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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello everybody, Thank you guys for coming YouTube in session,

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Speaker 1: first session of the year. Very excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Barnes from All the Smoke, and we're not

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Speaker 1: necessarily known as a political outlet, but we are someone

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Speaker 1: who aren't afraid to speak our minds and like to

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Speaker 1: call people sometimes on a little bit of the bs

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Speaker 1: they have. With everything going on in our country today,

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Speaker 1: I felt it's more important than ever to utilize my

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Speaker 1: platform and my audience to bring awareness and information to

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Speaker 1: people who desperately needed. I'm very excited to sit down

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Speaker 1: with Senator today, a first black Senator from the state

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Speaker 1: of Georgia, first black Southern Senator, and one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty years to be elected by African American voters. Without

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Speaker 1: further ado, I like to welcome to the stage Senator

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Speaker 1: Reverend Rafael Warnot. All right, can see, Senator.

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Speaker 2: How are you? How's life? I'm doing well. How's everybody

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Speaker 2: out there? That's a relevant question these days? Right what's

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Speaker 2: the energy around the Capitol? Like?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 2: There is a sense that these are deeply consequential times,

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Speaker 2: that what we do it matters all the time. But

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Speaker 2: all I know is that I wake up every morning

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Speaker 2: knowing that the work that I'm trying to do is

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Speaker 2: so important that families that are struggling right now with

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Speaker 2: issues around affordability, trying to make their lives work, they're

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Speaker 2: kind of on us to show up. And I'm deeply

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Speaker 2: honest that I get to do that every single day,

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Speaker 2: certainly on behalf of the people of Georgia, but on

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Speaker 2: behalf of our country. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that we are hurting

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Speaker 1: nation right now. Our social media new feeds daily are

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Speaker 1: filled with the estopian sites, our own government killing American citizen,

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Speaker 1: going door to door to try to deport people, and

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Speaker 1: shattering communities left and right. In moments like these, when

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are feeling discouraged, overwhelmed, and personally defeated,

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Speaker 1: what is your message to keep hope alive and what

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Speaker 1: is some encouraging words you would have for the country.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I don't have to

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Speaker 2: tell people that these are dark times, that these are

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Speaker 2: difficult days. I am a person of faith, I'm a pastor,

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Speaker 2: but faith for me is not lying optimism, it's not

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Speaker 2: denying that things are hard. It's really with a tough

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Speaker 2: mind and a tender heart looking at the reality of

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Speaker 2: the things that we are faced with, and just a

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Speaker 2: determination to show up every single day fight the good fight.

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Speaker 2: And anybody who's been a student of the movement as

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Speaker 2: I have been as leader of ebenez Or Baptist Church,

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Speaker 2: a church with a storied history of resistance even before

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Speaker 2: doctor King. I talk about that sometime, but all of

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Speaker 2: the I'm only the fifth senior pastor of that church

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Speaker 2: founded in eighteen eighty six. All of our pastors have

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Speaker 2: been activists in their own right, and what I know

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Speaker 2: is a student of that movement of putting your faith

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Speaker 2: Embody to the civil rights movement is that these fights

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Speaker 2: come with starts and fits. Some days you move a

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Speaker 2: couple of steps forward, then you move one or two

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Speaker 2: steps back. Their moments in the story of our country

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Speaker 2: where the democracy expands, their moments when it contracts. And

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Speaker 2: we're going through one very painful period of contraction. But

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Speaker 2: contraction is necessary for new birth. And what I hope

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Speaker 2: is that we will not waste this moment of crisis,

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Speaker 2: that will lean into what it means to be an

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Speaker 2: American people, that will show up for our neighbors. And

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Speaker 2: having had this awful moment of staring into the abyss,

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Speaker 2: the abyss if you will, seeing how bad it can be.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid things are going to get worse before they

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Speaker 2: get better, unfortunately. But you take the long view and

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Speaker 2: you and you keep showing up with the hope that

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Speaker 2: will be better. Not go back to where we I

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Speaker 2: want to get back. No, there's no going back. We

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Speaker 2: need to be better than we were, absolutely moving forward.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the eighties, and I know in

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Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties it was the saying it takes

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Speaker 1: a village. What message would you have to communities to

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Speaker 1: At a time like this.

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Speaker 2: We should really sit with this moment because I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't want us to be in denial about what

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Speaker 2: I you know, I preached about it this past Sunday

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Speaker 2: and my pulpe it it's painful to watch those videos,

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Speaker 2: the Trump regime regime is trying to convince us that

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Speaker 2: we are at war with one another. They're putting military

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Speaker 2: what gives me hope is that organically I am seeing

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Speaker 2: many instances putting themselves in harms way, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 2: insisting that we're going to video tape this. We're going

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Speaker 2: to and that's the gift of this moment YouTube of

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Speaker 2: the world, right. I mean, that's part of the revolution,

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Speaker 2: that's part of that's part of the hope. And they're

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Speaker 2: showing up. And that's what Renee Good did. And we

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Speaker 2: But I talked about this in my pulpit Sunday as

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Speaker 2: We've seen this kind of ugliness for with you know,

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Speaker 2: And this is not right and we need we need

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Speaker 2: more of that. We can't normalize this dystopian reality. We

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Speaker 2: have to push back every single day, and that's how

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Speaker 2: we win.

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Speaker 1: As a father, and I'm sure I speak for every

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Speaker 1: for our children. And once we do get past this,

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Speaker 1: what is your vision of restored and repaired America?

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Speaker 2: You mean have heard? I got a couple of jobs,

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Speaker 2: pastor of Ebenezer Church, senator from Georgia. My favorite job,

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Speaker 2: And in the real sense, they do tell me what

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Speaker 2: to do, because that's they are why I do this work.

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Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time away from them, more

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine them living in a world with less

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Speaker 2: constricted than me. Here's the thing we've got to do, though, Man,

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Speaker 2: We've got to recognize that the only way our children,

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Speaker 2: the only way my children are going to be okay,

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Speaker 2: is for other people's children to be okay. Yes, And

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Speaker 2: so I think that that's part of the moral challenge

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Speaker 2: And that's what God's my work every single day. Is

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Speaker 2: the reason why I'm working on this affordability crisis, is

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Speaker 2: the reason why I want to make sure that every

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Speaker 2: a real sense, I'm fighting for another kid also. And

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Speaker 2: as that kid who grew up like you in the eighties,

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Speaker 2: I might be loader than you.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty five, almost forty six.

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Speaker 2: When I think about that kid who grew up in

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Speaker 2: out of twelve children. And because of the covenant that

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Speaker 2: of good public policy, because of Headstart, because of upward Bounds,

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Speaker 2: by doctor King, and now I'm a United States CeNAT

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Speaker 2: that The thing that keeps me up at night is

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Speaker 2: the reality that it would be harder for me to

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Speaker 1: You know, I take a lot of flaks sometimes for

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Speaker 2: Right, let us have a moment of silence.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that guy was really good to me at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: but we'd be having text wards if I showed you

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Speaker 1: you can't hot hot text your okay in sports, hot

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Speaker 1: what I was, what I was trying to say is

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Speaker 1: them I'm like, you know, I'm fighting today to see

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Speaker 1: these type of conversations. But to your point, it's not

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Speaker 1: get out of college. Like it looks bleak, private businesses

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Speaker 1: Is there a light a message? How do we mobilize

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Speaker 1: and utilize similar to how you know we've seen Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk and Turning Point get to these college and high

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Speaker 2: Here's my message. We cannot allow ourselves to give into

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Speaker 2: those who are trying to weaponize despair. There are forces

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Speaker 2: at work in our country. As you look at this

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Speaker 2: want to convince us that there's no need to fight,

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Speaker 2: there's no need to show up. The reason I'm here

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Speaker 2: today and happy to talk to you is, you know,

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Speaker 2: there have been no great movements in our country without

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Speaker 2: young people right and without leaders in culture, arts, the sports, music.

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Speaker 2: And I saw this in my own campaign when I

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Speaker 2: United States Senate not having run for office before, I'm

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Speaker 2: a pastor. And as it turns out, in the midst

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Speaker 1: I love it well, Senator, Thank you for your time today.

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