Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have to tell
Speaker 1: you the funniest story ever. So this weekend we had
Speaker 1: my dad's side of the family annual Christmas party that
Speaker 1: we have every year and we look forward to it,
Speaker 1: and we have lots of cousins and aunts and uncles
Speaker 1: that are listeners. So high and hey, guys, hey, let's
Speaker 1: think of who specifically came up to us. Andrea and
Speaker 1: Al and Jimmy and of course Geena Revernet Alle Natalie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we definitely have a bunch of our family
Speaker 1: members who are listeners. But so my dad comes up
Speaker 1: to me at the party and he goes, hey, I
Speaker 1: finally listened to your X Rated podcast. And I was like, so,
Speaker 1: this is hilarious because we've been doing this podcast for
Speaker 1: over a year. My dad's never listened to it. Like
Speaker 1: we've said before, he probably doesn't even know what a
Speaker 1: podcast is. But this party is almost an hour away
Speaker 1: for us to drive, so my mom probably put it
Speaker 1: on while they were driving there and like forced them
Speaker 1: to listen to it. But I was like, X rated
Speaker 1: And then so I go up to my mom and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's daddy talking about? He said, he what's
Speaker 1: X rated about the podcast? And here he was listening
Speaker 1: to the part where we were talking about whole talks
Speaker 1: and dudes that get botox in their asshole to make
Speaker 1: anal sex more comfortable. So I thought that that was
Speaker 1: like a great first introduction for my dad to listen
Speaker 1: to the show. So of course it's the first episode
Speaker 1: he's ever listened to, the one where we because he's
Speaker 1: like a really old school Italian guy, so just hearing
Speaker 1: like anybody talks so openly about sexual things, let alone
Speaker 1: his daughter and granddaughter, which is probably such a shock
Speaker 1: to the system. And my mom listens to every episode
Speaker 1: and I think she does thinks for being funny, but
Speaker 1: he was probably so more to less prude than he is,
Speaker 1: so I just think it's it is hilarious.
Speaker 3: He just kept giving me this look across the room
Speaker 3: like it's probably mortified, but whatever. All right, let's get
Speaker 3: into the story of the day, all right.
Speaker 1: So last week in Virginia, there was this group of
Speaker 1: people hunting. They came across a bear. It seems like
Speaker 1: from the report that they had scared the bear to
Speaker 1: the point where the bear climbed up a tree, and
Speaker 1: then while the bear was up there, one of the
Speaker 1: hunters shot at it. So the problem in this whole
Speaker 1: situation lies with the fact that all the guys were
Speaker 1: not necessarily clear of the surrounding area of the bottom
Speaker 1: of the tree, and as the bear fell out, it
Speaker 1: hit one of the guys on the ground and gave
Speaker 1: him serious injuries that later caused his death. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: but that's like some karma shit right there. For real,
Speaker 1: it is pretty crazy. I don't know. I looked up
Speaker 1: how heavy bears are, because I you could tell they're
Speaker 1: heavier creatures, but I was like pretty shocked. So in
Speaker 1: Virginia they have black bears, which I think are considered
Speaker 1: some of the smaller bears we have in this country,
Speaker 1: but they can range. The male black bears can range
Speaker 1: from two hundred and eighty to eleven hundred pounds, and
Speaker 1: then females can range from two hundred to six hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds. So imagine if this was a full
Speaker 1: fledged adult bear, how heavy that would be. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it probably was because you're not allowed to shoot ones
Speaker 1: under a certain size, right, So it probably was a
Speaker 1: bigger bear. And yeah, just imagine a two hundred to
Speaker 1: six hundred even more pound weight falling from a tree
Speaker 1: and landing on a person. So I'm actually surprised that
Speaker 1: guy didn't die on impact, but you don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what angle it hit him at. Apparently he was still alive.
Speaker 1: And this is the interesting thing that at the scene
Speaker 1: they said that he was in I don't even think
Speaker 1: they said that he was in serious condition, right, And
Speaker 1: they say that he was in he was stable at
Speaker 1: the scene, and they brought him to the hospital and
Speaker 1: then he later died from his injuries. So I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if he had some kind of a brain bleed or
Speaker 1: something that they weren't able to either identify right away
Speaker 1: when they thought that he was fine, because you hear
Speaker 1: that happened to like remember we did the celebrity death
Speaker 1: dissection on the Tacha Richardson. She was the mom from
Speaker 1: the parent Trap. Yeah, and she had hit her head
Speaker 1: while skiing and she told the instructor that she was fine,
Speaker 1: and she was able to get up and go back
Speaker 1: to her room and she seemed fine, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, she died. So that could happen.
Speaker 1: You don't always have to necessarily die right away from
Speaker 1: a blunt injury like that, So that's more than likely
Speaker 1: what happened with this guy. But imagine, imagine you being
Speaker 1: the their hunter that shot the bear, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of your fault that this bear fell on top
Speaker 1: of your friend. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we
Speaker 1: hear about hunting accidents a lot, but I've never quite
Speaker 1: heard of this. I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: know that bears can so easily climb up trees. And
Speaker 1: then I was, of course going to YouTube to watch
Speaker 1: videos of bears following out of trees, and there are
Speaker 1: a lot, there's a lot of footage of it, and
Speaker 1: it's just this gigantic thump when they hit the ground.
Speaker 1: So I can't even imagine that falling on a person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't either. So this guy leaves behind five kids,
Speaker 1: eight grandkids, a wife. It's really sad. I just think
Speaker 1: this is some like crazy freak thing that I don't
Speaker 1: think most hunters are thinking about things. I mean, they
Speaker 1: intentionally shot it out of the tree, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they realized, oh what they think it was gonna happen?
Speaker 1: What did they think was going to happen, like it
Speaker 1: was just going to stay up there, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you're shooting it because you want to keep the trophy, right,
Speaker 1: So they had to assume it was going to fall.
Speaker 1: Just maybe I don't know, like maybe the one guy
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention or whatever, because I think they said
Speaker 1: he was only tendy ten feet from the tree, which
Speaker 1: is like not that f far, not far at all, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Okay, celebrity news. All right, So
Speaker 1: in Barcelona, this fashion designer, his name's Isaac Andick. Do
Speaker 1: you know the brand Mango? Yeah? I do, so they
Speaker 1: have really cute stuff. He founded this brand in the eighties.
Speaker 1: He was hiking on this popular tourist area with his family.
Speaker 1: I guess at some point during the hike they approached
Speaker 1: these caves that are really beautiful. You know. They said,
Speaker 1: a lot of tourists go to this area. It's not
Speaker 1: uncommon somebody would be hiking there. So at some point,
Speaker 1: while I was four in the caves, he fell down
Speaker 1: a ravine which was about five hundred feet or one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty meters, and he had to be you know,
Speaker 1: they couldn't find him at first, A family had to
Speaker 1: call nine War one a helicopter and a special rescue
Speaker 1: crew had to come, and unfortunately, by the time they
Speaker 1: got down there, he was dead. Yeah, do you want
Speaker 1: to hear something really nuts? So right before I saw
Speaker 1: this story in the news. So we're traveling to out
Speaker 1: West later this year and my friend Paul lives out there,
Speaker 1: and he sent me a picture of some cave that
Speaker 1: has a ladder in it that's like one hundred years old,
Speaker 1: and he's like, Hey, are you guys interested in going
Speaker 1: in this hike? I want to find this cave that
Speaker 1: has this hundred year old ladder that you can climb
Speaker 1: down and go into this cave. And he sends me
Speaker 1: the picture of it, and I'm looking at it like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a really good idea that we're going
Speaker 1: to be like in the middle of the desert with
Speaker 1: no cell service and we're going to stand on this
Speaker 1: ladder and it's gonna break and we're gonna be stuck
Speaker 1: in a cave.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But then I said, you know, well, Gabe might want
Speaker 1: to do that with you actually, because it sounds right
Speaker 1: up Gabe's alley, right. But then as soon as I
Speaker 1: read that this story came up, and I just thought
Speaker 1: that that was just like a sign that we definitely
Speaker 1: should go nowhere near that with Paul. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: felt so how far did he fall? You said, over?
Speaker 1: It's the article I was referencing sat one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty meters, which when I converted it said it was
Speaker 1: around five hundred feet deep. Yeah, that's consistent with a
Speaker 1: fall from a fifty story building anywhere, depending because I
Speaker 1: think I read that it was one hundred meters, but regardless,
Speaker 1: it's anywhere from like a thirty to fifty story building.
Speaker 1: So that's think about that like a huge high rise
Speaker 1: in New York City and falling to the ground like
Speaker 1: it's it's those injuries are going to be significant. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised that they were able to even get his body
Speaker 1: down that far, like that must have just been a
Speaker 1: lot in itself to be able to get down there
Speaker 1: to get him. Oh yeah, and he was seventy one
Speaker 1: years old, like I. You know, the people we know
Speaker 1: in our life that are in their seventies would never
Speaker 1: dare even leave the house to go on a walk
Speaker 1: around the block, let alone go hiking in caves with
Speaker 1: their family. So I thought that was kind of cool
Speaker 1: that he was going out and having this day with
Speaker 1: his family, but obviously it had the worst possible ending. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So when you fall from a height of that high,
Speaker 1: you sometimes with the bodies at all tops, so you
Speaker 1: see specific injuries that happen depending on how the person lands.
Speaker 1: So we were talking about with Liam Payne. He fell
Speaker 1: from only a third floor balcony, right, so he wasn't
Speaker 1: that far. But remember we were saying that he didn't
Speaker 1: have any injuries that were consistent with him being awake
Speaker 1: and alert and trying to brace his fall in any way,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you'll see injuries like broken
Speaker 1: bones on the feet. Sometimes the ankle bone will pop
Speaker 1: right through the skin because people are trying to land
Speaker 1: on their feet or trying to brace their fall with
Speaker 1: their hands. But sometimes in these cases, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're falling that fast and the forest is just so fast,
Speaker 1: you really don't have any control over how you're going
Speaker 1: to land and stuff, and if you do land on
Speaker 1: your feet or your butt, it could cause something in
Speaker 1: your skull called a ring fracture, and that's just from
Speaker 1: the impact of the bottom of your spine. Basically just
Speaker 1: like pushing up into your skull, so at the base
Speaker 1: of the skull it causes a fracture that's like a
Speaker 1: ring or a circle, and those particular injuries are almost
Speaker 1: always consistent with an instant death. Is there is there
Speaker 1: a height in which you could maybe like pass out
Speaker 1: mid air if you're falling from a certain height, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That would all be specific on the individual,
Speaker 1: if they have some kind of a reaction like that.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's so fast, honestly, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't really know if if that's a thing that happens.
Speaker 1: It just like I can't there's you know, there's a
Speaker 1: couple ways of dying that just seem really horrible, and
Speaker 1: just falling for that long because it goes by quickly, right,
Speaker 1: but it's like kind of too long where you know
Speaker 1: what's happening, Yeah, I mean, and just think about that
Speaker 1: being the last couple seconds of your life. It's just
Speaker 1: like such a scary feeling to I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: really afraid of so just I'm like so afraid of heights,
Speaker 1: Like if I'm at the mall and I look over
Speaker 1: the edge of the of the banister, like I don't
Speaker 1: like that feeling. It like it gives me like a
Speaker 1: scared feeling. I just don't like heights at all. So
Speaker 1: for someone like me just thinking about having that feeling
Speaker 1: so intense, you know. I remember years ago I took
Speaker 1: this elevator which was at the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's called I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it's called that anymore, but it took you all the
Speaker 1: way to the top and you could kind of just
Speaker 1: like look out the window outside, and just just being
Speaker 1: up that high and looking outside of a window, knowing
Speaker 1: you're protected in a building just like scares me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I would never even be
Speaker 1: doing anything like this, like going with Paul in a cave.
Speaker 1: Heights don't really bother me like that. Something interesting is
Speaker 1: when I was in Lake Placid a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: It was snowing pretty bad the whole time, and there
Speaker 1: was a lot of people pulled over going on hiking trails,
Speaker 1: and I can't I could not possibly wrap my head
Speaker 1: around going hiking at all, mostly because I'm lazy, but
Speaker 1: also just you know, hiking with all that ice and snow.
Speaker 1: And then my husband was saying something that apparently going
Speaker 1: hiking on certain trails could be easier with ice because
Speaker 1: it's easier to grip certain rocks and it smooths them
Speaker 1: over or something which makes these avid hikers want to
Speaker 1: go out and do it more. I just could never
Speaker 1: do something like that. I'm into hiking just as long
Speaker 1: as there's protections, you know. Yeah, I'm just wondering in
Speaker 1: this case, because this accident happened recently. I feel like
Speaker 1: Barcelona has kind of similar weather to us, so I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if it was icy conditions or if it was
Speaker 1: a nice, regular day out. So this brand, Mango, I
Speaker 1: had never I mean, I guess it's a huge deal.
Speaker 1: Did it Has it been here forever too? Because I
Speaker 1: just came across it recently, like a year or two ago,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, all these clothes are cute.
Speaker 1: I never heard of this brand. I don't, like, have
Speaker 1: you heard of it? And I've just been totally checked
Speaker 1: out this whole time. I think you've been checked out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's been in the US forever.
Speaker 1: It was founded in the eighties in Spain by this guy.
Speaker 1: I've been aware of it for quite some time because
Speaker 1: I've always thought their clothes were really cute, but I
Speaker 1: feel like they used to sell it. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it used to be at like a
Speaker 1: couple of department stores near US. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: they stores. Okay, all right, what's so? The next story
Speaker 1: is is a good one. So el and John was
Speaker 1: named Time Magazine's Icon of the Year. So during his interview,
Speaker 1: he was talking about his career and his overall struggles
Speaker 1: with addiction at the peak of his career, and he
Speaker 1: basically ended the interview saying that legalizing marijuana in America
Speaker 1: and Canada is one of the greatest mistakes of all time.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? When you know? This
Speaker 1: whole interview he was talking about how he was introduced
Speaker 1: to cocaine and got addicted in that, you know, made
Speaker 1: him try other drugs and everything, And he went on
Speaker 1: in the interview to talk about how marijuana is definitely
Speaker 1: a gateway drug in his opinion, being a former drug addict.
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting take from somebody that
Speaker 1: was a drug addict. They also asked him about if
Speaker 1: he felt the same way about alcohol. I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting that they said he turned to his husband
Speaker 1: to answer on his behalf, and they kind of just
Speaker 1: were like, while it is socially acceptable, you know, it's
Speaker 1: still kind of this problem people are refusing to acknowledge.
Speaker 1: I see it the same way as alcohol in a way,
Speaker 1: you know, what makes weed worse than drinking It both
Speaker 1: changes how your brain is feeling and can alter your
Speaker 1: state of mind. So I back in the day, I
Speaker 1: used to smoke a lot of weed, and I used
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, legalized weed, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then when I really started thinking about it, especially
Speaker 1: when I stopped using it, I definitely could I agree
Speaker 1: with him one hundred percent. And I think if you
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of people who used to use
Speaker 1: marijuana heavily that have stopped, most of these people would
Speaker 1: say that they've seen an increase of productivity in their
Speaker 1: life as well as an increase in their quality of life,
Speaker 1: and just they could agree with what he is saying that.
Speaker 1: You know, they always try to push this thing that weeds,
Speaker 1: like this natural thing that grows in the ground and
Speaker 1: it's not addictive and it's not harmful and this and that,
Speaker 1: and in my opinion and personal experience and also professional experience,
Speaker 1: I find that that is completely false. I think that
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be legal because I look at like the
Speaker 1: reasons that I think that, Like, I don't give a
Speaker 1: shit if people use weed and want to use weed.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that when the US government
Speaker 1: says that weed is legal, you're telling people that it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's not that bad. Because if the US government says
Speaker 1: it's okay, then it can't be that bad. That's what
Speaker 1: people think, But that's not the truth. It's the same
Speaker 1: with alcohol, it's the same with cigarettes. And the government
Speaker 1: only legalized it not because they care that you can
Speaker 1: get it. It's you know, safer whatever they get. They
Speaker 1: realize that they can make a shit ton of money
Speaker 1: off of it, so they don't They don't care that
Speaker 1: they're just introducing this to a whole bunch of other people,
Speaker 1: like people like you, for example, like super rule follower
Speaker 1: people whishers, a ton of you in the world. Right,
Speaker 1: you might be more scared to ever try doing marijuana
Speaker 1: or having it daily because you would be like, well,
Speaker 1: it's illegal and if somebody smells it coming out of
Speaker 1: my house, I'll get arrested or you know, all this
Speaker 1: stuff and that would kind of deter you from using it.
Speaker 1: But now that it is legal, people just and clearly
Speaker 1: we can tell what's happened because and maybe that's just
Speaker 1: because it's legal in my state, but I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty much legal in most areas of the country at
Speaker 1: this point, right. No, I mean it's legal, it's recreationally legal,
Speaker 1: medically legal in a bunch of states, but it's not
Speaker 1: recreationally legal in most states. Well whatever, wherever we are
Speaker 1: in New Jersey and Philadelphia, it's like you just smell
Speaker 1: weed wherever you're at at all times, and people are
Speaker 1: just smoking it outside as if it was a cigarette,
Speaker 1: and it's the use of it and the openness of
Speaker 1: it is definitely way up from then when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I'll say. So, there are health risks associated with marijuana,
Speaker 1: including like there's an increased risk of having psychosis, and
Speaker 1: you could have all of these different kinds of mental
Speaker 1: health aspects of it, especially if you have underlying depression
Speaker 1: or schizophrena or something. It could really make those conditions worse.
Speaker 1: But there's also problems and we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: that in another article we have talking about vaping a
Speaker 1: lot a little bit later. But there's health problems that
Speaker 1: are associated with and they even have done studies that
Speaker 1: say that the burning of the marijuana could lead to
Speaker 1: cancer in patients. And so I think that you're going
Speaker 1: to see a lot of this over time. And I
Speaker 1: know that marijuana has been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: But back in the day, if you went to the
Speaker 1: doctor in the eighties and the nineties and they say
Speaker 1: do you use recreational drugs, every single person puts no,
Speaker 1: because why would you put that in writing if they
Speaker 1: were illegal? Right, So all of these statistics of people
Speaker 1: like getting cancer later in life and stuff and all
Speaker 1: that that, how do you know that marijuana didn't give
Speaker 1: people cancer because nobody used to admit to it because
Speaker 1: it was illegal. So now you could say that about
Speaker 1: one hundred other things. Yeah, but I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: like this is going to be like and I want
Speaker 1: you to go back ten years ago, I was saying
Speaker 1: the same shit. So just like it will, it will
Speaker 1: one hundred percent come up in the future because more art.
Speaker 1: That's the only way that they're able to determine what's
Speaker 1: causing cancer because of people's health records. Well, also, we'd
Speaker 1: used to actually be natural and in today's day and age.
Speaker 1: Like everything else, it's genetically modified, it's manufactured, you know,
Speaker 1: so those are going to cause problems as well, just
Speaker 1: because it's evolved over time. Well, it just it doesn't
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's natural anyway, because there's plenty
Speaker 1: of natural things that could cause harm. And it's not
Speaker 1: just like you could do all the tests you want
Speaker 1: on the marijuana plant itself, but when you turn anything
Speaker 1: and when you burn anything, it totally changes the chemical
Speaker 1: composition of that thing, which could then change DNA, which
Speaker 1: then can lead to atypical cells that can lead to cancer.
Speaker 1: So it's just something I think people should just have
Speaker 1: their eyes open about and say, just because the government
Speaker 1: says it's it's legal, now it's it's not legal, doesn't
Speaker 1: equal good. And you could see that with alcohol and
Speaker 1: cigarettes for sure. So yeah, but people I do think
Speaker 1: alcohol is fine. So yeah, well it's not like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: so and that's not my opinion, Like that's that's the
Speaker 1: hundreds of liver transplants I've seen it, and and autopsies
Speaker 1: and everything associated with chronic alcohol use, not to mention
Speaker 1: all of the other stuff that you could you could
Speaker 1: really measure out drinking and driving accidents. There was just
Speaker 1: one where a seven year old kid just got killed
Speaker 1: in a dui accident. Like it's not it's not good
Speaker 1: for you and so, and there's really no articles medical
Speaker 1: literature anyway saying that it is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing with cigarettes, Like, God, don't
Speaker 1: even go down that road, right just because the government
Speaker 1: says it's it's okay, it doesn't mean it's safe. That's
Speaker 1: that's all I want to say. So I see what
Speaker 1: he's out and John's saying, because you're almost giving people
Speaker 1: that permission. Like, listen to me. If they said, right now,
Speaker 1: we're going to legalize uh, let's say cocaine, you would
Speaker 1: see an increase in cocaine use. Yeah, of course. But
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, though, they don't give a shit
Speaker 1: about what happens to you. They care that the tax
Speaker 1: money has gone up astronomically. That's what they care about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, as long as people are making their
Speaker 1: decisions based on that, then, because I hear a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff about people arguing with you that you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not addictive, it's not this and it's like
Speaker 1: you could talk to plenty of people, especially people like
Speaker 1: me that I could talk from experience because I did
Speaker 1: a shit ton of it. It is. It is a
Speaker 1: gateway drag. It is addictive, Like I'm you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I don't care what you say. It
Speaker 1: is you. They can say whatever they want, Like I
Speaker 1: think saying that as a like, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I think it can be addictive, but I don't think it's.
Speaker 1: Like I've I smoked weed for a really long time.
Speaker 1: I wasn't addicted to it, like and I stopped doing
Speaker 1: it no problem. So like I think it depends on
Speaker 1: what the personality type. I think that depends on Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's you though, But you don't have you don't
Speaker 1: have any kind of predetermined thing to have addiction. Like
Speaker 1: it's the same thing you can delay about drinking alcohol
Speaker 1: and going gamba. But ingredients in cigarettes are proven to
Speaker 1: be addicted to anybody that regularly smokes them. Like, saying
Speaker 1: marijuana is addicted in the same way cigarettes are is
Speaker 1: just not a correct statement in my opinion, because it
Speaker 1: depends on your personality what kind of weed you're getting.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these dispensaries are you know,
Speaker 1: some of them are really about the natural approach, but
Speaker 1: some of them are about the heavily genetically modified approach.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what could lead to an addiction. Well,
Speaker 1: I think addictions just it's just too broad of a
Speaker 1: term for anything, because you could say, like my husband
Speaker 1: drinks a case of seulser or water a day, is
Speaker 1: he addicted to it? Probably? Like if he doesn't have it,
Speaker 1: he kind of gets anxiety over it, like, well, what
Speaker 1: am I going to drink today? I don't have new
Speaker 1: fizzy water? Like can you please get some groceries? Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Like right, so people can have it towards
Speaker 1: lots of different things that aren't considered to be like
Speaker 1: chemically addictive for people, you know, So it's kind of
Speaker 1: not true to say that it's not I don't know.
Speaker 1: It depends on the person's let's move off, all right,
Speaker 1: freak accidents, all right, So speaking of this topic, I
Speaker 1: guess we're gonna considue the conversation. This teenage boy who
Speaker 1: was fifteen was sneaking around vaping. What's confusing about this
Speaker 1: to me is that his parents said he was They
Speaker 1: were constantly finding a vape in his room. Although they
Speaker 1: forbid him from doing it, and then he would just
Speaker 1: go on walks all the time, Like what else do
Speaker 1: you think he was doing? Well? This is the thing
Speaker 1: I love that this article is heavily emphasizes that the
Speaker 1: parents kind of like knew about this and told him
Speaker 1: not to do this, and we're really trying to get
Speaker 1: him not to do this. But ultimately, when you have
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old kid, somehow they're able to get
Speaker 1: access to that thing they leave the house, you can't
Speaker 1: like sit on top of them and never let them
Speaker 1: leave the house and stuff. Like kids, this is just
Speaker 1: like a kid being a kid. This is a story
Speaker 1: as old as time. Kids hiding cigarettes, kids hiding drugs, alcohol, whatever.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to be clear in this article that
Speaker 1: like they didn't condone his behavior all right. Anyway, he
Speaker 1: one night, he goes on one of his quote walks
Speaker 1: to go sneak a smoke, and he said, as he
Speaker 1: walked up to this overpass near his house, the vape
Speaker 1: wasn't working, so he tapped it on the ground and
Speaker 1: then as he lifted it back up to his mouth,
Speaker 1: the thing exploded in his hands. Yeah, so this this
Speaker 1: little like a vape pen can act like a small
Speaker 1: explosive device and parts of it are made of glass
Speaker 1: and metal, and it essentially acted like shrapnel and partially
Speaker 1: amputated parts of his hand. Like he went home to
Speaker 1: show to be like to his parents, called on on one
Speaker 1: I'm having a problem, and his dad said that his
Speaker 1: thumb was like hanging off of his hand by his
Speaker 1: wrist and when he went to the hospital, he had
Speaker 1: to end up getting extensive hand surgery and they did
Speaker 1: have to amputate a couple of his fingers, but they
Speaker 1: weren't able to save his thumb. But his hand is
Speaker 1: completely mangled. He said, it was turned inside out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the FDA is saying that these events with the
Speaker 1: explosions are unusual, but they think it could be related
Speaker 1: to the battery inside them. Do you think it's one
Speaker 1: of those lithium ion batteries. So this is actually really interesting.
Speaker 1: So there's a coil in these vipe pens that have
Speaker 1: to that has to get heated in order to heat
Speaker 1: this flammable liquid so it could turn it into a vapor, right,
Speaker 1: And they do often use lithium ion batteries. Lithium ion
Speaker 1: batteries are regulated with things like cell phones and laptops.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this with Fastinelli last year when
Speaker 1: we did that article with the Experial example that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did that external exam with Chief Fastineali from FDNY,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about how they're regulated. Like, if
Speaker 1: you get a phone from Apple, it's a regulated thing.
Speaker 1: There's a low risk of anything happening with that battery
Speaker 1: because they're FDA regulated. Right, But what about when you
Speaker 1: get like a knockoff from China from Amazon to charge
Speaker 1: your de wault battery or whatever you do, Right, then
Speaker 1: those ones that aren't approved, and they're the ones that
Speaker 1: they're seeing with the scooters and everything in New York
Speaker 1: are pausing most of the fires, or these like bobo
Speaker 1: counterfeit ones.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, when you're talking about these lithian ion batteries with
Speaker 1: bake pens, they're actually not regulated at all. So that's
Speaker 1: part of the problem. There's no regulations with those at
Speaker 1: this time. There's been there's just been countless emergency room
Speaker 1: injuries because of these explosions, and of course it's because
Speaker 1: of the battery, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the overall message behind the story is children
Speaker 1: should certainly not be vaping, and I think because children
Speaker 1: are vaping, they're not learning about the other dangers that
Speaker 1: could be lurking behind the devices they're using, such as
Speaker 1: this or them catching on fire. Yeah, which is also
Speaker 1: just and this is what I wanted to say earlier.
Speaker 1: This is like just another issue that comes along with
Speaker 1: these because again, when these first came out, I've been
Speaker 1: saying since before I even started Instagram that these vapes
Speaker 1: are horrible and they're going to be horrible. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you why. Because the majority of the companies
Speaker 1: that are owned by these vape people are Philip Morris, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's we all know is like the number one cigarette
Speaker 1: manufacturer who is responsible for the death of millions of people,
Speaker 1: and Altria, which is owned by Forrest Philip Marris as well. Right,
Speaker 1: So these two companies that have made cigarettes, who hid
Speaker 1: all of the information for years that they cause cancer
Speaker 1: even though they knew it, right, they're the ones that
Speaker 1: are saying putting out this new product and saying that
Speaker 1: it's healthy and it's fine and it's not dangerous. And
Speaker 1: but let's talk about this. Last year in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: the East cigarette manufacturers, they made twenty three point three
Speaker 1: billion dollars. So that's why they say whatever they're going
Speaker 1: to say to get you to buy it, because it's
Speaker 1: just like a huge money maker, right, And not only
Speaker 1: I mean the bape pens explosion are kind of like
Speaker 1: not even the biggest problem that could happen. There's this
Speaker 1: this lung condition called evalue a Valley, which is e
Speaker 1: cigarettes and vaporized lung injury, which is being seen now
Speaker 1: more and more, which they they're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is new, so we don't really know what to
Speaker 1: call it and how to handle it. But what they
Speaker 1: found is that this vitamin E that's in the liquid
Speaker 1: that's in these bape pens can be causing lung injury
Speaker 1: to people. But they're also saying it's not just specific
Speaker 1: to that, so if they took vitamin E oil out
Speaker 1: of it, there could be something else that could be
Speaker 1: causing pulmonary injury to people. But it's just it's just
Speaker 1: like you're kind of swapping one problem for another problem,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, kids shouldn't be doing it, but like
Speaker 1: they're targeting and advertising these things to children. I've seen
Speaker 1: the videos on YouTube and stuff. It's like they're getting
Speaker 1: influencers to do it because they're not allowed to do
Speaker 1: advertisements anymore because of what happened with the cigarettes. So
Speaker 1: now they're like backdooring it and giving it to people
Speaker 1: that are making YouTube and TikTok videos. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Last Friday, this twenty six year old guy and his
Speaker 1: son were walking their three dogs by this local playground.
Speaker 1: Suddenly the dogs started attacking the man, so bystanders called
Speaker 1: nine on one tried to help to get the dogs
Speaker 1: off of him. They were hitting the dogs with golf
Speaker 1: clubs and shovels. They were excel bullies. Is that the
Speaker 1: same as a pit bull? Do you know? Pit bulls
Speaker 1: don't exist? Don't get the pitbull people all angry. Mix
Speaker 1: bulls don't exist. They don't. They will tell you they're
Speaker 1: not a thing. They're mixed breed dogs, and there's no
Speaker 1: such thing as a pitbull. I don't know, and I
Speaker 1: don't care. It's just kind of like, I'm kind of bored,
Speaker 1: honestly by every single week there being like ten articles
Speaker 1: about specific kinds of dogs. And it's not just these
Speaker 1: quote pitbulls, it's also other dogs. This week alone, a
Speaker 1: family had rott Wiler's that were like this. This little
Speaker 1: girl's pet her whole entire life. She's five, and they
Speaker 1: walled her to death. I mean, like we talk, we
Speaker 1: don't even talk about it because it happened so many
Speaker 1: times a week. But I guess one of my friends
Speaker 1: had one of these bullies, which was a bulldog red
Speaker 1: with a pitbull type dog. Right, but no, I don't
Speaker 1: know what an extra large one is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just like clearly they were just describing it as
Speaker 1: being this huge, muscular dog that was able to kill
Speaker 1: its owner. So it's like, right, yeah, So suddenly the
Speaker 1: dogs started attacking the guy, the owner out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: and then the bystanders were trying to, you know, beat
Speaker 1: the dogs off of them with the golf clubs and
Speaker 1: shovels and stuff, and the dogs would not lay up
Speaker 1: at all. One of the dogs ended up biting another
Speaker 1: guy that was trying to help in this situation, giving
Speaker 1: him serious injuries as well, but they had to wait
Speaker 1: till the cops got there. The cops tasered the dogs
Speaker 1: to get him off, which is so ridiculous. One of
Speaker 1: them got away. A local elementary school had to then
Speaker 1: go on lockdown. Think about other people in the playground
Speaker 1: and just taking walks too, and how dangerous that could
Speaker 1: have been. And then you know his son basically just
Speaker 1: I don't know how old the kid was, but watch
Speaker 1: his dad get mauled to death in front of him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's why I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: this particular story as opposed to the millions of other
Speaker 1: ones that we see all the time. It's just like
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy had these dogs right, brought it
Speaker 1: to a playground where there's a bunch of innocent people.
Speaker 1: When you look at the photos from the video, you're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that just looks like the local playground
Speaker 1: up the street where kids are on children are playing
Speaker 1: on the jungle gym and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 1: the dog freaking escaped. Did they ever find it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got all three dogs eventually. Yeah. So this dog
Speaker 1: that just killed a person is now running around and
Speaker 1: you get a call from your school that it's on
Speaker 1: lockdown because there's this like killer animal on the loose,
Speaker 1: Like it's so ridiculous. They're just I just feel like
Speaker 1: there needs to be some kind of regulations with and
Speaker 1: I don't really know where you draw the line, because
Speaker 1: people are coming at you for that you know, because
Speaker 1: anytime we have a story, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Guess what if my kids are playing outside, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want them to get bit by some dog that
Speaker 1: somebody shouldn't even know. And like you sit there and
Speaker 1: say that a human living in America can't have a
Speaker 1: tiger as a pet, right why because they attack people
Speaker 1: and kill people. They don't all do it like some
Speaker 1: people on Instagram have pumas as pets and shit like that,
Speaker 1: right if you raise it from when it's a baby
Speaker 1: and you don't beat it and shit, and it's all
Speaker 1: you know, it's all nicey nice and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But like you don't let animals like that just walk
Speaker 1: around to the park on a leash. Like sorry, This
Speaker 1: actually just happened on Housewives last week. One of the
Speaker 1: housewives showed up for their group trip or whatever, and
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, I'm not feeling well. I got
Speaker 1: bit by another dog at the dog park. And when
Speaker 1: they showed her injuries, I was like, how are you
Speaker 1: not losing your leg? It looked there was these insane
Speaker 1: puncture wounds in this woman's leg and arm and she
Speaker 1: was saying that the owner of that dog was in
Speaker 1: his car, taking a phone call, and just letting this
Speaker 1: dog roam around the dog park unattended. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent of lawsuit in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's and that's what's scary. It's like people get
Speaker 1: these dogs because they want to look like they're a
Speaker 1: bad ass carrying these dogs around, and they don't really
Speaker 1: understand like that situation with that guy, Like luckily the
Speaker 1: dogs just killed the owner. I mean, it's terrible that
Speaker 1: the sun even had to watch that because the whole
Speaker 1: entire thing was just completely avoidable. But just to think
Speaker 1: that that could have just there, could have just been
Speaker 1: like a mom there with their three year old pushing
Speaker 1: the kid on the swing, and that kid could have
Speaker 1: been It's just like this just doesn't even need to
Speaker 1: be a problem. It needs to be more regulated, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can do it, because they're
Speaker 1: like all dogs can bite, right, Chihuahuas can bite. This
Speaker 1: is the big argument that they like to have that
Speaker 1: chihuahuas bite more than pippoles do. An adult human could
Speaker 1: manage a chihuahua. Most adult humans can't handle one of
Speaker 1: these extra large dogs, let alone three of them at
Speaker 1: the same time. And the thing is that I understand
Speaker 1: that there's lots of people that have Like one of
Speaker 1: my best friends has two German Shepherds, which are dogs
Speaker 1: that like are that bite, they're known to bite and
Speaker 1: rattwaer's and everything. She's she's like a dog mom. They're
Speaker 1: her children. They're great and this and that. But then
Speaker 1: when they get into the wrong hands and they're not
Speaker 1: trained properly, or the just whatever whatever it is to
Speaker 1: cause these dogs to snap. It's the same with with
Speaker 1: the with the little kid the other day, like five
Speaker 1: years old. The dogs were older than the kids. So
Speaker 1: the dogs have been there since that kid got brought
Speaker 1: into the house for five whole years. Not a problem, never,
Speaker 1: they said, anyway, not a problem, never bought, no aggression, all.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It's an animal, Like what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Like, but it's it's just it happens all
Speaker 1: the time. Like what's the solution. I don't know, just
Speaker 1: keep saying just like keep protecting it and saying like
Speaker 1: nothing to see here. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think we're ever going to be in
Speaker 1: a place really where these types of animals get banned
Speaker 1: from being able to be owned. But I think maybe
Speaker 1: there needs to be a rule that, you know, one
Speaker 1: adult prorogressive animal, because an adult certainly can barely handle
Speaker 1: one of them, let alone three of them at the
Speaker 1: same time. And it's ridiculous that the dogs had to
Speaker 1: get tasered to get them off of the person, and
Speaker 1: that other people risk their lives and risk getting injured
Speaker 1: to help this person. Not even tasered, they were getting
Speaker 1: beaten with shovels and shit. I which, you know, I
Speaker 1: actually commend the people that tried to intervene because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have I honestly, like, because that thing gets loose
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like it's attacking you.
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Speaker 1: True crime all right, the story with one gagillion layers,
Speaker 1: Luigi Manngioni. We have a lot of updates and there
Speaker 1: are just I feel like new stories coming out every
Speaker 1: single day related to this case. Yeah, It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy, like how this case has taken such turns
Speaker 1: when we've just talked about it last last week. Right,
Speaker 1: so it's only been one week, Well it's been two
Speaker 1: about two weeks since one week did the crime and
Speaker 1: one week since he's been found. He was found Monday, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was found last Monday when we were like in
Speaker 1: the middle of writing about it. That was I don't
Speaker 1: understand how people are journalists because we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of writing this and every five minutes there's a new
Speaker 1: update and I'm like, Oh, I have to change what
Speaker 1: I just wrote. I have to change what I just wrote.
Speaker 1: It's very stressful to be like trying to keep the
Speaker 1: most up to date as of this episode. They're already
Speaker 1: working on a documentary about him, which I think is
Speaker 1: so outrageous. And then there's you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: confusion about his charges right now. So right now, officials
Speaker 1: don't believe that he will be charged with the death
Speaker 1: penalty because they don't think he's eligible for a federal crime.
Speaker 1: And in New York they don't have the death penalty,
Speaker 1: they haven't had it for about the last two decades.
Speaker 1: So he's been charged with second degree murder, which I
Speaker 1: feel like most of us are used to knowing as
Speaker 1: murdering somebody but not planning it out, and as we know,
Speaker 1: in this case, it seemed to be very strategic and
Speaker 1: planned out well. In New York City, under New York Lie,
Speaker 1: they only consider first degree murders as a charge that
Speaker 1: applies to only a couple of crimes, which includes the
Speaker 1: victim being a judge, a police officer, or a first responder.
Speaker 1: So I think that's interesting that New York law differs
Speaker 1: so much from what we're used to. It is interesting
Speaker 1: because do you think that that's possible. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: he decided to do it there, just because if he
Speaker 1: did get caught, he would I mean second degree murder.
Speaker 1: Is is there a chance of him going to prison
Speaker 1: for life or like there's a high chance that he's
Speaker 1: not going to get in that kind of trouble for
Speaker 1: this Well, I think he could potentially have life. I
Speaker 1: don't want to speak to whether or not he would
Speaker 1: be eligible for parole or not, because I just don't
Speaker 1: know the answer to it. But I do think it
Speaker 1: was strategic because you know, New York State does not
Speaker 1: have the death penalty, so you know that's not on
Speaker 1: the table. And then I think it is interesting because
Speaker 1: I didn't know until this case that they had different
Speaker 1: definitions of first degree and second degree murder. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but so many crazy things are happening, So
Speaker 1: let's start talking about the semi copycat that already happened.
Speaker 1: This week. Yeah, so this woman in Florida was on
Speaker 1: the phone with her insurance company. They denied her claim,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the recorded phone call, you
Speaker 1: could hear her say, delay, deny, depose you people are next.
Speaker 1: So obviously she got arrested pretty quickly after saying that.
Speaker 1: Is she like a fucking moron? Really, Like you are
Speaker 1: a fucking moron. Listen, even if you agree with everything
Speaker 1: he did and everything, you have to understand that's saying
Speaker 1: something like that on a recorded phone call with somebody
Speaker 1: in the same industry is going to get you in trouble.
Speaker 1: How could you seriously think that was gonna slip under
Speaker 1: the radar with how high profile this is. This lady
Speaker 1: is forty two years old, so she's around my age,
Speaker 1: and she has three kids, and apparently she's a nuclear
Speaker 1: med tech at a hospital or a medical center something,
Speaker 1: so she's got a good job. Like she's a fucking idiot. Seriously, Like,
Speaker 1: what did she say? Yeah? And her in her defense,
Speaker 1: she was saying like she was defending her actions, saying
Speaker 1: she only said those things because they were hot in
Speaker 1: the news right now. But then she went on to
Speaker 1: say that the healthcare companies quote deserve karma and they're
Speaker 1: quote evil. So I'm like, you're saying you're not a threat,
Speaker 1: you're saying you only use the words because they're fresh
Speaker 1: in your mind. But then you're wrapping right around and
Speaker 1: saying that they are bad and evil and they deserve it.
Speaker 1: So what are you doing? What does she think is
Speaker 1: gonna happen? She's a terrible mother, actually, because like, listen,
Speaker 1: everybody in the world's got opinions, right, keep your fucking
Speaker 1: mouth shut because you're not changing anything or doing anything.
Speaker 1: And now you're you could potentially go to jail. You're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna lose your job, you could go to jail
Speaker 1: and like not be with your kids over what like
Speaker 1: because you had to say that out loud, like it
Speaker 1: did nothing. You're a fucking idiot. So she was charged
Speaker 1: with threats to conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's considered a federal charge, which
Speaker 1: think about heavy charge. Think about if she gets a
Speaker 1: worse sentence than Luigi does, because her crime may qualify
Speaker 1: as a federal crime, where murder does not qualify as
Speaker 1: a federal crime unless you're hiring a hitman to cross
Speaker 1: state lines. So think about the potential of her getting
Speaker 1: a worse sentence than the guy that actually committed the
Speaker 1: crime just because you said something in the heat of
Speaker 1: the moment. Even if she gets off of this completely somehow,
Speaker 1: which I don't know, because I feel like they're going
Speaker 1: to make an example of her, so people stop doing
Speaker 1: dumbshit like this. Like even if she's just a regular person, right,
Speaker 1: so she does not seemingly like, you know, a multi
Speaker 1: millionaire like the Luigi guy is. She's just a person
Speaker 1: that works at a hospital and doesn't seem to have
Speaker 1: life millions of dollars sitting at a bank account. So
Speaker 1: she's she's just ruining the quality of life for her children.
Speaker 1: That's all that she did. Right now, She didn't She's
Speaker 1: not some kind of hero, she's not things. She just
Speaker 1: ruined the quality of life for her children. She'll probably
Speaker 1: I would like to say that she's never going to
Speaker 1: be able to work in healthcare again because of this,
Speaker 1: which means that her associates and bachelor's degree that she
Speaker 1: has a nuclear medicine is was a waste of time
Speaker 1: because she can't even do that as a job anymore.
Speaker 1: And and for what like the legal fees that she's
Speaker 1: going to have, even though there are gofundmeans to get
Speaker 1: money for her legal fees. It's just it's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who would donate money to that because
Speaker 1: she's a stupid person. Why would you give a stupid
Speaker 1: person money. We'll get more on that later, but I
Speaker 1: think I can all agree that. You know, we've had,
Speaker 1: you know, a really frustrating phone call with some type
Speaker 1: of customer service, and we've all said things of the
Speaker 1: heat of the moment. One time, I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with my key provider when I was living with
Speaker 1: my roommate a couple of years ago. The person was
Speaker 1: being extremely unhelpful. It was something the company did that
Speaker 1: caused my internet to not work, and then I thought
Speaker 1: I hung up and I was like, that person's a
Speaker 1: fucking asshole. And then they called me back and said,
Speaker 1: I heard you. Well, you know what that company is.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're you're talking about that they
Speaker 1: like have the ability to completely embrage you. And but
Speaker 1: you're but you're right, there's lots of different Like I
Speaker 1: see what the other side saying, Well, like you not
Speaker 1: having the internet is not the same as like you
Speaker 1: not being able to get medicine that you need or
Speaker 1: health insurance, sure need. Like but and and trust me, like,
Speaker 1: prior to this happening, they probably got similar threats like
Speaker 1: this all the time. But because that dude shot and
Speaker 1: killed that dude, now it's like real, it's real, and
Speaker 1: it happened, and now it could happen again, and and
Speaker 1: like the worst part is is that how he's being
Speaker 1: held such a hero is on only going to further
Speaker 1: fuel people like this lady to feel in bold and
Speaker 1: like empowered to say something like this, because and like
Speaker 1: that's that's not helping. That's not going to help anything.
Speaker 1: It's just going to make people feel like they could
Speaker 1: go around killing people all the time for things. It's
Speaker 1: just like not the way to go about things. I think,
Speaker 1: regardless about how you feel about the situation overall, I
Speaker 1: think you need to realistically expect that if you threaten somebody,
Speaker 1: you're going to get in trouble for it. That's it's
Speaker 1: just regardless. Was that, regardless of the situation is not
Speaker 1: so black and white, you know. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: whole group of people that could argue, fuck those people
Speaker 1: what she said, I agree with She did the right thing.
Speaker 1: There's a whole other group of people that like, she's
Speaker 1: a monster. Why would you say something like that? How
Speaker 1: are you so insensitive? Regardless of where you stand on
Speaker 1: either side, you just have to understand the consequence when
Speaker 1: you there and another person. And that's just the basics
Speaker 1: of it. So, but to talk about this backpack company,
Speaker 1: So the founder of the backpack company, Peak Design, is
Speaker 1: also facing a lot of criticism because he tipped off
Speaker 1: the police line that Luigi was wearing one of their bags.
Speaker 1: So this is interesting because this has happened in lots
Speaker 1: of crimes, you know that they could try Remember when
Speaker 1: we were taught, we were covering that case, the Boy
Speaker 1: in the Box. Yeah, so, and I don't know the
Speaker 1: exact details off of the top of my head, but
Speaker 1: they're in Philadelphia years ago, was it like fifty years ago?
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. They found this this
Speaker 1: random dead child inside of a box. And with that box,
Speaker 1: they were able to determine that it was a it
Speaker 1: was a box from a Bacinet or something that was
Speaker 1: purchased at like J. C. Pennies, And they were able
Speaker 1: to track the serial number and see what store it
Speaker 1: was bought at and stuff like this is this is
Speaker 1: just like old school police work kind of thing to
Speaker 1: be able to say, oh, that guy didn't They do
Speaker 1: it with the coburger on too, Like they found what
Speaker 1: knife it was and where it was sold and everything
Speaker 1: just based upon the sheath that they found. They do,
Speaker 1: and that's how they try to find people who dig
Speaker 1: crimes or connect them to it. I think you know,
Speaker 1: a big concern that people have with this case is
Speaker 1: that their backpacks have serial numbers in them, and they
Speaker 1: have privacy concerns with their purchases. I saw other people
Speaker 1: pointing out that they're worried if they had bought a
Speaker 1: backpack from this company and then they sold it on
Speaker 1: a secondhand website or to a friend or something, what
Speaker 1: if that person commits a crime, are they going to
Speaker 1: be liable for the crime because the serial number matches them.
Speaker 1: But to your point, this is old school police work.
Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to how they id cars that
Speaker 1: are found or using crimes. It's the same thing. They're
Speaker 1: just doing basic tracking techniques. Yeah. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: and if you're not killing people, like like listen, anything
Speaker 1: that you buy, if you if you murder something and
Speaker 1: it's involved in the murder, then you're going they're going
Speaker 1: to try to track it. I don't see why anybody
Speaker 1: really has a problem with that, Like what's the privacy concern?
Speaker 1: So he fucking killed somebody, Like we we could sit
Speaker 1: here and talk about the reasons or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: it's against the law in the United States to murder
Speaker 1: a person, so it needs to be he needs to
Speaker 1: go to trial and get investigated like every other fucking
Speaker 1: person does or should, and then they could it could
Speaker 1: be determined, Like listen, he might go to court and
Speaker 1: then Jory might stay not guilty and he could be free,
Speaker 1: and we need to respect that. But until then, he
Speaker 1: broke a law, and we need to like investigate that law.
Speaker 1: You can't be threatening people that they're that they're a snitch,
Speaker 1: like he killed somebody. It just just like blows my
Speaker 1: fucking mind, honestly, all Right, So I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this like really similar thing that happened in Philly.
Speaker 1: So during the riots a couple of years ago, you know,
Speaker 1: people were flipping police cars over and setting them on fire,
Speaker 1: and then photographers were at the scene taking pictures of
Speaker 1: all this. And in this one particular photo, the police
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out who set this cop car
Speaker 1: on fire. It's a crime to do something like that,
Speaker 1: so they deserved it, that's what people think. But anyway,
Speaker 1: in the pictures, most of the people are wearing masks
Speaker 1: or their faces are covered, so they were having a
Speaker 1: really hard time identifying the people that were setting the
Speaker 1: cop cars on fire. This was what was really interesting
Speaker 1: to me. In one of the pictures, there was a
Speaker 1: female wearing a very specific T shirt and they were
Speaker 1: able to I guess Google reverse image to search. Google
Speaker 1: reverse searched the image, you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: They were able to figure out where the shirt came from,
Speaker 1: and it was this very unique shirt from Etsy. So
Speaker 1: then they went to the Etsy shop and they went
Speaker 1: through all the orders and they figured out who found
Speaker 1: it through. That's what they should do. That's what cops do.
Speaker 1: And that person got arrested. Okay, so then they got arrested,
Speaker 1: and then that's what should happen, and then the jury
Speaker 1: could decide if they should be in trouble or not,
Speaker 1: because that's how it works in this country. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's like, you know, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're committing a crime, it's just it's not that hard
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four to find people, right, Like, even
Speaker 1: if I see a T shirt I like on TV,
Speaker 1: I'll take a picture of my TV, go to Google
Speaker 1: and reverse image search it and I will find it.
Speaker 1: So of course, when you're wearing a really specific T shirt,
Speaker 1: not just like a black long sleeve shirt or black
Speaker 1: T shirt, somebody's gonna probably be able to find it. Really,
Speaker 1: this guy and this is this is what's really sad
Speaker 1: because I feel it's the same exact thing with you
Speaker 1: could talk about two different companies right now. You could
Speaker 1: talk about McDonald's and now this backpack company. This guy
Speaker 1: is like a backpack company, and it's not like a
Speaker 1: huge corporation like JanSport or something. It's like the guys.
Speaker 1: The guy's just trying to make a living. He has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with like anything, and he's he gets
Speaker 1: pulled into it because a murderer is wearing his product.
Speaker 1: And now not only like he said when he called
Speaker 1: to report it, that that was his company, he said
Speaker 1: that they already had had multiple tips that that backpack
Speaker 1: was from that company, and if they were onto it,
Speaker 1: if he called or not, he was going to get
Speaker 1: a court order to give over his customers exactly, So
Speaker 1: he's he's screwed either way, just because the guy. Now, like,
Speaker 1: what is if the cops come to him and say
Speaker 1: we need the records from this particular model of backpack,
Speaker 1: he can't say no legally or hol go to jail
Speaker 1: for withholding evidence. So if he gives it, then he's
Speaker 1: a snitch. Like it. People just don't even think of
Speaker 1: the positions people are in. It's the same shit with
Speaker 1: the McDonald's, Like, what the fuck does McDonald's have to
Speaker 1: do with this guy who killed someone and happened to
Speaker 1: be sitting there at that moment in timey in a
Speaker 1: hash brown, Like people are leaving negative reviews on that
Speaker 1: particular location of the McDonald's that's an individually owned franchise,
Speaker 1: that you're fucking somebody's business up because that it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with this guy. I think we could,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just like people are fucking idiots sometimes,
Speaker 1: I swear, even take yourself out of this situation and
Speaker 1: how you feel other way, just think about anything that
Speaker 1: happens in life anymore. People are just so easy to
Speaker 1: make a TikTok, leave a review or anything. I think
Speaker 1: people are just like unwell because if this, if the
Speaker 1: slightest thing happens that you do not like, people are
Speaker 1: the first to jump on TikTok and make a video
Speaker 1: talking shit about it. You know. The craziest thing to
Speaker 1: me is that there's always, like, throughout history and stuff,
Speaker 1: you always could think about people from any side, and
Speaker 1: whatever you think about, there's always like certain things that
Speaker 1: most people could agree with. And shit got so fucking
Speaker 1: weird in the past couple of years. Like I used
Speaker 1: to think that if you said to somebody, what do
Speaker 1: you think about grown ups having sex with children? That
Speaker 1: every single person in the country would be like fuck them,
Speaker 1: Like those people are discussing human beings, and now there's
Speaker 1: people that like, they don't they want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily disagree with it. Like then you think, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe we could all agree that murder's bad, right, we
Speaker 1: all could say, like you shouldn't be able to go
Speaker 1: up to somebody in the middle of New York City
Speaker 1: and shoot them in the head because you disagree with
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And now it's like you can like,
Speaker 1: how could you how could we ever? Like you have
Speaker 1: the nice people if we can't keep on like these basic,
Speaker 1: these basic human things. But then people will come back
Speaker 1: at you and say, what's the difference if that guy
Speaker 1: got murdered because he killed many more people with his
Speaker 1: horrible policies. Yeah, and so did doctor Fauci, and and
Speaker 1: and I could go on the list of thousands. I
Speaker 1: could name fifty people off the top of my head
Speaker 1: right now that like, how about people that do brownouts
Speaker 1: on fire companies and people that are short staffed in
Speaker 1: police departments and blah blah blah. There's always there's always
Speaker 1: somebody like I bring this example up of like some
Speaker 1: of my old bosses at the hospital that would just
Speaker 1: like cut corners all the time and cut staff and
Speaker 1: overwork the staff that was there. And people's cancer what
Speaker 1: and get diagnosed correctly or this that or the other,
Speaker 1: which ultimate will lead to them dying, Like you could
Speaker 1: just you could talk about it so many people, right,
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's move on. Speaking of VETSI, they
Speaker 1: removed Luigi Merch because people were making ornament t shirts
Speaker 1: and everything, and they there was a gofunme that started,
Speaker 1: but gofunn took it down. But there is another active
Speaker 1: fundraising website which has raised over one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. It's so funny how you like you could
Speaker 1: see all of these kits and it's it's a lot
Speaker 1: of it is like young people that are just it
Speaker 1: just can't think for themselves and they just jump on
Speaker 1: the latest trend. You can really write a list of
Speaker 1: all of the different things that have happened over the
Speaker 1: couple years and been like this is the trending thing.
Speaker 1: So now it's like the trending thing for all these
Speaker 1: people to be doing these posts saying they were with
Speaker 1: Luigi between that time period for an albi. Have you
Speaker 1: seen those? No, there's like all these people will post
Speaker 1: a picture of them like under a Christmas tree with
Speaker 1: him cropped into it, and they'll say I was with
Speaker 1: Luigi on December fourth between the hours of six am
Speaker 1: and six pm or something like that, like saying that
Speaker 1: they are his alibi. But there's like lots of people
Speaker 1: posting it, just like randos, but they're all they're all
Speaker 1: young people. It's a trend whatever, Like let me be
Speaker 1: cool with my friends. Yeah, just get out. I'm exhausted
Speaker 1: by this topic. I just want to move on. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, influencer Hannah Hyatt is being investigated by police
Speaker 1: after posting a video where her son appeared to be
Speaker 1: flinching and afraid of her and her husband. So I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I found the video and like half of it is
Speaker 1: blurred out. She apparently took it down. So do you
Speaker 1: have any insight on this? Because it looked like the
Speaker 1: kid was sitting in a shop and car and the
Speaker 1: dad was like going to put a box in the
Speaker 1: car and the kid like jumped back, and all these
Speaker 1: people are saying that he was flinching, like he was
Speaker 1: scared he was gonna get hit or something. How could
Speaker 1: you possibly tell that from a video. I'm not even
Speaker 1: defending her, Listen, I have a serious problem with people
Speaker 1: using their children heavily on social media, So I just
Speaker 1: try to put that out there. I'm not defending her,
Speaker 1: but like, how can you seriously tell something like that
Speaker 1: from a video to the point where child protective services
Speaker 1: is involved? Well, I think child protective services have to
Speaker 1: be involved if people call them if they can't ignore
Speaker 1: the calls. So right there, that doesn't mean that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything. I I and like I said, the whole
Speaker 1: like literally half the video was blurred out, so I
Speaker 1: couldn't see the kid's face, but I saw what it
Speaker 1: looked like. The guy was like holding a box in
Speaker 1: the freezer section and like going to like put it
Speaker 1: into the car, and maybe the kid flinched because they
Speaker 1: thought that the box was coming too close to their
Speaker 1: face or something like. I don't really know because I
Speaker 1: couldn't one hundred percent make it out. But I do
Speaker 1: think that it's almost fucked up to start a viral
Speaker 1: claim that a kid looks like like they're getting child abused,
Speaker 1: when what if that's like genuinely didn't happen, and now
Speaker 1: you're publicly accusing a father of beating their child, and
Speaker 1: even if it's proven that that doesn't happen, like those
Speaker 1: accusations never really go away, Like that's always going to
Speaker 1: be like permanently tattooed on this guy. I think the
Speaker 1: bigger conversation we need to have is, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't see a problem with people posting photos and everything
Speaker 1: of their kids, their little funny moments here or there,
Speaker 1: But when your primary content involves your child, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how you're being a present mother and well we
Speaker 1: should just die. And you could argue that they're setting
Speaker 1: their self up. You're putting yourself out there for that.
Speaker 1: And there were other videos too. I guess there was
Speaker 1: another video where she was like how many dirty diapers
Speaker 1: can you find around the house? And there was like
Speaker 1: seventeen diapers or something in this video all around the
Speaker 1: house up in this corner, in this corner, and like
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's people will say, oh, they're they're
Speaker 1: they're living in unsanitary conditions and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: like when you point it was probably it probably isn't
Speaker 1: even real. That's the thing. Like people make videos and
Speaker 1: it's like they're the kids will tell me about these
Speaker 1: videos all the time, and I'm like, that didn't even happen.
Speaker 1: They completely set that up. Like this mister Beasts guy
Speaker 1: has like a whole staff behind these cameras. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of it is just like set up shit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I don't know, so I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not defending her either. I think that I
Speaker 1: think that she's just another person that's like a nurse
Speaker 1: or something that's doing this with the kids. And you're
Speaker 1: just like why, like now, like if you're under investigation
Speaker 1: for child abuse, I'm not sure that you could be
Speaker 1: a nurse and work in a hospital. I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, like just fucking stupid. But but listen,
Speaker 1: Like there's a real case that happened this Ruby Frank
Speaker 1: Lady for recovered it a bunch. Yeah, So so this
Speaker 1: has happened where there was a mom influencer on YouTube
Speaker 1: that had millions of followers who was actually abusing her
Speaker 1: children to the point where she was tying them up
Speaker 1: and not feeding them. And the kid escaped the house
Speaker 1: and had raw marks on the around their hands and
Speaker 1: legs where they were like had rope tied around them
Speaker 1: too tight, which is a chronic wound. It's not something
Speaker 1: that just happened from a one time thing. And she
Speaker 1: got charged with what aggravated child abuse and like she's
Speaker 1: in prison right now, right I don't know the status
Speaker 1: of where she is right now. I think that so
Speaker 1: many people are using their children in their social media
Speaker 1: that they're literally making laws about the children getting paid
Speaker 1: from being in the videos. Which is so ridiculous to
Speaker 1: think that so many kids are on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram
Speaker 1: and everything that they are now getting a cut of
Speaker 1: money that their parents are making off of using them,
Speaker 1: which they should. They should. I'm just saying the amount
Speaker 1: of children being used in that way is ridiculous. It's
Speaker 1: it's just similar to you know, we watch like Disney
Speaker 1: Channel shows with kids and their kid actors. Right, it's
Speaker 1: literally the same thing like when you have And we
Speaker 1: know this because we have a social media channel that
Speaker 1: we don't even post anywhere nearly as much as some
Speaker 1: of these people do. It's it's a job. And to
Speaker 1: think every single time we do a post, we would
Speaker 1: have to go to our kids and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you need to come here and work because we need
Speaker 1: to make this video. It's a job for them and
Speaker 1: they should. They should get paid and have some kind
Speaker 1: of protections. You could say that they are living the
Speaker 1: money because usually a parent will buy a better house
Speaker 1: or a better car or whatever. But like, ultimately the
Speaker 1: parents can blow through all the money and the child
Speaker 1: will have nothing and they're completely exploited by the time
Speaker 1: they're an adult. So they should have some kind of
Speaker 1: rights as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Ellen Greenberg. We talked about her on this show in August.
Speaker 1: We talked about her quite a lot in the gross Room.
Speaker 1: She is the teacher that was found dead back in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. It was initially ruled a homicide, then switched
Speaker 1: to a suicide, but her family is working to get
Speaker 1: the manner of death switch back to homicide or undetermined,
Speaker 1: and now her fiance at the time of her death
Speaker 1: is speaking out for the first time since. So obviously
Speaker 1: with this case, it's just a big We did a
Speaker 1: high profile death dis section on this two years ago now,
Speaker 1: and we really broke it down. It's two parts, and
Speaker 1: it just really goes through the autopsy report and breaks
Speaker 1: down every single thing that was seen, and you can
Speaker 1: listen to one side of the story and say it
Speaker 1: was definitely suicide, or one side of the story and
Speaker 1: say it was definitely homicide, whatever it ends up being
Speaker 1: if they do ever reopen the case and look into
Speaker 1: it more. The boyfriend at the time or the fiance
Speaker 1: at the time, had a lot of suspicious behavior around
Speaker 1: around her death, and that's why he's always been had
Speaker 1: the spot light on him. And in addition to that,
Speaker 1: he had some people in his family that like, what
Speaker 1: did they work for the DA's office or something. There
Speaker 1: was there was some there was something with one of
Speaker 1: the uncles or something that he called right away after
Speaker 1: it happened, and he was a higher up person in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia government as far as that's concerned. So and just
Speaker 1: the whole entire way that the death went down. So
Speaker 1: let's say, let's say suicide, right, there's definitely things that
Speaker 1: we could say were suicide. She didn't have any history
Speaker 1: of suicidal ideations, but she was very anxious because she
Speaker 1: was getting married and so much so she couldn't sleep
Speaker 1: or anything, and she was being she was having doctor's
Speaker 1: appointments with a psychiatrist that she only saw two or
Speaker 1: three times over the course of two weeks, and during
Speaker 1: that time she was given multiple psychiatric drugs, including zoloft.
Speaker 1: So this just happened within a two week period. She
Speaker 1: was given zoloft and then they said she said it
Speaker 1: wasn't working, which I was under the assumption that an
Speaker 1: SSRI takes at least two weeks to give the full effects.
Speaker 1: Then they switched her to xanax. Then they prescribed her
Speaker 1: ambient and Kuanipinus sleep. All of those drugs have they
Speaker 1: can have a history of causing people to have psychotic episodes,
Speaker 1: so that alone could have caused her to be suicidal.
Speaker 1: At the time and psychosis like doing something like stabbing
Speaker 1: yourself multiple times. Also, the forensic evidence showed that she
Speaker 1: there was no DNA on the weapon or her clothes
Speaker 1: except hers. There was no other foreign DNA, which means
Speaker 1: nothing because a person could go around that by wearing
Speaker 1: gloves or something like that. Also, in the autopsy report,
Speaker 1: it did say that she had stabbed herself in then,
Speaker 1: but she had nicked the dora matter, which is the
Speaker 1: covering around the spinal cord, but did not sever it,
Speaker 1: which would have caused her to still be capable to
Speaker 1: use it to use her arms to do additional stab wounds.
Speaker 1: But the biggest, the biggest fight against this is that
Speaker 1: the autopsy report in itself and the person that performed
Speaker 1: the autopsy was just such a complete shit show that
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know what happened, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why the report is so important. Could you
Speaker 1: argue that if you if like the medical examiner, I know,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do this. I'm just saying, could
Speaker 1: you argue that if the medical examiner goes into a
Speaker 1: case thinking it's a certain way, that they're only looking
Speaker 1: for signs of that, so that when then you when
Speaker 1: you want to change it and go back and evaluate it,
Speaker 1: they might not have other information that could be helpful
Speaker 1: in changing the cause of death. Yeah, and I one
Speaker 1: hundred percent that think that's a possibility in this case,
Speaker 1: just because he did initially roll it a homicide. So
Speaker 1: he gets he gets the body, you know, he gets
Speaker 1: the whole investigative report too, before the body. But when
Speaker 1: he's at the medical examiner's office, opens the body bag
Speaker 1: and has this body, and all he reads is she
Speaker 1: was stabbed twenty times, found in her apartment by her boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Like all these specific facts is they didn't have all
Speaker 1: of the evidence of the kaisha obviously, they didn't know
Speaker 1: about the DNA yet and all of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: that's I don't I don't I think that any person
Speaker 1: in the world would be like, Okay, you got stabbed
Speaker 1: twenty times or whatever, like clearly somebody did this. But
Speaker 1: like when you're a medical examiner, you just need to
Speaker 1: keep your mind open that this could be anything. But
Speaker 1: he initially rolled it a homicide, which makes me think, yes,
Speaker 1: that he did go into the autopsy thinking it was
Speaker 1: a homicide and just was documenting these stab wounds. But
Speaker 1: this medical examiner particular in Philadelphia had multiple reprimanded letters
Speaker 1: for being sloppy with his autopsy reports, and like, the
Speaker 1: bottom line is that her body, her autopsy's done, and
Speaker 1: her body's gone, and there's no one to go back
Speaker 1: and look at what was there except the documentation that
Speaker 1: he provided and what they could look at with whatever
Speaker 1: sections they took under the microscope. And one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things that they say in this case is that
Speaker 1: the injury to her spinal cord. So if it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: they only like the knife tip but pushed the spinal
Speaker 1: cord but didn't do anything, then yes, she could have
Speaker 1: used her arms. But if it could it even a
Speaker 1: little bit, then she wouldn't have been able to There's
Speaker 1: things like that, like how could she have done that?
Speaker 1: And she would have already been dead or she would
Speaker 1: have been paralyzed or whatever. But like now there's no
Speaker 1: going back kind of so now you just have to
Speaker 1: look at what evidence is available. She had multiple searches
Speaker 1: on her computer computer during the time of taking all
Speaker 1: those weird drugs that were referencing suicide. Perhaps there was
Speaker 1: she was looking up suffocation, suicide methods, sex fantasy death
Speaker 1: electrocuted by death in a bathtub. Just weird things like
Speaker 1: that that make you think like, yeah, it's it's possible,
Speaker 1: even though she wasn't talking about suicide, that she could
Speaker 1: have because of these drugs, and that maybe that psychiatrist
Speaker 1: that prescribed her that concoction should be looked into as well.
Speaker 1: But then the fiance was acting weird as hell afterwards
Speaker 1: too and has been silent, untild. Now how long ago
Speaker 1: did this happen. It was in twenty eleven, Yeah, thirteen
Speaker 1: years thirteen years ago. So that makes you think like, well, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? And that doesn't make him guilty
Speaker 1: though it does, It doesn't. It doesn't make him guilty.
Speaker 1: I just think that when you and and listen, like
Speaker 1: this is one thing that we learned, like everybody acts
Speaker 1: different when someone dies, like even in your family or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just like everyone handles death differently. It just was
Speaker 1: like the whole and I don't know all of the
Speaker 1: d tells about how he acted. I just remember when
Speaker 1: I wrote it up, I was just kind of like,
Speaker 1: this is a little weird how it's all handled. I
Speaker 1: feel like he didn't he like call his uncle before
Speaker 1: he called nine one one or something weird. It just
Speaker 1: was like stuff that you just normally wouldn't do. You can't.
Speaker 1: You just can't say that because you've never been in
Speaker 1: a position like that, So you just can't say that.
Speaker 1: I can say it. I just said it. Obviously the
Speaker 1: right thing to do is to call the police first,
Speaker 1: but some people are in serious state of shock that
Speaker 1: they don't know what to do. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: like the nine one one call sounds Have you ever
Speaker 1: listened to it? It sounds a little stage. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just the whole thing is just weird. But the bottom
Speaker 1: line is is that the biggest thing to learn from
Speaker 1: this case is that the autopsy report, if it was
Speaker 1: done by like a legit person, this wouldn't even have
Speaker 1: been a question. And now you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's really important to make sure that your report
Speaker 1: is like as accurate as can be because in this case,
Speaker 1: it's you know what I mean, it's it's it's so important.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the actual story, which is what he
Speaker 1: said speaking out because we've already explained this case a
Speaker 1: bunch of times. The fiance is saying, I hope and
Speaker 1: pray that you never lose someone you love like I
Speaker 1: did to a terrible disease, meaning mental health, and then
Speaker 1: be accused by ignorant and misinformed people of causing her death.
Speaker 1: If you're really writing a truthful story, dig deeper and
Speaker 1: please do some good by raising awareness for mental health.
Speaker 1: So I think you know, it's been all these years
Speaker 1: and he's probably just it's a dramatic thing to go through.
Speaker 1: Whether he did it questionably or not. I mean, right
Speaker 1: now he didn't because he's not been convicted of it,
Speaker 1: but the case has been coming up a lot recently.
Speaker 1: They're re looking at the case and trying to change
Speaker 1: the manner of death. And now I think Nancy's writing
Speaker 1: an entire book about it, so it's pretty hot. I
Speaker 1: think they didn't they just say a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago that they're not opening it again or something. I don't, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly know. I think I think that's I think we
Speaker 1: talked about that on here. Actually, well we talked about
Speaker 1: back in August that they were going to look at
Speaker 1: it and see if it was eligible to be I
Speaker 1: think maybe we didn't talk about it when we happened,
Speaker 1: but I think they said at this time they're not.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't. They're not looking into it anymore.
Speaker 1: So obviously the parents are still going to try to
Speaker 1: keep appealing it. And but like, like, look at this
Speaker 1: from the parent's perspective, it's like you get a call
Speaker 1: that your daughter's dead, which is just tragic, and then
Speaker 1: you find out that the preliminary autopsy reports at homicide.
Speaker 1: So now, in your mind, your child was murdered by somebody,
Speaker 1: and who you're gonna think it was her fiance, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't fame the parents at all for fighting. And
Speaker 1: then like a couple of days later or whatever, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: never mind, it was suicide. You would be like, what
Speaker 1: she did, She wasn't even suicidal. But you know, people
Speaker 1: are suicidal all the time and their parents don't know it.
Speaker 1: So that's that's one thing. But from her parents' perspective,
Speaker 1: I would be this. Every single person would be the
Speaker 1: same way, like, how the hell do you say this
Speaker 1: was a homicide and then change it to suicide? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't blame I don't blame them for fighting in
Speaker 1: it at all, because the report was sloppy, and that's
Speaker 1: like the central point of this at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. And then I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: just have a really hard time accepting if it was
Speaker 1: if what really happened was that she died by suicide.
Speaker 1: I think some people have a really hard time just
Speaker 1: accepting that as the true answer. Yeah, I especially when
Speaker 1: you have the most sloppy, all topsy report of all times.
Speaker 1: So and listen, like, even if this is my opinion
Speaker 1: and this could be whatever, But even if they reopen
Speaker 1: the case and go through everything, I don't know that
Speaker 1: they're really ever going to get the answer they want
Speaker 1: because there's just unless. The only saving thing, which I
Speaker 1: never really got to the bottom of this, is if
Speaker 1: they took like if he was talking about that spinal
Speaker 1: cord injury and he took very good photographs of it.
Speaker 1: That's the only way that they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to go through this again and say that injury. If
Speaker 1: she had that injury, there's no way she could have
Speaker 1: done anything else with her arms at that point. That
Speaker 1: But if they don't, if they don't have a photograph
Speaker 1: and all they have is in writing what he saw,
Speaker 1: then it's nothing can really change. It's just somebody analyzing
Speaker 1: the data that's already there. Differently, Yeah, Okay, medical news,
Speaker 1: we only have one story this week, but it's just unusual.
Speaker 1: But this guy would not take talk to warn others though.
Speaker 1: While he was at the gym, he put a towel
Speaker 1: down on a piece of equipment then picked it up
Speaker 1: to rub his face. After that, he thought he had
Speaker 1: contracted pink eye, but it actually turned out to be chmydia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess the video is showing this other doctor
Speaker 1: doing a video online saying that you can't you can
Speaker 1: only contract chlamydia because of you know, the bacteria can't
Speaker 1: really survive outside of the body, and basically saying that
Speaker 1: that claim wasn't true. But I found a paper journal
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety five from Cornia Journal that said that
Speaker 1: they concluded that non porous plastic surfaces can serve as
Speaker 1: a potential vector for the transmission of chlamydia infection to
Speaker 1: the eye, especially under humid conditions. So they did a
Speaker 1: bunch of studies with the bacteria and they saw that
Speaker 1: like in normal in normal conditions, it cannot survive off
Speaker 1: of the human body for long. But that's because the
Speaker 1: human body is a certain temperature and keeps it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that that's what helps nourish it
Speaker 1: and keep it alive. So if it's in a humid condition,
Speaker 1: like let's say, sweat from a gym hot, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it in theory, it could. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not like, okay, everybody needs to just like be
Speaker 1: careful of this, but like in theory, according to this paper,
Speaker 1: it could happen. Well. I also saw later in the
Speaker 1: article it said that you could possibly contract it by
Speaker 1: sharing sex toys. And what's different between a bench at
Speaker 1: the gym and a sex toy because they're both objects taken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's true that you can it's I
Speaker 1: guess with a sex toy. Like it wouldn't be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you use the sex toy and then leave it out
Speaker 1: for ten days and then a person uses it and
Speaker 1: gets it. It would have to be like at the same
Speaker 1: time situation. So it's the same thing. Like, but listen,
Speaker 1: you've been to the gym, right, Like sometimes you'll go
Speaker 1: and see men whatever, but women especially because your your
Speaker 1: fluids are just like right there out in the open, right,
Speaker 1: It's like you're wearing a pair of leggings and you're
Speaker 1: not wearing underwear underneath. It's only just like a thin
Speaker 1: layer of fabric between you and the bench that you're
Speaker 1: sitting on. How many times have you seen like full
Speaker 1: on ass and layby a prints on like the chairs
Speaker 1: at the gym and stuff. It's if if you went
Speaker 1: from like wet to wet it in theory, it could
Speaker 1: potentially happen. Is it common to not wear underwear at
Speaker 1: the gym? Because I don't think I really knew this,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a gym person. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: just tell by looking at me that I'm person, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what. I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: I've never not worn underwear to work out. I guess
Speaker 1: it's just a common thing. Yeah, but people. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like if you want your ass to look good in
Speaker 1: your leggings, then you wouldn't want to have like pantylones.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it wouldn't. You're You're just not
Speaker 1: that girl. But there's plenty of those people there. But
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like in theory, it could happen.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, they have those wipes there that are
Speaker 1: disinfected wipes, and you really should just wipe it down
Speaker 1: because you can get other you could get like MRSA
Speaker 1: infections and stuff like from people in situations like that,
Speaker 1: So it's always good to just wipe stuff down before
Speaker 1: you touch it anyway. Yeah, Like I think that general
Speaker 1: rule is you're supposed to wipe the machine down after
Speaker 1: you use it and sweat all over it. But you
Speaker 1: know so many people are not doing that, So maybe
Speaker 1: everybody just needs to get into the mindset of before
Speaker 1: if I sit down on it, I'm going to wipe it
Speaker 1: down first and then go from that. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: if this guy who made the TikTok wasn't lying and
Speaker 1: he didn't have any sexual contact with someone, then it's
Speaker 1: completely possible. And that's why I mean that doctor probably
Speaker 1: literally references paper that said that you can get I
Speaker 1: chlamydia from a non poorous service. That's that's where he
Speaker 1: got that information. If the guy because I actually know
Speaker 1: somebody that that happened to, by the way, it was
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, God in her eye actually from seamen.
Speaker 1: But like I mean, if this guy that she was
Speaker 1: in the act, she was in the act. Like, but
Speaker 1: this TikTok dude, like if he didn't have sex like
Speaker 1: that and he's being honest, then like, yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: he got it disgusting. Okay, other death news, all right,
Speaker 1: we have lots of TikTok stories today. So this chick
Speaker 1: went on TikTok and was explaining how her twin sister
Speaker 1: died five years ago from viral meningitis. When it came
Speaker 1: time to let their family know, the father thought that
Speaker 1: her ninety year old grandparent and some distant relatives just
Speaker 1: could not handle the information, so he had her pretend
Speaker 1: to be the dead twin for the last five years.
Speaker 1: Shit is so outrageous. It's outrageous. And what's even worse
Speaker 1: is that recently the grandma was on the deathbed and
Speaker 1: then she finally told her and I'm like, why would
Speaker 1: you burden her with the information right before she died?
Speaker 1: But she didn't want to be burdened with the lie anymore.
Speaker 1: So like that's a a typical millennial thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's just they're still get you. There's still out okay, boomer,
Speaker 1: So they're still lying to the grandpop though, but they
Speaker 1: have told other distant relatives at this point and they're pissed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was she doing some like like you know all
Speaker 1: these shows that they have, like the Parent Trap and
Speaker 1: the liv and Maddie Show where it's like one actress
Speaker 1: playing a twin. You could see how they do that
Speaker 1: on a split screen, Like, how are you doing that
Speaker 1: in real life? Was she bringing two outfits and going
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and like changing and they know, I've
Speaker 1: never seen together. I don't think they live near this
Speaker 1: family at all, so I don't think they were like
Speaker 1: seeing each other. They were just talking over like FaceTime
Speaker 1: or the phone. Yeah, well, so it's obviously easier when
Speaker 1: you're doing that, but the lady was in her nineties
Speaker 1: or something. She was like, I mean, I understand from
Speaker 1: the Sun's perspective that he doesn't want to upset his
Speaker 1: mom because she's so fragile and old. But like, I
Speaker 1: think it's crazier that the that the sister lost her sister,
Speaker 1: which is which is terribly upsetting, and then had to
Speaker 1: play along with this for her dad. Like the whole
Speaker 1: thing is weird. How do you how do you just
Speaker 1: like act normal and pretend to be a person that
Speaker 1: died without getting upset? You know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: it it is, it's just very unusual situation. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And like some people in the comments were sympathetic to it.
Speaker 1: And said they understood and they would do the same
Speaker 1: thing to you know, not upset other people. And then
Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: It's weird, and it is it is weird. Well, it's
Speaker 1: weird too because if you think about it, like cause,
Speaker 1: like I always talk about how just the younger you
Speaker 1: people get, the softer and you can't handle anything. Right,
Speaker 1: But like this lady's ninety some years old, right, she's
Speaker 1: lived through like some shit. She's probably mad because she's
Speaker 1: just like you, honestly think I couldn't handle that like
Speaker 1: I've handled Think about what a person that's in their
Speaker 1: nineties has dealt with in their life, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, don't don't try to tiptoe around my feelings.
Speaker 1: I could handle anything. Plus, when you're in your nineties,
Speaker 1: like every single person that you know has died, your parents,
Speaker 1: your siblings, your friends. Like the older you get, the
Speaker 1: more death you say that you can handle. Like It's
Speaker 1: just it's kind of insulting to the mom to think
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't have been able to handle it at
Speaker 1: her age, you know, it's insulting, and now she's gonna
Speaker 1: die knowing that a the granddaughter died and be her
Speaker 1: loved ones are hiding this information from her, which is
Speaker 1: kind of unsettling. Yeah, it's just like telling your husband, Oh,
Speaker 1: I know we've been married for fifty years, but one
Speaker 1: of your kids is in yours or something like. You
Speaker 1: don't tell somebody something. Yeah, it's to get it off
Speaker 1: your chest. It's not for them, you know. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I just can't agree with it now,
Speaker 1: me neither. All right, let's move on to Questions of
Speaker 1: the Day. Every Friday on the at mother nos Death
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Speaker 1: and ask whatever questions you want first. With what you
Speaker 1: see in your career, has it made you more worrisome
Speaker 1: as a mother? Yes? What examples? I have too many examples.
Speaker 1: I'm just worried all the time anytime. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you heard every on today's episode Vicious Dogs marijuana,
Speaker 1: it's listed social media erratic behavior. Yes, this episode, I
Speaker 1: feel like really surmises all. There's plenty more, trust me,
Speaker 1: lots of lots of medical stuff too. You know. It's
Speaker 1: just like well Lillian said to me this morning, She's like,
Speaker 1: I as a pain in my head, right, here, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, you know, like I
Speaker 1: go through like what could that be? Because she's complained
Speaker 1: about it for the past two days. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: also are so reactive when they tell you something's wrong
Speaker 1: with them that I feel like they just do it
Speaker 1: for anything, Like she's always like my fingertip hurts, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but I don't get nervous about that.
Speaker 1: I get nervous about like anything in the head and
Speaker 1: body situation. But yeah, like I like it's typical and
Speaker 1: normal for me to just be like, where is that
Speaker 1: anatomically located? Let me go through the differential diagnosis of
Speaker 1: a child in her age, like what could that be?
Speaker 1: And like obviously, you know, I go through that, and
Speaker 1: then I'm just like, it's it's probably she's stuffed up,
Speaker 1: it's probably your sinus is whatever, like I do that stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's how could I not Like
Speaker 1: it's just and I always go to the worst thing
Speaker 1: because that's just like I always see the worst of
Speaker 1: the worst. So yeah, that's why we call you doctor
Speaker 1: Death in our family, all right too. Will there be
Speaker 1: more external exam episodes? Yeah, there there will be. We
Speaker 1: just we're going to do those more on days that
Speaker 1: that we're going to be off and stuff, just because
Speaker 1: we find that we've had so many news stories that
Speaker 1: we're cutting a lot of stories and we want to cover.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, we still cover. We have enough to
Speaker 1: do an episode every day, which just isn't happening at
Speaker 1: this time. But you know, we want we we do
Speaker 1: want to do other external exam episodes too, so that
Speaker 1: will happen in the future, just whenever. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be like on a schedule, all right. Last favorite
Speaker 1: holiday suite and favorite holiday dish. Some of these questions
Speaker 1: that you guys submitted for the Christmas Q and A
Speaker 1: I moved up that were to because that's not going
Speaker 1: to come out till after Christmas, So one day answer
Speaker 1: some of your questions. Okay, Christmas related questions, but this
Speaker 1: was submitted for our Winter Q and A. Sweets, your
Speaker 1: favorite holiday suite and your favorite holiday they dish like
Speaker 1: Christmas cookies, I guess I would say, yeah, the rocatto
Speaker 1: ones and petzels and stuff like that. A lot of them.
Speaker 1: I can't eat ones that other people make, so I
Speaker 1: have to make them myself with gluten frey. But they
Speaker 1: taste just as good gluten free. I think the Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ricotta cheese cookies, they're like one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually make them this weekend because I need
Speaker 1: to taste that flavor is very specific to Christmas time.
Speaker 1: I'm making them this weekend too. I was gonna make
Speaker 1: you a bucks, all right, Well, then just do that
Speaker 1: and then I won't do it save me sometime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Christmas cookies for sure, and dish, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't really like, well, we just went to the
Speaker 1: party this weekend. Jen made that. Our cousin Jen made
Speaker 1: that really good thing. I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 1: She's gluten free too, though, so it makes it easier.
Speaker 1: But she makes it every year and you're I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk and describe it to you, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: like it's so weird. But it's like this log of
Speaker 1: like was sabi that's covered in cream, cheese or something
Speaker 1: that sounds good, and then it's on a plate and
Speaker 1: then she like pours soy sauce on it and like
Speaker 1: green onions and then you eat it. You get like
Speaker 1: a rice cracker and like just dip into it and
Speaker 1: eat it. And it like, you know, it clears your
Speaker 1: sinuses out because you just have this like big whiff
Speaker 1: of wasabi. I don't know how she makes it, like
Speaker 1: if there's anything else mixed in it. That's just what
Speaker 1: I'm gathering it is just based on looking at it.
Speaker 1: It sounds so weird at a Christmas party, right, but
Speaker 1: like she she only makes it at the Christmas party,
Speaker 1: and that's like one of my favorite things. I probably
Speaker 1: ate half of it at the party the other day.
Speaker 1: What else? What about you? My favorite holiday suite is
Speaker 1: definitely cookies. My two favorite Christmas cookies are just classic
Speaker 1: butter cookies with like sprinkles on them and chalk peppermint.
Speaker 1: I make chocolate cookies with peppermint Hershey kisses, and those
Speaker 1: are my favorite, absolute favorite Christmas cookie. My favorite holiday
Speaker 1: dish I'm gonna say is Mom'sklonkies stuffed cabbage with ground
Speaker 1: beef and rice and tomato, and it's delicious. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are good too, but she makes those other times a year.
Speaker 1: Two they don't really remind me of Christmas necessarily, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're really good too. Yeah. I just can't think
Speaker 1: off the top of because there's like lots of different
Speaker 1: things because of the whole gluten situation. Like Aunt Evelyn
Speaker 1: used to make this really good like pineapple stuffing thing
Speaker 1: with the ham is so good, and then but I
Speaker 1: can't have that. And I tried to make a gluten
Speaker 1: free and it's okay, but it's it's not really the same.
Speaker 1: And like Panatoni bread, you know that, I know that
Speaker 1: is disgusting. No, it's so good. That's like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite flavors ever. And so they have a gluten
Speaker 1: free one. I think that brand shar you know, the
Speaker 1: one that makes the lea. I think they make it,
Speaker 1: but they never have it in stock at Wegmans and
Speaker 1: I want to try it, but like their stuff is
Speaker 1: like like I don't know how it's executed, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it might be really good. You
Speaker 1: could probably get a really good one online because they
Speaker 1: hold up pretty well. Yeah, I've seen them online, but
Speaker 1: they're like seventy dollars. Yeah, Panatoni is expensive to make.
Speaker 1: I mean when you get them at the store, they're
Speaker 1: like mass manufactured. When you get really good homemade ones,
Speaker 1: they're expensive to make. Remember, I don't mind spending seventy
Speaker 1: dollars on a piece of bread. Well, I do, but
Speaker 1: but like that's a risk. If I know that it
Speaker 1: tastes delicious, then then you know, the best bread is
Speaker 1: worth all the money in the world. But like I
Speaker 1: do to take a risk, Like what if it tastes
Speaker 1: like cardboard, I'd be like, oh cool. You know what
Speaker 1: other appetizer I like that you can really have all year,
Speaker 1: but I only try to have it Christmas because I
Speaker 1: would eat it all the time, and it's like so
Speaker 1: high calorie. Is when you get like a block of
Speaker 1: cream cheese with the red pepper jelly. Oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: should get that on Christmas Eve. I am good at
Speaker 1: I do it because I like that one too. It
Speaker 1: is so delicious. I'm gonna try to make sour dough
Speaker 1: as well, but hopefully it won't be the epic failure
Speaker 1: that my Thanksgiving sour dough was. I tried to make
Speaker 1: one of those like turkey shaped ones, and it just
Speaker 1: looked so bad. It was so ridiculous looking. But whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm looking forward to the Christmas meals. I
Speaker 1: just like eating a lot of Christmas cookies. And I
Speaker 1: can't believe neither of us mentioned Christmas coffees. I think
Speaker 1: that those could be considered a holidays. Oh yeah, anything
Speaker 1: like if you just put you could just use like
Speaker 1: eggnog in your in your coffee instead of creamer. It's
Speaker 1: so good that. And I had a white it's so
Speaker 1: so like bad for you. Oh it's so horrible, but
Speaker 1: it's so delicious. I had a white pepper Ma milka
Speaker 1: the other day too, that was truly heavenly. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: been trying to stay away from those Starbucks strengths because
Speaker 1: they're just like, they're like so many calories. I just can't.
Speaker 1: I mean once in a while, like when you go
Speaker 1: Christmas shopping and stuff. But I love I love them too.
Speaker 1: They have that. I did try that one that was
Speaker 1: like a macha like cookie flavor or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's really good. That does sound good. All right, guys, Well,
Speaker 1: we will see you later in the week with our
Speaker 1: Christmas special, And don't forget to submit your review or
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