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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke baseball. See why, good to

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Speaker 1: see you again, saying we had a good run in

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Speaker 1: uh spring training. Now the season is underway.

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Speaker 2: Naw, guy's going now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got a good one though to start

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Speaker 1: this one off. MVP, four time goal Glover, three time

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Speaker 1: All Star, World Series champ, Philly's all time hits in doubles,

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Speaker 1: leader from the town. Welcome to the show, Jimmy Rowlin

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Speaker 1: Ya see why for sure? I mean you touched on it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, let's let's just let's get right into it.

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Speaker 3: Because I've known I broke into the league in oh six, right,

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Speaker 3: you were in six years before me. So when you

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Speaker 3: know a player, Matt, I only know that version of

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Speaker 3: Jay Rowld And I start to look into your documentary

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Speaker 3: have and start to dig into your career, and I

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Speaker 3: realized the swag, the confidence, everything that you had, I

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Speaker 3: thought came over time after you were established in the league.

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Speaker 1: Born with it.

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Speaker 3: Then I look at the game two thousand as a

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Speaker 3: rookie you broke in, and you broke in with that.

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Speaker 2: How much Oakland influence did that have? How much?

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Speaker 3: How much of your swag and the personality and everything

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Speaker 3: was all from Oakland.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, okay, great question, But it started at

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Speaker 2: home with my mom. Like my dad, he was a

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Speaker 2: silent worker. He went through it and I get that

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Speaker 2: from them all. So he went to work in the

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Speaker 2: off hours. Everybody get up and go to the gym

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Speaker 2: at five in the morning. He going at eleven at night,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Or he's going to go

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Speaker 2: at four in the morning. So you don't ever see

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Speaker 2: the work. So you build that foundation that when it

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Speaker 2: comes out it looks like match like you were born

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Speaker 2: with it. But also learn how to talk trash from

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Speaker 2: my mom because that's who she was. She was raw.

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Speaker 2: She played softball, play second base, and my first memory

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Speaker 2: was really watching my mom play softball. That's how it

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Speaker 2: got into it. And you know, women, they just talked

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Speaker 2: trash in general. They just be getting at each other

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Speaker 2: so on on a softball field. That's what it was.

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Speaker 2: It was like I saw the confidence that my mom

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Speaker 2: played with. She get a hit, she knock her hat off,

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Speaker 2: me running around with the hat. Act well, she grab

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Speaker 2: her hat and run around with her hand acting like

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Speaker 2: she's gonna steal second on the single. It's like, mon,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, and then being in Oakland and man,

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Speaker 2: you're from North Cali like you, I mean, you can

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Speaker 2: be good. But if you not this and that, if

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Speaker 2: you're not telling what you're about to do, nobody really cares.

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Speaker 2: And then you have to go out and prove it.

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Speaker 2: And that was the part that I had built in

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Speaker 2: from the work ethic of my dad, like I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: talk all the trash because I know the work I

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Speaker 2: put into. You're gonna look at me. First of all,

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Speaker 2: I'm small or I could take on dude. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: my dad always told me be strong. You know, You're

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Speaker 2: not gonna be tall son, you know, but you can

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Speaker 2: be just as strong. So when I got to the league,

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Speaker 2: having this built up since I was nine, ten, eleven,

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Speaker 2: twelve years old, seeing it happened, telling you what I'm

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Speaker 2: about to do playing baby with baseball and then doing it,

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Speaker 2: and if I didn't do it, it was like, hats off,

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Speaker 2: but I'm coming back at you tomorrow. So it was

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Speaker 2: never a quit. And I've always felt that my mom

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Speaker 2: always said, my grandmother always told me these things. Grandmother

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Speaker 2: said always had charrismam was my mom always told me,

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Speaker 2: and I believe that you know, the mouth speaks the truth,

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Speaker 2: like if you say it, you can accomplish it. So

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Speaker 2: it wasn't just me saying things. These are things that

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Speaker 2: I knew that I can do. Maybe not now, but

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get there. And if I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: I'm about to do something to you, and I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you I'm about to do something to you, what's your job?

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Speaker 2: So who's the pressure on It's not on me, because

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Speaker 2: now you have to stop me from doing what I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you what's going to happen, and it's psychological warfare

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Speaker 2: at that point, because now your whole thing is no

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Speaker 3: And I completely understand how that goes against your competition

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Speaker 3: to come in and have that right away. So on

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Speaker 3: But what does it do to your peers?

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Speaker 2: What does it do to the ogs? When you walk in.

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Speaker 3: The clubhouse and you have that same confidence, How did

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Speaker 2: Nah, they Hey, look look I got into a lot

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Speaker 2: of trouble. The good thing is when I first came up,

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Speaker 2: we had eight of nine brothers on the team, Marlon Anderson,

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Speaker 2: So anything I could do, they treated me like a

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Speaker 2: you know, we get it. But you got to watch

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Speaker 2: them around this person, that person, that person. But when

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Speaker 2: just you know, tone it down. And it was like

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Speaker 2: was like I still have to be me because that's

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Speaker 2: that's what it was for you. That'll I mean, and

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Speaker 2: I get it. And I'd rather go through the heat

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Speaker 2: and be myself, be true to myself than you know,

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Speaker 2: play the game. And there was one time it was

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Speaker 2: my rookie year, oh one, Scott Roling got real upset.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm bouncing around having a good season. The

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Speaker 2: team was losing ninety something games a year. Let's let's

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Speaker 2: look at the nineties Phillies After ninety three. Prior to

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Speaker 2: ninety three, and after ninety three they losing ninety one

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Speaker 2: hundred games. When I got drafted, I was like, that's

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Speaker 2: not gonna be the case. And I made that promise

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Speaker 2: to my mind when I get there, we'll win, meaning

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it's gonna take, but I'll find

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Speaker 2: a way to get us twin. That's just the way

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Speaker 2: I was built. But I'm bouncing around having a good

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Speaker 2: rookie season, and like you said, it just wasn't the

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Speaker 2: norm the rookies you're seeing and not heard, Well, you

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Speaker 2: That's what I bring. Scott Rowland got upset and went

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Speaker 2: to the hitting coach and was like, if Jimmy Keith

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Speaker 2: just want to let you know what's going on. You know,

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Speaker 2: Scott is upset about you know, you're just always talking trash.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting hits. I'm talking to you, you pop a

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Speaker 2: ball up. I'm talking trash on the outside. But it's

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Speaker 2: spurring you to get better, you know. And also we're

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Speaker 2: out there every single day one sixty two. It gets

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Speaker 2: I was hitting him in a second level this day.

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Speaker 2: I was just like, but I couldn't say nothing. What

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Scott Roman, Yep, you know what what

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Speaker 2: knock me out if I do so, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: you know, I gotta take it. We getting to the game.

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Speaker 2: Later in the game, Steve Klein, I'd get to like

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Speaker 2: I've never hit the ball that far, but it was

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Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, what the fuck I do Now? What

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Speaker 2: Steve Klein was cursing me out running around the bases.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see him, I didn't hear them. I touched

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Speaker 2: just like, what is going on. It wasn't so after

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Speaker 2: Bobby bo Nia came up to me tooth picked Bobby

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Speaker 2: that point, yes, that was Scotty saying this is my team,

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Speaker 2: I love the energy, just channel it, use it for

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Speaker 2: what wasn't working was this. There was no atmosphere. Everybody

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Speaker 2: be off for somebody getting cursed out. I was like, nah,

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Speaker 2: we got to change something on the field so we

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Speaker 2: time I didn't smile spring training, it was you know,

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Speaker 2: like I said, I came up, it was ten eleven

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Speaker 2: what's going on. You're not talking, not smiling and all

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Speaker 2: these things. I'm like, well, last year, y'all said I

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Speaker 2: so I said, fuck it, I'm just gonna keep on

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Speaker 2: It was that was me. It was I mean, it

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Speaker 2: figure out, like, I'm trying to do it your way.

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Speaker 2: You took all my insulation away. All my guys are going,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of on the island. So who do I

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Speaker 2: go to? And I said, they addressed it, and I

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Speaker 2: you think yep?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: As listening to you talk about that, it's almost like

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Speaker 2: Say this is who you should be.

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Speaker 3: How often does you have to fight somebody else's perception

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Speaker 2: I was like, like, I didn't hear it. I was

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Speaker 3: You weren't drafted second round. Did you have another career

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I mean, you know video,

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Speaker 2: But it started before that, like with em Hammer. When

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Speaker 1: Vio.

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Speaker 2: You know I deserve it, but yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 2: So I've always adminded the audit, admired the artistry of acting.

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Speaker 2: I can't do it now. But then you know, after

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, you know, man, you know you're famous for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I'm just being on the nightly

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Speaker 2: You're putting the VCR in TV all day.

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Speaker 2: The world Hammer was doing it.

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Speaker 1: I did that.

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Speaker 2: They were black and they had like some some orange

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a sack with him the glitters and ship.

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Speaker 1: But I had my black with the joint with the littleballs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why you look for that one? No, I ain't

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Speaker 1: The Bay Area hot bed for talent. You were in Alameda,

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Speaker 1: Don Treill. What is it about the baseball commit Actually,

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What was in the water out there? What was about

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Speaker 2: what it was. It wasn't basketball, it wasn't football at

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00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,479
Speaker 2: the time. I grew up watching watching run tmc Uh.

429
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: The Raiders were in l a and then you had

430
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 2: the Niners in San Francisco. So all you had in

431
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 2: the Bay really was baseball. And if you weren't playing

432
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 2: baseball in the summer's like what was you doing?

433
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 1: Like?

434
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 2: Really, what were you doing? We had Rick? Everybody loved Rick. Yes,

435
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 2: do everybody lost? It's like Yo, this is what we

436
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 2: do licking the lineage the guys you said, Joe Morgan,

437
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 2: Frank Robinson, bro Hall of Famers, Ricky my favorite player.

438
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing if you're not playing baseball,

439
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 2: if you're not doing this and playing at Greening Field

440
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: on a Saturday day game and here in the Oakland

441
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Colisemi erupts. If you don't think the chair for you,

442
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 2: then what are you doing? And that's what it was like.

443
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 2: It was you had to play baseball. The best athletes

444
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: played baseball. If you want to go out there and

445
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 2: prove you better than me, let's do it on the field.

446
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play you on Saturday. You know, we're gonna

447
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,880
Speaker 2: talk our trash before the game, in and after the game.

448
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 2: And I just think it's what it was. It was

449
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: the time of it. It wasn't like now where you're

450
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: trying to get guys to play baseball on that thirteen

451
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 2: they fall off. It's like, naw, we're trying to go

452
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: somewhere with it. I think a lot of parents bombs,

453
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 2: for sure. A lot of moms play softball, so you

454
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 2: almost didn't have a choice in that sense. And for me,

455
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: it was like, as I said, my first memories, watch

456
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 2: my moms like, this is just what I'm going to do.

457
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 2: And then you will go outside. You're playing strike Out

458
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: with all the homies. You know, those games last forever.

459
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: We grew up in apartments. At this empty field right

460
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: behind our apartments, we went and raked it out, made

461
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: a whole field out of it, moved glass, cleaned it up.

462
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: Because that's how serious it was. Because we got tired

463
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: of sliding on cement, you know, getting strawberry sliding in

464
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: the cars, playing apartments. One day we get adventurous and

465
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: go from you know, tennis balls or a hardball. Didn't

466
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: make no sense, but I'm like, I'm tired of hitting

467
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,719
Speaker 2: the tennis ball over the roof. I want to hit

468
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: a hardball. We break the window. Security come in, Oh yeah,

469
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: they you know, they they know who it is. But

470
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,479
Speaker 2: that's what it was is baseball was in the blood

471
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 2: and in the culture of the Bay Area. And also

472
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 2: you go across the Bay you had Barry when he

473
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: came over from the Pirates. I think that had another

474
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: That's nothing that injected baseball in the Bay Area, but

475
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 2: specifically the Oakland's that's what we did. It wasn't the

476
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: other things, but also too you got to think.

477
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I played every sport growing up, but baseball

478
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: was the only sport when we were little that you

479
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: got the real team uniforms and the real team hats,

480
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like felt icy. Come on, man,

481
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: you could play football and it would be able to

482
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: just jersey. Basketball was a little penny. But when you

483
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: had a baseball like you got your ship across with

484
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: the hat, and yeah, that ship was everything.

485
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: Not the white stirs for a little bit for a minute. Yeah,

486
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: but we got fasted. And the funny thing is when

487
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: I think about my career and playing for the Phillies,

488
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: red and white. I had no matter what uniform I had,

489
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: I always kept the pair of red shoes and blue

490
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: is my favorite color. But Nike made these red shoes

491
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: with the white the white swoos on them, and that

492
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: was it. And I don't think it was me trying

493
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: to stand out. They were just like I just like

494
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: those shoes. I felt good at them, and looking at

495
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: my career, I were red for basically my entire career.

496
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: Like the fact that baseball was even cool, you know

497
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Because there was something that happened along

498
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: the years to where Little League baseball was always cool

499
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: for all kids, and then somewhere around middle school high school,

500
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: it wasn't cool anymore.

501
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: So to have, especially something fashion.

502
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: Wise stick with you with baseball, I think makes a

503
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 3: huge difference and the influence. I mean the guys that

504
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: you mentioned, Barry Bonds, Ricky Henderson. Having representation of guys

505
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: who look like you in the big leagues, how much

506
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: do you think that.

507
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: Influence the game being cool to you? As a thirteen

508
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: year old kid, a lot. I would go to the

509
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: games just to look at Ricky Henderson. I had to

510
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 2: join some blue thold with the wristband attached to it

511
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: to hold on. Look. You couldn't tell me I wasn't Ricky.

512
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: I mean you you know what I'm saying. He knows,

513
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: Ray knows. You couldn't tell me I wasn't Ricky like

514
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: I was Ricky through and through. He's stilling bases. We

515
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: had an apartment probably about just why does this rug

516
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: the couch to couch? He's still in basis I'm running

517
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: from here to there sliding. Couldn't yep me what Ricky is.

518
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm watching the game, So everything I did was Ricky

519
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: talking about the influence. Yeah, for sure, when the Royals

520
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: would come through and I'll get to see Bo Jackson.

521
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm watching everything these guys are doing because it was cool.

522
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: Baseball was cooling, but you talked about it. What happens though?

523
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: In high school? Don't nobody come watch baseball games. The

524
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: girls ain't coming to watch baseball games. It's not cool.

525
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: They going to watch football. Friday night, lights of smoke, screen,

526
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: a blessing through the banners. Basketball. You got Ray looked

527
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: at me at half court like you're gonna let me go.

528
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, go hey, you know what I'm saying. Go ahead.

529
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: You know it's what it was. And so when you

530
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: think about the glamour of the game, the other games

531
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: were sexy. You get thirteen, you start getting interested in girls.

532
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna go to where the girls want to go

533
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: see you, And baseball became less and less and less,

534
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: and then it became more expensive. Aau was turning over

535
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: the travel ball. When travel ball came in, it was

536
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: battling all of a sudd you got to play for

537
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: me here, you gotta play for me there, you gotta

538
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: play for me there. In baseball, nobody's really paying for

539
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: you to come play for their team. You play these

540
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: other sports, don't even worry about it. We got you

541
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: and that changed the game. That's dope, and it's dope.

542
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: As you were talking about, when you made your debut,

543
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: you had a lot of brothers around you, You had

544
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: a lot of great influence around you. You come out,

545
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: you're an All Star right out the gate, first couple

546
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: of seasons in the big leagues. I mean, that's that's fascinating.

547
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 3: And then getting into some of the other influence that

548
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: sometime being in the right place, at the right spot

549
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: and right where you were supposed to be.

550
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: You got drafted by the Phillies.

551
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: That's a country for you. So that's that's a shocker

552
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: for you. But you get there, you're a.

553
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: Short stop straight traft.

554
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: And you got Larry Boy as your manager, who was

555
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: at the time the best shortstop in the history of

556
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: the Phillies.

557
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: So being in that place.

558
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 3: At that time, what did your relationship become with Larry

559
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: right there and for years later?

560
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you hit it on the head. When I

561
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: got drafted, I was not excited at all, like I

562
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: after it was ninety six, I saw the All Star Game,

563
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: there the stadium was trash. This colored seats, you know,

564
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: ash so turf. I'm going to open college, sim we

565
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: got a great team. The uniforms dope, they glow, you

566
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's so beautiful. It's just and

567
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this stadium. I'm like, my mind went there.

568
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know anything about minor league.

569
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: My mind went straight to Veterans Stadium. I'm like, oh,

570
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: that's trash. The second is like, man, they trash like

571
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. You know, you know, you know, I'm excited

572
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: that I but I'm not excited because I've been talking

573
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: to the Braves. I'd been playing on the manors of

574
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: wood Bat League. It was had wood bat leagues then,

575
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: so I'm going one of these two places to think

576
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: was they were so far in the draft they say,

577
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: if you come down this foreigner draft, we'll take you,

578
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: but you're probably not gonna make it there. So I'm

579
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: glad I didn't. As you said, it was, it was

580
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: the right place at the right time. So after my

581
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: two thousand season, I go to play fall ball and

582
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: Larry bow had just been announced as our new manager,

583
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: and Tony pay is my fallball coach and it's like, hey,

584
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: you got to play a food in the day. Her

585
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: new manager's going to be here. He wants to see

586
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: you play. And I heard all this stuff about Bo

587
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: he's the best, he the best, that he's the best,

588
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: that he's a mean, that so be etcetera, etcetera. So

589
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: when I see him, he like five ten, I'm like

590
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: this little dude, you know, that was my first impression

591
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: like him. But look, and I say this and with

592
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: all line.

593
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: Was that coming from a cal Ripken point of view.

594
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I only felt small right when somebody toss

595
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: stood next to me because when I put on the uniform,

596
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: I was the biggest thing out there. That's how I felt,

597
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: And it was only it was only a reminder when

598
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: I it's like, damn, I'm really just short cause I'm

599
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: looking up at everybody. That's That's that's how I felt.

600
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm expecting hercules walk through and he

601
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: comes through and it's I'm like, that's that's Bo and

602
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: he can't be that bad like my dad was mean,

603
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: Like okay, deal with this. So my first bat bat

604
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: and left handed, and it's probably one of only times

605
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: hit the ball the opposite field, hit the ball down

606
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: left field line, probably just late, went out partying and

607
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: just went late, and this happened, you know, to hit

608
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: the ball down left field line, but I'm booking it

609
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: slide in the third a triple down left field line,

610
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: back left handed. Both saw wanted batting, was like, I've

611
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: seen enough. This kid's ready. End up beginning like two

612
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: at bats and came out, go to spring training and

613
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: bowl and John Vukevish, Oh my god, I thought I

614
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: was ready. I thought my defense was where it needed

615
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: to be. They let me go out there the first

616
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: couple of times. Let me make some throwing there, some fielding,

617
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, just kind of watching me. From that day

618
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: for about two weeks to spring training year. He every

619
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: day at seven o'clock, we're taking extra ground balls on

620
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: the back and we did drill after drill after drill,

621
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: backhand after backhand, learning how to get from all these

622
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: different angles, find one place to throw the ball, forced

623
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: seam across, don't do anything fancy, make the out, make

624
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: the out. What did bo do? He made out? He

625
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: had one season, made like four or five hours. That

626
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: was it. So the rest of my career, I'm like

627
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get this dude's record. I think I

628
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: may have tied it, but it was just the work

629
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: and he had my back and I didn't know that.

630
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: Another story for my rookie year said players complaining I

631
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: was jumping around, you know, second base too much. I'm

632
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: trying to distract the picture. I'm trying to get the

633
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: scorm possession. I'm trying to get the third, do all

634
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: these things. It goes back to him. He calls a

635
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: whole team meeting about it. Says nobody's name, that doesn't

636
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: even mention my name, but he describes the whole situation.

637
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: My head comes up. I'm like, bow got my back,

638
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: and from that point on, it's like it's almost like

639
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: you can do no wrong, Like no matter what I do,

640
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: he's going to stand up for me. And y'all know,

641
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: you got some managers that are week, some head coaches

642
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: that a week there's no defense between you and the

643
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: front office, between you and the media. That wasn't the

644
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: case with me. So he was the perfect manager. When

645
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: I first came upnderstood of the position, understood who I was,

646
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: and let me go out there and do it. But

647
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: we worked, we worked, we worked, we worked, but.

648
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: It gives you a different kind of confidence. To your point,

649
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: when you have a manager that believes in you, that's like, oh,

650
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: it's like a proud parent, like a proud mom and dad,

651
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: like a manager that believed. Because I had Don Nelson

652
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: with the Warriors, was the first Coast to believe in me.

653
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: And I felt like I was a completely different player

654
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: when I knew he had my back. It's a different

655
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: kind of feeling.

656
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: No doubt. And you said it, I feel I could

657
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: get do no wrong because I have to answer to him.

658
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: That's fine. That's like I say, it's like talking to

659
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: your dad, like what happened. That's what happened. You know,

660
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm making excuses and he's not mad at you. He

661
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: just want to know what's happened. Now, we're gonna make

662
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: this correction so it doesn't happen again, learn from it.

663
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: And that's that's and that's what it was for me.

664
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: So it was the right place at the right time.

665
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. The Phillies, I was like Coo.

666
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: They brought in bow. I loved Tito. He's my first manager.

667
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: First came up. I heard how much of a player

668
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: manager he was and I enjoyed my time that two

669
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: and a half weeks I had with him, but we

670
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: needed Larry Bull and wanted just to change the whole

671
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: atmosphere what we were trying to do. And although it

672
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: took off with Charlie, the foundation was set with him

673
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 2: and ed Way picking the players, creating this atmosphere. And

674
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: then you traded players away, trade Bobby, trade Lever Throw,

675
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: trade Alivets and it's like, well, I'm the only one left.

676
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: Then I started to feel like, well, this is my

677
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: team at that point.

678
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: And as you have your team, the system needs to

679
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: be shocked at the time.

680
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: So Larry was the right man at the right spot.

681
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: You were the right short stop at the right time.

682
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: Understanding the history of the Phillies up to that point,

683
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, last decade leading up to that point, and

684
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: you start to see these guys start to trickle in. Yeah,

685
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: see Chase Utley come in three, See Ryan Howard come

686
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: in four. You start to see this core being built

687
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: in Philly to where all of you, to some extent,

688
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: even though Ryan is a little bro to you, they

689
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: all had different roles as far as the type of

690
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: leader they need to be for the team and their

691
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: role with the team. How would you define Chase's role

692
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: in Ryan's role.

693
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: They only feel like Chase was responsible for a certain

694
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: set of guys and I was responsible for a certain

695
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: set of guys. And that's what it was. And me

696
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: and Chase understood that. We never really talked about it.

697
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: If Chase had something to say, he'd come to me,

698
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: knowing how I bring it up, you know, And now

699
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: it was a relationship. We knew Chase was the grit.

700
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: He's going to go there, He's going to get there early,

701
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: do the homework, pick up on the tips, pick up

702
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: on patterns. That's what Chase did. He got in a

703
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: lab and he studied, and you know, I laugh, I'm like,

704
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: why do I need to get in the lab of study?

705
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: If I could go to you and get all the work,

706
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, and what you got?

707
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: What you got? You know what I'm saying, what you got?

708
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: But once again, my work was afterwards. So my job

709
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: was to take all the knuckleheads have fun, but also

710
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: there's a seriousness to it. There's a certain point where

711
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: the fund stops and we get to work and those combinations,

712
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, together, like Chase doing the study, he's taking

713
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: care of this group of guys. Me take care of

714
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: the knuckleheads keeping this atmosphere. But we both came together

715
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: and as a group we can together collective. We were like, ah,

716
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: six thirty five games are seven to fly six thirty five.

717
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: At thirty minutes, all that shit stops. It's about business

718
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: and there's a seriousness in the clubhouse. Ryan was special.

719
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: Ryan was like I was a swag, you know. Chase

720
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: was the grit, and it's like Ryan was a confidence,

721
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Like there wasn't nothing he couldn't do. He's gonna hit

722
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: three thirty, he's gonna hit fifty, He's gonna drive in

723
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty, you know what I'm saying. Like,

724
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: So when it all came together, you had us at

725
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: that point in the lineup.

726
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: It was.

727
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: Even when you got beyond Ryan, there was no break.

728
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: We did all the damage in front. That's how we felt.

729
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: Then you get the JDub, you got a Pap Pat

730
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: Before that, jadup choose, there was really no break because

731
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: they didn't want to feel like the lineup was gonna

732
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: fall up fall off after them. So we were the

733
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: leaders and they were the back of the train that

734
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: kept pushing him back up front. So we you know,

735
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: as you hear the same pass the baton, it was like, bro,

736
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: they don't want to face you. He could do it.

737
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: They want to face you. The next guy can do it.

738
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: And when you understood those dynamics in the clubhouse, we

739
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: all went about it. And that way, when guys came up,

740
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: they understood the dynamics. I don't know how it gets

741
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: passed down to the younger guys in the minor leagues,

742
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: but when you get up there, you're expected to do

743
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: a job, you know, and we identify with Chase's guy,

744
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: You're my guy. It's you know, And that's what it was.

745
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: But another guy that was underneath it all was Pat Burrow.

746
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: He was the glue. Like I've known Pat since I

747
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: was fifteen years old, and you know Pat, Pat as crazy,

748
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: you know, young Pat. Young Pat would go out and

749
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: he would fight anything and anybody at the drop of

750
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: a dime, you know. And he was, you know, two

751
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: thirty five and just just just angry, but not not

752
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: in that way, you know what I'm saying, but just

753
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: like he was that what do you do that you know,

754
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: he getting something can happen out all the time. But

755
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: Pat was a glue because if there was ever a disagreement, Pat,

756
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: if there was a arm around me, let's go.

757
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Grab a drinking.

758
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: Hey, this is what some of the guys are feeling.

759
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: And I have a rebellious spirit. I's like, well, fuck,

760
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm like either wh me or against me. And he's like,

761
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm with you, but it's not received that way.

762
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: What do you want me to tell them? And it's like,

763
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: will tell them whatever you want to tell them. You

764
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: know how I feel, you know where they stand. And

765
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: so Pat was a glue and talented, yes, but you

766
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: always need that glue person. There are different personalities, dynamics

767
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: and egos and somebody has to be big enough to

768
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: put their ego inside and say, fuck it, I'm gonna

769
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: keep us all together.

770
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: And that was Pat, especially in a market like Philly,

771
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: like when you when when I look at the current

772
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: team right now, and no matter if it's Philly or

773
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: the Mets, you know some of these tougher Marcus the Yankees,

774
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: seeing how the fans can impact the players and seeing

775
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: the energy that comes from a fan base and every

776
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: time you go out there, if you don't win, we're

777
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: gonna let you know about it, and I know y'all

778
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 3: go out.

779
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: And win the World They didn't. Eve got to get

780
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: that far to have a bad inning, a bad on

781
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: the whole weekend, and.

782
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: You end up winning the World Series to where your

783
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: relationship with the fan base is amazing.

784
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: But did you ever have any moments with the fan

785
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: base where.

786
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: Where y'all bump, where y'all bumped hands, where y'all went

787
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: through it.

788
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: Come on, they threw battles at JD. I was there

789
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: when I was you know what I'm saying, so I

790
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: would say the biggest. I mean, you have little right hands.

791
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: You know.

792
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: It's just that's just fans, just what they do. I

793
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: don't curse them out a few times running off the field,

794
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna be real. You know,

795
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: it's only so much I'm gonna take. I don't care

796
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: if you get on me, but don't get on him,

797
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: especially as a guy. Somebody get injured and he's coming

798
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: in and taking the spot. You can't expect him to

799
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: be what the starter is. That's why he's not starting.

800
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna stand up for him. You can talk

801
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: about me because I get a chance every day to

802
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: go out there and prove you wrong. But I would saying,

803
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: oh wait, we when we won the World Series, I

804
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: went on I don't know something with Chris Rows whatever.

805
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: Their show was, that damn sports show, and yeah, they

806
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: got me done. So we go on and ask about

807
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: the Philly fans. And you know, I'm from the Bay

808
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: where it don't matter if we're down by nine and

809
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: the ninth then and we still feel we got a chance.

810
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: You still we feel we feel we got a chance.

811
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: And Philly, it just wasn't like that. And if you lose,

812
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: you're the worst thing ever, and if you win, you're

813
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: the best thing ever. But it's all depending on what

814
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: happens the next day. Is it's just not just this

815
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: faith that no matter what, we're going to come back.

816
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: So they asked him about the Phillies fans and I

817
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: was like, man, they're front runners, and you thought that

818
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: was gonna go off all right? I didn't even think.

819
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it, because it was my honest truth.

820
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't running for you asked my opinion, you know,

821
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: and you've talked to me. I'm honest, you know, sometimes

822
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, you know I should be more kind than honest.

823
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 2: But in that moment, it's like, yeah, because the Eagles

824
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: were good, right and they were and you go to

825
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: a Phillies game and that's all you here e a

826
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: g l Ees Eagles. It's like, bro, this is June.

827
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: Football ended in Febuary. What are we doing? What are

828
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: we doing? So that was my mindset of hearing this

829
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: that you're at our games, we're winning five to one

830
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: and you know, in the fourth inning, let's say go

831
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: five to five by the seventh. Now all the Eagle

832
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: chants coming out, which is saying, we gave up on y'all,

833
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: get us to the football season. That's how I received it.

834
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: So it's like, and they were winning yet don event

835
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: over there they taking them ai they were the six

836
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Ers were still good t o. He came in. So

837
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: they winning games, and we're the last team I think

838
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: hockey was still decent at the time. We were the

839
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: last team to actually prove something, you know, so in

840
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: my opinion, like support us basically like don't jump on us,

841
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: don't bid our games with these Eagle chance and the

842
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: fans were like, we'll stop us. We end up winning

843
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: the World Series that year, so it made everything good.

844
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: But Immediately after that, we're in La We went to

845
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: San Diego and people and teammates, I don't know it

846
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: was Chase, somebody, maybe Jada came in the clubhouse like, yo,

847
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: you gotta come outside, And I'm like, why is everybody

848
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 2: telling me I got to come outside? Big ass signs

849
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: front runners, front runners. I'm in San Diego, they announced

850
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: my name. I get booed by the Phillies fans of

851
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: San Diego. I got booed for two weeks, for two weeks,

852
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: and they would not let it go, and then it

853
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: became a rallying cry when we won. Then it was

854
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: like with the Philly front runners, you know what I'm saying,

855
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: It's like they kind of accepted, Like I wasn't calling

856
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: y'all front runners in a bad way. It's like that

857
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: was my honest truth. Like y'all love us on Monday,

858
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: y'all hate us by Monday night. That's just not what

859
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: it is. But in those moments, I also got to

860
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: understand the Phillies fandom that in any uniform, we are

861
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: borrowing the uniform. You know what I'm saying, Our name

862
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: is on the back for ten fifteen years, and then

863
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: they take it off, and if you're good enough, they

864
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: don't give you a number one. But that uniform belongs

865
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: to that city. We're borrowing that uniform. When we're here

866
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: recording this, they still cheering for that team. They still

867
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: spending their money, dying, booing, cheering, And I understood that.

868
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: So no, they're not front runners. They just show their

869
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: emotions in a different way. Just like in any family,

870
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: you're always gonna love your brother or sister. You're not

871
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: gonna like them all the time, you know what I'm saying.

872
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: And in those moments that they were booing us, they

873
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: didn't like us, but they loved us. And I tell

874
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: players that when you understand that you're borrowing this uniform

875
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: at once, at one day, you got to give it

876
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: back to the city, to those fans, and they keep

877
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: that thing forever and never for generation after generation, then

878
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: you will understand a thing. But uh, yeah, they come

879
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: on front runners. They they love me now, Uh they

880
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: love me. After away we won a World Series, but

881
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: it was about a two week stretch and then then

882
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: I wasn't hitting either. Come on, I came home when

883
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: I when I came home after that, you would have

884
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: thought I'd put on a Met uniform. When they announced

885
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: my naw, swear to God, I was like, damn, that's cold.

886
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: But I got to go out there and do something

887
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: like We'll got you three hits.

888
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: It was so just hitting got you out.

889
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: That was it was. You had to show up, which

890
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: is fine. Once psychological warfare. I talked trash right, so

891
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: it was on me to shut them up. And it

892
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: took a little while for that to happen that all

893
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden. I'm glad it started on the road

894
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: in San Diego because it was light there, so it

895
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: kind of gave me a preview what was going to

896
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: happen at home. But I also kind of thought, okay,

897
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: well in Philly, these were me, the real Philadelphians. They

898
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: gonna they gonna na they get it. They didn't give

899
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: a ship the hell out of me. I swear you

900
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 2: thought that I was in the Mets uniform. I swear

901
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: to God.

902
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: Sometime they make you appreciate it more when it all

903
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: work out though, or like I always want to play

904
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: in a place. That it was you got to play

905
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: better in big markets than I did in small market teams.

906
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: Just period.

907
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: When you show up and you show up some places

908
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, they come in to a movie to

909
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: watch the show.

910
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: The other places like, nah, they bleed this. Literally it

911
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: changes your entire experiences literally, And that's that was it

912
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: in Philly, like they to this, like Deance say to

913
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: this day, it's the same thing. But now I go there,

914
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm the greatest thing since Slice Brett. I ain't never

915
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: made an air, I ain't never struck out. Jim, you're

916
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: coming back. You're gonna coach, go talk to these guys.

917
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, y'all, I'm hey, I'm good, I'm done this.

918
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: There's nothing more I can do.

919
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: You take that on and people can appreciate it because

920
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: they know when you say something, you're really just telling

921
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: how you feel.

922
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: You know.

923
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 3: So when you came out in seven and you made

924
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: the statement heard around the road, right around the world

925
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 3: of a team who hadn't been winning nothing, the face

926
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: of the team comes out and said, we're the team

927
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: to beat this year.

928
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you go out and you win MVP.

929
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: That year and the team going did you sometimes you

930
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: saying that, does it change your work ethic going into

931
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: that season, because you know, you didn't put this out

932
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: in the universe.

933
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: So it's like I got to back up this talk

934
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: that I've been doing. That was my heart of season,

935
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Like the most physically dranted mental drant in season ever

936
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: because of what you said, because of the way the

937
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: media took it and ran with it. I was talking

938
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: to the twenty five guys or twenty four other guys

939
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: in the clubhouse, That's what I was talking to the

940
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: year prior six. You know, the Mets had a great team,

941
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: a great NLCS where they I think they lost to

942
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, I mean raw, first time the Braves had

943
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: won a division in fourteen fifteen years. So for me,

944
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm seeing all this happen on the outside, like we

945
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: played the Braids will we played the Mets. Well, we

946
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: just didn't have all the right parts. Maybe we didn't

947
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: believe enough. But it was like this bright light, like,

948
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: oh shit, so the Mets, I mean, so the Braves

949
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: don't own the division. Somebody can actually beat them. It

950
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: was just like an epiphany, like I would it's the

951
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: wild West, like somebody had to do it, but it

952
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: doesn't belong to anybody anymore. So we go do the

953
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: fan fest thing to ask the question. I'm looking at

954
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: the moves we made. I'm evaluating the way played the teams.

955
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid. I'm like, yeah, I think we're finally

956
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: team to beat. And it gave reasons. There are no

957
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: reasons in that article. This is cut off at Jimmy

958
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: says staff was old the reason you know so, and

959
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: then todds Lecky who was a beat writer, local guy,

960
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: and and and it also helped me win MVPs. It's

961
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: the East Coast bias doing that market. The first thing

962
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: he did was run up to New York. It takes

963
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: an hour from what I said to get to New York.

964
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: And that reignited I don't know if I'm sure there

965
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: was always a rivalry, but that definitely reignited the rivalry.

966
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: And from that point on it was every day having

967
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: to stand on that, which I didn't care about having

968
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: to stand on it. It was who's going to be

969
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: with me? I can't do it myself. And in the

970
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: beginning there were I mean, I know, Ryan text me

971
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: right away it's like yo, you know, everybody was kind

972
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: of like yo, Jimmy crazy, But ye know I'm crazy.

973
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: You know I'm talking trash, just like, Hey, I fuck

974
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: with you. Shane Victory, No same thing, you know, Shane.

975
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: He just out there. He just gonna go flying wine.

976
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: He don't care. He got that mentality, but it wasn't

977
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: received that way with everybody, which was strange to me

978
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: because we talked about winning all the time. We're talking

979
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 2: about what it takes to win all the time. Why

980
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: not put it out there? Going back to my belief,

981
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: if you want something to say it, if you believe

982
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: in something, really say it. And I wasn't just talking.

983
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: I believe. I'm true to my heart. It wasn't hope.

984
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't hope. I say, I hope now weird a

985
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: team to beat. I believe that with all my heart,

986
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: everything in me, and I said it very matter of

987
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: factly and truthfully. Now, there were times during the season

988
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: we up there getting our butts blasted, just as Man

989
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 2: losing five six games in a row, nine to one.

990
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: Where's the offense? And I look in the mirror after

991
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: the game, like, yo, maybe we just get a wild card,

992
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Maybe not the division. We're

993
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: looking that down seven eight games. Maybe I did say

994
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: too much. And it was almost like I could feel

995
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: the team picked me up in a sense. They can

996
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: feel that weight and they come out the next day.

997
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: Three four games in row, five, six games in the row.

998
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Now we're nine to ten games streak, and they picked

999
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: me up, and it's like all right, and you can

1000
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: see the beliefs start to happen. And it wasn't just me.

1001
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: I could see it go player or the player for

1002
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: guys that were not believing or kind of looked at

1003
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: him like, yo, this dude shouldn't have said that. You

1004
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: could see them start to believe. And it started the

1005
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: system which lasted, you know, for us for about a

1006
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: good five years with the World Series in between. But yeah,

1007
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: that was definitely a tough season on me and at

1008
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: the end, and you know, I was able to stand

1009
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 2: on business because I had a whole bunch of good

1010
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: teammates that made sure we got it done.

1011
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: The eight run, the NLDS lead off home run in

1012
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: Game four, NLCS lead off home running Game five, dominant run,

1013
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 1: who lost one game in each series eleven and three?

1014
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: Who was the unsung hero you think during that run?

1015
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: Obviously the stars that what they were supposed to do,

1016
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: but in basketball always say that, you know, you need

1017
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: your role players to play their role. Who are some

1018
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: of the unsung guys you think that.

1019
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: The first thing, I mean off off the bat he

1020
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: came up so many times with two outs running scoring

1021
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: position and it was a double off the wall. He's

1022
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: behind to play these control in the game. We're facing

1023
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: some of the best lineups and pitchers do have to execute.

1024
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: But one thing about pitching. If they don't trust that catcher,

1025
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be a good game. And Chooch doing

1026
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: his homework all year along building that trust. Where at

1027
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: early Choots young Chuch, he'd always looked at me and

1028
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: Chase because we could see things. He's asking us for

1029
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 2: pitch advice and we're giving them location, we're giving them pitch.

1030
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: Oh che look at us. Heems like I've heard so

1031
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: that's what. So when Chuots got that, he became an

1032
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: unsung hero on top of what he did offensively. I

1033
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: don't think we can understate what he did. He owned

1034
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: He absolutely owned the Dodgers. And we played the Dodgers

1035
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: during that run and it was like we got to

1036
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: beat l A that they're just as talented as we are.

1037
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: We have to get past to La. We get past La.

1038
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: We felt we could beat anybody, and Choots was that

1039
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: unsung hero. And yet guys that come in and you

1040
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: know that they'll get a pinch hit here there. Jeff

1041
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: Jenkins No. Eight was real big, but through that run,

1042
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: it was consistently choot offensively and taking control of that staff.

1043
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Big. Maybe back to the World Series the following year,

1044
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about monster. We're gonna talk about that ran

1045
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: into a monster. One of the best lineups. You know,

1046
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: you remember the lineup. You guys are coming off with

1047
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. But the hardest thing to do

1048
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: with sports is go back and back.

1049
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 2: It talks us.

1050
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: About that, you know, the season and then getting to

1051
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: the Yankees.

1052
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: The season it was, I mean, we felt like it

1053
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: was an okay season, but it was one of those

1054
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: things that once you've been there to the playoffs, you

1055
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: understand the season just for positioning, you know what I'm saying, like,

1056
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: just let's get in a position we're going to get

1057
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: to the playoffs because we know what that run is

1058
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: going to demand after that. So we go through the

1059
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: h I think maybe Cincinnati, No, I forget the first round, Milwalking,

1060
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: maybe the first round, Colorado somebody. Then we get to

1061
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: the Dodgers. Now we got to get through the Dodgers again.

1062
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: We do that once again we get through the Dodgers.

1063
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: We were the best team in baseball. That's how we felt.

1064
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: We knew the Yankees on the other side were good,

1065
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: but we weren't afraid of them. It was like, everybody's

1066
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: gonna get glorified in New York. That's they supposed to

1067
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: New York is New York. They supposed to feel that

1068
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: they're bigger and better. And Philly's always been like the

1069
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: understudy in that sense. Everybody New York to DC and

1070
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: Philly kind of gets lost in the shadows. But that

1071
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: damn Matt Suey. It was really the Matt Seuiey World Series.

1072
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't even the Yankees, in my opinion, was Matt

1073
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: sue You're talking about Cho's being an unslung hero. Every

1074
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: time Matt Sui came up, and Chase had an unbelievable

1075
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: world series, it was a chasing Matt suie World Series.

1076
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: But every time Matt sue came up, it was run

1077
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: on first, a second, a run on first and third,

1078
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: and we couldn't put him on. There's no open base,

1079
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: and he would foul off pitches, get a big hit, hit,

1080
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: a double hit, a home run, and I remember in

1081
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: game six when I think he hit a double off

1082
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: of Pedro. They're having one hell of an a battle.

1083
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: Pedro calls time out. He calls me chasing chus, you know,

1084
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: and everybody comes in. But he's looking like what you got, Jimbo.

1085
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I don't know. I'm watching what you

1086
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: pitch and I'm watching location. I'm watching him. He's not missing.

1087
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: If it's not there, he's fouling it off, or he's

1088
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: taking it any costs. Chase bam, bam, bam bam. What

1089
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: you got? And Chase like, we look at you's what

1090
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: you got? Was like, I don't know, nobody knows. I'm

1091
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: like all right, I'm like, well the ruling baseball. If

1092
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: he beat us, you got to beat this the other way.

1093
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, what you got? He like sinker away. I'm like, nah,

1094
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: you know this Japanese style playing them like that, that

1095
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 2: really fits into his swing. He's just going to flip

1096
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: something out there. I'm like, what pitch. Haven't you thrown him?

1097
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: It's like I haven't thrown in the back door slider.

1098
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: We all looked at each other. It was like that

1099
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: back door slider. He throws a back door slider, this

1100
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: food gets out there wapping off the off the fence

1101
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: for a double and that that one game six. Yeah, man,

1102
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: the whole team and it's just like so, you know,

1103
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: and winning back to back and stuff. We saw the

1104
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: Dodgers do it this year. I don't know why it

1105
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 2: becomes tougher, as hard as it is because the first

1106
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: one you have to get there once you once you've

1107
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: been there, you feel like you can do it again.

1108
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: But I don't know why it becomes tougher. The Yankees team,

1109
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: they had a hell of a team. So did we

1110
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: you know, and see we faced them the year prior.

1111
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: Now he's with the Yankees again. You can ask him,

1112
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't. He didn't know we were that

1113
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: good until it came out and slept him in the mouth.

1114
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: You know. Game one, it's like, oh shit, these dudes real, like, yeah,

1115
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: we've been real. You just been in a whole different

1116
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: league so you didn't get to see it, but you know,

1117
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: it was their turn. And the way I was able

1118
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: to deal with it was like, at least my homeboy

1119
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: got a ring, you know what I'm saying, Like I

1120
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: didn't want Jeter to get another one. I want to

1121
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: went on. You know what I'm saying, I don't want

1122
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: It's like, you know how many people just say they

1123
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: beat Gea don Trell he front of Bay, they beat

1124
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: him a O three. Treil got that on me. We

1125
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: both got a ring, but he got his in New York.

1126
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And I can't say that,

1127
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: but the year prior, when se was with Milwaukee, we

1128
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: beat him in Game six at home. The big ran

1129
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: Slanta Shane hit off of them, and the next year

1130
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: he got a ring. And it's like, damn. But when

1131
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: I look back, everybody I know that came up and

1132
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: my generation, Trail got one, I got one, and See

1133
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: got one. It's been out and I was like, okay

1134
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: that for that reason, that's heavy representation. Yeah, that's that's dope.

1135
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: Man.

1136
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: And we've had the chance to really go through the

1137
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: history of the Phillies and the amount of success. But lastly,

1138
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: I want to hit on just you personally as far

1139
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: as when I think about what you were able to

1140
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: do in Philly. You're talking about a team with years

1141
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: and hundred years of history, hundred plus years of history.

1142
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: Talk about the greatest to ever do it. I talked

1143
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 3: to you about Bull being the greatest shortstop at the time,

1144
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: and you see what you were able to do. You

1145
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: the most hits of any player that ever put.

1146
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: That jersey on.

1147
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got more histon Smith like watching you get

1148
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: that hit and watch my Smith come out and pass

1149
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: the bat over to you and hold the hand up

1150
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: like the.

1151
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: Greatest to do it.

1152
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: As you're going through you're in your fourth year Hall

1153
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: of Fame candidacy, we were just together watching Andrew Jones

1154
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: go through this exact same process and understanding it took

1155
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: nine to ten years for it to all come through

1156
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: for them to what we celebrated with him out in

1157
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 3: Dominican Republic. As you're going through this process, how do

1158
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: you reflect on your career?

1159
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: How has this process been for you?

1160
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: And what are you hoping that people seeing your career

1161
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: that hasn't been recognized up to this point.

1162
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: I worked backwards because I was with Andrew the day

1163
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: that he was in. We had a one on one match,

1164
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: which I mean, think about its ironic. You know he

1165
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: had to wait what this is, ninth year, was ninth

1166
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: of last year, whatever it was, to get elected in

1167
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. And we're talking about that, and you know,

1168
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: from the first hole, just asking about his experience, and

1169
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: we have the same reflection, like my numbers aren't going

1170
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: to change. There's nothing like can do. But the way

1171
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: that they're looking at players and evaluating players are starting

1172
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: to change. And for years, and I think it always be.

1173
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: You're always compared to the greatest of all times. You know,

1174
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle. These are guys they

1175
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: compare you to to get in to Hall of Fame,

1176
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 2: and this is why they're in, and this is why

1177
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: you you're not in. But the game has changed so

1178
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: much since the time they've played. Equipment has changed, field

1179
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: has changed, players have gotten bigger, faster, stronger. And it's

1180
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: hard to say that because we thought we're the biggest, fast, strongest,

1181
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: and you see these kids now, it's like, Bro, I

1182
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 2: cann't plan this game today. It's just different. But sitting

1183
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: there speaking with Andrew and we're just talking about what

1184
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: he did, and I remember playing against him, like, Bro,

1185
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: he changed my bat every time we played the bread

1186
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him like, there's really nowhere for me

1187
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: to hit the ball in the outfield, you know, if

1188
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: it goes in the air. It felt like it was caught.

1189
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: He changed the game in a d defensive way, and

1190
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: he hit home runs. What do you want from your

1191
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: center field? He's not going to allow runs, and he's

1192
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: going to throw runners out, and he's going to hit

1193
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: home runs. Most importantly, when you're up there as a

1194
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: player and you look out there and he's changing the

1195
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 2: way you thinking about hitting. He's one. I mean, I'm like, bro,

1196
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to hit the ball on the ground

1197
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: because I know they gonna catch. If I hit the

1198
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: ball in the air, it's caught. What do I do

1199
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: about that? And to see him go in as we

1200
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: all did, that was the first time I think I

1201
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 2: listened to what the criteria is of an Hall of Famer.

1202
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: They come out, they gave a speech and they you know,

1203
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: this is the criteria to be a Hall of Famer.

1204
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: And that was the first time I think I kind

1205
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: of got upset. It's like, well, what didn't I do?

1206
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: What didn't I do? I'm listening to it. And at

1207
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: my career, you had Jeter, he was number one, and

1208
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: after him it was me. Now there may be a

1209
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: freaking landscape between me and him, but I was second.

1210
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: And we're talking about an organization that's been around for

1211
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: a long time having the most hits, and I appreciate

1212
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: Mike Schmid's grace, you know, coming out handing me to bat,

1213
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: and he came up to me as like, I'm glad

1214
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: that you're chasing this record because it's making people recognize

1215
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: me again for being more than just a home run

1216
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: hitter that I actually got hits too, and that was

1217
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: a record that's stiff for a long time. So it's

1218
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, coming from greats and at my position, I

1219
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: was out there with the best as the game was changing,

1220
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: going from a defensive position to an offensive position and

1221
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: being able to be in that flow. And there were

1222
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 2: great shortstops around that time, setting records, accomplishing things, having

1223
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty twenty twenty seasons something that hasn't been done.

1224
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: I was not a guy that was going to sit

1225
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: there and walk, which is the guy they wanted me

1226
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: to be, which helps my which hurts my ops. But

1227
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: I was hitting doubles in home runs. I was giving

1228
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: up something against something I could have walked and maybe

1229
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: still more bases, but then I probably would have hit

1230
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: less home runs and doubles in triples. So my overall

1231
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: game was more than one dimension, and I think a

1232
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: lot of times they have trouble evaluating that. You know,

1233
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: you can't knock me for offense because I had good offense.

1234
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: I can hit for some power. I'm still in basis

1235
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm one of the most reliable defensive shortstops that played.

1236
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, so where do I fall? They want

1237
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: to say, well, you put up numbers because you played

1238
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: a long time. Isn't that part of it crazy? You

1239
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, you got to play a while

1240
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: penalized for doing what he supposed to do exactly exactly.

1241
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: So I hear it all and hearing that, you know,

1242
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: knowing what's knowing the things I've heard over the past,

1243
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: and then listening to the induction ceremony, happy for Drew.

1244
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: But for that first five minutes of listening to the criteria,

1245
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: that's first some I was like, damn, like what what

1246
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: does it take? Because I don't there's nothing more I

1247
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: can do it, And it kind of, you know, made

1248
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: me angry for the first time the year prior I

1249
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: was happy for see, I was in tears, like, damn,

1250
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: a little home hemaide, you know what I'm saying, Like

1251
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: I know him somebody really know, like he really did it,

1252
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: and knowing that that's where I would like to be

1253
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: one day. And then you know it said the following year,

1254
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: being there with Drew talking to him, having a good

1255
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: day and seeing him like he did it. But damn,

1256
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: what does it take for me to do it? Because

1257
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody that hasn't been elected, that had a

1258
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: hell of a career has had that frustration like, well,

1259
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't know's there's nothing I could do. And then

1260
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: one person I look at is little Whitaker and how

1261
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: he's not in the Hall of Fame. I mean, every

1262
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: every single statistical evaluation of him makes some Hall of Famer,

1263
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: but he's not there.

1264
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: Put it out there. Yeah, quick hitters first seem to

1265
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: come to mind. Let us know, favorite ballpark, the Bank.

1266
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: Worst ballpark, Old Pittsburgh, the New One fly Though, smartest

1267
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: pitch you ever faced, Greg.

1268
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: Maddocks, the nastiest single pitch, the nastiest single pitch, change

1269
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 2: up Pedro, change up, Pedro's change up, funniest teammate. John

1270
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Speaker 2: Mayberry Jr.

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Speaker 3: This is my favorite question of that all the smoke

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Speaker 3: run bench, Claren Brawl.

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Speaker 2: Three people you want on your side?

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Speaker 1: You could either play with him or play against him.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go Strawberry straw. Kevin Mitchell and

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Speaker 2: Gary Sheffield hitters both sides.

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Speaker 3: The video Gary Siffield charging them mound from the first

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Speaker 3: first base.

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Speaker 2: Hey remember that against Faust Carmona.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, clubhouse pay playlist with y'all bumping. Oh well then

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Speaker 1: depending on how many black.

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Speaker 2: No, actually the speakers right next to me. But then

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Speaker 2: I go through our run. It was swagger like us

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Speaker 2: was when we first came out. I think that was

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Speaker 2: our motto. We had to come out with that. And

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Speaker 2: then we was playing paper planes, you know, for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 2: You got a clubouse full of them. Uh, and we

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Speaker 2: had Jez going on there. We had Rick Ross hustling.

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Speaker 2: It was just you know, it was just just hit

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Speaker 2: us back hitters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One guest you would like to see on all

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Speaker 1: the smoke.

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Speaker 2: Well if he was still alive, because there's somebody somebody

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Speaker 2: has to be living to that.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you got to say. And

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, man, I got a Ricky story too.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying Ricky, it would be a great guess. But

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Speaker 2: in current players, I would like y'all to get judge

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Speaker 2: on there. Dope here the captain.

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Speaker 1: He said that on the KD not too long ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'd be dope.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that, but you know you got to

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Speaker 2: see why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, let's do it man. We appreciate your time, bro. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: have Hall of Famous on the way. Man. Shit, that's

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Speaker 1: a wrap all the smoke baseball with the Great Jimmy Rolins.

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Speaker 1: See y'all next week.