1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the players by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: teen year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer A Nius Williams. 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Legis Podcast. I am a Nieus Williams. 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: We're here with the Nickerson's family talking about social justice 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: and Amy's book. How do you see us? Let's listen 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: in so yeah, I'm just when when when that happened 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: to Hardy When the girl thought that he was stealing 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: her car, but in fact she had one that looked 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: just like it. Uh. He called me immediately and was 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: really kind of upset about it. But what goes through 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: the mind of a black mother. I was really happy 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: he was okay, But I start thinking about, like Tray Vaughn. 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: I start thinking about vigilanteism, and you know, with her 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: screaming about her car being stolen when it wasn't, and 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: of course she came to her senses later. All she 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: really had to do was look at the licenselate, but 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: she didn't do that. She opened the door and proceeded 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: to accuse um. I I started fretting about what it all, 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: the what ifs that we always have to deal with 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: what if, you know, people on the street who saw 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: this started helping her. What if they call the cops 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: and they come helping her about her car being stolen 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: and it's already's car. Things happened so fast and in 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the you know, as we see on TV, things happened 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: way too fast for you to save a life many times, 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 1: and I it just enraged me even more that people 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: have the ability to push push a button or pull 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: a string that's life or death in something that seems 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: so innocuous but can be that way. So I guess 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to add that, you know, people did 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: what we see it all the time now with people 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: calling the cops on folks bird watching or whatever they're doing. 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: We're just trying to live. He was just really trying 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: to be in his car that she said was her car. 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: And it won't be until we start having those those 37 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: discussions with each other about why she didn't think it 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: was his car, why she immediately thought he was stealing 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: all of those things. We we we got a lot 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: of work to do. Thank you, Amy, mhmm, thank you. 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is I hear you guys story 42 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: when it comes down to the vehicle, the type of job, 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: playing professional sports, getting degrees as African Americans, it doesn't matter. 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: With the quote from a jay Z song the Story 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: of o J. He says in that o J is like, 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: I'm not black, I'm o J and then he ends 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: it with a pregnant pause. Okay. In other words, are 48 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: rhetorical no matter where we are, until we deal with 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: the psychological UH mindset when the African Americans pulled over 50 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: because we see has nothing to do with UH poor 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: our rich. There's still a psychological challenge in the mind 52 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of many of our Caucasian officers when their approach people 53 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: of influence or just African Americans period. I have a 54 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: couple more, one for Hardy Junior, one for Amy Amy. 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: How would you facilitate a listening session? How would you 56 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: communicate to make sure all that at the table are 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: really listening? How would you describe that? Yeah, well, I'm 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: actually kind of trying to formulate to myself to try 59 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: to reach some some of our white brothers and sisters 60 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: who have asked to listen. But it's really difficult and 61 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: the US to say how exactly it would look. I 62 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: think it's going to be situational based on different parties 63 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: and things like that. But um, you know, because sometimes 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: you could you could you could have power point, you 65 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: could have things, you could have sound bites, and people 66 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: kind of tuned out. I just feel like, you know, 67 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's going to be achieved necessarily 68 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: in a huge, huge forum. People feel more comfortable speaking 69 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: intimately with smaller groups. It's from what I'm hearing other 70 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: people give me feedback. So you know, sometimes people don't 71 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: want to feel like they're on the spot in every 72 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: large room, so they don't say anything or they may 73 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: not listen. So I don't know. I think it's going 74 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: to be important to have a little small sessions, um 75 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: more people, maybe buddy systems or something like that. I 76 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: don't really know. I haven't figured it out yet. I 77 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: can only tell you what I've done with people that 78 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: I know, white people who have asked me, hey, tell 79 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: me about this whatever, or after I told them something 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: that happened to me, they expressed it what they didn't 81 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: understand and they wanted to. Um, it's gonna take a 82 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: little work to kind of get the framework down on 83 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: how this is going to be successful. But I think 84 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: the first step is just you know, going out and 85 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: taking the plunge and saying that it exists and and 86 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: telling stories. You know, they're gonna have to want to change, 87 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: like for themselves. It's something that they're seeing right now. 88 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: Where in terms of protests and movements, I think that 89 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: it's forcing people to start to learn how they can 90 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: change and how how they can be better. There's big, 91 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: countless stories for hundreds and hundreds of years about the 92 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: same stuff going on, and it's happened to almost everybody, 93 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: so it's really on on them and right now we're 94 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: calling them to change. There's demonstrations and social media post 95 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: there's TV specials, there's all sorts of things um to 96 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: bring attention to it so that they can know that 97 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: they do need to change. Yeah, I agree. I will 98 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: say this that I have white friends who are very 99 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: much on point about getting telling their families, telling friends 100 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: that they know who aren't as h receptive to our stories. 101 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: And honestly, the onus is on white people right now 102 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: to take charge to this is something that we really 103 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: can't do alone. And we can't change hearts. I mean 104 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: we What I mean is we can't legislate attitudes. You know, 105 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: we can't just make people like us or believe us. 106 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: But um, what we can do is have have allies 107 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: who can help us get our messages out and be 108 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: believed and to the point where we have significant changes 109 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: structurally to achieve equality in this country. And as you 110 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: formulate those conversations about free things come in my mind 111 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: when it comes down to the conversation at the table. 112 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: The first one is to have whoever is listening repeat 113 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: back what they heard, repeat back what they heard. Another 114 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: one that with Tracy and I in marriage, one of 115 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: the things we were taught when we were talking in 116 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: order to better understand what the other person felt about something, 117 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: we would use some type of fruit. In other words, 118 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: if it wasn't a major deal, would say, Okay, it's 119 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: like you hit me with a limit, but it was major, 120 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: like you hit me with a watermelon. Right, so now 121 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: I know the difference and the magnitude of how it felt. 122 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: And then the third thing I think about is just 123 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: like on those iPhones when we're doing a selfie that 124 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: cameras towards us, then we hit that button and that 125 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: thing flips and now it's on someone else. So to 126 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: get our Caucasian brothers or whoever else two have them 127 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: tell us what it would feel like it was all 128 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: flipped if now African Americans were all in charge everything 129 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: and then you experience this, then we begin to gain 130 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: a little more emotion about it because they would see 131 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: the necessity of how important it is now that they 132 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: are the majority, to be even more sensitive to this. 133 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 1: That's just a few things that came to my mind. 134 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: Now I agree. And I think there was a song 135 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: by Lupe Fiasco called all Black Everything, and it was 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: people might want to start with listening to that because 137 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: it flipped in was like, hey, this was happening and 138 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: this one was president and and it doesn't feel so 139 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: good when you're the person who you're the group that's 140 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: the underdog. But that is that has to be included 141 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: in conversations about but what if? Then the imaginations about 142 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: different scenarios and I and aready party guys. I can 143 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: give your example, so playing leaf for two years, harder 144 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: you playing six D, little HJ playing three and will 145 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: soon do more. I was not aware of necessarily the 146 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: platelet if I say play them using a term of 147 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: the fringe guy hardy, that guy that was scared during 148 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: cut time when the Turk we call him coming around cutting. 149 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: I never, oh my fourteen years and never crossed my mind. 150 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't until years after I had finished and I 151 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: started talking even in a legend community at some of 152 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: these UH Legend meetups that we've had in locations that 153 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: they do with the Legends community, I started talking to 154 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: more players who are more fringe guys who begin to 155 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: tell me. One guy told me they were playing for 156 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: a team and the starting quarterback was at the mirror 157 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: next to him didn't even speak to him. So even 158 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: within our culture of our being athletes, there's this disconnect 159 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: where sometimes the star quote unquote star guys or guys 160 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: who pretty much know we probably make the team, there 161 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: were things we never even thought about, and and and 162 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: so having those discussions we can think about it's easy 163 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: to actually be that way and use some of those 164 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: examples for sports. The final thing, Hardy Jr. I want 165 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: to ask you can a Carcasian teammate use the N 166 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: word and sing the N word in the locker room? 167 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. That is a term that you know, I 168 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: hope that every black person in America and if they 169 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: do hear somebody say it who was not of our 170 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: race will address immediately. You know, it's not something that 171 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: should be said or should come out of their mouth. 172 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: It was a it was a word that was used 173 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: in oppression, UM used to the mean and it just 174 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: it just it's not tolerated UM locker room. If the 175 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: song comes on, it's it's unacceptable. So if you're a 176 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: Carcasian teammate, says man as in the songs you guys said, 177 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: what would you share with him? How would you help it? 178 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: I would just tell him that, yeah, the song says it, 179 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: he is black. But you still can't say it no 180 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: matter what the history of what your people have done 181 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: behind that word. And I don't condone over saying it. 182 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: Some people do and it's as black people. You know. 183 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: That's that's another topic that we probably need to discuss. 184 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: But right now, it's it's unacceptable for anybody to say 185 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: who isn't black because of the history of slavery, oppression, UM, 186 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: so many things, Lynching's white supremist mobs, who the KKK, 187 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: so many things. Right, It's just it's just unacceptable. So 188 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: with hardy See and Amy, what about is it empowering 189 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: in the African American community to take ownership over the 190 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: N word in our community. In other words, should we 191 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: begin having conversations within our own community about possibly taking 192 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: that word out of vocabulary. Well, I will say that 193 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with with debates on it for for probably 194 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: as long as I was when I was young. And 195 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and then you've got you've got a faction of our 196 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: of our um race that feels like that they've gotten 197 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: uh comfortable with the word and it means it's been changed, 198 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: and it's and of course words can change, meanings can 199 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: change over time, but it is I feel it's still 200 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: very inflammatory. Uh And as a little hardy or I 201 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,479 Speaker 1: call him a little hardy, sorry, Hardy Jr. Uh intimated. 202 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's packed with so much imagery and and 203 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: and and energy about what happened to us is a 204 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: people eslays we really shouldn't say it at all. The 205 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: problem is that it has become pop culturalized, and prior 206 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: to pop culture, just you know, became kind of like 207 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: a term of endearment, if you will. Uh. Among black people, 208 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's saying in a different way, and of 209 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: course they delineate between E R and A but um. 210 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: Still it causes confusion, It makes white people feel like, well, hey, 211 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: you said it, how come I can't say it. You 212 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: get into that argument and you never, really, you never 213 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: get out of it. So, yes, we got to have 214 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: the conversation about some of the things we do that 215 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: sets the tone for what everyone else does. But I 216 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: would agree with little Hardy that until we get to 217 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: that place where we all haven't, you shouldn't say it all. 218 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a loaded word, um. And I totally 219 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: agree with with Hardy until there is some different understanding 220 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: that that word cannot be used at all. But based 221 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: on the history of slavery and just oppression and everything else, um, 222 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: I think I think that's a word that uh um, 223 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: white folks should delete from their vocabulary and steer clear 224 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: saying I'm sorry, did you say something? I was joking? 225 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: I said, even em and M not a good look. 226 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: This has been fantastic, guys. I'm so glad we got 227 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: those last questions in as well, because those are kind 228 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: of discussion that really will help all of us, even 229 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: at the high school level, all the way down elementary 230 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: have those conversations with young African Americas with their Carcasian 231 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: classmates who think it's okay because it's in the song. 232 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: So thank you guys. This is a thank you Hardy, 233 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: thank you Amy, thank you h thank you so much 234 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: for joining us, Thanks for listening in the best is 235 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: yet to come. This has been the NFL Legends podcast. 236 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: To provide feedback or request the topic for discussion, email 237 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: us at NFL Legends at nfl dot com.