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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young woman sets out cross country, taking her

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Speaker 2: vehicle from home all the way to Colorado at her

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Speaker 2: new place with her brother. She speaks to her mom

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Speaker 2: and dad all along the route until suddenly her.

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Speaker 1: Phone goes dead.

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Speaker 2: She's cut off, and then her car is found believe

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Speaker 2: it or not, up in a tree, the windows up,

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Speaker 2: both her cell phones and all of her belongings in the.

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Speaker 1: Car, but no Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: Authorities convinced she was not in that view vehicle when

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Speaker 2: someone eased it down a river embankment.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Foxcination and

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Speaker 2: Serious XM one eleven. Evidence shows she was never in

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Speaker 2: that car when it was eased down a river bank

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Speaker 2: and now her mom and dad joining us right now

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Speaker 2: fear their girl has been sex trafficked. I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 2: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. You know

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Speaker 2: when I actually investigated and prosecuted my first sex trafficking case,

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Speaker 2: we called it at that time statutory rape because that

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Speaker 2: particular victim was thirteen and the notion of sex trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Stealing a human and turning them into a sex slave

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Speaker 2: far away from their home was unheard of, but it

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Speaker 2: was happening under our noses, and it's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: But first of all, let's not put the cart before

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Speaker 2: the horse. Where is Caitlin? Take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: friends at crime online.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin Rose Case is a Louisiana native, but recently she

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Speaker 3: moved to Colorado, where family members live. Caitlin works as

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Speaker 3: a technical mechanic. Caitlin made arrangements to buy a two

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Speaker 3: thousand and six Blanck GMC envoy, so she takes a

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Speaker 3: flight to whom a Louisiana buys the vehicle and then

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Speaker 3: begins to drive the vehicle back home to Colorado as

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Speaker 3: she is going to be on the road alone. The

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Speaker 3: family is in constant contact with her throughout her travels,

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Speaker 3: according to Kaitlin Case's mother on definedkaitlin dot com website,

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Speaker 3: she tells family members the navigation system is giving her

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Speaker 2: Going across country, but staying in touch with her family

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Speaker 2: every leg of the trip and more.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin Case travels through Texas and stopping at convenience stories

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Speaker 3: in the cities of Mount Pleasant, Louisville, and Paris, Texas.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin Case calls her father around five pm. According to

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Speaker 3: Kaitlin Case's mother, she's gotten lost in the rural areas

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Speaker 3: through away back to the main road. She's traveling northbound

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Speaker 3: on Highway two seventy one, about five miles southwest of Bogata, Texas,

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Speaker 3: when just after five pm, Caitlyn Case's phone cuts out.

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Speaker 2: With me and All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know about Caitlin's disappearance, But first I want

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Speaker 2: to go to two very special guests joining us right now,

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Speaker 2: Peggy and Gordon Case, Caitlin's mother and father.

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Speaker 1: First to you, mister Case, do.

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Speaker 2: You remember that phone call around five pm when Caitlyn's

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Speaker 2: phone cut out?

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Speaker 1: I do, What were you guys talking about?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's king of what her location was. He was

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Speaker 4: She sounded very quiet, which I kind of felt, you know,

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Speaker 4: the phone for about seven minutes, and I could barely

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Speaker 2: In addition to Caitlin's dad, Gordon Case, Peggy Case, her

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Speaker 1: Got a quot question. So she was driving from where

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Speaker 5: Left from our home in Home, Louisiana, and she was

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Speaker 1: What was her plan?

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Speaker 5: What I do know is she was going to drive,

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Speaker 5: you know, but she got too tired. She was going

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Speaker 5: in touch with her. But that wasn't unusual in that area.

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Speaker 5: The phone, you know, when we were texting, when we

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Speaker 5: Even so, the service cell service is very spotty in that.

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Speaker 2: Area, mister case. Yes, how long had she been driving?

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Speaker 2: How many days? How many hours? At your best guess

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Speaker 2: that day at five.

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Speaker 2: Had she stopped anywhere along the way, Had she stayed

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Speaker 2: had she gone to a convenience store.

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Speaker 4: To your knowledge, she did stop for gas at a

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Speaker 4: But we were on the phone at in Gilmour, and

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Speaker 4: We got her back on the road again, and then

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us VP of Operations at USPA Nationwide Security.

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Speaker 2: You can find Brian at USPA security dot com.

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Speaker 1: I want to point out also.

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Speaker 2: He was part of the Kingsman philanthropic rescue missions of

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Speaker 2: women and children in Ukraine. He is an Iraqi war veteran.

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Speaker 2: This guy's seen it all, Brian Fitzgibbons. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 2: already figured out why I'm asking if she was stopping

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Speaker 2: along the way at gas stations, at hotels where a

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Speaker 2: predator would have seen her driving, you'd see the tags

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Nancy, And that's something that you know, Gordon and

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Speaker 7: Peggy have done a tremendous job of piecing together her

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Speaker 7: credit card transactions as well as from OSBI the cell

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Speaker 7: phone data of where she stopped, when she stopped, and

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Speaker 7: we have a decent timeline to say for how long. Now,

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Speaker 7: the timeline doesn't help us exclude that those interactions could happen.

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Speaker 7: And to your point, that's got to be our greatest

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Speaker 7: fear that somewhere along the way someone realized that she's

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Speaker 7: going to be in these areas have very limited cell

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Speaker 7: you have to imagine she's using maps on her phone

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Speaker 7: that as she loses data connection, she may have no

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Speaker 7: maps for hours at a time. Where Gordon was communicating

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Speaker 7: it's a particularly harrowing scenario for a woman, a beautiful

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Speaker 1: And I've been there.

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Speaker 2: I've been there where your NAV system goes down, and

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Speaker 2: up on his phone to tell me where was I.

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Speaker 2: Especially in rural area where you don't see landmarks, there's

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Speaker 2: not a gas station on the corner, there's not street

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Speaker 1: Of first Street in Elm.

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Speaker 2: That's impossible, and you're stuck and you can't just sit there.

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Speaker 1: You got to go forward.

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Speaker 2: That's the position in which Caitlin rose Case finds herself

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Speaker 2: on a long, long trip across country.

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Speaker 3: No one has been named a suspect or person of

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Speaker 3: interest in the disappearance of Caitlyn rose Case.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we a piece together some

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Speaker 2: of her route. Will it help us listen to our

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Speaker 2: friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 3: After the call with her father, Kaitlyn Case continues driving.

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Speaker 3: Cell tower tracking indicates that Caitlyn Case continues northward Paris, Texas.

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Speaker 3: Shortly after seven pm, her cell phone pings to cell

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Speaker 3: towers in Pattonville, Texas and south of Paris. At nine

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Speaker 3: last pings to sell towers in Chalkdaw County, Oklahoma. Her

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Speaker 3: in Hugo, Oklahoma. The Oklahoma Missing Persons Department immediately deploys

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Nick Huber, investigative reporter for

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Speaker 2: the Paris News. Nick, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm not that familiar with Hugo, Oklahoma. What if anything

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Speaker 8: It's a small town in Chalkdaw County, which is part

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Speaker 8: of the Chalkdown Nation. Fairly small, fairly remote.

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Speaker 2: Following up on Nick Huber's comments with The Paris News,

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Speaker 2: I know that Hugo is in Choctaw County. As Nick

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Speaker 1: Now why is that important to me?

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Speaker 2: It's important to me because that tells me I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to have a lot of witnesses that saw her.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to have a witness that can place somebody.

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Speaker 1: Following her, someone that.

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Speaker 2: She was speaking to asking for directions. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to find a witness. I've got to accept that. But

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Speaker 2: let's take a look at what we know about her movements.

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Speaker 2: Back to mister and missus case Gordon and Peggy Case.

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Speaker 1: So the phone last.

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Speaker 2: Ping is in Hugo, Oklahoma, and she's made it out

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Speaker 2: of Texas. Has she ever been in Chalktown County or

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Speaker 2: in that area before Peggy that we know of to

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Speaker 2: my knowledge?

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Speaker 4: No, what about it, Gordon, No, she'd never been in

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Speaker 6: And I might want to add, there's no proof my

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Speaker 4: Of out of uh Paris, Texas. She never was in

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Speaker 6: This week, we're this, We're guarant this. I can guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you are just giving me a whole another viewpoint. Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 4: No, I found her vehicle. Both her phones were in

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Speaker 4: It got caught between two trees.

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Speaker 6: Her phones were in the vehicle.

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Speaker 4: Her vehicle was locked up, the windows were locked up,

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Speaker 4: it was in neutral, the key was on. She was

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Speaker 4: The airplags didn't employed with the d air bags, and

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Speaker 4: you could tell the vehicle had been manually pushed down

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of information that I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Have you tell me what you found.

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Speaker 4: What I found was my oldest son got in and

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Speaker 6: Phone app from Samsung to find my phone. Caitlin had

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Speaker 4: We got a ping on the location where her vehicle was,

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Speaker 4: and it was on the George Harrington's property up there

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Speaker 6: I was still in Paris, Texas. I asked him.

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Speaker 4: I said, well, can I meet you up there? He goes, well,

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Speaker 6: Well, I didn't sit still. I drove up there.

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Speaker 4: He said he was on his way.

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Speaker 6: He was a mile away. I was thirty miles away.

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Speaker 4: I got there before him by ten minutes. We finally

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Speaker 4: I was able to locate her vehicle. Just walked right

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Speaker 4: all her stuff, one of her, everything she owned was

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Speaker 4: The people that live there are Will Harrington and his wife,

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Speaker 4: the wife told us repeatedly that at eleven o'clock on

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Speaker 4: Heard the dogs bark, and she looked out the window

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Speaker 4: She said, absolutely, it was eleven o'clock. Told us how

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Speaker 4: the gate wide open. They came home, and oh, they

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Speaker 6: It was left wide open.

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Speaker 4: So anyways, the vehicle left out of there at a

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Speaker 4: high rate of speed. He asked her, did you get

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Speaker 4: It went on to about eleven o'clock at night before

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Speaker 4: we excavated the vehicle from where it was lodged between

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Speaker 4: And anyway, the next day we were supposed to show

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Speaker 4: the gate was locked. It was who were not going

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Speaker 4: investigate the next day to see why only.

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Speaker 6: One car left.

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Speaker 4: And that's when that's when that's when OSBI Oklahoma, your

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to argue with Gordon.

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Speaker 6: There was only one car.

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Speaker 4: That came in there. And then it went from the

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Speaker 6: It was real quiet that night.

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Speaker 4: There was nothing going on, no car, no nothing. He

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Speaker 4: he already got done telling PEG's Peggy that you know,

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Speaker 4: he was kind enough to take him back there and

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Speaker 4: show him the set of second set of vehicle tires

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Speaker 4: that had left the property. Right, So then it went

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Speaker 4: from all that to absolutely seeing nothing. And that's when

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Speaker 4: I mean, I could go on and on and on

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Speaker 2: I want to hear every single thing. But the first

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Speaker 2: are in Texas, you are using find my iPhone app

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that how that started?

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 2: You asked them to meet you, and they tell you

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Speaker 2: to stay put, but you don't stay put. You go

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Speaker 2: how you found her car. And it's the car and

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Speaker 2: the phone in the car, two phones, all of her belongings.

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Speaker 2: And interestingly, she's only been gone, you know, when she

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Speaker 1: The clothes she had on.

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Speaker 2: When you last saw her, the pants are inside out,

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Speaker 6: Is that right, Yes, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: And the car is locked in.

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Speaker 4: The car was well that We actually got intrough the

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Speaker 4: it was eighty something degrees in Texas that evening all

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Speaker 4: She would have never rolled the vehicle the windows up

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Speaker 4: when she left. She wasn't parking at Walmart. She just

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Speaker 4: but they never found any fingerprints. Not only like two

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Speaker 1: So the vehicle was wiped down. And it's your theory.

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Speaker 1: She was not the one that drove the car. Absolutely, Now,

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Speaker 1: how is a car in a tree?

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Speaker 4: Well, what happened was is it went down the only

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Speaker 4: and it went over a little knoll and it hit

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Speaker 4: and these it caught her back bumper, her back tail

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Speaker 2: But somebody had to know that layout of that land.

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Speaker 2: If that was the only hill down which you could

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Speaker 2: push the car. This is reminding me of Susan Smith.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when she locked her sons in the

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Speaker 1: So, Brian Fitzgibbons joining.

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Speaker 2: Us from USPA Security, she never was in the car

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Speaker 2: because when you first hear about the case, her vehicle

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Speaker 2: nothing of.

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Speaker 7: The sort, absolutely, Nancy. And to your point that the

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Speaker 7: I means, as Gordon mentioned, this is the only hill

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Speaker 6: You would have to know about that.

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Speaker 7: This is a very remote land out there, a lot

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Speaker 7: like she just drove off of the interstate into a river. Okay.

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Speaker 7: This vehicle went to a spot to be disposed of

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Speaker 7: and Caitlin was not in that vehicle when that took place,

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Speaker 2: Okay, nobody's been named a person of interest or suspect.

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Speaker 2: Take a list as our cut Ten, our friend Dave Mack.

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Speaker 3: According to Kaitlin Case's mother on the find Kaitlin dot

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Speaker 3: It appears that someone was attempting to dispose of the

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Speaker 3: cradled in between two small trees overhanging a seventy five

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. A seventy five foot cliff?

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Speaker 1: To you, mister Case, is that the way it really was?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It well, it wasn't like a straight down cliff, but

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Speaker 4: it would have been about seventy feet actually to the river. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's that's how I found it.

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Speaker 2: And I guess at that time of the night whoever

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Speaker 4: Well, it's my theory that they probably did, and that's

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Speaker 4: why they got out of their fast, you know. They

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Speaker 4: they came in that they.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely knew the property. There's no way they.

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Speaker 4: Would have found that hill behind that barn.

441
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Speaker 6: If they didn't. And also when you travel on to

442
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Speaker 6: that property, there's.

443
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Speaker 4: A lot of machinery that was there, the farm equipment

444
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 4: that was in tall grass, and if there was somebody

445
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Speaker 4: who didn't know their way around that property, they would

446
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 4: have probably crashed in that. If they were coming in

447
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Speaker 4: at a high right rate of speed, they knew exactly

448
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Speaker 4: where to turn behind the hay barn to find that

449
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Speaker 4: hill to launch that vehicle.

450
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Speaker 6: And when in the.

451
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Speaker 4: Miss Haley Harrington said that that vehicle, she said it

452
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Speaker 4: was there a little a little while a little while

453
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Speaker 4: later I heard the dog's bar. We don't know, because

454
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Speaker 4: nobody's ever asked this woman how along that vehicle was there.

455
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, the Bureau of Investigations detectives tried to

456
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Speaker 4: make that out like it never happened. The Bureau of

457
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Speaker 4: Investigations detective theory was is that, well, we think she

458
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Speaker 4: got out of the vehicle and she got eaten by

459
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Speaker 4: wild hogs and the end, the tracking dogs would not

460
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Speaker 4: be able to get her sent if she was torn

461
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Speaker 4: to pieces.

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Speaker 9: That's what he.

463
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Speaker 6: Told my daughter's mother.

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Speaker 4: And then the second theory was is that she made

465
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Speaker 4: it out of there and she walked down to the

466
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Speaker 4: main road, which is two miles in the pitch black

467
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Speaker 4: by a bunch of wild dogs in the street, and

468
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Speaker 4: got down there and hitch Ike got out of there

469
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Speaker 4: what with no shoes, no pants, no clothes. That never happened.

470
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Speaker 4: And I tell you what Paris Police Department detective over there,

471
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Speaker 4: he absolutely will do nothing to help us. He was

472
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Speaker 4: originally contacted by the Attorney General's Office in Louisiana. At

473
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 4: first he was super nice and all of a sudden

474
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: he quit textinging. He know, no contact with him at all.

475
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: Another one, Lamar Sheriff's Department, absolutely nothing would not return

476
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: my calls. I finally told him I'm going national with this.

477
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: He called me within two days to find out what

478
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: was going on, said he was going to call the FBI,

479
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: knew somebody. He never did nothing. He just wanted to

480
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 4: see what I knew and how mad I was. And

481
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: believe me, I'm furious. I've contacted the governor's office in

482
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Speaker 4: both states, the Texas and Oklahoma. I've contacted the attorney

483
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Speaker 4: generals in both those states. I have gotten no response

484
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 4: from anybody. And Hugo Police Department, the detective that was

485
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: there the night that we found the vehicle blocked my

486
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: phone and told me to call the mar Sheriff's department.

487
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: Why would I call the mar Sheriff's department. It's her

488
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: course found in Port Post and Oklahoma. So this is

489
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Speaker 4: what I'm dealing with over there. And also I wanted

490
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Speaker 4: footage from Bagoda where she was. We actually got a

491
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Speaker 4: witness that talked to my daughter in Bagoda, Texas the

492
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Speaker 4: day she went missing. Police never investigated. Told that police

493
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: department she didn't spend any money in your town, so.

494
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Speaker 6: There's no need to look for her. And when I.

495
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: Because I spoke to a police officer there, and that's

496
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: exactly what he told me.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like a horrible cover up.

498
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the witness that saw her in Pagoda, Texas.

499
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Speaker 4: She works a it's a female. She works at the

500
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Speaker 4: She works at the Dollar General. I guess this is

501
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: all we know at this point. They're still trying to

502
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Speaker 4: locate her because they talked to another girl that you know,

503
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: said that that's what you know. She spoke to my

504
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 4: daughter that day and she actually said she was coming

505
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: back to the store, and she left and never came back.

506
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Speaker 4: But I I asked day one, I said, you know,

507
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: will you go back and check the footage and those

508
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: stores and at Pagoda there's only a couple of stores there.

509
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: He got furious with me. He said, no way am

510
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: I going back there. We got her in Para.

511
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Speaker 6: Sexs, there's no need to go do that.

512
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Speaker 4: Well, guess what she was in that town and if

513
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 4: they looked at the footage, they would have seen her

514
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: there and maybe somebody with her or followed her out

515
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: or something. But he didn't want to do that.

516
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Speaker 2: And that's the Dollar General in Pagoda, Texas, right and gooda?

517
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Speaker 1: And when was she and Pagoda.

518
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Speaker 4: She was at Bagoda right there, right before she talked

519
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 4: to me at five thirty. She would have came out

520
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: of Bagoda right around that time, just before that.

521
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Josh Ritter, high profile criminal defense attorney,

522
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: former prosecutor in LA at Joshuillridder dot com.

523
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Speaker 1: Josh, what do you do when police?

524
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Speaker 2: And it pains me to say this as a veteran prosecutor,

525
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: when police won't do their job, something stinks.

526
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

527
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Speaker 10: Absolutely. First of all, I want to applaud you, a

528
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 10: mister Case. It's only through your kind of dogged determination.

529
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 10: I think that this case is continuing to get the

530
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 10: attention that it is, and I think that I agree

531
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Speaker 10: with you, Nancy. I'm you know, as a former prosecutor,

532
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 10: I consider myself former law enforcement. I have a lot

533
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 10: of respect for people who are involved in that field.

534
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 10: But theories something wrong here, especially when you're hearing that

535
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 10: the family members are the ones who are doing the

536
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 10: lion's share of the work here. All of this information

537
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 10: that we're finding out today certainly hasn't been accurately reported

538
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 10: in the media as of the reports that I've been

539
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 10: able to read. So we're getting a lot of information

540
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 10: that seems like there is more to go on than

541
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 10: at first one might think. I mean, we have it

542
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 10: sounds like the thing that stands out most to me

543
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 10: is probably something that's very simple, but I think could

544
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 10: be hugely impactful. Is the idea that there were two

545
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 10: people out there at that location. If we can believe

546
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 10: the witness who said that there were two vehicles and

547
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 10: only one returning the way that it's been described, that

548
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 10: the car was in neutral and intentionally pushed off of

549
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Speaker 10: that hill, it sounds like there's a couple of people involved,

550
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 10: which to me means there's a couple of people out

551
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 10: there with information and they're going to have a hard

552
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 10: time keeping their mouth shut. If the family members and Gordon, again,

553
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 10: I salute who continued to press upon this case and

554
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 10: press upon law enforcement, I am very hopeful that some

555
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 10: sort of break is going to be coming shortly in

556
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 10: this case.

557
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Speaker 6: Well, I appreciate it.

558
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, we appreciate it. Thank you.

559
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Speaker 2: A disappearance like this is hard enough to solve, as

560
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Speaker 2: it is much less without proper police work.

561
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Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut twelve.

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Speaker 3: According to Kaitlin's mother, Caitlin Rose, Cases, vehicle landed at

563
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Speaker 3: the final destination according to GPS hit Gmail at eleven

564
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: forty six pm August fifth, once the vehicle was found.

565
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Speaker 3: According to Caitlin's mother, the Hugo Police Department detectives and

566
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Speaker 3: the OSBI failed to secure the property or treat the

567
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Speaker 3: area as a crime scene when that vehicle was located.

568
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Speaker 3: On August twelfth. Officially, Caitlin Case's vehicle, a two thousand

569
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: and six black GMC envoy with the Louisiana license plate,

570
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Speaker 3: was found abandoned behind a private gated property along a

571
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: steep embankment on the Kiamichi River near Frogville, Localoe. But

572
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: where is Caitlin Rose Case?

573
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Speaker 2: Why do many people believe Caitlin has been sex trafficked?

574
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: Take a listen howur cut twenty five crime online.

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Speaker 11: As police search for Caitlyn Rose, two eyewitnesses come forward.

576
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 11: They tell police they believe they saw Case on August seventeenth,

577
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 11: This is five days after Case's car was found. She

578
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 11: was crying in the backseat of a disabled white suv.

579
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 11: It had been pushed from the road by two women

580
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Speaker 11: into a gas station in Paris, Texas. The witnesses said

581
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 11: there was a dark colored SUV that came to assist

582
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Speaker 11: the disabled SUV to Peggy Case.

583
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Speaker 1: This is Caitlin's mom. What do you make of that report?

584
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Speaker 5: What do I make of it? Well, we have worked

585
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 5: on this, Gordon and has done the yeoman's share of

586
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 5: the work on this. But we've pulled together all this information.

587
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I've tried to contact every police department BI.

588
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 5: I mean we spoke to FBI, you know, missing persons

589
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: on and on. The list goes on and on, and

590
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: none of the local police departments wanted to cooperate us

591
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 5: with us at all. We provided them with the bank

592
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: statements like critical, you know, I went into the bank.

593
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: We filed the missing person's report on Saturday on the

594
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Speaker 5: on the August the sixth, Gordon and I we got

595
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 5: the first cell tower ping on August the seventh, that Sunday.

596
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: We were at the police station around ten pm when

597
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 5: they got the first ping and it was in Hero, Oklahoma.

598
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 5: They immediately contacted missing persons in Oklahoma and Jim Parrish

599
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 5: is the person that manned that search around the cell towers.

600
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Speaker 5: Like it was a six mile perimeter on the on

601
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Speaker 5: the western side I think they did first and in

602
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 5: the eastern side they did later. Six miles in the

603
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: opposite direction, and that was a core joint effort whoever,

604
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: whatever was, whatever agencies work with Oklahoma missing persons. But

605
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 5: two uh, there was supposedly dogs and drones and foot

606
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Speaker 5: traffic and they found nothing.

607
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: Right, Gordon Case, let me ask you a question regarding

608
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Speaker 2: this most recent report that two witnesses come forward and

609
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: state they saw your daughter August seventeen, that would be

610
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Speaker 2: five days after her car was found crying in the

611
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Speaker 2: back seat of a white suv pushed from the road

612
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: by two women into a gas station in Paris, and

613
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Speaker 2: that there was a dark colored suv that came to

614
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Speaker 2: assist the disabled white suv.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

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00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, actually I was the found one that found

617
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: that report from that person. I was up there in

618
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: that area putting out flyers, and it just so happened

619
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Speaker 4: just before I would leaving something to go back to

620
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: this little restaurant and put a flyer there, and I did,

621
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Speaker 4: and I spoke to a couple of girls there and

622
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: left the flyer left. I left that area and went

623
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Speaker 4: back to Louisiana, which is about seven eight hours away,

624
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: got back home. It was a Friday, and on the

625
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 4: very next day, Saturday, evening, I got a call from

626
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: this witness that had went to that restaurant. His wife

627
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: works there and they were having a birthday party and

628
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: he looked down and he saw that fire and he says,

629
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: holy crap, that's that girl we saw that night at

630
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 4: the gas station. He called me immediately off that fire

631
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: because we decided to put our own phone numbers on

632
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: there because we knew the OSBI was not getting any

633
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: was not taking information because we had other witnesses come forward.

634
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: They never even checked into they contacted us to see

635
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Speaker 4: if OSBI ever contacted us, because they never contacted them,

636
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: and we have reports that they say they did, and

637
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: they did it and they were incredible and whatever excuse

638
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 4: they could make, but they never did. But I did

639
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 4: talk to the guy and his name is Johnny Hall

640
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: and his wife and they were very nice people, and

641
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: I talked to him in length and he let me

642
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: record the conversation. And yes he did. He said he

643
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: saw my daughter one hundred percent on his mother's ashes. Now,

644
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: could he be wrong, maybe so, I don't know, but

645
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: he was. He swears that it was, and his wife

646
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: as well, and she was in a vehicle in the

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Speaker 4: Cesscal gas station. Across from Walmart on the Paris Circle,

648
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Speaker 4: and he said he went up. The two girls were

649
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: pushing the broken down vehicle and she was in the vehicle.

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Speaker 6: She was crying.

651
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Speaker 4: He went up to her and he said, whatever is wrong.

652
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: He said, God's going to fix whatever your problem is.

653
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: And one girl came up behind him and said, oh,

654
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: she's crying because she's just far away from home. And

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Speaker 4: that was his story. And so I have that story.

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Speaker 4: And when we told so, I called up the Oklahoma

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Speaker 4: of Your Investigations head, head of person over there with

658
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: that information, and she never would call me, never would

659
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 4: talk to me, and she gave the shed put that

660
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: call back to Oklahoma your Investigations detective, who in return

661
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: said he wasn't credible because, of course, again it was

662
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 4: way too long after the fact that that was incredible,

663
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 4: and we've had a lot of witnesses and a lot

664
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: of information that insists that they're just not credible.

665
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: Why are you convinced as to the location where everything

666
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: went wrong for Caitlin, Well.

667
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: Because, first of all, my daughter would as soon as

668
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: she got anywhere, she would have called me back if

669
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: once our phone drop, if she had car trouble, she

670
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: had any trouble at all.

671
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 6: She would have been on the phone with me.

672
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: I texted her and told her it was getting late.

673
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: Because it was it was getting getting towards evening. She

674
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 4: would have needed to get a room at the Ilfen Paris, Texas.

675
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: I had looked on the map and looked at the town,

676
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: and I found a.

677
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 6: Place for her.

678
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 4: Never heard from her ever again. She would have never

679
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: not called me back. And there are a couple of

680
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: witnesses that flame saw her in Cunningham where she was

681
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: on the phone with me on that street, said she

682
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 4: turned around in his driveway, and then another one up

683
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: in Jennings. Well, it seems real odd that in between

684
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: Cunningham and Jennings is property owned by the same people

685
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: where her vehicle was found. Really, personally, I think these

686
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 4: are smoking, mere witnesses to put her out of that area.

687
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: And he says that she went into Paris. Well, everybody agrees,

688
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: and other investigators agree that there's no way she was

689
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: in control of that vehicle and went through all that area.

690
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: She didn't know the area. She started out at the

691
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: Civic Center, went all around Paris, ended back at the

692
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: Civic Center. She would have never done that. It would

693
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 4: have never happened. We have a lot of information.

694
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: So where do you pinpoint, Well, you believe your daughter

695
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: ran into.

696
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: Trouble, Well, I can't pinpoint it. It could have been

697
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 4: anywhere from Mount Pleasant on up. She might have met

698
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: maybe picked someone up, or someone was following her at

699
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: that point. She might have met somebody in Bagoda. You know,

700
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: maybe they talked with her, maybe she trusted them. I

701
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't really know exactly all I know where.

702
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 6: I was told, where I was on the phone with.

703
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: Her, and after everything that the OSBI has given us

704
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: so far, which is bet bs, I do. I don't

705
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 4: even trust the Wi FI hits or any of the

706
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: information off of that. That was a typed out sheet

707
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: that my family and sent everybody out. They're not the

708
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: original records, phone records from the phone company. They are

709
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 4: typed out version of his version. I don't trust anything

710
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: that man has to say. And I want to add

711
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: first of all, that Peggy has been a huge part

712
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: of this. We would not be anywhere without her. She's

713
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: the rock to this family period. So I want to

714
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: put that in there. And I also want to add

715
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: that from day one I asked him, I said well,

716
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: should we put up some flyers, some bulletins around Paris,

717
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: Texas Loop. We have people that want to fund that.

718
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 4: Oh no, I wouldn't do that.

719
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: We don't know anything right now.

720
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: And I said, well, how about how about if we

721
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 4: put out a reward. Oh no, We've never had anybody

722
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: come for a reward. I said, well, I'm going for three, right,

723
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: I said, well, how about a private investigator. Well, you

724
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 4: know we're working on a case right now.

725
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 6: It's been over a year.

726
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: We kind of classed with dev you know, they want.

727
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 6: To solve it before us, and blah blah.

728
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: We haven't solved that case at all.

729
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: So let me understand.

730
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: They don't want missing people flyers, they don't want a reward,

731
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: and they don't want you to hire a PI.

732
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Speaker 1: Did I get that right?

733
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

734
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 9: You're right?

735
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: And who is this telling you that?

736
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: The detective of Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation and I talked

737
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: to his supervisor. No word from him. I told him

738
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: about my concerns from the beginning. I've gotten nothing but

739
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: silence from him. From the head director over there OSBI,

740
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: they will tell us nothing.

741
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: You know, Doctor Angie Arnold joining me, were now psychiatrists

742
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: out of Atlanta. When you're looking for your child and

743
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: even authorities are not helping you, that's got to be

744
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: the most disillusioning thing, and you feel totally defeated, but

745
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: they're not.

746
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Speaker 12: Oh my god, I'll tell you something. First of all,

747
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 12: I'm so sorry that you are having to go through this,

748
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 12: but kudos to you for not letting the people that

749
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 12: are in charge hold you back from trying to find

750
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 12: your daughter. This is the most amazing story I've ever heard,

751
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 12: isn't it for you? Nancy?

752
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: I tell you, I'm just having a hard time accepting

753
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: that they're getting no help from anyone, especially in light

754
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: of these two civilians where her car is caught up

755
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: in a tree on their property, changing their stories. Their

756
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: stories change from two vehicles coming in to one vehicle

757
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: to didn't they go to no vehicles coming in at

758
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock the night before mister case.

759
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, did didn't see anything?

760
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: In the end yet not thinking okay.

761
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: And the fact that her clothing was in the car,

762
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: her cell phones were in the car, her purse, everything

763
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: is in the car with the windows rolled up, and

764
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: a car that doesn't have air conditioned in that Texas heat.

765
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Everything is all wrong.

766
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: I want to give you phone numbers and emails if

767
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: you want your voice to be heard. Paris, Texas PD

768
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: nine zero three seven eight four sixty six eight eight Bugatta,

769
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: Texas Police nine zero three sixty three two o seven

770
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: seven two.

771
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: That's not all.

772
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: Lamar County Sheriff nine zero three seven three seven twenty

773
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: four hundred.

774
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: The Oklahoma ag.

775
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Four zero two five two one three nine two one.

776
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 2: The governor four zero five five two one two three

777
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: four two.

778
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: What is happening?

779
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Why is this case been handled the way it has

780
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: or miss handled?

781
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard to.

782
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: You, Tony Wade of a law officer saying you don't

783
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: need any missing person flyers, you don't need to put

784
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: out a reward, you don't need to hire a p

785
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that in my life.

786
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 9: It's actually ludicrous, you know. And Nancy, this reminds me

787
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 9: of a case that you and I actually done together

788
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 9: several years ago in Texas. No law enforcement wouldn't help us.

789
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 9: They even come to my hotel maximum glean Town. It

790
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 9: makes that's really no sense to me. There should be

791
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 9: a search form on that property, you know why. And

792
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 9: it happens more times than not, I can tell you

793
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 9: thirty years of doing this now. There's a lot of

794
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 9: police departments who just don't want to get involved in

795
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 9: missing person's cases because they don't know how to handle

796
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 9: it begin with. But why try and stop what the

797
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 9: family's trying to do, putting out flyers or stop search

798
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 9: teams from coming in those things? That has never made

799
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 9: any such to me.

800
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: Man, I smell a rat. I smell a dead rat.

801
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: Nick Hebert joining us from the Paris News. What is

802
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: law enforcement telling you?

803
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 8: They haven't told me anything. I've attempted to contact everyone

804
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 8: multiple times in the Lamar County Sheriff's office, Paris Police Department.

805
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 8: I've gotten confirmation there's an open investigation. But that's about

806
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 8: it as far as what anyone wants to say. You

807
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 8: can't request government records from OSBI, so it just it

808
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 8: seems like it's a dead.

809
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: End, a dead end.

810
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: Well, it's not a dead end right now, even though

811
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: it may seem that way. Guys, if you want to

812
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: help Gordon and Peggy Case find their daughter, go online

813
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: to find Kitlin dot com, c ai t l y N.

814
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: Caitlin with a C.

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Speaker 2: Or they're running out of money to search for their

816
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: daughter themselves. They're basically having to take on the government

817
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: to try and find what happened to their girl. There

818
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: is a GoFundMe, a GoFundMe dot com slash help us

819
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: Find Caitlin. Repeat gofund me dot com slash help us

820
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: find Kitlan.

821
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace reached down to the OSBI.

822
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: We were told this is an open case. Agents are

823
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: not at liberty to discuss the case. Park Police and

824
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: Bogata Police departments did not return our call. Hugo and

825
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: Huma Police Department said no one was available to speak

826
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Speaker 3: with us. No one has been named a suspect or

827
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose case.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye FD