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Speaker 2: Episode three eighty eight, Martina McBride wit what Again? Good job, Mike,

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Speaker 2: I know you worked on this one for a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's awesome. So at Martina McBride if you want to

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Speaker 2: so much shit, all these number ones. Obviously you're gonna

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Speaker 2: the girls. What's Crazy is like her biggest songs weren't

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Speaker 2: her songs and weren't number one were massive, So super cool.

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Speaker 2: You can go check her out on the road Martine

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Speaker 2: McBride dot com. She's in Louisiana, Misissippi, Alabama, Kentucky all

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Speaker 2: coming up May through June four CMA Vocalists of the

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Speaker 2: All right, enjoy Martina McBride. So a couple of things

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Speaker 2: but you don't you definitely don't have to a couple

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Speaker 2: that's what I said, And she said she was singing

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Speaker 2: What's Sharon, Kansas like?

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Speaker 1: There's about one hundred and forty people that live there.

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Speaker 2: Wow, because I'm from a town of seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: So you had no how many traffic lights?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still we didn't have it.

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Speaker 1: We have a traffic lights and dirt streets. There's a couple,

433
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 1: there's a couple of paved streets, but mostly the side

434
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 1: streets are all dirt streets.

435
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Speaker 2: What about the school did you have, like Sharon elementary.

436
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,879
Speaker 1: We had elementary through high school, and then like I

437
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 1: had ten people in my graduating class.

438
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Speaker 2: That is small. I thought forty. I had forty, and

439
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, wow, that's a whole different level.

440
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 1: We had thirty eight. The year I graduated, we had

441
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 1: thirty eight students in the whole high school bought student body.

442
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: Did they combine classes ever? No, there were ten people.

443
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 2: It was ten.

444
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 1: Class after me was five kids. And the year my

445
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: brother graduated he's two years younger than me, they shut

446
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 1: down the school and consolidated, which really was just the

447
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: end of really the end of the town because there

448
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 1: were no more team sports. Really in that town and

449
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: there were I don't know, the high school was really

450
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Speaker 1: the hub of the whole town.

451
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 2: So so the band that you were in with your dad,

452
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: your family band was it called the Shifters? And so

453
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: was he a musician when he was younger? Did he

454
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 2: ever try, like I'm gonna give this the real try

455
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,199
Speaker 2: to make it as an artist or was he always

456
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 2: just someone who loved it recreationally and got pretty good

457
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: at it?

458
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

459
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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean he was he was a

460
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: farmer as well, and a woodworker, built houses and things

461
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: like that, and he like entered some contests when he

462
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: was a kid, but just never really thought of actually

463
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: like picking up and moving to Nashville.

464
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Speaker 2: Is it because nobody else did it? So he didn't

465
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Speaker 2: know it was a real thing.

466
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Speaker 1: I don't know, because that was nobody else I knew

467
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 1: did it either. But it was a whole different, you

468
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: know generation. But like I don't know why. I mean,

469
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 1: I think he was really really happy playing in that

470
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 1: local band. It was kind of a big deal. We

471
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Speaker 1: were like, you know, regionally respected, and we worked a lot,

472
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, that was that was

473
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: good for him, and I mean that was probably good

474
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: enough for him.

475
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,959
Speaker 2: How was he when it came to you doing your

476
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: own thing? Support wise?

477
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: Very supportive. My parents were both very supportive. They always said,

478
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't come from a lot of like

479
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: college graduates, so it was going to college wasn't really

480
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: that important. It was you know for me, I think

481
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: everybody we just always assumed that I would sing in

482
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: some capacity. And they always said when I when I

483
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: decided to move to Nashville, my husband and I decided

484
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: to move to Nashville, we'd just gotten married about a

485
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: year before that or two years. My parents were always like, look,

486
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: somebody's got to make it right. Like literally, maybe tomorrow

487
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: there's going to be a new artist that gets signed

488
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: and makes a record. Why couldn't it be you? If

489
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: you get in the right place at the right time,

490
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: and you work really hard, why not? Why not you?

491
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, so think you know, probably

492
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: like you when you have when you have when you

493
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Speaker 1: grow up with something that you believe, it's just kind

494
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: of part of you. You have a confidence, you know,

495
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: especially when you're young. I have a confidence that I

496
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: could probably do.

497
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 2: This little naive, little confidence. Yeah, it's a real lethal mix.

498
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you have to see it, Like

499
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to visualize walk

500
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: Like for me, I always visualize walking up on CMA's

501
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: steps and accepting an award. You know, I think you

502
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: have to see it, otherwise you won't go for it, especially.

503
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: If there's no one around you that can tell you

504
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: that it can be a reality.

505
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

506
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: I mean in Mountain Pine, Arkansas, nobody left. We worked

507
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: at the mill, or you worked in Hot Springs. That

508
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 2: was it. And so there was never anybody that was like,

509
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 2: this is a reality. You can actually pursue it. But

510
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: at the same point, there was nobody said it. You couldn't.

511
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: It was just a TV thing. It was like fairy tale. Yeah,

512
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: probably like moving to Nashville. Yeah, but to have parents

513
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: that were so optimistic, yeah, like what an asset for

514
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: a kid?

515
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely. And you know, also just being able

516
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: to watch the CMA Awards or watch he Har or

517
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: watch whatever we watched and see you know, Loretta Lynn

518
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: and Tanya Tucker and Riba and all of these amazing

519
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: women doing that. I mean you just saw you saw

520
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 1: yourself there. You're like, well, I could do that. I mean,

521
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: she's from Oklahoma, you know, a little town in Oklahoma,

522
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: little town in Kentucky, Like they came from small towns.

523
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: Why couldn't I do that?

524
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: When you were singing as a kid, when did people

525
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: start to treat you special, like, oh, you're better than

526
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: other kids at that age doing that thing.

527
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, I'm very Kansas is very

528
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: Midwestern in a lot of ways, and praise isn't really

529
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: something that's bandied about, Like it's not really freely given,

530
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: so they think you're going to get an ego or

531
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: a big head or something. So like kids are like,

532
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: I think I recognize that people recognize that what I

533
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: did was good. I was the only kid that did it,

534
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: Like everybody else was into sports and things like that,

535
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: so but it wasn't nobody was going to around going,

536
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're a you know what I mean?

537
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: So I think I probably recognized that it made people

538
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: pay attention and made people happy. When I was probably

539
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: about seven years old, that.

540
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: Is a lot younger than I thought you were going

541
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: to say, could you like nail pitch? At seven?

542
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I was a belter, you know, and

543
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have any lessons. We didn't have like my

544
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: lessons that were in high school. The way I learned

545
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: to sing was from listening to records and singing along

546
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: with records like Linda Ronstatt Records, Bonnie Rait Records, Reba records,

547
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: and singing those cover songs in the band. That was

548
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: really how I learned to increase my range and try

549
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: to match their nuances and their all of it. You know,

550
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: how long they held notes, how big the sound was,

551
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: And so I forgot your question.

552
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: But well, just about other kids treating you different and

553
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: you at seven being able to hit just match a pitch, yeah,

554
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: at all. But you just got it from listening.

555
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: I just got it from listening. And you know, we

556
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: we lived way. I didn't live in the town, the

557
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: booming town of Sharon, Kansas. I had lived on a

558
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: farm about ten miles away.

559
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: The suburb of Sharon. Obviously.

560
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like literally ten miles down or eight

561
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: miles down a dirt road and then there's a house.

562
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: And my grandparents lived a mile down the road before

563
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: you got to my house. So it's very isolated. And

564
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: we my mom didn't drive, so until we could drive,

565
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: we were just come home from school. You're there, like

566
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: you're not going to run around and go down to

567
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: the corner, you know what I mean. It's just like

568
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: so my parents always had instruments for us. Though a

569
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: piano guitar. We had little tape recorders that we would

570
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: record ourselves messing around on the out, you know, in

571
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: the utility room. And my brother, my younger brother. So

572
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: that was our entertainment. And I and records. And I

573
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: can remember having kids home from school, like my classmates,

574
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: to play after school or to stay all night or whatever.

575
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: And would I would be playing them all these records

576
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: and they they just didn't. I found a friend in

577
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: high school that was a little olderan me that loved

578
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: music like I did. But you know, most of the

579
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: kids in my school were just not that interested. It

580
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: was just music. It was just like background, you know.

581
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: And so I would we would sit and listen to

582
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: records and they after about thirty minutes, they'd be like,

583
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: is this all we're gonna do? Like, let me go

584
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: outside and play.

585
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, okay, your music maturation, I guess jumped

586
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: quickly because that's what you had a lot of at

587
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: the house. Yeah, we did your parents care what kind

588
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: of music you listened to? Were the rules on what

589
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: you couldn't listen to at twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old.

590
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was rules, but there was

591
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: they they My my dad was a country fan, like

592
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: he like I somehow my old I have an older

593
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: brother and an older sister. My older brother was into

594
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: like Credence, clear Water and I don't know, just like

595
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: really cool rock bands. And my sister was into pop

596
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: living Newton John and Casey in the Sunshine Band whatever

597
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: it was on the radio, and so I got those

598
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: influences from there. But when we were in the car,

599
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: it was specifically with my parents country music. And my

600
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: mom loved like she loved more like krooners, like.

601
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: Like Nashville sound type crooner.

602
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, like like you know, like Frank Sinatra. We

603
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: didn't have any Franks.

604
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it, got it, like the rat pack guy.

605
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: It's a boobl at now yeah. Yeah.

606
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: And my dad loved he did love Ray Charles and

607
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: so we did have Ray Charles records and Edna James.

608
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: But then I got into high school and I got

609
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: into like, like my first concert that I went to

610
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: without my parents was Ozzy Osbourne, right the Blizzard of

611
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Oz tour. It was so like rock and roll and

612
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: was so exciting to me, and so some of that

613
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: music I would listen to with headphones.

614
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you finish high school, you go to college. Now,

615
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: you mentioned college a minute ago, because there wasn't a

616
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: lot of college graduates in your family. Same here, so

617
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: it was a whole new world to me. Again, I'm somewhere,

618
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: I don't really have anybody to lean on to go

619
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: how do I do this? How was your experience to

620
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: college short lived?

621
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: I went to a community college. I got a doolarship

622
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: for music and academic and I went there. Okay, so

623
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: but we like my kids grew up in Nashville and

624
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: had all of this college prep. They've got a college counselor,

625
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: they've got all of these people that help them know

626
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: what to expect, help them with the application process, all

627
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: of that stuff.

628
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

629
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: I had the opposite of college prep. I had no

630
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: college prep. So I show up, I'm literally so overwhelmed.

631
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know this whole schedule thing, you know, and

632
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: how you have to find your classes, and it was

633
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: just completely overwhelming to me. Plus I was living off campus,

634
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: I was singing in a rock band, and I was

635
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: working at dairy queen. I had a boyfriend, so I

636
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: had a lot going on that was pulling me in

637
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: a lot of directions. But I went one semester and

638
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know what I'm doing at all.

639
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: The fact that you came from such a small school,

640
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: and I'll speak from experience as well, it's more than

641
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: just not having college prep. It's like a culture change. Yeah,

642
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: going from ten kids in a class to it doesn't matter,

643
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: a community college amid high school like that is like

644
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: moving to New York City, or was to me.

645
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

646
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it not only was Wow, nobody my family

647
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: has ever been to college before. I'd never been around

648
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: so many people, right, yeah, and it's always all been

649
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: on me. But now I'm having to go and do

650
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: the same thing.

651
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: And so speaking of your rock band, the Penetrators.

653
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: H huh yeah yeah, jeez.

654
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: Well we're in a room who says that let's go

655
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: with that?

656
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: Well, okay, in my defense, you don't need a defense.

657
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: I was seventeen years old when I joined that band,

658
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: and I've lived a pretty sheltered life and we didn't

659
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: have the you know, internet or anything like that. Three

660
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: channels on the TV. One was fuzzy, so like I

661
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: just didn't get it, like I I'd really not until

662
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: I think years later, when somebody said something I was like,

663
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was just like, yeah, the penetrators

664
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: will penetrate you with our music.

665
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: What role did you have when you entered the band

666
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: at first? Were you pure front front man?

667
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

668
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: Like that's it? And did they not have a singer before?

669
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Are we just way better than the one they already had?

670
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: They had one and she quit or moved or something,

671
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and so yeah, they actually one of the guys in

672
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: the band owned worked at a like a music store

673
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: that my parents frequented, you know, when we'd go to

674
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: the big town of Wichita or whatever. So they actually

675
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: came down and talked sat in our living room and

676
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: talked to my parents. These were older, you know all

677
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: I guess they're probably in their mid twenties thirties, and said,

678
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, we want more too. Looking back on it,

679
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: it seems like a blur. I don't really cognitively remember

680
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: like having that. I kind of remember sitting there going, Okay,

681
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: these guys want me to sing in their rock band.

682
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a rock star. I love it,

683
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, and my parents were like, well, you seem

684
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: like good, good people, you know, they kind of gave

685
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: their blessing. And I spent the next year and a

686
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: half riding around in a van with a hole in

687
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: the floor, you know, pooling all of our money together

688
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: to get want two jars of peanut butter and two

689
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: loaves of bread, and like that's what we were going

690
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: to eat for the week. You know what I mean.

691
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: It's like just playing locally but scream like singing Pat

692
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Benatar and Heart and Journey and it was it was fun.

693
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: Well, you have to be nourished if you can penetrate properly. Yeah, yeah,

694
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean I completely understand your protein absolutely. You mentioned

695
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: those three artists, like what are I was going to ask,

696
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: like what songs do you hear and it remind you

697
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: of that time period, like if you hear it on

698
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: the radio or playing at Walgreens. You mentioned Journey like

699
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: don't stop believing it.

700
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Like we did any way you want it? Oh, yeah, good,

701
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: anyway you want it? And we did Pat Benatar, we

702
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: did uh oh my gosh.

703
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: Were the best shot? Did you that?

704
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: Holy? I don't know if we did that one. I

705
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: did that live every once in a while now, but

706
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: we did Promises in the Dark, we did Fire and Ice.

707
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: It was probably a little bit later Pat Benatar, because

708
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I remember when Pat Benatar came out. I was at

709
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: my grandmother's. I was folding clothes and I was listening

710
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: to Casey Casem's Top forty and Heartbreaker came on the

711
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: radio and I was like, what is that? I was

712
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: so knocked out by that.

713
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Jesus Jesus, Yeah, yeah, got got it. Yeah.

714
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: And then later I got to do Crossroads with Pat.

715
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: Benatar, which was and when it all comes back, unbelievable.

716
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Was that like one of the coolest Yeah, for sure

717
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: for me, if I get to hang out with people

718
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: that I loved as a kid, it's way cooler than

719
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: somebody that could be massive, like in celebrity stature. Yeah,

720
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: but for me to be able to I remember like

721
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: John Michael Montgomery right, like he's been over here and

722
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: we and to him, he's just John and loves in Kentucky,

723
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: drove down listens to the show. But I'm like, I

724
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 2: don't know if I need to remind you you're Joe

725
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: Michael mcumber. Like that to me is super cool because

726
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: as a kid listen to a lot. Yeah, and so

727
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: for you to be able to do that, that's awesome.

728
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: It was awesome, and it was so surreal because I

729
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: thought to myself, Okay, never in a million years would

730
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: I have dreamed that I would be on stage with

731
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Pat Benatar singing her songs. But then also, I have

732
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: songs that she's going to learn and sing. That's so

733
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: that's even beyond like but no, I'm it's not lost

734
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: on me. Like when I was standing on the stage

735
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago with Winona and Tanya Tucker

736
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: and me, and I'm like and Tanya, you know, like

737
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: put her arm around me, like, oh my god, what

738
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: am I doing here? Like, yeah, it's so crazy. And

739
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: when you kind of allow yourself to look at it

740
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: that way.

741
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super cool. The penetrators, how long do you

742
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: guys play before you stop penetrating?

743
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: It was pretty short lived. It seemed like a long time,

744
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: but I think it was probably I don't know, because

745
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: I moved to Wichita to singing another band five nights

746
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: a week at a club when I was probably eighteen,

747
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: so maybe eight months a.

748
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: Year at eighteen? Did you kind of have it figured

749
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: out somehow? Someway you were going to sing, like, oh yeah,

750
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: did you know you would go to Nashville eventually or

751
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: was it let's just see where it takes me.

752
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: No.

753
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: I always dreamed of making records and doing, you know,

754
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: doing the big thing, but I couldn't at that point

755
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: in my life eighteen nineteen twenty, really settle on country music.

756
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I was kind of reb I was kind of like

757
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: singing all kinds of music. So I was singing with

758
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: this cover band. I was singing everything from Maretha Franklin

759
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: to Whitney Houston to Madonna to you know, just whatever

760
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: was on the radio at the time, plus some classics

761
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: like that. And I love that too. So I was like,

762
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm really ready to go and

763
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: do country music full time. And I had an aha moment.

764
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: I had to quit singing for a while because I

765
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: was I was like waiting tables and singing in clubs

766
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: five nights a week, and I started to get like

767
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: some vocal fatigue and that they did a scope and said,

768
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have nodules, but there it's not

769
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: looking good. You should probably take some time off from singing.

770
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: So I did, and in the meantime. Of course, I

771
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: couldn't just completely take out hanghop sing, so I started

772
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: singing harmony vocals in this country band, these two brothers

773
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: called the Faler Brothers that played locally, so I'd go

774
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: and sit in and sing harmony. And then I started

775
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: singing with my dad's band a little bit again, and

776
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: we did a battle of the bands, which is so weird.

777
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: We never did that the entire time I was growing up,

778
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: me and my dad and that band. Yeah, And it

779
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: was at a club and it was in Wichita, and

780
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: we did this battle of the bands, and something clicked

781
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: for me, like a light bulb went off, and I said.

782
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: One of the DJs that was judging the contest actually

783
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: said to me, I don't know what you're going to

784
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: do with your singing, because I know you singing a

785
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff, but I hope you decide to

786
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: sing country music, because you know that would be really great.

787
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: And I that comment coupled with the experience of singing

788
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: that music again and realizing how important the lyrics were,

789
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: how important the singer is, it just felt like home

790
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: to me. I said to my mom. She was there.

791
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: She ran the soundboard actually for the band, and I said,

792
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: I think I've made a decision. I'm going to move

793
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: to Nashville and pursue a career in country music. And

794
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: I told my I asked, you know, didn't tell my husband.

795
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I kind of did. I think I said I

796
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: want to move to Nashville. And he had a local

797
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: sound company that was doing you know, local sound and

798
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: touring a little bit regionally, and he was like, all right,

799
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: let's go, and he moved his entire sound company. We

800
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: didn't know. We knew John k from Steppenwolf because John

801
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: had worked with him and toured with him doing monitors,

802
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: but we really didn't know anybody, and we talk about

803
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: naive like I would go. I knew I had to

804
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: find songs, so I'd go to these publishing companies and

805
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: walk up down walk up and down music row and

806
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: knock on the door and say I'm a singer and

807
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: I want to get a record deal. Can you play

808
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: me some songs that I can record for demos? And

809
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: they're like, sure, come on in.

810
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: Like it was so odd that they were probably slightly

811
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: welcoming but confused. Yeah, like this is really not how

812
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: it works, but okay.

813
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: You no, right?

814
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: Wow? So Okay, were you married. You were married at

815
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: the time, Yeah, you and your husband, So how long

816
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: had you been married there before we moved.

817
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: We got married in May of nineteen eighty eight and

818
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: we moved here January of nineteen ninety.

819
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: That's a that's a pretty adventurous first year and a half.

820
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: So you get here, you don't know anybody, You're walking

821
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: up and down. How did you even know music? Rode

822
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: was a thing? Though?

823
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: Well, we ran into we came down before we moved

824
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: and made a demo and actually we went in to

825
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: see this guy at a publishing company that John k

826
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: had known, so it's kind of like a friend of

827
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: a friend, and sat down with him and played him

828
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: a demo that we had made back in Kansas, and

829
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: he said, that's not good. That's not going to cut it. Like,

830
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, that's not good enough. You need to find real,

831
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: real musicians. It was recording a warehouse. It was like,

832
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: really echoey. He's like, you need to find a studio records.

833
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: And he gave us a list of names of people

834
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: that maybe could help us do that, studio musicians, and

835
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: John made a couple of calls and I think the

836
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: third person he called was a bass player named Mike Chapman,

837
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: who said, yeah, I got a friend Lonnie Wilson, who's

838
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: a drummer played on sons of my records. Do you

839
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: know Lonnie? I know, yeah, so great. And he said

840
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: he's got a studio in his like rec room or

841
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: garage or whatever. How about tonight, pap put a little

842
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: band together. You can come out because we were only

843
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: in town for like three days. And I went out

844
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: there and we recorded I don't need a couple of

845
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: original songs that one of the one of the musicians

846
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: had said here, you can record these songs. And I

847
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: was like, I like these songs, and and I took

848
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: it back to the guy the next day and he said, yeah,

849
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: that's good enough. That's that's a real demo, right, So

850
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was It was just it was just

851
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: like meant to be.

852
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: I guess what sounds very divine in that the battle

853
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: of bands happens whether you had jarraha moment where somebody

854
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: happened to be there and go, hey, I would like

855
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: to give you affirmation that what you're doing here is

856
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: the right thing. Like all those little particles came together

857
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: and then you knew somebody that knew somebody in that

858
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: person first of all, not only helped let's do it tonight,

859
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: but it's also like still that same game. He's still

860
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: in your life.

861
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

862
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: Mean all of that's not coincidental, right, but pretty cool

863
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: that when the dominoes fell, we weren't afraid to kind

864
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: of go with them, because that's also brave. Yeah, you

865
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: know here you are, you're I don't know how how

866
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: old are you at this time? Two? Okay, I'll make

867
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: a demo with guests due twenty three, maybe musicians here.

868
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 2: How did you feel singing with experts? Did that? Because again,

869
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: they're the bad They're they're doing studio work. You gotta

870
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: be really good to do that kind of stuff. Yeah,

871
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: did you think about that at all? Or are you

872
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: just like I can saying, let's go.

873
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember I journaled, I have to look up.

874
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: I got to go. I said, I'm going to go

875
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: back through and read all of my journals because your

876
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: perception of things and how it really happened are different.

877
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: But I think I was probably just nervous and blown

878
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: away and kind of like, but let's do this. You know,

879
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of quite equal parts of because you know,

880
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: I was in my element musically but out of my

881
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: element situationally, you know.

882
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know, you come back with that demo

883
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: do you when you move here, do you start passing

884
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: it around? Are you duplicating it? Or are you like, Okay,

885
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: this will get me into another room where I can

886
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: then record even more or or.

887
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we ended up borrowing some money

888
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: to move here, and we set up this was like

889
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: a two song demo. So the song the next demo

890
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: that we made was the one where the songwriter said, here,

891
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: record these songs, and we went to we went to

892
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Fireside I think, and recorded the tracks for like five songs,

893
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: which I just found that demo the other day, by

894
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: the way, and then we were Then we went to

895
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: the Music Mill, which is was a big studio here

896
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: at the time, and recorded the vocals and then we

897
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: so we pitched that around to every record company. Got

898
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: turned down by everybody.

899
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: Why.

900
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. They just said, we're not looking it's

901
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: not what we're looking for.

902
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: Standard answer, it ain't for us.

903
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I made a second demo. This is

904
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: all all within about a year year and a half,

905
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: and John was out as production manager for garth At

906
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: that he'd got that job in the meantime, and so

907
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: I made it. We made a second demo and I

908
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: Mike Chapman, the original bass player guy, said you know

909
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: what you need to do. Somebody had told me at

910
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: a publishing companies I sing in demos. They said, we

911
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: think we hear that RCA is looking to sign a

912
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: female artist, and I was like, okay. So Mike Chapman said,

913
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: you need to put your demo in an envelope and

914
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: you need to write they don't just take stuff off

915
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: the street, which I didn't know. You got to write

916
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: on their requested material and put a phone number on it.

917
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: And I was like all right. So I went down

918
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: to Kinko's and I got this bright purple envelope and

919
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: I wrote I think John actually wrote requested material Martina

920
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: McBride and a phone number. And about three weeks later

921
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: we got a phone call from Josh Leo, the head

922
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: of A and R at the label, and they wanted

923
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: to see a showcase. And we heard through the grape

924
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: vine there was like me and two or three other girls.

925
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: So we put together a band and we went to

926
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: acea clubs. We did a showcase and they came back

927
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: that night and said, come in tomorrow and you've got

928
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: a record deal.

929
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: Why all did that advice of just write requested material

930
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: on there so they'll think that they actually were the

931
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: ones who wanted this, that that act that that paid off.

932
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: It worked.

933
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: Obviously it was you who closed. But sometimes you can

934
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: have all the talent in the world, but if you

935
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: don't have a way to get that talent to where

936
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: it needs to go, it's a tree falling in the woods. Yeah,

937
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: that is so crazy. He's I just write requested material

938
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: and I'll just believe they wanted it and that they

939
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: were the ones that were in control the whole time.

940
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it worked. And you know, on my

941
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: I think my fortieth birthday, Randy Talmage, the head of

942
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: A and R, gave me that envelope. He'd saved it

943
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: all those years and he framed it and gave it

944
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: to me and now I think it's in my Hall

945
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: of Fame exhibit. So it's yeah, it's it's wild.

946
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 4: You know.

947
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that some things are meant

948
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: to be and if you can meet it, you know,

949
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: if you have enough enough determination and sort of passion

950
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: and perseverance to meet it where it is. You know,

951
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: then it's then it, like you said, the dominoes start

952
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: to fall.

953
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's okay to fall with him, I can

954
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: tell you.

955
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: We interrupt this interview to bring you a message from

956
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: our sponsor. This is the Bobby Cast.

957
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: So you've been married thirty five or so years almost

958
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: so got married for the first time, but a year ago,

959
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: never been married, was never engaged, was never in a

960
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: serious anything. Ever, She's the first person ever told that

961
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: I loved, because she was the first person I loved. Right,

962
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: So I'm a little stunned in that part of my

963
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: life because I was just so dedicated to my career

964
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: and met her and it's been a year, year, a

965
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: year and a half or so. What is there is?

966
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: I know there's no universal key. You can't give me

967
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: a key to the city, and I open every door

968
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: with it. What is it? What's the secret that's not

969
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: that secret that is just right in front of me.

970
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: I think it's determination and deciding. You kind of decide

971
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with. I mean, unless there's abuse or

972
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, if it's just really not healthy, that's a

973
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: whole different thing.

974
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: Right.

975
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: But like, if it's healthy and you found your person

976
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: who wants to grow with you and encourages you and

977
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: you it makes you laugh every day and has a

978
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: sense of adventure and all some of the really important things,

979
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: then you just decide we're in this. And there's going

980
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: to be times when you know, maybe you go, oh

981
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: my god, what have I done? You know what I

982
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: mean for him and me? But you go that passes,

983
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: It passes, you talk about it, or maybe it was

984
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: just a mood or a season, and then you just

985
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, you then you start to have all these

986
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: shared experiences and I don't know, I think you honestly,

987
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: I think you just decide to be dedicated to it

988
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: if it's a good relationship.

989
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: Whenever your success really started to grow, and as a

990
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 2: new artist that has a bit of momentum, you're gone.

991
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: A lot people think new artists are making tons of

992
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: money and new artists are out grinding harder than anybody.

993
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, making no money. How was that for the

994
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: relationship with you and your husband? Was that a really

995
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: hard time or was he able to take what he

996
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: does and take that along?

997
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: A little bit of both? So he was my sound

998
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: engineer on the road, so he did. We did travel

999
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: together and we still do that. Really may I think

1000
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: made things easier than if it would have been a

1001
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: different situation because we get to share everything together. We've

1002
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of grown through this together. And but when we

1003
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: were first getting when I first got a record deal,

1004
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: he tells the story of how, you know, he was

1005
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of like my manager for lack of not really,

1006
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, he was like the

1007
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: biggest he wrote on the envelope, he went and dropped

1008
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: it off. He was like a big supporter and so

1009
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, we go do this thing. RCIA used to

1010
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: have this thing during country radio seminar that was like

1011
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: a boat show. So he went on this General Jackson

1012
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: boat and all of the radio people were there and

1013
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: it was like a showcase, like you did your new

1014
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: material or whatever. So the first time I went on there,

1015
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: my promo guy, my radio guy, came and got me

1016
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: and said, I want to take your run and introduce

1017
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: you to some people. And John says, it's like you

1018
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: just like you just left with the real people, you

1019
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean, left and he was kind of

1020
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: left standing there, and also a lot of people weren't.

1021
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: He had to go through a lot of things where

1022
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: till people would get to know him and respect him

1023
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: and not see him as the husband that was going

1024
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: to be in the way, or you know, all of

1025
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: those stereotypes that people have. So it was I would

1026
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: say it was harder for him than me. But you know,

1027
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: once people spend any time with him and recognize his

1028
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: talent and his passion and his heart, you know then

1029
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: that that came around.

1030
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three. You get inducted into the Grand ol Opry.

1031
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned Loretta al in earlier. She's the one who

1032
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: does it. What do you remember about that night?

1033
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: It was part of a television special. It's like an

1034
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: anniversary of the Opry. And Loretta's so funny. She came,

1035
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: she came to do the rehearsal and they gave you.

1036
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: They gave me a plaque and she said, well, during rehearsal,

1037
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: she said, is this is this what I'm supposed to

1038
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: give you? This is what you get for joining the opry?

1039
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I guess so, and so she said.

1040
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: She kind of laughed, and during the ceremony she said,

1041
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: welcome to the Opry, honey, this is what you get.

1042
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: That's super cool. That it was her and she's the

1043
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: one like just first of anything with her. Yeah, but

1044
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: she's the one inducting you into the greatest country music

1045
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: space in the history of the world, the Grand Ole Opry.

1046
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: Like what a special memory. Did you know that she

1047
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: was going to be inducting you before like rehearsals with it,

1048
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: because sometimes you know, they the invite is a surprise.

1049
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: Was that a surprise to you?

1050
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't do it like they did.

1051
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: They didn't just show up and surprise you at the performance.

1052
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: I went to lunch with the head of the Opry

1053
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: and he asked me at lunch, and and then and

1054
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: then I got to I got to invite. I got

1055
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: to ask who I wanted to induct me.

1056
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: So I so you chose right now? Okay, man, being

1057
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: told at lunch by someone who an executive is like

1058
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: being proposed to on the phone. It was like, I mean,

1059
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 2: you're still getting married and that's awesome, but you didn't

1060
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: even get on a knee.

1061
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1062
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: I don't think they did it like that back then.

1063
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: Now I love how they do it now where they

1064
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: I got to be that person for Charlie Daniels. I

1065
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: got to ask him to join the opry.

1066
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: And he didn't know you were there. You guys kept

1067
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: it completely secret.

1068
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1069
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: That's that's the greatest, those videos where people are surprised.

1070
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: Just through that, I would say the history, because you're right,

1071
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: they didn't do it like that twenty five years ago.

1072
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: I think like twenty years Yeah, they started doing it

1073
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: a little bit. But those videos where people get surprised

1074
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: and oh my god, they're awesome. Only second to whenever

1075
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: somebody from military comes home and surprizes are kids. I

1076
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: love those video and those are good too. What I

1077
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 2: don't like when they show the videos of the dogs

1078
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: with one eye and said on McLoughlin sings those videos,

1079
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: that don't like it. I like what they're doing. I

1080
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: just don't like those videos. Yeah, Like you know what

1081
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: comes to me? You sign a record deal ninety one?

1082
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: How fast until you actually take off and have a

1083
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: hit from the moment you signed, until you're on the

1084
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: radio and you got a number one song.

1085
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a second record. I didn't have a

1086
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: number one song to the third record. Wild Angels was

1087
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: my first number one. Actually just happened the other day.

1088
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: I think it was in nineteen ninety six, So it

1089
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: took six five or six years to really get to

1090
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: that place. But I befo four Wild Angels, I had

1091
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: Independence Day and I had my.

1092
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: First three Independence Day. Wasn't a number one.

1093
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: Song, No, it was number ten.

1094
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: Maybe again, I'm just the consumer here. The song that

1095
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: I would know you for the most Yeah, it wasn't

1096
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: even a number one song, right.

1097
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: That's a whole story. Like, you know, we had a

1098
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: lot of resistance at radio with that song because the

1099
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: subject matter, and I think it was really because she

1100
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: burned the house down, you know, it was like she

1101
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: was taking she took action that just didn't set very

1102
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: well with a lot of radio people.

1103
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: Bizarre.

1104
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: And so it's funny because I was so passionate about

1105
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: that song, like it literally changed my life, not career

1106
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: only career wise, but just my awareness and my you know,

1107
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: wanting to try to help some way, and all the

1108
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: letters that I got and the people that I talked

1109
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: to and heard their stories and it was so big

1110
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: for me. And so my probone guy once again, Mike Wilson,

1111
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: came to me and he said, I think we're losing

1112
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: the song. I don't think that it's gonna And I

1113
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: was like, what how is this possible? And he goes, well,

1114
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: there's there's you know, maybe twenty stations that won't won't

1115
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: refuse to play it. And I said, can I talk

1116
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: to them? Can you give me their numbers? And I

1117
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: want to have a conversation and he was like, uh sure,

1118
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I guess, like that's not usually done, but I guess so.

1119
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: And so I got on the phone with these guys

1120
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: and I was just like, talk to me, like, tell

1121
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: me what is it? And some of them would say,

1122
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: we just don't think it's appropriate that it's on our station.

1123
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: And I said, and oddly enough, this is right. Independence

1124
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: date came out maybe seven weeks before Nicole brown Sinson

1125
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: was murdered, so all of a sudden it was on

1126
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: that story was everywhere, and so I was I said,

1127
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because you're talking about domestic violence

1128
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: every day, several times a day on your newscast, right,

1129
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: yet you don't feel like this song can can be

1130
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: listened to or whatever. And I turned a couple few

1131
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: of them around. There were ten stations that never did

1132
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: play it, but but I was able to they would

1133
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: give it a chance. You know. One guy said to

1134
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: me that video like if I'm sitting with my daughter

1135
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: and that video comes on. Then I have to talk

1136
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: to her and explain things, and I'm like.

1137
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's.

1138
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Maybe not a bad idea. So it was interesting. It's

1139
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: just a different time, you know.

1140
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: Is it when people just think that song is about

1141
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: fourth of July. Yeah, like on fourth of July, you

1142
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: hear the song and no, it's not the same thing.

1143
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: I got talking about literal Independence Day of America. Yeah,

1144
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: because sometimes it'd be like, it's your July fourth playlist,

1145
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: oh all the every year, yeah, yeah, and Independence Day

1146
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: comes on.

1147
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: I think I think that's what you were talking about earlier,

1148
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: how sometimes you can just sing a song for years

1149
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: and not really ever. You kind of just sing the

1150
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: chorus and you're distracted during the verses or whatever. Because

1151
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't know what that

1152
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: song is about still, but then so many people do,

1153
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's the song that I've heard

1154
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: and thought to myself, somebody needs to hear this song.

1155
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: This is going to be the song for somebody. Yeah,

1156
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, So then I get letters people saying that's

1157
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: what I got in the car and I heard that

1158
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: song on the radio and that's I decided I'm out

1159
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: of here. I've had enough, right, So it's like that's

1160
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: the power. That's not me. That's the power of music

1161
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: and the power of a song.

1162
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

1163
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1164
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: Three questions for you when you finally win for female vocalist,

1165
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: because you grew up a couple of times in like

1166
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: the late nineties, but in like maybe two thousand and

1167
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: three or so, I think you won the first time

1168
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: three in a row. By the way, it was like bam,

1169
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: bam bam.

1170
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah it was nineteen ninety nine.

1171
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: Is that you won a ninety nine? Okay, so the

1172
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: first time you win, and you'd always been able to

1173
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: envision yourself winning, did you have that moment while it

1174
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: was happening where you're like, I've always like it while

1175
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: it was happening, like I always could see this and

1176
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: now it's actually happening.

1177
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of. Yeah, it was like not an out

1178
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: of body experience, but like it's so okay, I want

1179
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: to say this and have it come off as in

1180
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: a conceded way because I'm not. But and it's not

1181
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. But like, like it goes back

1182
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: to what I was saying before, you kind of have

1183
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: to believe it. You kind of have to believe it

1184
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: otherwise all of the rejection and the and the being

1185
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: away from home, the traveling and the recording and all

1186
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: of the stuff that you do is you know, you

1187
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: have to believe it's going to pay off in that

1188
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: moment as as in that moment. So you know, there

1189
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: was a I don't know, maybe it might have been

1190
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: even four or five years we were nominated and didn't win,

1191
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: and and you just go, what's going to happen. It's

1192
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: going to happen.

1193
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: So you still believed it was gonna happen. Oh yeah, yeah,

1194
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: when you got that close and didn't.

1195
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was too maybe premature, Like I feel

1196
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: like we One thing I'm really that was a good

1197
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: feeling for me was when we finally won. I felt

1198
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: like we'd been around long enough to kind of deserve

1199
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: it in a way, and my team, you know, everybody

1200
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: that works so hard, they it was rewarding. It was

1201
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: just kind of like, I'm so glad it didn't happen

1202
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: too fast. I'm so glad. I feel like I'm kind

1203
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: of in the industry and that people really wanted me

1204
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: to win. Maybe so, but yeah, there's that moment where

1205
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: you go, well, this is it, you.

1206
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: Know, the first time is that you didn't win. Are

1207
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: you like listening for and is it deflating or is it?

1208
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: Do you really feel anytime I ever lose, I'm the

1209
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: honored to be there, right, I'm like this sucked?

1210
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1211
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: Or are you honored just to be there? And You're

1212
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: like I'll get him next time? Like what?

1213
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, I was kind of like that. I was

1214
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: really because I would look at the category and the

1215
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: other females in the category and I was just like wow, Wow,

1216
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: like it's so amazing that I'm even in the same

1217
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: like these people even know. I remember when I walked

1218
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: past Alan Jackson one time at an award show, probably

1219
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: the first CMA Awards that I went to, and he's

1220
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: in the front row and I walked by him and

1221
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, I was I'm not I'm kind

1222
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: of an introvert, really honestly extroverted introvert. Same so I'm

1223
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: not the kind of I'm always the kind of person

1224
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't want to go up to somebody and introduce myself.

1225
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to bother them, you know what I mean.

1226
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: But I walked past him and I just kind of

1227
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: looked at him and thought to myself, oh my god,

1228
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: that's Alan Jackson. And he said I love your stuf,

1229
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, Alan Jackson knows

1230
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: who I am and has heard my music. What in

1231
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: the world you know? So it's it was like that.

1232
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't think you came off. You can see it

1233
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: at all. And I'm a big believer in what I

1234
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: would call a healthy arrogance because if I don't have it,

1235
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: if I don't believe in me so much, nobody else

1236
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: is going to yeah, like I have to because at

1237
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: times other people are gonna go yeah or nope or

1238
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, prove it. But if I don't believe

1239
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: in me and I don't believe what I'm putting out

1240
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: is worth people buying a ticket if I'm doing a

1241
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: comedy show or spending twenty minutes with me in the

1242
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: morning or reading a book, if I don't believe it

1243
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: and I don't believe it's great, nobody else will.

1244
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's true.

1245
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: So I have to be that, and I have no problem.

1246
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: It's just for me at times, I think I get

1247
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: so insecure that that healthy arrogance tends to come off

1248
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: the other way because I'm so insecure that it's like, well,

1249
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: I got approved everybody that I don't take any crap,

1250
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: and let's let's go. That's my problem. When things started

1251
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: to really pop for me, I had to There were

1252
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: a couple of times where I had to be like, whoa,

1253
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: we got to check yourself. Luckily I have that awareness.

1254
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you're aware of it.

1255
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: Luckily, yeah, did When did you ever have to have

1256
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 2: that talk with you? It's a weird question to ask

1257
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, it's hidden now, like let's make

1258
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: sure we make these some wise decisions, not because.

1259
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: Of an arrogance thing or insecurity really, but you know,

1260
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: I just it took me a really long time to

1261
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: realize that I had some power. Like you know, nobody

1262
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: tells you that when you start out. They're like, there's

1263
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: all kinds of people that want you to do what

1264
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: they think you should do. And I mean everybody from

1265
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: video directors to art directors to producers to everybody executives.

1266
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: And it took I think it was my husband actually

1267
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: that said, you know you they're kind of working for

1268
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: you in a way, And I was like, oh my god. Yeah,

1269
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: so then you kind of you can kind of assert

1270
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: your power over your creativity and your own persona and

1271
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: how you're see you over yourself, and that that can

1272
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: get pretty heady. So sometimes I feel like, especially I

1273
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, as a woman, I kind of had

1274
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: to check that a little bit just to not alienate everyone.

1275
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: Makes sense, Absolutely, it does. My final question is kind

1276
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: of a two parter. If you go to your home.

1277
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: Inside your home, what is your favorite professional picture that

1278
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: you have that if somebody could stumble across it's in

1279
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: a frame somewhere. And what is your favorite personal picture

1280
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: that you have that somebody could just stumble across and

1281
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: be like, oh, look at this, Oh you're duck hunting.

1282
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but give me both

1283
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: of them.

1284
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I don't really have any professional pictures that

1285
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: we framed.

1286
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: But nothing like you had to do it, singing at

1287
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: the Opry, anything at all, any not in my house.

1288
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: But a friend of mine, Nathan Chapman, I think it

1289
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: has been on this show.

1290
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: I love him. Yeah, I saw him. We played with

1291
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: shot the Ryemea. Yeah, yeah, he does.

1292
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Speaker 1: He's an amazing human being and my favorite bass player

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Speaker 1: really no offense to all the other bass players out there,

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Speaker 1: but he's so good and he's a great singer and

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Speaker 1: a musician, and I just love him. I can't say

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Speaker 1: enough good things. But he also, because he's good at

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Speaker 1: everything he does, is an amazing photographer. So he called

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Speaker 1: me up a few weeks ago and said, can I

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Speaker 1: jump on your bus and just I just want to

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Speaker 1: come out and shoot photos. I was like absolutely, So

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Speaker 1: he took this photo of me to actually one me

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Speaker 1: going up the stairs to the stage and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of blurring out of focus. It's so iconic. And then

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Speaker 1: another one of me on stage from the back, which

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Speaker 1: is my best angle, by the way, and and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing for me to critique or pull pick apart. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's the back of my head. My hair looks good,

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Speaker 1: it's fine. And so that picture and I haven't got

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Speaker 1: him framed yet, but he made me huge prints, like

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Speaker 1: like as big as that when you have here, So

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm probably gonna frame a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of That's sup. What about personally?

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Speaker 1: My one of my favorite pictures is my picture with Loretta.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of snapshots with her that I

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Speaker 1: have framed, and I just look at I walk by

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Speaker 1: them and just think, I just was so lucky to

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Speaker 1: know her, so lucky to know her, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then of course I've got pictures with my kids when

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Speaker 1: they were from all all through their whole you know,

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Speaker 1: their whole lives. I've got some newborn pictures with all

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Speaker 1: of them, So you know, that's personally. I guess when

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Speaker 1: I say, when you said personal picture and I me

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Speaker 1: and Loretta, that did feel like a personal relationship to me.

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Speaker 1: So but that's probably more in the professional category. So

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Speaker 1: pictures of me with my kids would be the second one.

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Speaker 2: So you're doing shows if you in May and in June.

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Speaker 2: Now you're taking a break right now though for the

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Speaker 2: most part, that's what you're saying. Are you going back

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Speaker 2: out in the fall? Is that Ben announce yet? No? Okay,

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Speaker 2: putting that together, I don't want to go to tour jail,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not going to push know what's up.

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Speaker 1: I just decided this year to take a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: try to tour a little smarter because we were for

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Speaker 1: the past since COVID, since since touring started back up again,

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Speaker 1: we were really hitting it every single weekend, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

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Speaker 1: every single week, maybe with a week off here or there,

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Speaker 1: and it just gets to be so discombobulating. There's all

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Speaker 1: there's always this first of all, I'm a real homebody.

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Speaker 1: I love to be at home, but I love to tour.

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Speaker 1: But there's this re entry that comes every time I

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Speaker 1: come on off the road. There's about a day where

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Speaker 1: it just takes a minute to get settled in in

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Speaker 1: the groove, and that's just jarring, and nothing ever gets unpacked,

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Speaker 1: and everything's I'm transporting things back and forth. And so

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Speaker 1: this year I said I kind of wanted to work

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Speaker 1: in chunks, so we did the Judge tour. We've got

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Speaker 1: April and May off, no March and April off, and

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Speaker 1: then we were working in May, June, a little bit

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Speaker 1: in June, July. Then we're going to do a tour

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Speaker 1: in the summer in the fall for probably fifteen dates,

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Speaker 1: and then we always do a Christmas tour, so we'll

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Speaker 1: probably end up doing the same amount of shows, but

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Speaker 1: they're just spread out a little more.

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Speaker 2: It's been a real treat. I appreciate you coming and

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Speaker 2: just talking with me about like the stuff that I

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Speaker 2: don't have to get to hear from you, Like I

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Speaker 2: want to know about Sharon. Yeah, I want to know

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Speaker 2: about your mom and your dad, and so I hadn't

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Speaker 2: heard this. So I really appreciate you taking an hour

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Speaker 2: and spending it and absolutely sharing that with me. That's

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Speaker 2: that's the coolest thing for me to get to do this.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to get tickets, you go to

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Speaker 2: Martina McBride dot com or go to our socials quite

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Speaker 2: the Instagram following. I must say, you gotta kill it

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Speaker 2: over there.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's fun at Martina McBride. And then the final final question,

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Speaker 2: do you still love singing?

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Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, I do. I mean I do, And

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Speaker 1: I think I'm learning to love it in a different way.

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Speaker 1: For a long time, it was just this thing I did,

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Speaker 1: and it was just this I sort of had complete

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Speaker 1: control over it. I don't, honestly, I took it for granted.

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Speaker 1: But you know, now I'm older, I've gone through a

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Speaker 1: couple of vocal issues which I've been resolving, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it more and I think I'm more connected to

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Speaker 1: it in a in a different way. And I think

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Speaker 1: the next few years, I'm going to enjoy it more

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Speaker 1: than ever.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your time. This has been a

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Speaker 2: real treat for me. I guess that's it, right, Mike,

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01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: all the stats and stuff we read before you got here.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you didn't know what I was here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we didn't want you to get to cocky,

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Speaker 2: you know, So all right, Martina McBride, Everybody, I love

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Speaker 2: this episode of The Bobby Cast.

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