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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. This proves that no one

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Speaker 1: is immune to crime. Crime strikes at every socio economic level,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about multi millionaire famous people. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Nine News Colorado. We start with breaking news. Law enforcement

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Speaker 1: Colorado Bureau of Investigations as Amanda Editor was kidnapped in

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Speaker 1: that a man named Joseph Beecher kidnapped her and maybe

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, the suspect, Joseph Beecher, rammed his vehicle through

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Speaker 1: So the name Amanda Atinger may not ring a bell,

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Speaker 1: But what about the name Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of

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Speaker 1: think about it. Suddenly, I don't know where You're minding

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Speaker 1: Terrestra Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. First of all,

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Speaker 1: who is Michael Bloomberg. Let's start right there. So he

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Speaker 1: is a businessman from New York City. He is actually

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Speaker 1: for a shrink, Doctor Bethany Marshall, Doctor Bethany, not that

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Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg did this, because by all accounts, he's very assuming,

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Speaker 1: But why is it when billionaires billionaires get mad if

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Pick it up where you left off. What

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Speaker 1: kind of unimaginable horrors did they did they encounter? And

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Speaker 1: what are the reverberating effects of this story and this

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Speaker 1: crime going to be Bobby Karl, you've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of kidnaps, and before you describe what you have seen,

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Speaker 1: Deborah Roberts at ABC News. I did not want to die,

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Speaker 1: and I remember praying to God, and I remember I

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Speaker 1: never said, you know, like a man. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: I never wanted to end my prayers because I didn't

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Speaker 1: want God to leave me. She endus the next nine

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Speaker 1: months through prayer and gains her captor's trust by never

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Speaker 1: disagreeing or angering him, The two forming a complicated bond.

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Speaker 1: They would walk together, and she says she even agreed

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Speaker 1: to help him make counterfeit money. Part of how I

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Speaker 1: gained his trust, I guess was, you know, I went

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Speaker 1: along with whatever he wanted to do. In fact, he

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Speaker 1: was so afraid police were about to arrest him on

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Speaker 1: a counterfeiting investigation. He let Abby go on a desolate road.

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Speaker 1: There were no cars coming either way, and he said,

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Speaker 1: get out, just like that, Just like that. That was it.

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Speaker 1: I remember looking up and laughing, just being so happy.

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Speaker 1: I never thought it would happen to me. But I'm free.

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Speaker 1: And I just walked home hearing the voice of kidnap

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Speaker 1: victim Abbey Hernandez. Now I believe it's Philippians, it says

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Speaker 1: pray and all circumstances pray without ceasing that she was

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Speaker 1: so afraid he would kill her she would not say

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Speaker 1: amen to any of her prayers. She says she didn't

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Speaker 1: want the Lord to leave her as if he would.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. You know Bobby Chakarn speaking

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Speaker 1: of kidnapping for money, and you know who I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about the Alaska and Barista Samantha Koenig and her pos

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Speaker 1: kidnapper mayhe rot in Hell Israel keys remember that, sure, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. We don't even think that started out as

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Speaker 1: a kidnapping. That was a mistake that's admittedly made later on,

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Speaker 1: but it was it was the thing that got him,

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Speaker 1: caught him kept going back to the ATMs to get

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Speaker 1: money out of the account that Samantha's account that we

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Speaker 1: had started depositing money into. That was our connection to him,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately it's downfall. But these these kidnappings break two

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Speaker 1: different ways. So you have the stalkers like we just

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Speaker 1: heard this young woman whose heals for nine months, who

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Speaker 1: was much more personal, not financially motivating. Then then then you

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Speaker 1: would have the ones more recently, like see when the

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Speaker 1: hotel owner in Las Vegas casino owner whose daughter was

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Speaker 1: kidnaped in nineteen ninety three. He made the ransom, never

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Speaker 1: at contact of the cops. He got the daughter back

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Speaker 1: in two hours. We got involved later in track down

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Speaker 1: the kidnappers and they went to jail. Um. But there

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Speaker 1: are those types of that are professional. They just want

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Speaker 1: the money, they have a plan, it's executed very well. Um.

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Speaker 1: We in the early two thousands, we foiled an attempt

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Speaker 1: to kidnap David Letterman Stun from his ranch in Montana,

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Speaker 1: which seems very much like this case with Bloomberg. Um.

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Speaker 1: But there it was a person who worked for the

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Speaker 1: Letterman estate there. They knew the inside layout of the property,

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Speaker 1: they had pictures, and they had a plan. Fortunately we

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Speaker 1: were able to get onto the plan before whatever took place.

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Speaker 1: But but there are these things breakdown along those those

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Speaker 1: two lines, whether it's personal and they're going to kidnap

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Speaker 1: this person because they're obsessed with them, they're not really

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Speaker 1: as interested in the ransom. Um. And then there's the

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Speaker 1: alone in a car at the airport in Vegas. I

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Speaker 1: think that's how they returned her after two hours. And

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Speaker 1: so they were just interested in money, and they got

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Speaker 1: it very quickly, and it was planned very well. Um.

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Speaker 1: The Bloomberg case, I'm not sure how well it was planned. Um,

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Speaker 1: there was a seems to be you know, an emotional

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Speaker 1: you know elements in this way he crashed the gate. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's not the kind of thing we usually see. Kidnapping's

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Speaker 1: usually done very covertly. Um. You want to get the

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Speaker 1: person to get to get in and get out and

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Speaker 1: then make your ransom demand. So you want to do

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Speaker 1: that with as little fair fanfare as possible to the

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Speaker 1: initial abduction. Um. And so normally we don't see this

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Speaker 1: kind of approach on a kidnapping. You know, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: some kidnappings that were foiled and somewhere the kidnapped victim

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Speaker 1: was saved. Not true in the case of Samantha Konik,

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Speaker 1: where you actually supervised digging and an iced over river

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Speaker 1: lake to pull up Samantha Koenig's body parts. This young

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Speaker 1: I believe she was nineteen, wasn't she Alaska? Yes, working

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Speaker 1: in a coffee stand, was kidnapped. A ransom photo of

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Speaker 1: her was left at a park with a money demand,

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Speaker 1: and as soon as the boyfriend and the dad saw it.

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Speaker 1: They knew something was wrong because she never, like my

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Speaker 1: daughter has never, except when I did it when she

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Speaker 1: was a little girl, worn her hair in two long braids.

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Speaker 1: Never she puts her hair back in a bun. My

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Speaker 1: girl does. And Samantha had her hair in braids, and

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Speaker 1: she looked like she had on makeup that she wouldn't

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Speaker 1: normally wear. We found out later he had not only

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Speaker 1: raped her repeatedly, but had sewed her eye lids open,

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Speaker 1: had covered her makeup to make her look alive. And

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Speaker 1: she was dead at the time. The ransom from the kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: That's how serious kidnappings can be. So to you, Alexis

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Speaker 1: terres Chuck, and I'm going to come back to you,

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Speaker 1: Tapatie with the personal protection handbook about how to avoid abduction.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Terresha, I believe that the intended victims were Bloomberg's daughters,

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Speaker 1: Emma and Georgina. They were That's what he was, That's

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Speaker 1: who he was looking for. Now, Emma and Georgina are

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Speaker 1: not young children, ones in r thirties and ones in

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Speaker 1: her forties. Georgina that is a well known equestrian. She

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Speaker 1: both of these girls and were in a documentary that

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Speaker 1: was called born Rich in two thousand and three. Like,

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Speaker 1: people know who they are, they're they're very well known.

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Speaker 1: Their dad is not the kind who's like, I'm cutting

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Speaker 1: off my children. I'm not helping them. He would, you know,

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Speaker 1: a ransom. I don't know him, but I would imagine

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Speaker 1: if there was a ransom, he would pay it. He

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Speaker 1: would never want his daughter's ear to be cut off,

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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't charter her interest when it came back,

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Speaker 1: when he came back. Take a listen to our cut six.

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Speaker 1: Phil lipof ABC This Morning new dramatic police video a

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Speaker 1: daring rescue ending the kidnapping of a woman who worked

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Speaker 1: for Michael Bloomberg. Police say she was taken at gunpoint

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Speaker 1: from his Colorado ranch Wednesday. This video showing the Cheyenne

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Speaker 1: Police Department's joint SWAT team arriving to the scene at

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Speaker 1: the Stagecoach Motel just across state lines. All enfortunate did

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Speaker 1: everything right in this case. They were able to apparently

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Speaker 1: track her iPad, which eventually led them to Cheyenne, Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say the suspect, Joseph Beecher, was carrying an AR

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Speaker 1: fifteen and a handgun when he was arrested. Now he's

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Speaker 1: charged with kidnapping in federal court. To Bobbie Chacon, explain

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Speaker 1: what an AAR fifteen is. It's semi automatic long gun.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It looks like a machine gun because it's

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Speaker 1: got a long barrel on it and the way it's held,

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Speaker 1: but it really is a Usually a nine millimeter is

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Speaker 1: the same round semi automatic handguns did just a semi

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Speaker 1: automatic rifle. I will never forget Choice Slayton. The first

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Speaker 1: time I had to handle an AAR, it was in

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Speaker 1: a murder and two dopers had meant to shoot another

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Speaker 1: doper and they did at sniper style at a distance.

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Speaker 1: That's because that's why they didn't realize who they were shooting.

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Speaker 1: Was a thirteen year old little boy coming home from

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Speaker 1: band practice, his nickname Moonbeam, and as he tried to

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Speaker 1: crawl to his house, he was calling out for his

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Speaker 1: mother when he died. And I remember holding that AAR

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Speaker 1: in court and it looked like somebody had spray painted

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Speaker 1: it Matt black, a dull black, and I swear it

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Speaker 1: looked like it came straight out of the gates a hill.

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Speaker 1: That's what an AR looks like to me. You ever

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Speaker 1: had to deal with one of those in court, slave,

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Speaker 1: I actually have and although they may look scary to

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Speaker 1: somebody that's not experienced handling guns, they are the most

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Speaker 1: common rightful in the United States. Okay, I guess that

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Speaker 1: makes it okay the diapers and kidnappers used them more often.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joy for that inside information. Guys, what was the

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Speaker 1: whole purpose of this kidnapping? Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut seven ABC. According to court documents, Beecher was looking

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg's daughters and wanted to quote make an international scene,

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Speaker 1: the victim told authorities. Beecher rammed his truck through Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Ranch's security gate and forced her to leave with him.

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Speaker 1: She says she was forced to withdraw money from an ATM.

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Speaker 1: While taking that money out, she mailed the words helped me,

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Speaker 1: hoping it would be recorded by the machine surveillance camera.

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Speaker 1: The victim safe and returned to her family. She remained calm.

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Speaker 1: She tried to be friendly, and so if you can

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Speaker 1: do those two things not agitate a kidnapper, you any

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Speaker 1: increase your odds of staying alive. Authorities Saint Bloomberg was

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Speaker 1: not at the ranch during the kid apping. Overnight a

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Speaker 1: spokesperson for Bloomberg telling ABC News were deeply grateful to

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Speaker 1: the Rio Blanco County Sheriff's Office for their swift and

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Speaker 1: heroic action in this case. No word from an investigators

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Speaker 1: so far and why Beecher was trying to cause what

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Speaker 1: he called an international incident. But he is in custody

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Speaker 1: now and facing serious federal charges. Okay, data shrink pronto.

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Speaker 1: The victim in this case, Amanda Editor tells the FBI

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Speaker 1: demanded She's sleeping bed next to him, with her head

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Speaker 1: on his chest, her arm around his middle, and his leg,

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Speaker 1: her leg over his What is that you wanted to spoon?

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Speaker 1: I think that this is going to sound strange. He

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Speaker 1: was not from you. Nothing strange, Doctor Bethany, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: He was trying to steal another person's life, not just

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Speaker 1: their money. By that, I mean, remember she did he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He rob his employee before he left the place where

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Speaker 1: he lived. He broke through the gate to the compound.

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Speaker 1: He smack up behind her with an AK forty seven

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Speaker 1: while she was working, told her, I'm going to blow

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Speaker 1: your effing face off, brings her to the motel, wants

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Speaker 1: to snuggle with her like she is his wife. Or girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: I think in some ways he wanted to be Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to have Bloomberg's life, he wanted to have

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg's money, he wanted to have Bloomberg's daughters. I know

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Speaker 1: you guys are thinking about this as being financially motivated.

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Speaker 1: I see it as stocking, where you want to be

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Speaker 1: the other person. You want to merge into them. You

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Speaker 1: want to have something they have. And if he couldn't

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Speaker 1: have the daughters, Michael Bloomberg's daughters, well I'll have the housekeeper.

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Speaker 1: She I've looked at pictures of her. She's an attractive,

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Speaker 1: middle aged woman, and I'm going to get her to

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Speaker 1: snuggle in bed with me at night. As if he

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Speaker 1: is now Bloomberg, adopting his life, his customs, his housekeeper

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Speaker 1: and Anthea. I want to say something about this house.

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Speaker 1: You know, the listeners might think of this as, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's this sprawling, you know, nineteen thousand square foot house

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Speaker 1: and nobody is there. These places are like hotels. You know.

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Speaker 1: She was the head housekeeper, which means that she has

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Speaker 1: dozens of housekeepers working underneath her. This house is probably

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Speaker 1: fairly well staffed. There are people coming in and out.

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Speaker 1: So that makes this much more even more of a

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Speaker 1: brazen act. But I think in some way he wanted

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Speaker 1: to experiment with what it was like to be Bloomberg,

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Speaker 1: and he forced her to be like a companion to

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Speaker 1: him of sorts. I didn't say that coming doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 1: As usual, guys, a little bit more, we're learning about

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Speaker 1: what the said. Take a listen to Art cut Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is Steve Steger nineties Colorado and ARRESTAFFI David says

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Speaker 1: that he asked for Bloomberg's daughters before kidnapping an employee

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Speaker 1: at gunpoint. On Wednesday. Joseph Beecher was arrested in a

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Speaker 1: motel in Wyoming with the woman the next morning. Yeff

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Speaker 1: David says investigate found them by tracking the woman's iPad.

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Speaker 1: The woman wasn't hurt, but she told police Beecher kissed

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Speaker 1: her and told her if she was a man, she

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Speaker 1: would be dead. At one point, she says that they

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Speaker 1: stopped in the Metro area to pull money out of

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Speaker 1: an ATM. The woman told investigator she mouthed the words

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Speaker 1: help me, hoping that someone would notice on a security camera.

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Speaker 1: Rio Blanco County Sheriff's Office says that Beecher had no

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Speaker 1: connection to the Bloomberg's or this woman. Beecher is facing

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Speaker 1: federal kidnapping charges. To Tom Pachierry, America's Lady Personal Safety Expert,

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Speaker 1: author Personal Protection Handbook, Tom, of course we're not at

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg's level with all of his literally billions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: But we go walking, we go jogging, we take our

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Speaker 1: children to the grocery store. We have to go in

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Speaker 1: and out of malls or gas stations. We're home. Some

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Speaker 1: people forget to turn all their alarm or the locking

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Speaker 1: their doors when their home. I've had kidnappings that have

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Speaker 1: covered them and the investigate them that take place in

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Speaker 1: their front yard. What can people do, tape Teera to

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Speaker 1: avoid exactly this. Well, one of the key things is

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Speaker 1: we have to learn to increase our protective veil. And

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Speaker 1: what that means is, you know, our awareness queues number

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Speaker 1: one when we're out in public and things stay off

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Speaker 1: the cell phones. I mean, the cell phones are the

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Speaker 1: biggest distraction things out there. While you're talking, somebody's listening

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Speaker 1: or somebody's looking. You know. The other thing is change

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Speaker 1: your routine. You know, if you go pick up the

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Speaker 1: mail every day at nine oh five, you know, change that,

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Speaker 1: change the route that you go to work, and things

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Speaker 1: like that don't have a pattern for somebody that's looking

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Speaker 1: to know where the vulnerability is. You know. The third

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Speaker 1: thing is is always check and balance, you know, always

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Speaker 1: let people know where you are when you are. The

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Speaker 1: problem is here we get complacent in life, and we

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Speaker 1: all do, and then random things happen to us. I

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Speaker 1: mean on the celebrity editored executive that I have to

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Speaker 1: say this about the Bloomberg incident. I'm surprised that they

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Speaker 1: didn't have an impact alarm on the gate itself, that

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Speaker 1: when the impact hit the gate, that didn't go directly

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Speaker 1: to the police station to know that. You know, the

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Speaker 1: gate was destroyed. Something drawing at this house. You know,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of things that we do at celebrities

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Speaker 1: because they have money or VIPs is different than what

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Speaker 1: we do for everyday people. Impact alarm, I've never heard

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it's actually designed into the gate. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Liza's tersha. Where does the case I guess Joseph Bischer

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Speaker 1: rot in Heale, where does it stand right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: he is in jail and they are going to they've

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Speaker 1: charged him with kidnapping, but There also will probably be

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Speaker 1: charges from as doctor Rethney Marshall had said, earlier, he

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Speaker 1: robbed his employer. He was working at a hotel, and

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Speaker 1: earlier he robbed his employer, and that's where he got

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Speaker 1: the gun, and so he broke into their house, he's claiming,

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Speaker 1: or well, the housekeeper told the FBI that he confessed

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Speaker 1: to heart that he broke into his employer's home, got

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Speaker 1: in a fight, and that's where he stole the guy.

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Speaker 1: Troy Slat and I see a lot more charges coming

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Speaker 1: down the pipe, for instance, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon,

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Speaker 1: putting a machine gun in her face, kidnapping, the armed

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Speaker 1: robbery of the boss, well, the robbery of the boss

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Speaker 1: of the weapon. There's a lot going on here for

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors to use in charging. And if those charges

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Speaker 1: are stacked consecutively like twenty plus twenty plus twenty, he's

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Speaker 1: looking at life behind bars. He is, and once the

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Speaker 1: federal government is done with him, he's facing local charges

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Speaker 1: in each one of the jurisdictions where he committed a crime.

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Speaker 1: Just barreling through the gate at the Bloomberg estate. That's

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Speaker 1: breaking entering and burglary. It's breaking into the dwelling house

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Speaker 1: of another with the intent to commit a felony. They're

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Speaker 1: in the definition of burglary. We wait as justice unfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,