WEBVTT - Zach Gilford Meets World 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.079 One of my children bit another kid at school. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.000 So as as somebody who loves your kids, what did 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.920 the other kid do to deserve it? 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:30.640 Is my question. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.559 Oh my gosh, I'm telling you. I so. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.200 About a year ago, we went to uh this little 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.000 play place in the mall and Adler and Keaton were 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.800 running around. One of the reasons we love this play 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.879 place is that it's perfectly enclosed. The kids are totally 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.599 safe in there, and everything's padded and it's like you 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:55.800 can really like. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.600 Take off their leash let them run in there. You 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.640 don't even have to put a helmet on them. They're fine. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.840 And then on the outside are all these tables and 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.080 you can just sit there and work or drink your 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.080 coffee or eat your lunch or whatever you want. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.839 And so we had let the kids go. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.959 And run around, and then all of a sudden, Adler 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:21.000 comes flying around the corner with another kid chasing after him, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.280 and Adler's like screaming, bloody murder. And it's a different 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.679 kind of scream, you know, playing screaming, which is still annoying, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.080 but like, okay, I can tell you're playing. Adler was 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.240 like scared, and there was a three year old running 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.920 after him, and as Adler came flying around the corner, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.400 he like tripped and fell and the kid jumped on 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.200 top of him and picked up Adler's arm and bit 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.080 it like a piece of corn on the car. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.480 Oh my god. So first he pounced and then he bit. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.440 And I don't I don't see the bite because it's 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.760 on the floor. But I had seen the coming around 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.240 the corner and the like hysterics, so I had already 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.320 jumped up and was walking over there. And and I 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.200 arrived there was another mom who's not the mom of 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:10.160 the bier, a different a different parent, who says he 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.680 bit him. And as she's saying this, Adler's holding up 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.800 his arm and I see teeth marks in his arm 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.400 and no broken skin, no broken skin, just but definite 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.960 teeth marks in the arm. And I look down and 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.160 I go, I look at the kid who bit and 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.480 I go, oh my god. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:32.760 Just a totally like justin. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.760 I did not even have time to think of it, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.120 just natural reaction. The mom who's not the mom of 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.000 the bier goes, okay, no need to shame the child. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:43.399 Oh god. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.120 And first of all, I'm a little like maybe there 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.880 is a little bit of a reason, But okay, I 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.920 understand that kids don't fully they're not well developed. So 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.760 this kid, this is how he's gonna learn not to bite. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.120 I shouldn't shame, but I'll so like just me saying, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.760 oh my god, didn't really feel super shaming, but sure whatever. Anyway, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.079 I'm like, okay, well, can you just give me a 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.200 second to process what just happened. My kid just got bit. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.640 So of course I pick up Adlar. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.720 I'm like, are you okay? And he's like, man, all 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:16.480 this hysterics. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.440 The family ends up coming over and saying, you know, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.480 we're really sorry. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.320 This is he's in a new school we're visiting. He's 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:26.160 from the East Coast. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.760 This sumone at school is a bier and he's learning 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.920 it from. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:35.839 The people from East Coast because like we didn't he's 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:36.800 from the East Coast. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.880 Sorry to get here, excuse. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.320 I think they were just letting us know he doesn't 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:53.240 live here, like we're not from here. And so they 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.840 just leave with the kid, which was the right thing 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.800 to do. Get your kid out of here, Yeah, just 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.760 you go handle him, don't leave me to shame him. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:08.040 So they leave. Now it was so traumatizing for Adler. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.280 There were a few, like a few weeks after that, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.840 where sometimes as he was falling asleep, he'd be like, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.200 do you remember. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.240 That time that that kid bit me? That was really scary. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.560 I I didn't like that, and I was like, I know, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.200 so we made a big deal. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.560 It was a big deal, like oh yeah, you'd we 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.920 just know, no matter what you do, not bite. So yesterday, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.479 oh gosh, Jensen gets a phone call from Keaton's school. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:42.640 Keaton bit a friend name it was a nameless friend 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.960 at the time and broke skin. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.200 Oh geez, he went all in. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.520 We were like, what happened? 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:57.719 Apparently they were pretending and Keaton was a spider and 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.080 he in the pretend play. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.920 He was a character. He was committed, he was method. 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:09.800 His friend so hard he broke skin. Apparently there was 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.960 no anger, there was no malice. It was it was 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.440 pretend play. The friend, although hurt immediately after, was okay 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.440 and they were friends. Come to find out then, because 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.840 they don't tell you who who whenever some whenever your 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.279 kid gets hurt or your kid hurts another person hippa, 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.480 I'm gonna call it hippo rules. They don't tell you 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.680 friend exactly friend friend. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.839 These friends are still friends. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.960 But so this morning I have to talk to Keaton 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.080 about it and I say, so, who you know who 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:42.840 did you bite? 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.880 And he goes, I don't want to tell you, and 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.080 I was like who is? 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:53.800 It turns out it's his best friend. Are very good friends, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.599 Michelle and Poria's son, who you guys know because they 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.640 came with us to Vegas and we made Kean a card. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.040 I had to have a very long conversation with Keaton 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:09.720 about how absolutely incredibly serious biting is that even if 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.200 it's make believe there's no reason to bite, it's very 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.159 very and I reminded him. I was like, don't you 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:21.200 remember when that kid tackled your brother please and bit 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.039 him on the arm. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:23.400 It was like traumatizing, and. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.599 Keaton had this whole thing, but I was a spy 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.200 but I had to It was like no, never ever. Okay, 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.719 Pinky promised me you'll never bite anyone again. So anyway, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.719 I'm I just feeling that in one year I went 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.680 from shaming a child for biting to being the mother 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:43.480 of a bier. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.960 Okay, I have a serious question though, Okay, are either 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.479 Adler or Keaton do they have a sudden aversion to sunlight? 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.960 Or garlic. At this point, I'm. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.400 Just some basic questions, right, you know what You're not 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.200 wrong to ask? 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.920 Walking around with pop callars, Yeah, exactly, sleep the time 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:09.600 they want to move to Seattle, there's they're glittering exactly. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.680 Also, you mentioned something that was a little triggering for me. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.520 Oh no, I'm going to be totally honest with you. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:15.040 Okay. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.320 I don't know if I've ever told either you or 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.960 ride or this because it is something from my past 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:20.760 that I try. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:21.400 To keep to myself. 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.440 Oh my gosh, but I was a leash child. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:31.040 Wait wait, wait, I was harness was actually run your 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.840 neck exactly. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.000 It was the body harness, seventies leash thing. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.040 I don't even know there were around in the seventies. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.360 I don't think they started in the seventies. I don't 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.720 think they're allowed even allowed anymore, can you? 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.680 I saw it was like in the nineties because yeah. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.480 Yeah, I Wilfredell was a leash child. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.240 Wow, So because you were a sprinter, you were a darter. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.040 I don't know, I don't know what it was. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.920 I think it was just by the third kid, just 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.120 easier to leash the kid up, tie me to a 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.000 tree so I could hand me a pack of smokes 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:02.760 and call it a day. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.880 So you know I was a leash kid. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.000 Yeah, that's amazing. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.880 So when you said the leash like take put on 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.640 a helmet, that was I didn't have a helmet, but 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.360 because no one wore helmets of the seventies. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:15.760 Of course not. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:17.440 It's like, hey, then throw the kid in the back 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.480 of a motorcycle, We're fine. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:19.800 But no, I was a leash child. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.080 Yeah. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:24.000 Wow, Indy had a friend who would just run, like. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.280 Just didn't like a dog. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.840 Did you have that like radar to stay near his parents? 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:29.960 Like? 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.120 He would just disappear, So they had to start writing 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.719 their phone number on his arm, you know, just a 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:37.800 case across. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.440 What about a dog? 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.160 Airt who sponsored us? 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.880 So don't we have an air tag sponsor somebody like that? Yeah, yeah, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:45.400 we sure do. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.400 Yeah, if your if your child runs away on pod 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:49.000 Meats World. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.000 Wow, that's so funny. Welcome to pod Meets World. I'm 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.360 Daniel Fishel, I'm rather strong, and I'm Wilford. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.040 Over the years, there's been a certain type of television 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.400 show that emerges from the depths of low Nielsen ratings. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.840 This isn't the Friends or Cheers or Seinfeld's of its day. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.880 It's the cult classic, the one that may not have 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.240 received the kudos and awards during its initial run, but 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:31.480 over time, decades later, it somehow survived and outlasted its 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.920 peers shows like Freaks and Geeks, Get a Life, The 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.560 Dana Carvey Show, Boy Meets World, and the show we 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.880 will be talking about today because our guest is none 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.240 other than the beloved QB two from a little show 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.680 called Friday Night Lights. Much like Tapanga, Sean or Eric, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.760 he'll always be known as Matt Sarason, the scrawnee kid 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.840 who was thrust into the Texas football spotlight when the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.320 star player went down with a career ending injury during 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.959 the season opener, and somehow that was his first real 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.200 job in Hollywood. He has since gone on to appear 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.560 in dozens of TV shows, including Good Girls and his 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.040 current run as a serial killer on Criminal Minds. And 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.000 he's part of the Mike Flanagan Netflix Cinematic Universe, starring 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.560 in The Great Midnight Mass and appearing in the Fall 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.680 of the House of Usher and The Midnight Club. But 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.960 he's here with us today to talk about what it's 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.600 like to be part of a show that will just 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.040 never go away, despite the fact that it was always 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.000 on the bubble of cancelation. We have a similar best 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.080 case scenario in our lives and we wanted to see 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:42.160 what he thought. Now approaching Friday Night Light's twentieth anniversary, so. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:43.520 Welcome to Pod meets World. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.600 Ready to throw a perfect spiral to our hearts. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:47.960 It's Zach Gilford. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.480 Zach, are you. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.720 Guys are so professional with your setups? I got this 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:55.839 stupid death though? 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.680 Is that a bunch of booze in the top left? 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.480 Don't worry about what's in the top. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:07.359 To some breakfastin. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.400 It's not using. It's just there for later. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.360 Zach, thank you so much for hanging out with us. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.480 We have been trying to get you on the podcast 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.120 for a while because we often talk about modern day 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.360 equivalents to Boy Meets World, and the best example we 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.160 can come up with is Friday Night Lights. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.920 Well, that's way too kind because y'all show is like 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.120 iconic to me and people don't even know my character. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.040 Name, So no, that's not true. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.600 Actually, have you accepted that the first line of your 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.520 obituary will probably say Saracen. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:49.559 It will probably say like Sorensen or something like that. No, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:54.439 it's like people they're like Matt Scarison. I'm like, enough. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.360 Now we still get like Boys meets Boys, get the 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:01.800 title right, and we're like, it's fun. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.719 It's while ago it. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.120 Was a show that's like, yeah, exactly, I was on 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.800 the show on the. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.319 Oh. Well, next year is going to mark the twenty 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.760 twentieth anniversary since the premiere, fifteen years since it went 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.319 off the air. How often does Friday night Lights still 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.000 come up for you? 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.400 I mean all the time. Sorry, I have like fidget toys, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:27.360 I can't sit still. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.240 That's okay, it comes up a lot. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:30.920 I mean it's great. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.760 It's I mean, as you guys know, it's so cool 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.839 to be associated with something that holds such a. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.080 Special part in people's lives. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.400 And I think as actors, you're lucky to have one 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:46.040 project that really kind of strikes with people. And I 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.520 think for me, I always feel kind of like, because 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.199 I play Make Belief for a living. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.440 To have people validate that for me good. It's really 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.920 nice because I love you believe. You're still getting baking 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.760 and I'm like, don't talk to my kids about it. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.920 They're like, pretend you're a tiger and you said, Oh 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.520 my god, you're so cute. I'm like, oh my god, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:10.200 you're so cute. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:13.760 Let's try it again. Let's try it again. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.240 A commitment. I can't. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.320 I know that you grew up near Chicago. You're not 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.600 a Hollywood kid at all. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.600 So how did you get into acting? 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.800 I mean I got into it, I mean my story, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:38.000 your origin. I remember I saw Diehard Too and Bruce 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.040 Willis was hanging off the wing of a plane, and 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:40.439 I just. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.520 Thought, that looks so cool. I want to do that. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.400 And I realized the only way I'll ever do that 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:46.040 is if. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.360 I'm an actor and I make believe to hang off 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:49.199 the wing of a plane. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.040 Then I just said I want to be an actor. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.679 My parents were very supportive, and they were like, well, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.040 if you want to be an actor, you got to 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:56.959 go to Northwestern. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.080 I grew up around Chicago. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.040 I went to Northwestern. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.520 Yeah, Bill, Bill Daniels, and Bonnie I think went to Northwestern. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.640 Oh okay, yeah, yeah, pretty sure. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:08.320 That's where they met. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.680 They brainwashed people into thinking it's one of the top 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.360 acting schools. So I was brainwashed earlier that I had 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.000 to go there, and and everyone was surprised I got 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.760 in me more than anyone, and I went there and 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.640 you know, just took classes, did a bunch of plays, 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.600 and then I just got very very very lucky early 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:32.640 in my career. And not just lucky like preparation meets opportunity, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.560 but like they didn't even want me for the show. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.520 They wanted someone else and they couldn't work out the 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.520 dates with him. This kid was like already pre booked 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.160 on a Disney TV movie that was shooting in New Zealand, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.080 and I guess his manager had, you know, just kept 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.760 telling NBC, we can work out the dates. We can 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.840 work out the dates, and they kept trying, and they 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.600 finally are like, we shoot this show in like four days, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.320 and they didn't have time to cast anyone else. And 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.800 I was the first to have tested against him, and 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.640 just by default because people wanted this kid, and Linda Lowie, 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.440 the casting director, was like, well, you need to have 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.320 someone else there. He's like, I don't need anyone else there. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.600 That's who I want, and they're like, well, just bring 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.000 someone else in. He's like why, and Linda was like, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:12.840 well what about Zach. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:13.400 He was good. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.680 He's like, I don't care, bring it. Sorry. He was like, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.040 I don't care, bring whoever you want. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.680 And then I was last man standing and got the 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:21.920 job and just did my best. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:27.440 Wow, I'm sorry, I have why why did you start 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:28.640 with die Hard too? 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.200 Yeah? Not even one. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.480 I didn't want to walk across broken glass, you know, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:37.400 I don't know. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.240 I just remember that being the moment when I was like, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.600 that seems fun. Yeah, I want to do that, and 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.520 I guess this is the only way it's going to happen. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.240 So you did that one test where you tested opposite 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.480 the guy they really wanted I know who? 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:53.880 Yeah. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.840 No, I actually I had auditioned originally for Taylor Kitchen's 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.400 role for Riggins while I was in New York, and 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.120 it was like a month later because I was before 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.960 the holidays. And then it was January and I was 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.480 in LA for my first pilot season and my manager 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.440 was like, they want to see you again for Friday Lights. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.600 I said, oh great. When he said this afternoon, I 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.400 was like, I literally just drove into La. I'm not 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.000 even into the place I'm staying yet. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.560 So I went I printed like I think I have 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.560 the sides in my email somewhere, and I went to 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:27.480 Starbucks and like hand wrote the sides out and remember these. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:28.080 And I go in. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.680 I talked to Linda Lowie and she's like, okay, great, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.520 you're a read. I said, yeah, let's go and she 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.400 said you're reading for Matt right, And I was like 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.280 what I thought I was reading for Tim. She's like, oh, no, 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:39.800 I wanted to. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:40.560 See you for Matt. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.280 And I said, oh, well, can I just look at 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.480 it real quick? Like can I have five minutes you 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.080 can see someone else? And then she said don't don't 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:49.840 worry about it, and I said no. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.600 No, I'm very worried. I would love to do this. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.880 Look, I'll do cold read. Just give it to me, 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.760 like I'll go. And she was like, no, no, I'm 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.600 sure you'll be fine. I'll bring you in for producers 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.640 next week. And I was like okay. So there was 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.960 like many roles, rolls, rounds of you know, going in 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.200 my first time. When I was suposed to go in 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.440 for producers, Pete Berg came story like. I was like, next, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.359 I was in the on deck chair sitting by the 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.719 door to go in, and he like stormed out on 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.640 the phone and got in the elemantor and the. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.240 Casting came out and said sorry, he just needed to 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.440 take a phone call. He'll be back in a minute. 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.600 I was like, okay, I mean, I got no order 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.560 to be And so then he came back in and 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.280 there's this kid who I'm convinced just for the lore 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.399 of the story was the kid that he wanted, and 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:35.800 it was this I call. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.480 Him football Boy. He's literally holding a football for the audition, 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:46.120 like bro, like what a nerd? And of course Pete 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.520 Burg goes, who are you. He's like, I'm I don't 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:49.280 even remember his name. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:50.040 Football guy. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.479 Yeah, he's like, I'm a football boy. And he's like, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.160 I want to see football boy. And the casting director 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:55.720 was like, well. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.680 It's Zach's up. We can see football boy. Next he 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.920 was like, no, I want to see football boy. They're like, okay, Zach, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.960 you might like I don't mind, Sure, go ahead, st 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.240 I have fun, right, So football boy goes. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.520 In, go for it, Brad. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.440 Yeah. Football boy comes out, and then Pete Burg comes 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:11.960 out again and gets the elevator. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.760 And leaves again. Oh Goshin comes out again and says. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.399 I'm so sorry Pete had to leave reading to the 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.760 other producers. Of course, you're like, no, I don't mind 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.520 reading for the producer so I go in, I read, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.119 and then like, we're gonna bring it back for Pete. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.480 And then oh gosh, I came back for Pete. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.399 And then I tested for the studio and got to 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.880 go to the network. And the super fun thing about 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.199 Pete Burg and the way we did that show is 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.879 he likes to improve a lot. So I go in 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.040 for my network test, which is at that point in time, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:40.840 it was the version where you go into a room 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.480 and there's all these execs sitting on like window sills 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.720 and like desks and like in one office, and Pete's like, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.720 all right, I'm gonna read with you, like okay, and 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.320 he gives me the first line of the scene, which 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.679 is with my Grandma, and I give him a second 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:54.800 and then he just starts. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:55.280 Making it up. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:56.639 Oh my gosh. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.040 I was just like in my head, I was just like, 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.040 I guess I'll just go with it. And he did 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.639 that to everyone. I think part of it was that's 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.080 the way he likes to work on sets. We wanted 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.159 to see, yeah, sure could do it, so you know, 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.520 eventually blah blah blah, football boy couldn't do it. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.240 And so there it was unbelievable. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.480 Well, you were great, but you weren't holding the football next, you. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.480 Know, and no imagination. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:21.720 I brought a prop to every audition. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:30.600 So now, had you read the book or seen the 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.280 documentary before you read the pilot? 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:32.920 Both? 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.399 Yeah, I'd seen the movie and I loved it. And 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.520 I actually had read the book because I loved. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.240 The movie so much and I'm a pretty avid reader. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.520