1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: On this episode of the News World on June twenty fourth, 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Jihna Caldwell's life was forever changed when 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: he lost his eighteen year old brother, Christian, an innocent bystander, 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: to senseless gun violence on the streets of his hometown 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: of Chicago. Christian was a young man with a bright 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: and promising future, and one of over one hundred and 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: fifty people murdered across the United States on that day alone. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Think of it. In his new book, The Day My 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Brother Was Murdered, My Journey through America's Violent Crime Crisis, 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: Gianna describes his deeply personal experience with urban violence. He 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: dives deep into the heart of America's big cities, telling 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: the stories of eight other murders that occurred on the 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: same night his brother died, shedding light on the tangible 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: human tragedy while providing readers with valuable lessons, insights, and 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: a roadmap for creating safer communities. To talk about his 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: new book, I'm really pleased to welcome my guests and 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: good friend, Gianno Caldwell. He has a political analyst for 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Fox News Channel, the founder of Caldwell Institute, a bipartisan 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: firm in Washington, d C. Providing strategic advice and counseling. Jhona, 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Welcome and thank you for joining me on News World. 21 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: It's an honor to be with you. 22 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: Speaker, as always, describe your brother Christian, what kind of 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: person was he? 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: Well, my brother Christian, he was eighteen years old. He 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: was innocent when he was murdered. This is a kid, 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: it's sixteen years old, begging me to take him on 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: a college tour because he wanted to focus on what 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: was next. So we went to UCLA or we did 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: a tour there, and you know, we talked with other 30 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: schools as well. But this is somebody who was focusing 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: on his future. This was somebody who enjoyed sports, friends, 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: he joked a lot, just an overall good kid. Is 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: such a tragedy of what happened, but I will hold 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: with me, dear, the memories that we had, and we 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: had many of them. 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: How did you hear that he'd been killed? 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: Our sister calls me on the morning of June twenty 38 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: fourth and she says that Christian has been killed, and 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: I said, well, how do you know that? What are 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: you talking about? Where did this happen? Where's his information 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: coming from? And she said someone called her and told her, 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: and then we sent someone to the scene and they 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: talked to the police and said he had been sent 44 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: to a hospital. So we had a little bit of 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: hope that he was still living at that point, but 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: when we got to the hospital and my family, they 47 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't give them any information. So I ended up reaching 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: out to some elected officials I knew in the area 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: who made some calls and they confirmed that he was 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: at the hospital, and they also confirmed the ed passed away. 51 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: And what did the police tell you about the killing himself? 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: Well, the police told me that he was not the target. 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: There was an individual and this is one of the 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: theories of the case. The police has giving me the 55 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: same theory, and I've talked to someone else who told 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: me about this when I initially heard apparently what happened 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: was there was a fight between two guys that took 58 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: place six months prior and one of the guys got 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: beat up really badly and it was on tape. Somebody 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: recorded it and they put it on social media. So 61 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: the guy who got beat up really badly wanted to 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: kill the guy who put it on social media, so 63 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: six months prior they tried to kill him. This guy 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: runs away to California, comes back thinking the coast is clear, 65 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: and they saw him out. My brother happened to be 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: standing next to him, along with some other folks, and 67 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: they shot everyone. But my brother was the only one 68 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: who happened to die that day. 69 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: I almost hate to ask this, what was your feeling, 70 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: What was your reaction personally when you learned all this? 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, when my sister and I just 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: didn't believe it. I couldn't believe. He come from a 73 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: very faith based family. We believe in the power of prayer, 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 2: and it's something that I grew up with. So I'm 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: saying to myself, there's no way that my brother could 76 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: be dead. Maybe he's injured and he'll recover. I told 77 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: my sister, let's pray right now. And there's a scripture 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: that says he shall live and not die and declare 79 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: the works of the Lord. And you know, that's what 80 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: we did. But it was too Lady was already gone. 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: As I understand it. I mean, he's standing there and 82 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: a black ass uf pulls up. Several people get out 83 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: with guns and just start faring into the crowd. 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: That's correct, and the individual that they wanted, they shot 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: him a bunch of times. He still lived. My brother 86 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: was shot maybe once or twice, and then there was 87 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: a young lady that was shot. And this individual that 88 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: they wanted is just honestly miraculous that he survived. He 89 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: had to have multiple surgeries that day, and then weeks 90 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: after he had to have multiple surgeries. But my brother 91 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: is it's just hard to fathom. It's been three years 92 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: since it's happened, nude three years, and it's still hard 93 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: to think about. The Only thing that really gives me 94 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 2: a sense of purpose in his murder is me having 95 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: started at the Caldwell Institute for Public Safety, which our 96 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: focus has been George Source funded and back district attorneys 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: across the country, and now we've expanded out to gubernatorial races, 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: mayoral races, because I know for a fact that the 99 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: reason that my brother was murdered and people across the 100 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: country you mentioned on that day, is because of soft 101 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: on crime policies in many of these large cities. We've 102 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: seen it time and time again. Soft on crime isn't 103 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: just a policy as an ideology in which the criminal 104 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: knows that there's not going to be any punishment for 105 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: what they do. We see it in New York City, 106 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: We've seen it in Chicago. We've seen it in Los 107 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: Angeles where we got involved in the George gascon race. There. 108 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: Supported Nathan Hackman, who's now the district attorney, did advise 109 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff to ensure that Nathan Hogman would 110 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: win that election. Because it's one district attorney at the time. 111 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: We got to pull him down, and we got to 112 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: bring those local municipalities back into good conscious, good governance 113 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: and law and order. 114 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: Johanno, one of the things you do is you talk 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: about eight other murders who to day your brother was killed. 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Can you describe briefly those aid? 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I talk about people like James, who's my first chapter, 118 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: Army veteran who had ETSD. Couldn't sleep at night, so 119 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: you would often go to a park to a walk 120 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: in a park at two am. On one particular night, 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: June twenty fourth, that day, he goes to the park 122 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: as a bunch of kids out there, teenagers, some even 123 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: younger than teenage, and he says, hey, what are you 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: kids doing out here this late? You should go home. 125 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: It's two a m. They end up killing him with 126 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: a traffic home. Terrible set of circumstances. I talk about 127 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: someone named Catherine, who was a mother, grandmother, sixty five 128 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: years old, chemical engineer, white woman out of Texas, who 129 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: was going home from work when gunfire broke out on 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: the freeway. It was a drug deal that went bad. 131 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: The guy who was selling the drugs was trying to 132 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: rip off the guy that was buying them. They were 133 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: trying to rip each other off. They jump in the cars, 134 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: they run out on a highway. She's coming home and 135 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: they end up killing her baby. Cecilia six months old, 136 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: who was murdered miles away from my brother on the 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: same day, June twenty fourth. Of course, this baby, six 138 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: months old was murdered next to her baby brother in 139 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: a car seat in Chicago. You know, we often talked 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: about being at the wrong place, wrong time in some 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: of these cities, but honestly, thinking about Chicago, you can 142 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: be in your bed and a bullet comes through your window. 143 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: It's no safety and security there. 144 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: I think for people to understand the scale of what 145 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: you are responding to, beyond the immediate personal anguish of 146 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: your brother. In twenty twenty two, Chicago alone had six 147 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty homicides and twenty six hundred shootings. It 148 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: seems to me you really got drawn into dealing with 149 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and exposing the scale of the problem on a nationwide basis. 150 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for that. These consequences of policymaking in these 151 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: freckless politicians who like Brandon Johnson in the City of Chicago, 152 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: who supports many of these criminal activities, and by doing so, 153 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: saying things like, don't demonize these kids. Well, if these 154 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: are the kids they're shooting people, then why wouldn't you 155 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: demonize them. You know, at some point they're not children. 156 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: They're acting as adults. They're murdering people, and this is 157 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: the reality that we live in. If they're fourteen or ten, 158 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: they should go to jail if you're going to pick 159 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: up a gun and kill someone. But we have to 160 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: focus on tougher centizent, punishing those who commit these crimes, 161 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: ensure the assault on crime policies are not a logo 162 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: on the books. We need to talk about fathers at 163 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: a home because a lot of this stuff can be 164 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: stopped if we focused on the family structure. That means 165 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: in what I really appreciate about you, Speaker, because you've 166 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: done this with Bill Clinton, when you put together the 167 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: ninety six welfare reformat, making people go to work or 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: get educated. Those are extraordinarily valuable components and tools that 169 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: bring a person to the point where they can have 170 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: the independence that do things on their own. It gives 171 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: you confidence, it gives you a sense of worth, a 172 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: sense of pride, and that's largely missing in many of 173 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: these areas. 174 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: I was really surprised as you did your research because 175 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: I've always thought of murder as the one thing we 176 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: really focus on clearing. Your work indicated that only fifty 177 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: nine percent of the homicides in twenty twenty one, only 178 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: fifty nine percent were solved. That forty one percent, almost 179 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: half of all homicides go unsolved, which has to make 180 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: the criminals more confident that they can do it and 181 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: get away with. 182 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: It, exactly right, and especially in places like Chicago. And 183 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: when you look at these numbers even deeper, and when 184 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: they break them down by race even less way, less 185 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: of the African American numbers are actually solved. And that's 186 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 2: in part because of this no snitching policy that's been 187 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: in place for many, many years. In the African American community, 188 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: where you don't talk to the police and inform them 189 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: on a crime that took place. So what does that do? 190 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: That leads to many cases being unsolved, unresolved, That leads 191 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: to many families never seeing justice for their own loved 192 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: ones because no one's willing to talk. And that's another 193 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: thing that I talk about in this book The Day 194 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: my Brother was murdered. My journey through America's violent crime 195 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: crisis is we must work with the police as a community. 196 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 2: For many African Americans, that is necessitous because at the 197 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: end of the day, it used to be and where 198 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: I was growing up, if you told, then something may 199 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: happen to your family. But if the gang found out 200 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: who did crime, they would turn the person into the 201 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: police or they would handle let themselves. Now, if you tell, 202 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 2: you don't tell, you're in the same set of circumstances, 203 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: something could happen to your family. So I'd rather be 204 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: a person who's willing to work with the police and 205 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: get their protection and their guidance and to solve the 206 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: crime than to allow there to be a set of 207 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: circumstances where this person who killed your family member goes 208 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: out and kills several others. And that's what happens in 209 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: many of these areas is the shooter, one particular person 210 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: is committing a lot of these farms. We saw that 211 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: in New York. I remember when the New York Post 212 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: came out with a story on a lot of the 213 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: crime that was being committed was by like two or 214 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: three hundred people in the city. The majority of the 215 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: crime that was insane. But that ends up being the 216 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: reality in many cases that you have people who do 217 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: it over and over again because they've gotten away with it. 218 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: How much of the difficulty in some neighborhoods comes because 219 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: people are just frightened that if they do testify, that 220 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: they and their family will then be targeted by the 221 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: very same forces of violence. 222 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: I think that does play a part, and that's why 223 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: I think is in some of these jurisdictions. We know 224 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: that the Democrats went out and took us wing to 225 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: defund the police, etc. When the police really need more 226 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: funding than many of these locations. But I also think 227 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: they need funding for witness protection. That's important. That's an 228 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: area in which we don't often talk about and why 229 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: people like Mayor Er Goddams was talking about raising taxes 230 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: for migrants to take care of them. He should be 231 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: ensuring that the tax base he already has is being 232 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: rightly spent on the folks who are Americans and who 233 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: need to help protection from the police. They need to 234 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: make sure that these budgets are where they should be 235 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: and they treat the police fairly, because these are the 236 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: people we rely on for our safety and security. 237 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: One of the things you reported is that the Department 238 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: of Justice indicated there had been a fifty five percent 239 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: increase in violent crime over four years, with an amazing 240 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: seventy five percent spike in twenty twenty two. And then 241 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: you went on the US Government of Justice in September 242 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: of twenty four reported and overall fifty five percent increase 243 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: and instances of reported rape, robbery, and aggravated assault, And 244 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the estimate was that only forty percent of violent crimes 245 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: are reported to the police. Why would people not report 246 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: a violent crime? 247 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, in some cases, I know, in some cases people 248 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: think is not going to matter. As an example, in Chicago, 249 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: they need two thousand new police detectives to handle the 250 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: current murder workload. So those murders that are happening in 251 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: the city, they need to be able to solve them. 252 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: They don't have enough police for that, and in some 253 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 2: cases they may not come, and that's the unfortunate reality. 254 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: Police now in some cases they don't want to be demonized. 255 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: They don't want to make a quick decision to save 256 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: a life that may cost them their job, cost them 257 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 2: their reputation. That's an issue in and of itself. We 258 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: have a nation where people have been unfortunately scarred. They've 259 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: seen what happened in twenty twenty with George Floyd, and 260 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: that was an issue. Police departments are overwhelmed and we 261 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: continue to see that upticking crime in twenty twenty two, 262 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: which is rather interesting in a way because you know, 263 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: we had already surpassed the ryots and all those different things, 264 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: But then that was a policy issue. As an example, 265 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: in Illinois, there's something called the Safety Act Safe t Act, 266 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: and what it does is it ins cash bail in 267 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: the state of Illinois. But there's other policies that it 268 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: impacts even more directly. As an example, they have these 269 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: ankle monitor braces that you've seen people wear. They're on 270 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,359 Speaker 2: house arrests. That's what is usually for well in Illinois, 271 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: they sometimes put murderers on house arrests as they await trial. Well, 272 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: with the Safety Act, now you can go out and 273 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: murder the person who may be the witness of the 274 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: crime because the police are not allowed to come to 275 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: your house for seventy two hours. So it used to be, 276 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: you know, the monitor goes off, the police call are 277 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: you home, and then they may stop by to verify 278 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: that you are home. In this case, seventy two hours, 279 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: you got a full runway to go do whatever you want. 280 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: Police cannot respond, and then in seventy two hours they 281 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: can finally respond, So you've already done all the dirty 282 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: work at that point. 283 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: Why do they have this seventy two hour rule? 284 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: That's a really good question, Newton. I'm gonna tell you 285 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: I went out for Fox to Chicago because when you 286 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: look at the list of things this covers, threddning a 287 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: public official. That's something that's been decriminalized in a way. 288 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: Many of the things that were in that law. People 289 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: did not believe it. You know, I say, hey, you know, 290 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: what do you think of the new Safety Actor that 291 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: Democrats are proposing. You tell them, you go down the list. 292 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: They say, there's no way that this can be true. 293 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely no way people who vote for Democrats, and our 294 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: Democrats said there's absolutely no way. And then people found 295 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: out that it was absolutely true, it was accurate, and 296 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: they passed it. They ended up passing it. JB. Prisker 297 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: put money behind it, the billionaire governor of Illinois, who's 298 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: so far left now he's a progressive, is what it 299 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: seems to me. And how did it pass? I mean, 300 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: you got an electorate is still voting for these kind 301 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: of people. That's how it passed. 302 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing to me. It's almost as though 303 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: the modern left is pro criminal that the adopt a 304 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: series of procedures and a series of rules, all of 305 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: which are to the advantage of the criminal and to 306 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: the disadvantage of the victim or the innocent citizen. You 307 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: cite Chicago, which is your hometown, you get the same 308 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: pattern in New York or in California. In Philadelphia, as 309 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: you know and have written about, the district Attorney Larry 310 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Krasner is just insanely soft on crime. And a lot 311 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: of these folks were supported by George Soros, who in 312 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: one election alone put up a million dollars to help 313 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: Krasner win. And yet Krasner's clearly openly in favor of 314 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the criminals and against the police and against the victims. 315 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you explain all that. 316 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: I'll tell you it's not that they seem that they're 317 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 2: pro criminal. They are pro criminal. That's the reality of it. 318 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: They have been pro criminal for a long time. And 319 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 2: you know, they went under the guys of criminal justice reform. 320 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: It was a noble, noble effort writing some wrongs, but 321 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: what it ended up becoming is justice for the criminal. 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: And that's where we are as a country right now. 323 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: Because people they saw a moment with George Floyd and 324 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: they thought it was a welcome Matt to say, listen, 325 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: we're going to be in favor of the criminal because 326 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: we think that our voters would like it. In some 327 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: of these major cities, they did like it until they didn't. 328 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: You think about California. Remember just last year there was 329 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: the repeal of Prop forty seven. Now, Gavin Newsom and 330 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: for people who don't know about this proposition in twenty fourteen, 331 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: it was a ballid initiative which lowered the penalties for 332 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: crime criminal activity, So you get less time for this, 333 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: less time for that. Do you criminalize this or that? 334 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: Et cetera. So folks know that crime exploded in California 335 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: after George Floyd, especially in places like Los Angeles, and 336 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: they wanted something done about it, and they thought their 337 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: proposition was one in which wasn't helpful. For that time. 338 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom was against repealing it. He said, Oh, this 339 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: is going to hurt our black communities. What how dare 340 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: you even say something like that Black communities are being 341 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: hurt because of crime, so you need to put those 342 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: folks in jail one percent. So that's the Martyn left today. 343 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: They don't want to repeal it. The voters did, Thank 344 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: god that they did, because it's such a shame that 345 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: they allowed it to go on for as long as 346 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: it did. 347 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you point out, for example that in Chicago alone, 348 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: the progressive prosecutor Kim Fox dropped more than twenty five 349 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: foul and phoning cases. 350 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, including rape and murder. 351 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean just basically said that these folks you're free, Yeah, 352 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: sending a signal course to other people that they can 353 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: get away with rape and murder. 354 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 355 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: You had mentioned that during Gascon's term in San Francisco, 356 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: property crime increased by forty nine percent and sixty percent 357 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: of the arrest made by the San Francisco Police Department 358 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: were just dropped by Gascon in his office as if 359 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: they'd never happened. I mean, how can people put up 360 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: with them? 361 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, George Gascone is I think a really good example 362 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 2: that you just referenced because he helped author that proposition 363 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: was lowered the penalties statewide, So that was a big 364 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: part of his formula. And he's also someone the George 365 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: Soros backed supported for not only some of the roles 366 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: that he did in San Francisco, but he also ran 367 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: for District attorney in Los Angeles County. So he's a 368 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: really interesting fellow. And thank god he's no longer in office. 369 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you for a lot of the people 370 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: they seen, And you know, I'm African American. I think 371 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: many people know that about now. But there has been 372 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: some wrongs in the African American community for sure. But 373 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: you don't right them by saying we're going to give 374 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: criminals a free pass because many of these criminals happen 375 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: to be black. If I'm just going to be plain 376 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: about it, that's been the case. Many of the victims 377 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: happen to be black. The perpetrators oftentimes happen to be 378 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: black as well. They do this thing to pander to 379 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: African Americans and some Hispanic and then some liberal I guess, 380 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: well meaning whites who think that black folks the only 381 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: way to help them is allow criminals to get off 382 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 2: the hook, which is asinine. To be clear, that's part 383 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: of the reason that they've done it. But I think 384 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: people are in some cases waking up to this. I 385 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't say the same for some of the good folks 386 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: in New York who willing to put a socialist in 387 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: offices mayor. I don't understand how something like that happens, 388 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 2: but I guess if you're in pain and you're suffering 389 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: under the weight of the financial burden of being a 390 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: New York or maybe you're willing to do whatever you 391 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: can try to take some of that burden and pressure 392 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: off of you. Maybe that was a part of the 393 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: calculus for some of those voters, even though it was 394 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: a very low turnout race, this idea that you can 395 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: cure all ills in the black community if you just 396 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: let criminals off the hook, and it's just totally wrong. 397 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: You make a point good. You can't really explain the 398 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: rise of the progressive, pro criminal, anti victim district attorneys. 399 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: Without looking at George Soros's role, Were you surprised by 400 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: the scale and scope of what Soros has done? 401 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna tell you, I'm very surprised. 402 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: And honestly, what he did was it was an evil 403 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: genius idea. Instead of going nationally and putting all his 404 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: money in nationally, he go locality, local, put in He 405 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: funded over seventy five soft one crime prosecutors candidates that 406 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: ran for office, many of them got in, and he 407 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: only put in a little money to do it. And 408 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: then it created a trend across the country. One city 409 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: did it, the other one adapted, and that's how they 410 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: played it. And then I find out through the work 411 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: of Elon Musk Indulged how much his nonprofits have been 412 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: receiving in federal funding. So now the question becomes, you know, 413 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: obviously you can't use federal money for politics per se, 414 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: but many of them do. Like we see these protests 415 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: et cetera that they hire, and I talk about that 416 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: in the book Today My Brother was Murdered, My Journey 417 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: through America's Violent Crime Crisis. Many of these protesters are 418 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: bought and paid for it through sores, and he uses 419 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: money through his charities to get them in these particular places, 420 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: like these ice protests they did in Los Angeles, these 421 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: riots and the looting that they did. Much of this 422 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: stuff is paid for by your sores. But we were 423 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: really surprised to find out that they were receiving all 424 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: this money from my very own federal government through USAID. 425 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: Now that was the real shocker, I think for a 426 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: lot of people. So he may not even be using 427 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: it all money to do a lot of this stuff. 428 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: He's using our money, which is the biggest lap in 429 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: the face for many Americans. 430 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: So in that sense, what President Trump has done in 431 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: cutting off the flow of that money to basically anti 432 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: victim pro criminal das is a significant step in the 433 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: right direction. 434 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: And there's others too. You got people like Stacy Abrams. 435 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: What was it, a billion dollars that her charity was 436 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: going to receive and it was over for a month. 437 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: It's impossible for me to believe that she could possibly 438 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: spend that kind of money intelligently. Well, I was stunned. 439 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: It was kind of like Christmas, let me give you 440 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: a gigantic gift. Good luck. Yes, on the shift gears 441 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: because I think one of the most provided how could 442 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: Eve comments in your book you say the greatest violent 443 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: threat to Black Americans is other Black Americans. I mean 444 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: that's a very provocative point. What do you mean by that? 445 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: Well, just like I mentioned the numbers in terms of 446 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: us dying at the hands of each other one hundred percent. 447 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: I've been a conservative for two decades, well over twenty years. 448 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: I think I might be coming up on twenty five 449 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: years and now at this point. And the people who 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: really were opposed to me being a conservative, we're black people. 451 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: People who disparaged me for being a conservative, more likely 452 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: than not African Americans and folks when it comes to 453 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: the work that I'm trying to do, once they find 454 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: out that there's a Republican association to it, that's when 455 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: a demonize or attempt to demonize our work when we're 456 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: just simply trying to save lives. We're trying to turn 457 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 2: the country around, put it back on track, and the 458 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: law and order posture. We want to make sure that 459 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: there's safety and security for everyone. But more than likely 460 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: they're a post to it. And the reality is many 461 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: on the left, whether they be white, black, or indifferent. 462 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: It can be something that's the greatest thing you ever 463 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: the cure for cancer. They find out Trump is a 464 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: part of it, then all of a sudden they're against it. 465 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: And it's reprehensible at this point that we cannot just 466 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: be a free thinking society at people, no matter what 467 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: color you are. People make their own decisions. So long 468 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 2: as doesn't impact me in a negative way, it's fine. 469 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: But certainly a lot of us are dying at the 470 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: hands of each other, and that has become, I think 471 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: a sticking point in many of these communities, and that's 472 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: why many of us just leave these communities. 473 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: You make a very important point. The poverty by itself 474 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: doesn't explain the violence, but that there are much deeper 475 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: breakdowns in family, education, and opportunity. What can be done 476 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: to break that cycle? 477 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: I think we need to get back to family and 478 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: the homes is where I think a society that has 479 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 2: been largely lost. I think that's part of the reason 480 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump's win was so decisive, because people wanted 481 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: to go back to some form of normalcy and they 482 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: thought he was the only same person to run. You know, 483 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: between him and Kamala Harris, this was the only same 484 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: person that you can vote for at that particular time. 485 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: But we got to get back to the core root 486 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: of family and education nude. I think that's the most 487 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: important thing. We got to get back to that. We 488 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: got to get back to the value of hard work. 489 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: That's why I support work requirements on welfare, and I 490 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: appreciate what it appears to be. Congress has that same 491 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: mentality and mindset. And you know, hopefully we'll see that 492 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: in a big, beautiful bill. That is the hope. But 493 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: if we can get back to our roots a family. 494 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: Faith is also important, extremely important. I interview a guy 495 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: in a book who runs a network or charter schools, 496 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: and these are underprivileged students that he has in his 497 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: particular schools, and he says that it doesn't matter what 498 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: the religion is, whatever it is. You can be Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, 499 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. He said, if a kid 500 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: has some sense of faith in their life. I believe 501 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: he said, it was like a seventy five percent chance 502 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: that that kid was going to do well in life 503 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: if he had that core of faith in his life. 504 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: And I believe that because that's why I grew up. 505 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: I grew up with that. I grew up knowing the 506 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: difference between right and wrong, knowing that God is here 507 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: to protect us and guide us and lead us the 508 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: Ten Commandments, which I think the governor Abbot of Texas 509 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: now is putting it him in every classroom now has 510 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: to display the Ten Commandments. If we can get back 511 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: to those foundational principles, I think we'll be a society 512 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: that can get back on track for sure. 513 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: One of the steps that you've taken, you've been very 514 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: outspoken against the defund the police movement. What do you 515 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: think has been the real world impact of that movement. 516 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: I think a lot of cities recognize right away that 517 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: it was a disastrous decision to defund the police in 518 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: any capacity, and many of them decided to put the 519 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: funding prop the funding back up, et cetera. But it 520 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: was very problem and it impacted our officers in a 521 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: very deep way. I mean, our officers begin to believe 522 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: that as a society, we really actually don't care about 523 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: the police. And some of these cases we see police 524 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: officers get attacked. I think it was in Times Square 525 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: a migrant attacked one or two police officers and he 526 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: was out of jail the next day or a couple 527 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: of days later. These policies, the rhetoric from elected officials 528 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: do have consequences. The unfortunate reality is the morale in 529 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: many of these local municipalities, these local police districts has 530 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: gone way down, retirements have gone way up, and people 531 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: just don't want to deal with it anymore. And that's 532 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: not okay for us as a society to have our 533 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: officers feeling like that, because we depend on them, we 534 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: need them. 535 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: I really think that your book is very impressive and 536 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: the range of things you cover, the need for a 537 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: serious continuing prison policy initiative. Once only yos of prison. 538 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Once we would like to make sure when they come 539 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: out that they're prepared to re enter society and not 540 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: go back to prison. Talk for here about that whole 541 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: notion of how do we reduce what they call recidivism, 542 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: which is simply people getting out of being sent back 543 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: to prison. 544 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the recidivism rate is extraordinarily high. I know that 545 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: it was at one time seventy five percent. After five years, 546 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: people recidivising and going back into prison. Because oftentimes prisons 547 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: become a place where people get more educated on how 548 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: to commit more crime. Except for an example that I 549 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: utilize in the book doctor Bill Winston, who's a pastor 550 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: out of Chicago. He is actually my pastor to twenty 551 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: thousand member church. And what he does is he has 552 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: a program that goes into the jail. They teach them 553 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: financial literacy, job skilled readiness. They bring corporations into the 554 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: jail to recruit prisoners those who are about to get out. 555 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: So you want to ensure that they the skills that 556 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: are needed so that they do not recidivize when they 557 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: come out. If you got a job or a skill 558 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: or something, somebody's going to take you in, then you're 559 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: less likely to be in that set of circumstances. I 560 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: think programs like doctor Bill Winston is one that should 561 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: be expanded throughout the country. They did a wrong, they're 562 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: accepting their punishment obviously by being there, and they don't 563 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: have a choice but too. But now we can give 564 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: them skills that when they come out they're in a 565 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: better position to be effective citizens and taxpayers. And I 566 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: think that's what we really would want as a country. 567 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: We want to be able to give people an ability 568 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: to do right after being in a set of circumstances. 569 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: Like that. 570 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: One of the reasons I wanted to share this conversation 571 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: with folks who listen to our podcasts is that after 572 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: the death of your brother Christian, you founded the Caldwell 573 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: Institute for Public Safety, which is a nonprofit dedicating to 574 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: ensure our justice system is the safety and security of 575 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: all law abiding citizens. Could you talk about that point 576 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: or two. I think it's a very important organizational effort 577 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: on your part and one that I have great admiration for. 578 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: Well. Thank you. People can go to Caldwell Institute dot 579 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: org and learn more about us there. So what happened 580 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: newd is I wanted to ensure that after what I 581 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: experienced with my brother working with the police. I worked 582 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: for Fox News, so I had all the press, but 583 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: many people don't. I put together manuals, and people that 584 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: are on our board of advisors did it the same. 585 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: We have former prosecutors, police chief legislators, etc. That are 586 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: on our advisory board and they put together e manual 587 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: how to work with police and prosecutors. I put together 588 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: emanual how to get pressed for your family members, how 589 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: to work with mental health services. Doctor Drew put together 590 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: a manual on that those resources can again be found 591 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: at our website calledwell Institute dot org. It was necessary. 592 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to really help people because I didn't realize 593 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: that I was going to go through all these things 594 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: and have these particular sets of experiences, but certainly I did, 595 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: and I want people to have an easier time. Unfortunately, 596 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying that to navigate this situation because it's incredibly difficult, 597 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: hard and emotional. So the institute started off as being 598 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: a place for that, as well as going after soft 599 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: on crime George Soro's funded prosecutors, and now we've expanded 600 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: our tent to get involved with the gubernatorial races, the 601 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: mayor or racist because public safety and crime is an 602 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: expansive area where it's not just about the das, it's 603 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: about the governors. It's about the legislatures. But the governors 604 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: have a great impact, the mayors have a great impact, 605 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: and the das have a great impact, especially if they're 606 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: actually applying the law and not utilizing politics. So this institute, 607 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: I think is extraordinarily important, is the only one that's 608 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: on the right because we don't really have these same 609 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: kind of issues that they have on the left. And 610 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: I just wanted to give a place for people to 611 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: be able to get what they need during their time 612 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 2: and need well. 613 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: I think you're doing an amazing job. I really want 614 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: to thank you for joining us. It's a very personal story. 615 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: You've responded with great courage and great discipline. I appreciate 616 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: your sharing your story by your brother Christian. Your new book, 617 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: The Day My Brother was Murdered, My Journey through America's 618 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: Violent Crime Crisis is available now on Amazon and in 619 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: bookstores everywhere. I encourage everyone to get a copy. We 620 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: will list the Caldwell Institute for Public Safety on our 621 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: show page so people can come and see what you're doing. 622 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: I just want to thank you personally, Giano, for you 623 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: the commitment you've made as a citizen and for your friendship. 624 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: No, thank you for your friendship. And we got who 625 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: were dates coming up here. 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