Speaker 1: I'm going to get this out of the way right
Speaker 1: off the bat. All the things that you worry might
Speaker 1: happen when you come back from eternity leave, they all happen.
Speaker 1: It's all real. Here's an example. People around the office
Speaker 1: might barely remember you on that topic. You might be
Speaker 1: wondering who I am. I'm Francesca Leavy, co host of
Speaker 1: Game Plan, and I'm fresh back from eternity leave. This week,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about what it's like when you
Speaker 1: come back from work after a long leave. This is
Speaker 1: game Plan. I'm Francesca Lead and I'm Rebecca Greenfield, and
Speaker 1: welcome back. Francesca. Thank you. We missed you while you
Speaker 1: were gone. Thanks. I was gone for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did some good work mile you were gone. Sam Grobert
Speaker 1: did a great job filling in. He did, and that
Speaker 1: won't be the last that you guys will hear from him.
Speaker 1: But now you're back. I'm back and we are going
Speaker 1: to talk all about me in a few moments. But
Speaker 1: for I'm not the only person that's gone away from
Speaker 1: their job for a long stretch and then had to
Speaker 1: come back and readjust Yeah, there are all sorts of
Speaker 1: reasons that people might leave their jobs for an extended
Speaker 1: period of time and then come back with change circumstances
Speaker 1: like obviously having a kid. It's the big one because
Speaker 1: a lot of people do it. But now as the
Speaker 1: workforce ages, more people are leaving their jobs to take
Speaker 1: care of sick family members, like their elderly parents. And
Speaker 1: companies that have the best benefits, like the ones that
Speaker 1: have the really plush maternity leave packages, also are starting
Speaker 1: to offer these elder care benefits where they'll give you
Speaker 1: paid time off to take care of a sick family member.
Speaker 1: And I think people who come back from something like
Speaker 1: that or maybe they're you know, maybe you'd be off
Speaker 1: work for disability or some of the reason often have
Speaker 1: a lot in common with people who go out on
Speaker 1: maternity leave or parental leave. They come back and it's
Speaker 1: not like they can get right back to doing exactly
Speaker 1: the thing they were doing before. You've kind of changed circumstances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like there's not only what like you're saying, this transition process,
Speaker 1: but you might have to go to a doctor's appointment,
Speaker 1: or or you have to continue caring for your elderly
Speaker 1: parents even if it's not your full time gig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there are stigmas associated with that. I mean, especially
Speaker 1: with parents. There's all this research showing that women when
Speaker 1: they have kids and come back to the workforce are
Speaker 1: unfairly judged for many of their actions. And they have
Speaker 1: this motherhood penalty where they lose four percent of their
Speaker 1: pay for every child they have controlling for a time
Speaker 1: taken off. So it's like, just because you have a kid,
Speaker 1: and just in case you're wondering, dad's don't have this,
Speaker 1: they get a fatherhood bonus. Because we see parents differently
Speaker 1: in the workplace, right, So like when a dad has
Speaker 1: to leave a few minutes early to pick up his kid,
Speaker 1: everyone thinks would a stand up guy who handles his
Speaker 1: family responsibilities so well, But when a woman does it,
Speaker 1: she just can't juggle everything. You can't do at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because workplaces aren't really set up for work parents, a
Speaker 1: lot of women in particular end up just not coming back.
Speaker 1: And on the face of it, that seems kind of
Speaker 1: crappy to take your maternity leave and then quit immediately after,
Speaker 1: but I can kind of see how it happens. You know,
Speaker 1: if you were already having some issues with your job
Speaker 1: and then your whole life changes and you have to
Speaker 1: add that to balancing this job that you didn't like
Speaker 1: that much to begin with. I can sort of see
Speaker 1: how going back can suddenly become a really difficult thing
Speaker 1: to do. And even when you do like your job,
Speaker 1: like you Francesca love it, there are anxieties about coming back.
Speaker 1: And I think it would be fun for us to
Speaker 1: go back to an episode that we did with you
Speaker 1: before you left on Atornity Leave, where we talked to
Speaker 1: you about your anxieties and what you were worried about.
Speaker 1: Let's hear what I was freaking out about. There's so
Speaker 1: many complicating interests, you know. There's me wanting all of
Speaker 1: the work that I've done to be maintained and maintained
Speaker 1: well and be in good shape, and the projects I'm
Speaker 1: proud of and feel close to, I want them to
Speaker 1: go well. But then it's like I want them to
Speaker 1: go to well because I want people to want to
Speaker 1: feel relevant and I want people to miss the work
Speaker 1: that I did. So how was that for you? Did
Speaker 1: any of that ring true? Well, Sam had the nerve
Speaker 1: to go ahead and do a really good job, so
Speaker 1: obviously I'm super threatened by that. But no, it was
Speaker 1: really interesting to listen to because the thing about coming
Speaker 1: back is everything that you counted out of happening kind
Speaker 1: of happens. Like some things were done really well without
Speaker 1: me being here, and I'm less necessary for those things.
Speaker 1: But I'm also really happy that a lot of things
Speaker 1: I was working hard on were kept together really well,
Speaker 1: and you did such a great job while I was gone,
Speaker 1: So you know, everything's kind of like where I left it,
Speaker 1: you know, like the things that we're going well are
Speaker 1: still going well, and the things that everybody has about
Speaker 1: their job that are kind of annoying and frustrating are
Speaker 1: still annoying and frustrating, and there's something reassuring about that.
Speaker 1: And you also are talking to me about like the
Speaker 1: weird little things throughout your work day. It's funny to
Speaker 1: like drop back into the same job that you left
Speaker 1: so many months later. Because I was a different person,
Speaker 1: not just because I was a person without a kid
Speaker 1: back then, but I was a pregnant person, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I was more of a monster than I
Speaker 1: kind of realized. So I was in such a bad
Speaker 1: mood all the time. Like I opened up a chat
Speaker 1: window to send a message to a colleague, and the
Speaker 1: last chat that I had sent her was from the summer,
Speaker 1: and it was just me complaining about somebody not giving
Speaker 1: me a seat in a meeting because I was so
Speaker 1: pregnant and so tired all the time. Reasonable complaint, reasonable,
Speaker 1: But I just I realized that I was really annoyed
Speaker 1: and tired a lot of the time at the end
Speaker 1: of my pregnancy. So I'm hoping that coming back, I
Speaker 1: can actually be a more efficient and better worker just
Speaker 1: because I'm not as piste off all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: now it seems like a good time to bring on
Speaker 1: our guest who's going to share her experience as about
Speaker 1: what it was like coming back from her leave. Anna
Speaker 1: Sale is host of the Death, Sex and Money podcast
Speaker 1: from w n y C Studios, and when she went
Speaker 1: on maternity leave, she took kind of a novel approach.
Speaker 1: She decided to talk about it before, during, and after
Speaker 1: her maternity leave on her podcast. Hi Anna, Hi, So
Speaker 1: we're really excited to talk to you about how you've
Speaker 1: integrated your maternity leave with your work and your life
Speaker 1: at work. You've been pretty open on your show about
Speaker 1: the fact that you were pregnant and planning to take
Speaker 1: maternity leave. You did what you called a visible maternity
Speaker 1: leave in some forms. So can you just explain a
Speaker 1: little bit about what that means to you and what
Speaker 1: it looked like. Sure. So my show Death, Sex, and
Speaker 1: Money is it's about the things that we all go
Speaker 1: through but can have trouble talking about. So that can
Speaker 1: be really big things like relationships or grief. But also
Speaker 1: I thought like maternity leave is one of those things.
Speaker 1: It's the things that working women, uh kind of have
Speaker 1: a little bit of guilt about as they're approaching it.
Speaker 1: And then when my colleagues who got a maternity leave
Speaker 1: before me, when I would watch them go, it was
Speaker 1: like they were super pregnant. I wouldn't see them for
Speaker 1: four months, and then they would come back with a
Speaker 1: cute little baby in the office and it was just like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what on earth did they do down this wormhole? So yeah,
Speaker 1: so it just seemed to me like this is like
Speaker 1: a um new parents would just disappear and then they
Speaker 1: would come back and it was like what happens on
Speaker 1: maternity leave. And since I started the show about two
Speaker 1: and a half years ago, I got engaged, I got married,
Speaker 1: I got pregnant, So it seemed and that was part
Speaker 1: of what I would talk about on the show so
Speaker 1: when I was going away on maternity leave, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do I let listeners in on what's going on
Speaker 1: with me without working during my maternity leave, right because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that. So what we decided
Speaker 1: to do was we, in addition to you know, just
Speaker 1: producing some episodes ahead of time, we also had a
Speaker 1: series of guest host who had been on the show before,
Speaker 1: and then in the middle of each of their shows,
Speaker 1: they would call me up and we would talk and
Speaker 1: I was, you know, on my cell phone talking about
Speaker 1: what was going on in that instant with my infants.
Speaker 1: So it was an attempt to sort of show like
Speaker 1: when parents go on parental leave, they don't disappear, they're
Speaker 1: doing really important work, they're just not visible in the workplace.
Speaker 1: And uh so that's what I talked about. So you
Speaker 1: obligated yourself to staying plugged into work to some extent,
Speaker 1: Then did you regret that at all? In the end? Uh?
Speaker 1: I didn't. And I think probably part of my personality,
Speaker 1: like I, when you're on maternity leave, when you are
Speaker 1: used to being in the rapids of the media, it
Speaker 1: can feel isolating all of a sudden. So I appreciated
Speaker 1: having a way to sort of step in but then say, okay,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm doing this week and step away. And
Speaker 1: I liked that, just staying a little bit, a little
Speaker 1: bit in tune with what was happening in the world.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us just how long you took and
Speaker 1: when you got back from leave? Yeah, I I took
Speaker 1: four months off of work. I was thinking about that
Speaker 1: this morning. It's so strange, like, one of the things,
Speaker 1: this is my first child. So one of the strange
Speaker 1: things about working when you're pregnant is all of a
Speaker 1: sudden people start asking you, like, how long are you
Speaker 1: going to take? And I didn't. I knew what I
Speaker 1: was eligible for based on my time at w n
Speaker 1: y C, and and I knew what would be paid.
Speaker 1: And I had decided on four months because that seemed
Speaker 1: more luxurious than three months, but not too long. I
Speaker 1: could take up to six months paid leave at w
Speaker 1: N y C, which is amazing, So I I opted
Speaker 1: to take four months, not knowing what it was going
Speaker 1: to be like to be a parent, and I guess
Speaker 1: as it got closer and closer, I was really surprised
Speaker 1: by the It was anxiety, but I allo I was
Speaker 1: feeling really wistful and sad in a way that I
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting. And I think it was I was mourning
Speaker 1: my work identity of being a childless person, you know,
Speaker 1: being part of this team where we all work really hard,
Speaker 1: and you know, I had a measure of flexibility that
Speaker 1: I don't have now to jump in at a moment's
Speaker 1: notice to to put out whatever fire. And when you
Speaker 1: have a kid, your obligations and priorities shift a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I felt this kind of sadness as maternity leave
Speaker 1: was approaching. And I was really surprised by that because
Speaker 1: I thought, like, oh my gosh, four months off of work,
Speaker 1: you know, like with a baby, it'll be like the
Speaker 1: best summer vacation. Um, it wasn't like that at all.
Speaker 1: But that was a feeling that surprised me that I
Speaker 1: it didn't just feel like, oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited for this to happen, for me to be able
Speaker 1: to step away from work. Yeah, I remember feeling I
Speaker 1: don't know if I felt sad, but I remember feeling
Speaker 1: anxious for sure. But you can go back to the
Speaker 1: tape out on it. Yeah, I think we talked about
Speaker 1: how you were worried about the things that people talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, your job being taken away from you and
Speaker 1: losing the responsibilities, and what would happen to your job
Speaker 1: when you are gone, and what it would be like
Speaker 1: when you got back, yeah, and the elements relevance and
Speaker 1: then also what kind of and You've talked about this,
Speaker 1: so I'd love to hear your take on it. But
Speaker 1: what kind of person you'll be once you have a baby?
Speaker 1: Everybody tells you this life changing thing, So I think
Speaker 1: you prepare for a total personality shift, and you're like,
Speaker 1: is that person going to be as into their career
Speaker 1: as the pre baby person? Did you have that kind
Speaker 1: of reckoning? Oh? Yeah, I mean I think there's so
Speaker 1: many things to be anxious about when you're pregnant, including like,
Speaker 1: how am I going to change with all these hormones
Speaker 1: shooting off in my brain that I've never had happened before,
Speaker 1: But also like is this baby going to be healthy?
Speaker 1: And no matter how I'm feeling about work or not work,
Speaker 1: am I going to be able to commit to work
Speaker 1: in the same way that I did before? So I
Speaker 1: was I was feeling all of that. Yeah, So what
Speaker 1: was it like when you first got back. What were
Speaker 1: the what were the realities that were the same as
Speaker 1: what you anticipated, and what was different. The first thing
Speaker 1: you think about is pumping. Pumping is like the worst,
Speaker 1: It's the worst. It seems pretty destructive. Yeah, Becca has
Speaker 1: heard me talk about it a lot. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: I find it. You know, I've never been a smoker
Speaker 1: at work, so I've never had something that like, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, your body says, no matter what's on
Speaker 1: your calendar, you have to stop something for fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. And you know, with all the equipment and
Speaker 1: carrying that this and that back and forth from work.
Speaker 1: I mean that took you know, there were definitely like
Speaker 1: early days where I just like left essential Part number
Speaker 1: one on the kitchen counter and had to go back
Speaker 1: to work. I had to go back and get it.
Speaker 1: So that was It's like the biggest thing I think about.
Speaker 1: And I think that even saying that that pumping has
Speaker 1: been the biggest stress is the result of me having
Speaker 1: really great, reliable childcare. So for me, I haven't had
Speaker 1: to worry about is my baby safe when I leave
Speaker 1: for work. I have a childcare provider who I feel
Speaker 1: like is actually my baby is much better off getting
Speaker 1: to spend several hours a day with her because she
Speaker 1: knows what she's doing, um and she's teaching us. Uh
Speaker 1: So I feel like the the the end of maternity
Speaker 1: leave was just this ball of stress about nailing down
Speaker 1: that childcare and but once that was done, I was
Speaker 1: able to shift back to thinking about, Okay, what is
Speaker 1: work going to look like? Yeah, so that that brings
Speaker 1: me to my next question. It's like, there's the added
Speaker 1: I don't know, anxiety of how people are perceiving you
Speaker 1: now that you're a mom. I mean, there's all this
Speaker 1: research showing that people treat moms differently, even if they
Speaker 1: don't act defferitely in the workplace. Is that something you've
Speaker 1: felt just like having this identity of a working mom.
Speaker 1: I have felt incredibly supported by my co workers, but
Speaker 1: it is like I definitely have the demon voice in
Speaker 1: the back of my head saying like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if they in your five minutes like getting to your desk,
Speaker 1: they're going to think you're not committed. You're not committed worker.
Speaker 1: And it's because you have a two baby now you
Speaker 1: know all these you know, it's the it's the guilt
Speaker 1: of um just wanting to make sure to show up
Speaker 1: in the same way that you showed up before, which
Speaker 1: is a little more complicated now, you know, like if
Speaker 1: I'm walking out the door heading to work and the
Speaker 1: baby starts crying and needs to be you know, given
Speaker 1: a bottle, it's going to take five to ten extra
Speaker 1: minutes than that I wouldn't have to deal with before.
Speaker 1: But I think that I work on a small enough
Speaker 1: team that we are pretty communicative about like can you
Speaker 1: pick up this piece, I'll pick up this piece later.
Speaker 1: And and I found the kind of split shift thing
Speaker 1: of you know, I have a hard out at the
Speaker 1: end of the work day to relieve June's childcare provider,
Speaker 1: but I after she goes down to bed, I can
Speaker 1: get back on email and do you know, spend a
Speaker 1: few more hours. So I don't think I'm spending a
Speaker 1: few or hours thinking about work. It just looks different
Speaker 1: than it did when I could just stay at the
Speaker 1: office until work was done. I think I have had
Speaker 1: less guilt because I'm now working remotely from my team,
Speaker 1: so it's not as if they can I'm not visible
Speaker 1: all the time. You know. Um, I think if I
Speaker 1: were returning to the same workplace and you know, wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure I was at my desk at nine am,
Speaker 1: just like I had been before, as opposed to like
Speaker 1: listening to a podcast draft while I'm you know, uh,
Speaker 1: putting June's clothes on the beginning of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: multitasking at home. Like I think that that that has
Speaker 1: has made it a little less guilt ridden than I think,
Speaker 1: um if I hadn't changed up my workplace. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the optics of parenthood is the part that people
Speaker 1: worry about, like, oh, I have to leave at five,
Speaker 1: and that looks bad. I actually I felt this way
Speaker 1: when I was before I had a kid, And I
Speaker 1: know Pecca has talked about this as well. There is
Speaker 1: you almost feel a little bit there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a flip side to that, where I mean, there
Speaker 1: are enough people in our newsroom who have kids that
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a fairly universal acceptance of you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to leave it five, you gotta pick up
Speaker 1: your kid. But if you it also kind of gives
Speaker 1: you it's just an easily accepted excuse. So it's not
Speaker 1: an excuse, it's a reason. But you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you don't have a kid, you don't have that,
Speaker 1: and there's an expectation on childless people. I don't know, Becky,
Speaker 1: you can talk about it more, but that you or
Speaker 1: you just have all the time in the world because
Speaker 1: you don't have that hard out. So there is a
Speaker 1: way in which it's kind of it's almost kind of
Speaker 1: nice to have those really strict lines on your day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've definitely read articles that say the biggest productivity hack
Speaker 1: having kids. Yeah, I'm still waiting for the work efficiency
Speaker 1: to kick in. Did you find coming back and that
Speaker 1: did things feel different to you? Like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess you were you know, your circumstances are different because
Speaker 1: you were working remotely. Had you been working remotely before? No?
Speaker 1: Not until I was yeah, I'm a turn to be
Speaker 1: leave because I was surprised at how not different things
Speaker 1: thought when I sort of felt like I stepped back
Speaker 1: into a you know, five months ago, almost to the
Speaker 1: point where people I'd see people and I just kind
Speaker 1: of wave at them and then they do a double take,
Speaker 1: and I remember, like, oh right, I have to talk
Speaker 1: to them for a while because I haven't seen them
Speaker 1: in so long. Did you like, what did you walk
Speaker 1: back into Did it feel like the same or did
Speaker 1: you have to get used to a lot of new things.
Speaker 1: I think. I mean I, on the one hand, I
Speaker 1: totally here, Like I had that experience that you were
Speaker 1: having of like, oh, I'm back at work and I'm
Speaker 1: doing something that I know how to do, and and
Speaker 1: there was something really nice about that, like I'm putting
Speaker 1: on an old coat that fits just right, um, and
Speaker 1: it's and it's something you know, I knew I know
Speaker 1: how to do my job. Yeah, and that was particularly
Speaker 1: nice because I do not how to I didn't you know,
Speaker 1: I do not know how to be a mother. I'm
Speaker 1: learning how to be a month um. And so to
Speaker 1: feel like I was good at something, incompetent at something
Speaker 1: by going back at work was a welcome feeling. I
Speaker 1: don't know. For me, I like, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm finding I love being a mom, I also love
Speaker 1: other parts of my life. Well, we appreciate you talking
Speaker 1: about being a mom with us, and hopefully our listeners
Speaker 1: will get something out of knowing how to integrate it
Speaker 1: back into their work lives and still have their other identity.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thanks
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. So what struck me about
Speaker 1: Anna's approach to making it all work as a new
Speaker 1: parent was not everybody necessarily has a circumstance. She has
Speaker 1: her own radio show that she's very much the voice of,
Speaker 1: but she, like everybody who takes some kind of parental leave,
Speaker 1: had to figure out She had to navigate her own
Speaker 1: way of making it work. You know, she had to
Speaker 1: figure out what worked for her experiment and come up
Speaker 1: with her own approach to both taking time off and
Speaker 1: then integrating herself back in with her colleagues when she
Speaker 1: got back. What I think is unique about Anna as
Speaker 1: she has a huge platform to talk about these things
Speaker 1: and I think normalize some of it. Like we just
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking about pumping in the workplace,
Speaker 1: and there was a woman who was in a meeting
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and when she asked to take a
Speaker 1: break to go pump, he thought it was disgusting. But
Speaker 1: obviously pumping is the reality of when you come back
Speaker 1: to work and when your mom and I think the
Speaker 1: more we have conversations like these where we say what
Speaker 1: it is like to be a parent and to work
Speaker 1: at the same time that workplaces will start to adapt
Speaker 1: and hopefully change. You're saying it's Okay, to end a
Speaker 1: meeting with I have to go pump now, and we
Speaker 1: should do it more. You should, U should do it now,
Speaker 1: you should do it. I mean you should do it. It
Speaker 1: It would just confuse people. I can't like pretend to
Speaker 1: be a mom to to get fifteen minutes out early
Speaker 1: from a meeting. No, but you can do it to
Speaker 1: advance the cause of making the workplace better for parents solidarity.
Speaker 1: Now it's time for half big takes, happy fake takes. Becca,
Speaker 1: What is your idea that's not worthy of the story,
Speaker 1: but you want to talk about anyway? Okay, So my
Speaker 1: half big take this week is about taking hooky days.
Speaker 1: I have taken some hooky days, not while I was
Speaker 1: working here, of course not. I was never never bloombird um.
Speaker 1: Once I said I had a migraine, which I do
Speaker 1: get and went hiking with a friend because she had
Speaker 1: a holiday office. Yeah. I was younger too, obviously, and
Speaker 1: it was the most stressful hike I've ever been on.
Speaker 1: I was so stressed out. I was sure that I
Speaker 1: was going to be called out for taking the hookie day.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like hooky days are more anxiety
Speaker 1: than they're worth. So when you say a hooky day.
Speaker 1: You mean, not like you feel kind of sick that
Speaker 1: you really know. I mean you're going to the movies, right,
Speaker 1: you are actively doing something other than staying home. And
Speaker 1: it's not like you said I'm going to take a
Speaker 1: personal day or I'm taking a vacation day. You're taking
Speaker 1: a sick day. You're saying you're sick, but you're actually yeah,
Speaker 1: more than okay. I think that's very stressful and the
Speaker 1: point I'm just to have fun. Yeah, So I'm anti
Speaker 1: plan hookey, that's right, I'm a company woman. Wow, really rebellious.
Speaker 1: Thank you. So I know that you've probably been storing
Speaker 1: these up. I have some gone. So what is your
Speaker 1: favorite not really fully formed idea, Francesca. This half big
Speaker 1: takes a headline because I think half big takes should
Speaker 1: and it's called sorry, not sorry for the delay, clever. Thanks.
Speaker 1: So I was inspired by you actually because you wrote
Speaker 1: me an email, or you respond to an email and
Speaker 1: said something like sorry for the delay, and I had
Speaker 1: taken no notice that it had taken you like a
Speaker 1: few hours to write back. And I realized how often
Speaker 1: I do this. I am constantly sending emails back maybe
Speaker 1: a day or so later than I think I should have,
Speaker 1: and then I write I'm so sorry for the delay
Speaker 1: in responding, or sorry for the delay, or sorry it
Speaker 1: took so long to get back to you. And I
Speaker 1: think that no one should really ever write that, because
Speaker 1: the only thing that's ever gonna do is draw attention
Speaker 1: to the fact that you took a long time to
Speaker 1: write them write them back. And I'm very rarely ever
Speaker 1: like I'm usually just like, oh, thank goodness, I finally
Speaker 1: got an answer on that question. Or Okay, this person
Speaker 1: wrote me back. I'm rarely like they wrote me back,
Speaker 1: but it took days. Okay. I agree with you, and
Speaker 1: you know I'm an email minimalist and I would not
Speaker 1: write that in an email. Okay. It was a chat, okay,
Speaker 1: And I do think chats are more urgent then emails.
Speaker 1: And that's why I said, for them just wasting more
Speaker 1: time by putting that in the chat, I was sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're it fell on deaf years. There was nothing
Speaker 1: you needed to be forgiven for, just for giving yourself.
Speaker 1: No one should email I'm sorry for the delay, but yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: don't be sorry for the delay. Just send the email
Speaker 1: back as soon as you can. Or the chat we
Speaker 1: can agree on this great. This has been half bake takes,
Speaker 1: half baked takes. Thanks for listening. I'm on Twitter at
Speaker 1: francesco today and you can find me at ours Greenfield.
Speaker 1: If you have your own half baked takes, tweet them
Speaker 1: at game Plan and we will share them on the show.
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