WEBVTT - Danny Strong Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm wondering if this has happened to either of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a letter in the mail.

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<v Speaker 2>I have gotten a letter happened recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring us in, Danielle, Welcome to POB.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a bill for seven dollars and twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>cents for me going through the tunnel in Virginia in May.

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<v Speaker 1>So apparently a.

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<v Speaker 3>Car that had a license plate that looked like the

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<v Speaker 3>plate of my new car, which again I had already had,

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<v Speaker 3>was ticketed. Not ticketed, but like gone through a tunnel

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<v Speaker 3>in Virginia and now they were trying to bill me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, so wasn't I thought you meant like you

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<v Speaker 2>were in a rental car?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Or no, this was not I wasn't in No, I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't there. I have no idea. So I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>my first instinct, what do you think nowadays?

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<v Speaker 1>First instinct, this is a scam.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a scam.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like they they want me and there's like a

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<v Speaker 3>QR code. I'm like, all right, so I scanned the

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<v Speaker 3>QR code and they you know, and now my genetic material,

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<v Speaker 3>they clone me and then I see myself all over

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<v Speaker 3>the country something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, they get you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how they get to you're not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm googling like is this a scam? And then

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<v Speaker 3>turns out to not be, and so I have to

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on the phone for like twenty five minutes this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>going I'm in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>See that's what I'm like. Seven dollars and twenty five right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing, and I'm the chief skate of all

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<v Speaker 2>of us.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if you don't pay it, which I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to pay it, I wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 6>And they start to compound it you would have just

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<v Speaker 6>paid even though you weren't there.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the idea of I hate the phone so much,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea and having to explain things to people over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again.

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<v Speaker 5>My way, we're going to just start feeling you for Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>it's gonna be great for seven dollars and twenty five cents.

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<v Speaker 5>I also would have just paid paid.

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<v Speaker 6>Even though you know it was I will pay for

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<v Speaker 6>parking out rushmore because that's that's yeah, that's really to get.

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<v Speaker 6>But this like having to be on the phone like

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<v Speaker 6>for forty five minutes, and then when they transferred to

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<v Speaker 6>the next person, you have to reattene.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not paying seven dollars and twenty five cents to

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<v Speaker 3>say I was in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 5>I shan't. But I for seven dollars, I probably just

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<v Speaker 5>to get it off my plate. I would have paid it,

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<v Speaker 5>I did. I'm funny you're bringing this up. I just

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<v Speaker 5>got a notification that I had a parking ticket. And

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<v Speaker 5>did you guys know that in LA now they don't

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<v Speaker 5>often leave the ticket on your window.

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<v Speaker 1>You just oh, you just get it in the mail.

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<v Speaker 1>You just get it in the mail. The actually parked.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct, I didn't know what how do you argue with

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<v Speaker 5>the right? Yeah, exactly. I had parked in a place

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<v Speaker 5>in downtown LA, and I was kind of con used

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<v Speaker 5>if it was a parking space or not. I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>is this a parking space? I think it looks like

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<v Speaker 5>it's a parking space. There was a car parked directly

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<v Speaker 5>behind where I was parked, so I was like, this

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<v Speaker 5>car is parked in a parking space.

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<v Speaker 1>They make the signs needlessly confusing, and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Was like, I'm pretty sure this is fine. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm also only going to be in this place that

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in for no more than like fifteen or twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 5>So if it's not a parking space, what are the

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<v Speaker 5>odds they're going to come by in those in that

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<v Speaker 5>short amount of time? Anyway, So I got a parking ticket,

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<v Speaker 5>no ticket on my car, just sent to my house.

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<v Speaker 5>They ticketed me twice within fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>What so I because there's no ticket, so they can't

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<v Speaker 1>have no ticket.

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<v Speaker 5>So it must have been two different people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to call and complain or are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay it?

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<v Speaker 5>They call and complain because they're one of them. Is

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<v Speaker 5>like one hundred dollars space.

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<v Speaker 2>Parking tickets get high, but seven dollars for a toll.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just be like across.

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<v Speaker 1>The country when I wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's actually your license plate, Like the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Picture of a license plate that then was for my

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<v Speaker 3>new car, which I already had in California.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, well, it couldn't have been that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>They send me to somebody else who's like, oh, the

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<v Speaker 3>cameras get weird in the tunnels, And what happened is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the letters of your license plate, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like your license plate, but when we made it

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<v Speaker 3>clearer on the picture. What we thought was an L

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<v Speaker 3>is actually an I totally our fault to ignore it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're good to go, not your license plate.

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<v Speaker 3>But all of a sudden, it was like I just

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<v Speaker 3>got a bill for something like you you just get

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, wait, this is I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think this is the beginning of a cool, scary story

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like you were there, like then they zoom

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<v Speaker 2>in and it was like you see yourself driving and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, wait a minute, how is that? I was

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go back and figure out, like what

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<v Speaker 2>alternate universe double you have in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great, Yeah, well you know there's a new kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a hayte Ai obviously, but there's this new kind

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<v Speaker 3>of thing where apparently it's a prank going around on

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<v Speaker 3>the TikTok machine where you can make it look like

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<v Speaker 3>it's an actual newscast about like a local robbery or something.

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<v Speaker 3>But then when they put up the picture of the suspect,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like someone in your family, right, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 3>people filming like like they think you're watching the local news,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like and here's what the person who lit

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<v Speaker 3>the fire looks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, and it's like the nine year old kid. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>kid's freaking out, like I didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's all I never know what's a scam anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's real and what's not in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>I was teaching it Indie school, and his buddy, his

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<v Speaker 2>best friend, Zev, was part of the thing that I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, running the program I was running. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he offered. He was so nice because I was starving.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't eat any lunch, and he was like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you want any of my lunch and he handed me

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<v Speaker 2>like some carrots from his lunch. I was like, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much, Zev, That's so sweet. And then after

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<v Speaker 2>the whole program was done, it was the screenplayers thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you did before, Danielle. And so after that was

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<v Speaker 2>all done and we were clearing out the room and I.

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<v Speaker 6>See his lunchbox.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So I grab it and I take it home. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just give it to him. So then I text

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<v Speaker 2>his mom. I'm like, oh, We've got Zev's lunchbox. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's eating out of his lunchbox right now in the

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<v Speaker 2>car next to me. I was like, why does.

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<v Speaker 5>This feel like a horror film?

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<v Speaker 2>The call is coming from within the lunch box?

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<v Speaker 4>Who's lunchbox?

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<v Speaker 3>Do I?

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<v Speaker 7>Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>Then I check and it has like, oh god, the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of horror.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, zeb was so kind.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave me some lunch and I have his lunch box.

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<v Speaker 7>But he's.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome upon me to world.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm righter strong, and I wasn't in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Wilfredell.

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<v Speaker 5>When looking back on the show and recapping all seven seasons,

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<v Speaker 5>we spent to the beginning of each recap detailing new

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<v Speaker 5>guest stars. We gave listeners their names, what other projects

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<v Speaker 5>you might know them from, and win applicable a little

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<v Speaker 5>life update. Some of the more interesting check ins we

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<v Speaker 5>heard over the last few months actually doctor Forbes. Riley

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<v Speaker 5>has sold two point five billion dollars worth of infomercial

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<v Speaker 5>products and has a buff husband. Andrew Levittos is an

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<v Speaker 5>acclaimed artist. Marisol Nichols poses as young women on the

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<v Speaker 5>Internet to bust sexual predators. And Glenn Merzer thought our

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<v Speaker 5>show was at least better than Facts of Life, which

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<v Speaker 5>was important, but it's hard not to wonder who exactly

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<v Speaker 5>became the most successful member of our alumni. There's Bill Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 5>a Hollywood powerhouse whose first script was an episode of

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<v Speaker 5>Boy Meets World, and now he has an Emmy filled

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<v Speaker 5>resume that includes Scrubs, Ted Lasso, Shrinking, and Cougartown. You've

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<v Speaker 5>got Adam Scott, one of television's biggest stars in twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty six, arguably making the best work of his long

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<v Speaker 5>career in Apple's Severance and the critically acclaimed horror movie Hokum.

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<v Speaker 5>Linda Cardellini has been a mainstay in Hollywood since childhood.

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<v Speaker 5>She went from Velma and Scooby Doo to shows like

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<v Speaker 5>Freaks and Geeks, Er Madman, and Dead to Me, while

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<v Speaker 5>appearing in other movies like Legally Blonde, Avengers, Endgame, Broke Back, Mountain,

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<v Speaker 5>and The Founder. And she will soon star in the

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<v Speaker 5>new Friday the Thirteenth TV show called Crystal Lake. There's

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<v Speaker 5>Carrie Russell, Ethan Supple, Minasuvari, Marla Sokoloff, Emmy winning writer

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<v Speaker 5>Barbie Adler. The list goes on and on, but this

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<v Speaker 5>week we are talking to a guest star who, in

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<v Speaker 5>any debate, would find himself somewhere atop that list. He

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<v Speaker 5>was a child actor whose career began on Saved by

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<v Speaker 5>the Bell The New Class, where he appeared in five

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<v Speaker 5>episodes credited as both Stanley and Noogie, and soon after

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<v Speaker 5>he would join us for season three's The Heart Is

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<v Speaker 5>a Lonely Hunter, where he played Arthur, Eric's overly qualified

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<v Speaker 5>competition for the local newscaster internship. He'd have other stops

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<v Speaker 5>on shows like Third Rock from the Sun, Seinfeld, and

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<v Speaker 5>Gilmore Girls, but it was as Jonathan Levinson on almost

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<v Speaker 5>thirty episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer that most of

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<v Speaker 5>our listeners would recognize him from, and though he never

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<v Speaker 5>fully gave up on acting with appearances on Gray's Anatomy, Madmen,

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<v Speaker 5>and Billions, it was behind the scenes that he solidified

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<v Speaker 5>his Hollywood legacy. Hoping to write material for himself as

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<v Speaker 5>a leading man, he opened his laptop and started writing screenplays,

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<v Speaker 5>and his first successful foray into the profession was HBO's

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<v Speaker 5>political drama Recount, which he may not have ended up

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<v Speaker 5>starring in, but instead found himself nominated for eleven Emmys

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<v Speaker 5>and five Golden Globes. He followed that up with Game Change,

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<v Speaker 5>another fascinating look into American elections, but this time, not

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<v Speaker 5>only was it nominated, he won the Emmy for Outstanding

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<v Speaker 5>Writing for a Mini Series, Movie or Drama and also

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<v Speaker 5>a Peabody. He'd go on to write the box office

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<v Speaker 5>smash The Butler for Lee Daniels and Oprah Winfrey, both

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<v Speaker 5>parts of the final Hunger Games movie. He co created

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<v Speaker 5>the TV series Empire, created, wrote, and directed Hulu's Dope

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<v Speaker 5>Sick that was nominated for fourteen Emmys and won him

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<v Speaker 5>another peace Body. All while he wrote two musicals, Chess

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<v Speaker 5>and Galileo for Broadway, and yet today he is joining

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<v Speaker 5>us to talk about the one week he spent on

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<v Speaker 5>the set of Boy Meets World, the true crowning achievement

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<v Speaker 5>of his prolific career. I'm sure so. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 5>podcast the very talented and not related to writer Danny Strong.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, how's it going?

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<v Speaker 1>How good?

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<v Speaker 4>How good? Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys doing good?

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<v Speaker 5>We thank you so much. We know you do not

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<v Speaker 5>have much free time, and we are so honored that

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<v Speaker 5>you gave us some of your time today because we

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<v Speaker 5>claim you as alumni and now we're happy today to

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<v Speaker 5>be able to prove it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, Yeah, I'm an alumni.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes you are I'm so congratulations on your massive success

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<v Speaker 7>and this massive hit of a podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so cool.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been hearing about it for pretty much since it launched, obviously,

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<v Speaker 7>but I mean, it's just amazing what you guys have

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<v Speaker 7>all achieved here.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>We have harassed you a few times about coming on

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<v Speaker 5>the pod and convincing.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm also you know, I'm so all in when i'm

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<v Speaker 7>when I'm promoting projects, but I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 7>when I'm not, I should just kind of disappear, So

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<v Speaker 7>I usually and then I don't know, because I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>promoting anything right now, like, and I think Adam Bush

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<v Speaker 7>brought it up again.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, let's do that. I'm just going to go

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<v Speaker 4>do it. He's like, do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you, thank you for joining us. I know

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<v Speaker 5>you were a Manhattan beach kid, which, despite the first

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<v Speaker 5>part of its name, is not thought of as a

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<v Speaker 5>big city hub for the entertainment industry. This dream of

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<v Speaker 5>becoming a child actor, how did you convince your parents

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<v Speaker 5>to do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't really view myself as a child actor because

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't have any success as a child. But I

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't you know, and I wasn't only auditioning, and it

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<v Speaker 7>was really I was able to get an agent in

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<v Speaker 7>high school, but I never booked anything. I booked one

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<v Speaker 7>commercial and then and then I was a theater major

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<v Speaker 7>in college and had similar lack of success, although I

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<v Speaker 7>did book a few episodes to say, by the by

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<v Speaker 7>of the new class, okay, it was very exciting. And

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<v Speaker 7>then it wasn't until I graduated, or I was about

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<v Speaker 7>to graduate. I actually finished a semester early at college.

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<v Speaker 7>So and then it was in that window, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>before the official graduation that I started to book a

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<v Speaker 7>few jobs, Boy Meets World being one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So how old were you when you were on Boy then?

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty one or twenty two?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, we were still in high school, so you

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<v Speaker 2>were playing a high schooler.

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<v Speaker 7>I was playing a high school till you know, a

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<v Speaker 7>few weeks ago. I literally I was playing college into

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<v Speaker 7>my mid thirties. So yeah, but I actually had an interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>You know for me.

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<v Speaker 7>Booking Boy Meets World was sort of a big life

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<v Speaker 7>moment for me, which I'm happy to explain that please.

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<v Speaker 7>So I basically I had been auditioning, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 7>I had an agent in high school and went on,

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<v Speaker 7>but I didn't regularly go on auditions.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>It was maybe once a month i'd get an audition

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<v Speaker 7>for something, but I never booked anything. And then I

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<v Speaker 7>was a theater major in college and I never really

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<v Speaker 7>booked anything, as I just said. So then when I

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<v Speaker 7>was about to graduate, and I was in that period

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<v Speaker 7>where I wasn't I hadn't graduated, but I wasn't in

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<v Speaker 7>school anymore, right, I started to rethink what I was

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<v Speaker 7>going to do with my life. And I got an

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<v Speaker 7>internship for these producers and they actually offered me a job.

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<v Speaker 7>So I thought, you know what, I think, I'm going

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<v Speaker 7>to quit acting.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I.

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<v Speaker 7>Went on this what I viewed as my last audition

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<v Speaker 7>was first show called Minor Adjustments.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember minor adjustments?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, where'd you do minor adjustments? Who doesn't remember?

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<v Speaker 7>So I went and for Minor Adjustments and there was

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<v Speaker 7>the audition sides, and I guess I didn't get them

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<v Speaker 7>till I got to the audition. And then I thought

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<v Speaker 7>what I had always thought whenever I was auditioning. And

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if this ever, if you guys ever

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<v Speaker 7>thought this, which was what are they looking for you know,

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<v Speaker 7>what are they looking for?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 7>And then I thought, well, it's my last audition, because

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<v Speaker 7>I was told myself this was gonna be my last audition. Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>And I thought, well, I don't care what they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 7>This is my last audition, so I'm gonna do whatever

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<v Speaker 7>I want. And I read the material and I thought, Oh,

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<v Speaker 7>this kid's weird. I should play him sort of like

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<v Speaker 7>Kramer from Seinfeld. So then I walked into the room

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<v Speaker 7>and I did the audition, and I walked in the

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<v Speaker 7>room sort of my version of Kramer, and they just

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<v Speaker 7>started laughing the second I walked in. And then after

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<v Speaker 7>all those years of auditioning, I booked the job.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And so then my agent called me and said, look,

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<v Speaker 7>you book the job, and you have an audition for

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<v Speaker 7>Boy Meets World tomorrow. And I was like, and Boy

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<v Speaker 7>meets World minor adjustments is I hadn't aired, I hadn't

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<v Speaker 7>heard of it. Boy Meets World. That was a big deal,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. I mean, I'm like, wow, this is that's

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<v Speaker 7>a really cool.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a real show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a real show. That's a famous show. Right.

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<v Speaker 7>So I went into the audition and and then and

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<v Speaker 7>again I didn't get the sides untill I got to

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<v Speaker 7>the audition, and I thought, Oh, what are they looking for?

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<v Speaker 7>And then I thought, wait a second, I ignored that yesterday,

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<v Speaker 7>so I'm not I don't care what they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just gonna do what I think is funny with

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<v Speaker 7>the material. And I thought, oh, I'm gonna make the

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<v Speaker 7>character very arrogant. I'm just gonna be very arrogant. So

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<v Speaker 7>then I walked in and I did the audition, and

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<v Speaker 7>then I got the job. And then the same thing

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<v Speaker 7>happened a few days later, and I booked three jobs

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<v Speaker 7>in one week after having not worked for almost seven

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<v Speaker 7>years of auditioning so to me, and Boy Meets World

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<v Speaker 7>was and the other show I actually hadn't heard of either,

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<v Speaker 7>so that so it was literally but booking Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 7>World was like, oh wait, maybe I shouldn't quit, Maybe

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<v Speaker 7>maybe I.

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<v Speaker 2>Should do this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's work.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was my.

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<v Speaker 7>Big life moment, which was and it was a huge

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<v Speaker 7>turning point for me, not just as an act but

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<v Speaker 7>just in life. Right, not what they're looking for, but

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<v Speaker 7>just bring what you want to bring.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So here here's my follow up question.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, yeah, did that play out in the in working

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<v Speaker 2>on the job, Like, did you get to did you

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<v Speaker 2>get to keep doing what you wanted to do on

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<v Speaker 2>the set of Boy Meets World? Or were you then

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<v Speaker 2>immediately told that here's what we're looking for.

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<v Speaker 7>No, no, no, kind of did what I did. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>glad and everyone was, you know, they really liked it.

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<v Speaker 7>It was you know, and then I have to say,

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<v Speaker 7>the three of you and everyone was so nice to me,

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<v Speaker 7>and it was so memorable because you know, you're all

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<v Speaker 7>very famous. I've barely done anything except for this episode

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<v Speaker 7>of Minor Adjustments, which.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually ended up shooting the day before I came

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<v Speaker 4>to Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>Really yeah, it was all booked at the same time, right,

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<v Speaker 7>and it was you know, and I was all star

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<v Speaker 7>struck by by the three of you and by Ben

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<v Speaker 7>Savage and it was just, you know, very exciting to

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<v Speaker 7>be there, and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys were also nice.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's very memorable to me, a very memorable sort

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<v Speaker 7>of life moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, at this point, Quentin Tarantino's employment at your local

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<v Speaker 5>video Star Video Archives has become folklore in film history. Sure, you,

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<v Speaker 5>as a young person befriended this clerk and talked movies

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<v Speaker 5>all day with him. Tell me what that was like

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<v Speaker 5>and how his passion affected the way you looked at movies.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>So there was this avant garde video store called Video

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<v Speaker 7>Archives where I grew up in Manhattan Beach, and I

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<v Speaker 7>was I was sort of a movie buff since I

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<v Speaker 7>was five six years old. I was watching grown up movies.

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<v Speaker 7>I used to say, adult movies, and people are like,

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<v Speaker 7>you're watching now.

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<v Speaker 5>I was.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually, you know, rated R movies, you know, way too young,

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<v Speaker 7>But nonetheless, I was just sort of what I was into, right,

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't into kids movies, and my mom fully embraced

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<v Speaker 7>what I wanted to watch, right, So they opened this

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<v Speaker 7>avant garde video store that assorted the films by director,

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<v Speaker 7>So there were sections that was this director, this director,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. And so I started going there and I

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<v Speaker 7>and this was when I was nine or ten, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>eleven ish, right, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Looked really young.

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<v Speaker 7>And there was this video store clerk that just was

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<v Speaker 7>so much fun and just wanted to talk movies with me.

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<v Speaker 7>And he was in his mid twenties, I guess, and

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<v Speaker 7>it was Quentin Tarantino. And I would just go and

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<v Speaker 7>talk movies with him, and you know, he fully embraced

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<v Speaker 7>my the films that I was watching at that age

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<v Speaker 7>recommending nothing. But you know, adults had grown up alms

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<v Speaker 7>all the above, you know, and so but I spent

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<v Speaker 7>so much time in there. They would call me little Quintin,

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<v Speaker 7>and so they'd be like, quit in, Little Quintin's here,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I'd like go. And I just loved Quinton

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<v Speaker 7>because he wanted to spend so much time talking to me,

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<v Speaker 7>and my mom thought it was strange. She was like,

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<v Speaker 7>why does this guy talk to you so much?

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<v Speaker 4>Because he's my friend?

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<v Speaker 5>Mom, Okay, I gets cool.

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<v Speaker 7>Someone is talking to me about movies, because it's not

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<v Speaker 7>as if I was having these conversations with my friends.

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<v Speaker 5>At school year old friends.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they weren't watching Chinatown, right, right, So so that was,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, sort of the I don't know, I guess

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<v Speaker 7>the start of my film education was with professor Video

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<v Speaker 7>Store Cork, Quentin Tarantino.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever happened to him, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're just hoping

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<v Speaker 7>he hangs in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Tough business.

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<v Speaker 7>It's look, it's a tough racket. We can all light

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<v Speaker 7>a candle for Coldland tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you ever keep in touch with him over the years,

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<v Speaker 5>have you ever run into him again?

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<v Speaker 7>So I didn't see him for many, many years. And

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<v Speaker 7>then the first movie I wrote that got made was

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<v Speaker 7>a movie called Recount about the Ford to recount great movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh thank You, Thank You.

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<v Speaker 7>And then out of the blue, I got a message

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<v Speaker 7>from his assistant. And the film hadn't even come out yet,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was on the brink of coming out. It

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<v Speaker 7>was getting a lot of press and and she said, hey,

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.080
<v Speaker 7>Quintin is having.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people over to Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>It was this Mexican restaurant, and he just wants to

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<v Speaker 7>know if you want to stop by. So I came by,

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<v Speaker 7>and he had watched the movie already because he had

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<v Speaker 7>gotten an advanced screener on DVD when people used to

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<v Speaker 7>have those things. Sure, and he just was so amazing

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<v Speaker 7>to me, and he gave a whole speech to He

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<v Speaker 7>had you know, ten people there, and you gave a

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<v Speaker 7>whole speech to everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, you guys, don't scand this is little Quintin.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay he used to come to and he told him

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<v Speaker 7>the whole story about he He's like, and he's got

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<v Speaker 7>a movie coming out. And so then over the years,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I would see him from time to time,

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<v Speaker 7>and then he was he won an award from the

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<v Speaker 7>video store Clark Association International, some video store. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>the Quirks, but it was, you know, video I don't

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<v Speaker 7>even know what it was, but it was in a

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<v Speaker 7>big ballroom and he invited me and he gave this

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<v Speaker 7>whole speech at the end, and then at the end

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<v Speaker 7>of the speech he's like, there's someone here you all

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<v Speaker 7>got to meet, and then he introduced me. He had

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<v Speaker 7>me scand up and he said, okay, this is a

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<v Speaker 7>little Quentin.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>And at the time of this movie, The Butler that

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<v Speaker 7>had just come out, and there were billboards everywhere and

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<v Speaker 7>my name was actually on the billboard written by which

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<v Speaker 7>was very unusual.

0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 4>At that time. But they've been doing that more sense.

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 7>And he's like, his name's on billboards and he goes,

0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 7>he goes. He used to come into the store. And

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 7>years later I found out that he had become a

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:11.359
<v Speaker 7>screenwriter and that he was successful. And I thought to myself,

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 7>thank god I did something with my life, because if

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.200
<v Speaker 7>Little Quinton was successful and I wasn't, I would blow

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:18.639
<v Speaker 7>my brains out.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you and good night.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was. It was unbelievable and hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I have a question then, because I loved Recount,

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 3>great movie, Thank you, obviously had to do a ton

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 3>of research.

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<v Speaker 1>So did George Bush win that election? Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>So, I can tell you because they did. They did

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 7>an entire recount of the state of Florida that took

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:55.000
<v Speaker 7>place over eighteen months. And the results of that that

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 7>recount exist, and I can tell you that it's incredibly confusing.

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.439
<v Speaker 1>So this is all the hanging chads and all that

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that.

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.719
<v Speaker 7>It's really confusing. But basically, when they were counting, so

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 7>the Supreme Court famously shut the recount down, and finally,

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 7>after thirty four days, thirty five days of battle, the

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.120
<v Speaker 7>entire state of Florida was finally doing the right thing

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 7>and counting all of the votes in the state of Florida. Okay,

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 7>And no one was doing the right thing at the

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 7>start of this process. Al Gore had only requested recounts

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 7>in four counties, not doing the right thing. He should

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 7>have been requesting them in the entire state. Why didn't

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 7>he It's actually pretty complicated, but the fast answer is

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 7>there was no mechanism to ask, so you had to

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 7>go to every single county. He thought that counties would

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 7>start to say no and it would become a big

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 7>disaster for him. Right, Bush was trying to count zero

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 7>votes in the entire state of Forest. One candidate four counties,

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 7>the other candidate zero counties. Finally, they're counting votes in

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 7>the entire state. Supreme Court shuts it down. They have

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 7>a hearing, and they basically run the clock out. But

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 7>the Supreme Court rules against starting the recount over and

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.159
<v Speaker 7>thus George Bush becomes President of the United States. So

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.439
<v Speaker 7>what was happening on that final day. They were not

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 7>counting certain types of votes called over votes. I told

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 7>you this was confusing, But they weren't counting those votes.

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.400
<v Speaker 7>They were just counting under votes and all the other votes.

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm not going to explain what an undervote and overvote is. However,

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.920
<v Speaker 7>so when they did the final recount that took place

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 7>over eighteen months, it was determined that if you had

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 7>just recounted the undervotes, which was what they were counting

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 7>on that day, George W. Bush would have won the

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 7>election by any counting standard i e. Hanging chads or

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 7>not hanging chads, by something like one hundred to three

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 7>hundred votes, it was that's okay. However, if you included

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 7>the over votes, so they were. If they were counting

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 7>the under votes and the over votes, which is the

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 7>true total number of votes in the state of Florida,

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 7>al Gore wins the election by any voting standard, and

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 7>it's and it's even smaller margin I believe. I believe

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 7>it was like ninety to one hundred and eighty votes.

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 7>Al Gore wins. So you could say, well, they weren't

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 7>counting the over votes that day, so had they had

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 7>gone further, Bush would have won the election.

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 7>No, When the Supreme Court, right before they shut it down,

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 7>a hearing was called to as the Democrats were trying

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 7>to get them to count the over votes Wealth and

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 7>the judge was on the way to the hearing when

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 7>the Supreme Court shut the recount down and he was

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 7>asked later, you know, when this all this information came out,

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 7>would you have allowed over votes to be counted on

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 7>the day, And he said, oh, yeah, absolutely, of course

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 7>I would have because that would have been the true determination.

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 7>So final recap if if that had happened and the

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 7>Supreme Court had allowed this process to move further, would

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 7>al Goore have been elected on that day.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 4>The margin is so small. Yeah, who knows? Because that

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 4>those numbers.

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 7>I was telling you that was an eighteen month methodical

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 7>recount that was done by meeting on the day. Who knows.

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 7>With margins that small, my gut who or probably would

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 7>have pulled it out. But but the truth is thousands

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 7>of more people on election day went to vote for

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 7>al Gore over George W. Bush, but he ended up

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 7>losing thousands of votes in three different counties, the most

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 7>famous being in pomp Beach County because of the butterfly ballot.

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 7>It was so confusing that Pap Buchanan got you know,

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 7>something like six or seven thousand votes for people that

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 7>meant to vote for al Gore because as the ballot itself.

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Was very confusing.

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.959
<v Speaker 7>It was sort of a comedy of airs, you know.

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 7>It was a complete sort of perfect storm of disaster

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 7>for al Gore. Who more people on election day went

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 7>to vote for him than George W.

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Bush?

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 7>For sure.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>God, that's crazy.

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a crazy story. And anyone watching or listening

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 7>to this Gon recount.

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's great, But I want to I want to

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 8>dive into it from your like the personal part because

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 8>you did all this research because Recount was you had

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 8>written scripts, but Recount was the one that, you know,

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 8>really moved you from being an actor to being a

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 8>writer director.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 5>So what was that process?

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, I mean, I've heard about it secondhand from Adam

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Bush that you were just like so angry about the

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>election that you were like, I'm going to go down

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 2>there and do all my own research and write a

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>movie about that. Is that true? Is that what I It.

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 7>Wasn't that dramatic, No, I mean, I was very I was.

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 7>I was very angry about the election at the time.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 7>But I actually I even follow the recount when it

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 7>was happening because I was so enraged. I couldn't watch

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 7>and I just could not watch the recount. And then

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 7>my anger, you know, grew during the Iraq War. That

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 7>was very, you know, a sort of big life moment

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.199
<v Speaker 7>for me because I felt like, I don't really not

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 7>an expert on politics, but I know Sadom Hussein was

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 7>not responsible for nine to eleven yet, and yet you know,

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 7>the President of the United States and his entire party

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 7>is saying he is, and the media seems to be.

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 4>Kind of going along with it.

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 7>So that kind of I don't want to say it

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 7>radicalized me, but it definitely, you know, inflamed me.

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 7>So so then I was trying to figure out what

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to write next, and I'd been writing these

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 7>comedies that weren't selling. And I saw this play called

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 7>Stuff Happens that was about the build up to the

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 7>Iraq War, which I had read a lot about because

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 7>I had read a lot of books about it. And

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 7>I saw how David Hare, the famous playwright, had turned

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 7>all this research that I was familiar with into this

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 7>stunning piece of drama that was electric. I mean, the

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 7>audience was booing the actors. They were booing each other

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 7>on certain lines of dialogue. And I was in the

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 7>last seat of the theater because that was all I

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 7>could afford with like eighting grins so wide, because I

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 7>just was just this was just sort of everything I

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 7>was about as an artist and you know, is just

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 7>a citizen of the country.

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 7>So then I walked out of the theater thinking, oh,

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 7>that's what I need to write next. I need to

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 7>write something like Stuff Happens, And within thirty seconds, the

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 7>idea of the Florida Recount popped into my head, which

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 7>is weird because I hadn't really followed the Florida recount

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 7>and this was six years later, five years later, so

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 7>it's not as if the recount had been on my.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 4>Mind for years.

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 7>So that's how it came about, was that it popped

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 7>into my head and I called my agent for my manager,

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 7>and I said, you know, I know what I want

0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 7>to write next. I want to write the story of

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 7>the Flida account. And he said, well, no one will

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 7>buy that except for HBO, and HBO won't buy it

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 7>from you because they only buy stuff from literally Tony

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 7>Kushner and David Hare like they were at the time

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 7>in this very kind of elite, you know, you know,

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 7>a sort of overly snobby stage. And I said, yeah,

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 7>I know, but it's so good because I'd already boughten

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 7>a book and it does some research at this point.

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 7>And I said, but the story is so amazing. I

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 7>don't really care. I just want to do this. And

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 7>then he said, okay.

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was like, literally, is that all right?

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 4>I love?

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 7>That's what I don't care about. Tell yet who, Well,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 7>I told you, you know, buy it and you really

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 7>want to do it. And it was actually a good

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 7>managing because he had a client he was passionate about

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 7>a story, and and so he just said go for it.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 7>And then, you know, it was a long, sort of

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 7>windy road, but I ended up, you know, several months

0:30:55.920 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 7>later in the office of HBO to pitch the movie Recount,

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 7>and I couldn't believe it. To me, that was the

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 7>victory that I had just made it to that point

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 7>because I never sold anything. I wasn't in the writers guild.

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 7>And I turned to the producer that I was with,

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 7>Lena Motto, and I said, I can't believe I'm sitting

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 7>in HBO about to pitch this movie. And he said, well,

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 7>it's a better story if you sell it. So and

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 7>luckily it turned into a better story because because I

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 7>did sell it, and it took him a few weeks

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 7>to give me an answer, and when he called me

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 7>and he said, well they bought it, I was terrified.

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 7>I just was scared. I was like, oh my god,

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 7>I finally sold something. The first thing I never sold

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 7>was a pitch, and now I have to write it.

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 7>And I just thought, well, you know, this is my

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.479
<v Speaker 7>big shot. What if I blow it?

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 4>And so that was that's but that's how that's how

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 4>it came together.

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Wow, and vaguely was great in that movie, Fantastic. He

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 3>was one of those guys that I remember he's his performance.

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 3>I've always loved him, but his performance so stuck out

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>to me in that film where I was like, man,

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>he's he's like an under rated actor for me.

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was really good in that movie.

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 7>It was wonderful. And when he when they you know,

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 7>his name came up for the part, I was like

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 7>Ed Begley Junior because I thought of him as this

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 7>comedic actor, right. And and then they showed me a

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 7>scene from I think it was an episode of West Wing.

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 7>It was a dramatic scene and he just tore it

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 7>apart and it was he was clearly perfect casting for

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 7>David Boys. Yeah, And I thought, oh, that's perfect, that's

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 7>what you know. And I you know, and it wasn't

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 7>my choice. It was the director's choice. But you know,

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 7>the director was Jay Roach was a wonderful person, really

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 7>listened to me too, you know, on my input and

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 7>so and I just said, you know, I just think

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 7>he's perfect, and Jay was like, well, good, because that's why.

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 4>I want to cast. So yeah he was. And then

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 4>and then Ed was fantastic in it. Yeah.

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's such a cool guy too.

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, sweet, yeah, really wonderful.

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 5>I know you and writer have kept in touch a

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 5>little bit over the years. Is boy Meets World the

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 5>first place you met?

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah. We were on a radio show. Yeah, sort

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 4>of a live radio show.

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, The Thrilling Adventure Hour Zaccer and Acker and Blackers.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>So that brought us back. That brought us together. I

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>mean that's really when we hung out. I mean, I

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, Boybe's World, like that was such a blip

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>and the rear view mirror by the time because you

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>had already done Buffy and so they brought us on

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to host together. Actually because normally they had like two

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>actors that were always doing the hosting duties for The

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Thrilling Adventure Hour and they couldn't do it one week

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and we had both guest starred on different shows.

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>So they decided to have the Strong brothers and they

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>created characters for us to go and do it. And

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that was like when we first hung out. And I

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>think at that point had you even written recount yet.

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I think you were writing, but I don't think you would.

0:33:58.280 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't think so.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, I think you still primarily like I thought

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>of you as an actor at that point, you know, yeah,

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>and I remember we talked a little bit about writing,

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>but that was yeah. And then it was watching the

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 2>recount thing happen. I was like, oh my god, Dan,

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>he's doing so well.

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 3>So I don't think I'm wrong. Do you recall the

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 3>last time you and I ran into each other?

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 7>I mean I don't. I sort of feel like it

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 7>was on set on Blamet's World. Is there another is

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 7>there a story here?

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong. Did we run into each other

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>in the streets of Amsterdam?

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 4>Whoa when was that? I mean, I've been to Amsterdam,

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 4>but once.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure I rounded a corner and you rounded

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 3>a corner and I was with Jason Marsden and we

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 3>stood in front of each other, went oh my god, Yeah,

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 3>we just ran into each other in the red light district.

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Ninety eight would have been late nineties.

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, late nineties, yeah, late nineties.

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 3>So that was I think the last time I saw

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 3>you was on the streets of Amsterdam.

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 7>Yes, and I was never in the red light district.

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 7>Every One that claimed I am this tribunal was a false.

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Because you can walk through and not partake it. It

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 1>is something that must be seen.

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 7>To be still pretty filthy just walking through it. And

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 7>I'm still showering from walk through the red light district.

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 7>Been there, which I wasn't. I was never there.

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 4>I only make me very clear, that was the.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Last time I saw you just ro out of the corner.

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 3>We were both like, oh my god, because I think

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 3>it was the year you were envoy me twirl and

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 3>so we just ended up just kind of there at

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 3>the same time.

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Really I think it was a few years later.

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>But was it Okay, it wasn't a year.

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maybe it was just a year and a half

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 4>lay or something like that.

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was like, oh my god, standing, Yeah, did.

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 5>You have like a young actor crew back then? Like

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 5>we're all your friend's other young performers. We realized we've

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 5>all had little boss's of other actors who've lived in

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 5>and out of the Oak Woods, and yeah.

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 7>You know, you know, I was never I was never

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 7>sort of that much of an insider. I always felt

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 7>kind of like I was kind of on the outside

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 7>a little bit. But I was really close friends with

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 7>Michael Bacall. I don't know if you know Michael baccall.

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:21.760
<v Speaker 4>He was an actor.

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 7>He was in tons of stuff, and we often would

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 7>would come down to me or him for parts. We

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.399
<v Speaker 7>became friends because we exchanged info to let each other

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 7>know who got it.

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Because of his Oh, of course, of course I recognize him. Yeah.

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:42.240
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, he worked a lot. And I started writing because

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 7>Michael started writing and he sold a script and I

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 7>was so jealous of him that and he was encouraging

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 7>me too, like you should write too, you should really

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 7>do this. That That was partly how I started writing.

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 7>And he's gone on to have a very successful writing career.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 7>You just wrote The Running Man, the Edgar Wry movie.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:04.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Scott Pilgrim versus The World Street.

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's done some stuff.

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, that's all Michael. So Michael and I were

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 7>really close. I had another buddy named Blaine Weaver, who

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 7>I just saw recently for the first time in years.

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 7>But it wasn't you know. Me and Adam Bush became,

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, really good friends. And Tom Link we were

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 7>sort of this trio on bucking the Vampire Slayer. But

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 7>I didn't I didn't sort of roll in a in

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 7>a young Hollywood kind of crowd.

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:28.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was a little awkward. I was felt awkward.

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say, Manhattan Beach will kind of alienate

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 5>you from you know, it's I lived in Manhattan Beach

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 5>for a while. I love it there, but boy is

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 5>it hard to get to Burbank from Manhattan Beach.

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 7>Well I wish that was my excuse, but the truth

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 7>was I grew up there, but then and then when

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 7>I went to college, I never went back. So I

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 7>was in Hollywood, you know, just right on you know Stanley,

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 7>just right there street from a halfway house. Uh, I

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 7>lived for a decade.

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 5>And halfway house.

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeahs street from it. So it's called Villa Stanley. And

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 7>there's another Villa Stanley on Melrose, Villa Stanley number two.

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 7>So but yeah, I I uh yeah, I just never.

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I never. I never kind of got

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 4>super inside.

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 5>You also appeared on we've mentioned Buffy now, but you

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 5>also appeared on another cult classic, who Fans Will Never

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 5>Let Die, and that's Gilmore Girls. Between Gilmore Girls Buffy,

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 5>I mean in Boy Meets World, you're sort of in

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 5>the holy trinity of fandoms.

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 4>Pretty good.

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what do you yeah, what do you get recognized

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 5>from the most.

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 4>Gilmore Girls all the time.

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they have fans, rabbit fans.

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.320
<v Speaker 7>I don't even know if you would call them rabbit fans.

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 7>At this point, it's it's like it's just everywhere people

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 7>are just watching that show. You know, mothers and their daughters.

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 7>You know it it is. It's bigger than it ever was.

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 7>And when it went off the air, it didn't you know,

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 7>you didn't feel that at all. And then when it

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 7>started airing on Netflix is when there was this massive

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.800
<v Speaker 7>cultural shifty Gilmore Girls. In some ways, it's like Friends,

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 7>where it's you know, it's it's sort of that big,

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 7>so that I get that all the time. I was

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 7>also even though I'd stopped acting, I kind of kept acting.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:35.240
<v Speaker 4>The things would just pop up.

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 7>And I ended up on a TV show called Billions

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:42.919
<v Speaker 7>for six seasons, which is crazy. And then and so Billions,

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 7>you did that Billions a lot.

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>You did six seasons of Billions.

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.240
<v Speaker 4>It was supposed to be no idea.

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 7>There was supposed to be two episodes, and then I

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 7>ended up doing three or four a year from season

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 7>two through seven.

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 4>My best time.

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 7>The part was so much fun and and and it

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 7>was its in New York where I live, so I

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 7>could just kind of run down there and shoot the

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 7>scenes and go So, yeah.

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Which one do you prefer?

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, now that you've got this incredible writing career,

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, but you're also your acting career took off

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 3>the second you decided you didn't want to be an

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.359
<v Speaker 3>actor anymore, which is seems to be the the way

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 3>it works is like we always joke, if you want

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 3>the audition, you you book a non refuninable plane ticket

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 3>somewhere on the same day. Yeah, the second you went

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm done, your career kind of took off.

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Is there something you enjoy more than the other? Do

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>you enjoy writing more than acting or acting?

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.919
<v Speaker 7>Well, writing, I don't really, you know, like I said,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 7>I don't pursue acting, so it's not even something where

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 7>I'm actively trying to do it right. It's fun when

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 7>I do do it. I really enjoy it, but it's

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.720
<v Speaker 7>it's you know, I have a full writing, producing, directing

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 7>career that is consumes my days, you know, every day,

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 7>and it's and that's what I'm steeped in. But but

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 7>you know, when I'm when I am lucky enough to

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 7>be on set, you know, acting in something, and I

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 7>only do it now if it's something I really want

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 7>to do. But it's not like the phones ringing off

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 7>the hook either in front. I mean, it's just kind

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 7>of every once in a while goes me from something,

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 7>I guess, and then they reach out. So so it is,

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 7>you know, I do enjoy it, but I'm you know,

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 7>fully immersed in a very high stress writing producing career.

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 5>Were you afraid that people wouldn't take you seriously as

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 5>a writer because they knew you as an actor?

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 1>You know it?

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 4>Really I didn't.

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't because it seemed common for actors to become writers.

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 7>And what was great about it because it took me

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 7>seven years from writing my first script to selling that

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 7>pitch for recount, right, So that's a long time to

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:51.399
<v Speaker 7>do something. But the first script I wrote, a few

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 7>producers read it and they loved it, and I realized,

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 7>it doesn't matter what you've done. They're going to sit

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 7>down and read the script, and that's all that matters

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 7>is the script. And I guess a lot of scripts

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 7>are pretty tough to read. So when they read one

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.839
<v Speaker 7>that they really like, they're very excited and they're very

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 7>excited to meet you. And I've never experienced within the

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:20.280
<v Speaker 7>industry any bias from being an actor on the writing front.

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 7>In fact, it's sort of the opposite, where people in

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.240
<v Speaker 7>development that do this for a living of reading scripts,

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 7>you know, have a long sort of history of knowing

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 7>that when actors can write, the scripts can often be

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 7>really quite good. And I've had a number of friends

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 7>have their lives change by writing a script, right, And

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 7>it's just they have a whole new career from it.

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 7>And you know, as an actor, you're boxed in by

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 7>your DNA to a certain extent, you know, and it's

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 7>and you could be, you know, the greatest actor in

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 7>the world, and a lot of times the material doesn't

0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 7>call for it, right. Yeah, So it's sort of and

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 7>I know now from casting being on the other side

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 7>of it, you know, I'm just trying to find the

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 7>person who's right for the part that does that sort

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 7>of does the scene the best, or well, who's also

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.479
<v Speaker 7>right for the part. You know, there's that element which

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 7>is right for the part, the right type of whatever

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 7>that character is right, and that all goes away on

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 7>the writing. It's just doesn't matter what you look like,

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 7>it's just the page. And I found that, you know,

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 7>very liberating to this day. I find it very liberating

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 7>that my DNA is not is not being judged.

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's Yeah, total, when you said it took

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 3>seven years from when you started writing to Recount, then

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.919
<v Speaker 3>Recount comes out, Now you know your career is taken

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 3>off in the writing, writing, and directing and producing kind

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:52.320
<v Speaker 3>of aspect.

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you get to now go back to the scripts

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that maybe you didn't.

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Sell in those seven years and go, Okay, now I'm

0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 3>going to go back and do some of the ones

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 3>that I originally wrote that I wanted to do.

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's a really good question, because that came up.

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 7>You know, Hey, go go to your old scripts and

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 7>sell them and make them dough, you know. And I

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 7>I went and read a few of them to see

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 7>how I felt about it, and I thought, you know,

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 7>this script belongs in this drawer.

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 4>Even if I can monetize.

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 7>It, I don't want to monetize it because I feel

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 7>that i've you know, that my writing has grown. And

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 7>when I wrote Recount, it was the first drama i'd

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 7>ever written, the first true story i'd ever written it,

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 7>and it was much more natural for me than any

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 7>of the comedies that I had written up till that

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 7>point and I just felt, oh, I've you know, maybe

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 7>I've grown as an artist, or I found my voice

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 7>as a writer, or I just felt that the work

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 7>was much stronger than the work had been before. And

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 7>I thought, why don't we just leave this? Uh, why

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 7>don't we just leave this where it is?

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 5>How long was it between Recount and then Game Change?

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 7>Well, they were it was four years from when it

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 7>came out when Game Change came out, but I think

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 7>it was maybe two years two and a half years

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 7>when I started writing it. And it was really interesting.

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 7>When we had finished Recount, the director of it immediately

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 7>thought there was a movie in Sarah Palin. And for

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 7>those of you who don't know Game Change, it's the

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 7>story of John McCain picking Sarah Palin.

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Scared the got to me that movie that scared out.

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 4>Of it is.

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 7>It is kind of terrifying, and it's the very much

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.800
<v Speaker 7>kind of the canary of the coal mine of the

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 7>Coole mind of where we are today, right, you know,

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 7>you see sort of the birth of the mega movement

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 7>in this story. Uh. And Jay Roach was all over

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 7>it as it was happening in real time. He said,

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.280
<v Speaker 7>I want to be in the rooms where they decided

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 7>to pick Sarah Palin, and I said, that's the last

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 7>thing I want to do. I really don't want to

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 7>do another true life, modern day political story. You're a

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 7>little handcuffed. You can't make stuff up. It's got to

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 7>be super but down.

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 4>And I was so.

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 7>Attacked on Recount, and Recount was a very accurate and

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 7>peck uply research, but it didn't matter. They just attack,

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:12.320
<v Speaker 7>you know, an attack of attack, and so I was

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 7>a little gun shy. Then the book Game Change came out.

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 7>And by the way, I had been offered the book

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 7>before they had written a script. I'd been offered it

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 7>a year earlier, and I passed. And the book came

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 7>out and it was a sensation and I read it

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 7>and I felt like such a fool that I had

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 7>that I had said no to it. I just loved

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 7>reading it. And Jay Roach, by the way, in that

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.399
<v Speaker 7>time period, kept calling me every six months about doing

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 7>the Sarah Palin story, and I kept saying no. So

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 7>when I read the book Recount, when I got to

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 7>the Sarah Palin chapters, I immediately saw what the movie

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 7>would be like. And I immediately thought Jay Roach was right,

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 7>there's a great movie in here, and then I forgot

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 7>about it. Then about six months later he called me

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 7>and because they were developing an Obama versus Hillary movie,

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 7>that's what they were trying to do. So Jay called

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 7>me and he said, I've taken over game, changed the book.

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 7>I'm throwing out their Obama Hillary script and I'm going

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 7>to do Sarah Palin And You've said no to me

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 7>four times, but I'm going to ask you one more time.

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 7>Do you want to do it? And I said in

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 7>the phone call, I said, I read the book, You're

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 7>absolutely right, yes, I'm doing it. Yes, so I said it.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 7>So I said yes right there. And then there was

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 7>this tricky moment where we actually had a small window

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 7>to write the script and get it greenlit, because in

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 7>order to get it out, you know, six months before

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 7>the election, which is when they wanted to get it out,

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 7>they didn't want it too close to the election to

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 7>make it look like we were fearing. And then after

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 7>the election there was a sense of no one may

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 7>care anymore. So I had this kind of about two

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.280
<v Speaker 7>months to write a first draft to get them excited

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 7>about it. And it was wild because I hadn't had

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 7>a movie made since recount, and I thought, okay, I

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 7>got two months, maybe I could maybe this will get

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 7>you know, and then sure enough I wrote it, turned

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 7>it in and then it started to get all this.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 4>Momentum and it ended up getting made. So that's how

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 4>that one came me.

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Phenomenal another phenomenal cast. I mean, the cat whatdy? Harrelson

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.760
<v Speaker 3>and everybody in that movie were just they were so good.

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 3>But that movie scared the hell out of me.

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it really did.

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 4>Harris as John McCain. I remember watching them with.

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 7>Them because I had on recount, I had gotten to

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 7>know a lot of Democratic and Republican operatives that work

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 7>on these elections, and I've become very friendly with people

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 7>in both parties. I really enjoyed, you know, I enjoyed

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 7>them all, you know, not all of them, but you know,

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 7>the people that I became friends with, and you know,

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.919
<v Speaker 7>in any party. And so there was one guy who

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 7>was a Republican operative and I invited him to one

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 7>of our screenings of Game Change to kind of test,

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.799
<v Speaker 7>you know, how how are Republicans' operatives going to feel

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 7>about this movie? And the movie ended and he turned

0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 7>to me and he said, that was amazing. I loved it,

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 7>and boy, that is terrifying. So he had the same

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.720
<v Speaker 7>response to you as insight.

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, because they had the Republicans in the movie, a

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 3>lot of the Republicans were going like this is not

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.279
<v Speaker 3>this is not okay, like this is yeah, and even

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 3>John McCain saying things like you got to be really

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 3>careful what the future is going to hold for our party.

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was it seemed very balanced, which is

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 3>the thing that I liked about it, but man, it

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 3>did it scared the hell on him.

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:24.919
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 7>You know, I interviewed so many people in the McCain

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 7>campaign for that film, and they were, you know, they

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:33.319
<v Speaker 7>and they sort of fit into three different categories of

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 7>they really despised Sarah Palin, they really liked her and

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 7>thought she was treated unfairly, and then people that sort

0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 7>of kind of understood, you know, both sides of it,

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.240
<v Speaker 7>and I try to represent, you know, all the different

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:49.839
<v Speaker 7>points of views in the film. And what I loved

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.359
<v Speaker 7>about doing Game Change versus Recount is there wasn't two

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 7>parties represented, so I didn't have to you know, be

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 7>you know enough time to the Democrats the republic and

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.320
<v Speaker 7>make it feel the balance that way. It was literally,

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.439
<v Speaker 7>no Democrats are being consulted in the making of this movie.

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:09.239
<v Speaker 7>This is just Republicans. It's their story, it's what they

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 7>live through, and how can I make it sort of

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 7>as honest and rich and full as possible. And I

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.319
<v Speaker 7>felt like I wanted to show Sarah Palin's experience in

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 7>a way that was honest and at times. At times,

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 7>just in the research, I felt really sympathetic to her,

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 7>and I felt she was in positions that weren't fair

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 7>to her or that were just so much pressure for

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 7>her life experience. Yea, and I wanted to to make

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 7>sure I dramatized all that.

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was great.

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.800
<v Speaker 5>I would love to sit in on one of your pitches.

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 5>And I wonder do you think your acting skills help

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:43.040
<v Speaker 5>you in pitch meetings?

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 7>Definitely, Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, because I'm just very

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:52.879
<v Speaker 7>comfortable pitching. In fact, I enjoy it because it's sort

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 7>of a one man show. It's just me and I've

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 7>written the script and then I go and I do pitch,

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.439
<v Speaker 7>and it's usually it's actually quite a bit of fun

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 7>for me and a lot of writers who don't have

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 7>an acting background, the pitch.

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 5>Is terrifying, exactly the worst part.

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I hate this and they just kind of, you know,

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.520
<v Speaker 7>just kind of read the pitch, which, by the way,

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 7>totally fine if you're a writer watching this. You don't

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 7>have to have an acting background. People just want to

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:20.880
<v Speaker 7>hear what your pitch is.

0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:22.840
<v Speaker 7>At the end of the day, and I tell someone

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 7>I produce and I'm working with writers, I tell them like,

0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 7>don't worry about it. Just re read it. You don't,

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's it's the you know, the story's great

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:32.919
<v Speaker 7>that you've constructed and that'll come through.

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 5>So so Recount goes on to become a massive critical hit,

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.720
<v Speaker 5>Game Change wins a Peabody, and you get an Emmy.

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 5>Were you at that point just like, Okay, that's it,

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm a full time writer now. Or did you still

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 5>think that you were going to have one foot in

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 5>the acting world.

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.920
<v Speaker 7>No, I had after Recount. I hadn't been in la

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 7>for a long time, okay, because I was well, I

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 7>was in a movie before Recount went into production called

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 7>Sydney White with Amanda Bynes. Okay, that's when I was

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.440
<v Speaker 7>thirty three. We were thirty two, playing a college students,

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 7>and so I and then I we did Recount. So

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 7>I actually was gone from LA for nine months, you know,

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:32.320
<v Speaker 7>for I was gone for a long time, came back,

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 7>and then I moved to New York. And I moved

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 7>to New York for three months as a trial, and

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:41.800
<v Speaker 7>then two weeks into the trial, I said, the trial

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 7>is officially over. I'm staying here. I love it right,

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 7>and part of me moving to New York was and

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 7>I don't want to act anymore. So I stopped auditioning,

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 7>and for two years I didn't go on audition. I

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 7>had this really neat manager who had been with for

0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 7>years who's still my manager, and he kept calling me

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 7>stuff over the years, saying, hey, will you go in

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 7>for this that? And I kept saying no, And then

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 7>finally he called and said, there's this raw on Madmen.

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 7>Uh do you want audition for mad Men? And that

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 7>was my favorite show. I went, okay, okay, I'll do

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 7>that one. I'll do that one, and then I booked it.

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:21.880
<v Speaker 7>So then I booked the part and I ended up

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 7>doing or recurring on mad Men. And I actually think

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.839
<v Speaker 7>all the it didn't work I've gotten since has been

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 7>because people love mad Men, and you know, some of

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 7>the I know, Billions for sure was from that. But

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:37.239
<v Speaker 7>but so that's when, and that was so that's after

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 7>not auditioning for a few years. I have to say

0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 7>the two years I wasn't auditioning when I moved to

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 7>New York may have been the happiest two years ago.

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:54.800
<v Speaker 7>Not having four months of pilot season. Will this audition

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 7>change my life for twelve years? And it never did.

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 7>I never booked the pilot, but every pilot season was

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 7>torture for me. And so to have that go away,

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.800
<v Speaker 7>and I'm living in New York City and it's amazing,

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 7>And you know, I was writing The Butler and Game Change,

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.960
<v Speaker 7>those were the first two movies I wrote there, you know,

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 7>So I just was having sort of just you know,

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:20.279
<v Speaker 7>a wonderful experience and that was associated tied into not

0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 7>auditioning anything.

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, how did you connect with Lee Daniels for The Butler?

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 7>So I wrote The Butler. I was hired to write

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 7>The Butler, which would never happen today, but it was

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 7>they had this idea that they thought I would be

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 7>the right writer for it. I loved the material right away,

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 7>and then I wrote the movie. And this was all

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.399
<v Speaker 7>for Sony Pictures and her producer named Wura Zisken, who's

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 7>a real legend. She passed away very tragically from cancer,

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 7>but before she passed away, she started stand up to cancer.

0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:56.759
<v Speaker 7>So then I wrote The Butler and then turned it

0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:00.080
<v Speaker 7>into my agent, and then my agent called me.

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 4>So I turned it in I.

0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 7>Don't know, maybe on a Thursday, and then to my

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 7>agent and to Sony. So Monday morning I get a

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.840
<v Speaker 7>call from my agent and she said, hey, so, I

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 7>don't know what's going on with Sony if they've read it.

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:16.840
<v Speaker 7>I don't think they have because it was not a

0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 7>high priority project for Sony, she said, but I gave

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.799
<v Speaker 7>it to Steven Spielberg and he read it and he

0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 7>thinks he might want to do it because one of

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:29.800
<v Speaker 7>the reasons of all, you know, Steven Spielberg is the

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.319
<v Speaker 7>King of Hollywood for a thousand different reasons, but he

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 7>also wants to know what's going on with scripts before

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 7>anybody else. So if there's a hot script that the

0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 7>agency thinks is a hot script, they give it to

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 7>him first and he reads it immediately. So Sony gets

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:50.839
<v Speaker 7>the phone call, Hey, have you guys read The Butler yet? Oh,

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 7>because Steven Spielberg has read it and he thinks he

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 7>wants to do it. So now this script that's super

0:55:55.719 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 7>low priority becomes the big prior already, right, And then

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 7>I guess people in Hollywood all found out that Steven

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 7>Spielderberg maybe wants to do the butt Were next, and

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.719
<v Speaker 7>so it was instantly a hot script. And then Lee

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 7>Daniels read it during that period and he basically was

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 7>waiting in the wings for Stephen to pass and so

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 7>and then it was about four or five months later

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 7>and then one of the reasons why Stephen backed off

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 7>the project was he decided to do the movie Warhorse first,

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:33.880
<v Speaker 7>which was within his own film studio, DreamWorks, and he

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:37.360
<v Speaker 7>didn't want to slow the project down because he knew

0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:40.439
<v Speaker 7>Wara Ziskin had cancer and he knew how was doing

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 7>because normally he might have hung on to it a

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:45.720
<v Speaker 7>longer to maybe do it next, right, So he backs

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 7>off the project, you know, very generously, and then the

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 7>next day Lee Daniels was waiting in the wings to

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 7>do it. And so that's how that's how that all began,

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:59.239
<v Speaker 7>was that was on the Buttler and so then Lee

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 7>was on the project and and it took four years

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<v Speaker 7>to get the movie made.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, nothing's fast in this town is now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a tough racket. Yeah, it's it's really a tough racket.

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<v Speaker 5>You also have such a diverse range of genres that

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<v Speaker 5>you have done. You also did Hunger Games. How do

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<v Speaker 5>you how do you switch gears to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>kind of go back to back to back with such

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<v Speaker 5>different genres.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a goofy career, right, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 7>because I do film, TV and I do stage musicals.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So it's sort.

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<v Speaker 7>Of all it's kind of all over the place, and

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 7>it's it's literally it's just whatever I'm into.

0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.360
<v Speaker 7>There's not a big sort of master game plan at all.

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 7>It's it's literally just Oh that's that's you know. And

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 7>I'm always guided by the same sentence, Oh that could

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<v Speaker 7>be really good. I just get excited about something. I think,

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.640
<v Speaker 7>oh that could be really good, you know. So and

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<v Speaker 7>then whatever I'm working on that day is just what

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<v Speaker 7>I'm working on, you know, it's not a big it's

0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 7>not a big emotional shifting gears. I try to stick

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<v Speaker 7>within one project for whatever phase.

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<v Speaker 4>I happen to be in on that project.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, So, if I'm outlining something, I try to finish

0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 7>the outline before I get pulled off onto something else.

0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:22.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, constant.

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 7>I'm usually writing three or four different things at one

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<v Speaker 7>time in every different you know, genre is you know

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 7>and so and so. I just try to complete whatever

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 7>task it is. But I find working on multiple things

0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:39.520
<v Speaker 7>is really helpful because then I set something down, I

0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:42.640
<v Speaker 7>go on to something else, and it makes me completely

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 7>forget about that pfect. So when I come back to.

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<v Speaker 4>It, it's a fresh eyes.

0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 7>And that's huge because part of the biggest challenge for

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 7>me is not being able to sort of know what

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 7>to do with it at a certain point because it's scale.

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<v Speaker 7>The more that the fresh eye, I can keep fresh eyes,

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<v Speaker 7>but then at a certain point something just becomes stale,

0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 7>and that's and that's when I know it's time to

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<v Speaker 7>hand it to something.

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<v Speaker 4>Get some reads.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you Did you have any trouble with Hunger Games,

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<v Speaker 3>especially when it's something like, okay, we have to do

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.320
<v Speaker 3>a PG thirteen version of kids slaughtering each other?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like, how do you do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Really on me?

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:19.600
<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 7>They so I did Mocking j Part one and two.

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<v Speaker 7>They had already done two movies, right, you know, so

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<v Speaker 7>they had already done the first Hungry Games, which I

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<v Speaker 7>loved and I hadn't read the books. I had just

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 7>seen the first movie, thought fantastic, yeah, and they yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>Well I did eventually read them when they when they

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:41.800
<v Speaker 7>approached me, but so they they approached me for it,

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:46.640
<v Speaker 7>and I was incredibly flattered just to get to ask

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 7>to pitch on it. And they told me we're going

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:50.600
<v Speaker 7>to ten writers. They were sort of very open, We're

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 7>going to ten writers. We're trying to find one writer

0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 7>to do you know, part one and part two. And

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<v Speaker 7>they were in the middle of shooting catching Fire at

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<v Speaker 7>the time, or were just about to I don't totally remember,

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<v Speaker 7>but so that was so as far as the tone

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<v Speaker 7>of it, it had already been set. And it was

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<v Speaker 7>one of those jobs where every job, every script, has

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<v Speaker 7>its own set of rules creatively politics surrounding the production.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, there are all of them that are their

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<v Speaker 7>own ecosystem with their own sets of issues. And in

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<v Speaker 7>the case of Hunger Games, it was the It was

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<v Speaker 7>an adaptation in which everyone rightfully so wanted to stick

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<v Speaker 7>as close to the book as possible because the book

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<v Speaker 7>was so the books were so widely popular, they were

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<v Speaker 7>so beloved, they were super hot. In that moment. It

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't as if they'd come out a decade earlier. Right,

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<v Speaker 7>They just were red hot, you know, with this passionate

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<v Speaker 7>fan base. And Suzanne Collins, who wrote them, was a

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<v Speaker 7>big part of the team making the movies, so it

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't as if she wasn't She was in the swimming

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<v Speaker 7>pool and was a key collaborator with them. So it

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<v Speaker 7>was in some ways one of the more simpler jobs

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<v Speaker 7>I've ever had, because they didn't want they didn't want

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<v Speaker 7>anyone to come create a lot of stuff. They just

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to stick really close to the books.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm asking, how do you pitch that? Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it just ten people holding up the book going I

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<v Speaker 1>want to write this.

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<v Speaker 7>That what you're asking is exactly what I went through

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<v Speaker 7>and I was asked to pitch.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, well, how do you pitch this?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I don't really know how to pitch this, but

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<v Speaker 7>I'll just I think I need to pitch it out completely.

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<v Speaker 7>That was that was what I said, was I need

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<v Speaker 7>to pitch this out completely. I'm just going to pitch

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<v Speaker 7>them exactly what I'm going to do with the first movie,

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<v Speaker 7>beat by beat, And that's what I did, and it

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<v Speaker 7>was all straight from the book. You know, sort of

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<v Speaker 7>like an editing job. I mean, in some ways, that's

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<v Speaker 7>what that job was. It was an editing job. It

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<v Speaker 7>was a pairing down and then sure enough they you know,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe other people weren't doing that, maybe my skills as

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<v Speaker 7>an actor helped the process. Is we were talking about earlier,

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<v Speaker 7>but then it was me and one other writer that

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<v Speaker 7>were the final two. I actually don't even remember who

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<v Speaker 7>it was. And then we flew to Atlanta because that's

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<v Speaker 7>where they were shooting the movie. So I flew to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 7>I did the pitch. They said wait here and then

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<v Speaker 7>then and then the producer walked out and she said

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<v Speaker 7>you got the job, and I was like, this is crazy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was it was a feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm so curious, Danny, because you've had such an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing career and like, but I also feel like every

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in Hollywood, like you get you end up having

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<v Speaker 2>huge successes for stuff that you kind of like don't

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<v Speaker 2>care that much about or you know, like you're your

1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:44.920
<v Speaker 2>own version of success is often different than like the

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<v Speaker 2>world's version of success. So I'm curious, like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you most proud of? Is it Spielberg reading your script?

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<v Speaker 2>And liking it is it is there like a moment

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<v Speaker 2>that you can say like, oh, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>my personal accomplishment that makes me feel great.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I don't know, it's sort of tough to answer.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I try to, for the most part, work

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<v Speaker 7>on projects that I feel have some sort of societal

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<v Speaker 7>cultural impact, you know, that have something to say on

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<v Speaker 7>a big macro level about something, you know, where I

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<v Speaker 7>want to talk about something that I think is important

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<v Speaker 7>to talk about. And and you know, for a few reasons. One,

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<v Speaker 7>it's just as hard to write something that doesn't do

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<v Speaker 7>that as it is to write something that does do that.

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<v Speaker 7>So I find it a better use of my time

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<v Speaker 7>to be working on something that I feel like is

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<v Speaker 7>saying something important for me. That's what I feel like

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<v Speaker 7>what art is for, although I think that there's lots

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<v Speaker 7>of art that I enjoy that doesn't do that, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's fine too. You know, some of it's just pure

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<v Speaker 7>entertainment and it's funny and you know, scary, and there's

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<v Speaker 7>not a big metaphor or something being told at the

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<v Speaker 7>heart of it. But for me, that's what I personally

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<v Speaker 7>really like to do. But I think there's something else

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<v Speaker 7>at play too, which is I think it makes it

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<v Speaker 7>a better movie or a better TV show or a

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<v Speaker 7>better stage musical. I think it adds a level of

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<v Speaker 7>depth and power to it that increases the entertainment value

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<v Speaker 7>as well. So it's not just altruistic but I but

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<v Speaker 7>for me, it's what I like. I just like art

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<v Speaker 7>that does that. As an audience member too. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>my favorite movie is or you know I you know,

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<v Speaker 7>like when I mentioned Chinatown, that's one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 7>movies of all the time, right, you know, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 7>about corruption. You know, all the President's men, it's about corruption.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess I like things about corruption. You know, these

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<v Speaker 7>are just the different. So so one of the projects

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<v Speaker 7>that I guess you know that I just had such

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<v Speaker 7>a wonderful experience making, which is weird because it was

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<v Speaker 7>so dark, but I had so much joy in making

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<v Speaker 7>it was I did a limited series called Dope.

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<v Speaker 1>Sick, Oh God, Michael Keaton.

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<v Speaker 7>Michael Keaton, Yeah, I did a few of them, and

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<v Speaker 7>so so I was incredibly kind of micromanaging hands on

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<v Speaker 7>on that one, and I felt like it was a

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<v Speaker 7>it was a massive piece of muck raking that I

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<v Speaker 7>was exposing the actions of Purdue Pharma that was micromanaged,

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<v Speaker 7>known being you know, it was owned by the Sackler family.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, say it's a Sackler family's of Connecticut. Yeah, that's yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 7>And it told the story of what happened beat by

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<v Speaker 7>beat in a way that the general public, you know

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<v Speaker 7>that had been in books, but that the general public

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<v Speaker 7>didn't fully understand how the opioid crisis happened. And then

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<v Speaker 7>it was totally manufactured by this company seeking profit. So

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<v Speaker 7>that was that was That was a project I really

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<v Speaker 7>loved making, and to be honest with you, was sort

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<v Speaker 7>of you know, a little gun shy afterward of what

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<v Speaker 7>to do next? Now, although I have written several things

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<v Speaker 7>since then, but but you know, it was very much uh,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, what do I do next? Because it was

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<v Speaker 7>such an incredible experience for me. Yeah, yeah, making that show.

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<v Speaker 7>I really loved it. And we shot it in the

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<v Speaker 7>height of the pandemic, pre vaccine, you know, no vaccine

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<v Speaker 7>in sight, so it was that was just an you know,

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<v Speaker 7>there's so there were no executives there. The producers didn't

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<v Speaker 7>come out. You know, one of our producers came out

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<v Speaker 7>for a few days and he was like, I'm out

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<v Speaker 7>so it was me and this line producer Jane bartle May,

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<v Speaker 7>and we were just all alone on this set on

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<v Speaker 7>a very very complicated production because it wasn't a bubble set.

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<v Speaker 7>We had hundreds of principles, thousands of extras, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>so it was it was a very intense, very intense

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<v Speaker 7>process as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Any any chance of going back to comedy.

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<v Speaker 7>I try and infuse comedy and some of my dramas,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I don't know about doing a straight up comedy. Also,

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<v Speaker 7>they're they're tough to get made now. It's it's a

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<v Speaker 7>really challenging genre. I mean, Scary Movie had a huge

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<v Speaker 7>opening weekend, so and it's doing really well, so maybe

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<v Speaker 7>you know, and Jen Apato is making a big comedy

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<v Speaker 7>with Glenn Powell right now, so you know, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that's really successful.

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<v Speaker 7>So the comedy has been a tough racket for the

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<v Speaker 7>last you know, four or five years, and so you've

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<v Speaker 7>seen huge comedy figures or just you know, streaming TV

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<v Speaker 7>and they're killing it and doing wonderful work.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, well I want, I can't. We can't let

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<v Speaker 5>this interview go without me mentioning that you collaborated with

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<v Speaker 5>Lee Daniels again for a little show called Empire, which

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<v Speaker 5>obviously became a phenomenon. Where did the idea of writing

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<v Speaker 5>about the music industry come from?

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<v Speaker 7>So, so that came from I was driving around Los

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<v Speaker 7>Angeles and so I was back in LA and I

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<v Speaker 7>was listening to the radio, which I never do in

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<v Speaker 7>New York because you don't listen to the radio in

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<v Speaker 7>New York, you know. You just listened to Spotify, and

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<v Speaker 7>there was this news piece on the radio about Puffy

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<v Speaker 7>Sean Comb's closing some huge deal, and I just thought, God,

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<v Speaker 7>why isn't there some huge piece on hip hop? Hip

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<v Speaker 7>Hop is so dynamic, you know, it's such a fascinating

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<v Speaker 7>cultural force. And so that's how that started. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 7>what about And then I thought what would I do

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<v Speaker 7>if I were to do a hip hop story? And

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<v Speaker 7>then you know, like sort of the recount, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>anecdote I told you where the idea instantly came to

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<v Speaker 7>my head. The same thing happened with Empire, where I

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<v Speaker 7>instantly thought when I asked myself, what would I do?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 7>What about the line and winter in a hip hop empire?

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<v Speaker 7>So the line of Winner is a play that's also

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<v Speaker 7>a movie. That's about King Henry the Second and his

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<v Speaker 7>three sons all battling who's going to take over his empire.

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<v Speaker 7>And the whole play takes place when his wife that

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<v Speaker 7>he keeps in prison, eleanorat Aquitaine, he lets her out

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<v Speaker 7>for Christmas once a year. Yeah, he was such a

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<v Speaker 7>good husband for Christmas and she just wrecks.

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<v Speaker 5>Havoc as women do.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that so? Literally? I thought, Oh, what about the

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<v Speaker 4>wine and winter in a hip hop empire? Okay? So

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<v Speaker 4>and then I just broke it down. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so let's say you have jay Z.

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<v Speaker 7>He's a little older, he has three sons, and his

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<v Speaker 7>ex wife is in prison for selling drugs. But the

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<v Speaker 7>drug money is what started the empire, and the movie

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<v Speaker 7>would open with her getting out of prison. And that

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<v Speaker 7>was literally what I thought. And then I thought, oh,

1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:46.800
<v Speaker 7>that's kind of cool. You know I should I should

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<v Speaker 7>tell Lee Daniels about this, because we were in post

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<v Speaker 7>on The Butler post production, and all through post production

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<v Speaker 7>Lee just kept saying, Danny, we're magic together, We're magic.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's what do we doing next? We do next?

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<v Speaker 7>And here I had an idea, So I and I

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<v Speaker 7>worked out a little bit more and then I met

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<v Speaker 7>with him and I pitched him, you know, this idea

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<v Speaker 7>for a movie, and he called me a week later

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<v Speaker 7>and he said, I can't stop thinking about it, but

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<v Speaker 7>what if we did it as a TV show instead?

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<v Speaker 7>And I said, you're absolutely right, because it's about a

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<v Speaker 7>family at war with itself. Sounds like a TV show

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<v Speaker 7>to me. And I said this could be historic, it

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<v Speaker 7>could be like Black Dynasty. And he started screaming, yes, Darling,

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<v Speaker 7>Black Dynasty, Darling, Yes, Darling. And so that was the

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<v Speaker 7>beginning of a That was the beginning of Empire.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And I never I never thought it would get on

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<v Speaker 7>the air. You know, the show, the movie The Butler

1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:47.200
<v Speaker 7>came out and it was a really big hit, and

1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:49.760
<v Speaker 7>I thought, oh, well, we could probably sell this. But

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<v Speaker 7>I think this is a real long shot to get

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<v Speaker 7>on the air because I don't think there had been

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<v Speaker 7>a mainstream black soap opera right in nineteen seventies. Yep,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. So I so, you know, we just we

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<v Speaker 7>just took the project out and then sure enough it

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<v Speaker 7>actually came together very quickly. And gotta you know, it

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<v Speaker 7>was one of those things where it was the opposite

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<v Speaker 7>of making the Butler, which took four years.

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<v Speaker 4>It just it just happened really fast.

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<v Speaker 7>And that was one where Lee and I were sort

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<v Speaker 7>of kindred spirits and that we liked to do, you know,

1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:26.760
<v Speaker 7>entertaining projects that also were infused with social issues that

1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:30.200
<v Speaker 7>had something to say, and so Empire, you know, particularly

1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:33.520
<v Speaker 7>season one was you know, it was all about homophobia,

1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:36.280
<v Speaker 7>it was all about mental illness. You know, there were

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<v Speaker 7>so many elements of the story that were really provocative

1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:45.320
<v Speaker 7>subject matter for a broadcast soap opera, and we just

1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:49.080
<v Speaker 7>leaned into it, and I think it really elevated the show.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's partly what made the show entertaining, because

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<v Speaker 7>we had this bombastic hip hop musical, but also that

1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:58.680
<v Speaker 7>was really in your face and social issues, and it

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<v Speaker 7>added this sort of base of drama to it that

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<v Speaker 7>I think, you know, just elevated the whole the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>You are now focused on Broadway and musicals, another medium

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<v Speaker 5>for you to conquer. What made you look to the stage.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you've mentioned play, so you've obviously loved it,

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<v Speaker 5>ye your whole life.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So I had been I started as a stage actor,

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<v Speaker 7>so I had been in fifty you know, plays and musicals,

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<v Speaker 7>and what's impressive about all the musicals I've been in

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<v Speaker 7>is have a terrible singing voice a disaster. I can

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<v Speaker 7>dance a little bit. I'm when you cook, who moves

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<v Speaker 7>you know? So I was, although now I can't do

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<v Speaker 7>any of the above, but so I but I just

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<v Speaker 7>so I love theater. I mean that was sort of that.

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<v Speaker 7>That's how I that's where it all started for me.

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<v Speaker 7>So when when I moved to New York, I wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to see if I could get into the theater community

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<v Speaker 7>and write a stage musical. And I was so it

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<v Speaker 7>was something I was actively pursuing when I moved to

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<v Speaker 7>New York. And then a friend of mine, who was

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<v Speaker 7>a composer, lyricist, songwriter, he said, I have this idea

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<v Speaker 7>about a musical about Galileo. And I knew a bit

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<v Speaker 7>about Galileo because I had looked into doing a movie

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<v Speaker 7>about Galileo. So and I instantly thought when he said

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<v Speaker 7>I want to do a musical about Galleo, I just thought, well,

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<v Speaker 7>that's a great idea. It should be a musical, it

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<v Speaker 7>shouldn't be a movie. And I said, well, can I

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<v Speaker 7>write it? And he went, oh, you want to write it?

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<v Speaker 7>And I said yeah, I said, I haven't writen a

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<v Speaker 7>musical before, but I'm such a fan of the genre

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<v Speaker 7>and i've been in several I think I might be

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<v Speaker 7>able to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, okay.

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<v Speaker 7>And that was fourteen years ago, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 7>Broadway this November. Wow, fourteen years to get Galileo to Broadway.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 7>Please anyone listening or watching, please go see Galileo.

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<v Speaker 5>Galileo on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's just called Galley.

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<v Speaker 4>And the music's great.

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<v Speaker 7>It's sort of kind of a kind of a rock score,

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<v Speaker 7>but not purely a rock score, and and it's a

1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:27.640
<v Speaker 7>powerful show because it's a powerful story. I mean, the

1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:30.599
<v Speaker 7>Street of Galileo is a really epic, powerful tale.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you said you could you couldn't sing, But were

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<v Speaker 3>you a musician at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play instruments?

1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you?

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<v Speaker 7>But I'm an anti musician. I have no musical ability whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 7>When I was in musicals, I couldn't stay on pitch

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<v Speaker 7>unless they plunked out my melody in the song. And

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<v Speaker 7>even then I could barely stay on pitch, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I just had no feel for it. And then I

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<v Speaker 7>took singing lessons for two years because I was so

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<v Speaker 7>into it and and just you know, point you gotta

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<v Speaker 7>it's just going because you know what, I don't think

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna play for the NBA.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think. I don't think I got right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, you have entered such a cool phase of

1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:13.760
<v Speaker 5>your career where you've been very successful in a lot

1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:17.000
<v Speaker 5>of different fields and genres, and now you have complete

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<v Speaker 5>control to pick and choose what comes next. So what

1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:25.040
<v Speaker 5>is left? Is there anything haunting you that you still

1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:25.720
<v Speaker 5>want to get done?

1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:28.519
<v Speaker 7>Just this podcast, this one, this one, just want this

1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:33.280
<v Speaker 7>to be well, You're welcome being haunted. No, this has

1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:36.800
<v Speaker 7>been awesome, by the way. You know, there's so many

1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.160
<v Speaker 7>It's kind of an endless list of things. And it's

1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:44.880
<v Speaker 7>funny because I certainly can kind of pick or choose

1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:48.719
<v Speaker 7>what I want to write. That doesn't always mean someone's

1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:52.880
<v Speaker 7>gonna buy it, which sometimes they don't, but it does

1:15:52.960 --> 1:15:55.400
<v Speaker 7>not mean it's going to get made. It is so

1:15:55.600 --> 1:16:00.599
<v Speaker 7>hard anything made except for a few people and industry,

1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:03.280
<v Speaker 7>and it's just this uphill battle. But I make it

1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:05.599
<v Speaker 7>harder for myself by the things that I choose to do.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I sort of i've because I've gotten you know,

1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:13.759
<v Speaker 7>a number of cool things made. I'm sort of now

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<v Speaker 7>in a point and there have been times when I've

1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:18.759
<v Speaker 7>worked on things for the paycheck right where I thought, Okay,

1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:21.000
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna do that one for the money, and I'm

1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:24.519
<v Speaker 7>really trying to not do that anymore. You know, I

1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:26.599
<v Speaker 7>feel like I'm getting older and I have less time

1:16:26.680 --> 1:16:29.559
<v Speaker 7>to spend on I don't know, you know, maybe I'm

1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:31.840
<v Speaker 7>being silly about it, but I but nonetheless, I'm just

1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:36.400
<v Speaker 7>trying to be more really more laser focused on trying

1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:39.080
<v Speaker 7>to do projects that I think I really love, that

1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:42.040
<v Speaker 7>are really ambitious, and so that's what I'm doing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>the stuff I'm writing, it's just a great slate of projects.

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<v Speaker 7>I love them all. I think they're so cool and

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<v Speaker 7>they're so hard to get made.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell us about your favorite one, like the

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<v Speaker 3>what's the one that right now, like you're all you're

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<v Speaker 3>focused on, and it's, man, this, I need to get

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<v Speaker 3>this this movie made.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I don't really have a favorite one. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>just sort of whatever i'm working on that day. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>writing a movie for Spielberg right now, which I love

1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:11.080
<v Speaker 7>the project and I love working with Steven, and so

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<v Speaker 7>that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's see.

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<v Speaker 5>Hopefully we'll see that one someday. Hopefully that makes it.

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<v Speaker 7>I wrote a movie for Scorsese a few years ago

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<v Speaker 7>that was in pre production and then it didn't go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, and.

1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:26.880
<v Speaker 7>It was I mean, we were deep in prep and

1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:29.080
<v Speaker 7>all of a sudden it just didn't happen. I mean,

1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:31.759
<v Speaker 7>that's just how hard this business is, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy to me, Like, those are the two people that

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<v Speaker 2>when you said like there are some people who can

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<v Speaker 2>just get things, man, I'm like, really, those are the

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<v Speaker 2>two that I would have thought.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I think I think they can.

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<v Speaker 7>The reason why and I can't go into the details

1:17:44.880 --> 1:17:48.519
<v Speaker 7>on why the Scorsese movie didn't happen, but it just

1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:51.360
<v Speaker 7>it was a real That was one of the bigger

1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:54.040
<v Speaker 7>sucker punches I've had in a while, you know. And

1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:56.680
<v Speaker 7>it's as we all know, right, it's nothing but disappointment

1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:57.600
<v Speaker 7>in this business.

1:17:58.080 --> 1:17:59.240
<v Speaker 4>And that was that was.

1:17:59.240 --> 1:18:02.200
<v Speaker 5>Up there, that's very high up there.

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<v Speaker 7>And Marty called me, you know, and was like, come

1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:08.960
<v Speaker 7>to my office, and then and then you know, he

1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:13.080
<v Speaker 7>told me he doesn't think it's happening, and I just, yeah, I.

1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Just couldn't believe it.

1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:18.679
<v Speaker 7>So it was a big bummer, but but an amazing

1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:20.880
<v Speaker 7>life experience is getting to spend time with these guys.

1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, true, true.

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<v Speaker 5>Honor well, Danny, that's very much how we feel about

1:18:27.040 --> 1:18:30.840
<v Speaker 5>spending time with you today on this podcast. Thank you

1:18:31.000 --> 1:18:34.240
<v Speaker 5>so much for taking so much time out of your

1:18:34.439 --> 1:18:39.720
<v Speaker 5>very busy schedule. Your career and your success is so admirable.

1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:42.719
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, thank you for giving us all this education

1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:44.880
<v Speaker 5>today and telling us about what your life is like.

1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:46.920
<v Speaker 7>Oh my god, it was a pleasure. And by the way,

1:18:47.040 --> 1:18:51.240
<v Speaker 7>incredibly well researched. You hit all the all the all

1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:52.519
<v Speaker 7>the all the top ones.

1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:57.000
<v Speaker 5>We have great producers.

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<v Speaker 4>Very good, they're very good.

1:18:57.880 --> 1:19:02.240
<v Speaker 7>And and congrats again on your huge, successful podcast. And

1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:04.759
<v Speaker 7>thank you again for being so nice.

1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:06.840
<v Speaker 4>To me when I did Boy Means World.

1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:09.800
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's not a small deal to be an

1:19:09.840 --> 1:19:13.639
<v Speaker 7>actor on basically your third show ever and to have

1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:16.160
<v Speaker 7>the stars of the show be so lovely to you,

1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:17.960
<v Speaker 7>and you know, Will, all my scenes were with you.

1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:21.599
<v Speaker 7>It was so cool and I was just like, Will,

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<v Speaker 7>this great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much, absolutely absolutely so.

1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Anytime you want to write like a Spielberg kind of

1:19:31.320 --> 1:19:33.080
<v Speaker 3>film for me, we gotta do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Please feel please feel free, Danny.

1:19:36.000 --> 1:19:43.720
<v Speaker 7>Writing comedy, Me and You.

1:19:40.520 --> 1:19:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Comedy, red Light District.

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<v Speaker 1>I was never there.

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<v Speaker 4>I was never in the red Light District.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what Will was talking the first time

1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:55.800
<v Speaker 7>he's thinking of Seth Green, that was that wasn't me?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much? Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he the most successful guest star that has ever

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<v Speaker 3>been on board?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean you got Adam Scott, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's a lot of a lot of different

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<v Speaker 3>people that in their fields.

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<v Speaker 1>Spielberg and Marty Scorsese.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, and he's Stephen Stephen working with I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's I think is good.

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<v Speaker 5>Top of that, Like you talk about, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 5>had that level of success directing, he's had that level

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<v Speaker 5>of success writing, and he's had that level of success acting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's like, so so you're just the top at

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<v Speaker 5>everything you do. It's unbelievable. Very cool, just very cool.

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<v Speaker 5>What a great conversation I could I could literally talk

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<v Speaker 5>to him, Yeah, for many more hours.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that he was He started just talking to

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<v Speaker 3>Quentin Tarantino about movies. That's mine at nine years old,

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna sit there and just have conversations with Quentin

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<v Speaker 3>Tarantino about movies.

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<v Speaker 5>I love thinking about a kid, a little kid who

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<v Speaker 5>is like after schools, like, Mom, I'm going to the

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<v Speaker 5>video store. And imagine the mom because he's like, my

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<v Speaker 5>mom thought it was weird. Imagine if Adler was like, Mom,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to the video store because this guy in

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<v Speaker 5>his mid twenties likes talking to me about movies. I'd

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<v Speaker 5>be like, Okay, I'm going to go there with you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm going to be involved in this conversation. Just

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, it's just what a cool cool souse.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a cool meeting of the minds, right, Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>because neither of them were successful at that point obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're just like but clearly there's something there, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's some sort of passion for film that they both

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<v Speaker 2>are exhibiting on a different ages and to connect and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So cool, really amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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<v Speaker 3>If this woman being one seventy two year old heartbeats

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<v Speaker 3>away from the presidency doesn't make you want to buy merch.

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<v Speaker 1>It should.

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<v Speaker 3>Now most of you won't get that, but that's a

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<v Speaker 3>line taken directly from Danny Strong. There you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, podmeets World Show dot Com. What what line was

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<v Speaker 5>that is that from?

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<v Speaker 1>It's from Game Change.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a there's one of the one of the guys,

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of the an actual footage of one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest political analysts at the time saying if this

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<v Speaker 3>woman being one seventy two year old heartbeat away from

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<v Speaker 3>the presidency doesn't scare you, well it should. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>like you remember watching the movie, just like, oh my god, yeah, crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh Man will send us out.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you all. POD dismissed.