dissonance, I think is

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: what there's other words they're looking for. You know, um,

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't understand it personally, but I think that you're

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01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: just also contending with the fact that hip hop is

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: just that good, it's just that dominant, it's just that exciting,

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01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: it's just become that ubiquitous, you know. I mean, it

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01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: is the last uh you know, great um art form

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: created in music that that you can that you can

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: point to and say, this is new, this is a force.

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean, me and Mike grew up in a time

1195
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: where just telling people, just telling anyone over the age

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Speaker 1: of thirty that you were going to be a rapper

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Speaker 1: or do or be involved in hip hop music, you

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: had to get the pre records in lecture about how

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Speaker 1: it's just a fad, kid, it's just a fad like disco.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I was there. I saw it. You know,

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01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: there was in We Gone in the year you know. So,

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01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I almost think that to

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: some degree, it's it's it's a question that is rooted

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: a little bit in the idea that it's still a

1205
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: surprise that hip hop is as such a dominant force

1206
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: in music as it is. But you know the truth

1207
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: is that we also contend with that. You know, we

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01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: have people kind of you know, there are people that

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: said us like, you know, I love I love you guys,

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: but I don't agree with any your politics and it's

1211
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: just like wow, you know, you know, and your already

1212
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: response to that is like it's like, well a, thanks

1213
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: for the love and be I'm willing, I'm I'm okay

1214
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: for you to go listen to the music a little closer,

1215
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: and uh, it's okay with me if you change your

1216
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: mind there nobody UM not a big deal. We're pretty

1217
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: secure in our ship. So okay, let's talk about hip

1218
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Speaker 1: hop in general. You know, when pip hip hops really

1219
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: started to gain uh mainstream traction, there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of samples, most of them not cleared, and there were

1221
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: a lot of lawsuits and a lot of issue and

1222
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: then we went to beat creation and for the last

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01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm teen years, we have the eight O eight, which

1224
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: I remembers being innovative in the eighties. What do you

1225
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: two guys think about? And it's a big field, but

1226
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: the general state of hip hop man um as a

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: producer who started off just doing what everyone else is

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: else did with hip hop us is just trying and

1229
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: find a cool roof and wrap over because you were

1230
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: a kid and nothing mattered and you never had a

1231
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: shot of making any money off of it anyway. And

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01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: it was literally just a hobby, like someone would be

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01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: drawing a picture in their bedroom, um, you know, uh

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: to to then becoming a producer and putting records out

1235
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: that now years later I've had to re release because

1236
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: they were on streaming and I had to go back

1237
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: and clean up some of the sample, clear stuff or whatever,

1238
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's interesting there's this intersection

1239
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: where spontaneity and creativity and then the reality of business,

1240
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: you know meat. But I think that um, you know,

1241
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: one thing that hip hop music and people who are

1242
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: involved in hip hop music has always been have always

1243
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: been a dept at it is um adapting um. And

1244
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: And you know, the point is is that is not

1245
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: about the point is not that all we have to sample.

1246
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: The point is not all we have to have money

1247
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: in order to afford to make music. The point is

1248
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: that we want to create music. Now. Hip hop sampling

1249
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: started because people didn't because Reagan cut the the arts

1250
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: funding in you know, in America, and all of a sudden,

1251
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: no one had any music classes, and people who wanted

1252
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: to be musicians, who were poor didn't have any access

1253
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: to music, and so they created music based on what

1254
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: was around in their living room, and the mother had

1255
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: a turntable, and they learned how to, you know, play

1256
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: with that and make that into something that they can

1257
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: make music with. And so it's invention and it's always

1258
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: going to be that um and so, you know, I

1259
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: think the state of hip hop personally is an amazing place,

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01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: especially because of how huge it is and how many

1261
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: different ways there are now to approach it. Me and

1262
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: Mike came up at a time when everywhere every hip

1263
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: hop record that came out was a new advancement in

1264
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: the way that you could do it. Every time it

1265
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: came out, you ran. And this is why me and

1266
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: my bond we didn't grow up in the same city,

1267
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: but we were the same age, and we didn't grow

1268
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: up in the same community, but we were the same

1269
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: a level of obsessed with the music. And so every

1270
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: time a record came out, being Public Enemy came out,

1271
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: the BDP came out, you know, you know, all of

1272
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: these things. Every time you heard a new record, it

1273
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: was not only a new way to do hip hop music,

1274
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: but it was literally a new way to do music.

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: And that's what's always been so exciting about hip hop

1276
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: is that it's so young, it's so fresh. It's absolutely

1277
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: writing its rules as it goes, and then that and

1278
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: those rules end up getting reflected for decades back on

1279
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. I mean, you really consider

1280
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: how pop music and how pop culture has been has

1281
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: has been a reflection of what has been happening and

1282
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: what was the one point considered the small little community

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01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: of musicians. It's incredible. You can't go on the radio

1284
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: and listen to an R and B song without seeing

1285
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: the connection to hip hop music. It cannot happen anymore.

1286
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: I remember when R and B records started to incorporate

1287
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: elements of hip hop. It was exciting. Now it's almost

1288
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: like you're interested to hear somebody like singing R and

1289
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: B record if they would put it on the radio

1290
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: if there weren't hip hop elements in the you know, okay,

1291
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: but let's flip the glass to half empty. There's certainly

1292
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: a lot of beefs in the hip hop world and

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01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: their beasts against people like Little YACHTI and I don't

1294
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say is you know there

1295
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: are people say, oh, it's too simplistic. You know, on

1296
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: one extreme we have Kendrick and the other one, what

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: do you guys view about that hip hop, the hip

1298
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: to the hippity hip hip. Him, you don't talk, you know,

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: you know you're talking to two dudes who don't have

1300
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: that perspective. You're not, We don't have that perspective. Like

1301
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: the way that I look at it. Man, anything someone

1302
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: who's young and excited about music wants to do that's

1303
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: funky that people like thumbs up, you know what I mean? Like,

1304
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: and I think that there's an old guard perspective. I

1305
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of people who come out of it.

1306
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's something that in me and Mike's generation,

1307
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: it's very common for people who are our as to

1308
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,479
Speaker 1: be pretty fucking bitner about what the company. Well, well

1309
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: it's coming from your city, I will say. Coming from

1310
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: my region, it's not as common Bunby, is that Yeah? Yeah, Like,

1311
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: like I gotta say, in the South, sampling was important

1312
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: from the South for this reason. My mother when she

1313
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: left to marry my non bio dad, she left me

1314
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: with the record collection. Right, so I five six years old,

1315
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: you got just your mom's your mom's sucking one. She

1316
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even It's more of a big sister little brother relationship.

1317
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: She teaches me how to put records on. I get

1318
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: to play the Osley Brothers, Curtis Mayfield, Willie Hutch. I'm

1319
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: playing these records and hip hop introduces my friends to

1320
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: these sounds that I now can tell my friends, Oh yeah,

1321
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: that's Oza Hayes. Let me let you listen to it

1322
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: after school. So Sampling, I just want to tell older

1323
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: musicians that didn't appreciate what Sampling brought because they were

1324
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: being robbed. They had been robbed by their record companies.

1325
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: We didn't understand that even after samples had to get clear,

1326
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: the money didn't go to the artist. Where does serve

1327
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: to go? It went to the people who owned the

1328
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: artist publishing. That's the greatest evil of it. So you know,

1329
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: not only do you have now an artists, it's like

1330
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: this little motherfucker ripped my ship. Then it's like, not

1331
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: only did he do it, now that he's getting paid,

1332
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: the motherfucker who ripped me off originally is getting paid.

1333
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: But Curtis Mayfield mentored outcast and what he taught outcasts

1334
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: and organized, nor he mentor organized a little bit slower. Literally,

1335
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,879
Speaker 1: how did Curtis Mayfield uh mentor outcast? Not outcast directly,

1336
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: but organized noise. Who are the mentors and the founders

1337
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: of the sound of the Dungeon family, Patrick Brown, Ray Murray,

1338
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: Enrico Wade. These guys were working out of Mayfield Studio.

1339
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: They were working with when they were working with people

1340
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: like pimps and people um there were ex pimps that

1341
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: got into music and stuff. It really was a black

1342
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: waitation film. But he taught them that sampling, however, was good.

1343
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: That you could create the same vibe, you could create

1344
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: the same feeling. So when you listen to players ball,

1345
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: you're not listening to a sample as much as you're

1346
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: listening to someone that captured the feeling of what the

1347
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: black exquotation era and what that soul in that funk was.

1348
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: So sampling was important. But sampling in the South is

1349
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: radically different from Tennessee. Houston. Tennessee is more of a

1350
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: Willie Hug bop that three S has. If you're listening

1351
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: to say Houston music, you're listening to more of a

1352
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: slow down, a screwed, a more soulfl version. In Atlanta

1353
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: and Miami, at one point we're just fast like bouti Cheq.

1354
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: So sampling was important because to me it helped me

1355
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: understand what musicians were doing what before me. The reason

1356
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: I know Bob changed, the reason I know colonelist month.

1357
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: The reason I know this is because Sampling introduced me.

1358
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: I got the chance to look and see where it

1359
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: came from and in terms of how people view younger artists. Now,

1360
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: my thing with hip hop is just like what you like,

1361
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: because the beautiful thing about hip hop is there's always

1362
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: been everything for everybody. You know, people talk shit about

1363
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: how soft hip hop has gotten. Motherfucker p m Don

1364
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: was jamming. That's just a break, you know what I'm saying.

1365
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: And even though I was one to look no, kids

1366
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: kept trying to front on that ship at the school

1367
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: dance when that ship came on and cool J I

1368
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: need love songs of all time. But it was Llo

1369
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: cool J and he was hardest. It's hardest. It was

1370
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: incredible exactly. So for me, yeah, I don't shoot on

1371
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: the little kids. It's mental interesting you mentioned y'all. Y'alllly's

1372
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: father went to the same high school. He's older than me,

1373
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: but he's a prominent photographer in Atlanta. Um. He's just

1374
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: a great brother. So I've known Yadi since he was

1375
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 1: miles like little beautiful, awesome child Moles And the dopest

1376
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: thing about him is he's true to himself, and that's

1377
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: why he found audience. He found audience because my kids

1378
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: did not grow up with the same experience as me.

1379
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: So n w A hits my kids, even if they

1380
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: like it in a totally different way than it hit me.

1381
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: At twil the cops kicked my fucking ass. So fuk

1382
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: the police meant something different than when my my daughter,

1383
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: who's you know? Here's it now? It's a radically different

1384
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: reasons he writes it, But she understands the concept because

1385
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: of what she sees on television. Daddy understood the concept

1386
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: because the cops kicks Daddy's ass. I think that. I

1387
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: think that also when you get when when you find

1388
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: yourself getting a little bit older and you get that

1389
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: crossroads where you start um instinctively being a little bit

1390
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: bitter about whatever the new music is, you have to

1391
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: have a come to Jesus moment and ask yourself, Am

1392
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: I a music fan or a I nostalgic for the

1393
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: things that made me feel something at a time in

1394
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: which I was really feeling things? Are you still feeling things?

1395
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: Is it wrong that there are things out there that

1396
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: you're not feeling. Does that make those things inferior? Me

1397
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: and Mike are pretty clear about the fact that once

1398
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: you start thinking in that way, you're starting to get old.

1399
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think that I don't think that that's

1400
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: the right way to look at things and listen. I

1401
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: would also like to point out real quickly on the

1402
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: production level and on the sampling issue or the sampling conversation,

1403
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: this was again necessity. These are musicians trying to express themselves,

1404
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: and there and there I have. Now we've gone pretty

1405
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: far through hip hop production, and what you have are

1406
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: and have emerged throughout it where different schools of approach,

1407
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: different schools of different types of sampling. I was sampling

1408
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: records really from the jump, but when I really started

1409
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: to get in my own and become known as a

1410
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: producer for having a sound, my approach to sampling was

1411
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: very different in the sense that I wasn't just looping records.

1412
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: I was using the sampler as my my, my, my paints.

1413
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, Um, a sound became another sound. Um. You know.

1414
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: Hip hop is one of the first forms of music

1415
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: production in which you could turn something else into a baseline.

1416
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: You could turn something that was not supposed to be

1417
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: a guitar into a guitar. You could take recordings that

1418
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: were recorded in different studios and different errors by different

1419
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: people and smash them together and use a snare from

1420
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: one session and a kick from another session. It was

1421
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: collage art. It was mashing it all together, and it

1422
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: was beautiful and beyond all that. It takes real fucking

1423
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: creativity and real genius to turn that into something that

1424
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: is yours, and it has been the beginning point for

1425
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot of producers that have ended up affecting the

1426
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: world of music in a huge fucking way. So you know,

1427
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: I always um, you know, I always understood and was

1428
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: aware of the perspectives on it. But it's like, look, man,

1429
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: I was a kid when I was stealing. Now I'm

1430
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: a fucking musician, you know. Now I'm a musician. Like

1431
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: I needed to I needed training wheels. But now with

1432
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: me and Mike sample, now it's on purpose. It's like,

1433
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna do We did that with runn

1434
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: Jewels four. We were like, we're gonna sample. We're gonna

1435
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: just clearly sample, not just a little hidden things that

1436
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: are sprinkled about what you do and you're hiding. As

1437
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: part of the fun event, We're gonna loop some ship up,

1438
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: like as an homage to that part of what we

1439
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: love about hip hop music. Because it's time. It felt

1440
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: like there was time to references honorably and be like,

1441
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: we are doing this. It just so happens that me

1442
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: and Mike could this time afford to do it. You know.

1443
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: But it's an art, okay, So what's the dream for

1444
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,480
Speaker 1: Run the Jewels? On some level, you're living the dream.

1445
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: You're making your art, You're making some money. But are

1446
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: you satisfied where you are? Do you want something in

1447
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: the future? What is your desire? It would be nice

1448
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: to do a show again, That would be fucking nice, Bob.

1449
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: We're all we're all laboring under those constructs. But in

1450
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: terms of quel let me let me put it in

1451
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: a different way. Okay. In the sixties in the eighties,

1452
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: there was a mono culture. There's an AM radio in

1453
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: the sixties, and there was MTV in the eighties, and

1454
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: if you were a successful record, literally everybody in America

1455
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: knew that record, whether they liked it or not, because

1456
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: they were exposed to it. Today today, you can take

1457
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: the number one record on Spotify and of Americans never

1458
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: even heard it, never mind how a judgment. So usually

1459
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: an artist, their number one goal is to reach more people. So,

1460
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, artistically, in career wise, what are the desires

1461
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: of you guys personally? And I'll just say this and

1462
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: I'll have my answer. But that was never my goal. Um.

1463
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: It was always welcomed. It was always something that I

1464
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: wanted on some level, because that's what being an artist is.

1465
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: You want people to see what you do. Um. But

1466
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: my goal is to do what I love to do

1467
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: unhindered and to continue to be able to do it

1468
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: without without having an answer to anybody about it and um,

1469
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: and to continue to extract joy from it and and

1470
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I love the idea of us being

1471
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 1: exposed to more people. And it has happened. It's happened

1472
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: for us in a big way. Um, you know, and

1473
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: that's amazing. The things that I love about it though,

1474
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: that we didn't change ourselves to get there, and by

1475
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: the time we finally get there, it was just us

1476
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: and there was we We lost our opportunity to be

1477
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: the assholes who have overnight successful long time ago. You know,

1478
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: I always I always lament that, like damn if I had,

1479
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: if I had gotten money, you know, and blew up

1480
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: when I was first starting, I you know, I could

1481
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: have been such an asshole. But it's a little too

1482
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: late for us. Man. We're we're we're just kind of

1483
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: who we are. And we were happy playing five person

1484
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: rooms because we were we were we were doing it

1485
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: on our turns. We loved each other, we loved the energy.

1486
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: It was fun and it was and we were able

1487
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: to sustain ourselves to keep doing it. And neither of

1488
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: us want to work a fucking day job, that's for sure.

1489
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: But in all honesty, not the fucking this is not

1490
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: the like the the you know, this is not the

1491
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: pseudo humble ship. In all honestly, all I ever wanted

1492
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: was to get the chance to do creative stuff on

1493
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: any level that I wanted to do. I think that

1494
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: me and might have a lot of things that we

1495
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: want to do together as creative partners, like a movie.

1496
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: We're we're working on what we're working on doing a movie.

1497
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: We want to get into that realm um, and you know,

1498
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 1: and but really just the ability to make music and

1499
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: keep doing what I love and not have to answer

1500
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: two assholes about it, um, not have to ask permission.

1501
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: And um, that's it, that's that's I'll die happy. Then

1502
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: I'll die happy if I could pay the rent make

1503
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: my weird ass music. I'm good, Mike, I'm minute for

1504
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: a hunt a million of better. Okay, but let's stop. Okay,

1505
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 1: let's just say tomorrow, tomorrow, will you lose your voice permanently?

1506
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: You got enough money to get to the end. Well,

1507
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: I live. I live at a means that I have

1508
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: the things that I've always wanted. So you're hearing me

1509
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: tell a joke I say about I have friends. I

1510
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: have three friends, now have two friends, now have three

1511
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: that are that are white folk rich. So in the South,

1512
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: you here, hey man, I'm need ro rich, you know,

1513
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: white folk rich. So I need grow rich, meaning I

1514
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: have enough to to to to to make it for

1515
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: the rest of my natural days, because I have invested

1516
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: in some enterprises that, in addition to music, provide away

1517
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: from me that doesn't you know, including to real estate,

1518
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: things that my wife did, barbershops, some other cool stuff.

1519
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: So and I live adam below the means that I've

1520
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: always thought was cool. I I could have bought a

1521
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: million and a half dollar house. I have a five

1522
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,879
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar house. I could have moved to North Fulton,

1523
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: where the athletes who slam Dumpton run balls live. I

1524
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: live in South Fulton, where all the black retirees who

1525
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: are secretly millionaires live. You know what I mean. So

1526
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: it's I made the decisions my grandparents would have made,

1527
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: but for me. I'm not working for me at this point.

1528
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: I have children and my my my life has been

1529
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: under financial darrest because I chose to have children out

1530
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: of wetlock. And it does not mean in a bad way.

1531
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: That just means I've had to work with the knowledge

1532
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: of whatever I make while I'm here, it's going to

1533
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: be left or not left to someone, depending on the

1534
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: decisions I make. And I want to leave my children

1535
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: more than sneakers and muscle cars, just like my great

1536
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: grandparents who were sharecroppers and the children of people who

1537
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,799
Speaker 1: were enslaved, left the farm that my family still profits

1538
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: from the day we all got a little five hundred

1539
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 1: dollar check from the timber company that grows timber on

1540
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: our land. I want to be able to win my

1541
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: absence for for for Malik and the Naya and Pony

1542
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: and Mikey's children, to say my grandfather. He sang, and

1543
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: he danced, He went in the Rock and Roll Hall

1544
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: of Fame. He left an incredible musical legacy. But more

1545
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: than that, he made sure that we each had a

1546
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: trust so that we didn't have to do things that

1547
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: were morally objective to out the way we were raised

1548
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: in order to pay for our school or for for

1549
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: our own children. I just want to do what my

1550
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: great grandparents did, and that's leaves something for them. So

1551
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: I am not satisfied with enough. And and I don't

1552
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: mean that I don't have enough because I'm not looking

1553
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: for a new house. I'm not trying to buy a

1554
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: new car, except for that test of truck you put

1555
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: me on. But what I but what I am going

1556
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: to make sure is that whichever one of my children

1557
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, or all of them have grandchildren, that something

1558
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: from all this singing and dancing is going to give

1559
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: them an advance and stabilization, because, to be honest with you,

1560
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: people who look like me in this country have not

1561
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: had that. My wife Um really helped me realize how

1562
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: fortunate I am and how fortunate she is. My wife,

1563
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: her father is from the Gecheon Gala community. Her father

1564
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: is from Hilton Head Island. Her grandfather just received God

1565
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: Bless the Dead an award from the gechean Gala community

1566
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,480
Speaker 1: there because he was one of the areg just landowners,

1567
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: had family, had commerce, and his family you can see

1568
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: on that side of her family is much tighter. They're

1569
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: much more stable, the children are more affluent and and

1570
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: and we're able. But she grew up in Savannah with

1571
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: her mother's family who was who was not as fortunate,

1572
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: but they had a lot of love and care. But

1573
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: my wife has really helped me to understand the importance

1574
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: of what economics means in the family. So as for me,

1575
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: in my half of Rue of the Jewels, I not

1576
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: only am having the time of my life, I have

1577
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: the greatest job on earth. I am always have to

1578
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: think with the perspective that, Michael, what you do today

1579
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: it's going to matter to people with your last name

1580
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: in fifty and sixty years, some who you may not see.

1581
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: So take the care of your ship and don't suck

1582
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: it up on drugs and strip clubs. Okay, but you

1583
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: mentioned the record, by the way, I'll take a hundred

1584
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: million to Yeah, yeah, that's we're gonna get that. My

1585
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: next question, how you get. How do you plan to

1586
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: get a hundred million? Well, you get, you get a

1587
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: hundred million magic, Johnson said, it takes the same amount

1588
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: of time to do a hundred million dollar deals a

1589
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: million allar deal. And we're the same group. We we

1590
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: We didn't go into this album like, man, we're gonna

1591
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: make more money. We went into this album like we're

1592
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna top ourselves and we're gonna show our audience we

1593
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: can keep evolving, and um, if that works out cool

1594
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: and we play bigger shows, that will be cooler for

1595
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: us financially too. And that's what happened about proxy. We

1596
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: want to be the best we can possibly be, and

1597
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: by proxy, um in this cool system of making music,

1598
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: and if people enjoy it they buy ship from you,

1599
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: that equaled more money. But I can honestly say that, Um,

1600
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: the goal is always to be the best run the jewels.

1601
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: And what I do think we have to our advantage

1602
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: is we're honest and pure and our intentions. We love

1603
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: making music together. I honestly think we were born to

1604
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: make music together. And we just got a bunch of

1605
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: cool lass artistic people who follow us, who collaborate with us,

1606
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: who help us think things through, and I think that

1607
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: art um like Dolly, like Picasso, like henryoso our Tanner.

1608
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: I think that art has value to the human soul

1609
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: and spirit. So my hope is that we can keep

1610
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: creating art, both musically and visually in film and television,

1611
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 1: and that can be what we have offered to the culture,

1612
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: to this country, this worldwide culture of hip hop and music.

1613
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: And I hope that that value. Like bands I've loved,

1614
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: including led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath and Grateful Dead, n W,

1615
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: A Public Enemy, ice Cube, I hope that our value

1616
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: holds over the long term because of what we bring in,

1617
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: the inspiration we bring through. Dami, you're gonna say something, No,

1618
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean everything he's saying is exactly how I feel.

1619
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: And you know for me, you know, I've always only

1620
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: been happy when I've been allowed to create. Okay, But

1621
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: let's say you're in you're in the studio, Okay. Do

1622
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: you consciously say I want to create a hit. Let

1623
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: me define this. Doesn't that, that doesn't mean it's that

1624
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: does not mean it's number one on the chart. Do

1625
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,480
Speaker 1: you want to create something so good that it spreads

1626
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: because people can't get enough? Is that in your brain?

1627
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: It'll feel it. Yea, yes, but it's a different context.

1628
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 1: We want to create something. We want to create something

1629
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 1: that we know motherfucker's who feel like us are gonna

1630
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: have to smile and nod their head to no matter what,

1631
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: no matter if they've ever heard us and not. We

1632
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: know that there's something magical about the music that we

1633
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: love that if you get it right, it will put

1634
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: a fucking smile on somebody's face. And we do want

1635
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: to do that, or it will put a or put

1636
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: a thought into somebody's head. Yes, we want to make

1637
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: the most banging, undeniable music possible, But the hit word

1638
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: never comes into it. They hit own. It's only because A,

1639
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: we're too fu smart to know. We're too fu smart, Bob.

1640
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: We know we're not making hit. That's not that's not

1641
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: what Run the Jewels does. A hit for us, it's

1642
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: something that gets played on the radio. That's rare for us.

1643
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: We have we have some songs that are now getting

1644
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: played on the radio. But you know, for us, we

1645
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: want to make uh something that's undeniable and something that

1646
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: we can walk out of the studio and be like

1647
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck you. This is you know, like if

1648
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: you don't like it, fine, but we put everything we

1649
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: had into it. And you know now, but we don't

1650
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: think that. We don't think in terms of hit. We

1651
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: know who we are, what we're doing, and what I've

1652
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: been doing all my life, hopefully, and what I bring

1653
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: to the group, hopefully is engaging in the age old

1654
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 1: craft of making albums and trying to make real records

1655
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: that tying into each other and make real moments on

1656
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: records that are not looked at at sectioned off into

1657
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: little singles and they're not thought about in any terms

1658
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: that are economic, but that the first track in the

1659
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: last track relate to each other, and there's a point

1660
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: to it. And we want to make art. Me and Mike,

1661
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: we're both visual artists, were both you know, when we

1662
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 1: were kids. I wasn't probably as good as my we

1663
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: we we We were both avid comic book readers. We

1664
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,839
Speaker 1: were both art fans. We're both movie heads. We were

1665
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: obsessed with art our whole lives. I just happened to

1666
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: be from the generation of people that still really wants

1667
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: to make a cohesive thing that starts from beginning to

1668
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: end and has a point and has a relationship internally

1669
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: to itself. I want to make this art. This art

1670
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,879
Speaker 1: is my life. So in answering your other question again,

1671
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: what I would say is that all I really want

1672
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: is to get the chance to create things, and it

1673
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 1: is to get the chance to spread my wings. Is

1674
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: actually fit if I want to direct the movie someday,

1675
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: I want to be in a position where what I'm

1676
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: doing is successful enough to allow me that leeway to

1677
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: write and direct the movie. Um, this is what my

1678
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: whole life has has has only been. And that's the

1679
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid who didn't. I did not have

1680
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: any fucking plan. B I just didn't. I walked right

1681
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: I I out of high school. It was a failure,

1682
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: and it was like, this is all I'm all in,

1683
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: This is all this is all I have. So of

1684
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: course I want to you know, I'm a fucking you know,

1685
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking man in this world. Of course I

1686
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: want to find actual security. But that doesn't play into

1687
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: us when we're in the studio, because the only thing

1688
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: that's ever been successful for us has us been completely

1689
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: ignoring all that ship and going directly with what our

1690
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: heart is about this music. That's it, that's the only

1691
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,759
Speaker 1: reason why we're here. How was that of voters. Voters

1692
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: rally at t I S Trap Music Museum and we

1693
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: have a we have a business partnership around a fifty

1694
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: yard restaurant that we we we have a food truck

1695
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: run around promoter now called banc At Seafood. And I

1696
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: was I was talked. We were backstage before we walked

1697
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: out and just gave people, you know, the fire up

1698
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: to get out, make sure they get out and vote um.

1699
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: And it was like, what you're doing. I was like, yo,

1700
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm listening to my album, um, getting getting my

1701
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: memorization tightened up because we're gonna have to performance. And

1702
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: he was like, you memorize the whole album. I was like, well,

1703
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: I say, how do I explain this? I say, so, look, Um,

1704
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: you make a lot of money when you do shows

1705
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: because you have hit records. You have records that people say, man,

1706
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: I was at the prom making love to this record.

1707
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: I say, you got records that are burning the people's

1708
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: memory for the rest of their lives because you got it.

1709
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: And he looks at me like, yeah, that's natural. And

1710
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: I say, well, I make a bunch of money performing

1711
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: because I make albums that people experience life with with

1712
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that album I say, so that gives me the value

1713
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: of having a hit, So I probably are never gonna

1714
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: have you can you can have whatever you like. But

1715
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: I got run to jewels too. We vote just irrupted

1716
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 1: laughter because I'm like, that's how we play festivals, and

1717
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: that's why we tour so much, because we don't go

1718
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,759
Speaker 1: to make the hit, because don't play yourself chasing something.

1719
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 1: Realize what type of your what your strength is. Dennis

1720
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: Robbins one of the greatest basketball players on earth because

1721
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: he knew that if I play defense to to the

1722
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: to the tilt better than anyone else, and I get

1723
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: this ball in the hand of those shooters, I'm going

1724
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: to play. My part of this team is gonna win championships.

1725
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Jamie and I understand that we are the last vestiges

1726
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: in hip hop um one of the last that are

1727
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: is prepared to give you a full musical experience in

1728
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: a way that that you don't have to in hip hop.

1729
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: To be very frank with you, you can have hit records,

1730
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: you could drop them, You can do that for twenty

1731
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: thirty years, but there's something about completing that record. There's

1732
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: something about following a group that takes you through that art.

1733
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: It pulls you back again and again. It is the

1734
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: reason I love Outcast. It is the reason I love

1735
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Tribe Call Quest. It is the reason I love Gang Star.

1736
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: It is the reason I love you g K. If

1737
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: you haven't listened to you g K Ryan, Dirty, Miss

1738
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: get Stoned as Fun Bob and you g CA's riding

1739
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Dirty because all the skits were done by Smoked, who

1740
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: was in jail. So he's he's talking you. You're hearing

1741
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: a real occurrence, like so those are the things to

1742
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: me Scarface Records. When you will hear j Prince talk

1743
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning and end of the records, it was

1744
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: like going to the play as a kid. You hear

1745
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: that order, you set the scene for you just like

1746
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: uh yeah, back again and for the next hour, I

1747
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: just didn't give a ship what was happening outside of

1748
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: my room. So for for us, the hit is the

1749
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: record at giving you that full thirty forty fifty minute

1750
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: experience of cohesiveness and tapestry of the goods, the bads,

1751
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 1: the wins, the losses. It's you know, it's almost cliche

1752
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: to say a movie on audio, but it is a

1753
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: theatric experience on audio, and and that's what you try

1754
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: to master again and again and again. And you are

1755
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: talking to two guys who put who put every single

1756
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: record out, but we also give it away for free.

1757
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: So if we were completely obsessed with oh yeah, with money.

1758
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: Actually I want to I want to get to that,

1759
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: but I want to stop one spot before because you're

1760
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: talking about movies, Mike, what did you learn about doing

1761
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 1: your Netflix show man? What I learned was it's not easy,

1762
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: all right, So television not easy. Anybody can't just get

1763
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: on TV and be a star, no matter how cares

1764
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 1: attic you are. I don't want to work for sixteen

1765
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: hour days anymore unless um the money is life changing,

1766
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,480
Speaker 1: but the show of life changing. So I have no regrets.

1767
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: I learned that, Um did I have a talent for television,

1768
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: and you're more likely than not gonna see me on

1769
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: television a lot more if I have anything to do

1770
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: with it. Um. I have loved hip hop and television

1771
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: since I was a child. Um, And unlike working four

1772
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: or five hours at UPS or AutoZone, I could work

1773
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: sixteen or twenty hours and wouldn't flinch. I would love it,

1774
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: and I would hate every minute I was doing anything

1775
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: that was not artistic and creative by way of music

1776
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: or television, and I'm absolutely obsessed with doing more of it. Okay,

1777
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: what did you literally learn from doing the show? I

1778
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: learned that people are always going to well, not always.

1779
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I learned that celebrity is probably the most powerful piece

1780
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: of propaganda, um in this country. On the last episode,

1781
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: there was a young woman who was just more qualified

1782
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: to lead than me. She had worked with the people,

1783
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 1: she had walked amongst them. She knew the issues and

1784
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: the concerns and the campaigns that they wanted waged, and

1785
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: they still voted for me at the end because the

1786
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: perception was it was my show. The perception was I

1787
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: had more money, and the perception was that I was

1788
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: more popular. Um. That's when, on a Marie micro level,

1789
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I understood what's happening in this country now. Um. The

1790
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: reason that we have someone who's potentially a tiring or

1791
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: despot in this country is because over the last thirty years,

1792
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: they they crafted him. Um or he's he's been in

1793
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: your living room via WWF wrestling, via his own television shows.

1794
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: He's one of the most mentioned people in rap songs. UM.

1795
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: So I learned the power of celebrity and and and

1796
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: which makes me far more cautious was how I use

1797
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 1: it and who I stand next to um, Because celebrity

1798
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,879
Speaker 1: can be the most powerful piece of propaganda the capitalistic society,

1799
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: and it could lead us all down hallways. I don't

1800
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: think you need to go Okay, let's go back to

1801
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 1: the records. In terms of your income file, how much

1802
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: comes from recordings, how much you know you know before

1803
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: this crazy pandemic stuff, how much comes to recording, how

1804
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: much comes from live, how much comes from merch or

1805
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,440
Speaker 1: if you have another revenue stream. I would sly live first.

1806
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Live has traditionally been one of the biggest sources of

1807
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: gonna come for us. I mean, we've toured obsessively like

1808
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: a rock band. When we got the chance to tour

1809
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: for a year and a half straight, we toured for

1810
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: a year and half straight, and damn there fucking broke

1811
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: our spirits. But we were we we knew that this

1812
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: was a rare opportunity that people still wanted us to

1813
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: tour even a year and a half after our records.

1814
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: We we've we've got in a reputation for our live

1815
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: show and then has catapulted us up into the upper

1816
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: Aschlans where our font size has grown from. You have

1817
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: to have a magnifying glass too. It's at the top,

1818
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, And that's an amazing thing to accomplish for us. Traditionally,

1819
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: that's really been where we made the money. And I

1820
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 1: think that we have we have a lot of we

1821
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 1: and we and we do well with merch and we

1822
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:03,480
Speaker 1: do well with licensing. We get a lot of licensing.

1823
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: People love our music for film and tv UM, which

1824
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: has been amazing for us UM. And I think that

1825
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: one of the one of the calculations that we made

1826
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: originally was when we did this, was it was sort

1827
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: of not a genuine calculation, but it was more of

1828
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 1: a spiritual calculation where we were like, well, let's give

1829
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: this ship away for free because we don't have any

1830
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: money behind us. Let's see if we can get the

1831
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: hearts in the minds of people because the music is

1832
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: going to react. Uh, they're going to react to the

1833
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: music in a positive way. We didn't know what was

1834
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: gonna happen. We just thought it was a gesture. We

1835
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: figured we want to have a relationship with people, so

1836
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: let's see if we don't put a wall between them

1837
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: and and having this music. If someone doesn't have to

1838
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: have a subscription to some streaming service, or if someone

1839
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 1: can't afford something that they don't know about, they're probably

1840
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: not going to buy it. Um. So we put it

1841
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: out there for free, and we assumed correctly that if

1842
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: people liked it, we get the chance to perform, and

1843
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: if people came to the show, then we can make

1844
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 1: a living and we could sell some merch And it

1845
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: was kind of as as as complicated as a god

1846
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: when we first started. We just didn't know what was

1847
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: gonna happen. We've been very lucky. We've we've got the

1848
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: chance to do a lot of business based around this

1849
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: and still maintain our ability to to adhere to that

1850
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: principle of giving people something. And our thought behind that is, look,

1851
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: we want your heart and your mind. We want to

1852
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: earn um. We want to earn this and and when

1853
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 1: we do earn it, when you do finally spend that

1854
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: buck with us. We wanted to be because you just

1855
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: decided you had to. You like these guys, you like

1856
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: this music, You're gonna spend this book because you got

1857
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 1: the chance to think about it. It didn't we didn't

1858
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: trick you into buying an album because we had one

1859
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: hot single, here's the fucking album. And when we first

1860
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: started that ship, when we would go to distribute distribution

1861
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: companies or labels or whatever, they looked at us like,

1862
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: we were fucking crazy, what are you talking about. You're

1863
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: not going to give the record away for free? And

1864
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: we said, no, actually, we are doing that, and if

1865
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: you'd like to, you know, get a business with us,

1866
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: you can do that too. But time we got around

1867
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: a run until three, everybody was like, so, we're giving

1868
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: it away for free, right, you know, you know, and

1869
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, we're gonna give it away for free.

1870
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Minute now, give us this check, you know, and you know,

1871
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 1: so it's been a very organic approach to us. You know,

1872
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: it's been a leap of faith the whole time. Um.

1873
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: And the one thing that we knew was that if

1874
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: we you know, going back to the shell thing, you know,

1875
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: like we fucking work our asses off to de great

1876
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 1: performers and the kid pit shows, and and that is

1877
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: something that we take really seriously because we knew it

1878
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,480
Speaker 1: was one of the only things that at our disposal

1879
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: that we could really control that levels the playing field.

1880
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 1: We we we never had a ship hunt of money

1881
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: behind us. We never had a ship to the promotion

1882
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: behind us, but you were not going to see a

1883
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: show like you're gonna see when you see our show.

1884
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: This is we are in a different category on purpose,

1885
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 1: We're in a different category of performance when it comes

1886
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 1: to you know, the ship around us. Not to say

1887
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: we're the best performers in the world and no one

1888
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: else is. Every there's amazing performers out there. We just

1889
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: knew that we wanted to if we got that chance

1890
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: to get in front of people, that we were going

1891
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: to give them an experience that where they knew we

1892
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: were taking a ship seriously, like he goes are Michael

1893
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Jackson kicks though, I think for a big I think

1894
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I think that that's what really pushed us over the edge. Yeah, okay,

1895
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 1: just staying on that same tip, Kanye has been on

1896
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: wild about the traditional major label business. And you know,

1897
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: the unfortunate thing with Kanye is he's literally ill, irrelevant.

1898
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's bipolar. Anybody who's dealt with him, you

1899
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: know he's not the usual customer. Shall I say, is

1900
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: this something you see as a side show for you

1901
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: that you were doing your own thing, or is this

1902
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: something you have of you point on, just because you're

1903
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 1: ill doesn't mean you're dumb. No. I first, he's brilliant. Yeah,

1904
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 1: so I love me just as a son of a

1905
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: manic depressed My mother was brilliant. But like you say,

1906
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 1: it could be, it could be, it could be a

1907
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: little madness around the brilliance. But Jamie has had an

1908
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: answer um over the years that that makes so much sense.

1909
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's really in whatever works best for you. Now,

1910
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: you know it's wrong to trick artists how the masters

1911
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 1: and publishing, and think what's wrong for us not to

1912
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: share some some of mastering to be able to control

1913
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: if it's wrong the trick artists out of publishing, which

1914
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: we know happened in the thirties, forties, fifties, sixty, seventies, eighties.

1915
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, we know that. But it's also you know,

1916
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: once educated and once you know, once people know certain deals,

1917
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's it's gonna be you

1918
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: to decide. Jamie and I could have did bigger deals

1919
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: than the big deal we did. We chose to remain

1920
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: and keep some of our autonomy, so we took less

1921
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: of things in order to be more of us. Because

1922
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: once you marriage and married, and it's hard to get

1923
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: out of a marriage, you know what I mean. So, UM,

1924
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 1: I respect his words, like in terms of I don't

1925
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 1: have any say on whether I'm arguing for against or

1926
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: what them, but I respect someone who says something and

1927
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: then the next day says, I'm giving Artist of Theirs back,

1928
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: because that's beyond saying that's doing. Everything Kanye is saying

1929
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: is right, It's just it's caught up in the history

1930
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 1: of everything else he's doing, like running for president, and said, yeah,

1931
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:22,759
Speaker 1: but he's doing it also, Darren lasted difference, lasts of difference,

1932
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, like the correction Mike, he's not saying and

1933
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't like talking about other people because it always

1934
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: becomes sensationalized. But what he's actually saying and people are

1935
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: interpreting and is like he's giving them fifty back. What

1936
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 1: he's saying is I'm giving them my steak exactly. Yeah,

1937
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna saying he's not giving my fifty that

1938
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,759
Speaker 1: all I'm giving them what I get. Yeah, And you know, hey,

1939
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: great listen. You know for us, you know I think that, Um,

1940
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: we walk into everything with our eyes open and we're

1941
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: very deliberate about what we're doing, you know, business wise,

1942
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: and and like he said, we made our decision based

1943
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 1: on what we believe we need in terms of autonomy.

1944
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: For instance, um, we could have had you know, there

1945
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: are different deals that we could have taken, but what

1946
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: we wanted was to do a deal where we didn't

1947
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,839
Speaker 1: know someone more than one record. That was very important

1948
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: to us. UM. That came out of a lot of

1949
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: experience over the years, and that came out of us

1950
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: understanding the importance of being able to bargain and also

1951
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: the importance of being able to hold the people that

1952
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 1: you're working with to some sort of standard. I think

1953
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:29,759
Speaker 1: that it is a mistake for people to get into

1954
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: um my personal thought is that it was a mistake

1955
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 1: for us. I'm not able to say people it's a mistake.

1956
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: It was. It would be a mistake for us to

1957
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: get into some long protracted contractual thing with anybody who

1958
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: we don't know are going to go to bad for us.

1959
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: And if you do go to bad for us, you

1960
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: get rewarded with a relationship. And we're very you know,

1961
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: we're very real about that. UM. So I think that

1962
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: um uh. For me and Mike, we look at everything

1963
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: and just us everything in every mood that we make

1964
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: really as a part of how we see what are

1965
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: what we want our options to be. Um, it can

1966
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: be restricted because it doesn't mean that you don't It

1967
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: means that we're not going out there and getting you know,

1968
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: you know several you know, like you know, we're not

1969
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 1: going out there and getting a fifteen million dollar recording

1970
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: contract because we don't want you, um, we don't want

1971
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: to give away in the next four albums, you know. Um. Okay,

1972
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: So you two guys, you make a lot of money

1973
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 1: from going on the road. There's a long history of

1974
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: African Americans on the road and racism and even white

1975
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 1: people who have traveled with African Americans. You're sort of

1976
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: a unique act. There are other multiracial acts, but in

1977
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: your particular case, there's only two guys. Do you guys

1978
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: experience racism? I'm talking about you. I know, I know, Mom,

1979
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: I know, Michael say general there's racing on the road

1980
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: and you know and Jamie are there are times you

1981
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: say that people people will talk to you as a

1982
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: poe us to talk to Mike, or they'll treat you differently. No, No,

1983
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't quite noticed that But what I

1984
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: have noticed is that there's this there's this thing that

1985
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: there's this dynamic between me and Mike that that puts

1986
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: people in this awkward position because what a lot of

1987
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 1: people want to ask us, but they can't because they're

1988
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: too conflicted and constricted in themselves. And we've called people

1989
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: out on it and been like just to ask man

1990
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 1: just had what we do experience as this multi racial

1991
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: group of friends who go out on the road, is

1992
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: that when we talk to people, people just want to ask,

1993
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 1: how is it possible that your friends, uh, you know?

1994
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: And they just don't. They just want to know they

1995
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: they don't know because they don't have that same experience.

1996
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York City. I grew up

1997
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: in a very multicultural in New York City. Um it

1998
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 1: was um and I I thought New York was it

1999
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 1: was like a micro causem of the world when I

2000
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 1: was when I was a kid, I just assume that

2001
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 1: because I grew up in New York that that I

2002
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 1: that I knew how the world worked, and I prepared

2003
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: me for going everywhere. And you know that I prepared

2004
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 1: me for getting everywhere. And what I realized I didn't

2005
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 1: really get to see America. Until I started touring, I

2006
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: didn't get you know, and I started touring in my

2007
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,679
Speaker 1: early pointies, I didn't get to see. I didn't know

2008
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 1: that not only was what I said wrong, but it

2009
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 1: was actually in verse. And actually growing up in New

2010
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 1: York was one of the biggest handicaps you could ever

2011
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 1: fucking have when it comes to the Greater America. And

2012
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I was shocked to see the And yes there had

2013
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 1: I have been in situations where people that I was

2014
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 1: with who were black, or people that I was with

2015
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 1: who were Asian, or people that UM had It's like

2016
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: right in front of my face. Absolutely experienced crazy, like

2017
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: crazy ship like you know, very obvious racism for sure.

2018
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: I think that me and Mike were were at what

2019
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: we experienced is more like a discomfort in people who

2020
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, want to get to the bottom of this thing,

2021
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: like they talked to us and you know, and they're

2022
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: just like they want so desperately to ask the question,

2023
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: like I don't you know, I'm just to say I

2024
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's like it's cool, man, we get that

2025
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 1: it's cool. You can say it just as just ask,

2026
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, But that particular scenario that you're describing where

2027
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 1: like I'm getting treated well and Mike isn't getting treated

2028
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: well because to my knowledge, I don't remember that we

2029
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 1: directly encountered that very obviously, but maybe Mike can illuminate

2030
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 1: me to that you have a prospective on this life

2031
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 1: perspect I'm a black man, just you know, you see

2032
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: this ship everywhere, so it's like, but it's it's not.

2033
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 1: I grew up in the South, So I took my

2034
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: wife to the Florida Panhandle a few weeks back, and

2035
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 1: we grow through George, Alabama, and Florida, and every state

2036
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: had still has their version of the Confederate flag as

2037
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: the state flag. So it's not like something that I

2038
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: haven't learned to live with. But I grew up the

2039
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: opposite of Jamie. I grew up in a totally black environment.

2040
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 1: My side of town was black, my neighborhood was black.

2041
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: My schools were black. They were named for black people.

2042
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 1: The principal was black, the superintendent was black, my mayor

2043
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: was black. So I grew up um and it was

2044
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: easy for me to be friends with Jamie because all

2045
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: of my heroes and villains looked like me. So what

2046
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Dr King said about judging people by the content of

2047
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: their character was something that I got to do pretty

2048
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 1: easily because again, all the good people and assholes in

2049
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: my life had been black people, so I understood that,

2050
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 1: like James Baldwin tried to help people understand, we can

2051
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: be all those things. We can be sinner as we

2052
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 1: can say so, we could be good, we could be bad.

2053
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,719
Speaker 1: So it was a lot easier for me to get

2054
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: to to not engage in the all white people are

2055
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 1: are are diametrically opposed to me. You know, as I

2056
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: got older and understand a little nuanced, I was like,

2057
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, some white people are just too quiet at

2058
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 1: the wrong times, and that's that's not the same thing

2059
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: as being evil, but you do got a bump them like, hey,

2060
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: you should fucking say something right now, you know. But

2061
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,600
Speaker 1: as a band, we do not go out and experience

2062
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: terrible amounts of racism. We've we've we've had subtle ship

2063
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: happened at Hotel check Is where they are realize that

2064
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 1: our white road managers working for both of us. As

2065
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 1: they're telling me the hold we've had, you know, German

2066
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: police officers opened the door, you know what I'm saying.

2067
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 1: And my wife, you know, um, my wife put all

2068
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 1: the full Muslim guards so that they don't funk with

2069
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 1: her because they don't want that bad. But in terms

2070
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 1: of me, they searched to shoot out of me, like

2071
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: I come breaking on into the country. But we we

2072
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: have been lucky in that when people physically see us too,

2073
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: they see that there's a harmony there, even on our

2074
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: worst days. This is my brother's my friend. I love

2075
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: my friend and brother. So when we hit the streets

2076
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 1: like we're two Americans, you know, if we're out of

2077
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: the country, looking over each other's shoulders, making sure each

2078
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: other's okay, And if we're in America, I'm making sure

2079
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: Jamie's okay, He's making sure I'm okay. So what we represent,

2080
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: before one world gets told is a friendship and the

2081
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: possibility to have people that are friends, that are not

2082
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: from the same place, not culturally or ethnically the same,

2083
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 1: and yet somehow enjoy balance and the kinship. And I

2084
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 1: love the fact that our friendship just shows that, so

2085
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: we don't have to say it a lot, you know,

2086
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: forgetting color. Okay. The music world is littered with people

2087
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 1: who couldn't stand each other. All of the South, south

2088
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: of the Everly Brothers couldn't stand each other. Bands break

2089
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: up because they couldn't stand each other. You're in the reno,

2090
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: you're in the bus. You know, you played then X

2091
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: number of people, you're god. Then you're with the same

2092
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 1: asshole that you know every day. So my question is,

2093
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 1: do you really like each other? You're really friends? And

2094
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 1: do you have blow ups or you know, what's the status?

2095
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: Here's the answer On the end of our album. There's

2096
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: a skit right and and and it's a and it's

2097
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: a sort of it's a sort of an homage to

2098
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: like the eighties action TV shows to me and I

2099
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: grew up on like Dukes of Hazard, night Rider. You know,

2100
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 1: we got all that called Yankee and the Brave and

2101
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 1: and in the in the Skin the Narrow says they

2102
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 1: they friends exactly, these guys have a better chance of

2103
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 1: killing each other. Right, Uh, then what is it these

2104
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 1: guys brothers killing And they said, these guys have a

2105
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:17,640
Speaker 1: better chance of killing each other than something something and

2106
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 1: then and then and then and then an area says, no, sir,

2107
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 1: their brothers, And um, I think that that's the truth. Look,

2108
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: me and Mike do have boops. Me and Mike do

2109
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 1: have issues with each other that we end up ironing out.

2110
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: But we have real personality conflicts, and we have conflicts

2111
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: that come with being in close quarters and someone. We

2112
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: have conflicts that come with you know, years and years

2113
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,759
Speaker 1: of wanting something from someone and and and and trying

2114
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 1: to trying to make their personality fit what you want

2115
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: it to be versus what it really is. And and

2116
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the reason that we

2117
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 1: keep going is because we just fucked up and fell

2118
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 1: in love with each other and became a family. And

2119
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,799
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't walk away from family and easily,

2120
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 1: you don't. You know you this, you know, and it's

2121
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: a different criteria. And yes, we're friends too, and and

2122
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 1: when we're at our best, we're great friends. And there

2123
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: are lots of times when we're not feeling each other.

2124
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 1: It's just a fact, like me and might have known

2125
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 1: each other now for enough time to get over the honeymoon.

2126
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 1: And look, man, most people don't survive past the honeymoon. Usually.

2127
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 1: Usually that's like the honeymoon is over, the group is over,

2128
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: and we have survived passed the honeymoon to the point

2129
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,679
Speaker 1: where we can genuinely say that we look, I don't

2130
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 1: consider people my real friend until I can tell them

2131
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: genuinely to go funk themselves, like like you know, like

2132
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: a friend is a motherfucker. You can tell go fund

2133
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: yourself and you know that you're gonna be able to

2134
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 1: call tomorrow. And and it's not easy, and it's not

2135
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: but but we've been around long enough, man. We constantly

2136
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: remind each other that, you know, the truth is that

2137
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 1: we have to completely can we have to We have

2138
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: to constantly earn each other. That's a fact. Like it's

2139
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: not something you can take for granted. It's not like, oh,

2140
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,719
Speaker 1: you can do any thing and it's just cool because

2141
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 1: we'll job just be there tomorrow. We we we we

2142
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 1: know that we've got to earn each other. But the

2143
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that we've seen things. We've

2144
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 1: seen good things go bad. We were old enough to

2145
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: have seen good situations go the wrong way and for

2146
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 1: people to lose out on stuff because they weren't emotionally

2147
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 1: mature enough to at least take a step back and say,

2148
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: let's talk about this before and this gets any further.

2149
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 1: And I think that if running Jewels had happened in

2150
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: an earlier time in our lives, me and I probably

2151
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been on running jewels for we probably would

2152
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: have just, you know, done a couple of records and

2153
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: been out because it can get tough, and it's constantly something.

2154
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: It's constantly something that we talked about in the context

2155
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: of making sure if all us fails, if we're sucking

2156
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: not feeling each other, we at least do know logically

2157
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: that this is the same old story that we've seen

2158
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: happen to other people. And if we know that logically,

2159
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 1: then we can get to the end of this, which

2160
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: is the happy ending, and work our way backwards. And

2161
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 1: that's what we're trying and do. That's so so, Mike,

2162
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 1: you let the Jamie get the last word. You're happy

2163
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 1: with that. I love it, man. I just a couple

2164
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 1: of words of wisdom. My wife reminds me a lot um.

2165
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 1: If you check my bios, it says um Shea's husband

2166
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 1: in one half of one of the Jews. She reminds me,

2167
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm in two marriages and marriage is not easy. Marriage

2168
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: is not the honeymoon period, but marriage is worth it. Um.

2169
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: I feel about this group, all the excitement, all the getty,

2170
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,719
Speaker 1: nervous anxiety that I felt about rap music at twelve

2171
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 1: years old, when I was a kid that just wanted

2172
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: to do it. And I'm old enough now to understand

2173
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: when my egos getting in the way, or when apathy

2174
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: maybe getting in the way, or maybe I'm just fucking

2175
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,919
Speaker 1: tired of being on a goddamn bust and there's nobody

2176
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: else to grind the gifts with my partner. I'm I'm

2177
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 1: old enough now to kind of stand outside of me

2178
01:51:57,960 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 1: and be like, you know, well, this is what it is.

2179
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: We're also both love this group enough to take Jamie

2180
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: and Mike the human beings away and just have talks,

2181
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, with one another. And I'm and I'm glad

2182
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: because i they're you know, their groups that hate each

2183
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 1: other that's still tour and and give the fans what

2184
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 1: they want their tours. That their groups that still have

2185
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 1: genuine love for each other but refused to get on

2186
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,440
Speaker 1: the stage, which robs the fans. And ultimately, this relationship

2187
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: is more than Jamie and Mike. People invested into us,

2188
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: The fans really invested into us. I always wanted to

2189
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,560
Speaker 1: be as big as we are, and bigger as a

2190
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 1: rapper because I first saw rap with run DMC. I

2191
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: saw rapp in the arenas I didn't see rapping the club.

2192
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,839
Speaker 1: So I want to be on the stage with Jamie

2193
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 1: when I have silver hair and black denim outfits on

2194
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: running around that motherfucker like a hip hop a C

2195
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 1: d C. But the only way that happens like I

2196
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 1: wanted to happen is if I'm constantly working on the

2197
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 1: relationship with my friend and brother too. So as much

2198
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:02,719
Speaker 1: as we do dope music together, UM, still a big

2199
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 1: part is just talking and just um having honest conversations

2200
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 1: about us and what's going on. And you know, ship man,

2201
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 1: I went to see a therapist, fucked man with the

2202
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: I may lead a fucking country. Fuck this ship. I'm

2203
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: just calling to check on you. You know, those type

2204
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: of things you shouldn't lose, And sometimes you just need

2205
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,520
Speaker 1: to drop off the grid for a month and allow

2206
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: each other to have vacation with wife and family. And

2207
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:29,600
Speaker 1: I think that what we understand like a marriage is balanced.

2208
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 1: They're just gonna be times where we balance and counterbalancing

2209
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 1: each other. And if we focus on staying balanced, I

2210
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: don't think we ever get unbalanced enough to be as

2211
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: shaky as we were, because there's a place where even

2212
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:47,599
Speaker 1: the drama of solving drama becomes something that you don't

2213
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: feel like going through. I know certain parts, and when

2214
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 1: you know certain parts, you just evade it by doing

2215
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 1: this because it avoids that part and we can get

2216
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: to growing in other parts, you know what I mean.

2217
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: And and I feel like I feel like we're we're

2218
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 1: evolving with each album and each year a friendship. So

2219
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:06,760
Speaker 1: it's something that I'm still very excited about in terms

2220
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 1: of not only making music, but just evolving a kinship

2221
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 1: and a friendship with someone who is exactly the same

2222
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 1: age as me. We grew up seeing exactly the same things.

2223
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 1: And it makes this spin around, you know, this lifetime

2224
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 1: a lot less lonely because you know, my wife's a

2225
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 1: younger woman than me. She's a woman. I love being

2226
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 1: married to her. But she's never gonna understand what the

2227
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: funk it sounded like the first time you heard b

2228
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 1: DP or two short. You know, she's never gonna understand

2229
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: you know what organized what what Organized Noise did by

2230
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: opening up Atlanta and having someone in tight kinship with

2231
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 1: like Jamie too. To have that and share that with

2232
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. So the relationship is always

2233
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 1: worth working on. It is and the deeper. The deeper

2234
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: we go, the harder the deeper the you know, you

2235
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: travel along the path with somebody and you know, the

2236
01:54:57,160 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 1: more and the issues become sometimes deeper, you know what

2237
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they get they get harder, something like you

2238
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: would think it gets easier, and it does to some degree.

2239
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 1: What I think happens is that it's less ship. And

2240
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 1: then when the ship does pop up, it's deep ship

2241
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 1: and it's like and and and it's shipped. That like

2242
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 1: requires attention. And it doesn't mean that we're always victorious

2243
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: in the sense that we can avoid the moment of

2244
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,560
Speaker 1: blow up or avoid the moment of pain, you know.

2245
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: But again, at the end of the day, we've done

2246
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 1: a good job of trying our best to make sure

2247
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 1: that we don't fucus up. And you know, we already

2248
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: fell in love with each other. We know that when

2249
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 1: you know the ending, you know, it makes you try

2250
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 1: harder to to to justify it. It's like, all right,

2251
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 1: I know that the ending is happy, So how do

2252
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 1: we how do we get there? You know? Though I

2253
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: love this group alpha ever love them, but man, but

2254
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 1: I saw Italica going to therapy, I just like get

2255
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 1: like I wanted Metallica to go into therapy to be happy,

2256
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to see it, so I promised

2257
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 1: with me and Jamie du group there, we won't put

2258
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:13,560
Speaker 1: it out. Uh. It was like watching your fucking heroes

2259
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 1: talk to the principle. I'm like, why am I the

2260
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: only Why am I? They hold on? Why am I

2261
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: the only person in the world who didn't like Metallica

2262
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 1: until that? Like I literally like watching that movie, hold on,

2263
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. Let me just say this. Let

2264
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 1: me just say that watching that movie, I felt like

2265
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 1: watching Spinal Tap. And if you can watch Spinal Tap

2266
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: and not like the main characters of Spinal Tap after

2267
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 1: the movie's done, I don't understand you. Like I thought

2268
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: this ship was hilarious and fucking endearing. Man, I was like,

2269
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: it was just that four minutes, just like James Laws, like,

2270
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 1: like you're human being, you know, and knowing those guys

2271
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:53,600
Speaker 1: and being close to that camp and knowing them before

2272
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 1: the movie. You know, James used to be a drinker,

2273
01:56:56,640 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 1: and once once he stopped drinking, he was totally different.

2274
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 1: You know. It used to be in his presence and

2275
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: it'd be kind of intense, and now he's like a

2276
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, a puppy dog. I saw James and a

2277
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 1: hot rod and oh it was old roach style. It was.

2278
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 1: It was low to the ground, it was badass, all

2279
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 1: type of betina. And when he waved at me that

2280
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,040
Speaker 1: and Lar's actually coming and standing side stage in our

2281
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 1: show just for me, I just tell him I love him.

2282
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 1: Thank them for making me feel badass as a kid. Man.

2283
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: I just watched that movie and I thought that they

2284
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:35,839
Speaker 1: were just I just thought it was great. I was like, great, Well,

2285
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 1: one thing you did is keep the band together. We

2286
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: know you guys are gonna be together. Uh, you know, literally,

2287
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 1: we could go on for hours. I got so much

2288
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 1: more to ask, but uh, we're coming to the end

2289
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 1: of the feeling we've known on this one. So gentlemen,

2290
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 1: thanks so much for doing this. Thank you Bob, Thanks

2291
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 1: for having us. Man, it's been a pleasure. And by

2292
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: the way, I just want to tell you something. So

2293
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 1: I've been I get your letter and I've been watch

2294
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: tweted me. You once tweeted me to give me ship. Yeah,

2295
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: I remember, I was wondering my personality was going to

2296
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 1: be like I was wondering if you remember that I

2297
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 1: was just working with you. Man, I get your letter,

2298
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 1: and I've gotten your letter for years and years and years,

2299
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 1: and I was reading your letter every day. And when

2300
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Run the Jewels to drop, I got your letter and

2301
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 1: you talked about Run the Jewels in it, and you

2302
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:27,880
Speaker 1: talked about how we had done the you know, the uh,

2303
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 1: the fake um like the joke sort of like album

2304
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: packages or whatever. And I just want to say that

2305
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 1: that was a proud day in my life. I just

2306
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: wanted to know that that was that was a problem

2307
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, damn, this is great because

2308
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it, and I just I just read

2309
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 1: your ship every day and it was like, all right, yeah,

2310
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 1: so sorry. I fund with you on Twitter. You got

2311
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:50,720
Speaker 1: only the only thing about working with me on Twitter

2312
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 1: is I can handle. People are working with me all

2313
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 1: day long. You know, every day I wake up and

2314
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 1: people are telling me God, I'm God, and people tell

2315
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 1: me I'm a ship head. You know, I could will

2316
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:05,320
Speaker 1: whole Here's the story. Ten of the of of people

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Speaker 1: on the planet are certifiably insane. The only problem is

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Speaker 1: is you don't know what ten percent it is. It's

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Speaker 1: like people who are like, oh, they seem totally reasonable,

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Speaker 1: and then they like they get totally out of control.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you a story after story

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Speaker 1: after story, and you get to the point where you

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Speaker 1: have to put a mode around yourself because you've had

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Speaker 1: too many bad experiences. Either they have to be a

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Speaker 1: famous person I know them or someone else knew them.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise just too risky. And social media is the magnifying

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Speaker 1: glass on the heat, you know, you know, intensifying the

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Speaker 1: heat ray of insanity. Um, what did I feel like?

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Speaker 1: I said, like, what is Bob leftarts think about? No,

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Speaker 1: you gave me more direct ship without looking up. But

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Speaker 1: the only reason it's important is not that ship, is

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Speaker 1: that I assumed you'd be a dick on the screen

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Speaker 1: and you're anything but understand like you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've been getting that my whole life. Man,

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Speaker 1: So I do apologize. I don't have to apologize. People

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Speaker 1: have said things they need to apologize for that was

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Speaker 1: not you're expressing them being given me ship. It goes on,

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Speaker 1: but as I say, completely in real life, a completely

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Speaker 1: different person. It's like just you know, we could talk

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Speaker 1: TV out infinitum. But I don't know. If you watch Bosch,

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Speaker 1: this guyever, he's the story. He's really intense on the show.

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Speaker 1: So I'm talking to him. I got you know, the

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Speaker 1: guy was like a regular guy. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 1: was wimpy whatever, but you can talk just like a

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Speaker 1: talk to these people. It's just so funny how people

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Speaker 1: are different. And then you know, then there are people

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Speaker 1: who have a reputation for being assholes who are really assholes,

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Speaker 1: but you don't cover that, certainly not. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: thanks again guys for doing this. Okay, until next time.

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Speaker 1: This is Bob Left sex