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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire?

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Speaker 3: Bam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Tuesday, January

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Speaker 3: twenty eighth. Oh boy, do we have a phenomenal guest today.

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Speaker 3: One of the guys I totally enjoyed growing up reading

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Speaker 3: as a columnist, as a humorist, just chiming in on

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Speaker 3: sports takes. I would say, if you said, Jason, who

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Speaker 3: were the most ten of the most influential people sports

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Speaker 3: media wise on your career? Without a doubt, Norman Chad

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Speaker 3: is in that list. He has been like a columnist,

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Speaker 3: he's been syndicated, but that was all during the newspaper.

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Speaker 3: Now he writes columns still for a couple of online

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Speaker 3: outfits and print media. And you know, he's got a

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Speaker 3: podcast because he's Norman Chad and he's got a lot

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Speaker 3: to say and he's funny.

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Speaker 2: So I thought i'd hit him up just see what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 3: And uh, he's got a lot of takes and opinions,

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Speaker 3: some stronger than others. And if you couldn't tell, I

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Speaker 3: like laughing at his jokes. Here's a Norman Chad syndicated

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Speaker 3: sports columnist.

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Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 1: fans want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows a

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Speaker 1: guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire.

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Speaker 3: One of my all time favorite columnists voices Uh sports comedians,

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Speaker 3: if you will. I've been reading this guy forever and

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Speaker 3: I've to talk to him on a couple of podcasts before.

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Speaker 3: Norman Chad just a big time legend in sports media.

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Speaker 2: Norman, how are you on this glorious Monday.

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Speaker 4: I've been better, I've been worse. It's good to see

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Speaker 4: you're all growing up and working, and you know, working

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Speaker 4: good for a real you know, a real company.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Norman loves to fire bars, just left and right. That's

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Speaker 2: how he operates. Let's start with the with life at large.

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Speaker 2: You know you've covered the media forever. You had a

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Speaker 2: column in the Washington Post. The Washington Post. Is that

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Speaker 2: still kicking a lot? I don't know if it's still around.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos may have dumped it. Trump might have made

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Speaker 2: him do it. I don't know. But how do you

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Speaker 2: make sense of the media landscape currently. I'm assuming you're

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Speaker 2: big on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just I just was forced onto TikTok.

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Speaker 4: Had never watched TikTok till about six weeks ago. And

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Speaker 4: I started doing our gambling podcast last year called Gambling Mad,

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Speaker 4: and the people who are branding it and marketing it

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Speaker 4: decided to put us out on TikTok.

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Speaker 5: And once I looked Attok, Jason, it's.

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Speaker 4: One of those things where you wish you were like

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Speaker 4: ten years ago, ten years old again, and you weren't

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Speaker 4: looking at TikTok. It just didn't do much for me.

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Speaker 4: The media lampscape right now obviously is wide open. It's wonderful,

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Speaker 4: it's ragged, it's scary, and I'm most worried about the

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Speaker 4: so called legacy media, which of course Elon Musk and

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Speaker 4: others are dumping on endlessly at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of strange, like the conference championship

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Speaker 2: games happen, right and now we're in the Everybody has

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Speaker 2: a Voice era, and everybody's shouting anonymously not anonymously, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's bots or what have you,

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Speaker 2: but it just feels it just feels different, Like has

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Speaker 4: And that's the problem, the fact that it is so crowded.

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Speaker 4: Whoever is more outlandish or louder is going to get

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Speaker 4: noticed more. And that's part of the problem what we've

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Speaker 4: seen over the past ten or twenty years out on

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Speaker 4: the media landscape. You have to be louder and more

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Speaker 4: outlandish to hold your spot, and so more reasonable, measured

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Speaker 4: thinking really gets buried. In fact, if you ever I

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Speaker 4: don't know, you wouldn't be asked back yet. So sometimes

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Speaker 4: the answer is I don't know. But you're not allowed

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Speaker 4: I've said for many, many years, there is some there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're basically expected to have a serious, scorching hot

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Speaker 2: You hear rumors that, hey, Adam Schefter is kind of

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Speaker 2: feeling the same burnout. And I don't know, it's like

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Speaker 2: on social media. You gotta have takes. There is no

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Speaker 4: No, my favorite committee Donald talking about the burnout of

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Speaker 4: feed he used to live tweat golf tournaments.

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Speaker 5: You can have tweaked anything.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, I've live tweeted a lot of NFL games and

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Speaker 4: can look at his Twitter feed right now and you'd

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Speaker 4: that one. Here comes Macelroy. I mean, it's just like

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Speaker 4: think he's heavily medicated. Why are you doing this? Why

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Speaker 4: But you got to keep the brand alive, and so

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Speaker 4: it does make more reasonable thought. You know, Adam Schefter

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Speaker 4: is famous for having two or three cell phones. I

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Speaker 5: That's one or two cell phones too many.

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Speaker 4: And it's just, you know, some things that Adam do

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Speaker 4: I really disagree with, because that's a whole other thing

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Speaker 4: exchanging information with news subjects. That's a whole other topic.

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Speaker 4: But they're just out there, and ESPN wants you out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back in the day when you were doing your columns,

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Speaker 2: There's no I mean, you've got like what five minutes

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know where this ends.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't this genie you don't put back into the

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Speaker 5: I don't know where it ends.

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Speaker 4: Where we're polarized with You know, we've got this tribe

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Speaker 4: even now have an outbreak from Twitter from X Blue Sky,

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Speaker 4: Blue Sky. Well, X is Fox News and Blue Sky

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Speaker 4: is MSNBC. So it's always that doesn't end either. What

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Speaker 4: kills me, though, Jason, is when I used to write

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Speaker 4: a sports media column and the obviously now anybody can

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Speaker 4: just sign on and be a sports media columnist. You know,

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Speaker 4: you don't need a background. I remember executive producer of

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Speaker 4: NFL Sports at CBS, guy named Ted Shaker, real smart guy.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: He told me once this is what he doesn't understand

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Speaker 4: You know, if you've got a popular TV show, let's

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Speaker 5: Emergency whatever they reviewed at the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 4: They might watch the first couple of episodes, and then

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Speaker 4: and nobody ever talks about it.

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Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 4: What he didn't understand then, and this is because of

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Speaker 4: the USA today business of having a sports media column

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Speaker 4: every other day, is that when we do a sports

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Speaker 4: television broadcast, every single one is dissected by these people

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Speaker 5: These are just a bunch of media columns that weren't

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Speaker 5: on many. He says. You know, how come the networks

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Speaker 5: in prime time they get one blasted way. Oh, the

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Speaker 5: Cosme Show is back. Looks like it's be pretty good.

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Speaker 4: And we if we put up a bad graphic on

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Speaker 4: the third quarter of a Buccaneer Saints game, it's law

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Speaker 4: the week. And he was right, it made no sense. Well,

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Speaker 4: now what he was talking about, it's that times one hundred. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there are just not a million websites out there covering this.

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Speaker 5: On every move is Tom Brady good? Is Tom Brady bad?

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Speaker 4: But as you know, just on on social media alone,

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Speaker 5: Are you nuts? Just you know, take a baseball back

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Speaker 5: to your head? And he learned quickly you can't do that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's the most toxic room in the world.

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Speaker 4: How are you going to broadcast normally while they're calling

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they just everybody smothers you. Now when you're

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Speaker 3: Do you have anybody asking you, hey, man, I want

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Speaker 3: to go into sports media. I want to major in

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're doing what I'm doing and telling people, dude,

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Speaker 2: I would not go into this industry. Is it's doa

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Speaker 2: right now, it's cratering, it's only getting worse. Is that

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Speaker 2: and encouraging people to get into journalism?

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Speaker 5: It's both so on the first half. I agree with

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Speaker 4: In fact, i'd go in once or twice a year

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Speaker 4: for a sports writer friend of mine who was a

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Speaker 4: ten years ago, and this is just ten years ago.

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Speaker 5: He cut me off.

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Speaker 4: He had me come in and talked to the class

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Speaker 4: in the fall, in the spring, and my message got

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Speaker 4: too dark for him.

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Speaker 5: He stopped inviting me because I told him run for

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Speaker 4: I said, there's more opportunity than ever now, but it

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Speaker 4: is a crater screwed up landscape out there. It's going

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Speaker 4: to be tough for you. You have to have a

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Speaker 4: passion for it. So I told him to go another direction. However,

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Speaker 4: I told him, if you do have a passion for it,

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Speaker 4: we need it worse than ever. And one of the

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Speaker 4: areas I've been wrong, Jason, you mentioned the Washington Post

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Speaker 4: at the beginning, which I worked most of my career for.

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Speaker 4: I thought, with all this incredible avalanche of information that

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Speaker 2: Norman, Where do you if you don't mind, Like, what

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Speaker 4: Title Game thirty three straight years, he would he would

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00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 4: be running butt naked down the middle of every street

437
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Speaker 4: in America.

438
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Speaker 5: So he has no appetite for Chiefs Eagles. Who are

439
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 5: we kidding?

440
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Speaker 4: It's a great storyline, just like Chiefs Bills was a

441
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 4: great storyline.

442
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 5: I have no appetite anymore.

443
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 4: For the Chiefs are getting the breaks and the Chiefs

444
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,119
Speaker 4: it's rigged against. It's rigged for the Chiefs, which is

445
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 4: a bs. They might be getting breaks these happen and cycles.

446
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 4: As far as it being rigged, I want to I

447
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 4: want to see the chain of command on that.

448
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 5: I want to know on how that works. To start

449
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Speaker 5: with you down and.

450
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Speaker 4: You know, is there any has anybody ever come out

451
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 4: and said, you can't believe what the NFL told me today.

452
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 4: They told me the referee with one thirty five left

453
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Speaker 4: in the game and a close game is going to

454
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Speaker 4: call this incredible penalty to allow them to win.

455
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Speaker 2: All that is complete bonkers nonsense. So I don't think

456
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: anybody thinks it's rigged. It is fun to talk about

457
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 2: the penalties and the Josh Allen sneak and one referee

458
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: look like it said a first down and the other

459
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Speaker 2: said no. It's a fun talking point.

460
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Speaker 3: But yet I don't think anybody reasonable thinks it's actually rigged.

461
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Speaker 5: I think some people do.

462
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 4: I mean, we've got enough people that obviously think our

463
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 4: elections have been rigged, so why wouldn't they think a

464
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: sporting contest is rigged. You know, I've heard about the

465
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 4: NBA for years and again, is their favoritism towards the

466
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Speaker 4: big stars?

467
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Speaker 5: There might be it just just just w I don't

468
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 5: even think about it an unconscious thing. But it's not. It's

469
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Speaker 5: it's never been rigged for the big stars in the NBA.

470
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Speaker 4: And it's, by the way, something of the NFL is

471
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Speaker 4: trying to get the Kansas City Chiefs and the ninety

472
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Speaker 4: seventh biggest market in the country to make the Super

473
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Speaker 4: Bowl every year.

474
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Speaker 5: So I do think some people think it's rigged. I

475
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 5: get too much mail time, you know it's rigged.

476
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Speaker 2: Jeez. I would try to break that down by age,

477
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: but I'll pass on that. Let me ask you more

478
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Speaker 2: unlikable dynasty chiefs A Patriots with Brady and Belichick.

479
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Speaker 4: It's not even close. For me, and I'm biased on this,

480
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 4: the Patriots are much more likable. First of all, the

481
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Speaker 4: Patriots had Belichick is not exactly you know, Andy Reid

482
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 4: versus Belichick is Santa Claus versus Bill Belichie. I mean,

483
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Speaker 4: if you have video Gate and you have deflate Gate,

484
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 4: and you have incredible accusations about they head sets on

485
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Speaker 4: the other sideline going down for a key times, the

486
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: Patriots history of that stuff is incredible. Plus, the Boston

487
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 4: the New England fan base is a little harder to

488
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 4: take than virtually any fan base in the country.

489
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Speaker 5: They'd be top five for Oh, get them out of me,

490
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 5: get them away from me, Jets.

491
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Speaker 4: You know some of New York people Eagles fans, Raiders fans,

492
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Speaker 4: Patriots fans, Chiefs fans, you know, if they should.

493
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Speaker 5: Stop doing.

494
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: Besides that, they're you know, like Buffalo fans. They are

495
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 4: out there, it's a big deal. It's the biggest thing

496
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Speaker 4: in town. They want to win.

497
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Speaker 5: So I think the Chiefs are much more likable. Yeah.

498
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Speaker 2: So, like you're a sports guy, You've been around sports forever,

499
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: writing about it, making people laugh. When some random guy

500
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Speaker 2: comes up to you and it's like, hey, who's a

501
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: better quarterback?

502
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Speaker 1: Mahomes or Brady?

503
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Speaker 2: Do you is that the kind of thing you just like,

504
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 2: I hate these goat topics, Jordan Lebron or do you

505
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 2: care about them to get engaged and crack one liners.

506
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Speaker 5: I don't get engaged. I understand it's the nature of sports.

507
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 5: So it's benign.

508
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 4: If you want to send the bar and go mj

509
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: or mj or Lebron, go right ahead and do it.

510
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm going to move three stools down

511
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Speaker 4: and maybe discuss.

512
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 5: Rembrandt versus da Vinci.

513
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Speaker 4: I am the way, you know, one way or the other,

514
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 4: so it's kind of endless. I always talk about just

515
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: appreciate how good these people are in their day and age,

516
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: and you know, it's hard to argue with how good

517
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: Lebron's been for twenty years, how good Kope was for

518
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 4: twenty years, how good MJ was for twenty years. So

519
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 4: the argument square me out. But it's the nature of sports.

520
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 4: I have no big problem with it. I just don't

521
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 4: want to be around it all the time because it's

522
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: just it's never ending, and there's no answer.

523
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Speaker 2: That's the kind of hot take that will not go viral.

524
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: Right there, there's no answer. Let me ask you. JJ

525
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: Reddick takes over the Lakers job and he had an

526
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: amazing phrase that I had never heard, but man, I

527
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: love it. Engagement farming, where essentially you know what people

528
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 2: are going to click on and get people riled up,

529
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: and you just put that out on social media. And

530
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Speaker 2: I gotta admit to JJ, I've been stealing that.

531
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Speaker 5: A little bit.

532
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Do you ever do any engagement farming online?

533
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Speaker 5: No?

534
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: In fact, sometimes I get accused of all people, don't

535
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: you know, I don't have hot takes. I'm not online

536
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 4: to get clicks, and you know I'll get what I'm

537
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 4: especially when I'm trying to I'm being tough on Klay

538
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Speaker 4: Travis or Dave portnoy or or or Chris Russo people,

539
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 4: you know, Elon, Oh, you're just looking for clicks.

540
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 5: You know, your your engagement farming. You're doing this. They

541
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: only use that term. That is a great term.

542
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Speaker 4: Uh No, I've never written when I wrote columns, I

543
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: always wrote for myself.

544
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I wasn't trying.

545
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 4: To say, okay, what what exactly is going to get

546
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 4: me the biggest audience this week?

547
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 5: And I was.

548
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 4: I had the I had the luxury of doing that

549
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: before clicks were online.

550
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 5: Where now they do they do look at clicks. Oh yeah,

551
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: don't you ever write.

552
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: A bowling column again? We got eight hundred clicks instead

553
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 4: of three thousand. Yeah, bowling is a great thing to

554
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 4: write about once a year anyway. So no, no engagement

555
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 4: farming ever, I understand it exists. And now on X

556
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: you can make money by by the engagement farming, you

557
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 4: know they offer. Yeah on next premium, you make more

558
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: money with the more you tweet and the more that

559
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 4: they you get clicks on it, and you can make

560
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Speaker 4: a good amount of money.

561
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Speaker 2: You know, there's only one I was unaware of this.

562
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it started with Elon started that when he took over.

563
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Speaker 4: And there's a woman I can't think of her name.

564
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: She's she's U in the South, and she's I think

565
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: she's a spiritual person except every single one of her

566
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 4: uh takes has words I wouldn't even say if we

567
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: weren't on the air.

568
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 5: And she is a monster.

569
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Speaker 4: You know she made me makes six figures no oh yeah,

570
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: just by uh yeah, you can make six figures a

571
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 4: year if you get enough engagement, no question about now,

572
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: the way.

573
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 5: He set it up.

574
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 4: But she does this purposefully. I mean I didn't realize

575
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 4: this one of the first time I engaged her. I

576
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 4: just I DMed her and said, listen, there's.

577
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 5: No you know, if you want to make the point,

578
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: you know, we need to have a.

579
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 4: More civil dialogue out there. The profanity doesn't help it.

580
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: It's wrong me to go about and to her credit,

581
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: I'm not.

582
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 5: Going to call it up. She responded to me with

583
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 5: about five words, and four of the words were not

584
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 5: very good.

585
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 4: She said, backed me in a DM like but don't

586
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: don't mess around with my income.

587
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 5: And she just she does it on everybody. She did

588
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 5: it on Kamala.

589
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 4: She's particularly hard on women in politics on AOC Kamala.

590
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 5: But it's it's for real. You can make a lot

591
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 5: of money again for not good stuff.

592
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the weird thing. Like you and I have

593
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 2: been making money doing this sports stuff. We're not bagging

594
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: on the same people over and over. What kind of

595
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: life is that? This woman's just on social media every

596
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: day crushing women in politics like that's her thing. And

597
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: it sounds like she's only going after Democrats as opposed

598
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: to Republicans.

599
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: Huh oh yeah, yeah, she's a good supporter of the president.

600
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 5: She's all on one side.

601
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: Mentally, though, Norman like, what do you think that's?

602
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Like?

603
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: I can't even envision every day waking up all right,

604
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: I got some I got some attacks. I'm going to

605
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: go after this for I just can't fathom that. And

606
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: you have to feed that beast every day to make

607
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: that money.

608
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 5: Right, Two people used to be in our business, one

609
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 5: more and the other Clay Travis and Jason Whitlock. That's

610
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: their that's their whole m out.

611
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to touch one of them because

612
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: I know him. The other one's out of the business

613
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: because he's a fraud. You know, he got exposed big

614
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: time and he's not in sports anymore. Unless you guys

615
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: are friends.

616
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: Sorry, but I've got fired everywhere he's men or had

617
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: to leave. But again, what they're doing, it's a pretty

618
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 4: out in the open broad daylight grift.

619
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 5: It's similar to what you just mentioned about.

620
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: You just pick targets that you know are going to

621
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: stir the base, and you do it every day, and

622
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: you and again the base for some reason. For instance,

623
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 4: talk radio always was better. Talk radio on the right

624
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: has always been better than talk raight on the left.

625
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 4: You know Rush Limbaugh, for instance, Let's say Waal versus

626
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: Al Frank and Al frankn tried it. He tried a network.

627
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: I think I felt this call.

628
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 5: Yeah flopped badly, Yeah block badly.

629
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: Rush Limbaugh is it? Even when I disagree with them,

630
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: I disagree with them eighty five percent of the time.

631
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: One of the most brilliant radio entertainers I've ever heard

632
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: of my life. He knew how to run a talk

633
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: radio program, he knew how to engage, he knew how

634
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: to craft an argument.

635
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 5: Your boss right now, Colin callher. You want to disagree

636
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 5: with him.

637
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: Collin knows how to take an argument, no matter how

638
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: ridiculous it is, and he knows.

639
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: It pulls out social things. Ah, he's fatherless.

640
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: Let me talk about follow his kids here for the

641
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: next fifteen minutes. They can't do anything, but anyway, he

642
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: knows how to craft an argument from start to finish.

643
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: I give Colin all the credit in the world because

644
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 4: he gets he thinks before he talks, so he actually

645
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 4: preps the right way, and he knows how to do

646
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 4: a program like that. Rush was the greatest I ever

647
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: saw doing a program like that. These other ones are

648
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: again they're like, you know, imitation Rushes, so that they're

649
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: trying to figure they know where the audience is, and

650
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: they've identified the audience. In fact, one of them replaced

651
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: Rush on iHeartRadio in that time slot with his partner,

652
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 4: and so they know where to go. And for some reason,

653
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: again on the right, they've always been much more effective in.

654
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 5: Farming that audience more than the left. I don't know

655
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 5: why where.

656
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: Are you on that? You mentioned Chris Russo earlier. That's

657
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Speaker 2: not a name I'd heard a lot, and for some reason,

658
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: he's been. Now I see him in my timeline. I

659
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Speaker 2: can't tell if people are laughing at him or with him.

660
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Speaker 2: I don't know. It sounds like you're aware. I haven't

661
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: heard any of his takes. I just see, you know,

662
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Speaker 2: and I keep scrolling. But what's the story with Are

663
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Speaker 2: you guys friendly or no?

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Speaker 4: No, No, I've never met the guy, And yeah, well

665
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: he's me. I'm not never I'm a big fan. I

666
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: understand what he's doing. Like I remember when he I

667
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: first was made aware of him when he was on

668
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Speaker 4: one of the first sports radio shows in the country,

669
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Speaker 4: Mike and the Mad Dog Yes on the Fan in

670
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: New York, and I didn't particularly like that particular act.

671
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 4: And then he went solo and I'd never listened to

672
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 4: him on serious radio. And the only reason I'm aware

673
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: of him now is because I see YouTube clips of him,

674
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: you know, just just shouting and shouting that, you know,

675
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: you know, just shouting stuff.

676
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: And they do it when he just comes up to.

677
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: The camera and he's going through the camera and he's

678
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: shouting stuff and Steve and as standing back there laughing

679
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: at him, or it's reversed. So I think it's as

680
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: you said, some people are laughing with him. Some people

681
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: are laughing at him, but they're.

682
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Speaker 5: Laughing so that I think it works to some degree.

683
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: I could never watch it like I can never listen.

684
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 5: I used to work with Jim Rome when he was

685
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Speaker 5: first on the radio. Yeah, and I have a lot,

686
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Speaker 5: you know.

687
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: I actually went out to lunch with Rome a couple

688
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: of times to try to establish relationship, and I have

689
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Speaker 4: I don't remember one thing we said to each other.

690
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: It was like it was It felt like I was

691
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: dining with a department store a mannequin. There was no

692
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: there there. If I scratched them on the skin, I

693
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: don't think I get the blood. But anyway, I have

694
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for Jim has he identified again

695
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: a young, angry sports male audience at an early age,

696
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: and he does that thing every day. I couldn't listen

697
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: to it for more. In ten or fifteen minutes at

698
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: a time, it's again, it's much more. It'd be much

699
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Speaker 4: more reasonable to listen to Colin or even though you

700
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: know God forbid listen to you, it's much easier to

701
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: listen to you all. But Jim knows what he's doing

702
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: with that. I can't listen to it for more in

703
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Speaker 4: ten or fifteen minutes.

704
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Speaker 2: It's funny when I had never heard of Chris Russeau.

705
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: And then I moved to New York after college, and

706
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: I would, you know, driving around covering high school sports

707
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: in Northern Jersey and you hear these guys on the radio,

708
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: him and Francesa, and they would be talking about the

709
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Speaker 2: Yankees middle relief. And here I am a young guy,

710
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: and I would be like, are you really talking about

711
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: the bullpen middle relief? Six seventh d eighth inning? And

712
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: I would instantly change a channel. And there weren't many

713
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: options that I was like, how do people deal with this?

714
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't see what the interest is, but I guess

715
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: you're right. They identified some kind of niche audience that

716
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: just eats breeds in sleeps baseball.

717
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Speaker 5: Hearing.

718
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Speaker 4: Hearing a New York show talking this is years ago,

719
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Speaker 4: talking about the Islanders second line. It's gonna fall hockey

720
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: that much, I said, I mean, this is this where

721
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: it's at again.

722
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Speaker 5: There must be an audience there for it.

723
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Speaker 4: But I would I'm much more fond of the approach,

724
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: which is a little more lighthearted and and not so intense.

725
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Speaker 5: You're talking middle relievers, middle relievers.

726
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Speaker 2: Not the closer. I'm talking about like the second or

727
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: third guy out of the pen.

728
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Speaker 4: Yeah and baday, this is what before it became now,

729
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: you know how Now it's just it's scripted. Where the

730
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Speaker 4: starter goes five, then you have the sixth and guy,

731
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Speaker 4: the seventh to the eight guy in the closure.

732
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Speaker 5: This is before all that where they're talking about the

733
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Speaker 5: key between this middle reliever and you go, what, you know, we.

734
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Speaker 4: Only live seventy or eighty years. We've got to spend

735
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: it a little more, you know, quality wise.

736
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Speaker 5: We got to look at some other stuff.

737
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Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy years that I'm spending time talking about Jeff

738
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: Nels versus versus the lefty of him coming out of

739
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: the Yankees bullpen in two thousand and six, or what

740
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm just making up names.

741
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742
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743
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745
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Speaker 2: Where do you see the NBA going with Curry, Durant

746
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: and Lebron kind of at the end, we know they're

747
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: going to get a heavy push down the football as

748
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: one game left, but I'm just curious where you see

749
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: the NBA going, Are you as dire as some of

750
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: these NBA is dead people out there? And the Charles

751
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Barkley types who just shipped on the league all the time.

752
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 5: No, well, charge, I mean Barklay. I love to him.

753
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: He can shoot on the league all I wants. You know,

754
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: he's he's easy to watch. That's a great that's a

755
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: great studio show. As far as NBA is dead, who

756
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 4: are you kidding?

757
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 5: You know the the you know the NBA.

758
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: Okay, they just signed a media deal for crazillions of dollars. Okay,

759
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: Unlike the NBA and the NFL and MLB, their worldwide

760
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 4: presence and their world war popularity or hockey is much

761
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: greater than we know. Second of all, third of all,

762
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: there have been lulls. And by the way, as far

763
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: as the game is being ruined right now, and let's

764
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: say it has become too much of a three point fest,

765
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: and this and that, Okay, each sport has made adjustments

766
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: over the years, rules wise correctly. So like you know,

767
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: the baseball move the mound down, you know, whatever's three

768
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: feet or six inches whatever in this. You know, when

769
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: they had eras at one point five, oh, Baseball's incredible adjustments.

770
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Speaker 5: The NFL.

771
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: Remember used to cover a guy by simply holding on

772
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Speaker 4: to them all the way down on the field. You know,

773
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Speaker 4: Lester Hayes would have stick his gloves and he'd be

774
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Speaker 4: you know. So they've changed the rules to make it

775
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: better offensively or defensively. The NBA will make the adjustment.

776
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: As far as replacing the next generation, the next generation

777
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: always gets replaced. I understand people go, oh, even the

778
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: stars today, do you really want to watch at the

779
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: Edwards Do you really want to I want to watch Jokic.

780
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: I love watching the Joker. I love watching Giannis. I

781
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 4: know they don't seem to have you know, they don't

782
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: have the the the MJ. Kobe bronze staph thing, but

783
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: somebody will when by Yama is gonna, you know East.

784
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: I can watch them all day long. Yeah, you know,

785
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: an eight foot nine inch guy who makes three footers

786
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: is thirty footers and blacks thirty shots. Again, So the

787
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: NBA is not nearly in dire shape as people think.

788
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 4: The the stadium, the in stadium numbers in the Arenia

789
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: numbers are as strong as ever. The ratings are down

790
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Speaker 4: some because there's a lull, and but the ratings are

791
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: going down with virtually everything in every regard. Only the

792
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 4: NFL holds steady of the NFL.

793
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Speaker 2: Actually, NFL was down divisional weekend. Their numbers were down

794
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: a little bit.

795
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: The NFL is a different animal, as we know, like

796
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Speaker 4: ninety of the top one hundred TV programs in the

797
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: US or the NFL, the NFL. The NFL is so

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Speaker 4: powerful that progressive insurance. The NFL, they have backup quarterbacks

799
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Speaker 4: doing progressive ads. I mean, most people don't know backup porducsple,

800
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: most don't know Cult McCoy, backup backup guys are getting

801
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: national TV contracts. Not so much of the whole the

802
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: NFL has on us. But I'm not worried about the NBA.

803
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Speaker 4: In the long run, it is.

804
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Speaker 5: Not dying off.

805
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: It's weird if Anthony Edwards goes to Asia, it is

806
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: like as if the Beatles descended upon Asia. Right.

807
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, if any if ninety nine point eight percent of

808
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: NFL players go there, nobody knows who they are.

809
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: You know, they know Mahomes and but they I'm pretty

810
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: safe to assume Josh Allen could walk around Japan and

811
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: nobody would know who he is. Maybe his tall white

812
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: guy standing out all is, but they just don't have

813
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: the familiarity.

814
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 5: Hey, if Josh.

815
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Speaker 4: Allen was my waiter at Most Hollywood or West Hollywood

816
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: or Bevery Hills restaurants.

817
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't think he's Josh Allen's is another guy trying

818
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: to get into the business. You know, he's got to

819
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 5: wait tables for a while. I wouldn't recognize Josh Allen.

820
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Speaker 5: It's justly if he just cuts on his facial airt off.

821
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Speaker 5: I have no idea who he was.

822
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: No idea. That's a good point. We'll wrap up with

823
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark. I am just curious she took the league

824
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: by storm. WNBA's back, everybody's all excited. I am just

825
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: curious where you are with the WNBA or Caitlin Clark impact.

826
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: I went to a game with my family last year.

827
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Speaker 1: We loved it.

828
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Speaker 2: I watched WNBA games featuring Clark. I don't really care

829
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: much for too much else. I did go watch a

830
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Sparks game, but I don't know. W NBA does that

831
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: do anything for you at all?

832
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Speaker 4: It should I have? I hate you know, It's it's

833
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: not sexist, it's just stupid. There's certain sports where I've

834
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 4: had no interest in watching women perform, and you know,

835
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: you know, I watched the men in the NBA.

836
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 5: The women.

837
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: I don't have as much interest, even golf, which I

838
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: don't like that much. I'll watch men's golf, I'll watch

839
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: the four Majors. I won't watch any of the women's majors.

840
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: So Kate, I'm glad for Kate Olenkart and she's seemingly

841
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: can rescue a league which has not had a big

842
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: imprint the American sports landscape. So I'm rooting for her,

843
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 4: and I'm rooting for the w NBA. But where they

844
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: go I probably won't be going with. I just made

845
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 4: me think of something I went for the first time

846
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: by accident to the immersive theater next to so.

847
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: Far Oh Cosm COSM. Yeah, yeah, but I.

848
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: Watch a soccer game, Okay, I usually don't care about soccer.

849
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 5: In the World Cup, I was like this the whole game.

850
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: The experience, Yeah, was mind blowing.

851
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: And they know they have contracts with the NBA, and

852
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: our waiter told us that if you watch something on

853
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: a smaller court size than soccer and fewer players, he goes,

854
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: it's it's even five times better. The stadium experience was unbelievable.

855
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: I've never done a drug in my life, and this

856
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: was like being high. Myness, we're in the stadium.

857
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 5: It's it was. It was mind blowing. Jason.

858
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: I didn't know you had never done a drug in

859
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: your life. Real quick, I forgot about bowling. So question

860
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Speaker 2: you. You have reference bowling many many years in your columns.

861
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: Uh do you A? Do you bowl? And b who

862
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: is that the guy who yells all this stuff? He

863
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: has like an introduction when he comes out, there's a

864
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: he's like a famous bowler.

865
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: Uh, you might be thinking, okay, from years ago, you

866
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: might be thinking of Pete Webber.

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Speaker 2: Weber that's it.

868
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was actually the John McEnroe of bowling

869
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: pretty much. Uh. And yeah, he's he did the cry.

870
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Speaker 5: He had a crotch grab forever. I you know, wasn't

871
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Speaker 5: terribly fond of.

872
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: But he does have You can go to YouTube and

873
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: find his famous when he won a big tournament, a

874
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: major ten or fifteen years ago, and he shouted out

875
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: something that made no sense, but he explained it later.

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Speaker 5: H who do you think you are? Okay, who do

877
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 5: you think you are? So?

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Speaker 4: And he tried to explain what it was later, but

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00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: he's and he's still around, but he's in his senior

880
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: years now. But yeah, I've always you know, I was

881
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: always appreciated bowling on TV. I'm a joke about it,

882
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: but I do bowl.

883
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 5: I don't bowl well. I love bowling. If I can

884
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 5: bowl once a month.

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00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: I'm happy to bowl on the What do you get

886
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: in one fifty?

887
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, in the one forties that's pretty good.

888
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 4: So I'm not a particularly good bowler, but I always

889
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: you know, I always liked bowling back in the old

890
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 4: days because the telecasts were you know, football, you know,

891
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: baseball game can go on forever, particularly before they shorten it.

892
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: The whole bowling telecast was you know, it's gonna be

893
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: ninety minutes and before matches, each one usually comes down

894
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 4: to the last frame or so, and then you have

895
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: a champion in the in the TV finals. Also, like

896
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 4: the the bowlers were everyday people like you and me.

897
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: Not to wear everyday people. But they don't earn it.

898
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 4: You know, if you earn six figures in bowling, that's huge.

899
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: They it's such a tough life. They travel, which they

900
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: have roommates when on the road. Two bowlers will share

901
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: a hotel room or they'll run an RV to go

902
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: from city to city. It's at glamorous travel. It's not

903
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: a glamorous way to make a living. You've got a

904
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: bowl about thirty five or forty games a week. Think

905
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 4: about that on your body of bowling five or six

906
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: games a day for five or six days.

907
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: You know, really, Yeah, it's an incredible pursuit.

908
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 4: And then I always claim that bowlers their wives are

909
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: people you and I could date.

910
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's a super model thing. It's they're

911
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: regular people.

912
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 4: So I've always appreciated the bowling world, and I wish

913
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: it had a bigger you know, I know it's not

914
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: gonna have a bigger imprint in an American sports landscape.

915
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: It used to pre cable and back in the old days.

916
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, I love bowling. And I've also regret that

917
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: most old school bowling alleys have turned into bowleros or

918
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: lucky So it's like it's like rock and bowl. Now

919
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: you go in there, it's a discothech and I can't

920
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: even see the pins anymore.

921
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Speaker 5: And I'm listening to, you know, disco music from the

922
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies. What the heck, it's taking ten pins off

923
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Speaker 5: of my dame.

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Speaker 2: All right, normand Chad. You know, if you if you

925
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: give out your handles for social and the audience starts

926
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: yelling at you, do you care or not?

927
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Speaker 1: Really?

928
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Speaker 2: Do you embrace that? Or you got enough going on

929
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: in your life now that you don't need that.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm at Norman Chad on X and you know

931
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Speaker 4: we started we have Gambling Mad with Norman Chad, which

932
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: is a weekly podcast. We're talking about gambling and sports

933
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: and politics and culture and food.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

935
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: Are you betting on the Super Bowl? Any money on

936
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl yet? Or no?

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Speaker 5: I do not?

938
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Speaker 4: You know, ironic podcast obviously called Gambling Mad. I have

939
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: not made a sports bet since I had a bad

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00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: week in nineteen eighty four, that's true. I have not

941
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Speaker 4: made a sports bet now since I was twenty five

942
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 4: years old.

943
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: Wow, so no drugs and no gambling. What are your vices? Man?

944
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 5: Huh oh, I got a lot of.

945
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. One question that shut down, Norman Chad. I got

946
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: a lot of vices yet, right, Norman Chad, He's a

947
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: legend man, Honestly, one of my heroes growing up. I

948
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: love him. Corneiser Wilbon were for me, the Big Three.

949
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: They were the fab five if you will, The Fab three.

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00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: I just love reading your stuff, always found you hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot for taking the time, Norman, all right,

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00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: jam Mac, have a good one.