WEBVTT - What's Wright - Nick Wright reacts to Jayson Tatum injury, Knicks & Wolves 3-1 lead, Mavericks win NBA Draft lottery 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.720 Welcome in. We'll drive you the great episode three point 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:09.320 thirty after one of the most consequential nights in recent 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:14.440 NBA history, when you combine the draft lottery going the 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.560 way it did, the impact that is going to have 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:23.440 on not only the future of three super relevant teams 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.360 with respect to the Hornets and the Wizards, who are 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.080 bummed today, but in the MAVs, the Sixers, and of 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.680 course the San Antonio Spurs, and then also what appears 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.640 to be something of a devastating injury for Jason Tatum 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.600 and the fact that the New York Knicks We're gonna 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.800 win that game even if Tatum didn't get hurt, and 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.760 what that meant for the Celtics long term. This is 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:52.120 a night Windy said it right after the first game 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:57.120 that the is gonna have reverberations for honestly for years 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.040 to come, and before we get to any of that, 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.360 and I'm sure I'll expand on this more later and 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.800 before i even bring in Demnsey. And this is something 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.920 where I'm probably gonna hurt some people's feelings, and I 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:17.280 Am probably gonna hurt some coworkers feelings, and I don't care. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:25.120 There are some times we get real, in live action, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:32.319 in the moment, impromptu IQ tests for the general public, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.120 and one of them is this, do you think the 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.640 NBA Draft lottery is rigged? Because if you think it is, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.960 you're kind of dumb. Now you might be like, I'm 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:51.400 not dumb. Explain the odds of these things. And the 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.360 answer to that question is go to your local community college. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.560 You can probably get courses for seventy dollars a credit 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.680 hour and take in introduction to probability and statistics. And 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.120 what you'll learn is the thing about things that have 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.960 a one point eight percent chance of occurring, is they 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.720 occur one point eight percent of the time. And when 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.959 you have a bunch of teams, all of whom have 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.960 a like So here is the simplest way to explain it. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.880 And I knew it. I'm not gonna name names, but 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.919 I knew there would be people working on this show. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.880 Might be one person co hosting the show I'm going 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.840 to bring in a bit who's like, well, obviously it 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.680 might be rigged. I know that I'm a jerk for 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.800 calling you guys dumb, and I'm not saying you're dumb. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.600 Maybe I did just say that you're just dumber than 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.520 you think you are. So here is like the most 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:50.359 simple way to look at it from a probability perspective. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.680 What are the odds of any one person winning the 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:02.280 power ball? Like is it like one point four billion 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.639 to one, not one point eight percent, but like point 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:11.639 zero zero one hundred times one percent that someone's going 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.560 to win it? But someone always wins it. So how 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.120 does that happen? You had one in a billion you 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.360 had there are more people, there's not a billion people 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.880 in the United States, yet every week someone hits a 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.800 billion to one shot. That's how That's how probability and 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.720 statistics work. Also, the idea that the firm Ernst and 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.160 Young is gonna be like listen, been around for about 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:45.240 one hundred years. We have a super profitable business. We 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.160 also have a side business where we rig the NBA 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:55.840 Draft lottery for reasons that aren't totally clear. Like the 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:01.720 latest conspiracy is if you trade with the Lakers, you 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.120 get the number one pick. But that of course is 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:11.360 idiotic because Anthony Davis. Because like they traded Davis, they 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.840 got Zion. The NBA didn't want Zion to go to 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.960 New Orleans. It was a disaster for everyone. The moment 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:26.720 it happened. Well, the the NBA called in is sent in, listen, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:32.839 trade Luca to the to the Lakers and we'll get 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.680 you Cooper Flag. And the part of that story that 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.960 folks are ignoring is the Dallas Mavericks were won a 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.320 play in game, tried to make the playoffs, and we're 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.960 playing the Memphis Grizzlies in a game that if they won, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.440 they don't even have any ping pong balls. That was 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.440 so neat, Like how how big does the conspiracy go? Boys? 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.400 People are just And there's five teams that if they 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.120 would have won it, we would have said. If the 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.520 Spurs won it, we would have said rigged, duh, Wimby 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.320 and Flag. If the Sixers won it, we'd have said rigged. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:18.120 Oh you gotta you're you gotta get him be a lifeline. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.240 There's like more teams that you would have called it 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:22.000 rigged than. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.960 Not would have made people call it the most rigged though, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.040 like that that's the that's the team that. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:33.000 But every whoa right. But people did the same ship 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:39.240 with Wimby. Oh of course, the like the Spurs, they 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:44.279 right from Duncan into Wimby. People reverse engineer these conspiracies 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:49.200 here's the problem with the conspiracy. The draft lottery is now. Listen, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:54.640 all conspiracies are not created equal that. Do I think 0:05:54.880 --> 0:06:00.279 forty years ago, when the process was the commissioner picking 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.120 his hand into a globe and grabbing an envelope, do 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:09.560 I think that maybe, oh, or freezing one of those envelopes. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.599 That's not idiotic because that's easy to execute and one 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.719 person has to be involved. Any conspiracy where it's like, well, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.640 we need a whole lot of the executives and lawyers 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.760 at Ernst and Young to be in on it. We 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.760 need the league owners to be fine with it. The 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.360 Wizard's owners like, God damn it. This conspiracies never works 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.839 for me, but I'll keep playing along. We need the 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.960 reporters to be in on it. It's so dumb. And 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.680 the reason I'm leading the show with it is because 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.040 you're I'm just telling you right now. Sometimes it's hard 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.440 to tell, like who's smart and who's not. As far 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.920 as people who have public platforms and talk about things 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:57.440 for a living. If one of your favorite personalities today 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.960 is like hah hah, wink wink, that was gonna happen, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.880 they're just not that they're not as bright as they 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.240 think they are, just dock their IQ points. It's it's 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:11.280 like if you saw them, you know, fall off a 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.800 twenty foot ledge onto their head, like moving forward to 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.800 be like, oh, probably not as smart as they once were. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.800 You now know it. So I'm sorry. And like I said, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.480 I know I'm hurting some people's feelings today and I 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:29.080 know that, but it's just idiotic. Now before we get 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.920 to the show, because I did want to start with that, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.360 because today is a tough day for Demandacaus Demonde's a 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:38.320 Celtics fan and that's his team, and that was devastating. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.080 I have one other note which will shock you, pal, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.320 and I think really make you happy. So one of 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.520 our neighbors is Michelle Roberts, who you don't know who 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:58.560 that is, but she for years ran the NBA Players Association. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.680 She was the woman in charge of the NBA Players Union. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.080 She's the lady who famously during the lockout, Patrick Beverly 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.440 barked at and then all the other players had to 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:16.880 tell him sit down and shut up, be respectful. Very famous, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.400 successful lawyer for a long time, ran the NBA Players Association. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.840 Now retired day before yesterday. Your mom and I are 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:30.120 out front cleaning up our front porch, and she came 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.000 by and she and I have talked a few times. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:37.240 She had never met your mom, and she says to 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.240 your mom, she was like, I have to tell you something. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:48.920 I love your son on the podcast. Oh what you 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.160 swear to God? She was like, he's so funny, he's 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:58.640 quick witted, he's he is. And I was. I was stunned. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.880 Not that she liked you, but I would. Whenever someone 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.360 important watches the pod, I'm always a little taken aback 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.400 because it's not like the TV show that you could 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.720 just have it on. You have to like opt into it. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.640 So I find it very touching. But she would, I mean, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.520 she spent I don't know three to five minutes talking 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.120 to your mom about you on the podcast. Oh yeah, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:21.000 that is awesome. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:21.960 It certainly shocks me. 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:27.400 You being the league guy. She goes up, She's like, oh, no, listen, no, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.520 But that was that was I mean, it was great. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.920 That made me very happy. All right, Now to the 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.600 news of the day. Here's well, here's what missed the cut. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.520 We'll do in the NFL schedule release stuff on Thursday. Uh, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.520 Philadelphia is gonna open the season against Dallas. The Bears. See, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.559 Chicago got Super Bowl bets increased after the pope was 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.880 selected because he's a Chicago guy. I thought the Knicks 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.120 would have gotten championship bets increased because he's a Nova 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.040 guy and they're the Nova Knicks. And Michael Jordan's gonna 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:01.960 join NBC as a contributor. Listen, you know, I NBC's 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.679 a different network, but fair is fair. I got to 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.200 give credit where it's due. I mean, if they're gonna 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.679 use him the way he should be used, that is 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:17.080 going to be an unbelievable addition. And by that, I 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.800 mean he should be their gambling expert. All right, demanse 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.240 like rate subscriber view to the pod. Let's get to 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.840 the news of the night, which, after we tried to 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.719 be a little lighthearted to start, the news of the 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.880 night is serious and unfortunate and a lot of tentacles. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:35.760 So let's get to it. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.160 Yeah, so we'll get to the game later. But obviously 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.320 the Nicks went up three one on the Celtics, but 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:46.960 unfortunately Tatum most likely has like a season ending injury. Yeah, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.040 your thoughts on the Celtics circumstances right now? 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:55.600 Okay, so it's pretty clearly. And by the way, to 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.240 the producers, even the ones I might have unintentionally just 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.040 called dumb, please help me out here today. And if 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.679 there is breaking news during the pod on Tatum, let 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:12.400 us know everyone is speculating Achilles, and I understand that. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.440 Here's the thing, and throw Demans back on the screen 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:21.200 because demanse like, fourteen months ago, fifteen months ago, you 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:27.600 tore your achilles. Yep, I'm holding out hope, maybe it's naive, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:34.360 hope that that wasn't an achilles, just because and you 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.560 can speak to it from your experience. I've never seen 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:44.440 an achilles injury that had that much seemingly excruciating pain 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:49.320 associated with it. Liked the way he stepped and fell. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.640 Everyone thinks achilles. But when you tour yours playing basketball 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.720 similar way, planting and trying to explode, Like I talked 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:02.000 to you thirty minutes later, and you like, was it 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.040 was it excruciating pain? It wasn't. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.400 It wasn't like you're breaking I could feel like breaking 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.360 a finger or something or breaking something. It was just 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.280 really uncomfortable and it felt like kind of like the 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.440 bottom of my foot wasn't hitting the floor. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:22.040 Right. But and so I don't know, so I listen, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:29.960 here's the deal that his reaction, if it was a 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.600 visceral reaction to pain, then I would be holding out 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:38.800 hope it's not an achilles. Now it's obviously a serious injury. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.680 The other possibility is his visceral reaction was to emotional 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:49.360 devastation because he knew, he knew he tore his did 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:54.880 something terrible and what it meant for this year and 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.800 for moving forward, and it was just overwhelming for him, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:02.200 Which that's you know, so that and so here's the deal, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:08.600 and this is this is the cruelty of sports. And 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:16.720 I I try not to complain too much about how 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:22.440 I'm perceived or discussed or anything, but I will say 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.800 one thing that I really don't like, just because I think, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.880 and maybe it's my own fault, but I think it's 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.320 like almost an indictment on me as a person, not 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.840 as a personality, is when people act as if because 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:42.319 I have been on the highest level of basketball terms, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.160 you know, a Tatum skeptic at times as far as 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:47.880 like he'll you know, be the best player in the 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.400 league or you know, his place in the NBA hierarchy, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.960 as if that means that there is some joy or 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.520 gratification or anything in a guy suffering that type of injury, Like, 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:05.359 that's so obvious, I would hope, obviously untrue or obviously 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.680 not what anyone would think. But set that aside, because 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.600 I don't think most people think that. I think most 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.800 people understand that your analysis of someone as a player, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.120 whether or not you're picking the team, is totally separate 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:23.880 from them suffering a devastating injury. For Jason Tatum individually, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:32.560 a guy who has been almost historically durable, and by 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.600 not his historically is the wrong term, but in the 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:44.720 modern context, he has played eighty seventy nine, sixty six 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.560 COVID year, sixty four post COVID year, so those are 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:54.240 both shortened seasons seventy six, seventy four, seventy four, seventy two, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:00.280 and then in the playoffs nineteen ninety, seventeen five, twenty 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:05.800 four to twenty nineteen eight. Like, he's never suffered a 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.120 major injury to knock him out for you know, months 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.560 at a time. He now potentially is looking at one 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:20.080 of the worst injuries a basketball player can suffer, and 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:26.320 there are a lot it we don't know. Again, that's 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.119 assuming it's an achilles. Assuming if it's not an achilles, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.520 then it's some different type of really rough ankle injury. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:40.800 But you obviously hope Jason Tatum gets back to the 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.880 level he was at. Kevin Durant did I know people 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:49.560 will bring up Clay Thompson. Clay's thing is very unique 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:55.280 because Clay blew out his knee and then when he 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.040 was almost recovered from that, then popped his achilles, and 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.080 so that was like the double whammy of it. And 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:11.000 so you don't the sober analysis of this for Tatum 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.720 individually is you hope he can get back to the 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.280 level he was at this year. You have to acknowledge 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:26.080 that that is an unknown and that the other piece 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.440 of it that is the extra Yesterday was a really 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:35.280 really bad day for the sports gods and those of 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.200 us that want to believe in them, because the Mavericks 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.880 did not deserve to win the lottery, and of all 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.640 the moments, for Jason Tatum to suffer that injury, for 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:55.280 it to happen in what was looking like one of 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.080 the three or four best games of his career is 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:06.000 just cruelty beyond belief in the sports context. And here's 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:10.160 where it gets even tougher. And this is the part 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:15.119 that different people can have different opinions on this, and 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:21.680 I respect them legitimately. Some people might say discussing what 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.560 this means for the Celtics in this moment is poor form. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:33.800 I think it's my job. I think that that it is. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.000 You know, it comes with the territory here. What it 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:44.680 means for the Celtics is last night was the last 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:51.560 time we see the Celtics in that form, And it 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:59.600 is overwhelmingly likely that, let this is Al Horford's last year, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:09.720 so he's gone. It is to me overwhelmingly likely if 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.879 we assume that Jason Tatum is out for next year, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.880 that last night was his last game with Kristaps Porzingis. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.639 And it has to be considered on the board that 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:33.320 last night could have been the last game of Jason 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:38.159 and Jalen together. Because there has been a lot of 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:44.639 discussion and a lot of rumor mill stuff that with 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:50.800 this new ownership group, that bar even if the Celtics 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:55.080 won the championship this year, but certainly if they didn't 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.520 and now they won't, that they were going to make 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.360 some sick, significant moves, you know, to lower the financial 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:10.960 burden and so Chris STAPs was the number one guy 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.240 people were talking about potentially being on the move. But 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.399 I don't know if Chris STAPs what real like, we 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.520 are you gonna give for him right now? Correct? That's 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.879 the problem. That's the problem is Chris STAPs has this 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:31.639 really weird illness that has been months and months that 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.120 I think casts a shadow over whatever value he has, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:44.840 and so it can. It is unbelievable the speed at 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:54.359 which windows can slam shuts the wrong word, but can change. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:20:02.800 And a week ago, a week could go. We all 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.560 thought the Celtics were about to cruise through round two 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.439 and be in really good position to go back to back, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:19.520 and we were discussing Jason Tatum before he turns twenty eight, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.840 has two rings. If he pulls off a finals, MVP, 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.959 four straight, first team All NBAS, all of this, what 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:33.080 does that mean for him in the historical context? And 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:38.680 now you look at it like everything is in flux 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:46.320 and nothing is guaranteed, and it is. There are very 0:20:46.359 --> 0:21:00.080 few injuries in recent sports history that feel quite like 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:08.280 this one in that when Durant tore his achilles, you 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:17.199 felt terribly for Kevin Durant, but the mitigating circumstances surrounding 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:24.360 that were as far as for the Warriors, it appeared 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.120 that that was coming to an end that era, and 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.320 for Durant because he had missed almost a month with 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.879 a calf injury, you kind of had in the back 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.840 of your mind the concern that that could happen going 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:47.080 into that game. None of that applied to Tatum here, 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:56.920 and so it is the next time. I if we 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:07.600 assume that he's out for next year, the what the 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.000 Celtics look like the next time Jason Tatum's on the court. 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:21.480 It's just going to be so drastically different. And I 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.359 I just I the only thing, like I can't say 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:30.119 the only thing, but and maybe the if any of 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.359 the producers want to type in something they're thinking of 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:38.080 as a comp as far as like a snap, oh 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:43.240 my god. It kind of reminds me of RG three 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.040 in the playoff game in Washington, when you have this 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.919 rookie of the year. Now, obviously Tatum's a much older player. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.280 D Rose is a good one. D Rose is probably 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.840 the right example. D Rose is the right example where 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.000 you have this guy, you feel like you have the 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:10.520 championship window and then he hurts his knee now, but 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.199 he was already banged up before that. I feel like, no, 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.400 maybe I'm wrong. Uh, But and then it's like, oh wait, 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.200 this playoff runs over, and so is the next one, 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:27.119 and so listen, I'm hoping we get good news. And 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:35.000 I'm oddly, you know, hoping that this is gonna sound 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:36.679 I almost want to say this because this could be 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:44.240 clipped out of context so terribly. I'm I'm kind of 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:53.680 hoping that they that his reaction was physical pain rather 0:23:53.760 --> 0:24:00.240 than emotional pain, because that, to me, would be evidents 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:04.760 that it's not an achilles. And I listen, I'm obviously 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:10.720 no doctor whatever. Well, so that's the other reason that 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.359 I'm holding out a little hope that it's Achilles injuries. Right, 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.600 it's very diagnosable, right, they always do the MRI to 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:24.040 double check, But every time someone suffers an achilles, it's 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.520 like they did, I forget what it's called. I think 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.680 it's basically they just put their hand on the back 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.879 of your calf, yeah, and they and they check. So 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.840 the fact that it's not out maybe is a positive. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:37.800 I don't know. And maybe I'm painting a little too 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:47.119 bleak of a picture, but that was a the reverberations 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:54.000 that has across the league, Like if I'm now let 0:24:54.000 --> 0:25:02.119 me add something to it? Does this This is gonna 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:08.800 sound a little too black and white's the wrong word, 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:14.960 but it's like harsh reality. But when I say the reverberations, 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:20.080 if you're the Milwaukee Bucks right now, do you now 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:25.080 feel like maybe we give it one more year with Giannis? 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.880 If the Celtics are just eliminated, you know what I mean? 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.920 Like again, I'm sorry to be doing this to Boston fans, 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:36.119 and I'm talking to a Boston fan, but like, I 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.120 think those are the kind like if the Celtics are 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.439 just eliminated, and you're like, it turns out the Calves 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:45.359 are frauds, Like hold on a second here, Like what 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:52.880 does that mean? I if you are dare I say 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:58.960 it Lebron James and you're like, yeah, I'm just gonna 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.159 finish my career with the Lake. But then you're like, 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:08.280 hold on a second. If the Calves are about to 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:12.320 get clocked in round two and they clearly do need 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.960 to add something, and I could start where I finished 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.720 and in a east where Giannis might be traded the 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:26.119 Celtics are eliminated, you know what I mean, like me 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:31.760 and me, the Pacers and the Knicks, right, I can 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.800 give that a look, you know what, Like there's the 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:41.399 draft lottery sending Cooper flag to the West, giving the 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.800 Spurs either the second pick or the Amo to potentially 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.920 get wimby. And if they don't get wimby, everyone thinking 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:52.880 Houston's gonna get wimby. If the Celtics are knocked out 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:57.040 of contention for a year, are nine of the ten 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:01.360 best teams in the league in the Western Conference? Like 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.840 if Tatum's not playing next year and you were to 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:11.240 talk about the fifteen best players in the NBA, does 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:19.680 the East have three Brunson, Mitchell, Halliburton and everyone else 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.520 is in the West? If Giannis is gone and Tatum's 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:28.959 out for the year, like this is insanely impactful to 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.879 that team. Because while everyone understood all year the West 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:37.600 was better, I think most a lot of people thought, well, 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.600 the West has five of the seven best teams, but 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:45.880 the very best teams Boston, they're defending champs and even 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:49.040 though they have the regular season, So it is just 0:27:49.280 --> 0:28:00.040 such a such an impactful injury. And I think the 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:05.720 lack of news is positive from an achilles standpoint, But 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:11.000 I don't. I don't know, all right, demon's before we 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.080 get to the actual game. Is there anything you want 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.640 to add, anything else you want to say? 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.159 If it's a long injury, I hope that he uses 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.600 the time to just kind of decompress it. And I 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.400 feel like the media has probably been in his head 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.879 for a while. Be a time to reanalyze, take a 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:31.480 step back. 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.760 But yeah, it's unfortunate, Like I will say that on 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:40.480 the media front. Again, there's no there's not real silver 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:46.160 linings here, but I'm grasping a bit. He will be 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:54.640 more than a sympathetic figure. He will be he I 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.520 think a lot of people feel like he has been 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.800 and I'm sure people some people blame, you know, say 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.840 I'm part of it. I'm always I always try to 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.640 be self aware of it, even if I think, what 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.960 is what has caught of me or whatever? It's unfair? 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.200 Yeah right, yeah, so I no, so I get it. 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.000 He will be considered a little off limits, right, like 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.440 you know what I mean, and that maybe there will 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:24.000 be a bit of a what I interrupted myself, but 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:25.520 but a lot I know a lot of people have 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.240 thought he has been over criticized given his level of play, 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.400 given the team success, but then the not playing his 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.880 best dur in the finals, then the Olympics piece of it. 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.720 People thought he didn't get enough credit for having such 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:44.800 a dominant right individual regular season, and so maybe that's 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.440 a small silver lining that he'll be a guy everyone's 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.200 rooting for. I don't know, but this is this tough, 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.560 all right. So now let's go to the actual game. 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.800 You were saying that even if Tatum was in the game, 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.480 it looks like the Knicks were gonna take that one. 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.200 You care to explain on that. 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:08.600 Yeah, so I I understand it, but I think that again, 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:13.000 if we're going to try to be give honest, sober analysis, 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:18.520 the Tatum injury was the most important thing that happened 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:23.640 in that game. For a long term perspective and for 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.400