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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Turn the Page addition as

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Speaker 1: the Bengals officially transition from the Andy Dalton era to

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Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow era. Coming up, I'll talk to Dave

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Speaker 1: Lapham about Andy's legacy in Cincinnati and why the Bengals

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Speaker 1: elected to let him go now instead of holding on

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Speaker 1: to him as long as possible in hopes of swinging

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Speaker 1: a trade. We'll replay a short portion of an interview

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Speaker 1: we did with Andy late last season that hits home

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Speaker 1: following his release, and I'll talk to the Bengals new

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher on Joe Burrow, Andy Dalton and

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Speaker 1: how a summer handyman job as a college student helped

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Speaker 1: him eventually wind up coaching in the NFL. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: Booth Podcast is presented by Prime Sport, the official fan,

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Speaker 1: travel and hospitality partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. And here's

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Speaker 1: a quick reminder that you can add the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of this podcast delivered rite to your phone, tablet, or

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Speaker 1: computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or Podbean.

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since the Andy and AJ Dalton Foundation.

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Speaker 1: As college students at TCU, Andy and his wife JJ

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Speaker 1: decided they would start a foundation to help seriously ill

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Speaker 1: and physically challenge children and their families. Since then, they've

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Speaker 1: paid for entertainment hubs for kids in multiple hospitals, hosted

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Speaker 1: date nights for parents of seriously ill children where the

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Speaker 1: Daltons entertain the kids while their parents are treated to

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Speaker 1: an expensive dinner date. They've treated children to Christmas parties

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Speaker 1: and trips to King's Island, and they've purchased medical equipment

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Speaker 1: In short, they've been incredibly generous with their time and resources.

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Speaker 1: For more information about their foundation or to make a donation,

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Speaker 1: just go to Andy Dalton dot org. My first year

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Speaker 1: is the Bengals radio play by play announcer was Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton's first year at quarterback, and I remember reading a

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Speaker 1: story in Sports Illustrated around the time he was drafted

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Speaker 1: where an unnamed NFL coach said the following to Peter King,

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Speaker 1: has there ever been a redheaded quarterback in the NFL

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Speaker 1: He's right, it was idiotic, but I remembered that quote

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Speaker 1: the first time I met Andy and saw just how

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Speaker 1: red his hair is. That's why I decided to have

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Speaker 1: some fun with it in his first preseason by calling

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Speaker 1: him the Red Rifle. The nickname certainly stuck. Andy's accomplishments

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Speaker 1: were nothing short of remarkable, five straight playoff trips, the

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Speaker 1: best winning percentage of any Bengals QB with twenty five

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe that would have happened in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: That year, his passer rating was a franchise record one

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Speaker 1: race when he broke his thumb. Unfortunately, the Bengals have

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Speaker 1: not been back to the playoffs since last year. Before

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Speaker 1: the season opener in Seattle, I asked the three time

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Speaker 1: I think anytime you can stay in one place for

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Speaker 1: have plenty of good football left. It'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: discussed with my broadcast partner, Dave lapham Lap. What is

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's legacy in Cincinnati. I think he's He's a

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Speaker 1: his first fifty seven or seventy six games, fifty twenty

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Speaker 1: reasons why. I mean, when he started out his career

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Speaker 1: He still believes the starting NFL quarterback. And you know,

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Speaker 1: stranger things have happened. But I mean, if he goes

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Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't close that door because you know, one

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Speaker 1: sure Joe Burrow could have learned from Andy Dalton as

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Speaker 1: part of his legacy is what he did off the field.

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Speaker 1: side of things. You know, I learned how to study players,

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Speaker 1: you know, really and in all different positions. You know,

429
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Speaker 1: my background had been in the quarterback position, so you're

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Speaker 1: naturally exposed the offensive skill positions and and kind of

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Speaker 1: what makes guys UH successful in those areas. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of other positions on the field that

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Speaker 1: you know, I've never really known what to look for

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Speaker 1: and what made a good defensive tackle, you know, or

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Speaker 1: what made a what made a good UH strong safety

436
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Speaker 1: versus a free safety. So you know, there was different

437
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Speaker 1: things positionally that I was able to learn, and then

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Speaker 1: I think I also benefited me greatly that I was

439
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Speaker 1: able to kind of learn, um the business of the

440
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Speaker 1: NFL in terms of roster construction, salary cap all the

441
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Speaker 1: all the factors that go into the decisions that get

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Speaker 1: made on a daily basis. Bengals coaches are heavily involved

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Speaker 1: in scouting in the weeks and months leading up to

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Speaker 1: the draft. Did that scouting experience come in handy for

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Speaker 1: you as you were evaluating Joe Burrow and the other

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks this year. Yeah. Yeah, I think it kind of

447
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: has every year since I've been here. Um, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: because you do from you know, from the day of

449
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Speaker 1: the season ends until the draft. That's it's a good

450
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Speaker 1: bulk of what we do here. And Sattie and I

451
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing. You know, we were We're

452
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Speaker 1: fortunate that we get input into the process and that

453
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Speaker 1: our opinions are are valued by management and by Duke

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Speaker 1: and his staff, and it's definitely something I drawn. The

455
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Speaker 1: Bengals hired you to join the coaching staff in twenty sixteen.

456
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Speaker 1: You've worked with wide receivers and quarterbacks in the past,

457
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Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, now you are the quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 1: This past season. Zach Taylor puts you in charge of

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Speaker 1: game management, and you really studied ends of halves and

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Speaker 1: ends of games correct, correct, it was. It was really

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Speaker 1: a great experience for me, you know that Zach kind

462
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Speaker 1: of gave me that role. So essentially I would I

463
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Speaker 1: would just every week study situations that occurred across the league,

464
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Speaker 1: and then really leading up into the role, I kind

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Speaker 1: of studied the prior year of all the different end

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Speaker 1: of half, end of game, two minute, four minute situations,

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Speaker 1: and just the decision making process that goes into things like, well,

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Speaker 1: when do you call timeout versus when do you hurry

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Speaker 1: up to the line and try to get another playoff

470
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Speaker 1: all the clocks running, or you know, there's all sorts

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Speaker 1: of different things that come up. You know, when when

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Speaker 1: might you decline a penalty you when otherwise it might

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Speaker 1: you know, you just naturally think, oh, we want to

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Speaker 1: accept that penalty. Well, there might be cases where the

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Speaker 1: implications that it has on the clock would lead you

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Speaker 1: to want to decline the penalty. So there's just all

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Speaker 1: sorts of little rules things that go in there and

478
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Speaker 1: all the things that you have to factor into making

479
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Speaker 1: decisions very quickly on game day that can have an

480
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Speaker 1: effect on whether you went or lose. Let's go back

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Speaker 1: to the Miami game, next to last game of the

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Speaker 1: regular season. You're down by twenty three in the fourth quarter.

483
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton throws a touchdown pass to cut it to

484
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Speaker 1: sixteen with six eleven to go, and when Miami got

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Speaker 1: the ball back, you started calling timeouts immediately. You called

486
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Speaker 1: one with six or two to go, You're out of

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Speaker 1: time out to about four minutes to go. Was that

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Speaker 1: specifically the result of you studying when do you timeouts

489
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Speaker 1: at the ends of games? Uh? Yeah, I think it

490
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Speaker 1: probably played played a pretty large role in those decisions.

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Speaker 1: I know Zach was was was looking for my input

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Speaker 1: and those parts of the game, and he, you know

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Speaker 1: very much would would listen to the suggestions that that

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Speaker 1: that we made. UM. You know, we also had UM

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Speaker 1: Sam Francis, who's a analytics UM guy with US and Cincinnati,

496
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Speaker 1: was tremendous help to me and he was sitting right

497
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Speaker 1: next to me on game days, so he would kind

498
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Speaker 1: of help with those decisions as well. But yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: really at that point in the game, it just it

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Speaker 1: becomes about maximizing the value of your timeouts, and so

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Speaker 1: when you're trying to get the ball back, you want

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Speaker 1: to use timeouts in situations where you have a high

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Speaker 1: likelihood of preventing the team from converting a first down,

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00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: and so it becomes a little strategic. You can be

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Speaker 1: a little more, um, it can vary a little more

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Speaker 1: in terms of when you use them when there's more

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Speaker 1: time left on the clock and when you're still in

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Speaker 1: a two score game like that, you're really in your

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Speaker 1: inform in a mode even though there's still six minutes

510
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Speaker 1: less than the game, just because of how many points

511
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Speaker 1: you still need to score. Bill Belichick seemed to expose

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Speaker 1: a loophole in the rules last year with an intentional

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Speaker 1: delay of game followed by an intentional false start because

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Speaker 1: you can't have back to back intentional delay of games,

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Speaker 1: and then the Titans used it against Bill Belichick in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. What would your reaction when he did that

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Speaker 1: and did the team go over it the next week? Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, it's it's something that has

519
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Speaker 1: happened a lot in the past in NFL games. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, we were we were well aware of that strategy. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, prior to the season, we talked about it

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Speaker 1: with with with coach Simmons, and unfortunately we weren't ahead

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Speaker 1: in many games in the fourth quarter where we could

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Speaker 1: have used it to our advantage. But it's it's something

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Speaker 1: we you know, we were aware of and just really

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Speaker 1: never came up in terms of us being able to

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Speaker 1: use it. But I think they're talking about, if they

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Speaker 1: haven't already, the Competition Committee maybe maybe closing that loophole.

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Speaker 1: But it was it was something we knew could potentially happen,

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Speaker 1: and it was. It wasn't all that surprising to see it.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting the Bengals quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher. We are

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Speaker 1: doing this interview one week to the day after the

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Speaker 1: selection of Joe Burrow number one overall in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Of his many impressive qualities, what's at the top of

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Speaker 1: the list for you? Well, I'll kind of go in

536
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: two different categories as a as a as a player,

537
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: just his physical skill set. The easiest one is his accuracy,

538
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Speaker 1: but I even look a little bit more at his

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Speaker 1: ability to manipulate the pocket and extend the play. I

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00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: think he has tremendous natural feel, pocket presence, spatial awareness

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Speaker 1: to where he can do things that just come very

542
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: natural to him. With a lot of chaos around him.

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: He remains calm home and he can escape. He can

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Speaker 1: move within the pocket and still deliver the ball. It's

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Speaker 1: something that really jumps out at you. And then the

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Speaker 1: other thing I would just look at it just um

547
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Speaker 1: his intangible is his makeup. He's an intense competitor. He

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Speaker 1: has a big picture perspective that's uncommon for rookie quarterbacks

549
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Speaker 1: and he's capable of handling a lot mentally, and so

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Speaker 1: that that bodes well for his development going forward. Leading

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Speaker 1: up to the draft, the team took advantage of every

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Speaker 1: zoom call opportunity it had to talk with Joe, and

553
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Speaker 1: you were involved in that. What did those zoom meetings

554
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Speaker 1: typically involve? Well, we use them mainly isn't a valued

555
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: of measure? So we're really this is kind of across

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Speaker 1: the board, not just with Joe, but you're you're, you're

557
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Speaker 1: you're teaching them some uh specific things to our offense

558
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: and then kind of asking him to teach it back

559
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Speaker 1: just to test the ability to process to routine to

560
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Speaker 1: recall that stuff. Um. So that's a pretty standard process.

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Speaker 1: And you know you're watching tape, you watch some of

562
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: LSU tape, you watch some Bengals tape, and and in

563
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: there too, you're trying to get to know the person,

564
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: um And it's not easy to do when you're doing

565
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: it via the internet, but you try to have just

566
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Speaker 1: some personal conversations get to kind of know how how

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Speaker 1: he ticks. And I think we're able to do that

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Speaker 1: pretty well. Dan, You're only thirty three years old, and

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Speaker 1: if Joe is the starting quarterback has anticipated your career

570
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Speaker 1: as a quarterbacks coach is going to align with his

571
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Speaker 1: career as a starting quarterback. What does that mean to you? Well,

572
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Speaker 1: I know how hard I'm going to work, and everything

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Speaker 1: I've learned about Joe suggests, uh, He's going to be

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Speaker 1: the exact same way. And so it's it's comforting to

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Speaker 1: um to know, you know, as a young coach with

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Speaker 1: a with a young player, that he's wired the way

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Speaker 1: that he is, and you know, in terms of big picture,

578
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Speaker 1: you know what it means career wise, I'm not really

579
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Speaker 1: concerned with that right now. I'm concerned about really getting

580
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Speaker 1: Joe and and Jake and Ryan, you know, in the

581
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: best position they can be in to play their best football.

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Speaker 1: And when you're doing that, you don't have much time

583
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Speaker 1: to think about other stuff. How difficult is it going

584
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: to be for Joe to prepare for his rookie year

585
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: without a typical offseason program. Yeah, it's It's definitely a

586
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: new element that we're not used to having to navigate,

587
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: and so it'll be tough. Just how tough, you know,

588
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Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody can say right now, because

589
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: we don't know how long this is gonna last and

590
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: when we'll be able to get back together, so we

591
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: can't worry about it. We just have to put together

592
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: a structure that gives gives all of our guys a

593
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: great chance to be successful. And then whenever the physical

594
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Speaker 1: reps do come back, we got to take advantage of

595
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Speaker 1: every single one of them because they will be fewer

596
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Speaker 1: than they have been in the past. A couple more

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Speaker 1: questions for Bengals quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher. The Bengals have

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Speaker 1: decided to release Andy Dalton to give him the opportunity

599
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: to sign on with another team. What are your biggest

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Speaker 1: takeaways from working with Andy for a few years? Good player,

601
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: an even better person. He's been outstanding with me, you know,

602
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: just getting to know him over the last four years,

603
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: and you know, working closer and closer with him every year.

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00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Got great admiration for his character, for his professionalism, how

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00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: he's approached his role, and how he's prepared for his

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00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: role and been able to have success over a long

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Speaker 1: period of time. Obviously, none of us are satisfied or

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Speaker 1: happy with the lack of wins in the recent couple

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Speaker 1: of years, but you know, and he's done everything that

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00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: he could have done. Um and um um, I'll always

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00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: be an Andy Dalton fan. I hope wherever he goes

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00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: he continues to have success, just not against the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know he's he's going to continue do

614
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: great things. He's a he's a really good person. Um.

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00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of impact in the community that

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00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with football. So I think I

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Speaker 1: had a ton of respect for him. Last thing for

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Speaker 1: Bengals quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher. In the last year, I've

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Speaker 1: heard Zach Taylor refer to you as a superstar and

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Speaker 1: as a rising star. Describe your relationship with the boss. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's often nice him to say those things. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know about either of those characterizations. But Zack's

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Speaker 1: been great with me from the beginning. I had met

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Speaker 1: Zack maybe one time before he got the job, and

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Speaker 1: he has given me responsibility and treated me with a

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00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: type of respect that I probably hadn't even earned when

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Speaker 1: he yeah here. So I'm very grateful for that, and

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Speaker 1: I just want to do the best job possible so

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Speaker 1: that we all can have success. Appreciate the time, best

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Speaker 1: of luck and your interactions with Joe Burrow and the

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Speaker 1: other Cincinnati quarterbacks and look forward to seeing you face

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Speaker 1: to face when that's allowed again. Thanks to I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode of the

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