Speaker 1: Miss Spelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, how are you good? Good?
Speaker 3: Thanks? I'm in Sweden actually visiting. This is extremely red
Speaker 3: room here that I'm in.
Speaker 2: I like the red room.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Are you and your wife there?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah? Vacation business, vacation mostly got a little business,
Speaker 3: but most of vacation visit. My daughter's uh one lives
Speaker 3: in Spain, in Greece with her boyfriend in Athens. We're
Speaker 3: going next week, and the other ones in Marbella.
Speaker 1: My goodness, how did like the legendary dude of all dude,
Speaker 1: like villain of all villain wind up with two daughters?
Speaker 2: Boys?
Speaker 3: You know what they call it? What fighter's curse? You
Speaker 3: ever heard of that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Fighter still lone. A few other friends of mine they
Speaker 3: have daughters. They get daughters. It's like nature's trying to
Speaker 3: balance your testosterone by taking your genes and carrying them
Speaker 3: on in a female version.
Speaker 2: You know. Huh? Is that fighter's curse or just karma?
Speaker 3: Fighter's curse? I think it may be karma. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm glad to have daughters because it's much easier. I
Speaker 3: think it's more, more less complicated. I think between father's daughters.
Speaker 3: Father's sons can be can get complex they try to
Speaker 3: live up to something, especially if you're a you know,
Speaker 3: an action action start in a movie. Then you know,
Speaker 3: your son can can have a hard time maybe, But
Speaker 3: for daughters, it's just kind of pure, pure, more pure love.
Speaker 1: I think in the attraction, you know, are they daddy's girls?
Speaker 1: I think so you're all girls daddy's girls? Do you
Speaker 1: think everybody? Uh?
Speaker 3: I would hope. So. I mean, look, if you have
Speaker 3: a healthy relationship in your you can't exist our daddy's girls.
Speaker 3: But I mean, obviously you know that can be depending
Speaker 3: on the daddy or the kid, mostly the father. If
Speaker 3: you don't play your cards right, then you know you
Speaker 3: could end up having a major conflict there too.
Speaker 2: Do you just say, daddy one more time?
Speaker 3: Daddy?
Speaker 2: Oh that was hot? Anyway, I digressed.
Speaker 1: I'm such a fangirl, Like, oh my gosh, sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: like a little fangirling right now because like the young
Speaker 1: version of me, like in the eighties, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like like the Rocky movies. I just remember, it wasn't
Speaker 1: something I would be into, like you know, I like
Speaker 1: chick flicks and rom coms and whatever they were called.
Speaker 1: John Hughes movies back in the eighties, and I watched
Speaker 1: them because my dad was so into them, and I
Speaker 1: fell in love with them, Like I have seen every
Speaker 1: single one multiple times on my own and for a
Speaker 1: girl like I don't know, I would just cry and
Speaker 1: I'd have crushes and I'd be like championing everyone, and
Speaker 1: like I.
Speaker 2: Had a bit of a crush on you because you
Speaker 2: were blonde.
Speaker 1: I always died Mary a blonde boy because I wanted
Speaker 1: a blonde boys because I'm not naturally blonde, and I
Speaker 1: just want blonde kids.
Speaker 2: But it looks good, Oh my hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah it looks good.
Speaker 2: Thanks doll, appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, Rocky movies' is, like I said, A
Speaker 3: stallone said, you don't have to know anything about boxing
Speaker 3: to enjoy movie because it's about life. It's about the
Speaker 3: challenge of life. And I think some people are more
Speaker 3: compelled by it because I think maybe they're more fighters
Speaker 3: in their own life. Maybe they have that attitude fighters attitude,
Speaker 3: and perhaps they're more they try to learn something from
Speaker 3: those films.
Speaker 1: You know, It's true. It just inspires you on any level. So, Mike,
Speaker 1: I have five kids. They're eighteen seventeen, thirteen, twelve, and
Speaker 1: eight and I have five kids.
Speaker 3: Well you look great for five kids. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks my bottom hat, but yeah, no thanks. It
Speaker 2: definitely keeps me on my toes.
Speaker 1: I have three boys, two girls, and it's so wild.
Speaker 2: They're all so.
Speaker 1: Unique and it's just it's such a fun journey. But
Speaker 1: I recently so I've been going back because my kids,
Speaker 1: you know, with TikTok and YouTube, everything that was our
Speaker 1: generation is now coming back in. You know, they see
Speaker 1: the memes and the clips and they and they are
Speaker 1: interested in our lives back then. What was you know,
Speaker 1: good you know, good movies and TV to us. But
Speaker 1: so my eight year old I just started him watching Rocky,
Speaker 1: not because of this interview, just in general, because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, you would love this so much.
Speaker 1: And they still stand up.
Speaker 2: They really do.
Speaker 1: Like you know, my kids watch my show nine o
Speaker 1: two and oh and they're like, oh, it's grainy, something's
Speaker 1: wrong with the screen.
Speaker 2: Oh it's really slow.
Speaker 1: But you know Rocky, which is you know before nine
Speaker 1: o two and oh in the eighties, Like it stands up.
Speaker 2: They love it.
Speaker 3: Great. No, I think you're right. I think some some
Speaker 3: in the movie, especially Rocky for some reason, because it
Speaker 3: has the visual language was very, very kind of extreme,
Speaker 3: and lighting and the way it's cut together with the
Speaker 3: slow mo and the dissults and the free frames everything
Speaker 3: the way it was done, it kind of holds up
Speaker 3: pretty well, I think. And also I believe, you know,
Speaker 3: when I think back in my life, I was interested
Speaker 3: in movies that were made before I was born, too,
Speaker 3: Like what did I my dad what he used to watch?
Speaker 3: I used to be kind of fascinated by that, So,
Speaker 3: you know. At the same time, I'm sure your kids
Speaker 3: we're kind of interested in the time that you grew
Speaker 3: up when you were young, because it's that heritage, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 2: Too, definitely, But they think I'm old.
Speaker 1: Like my eight year old asked me the other day,
Speaker 1: did they have Chucky cheeses back.
Speaker 2: In your day?
Speaker 3: Like rocket my day?
Speaker 1: I'm like yes, and he's like, really, so it's been
Speaker 1: around a really long time, like it's old.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's life, isn't it. How it'll all change,
Speaker 3: I mean, the perspective changes. Like I was even today,
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody about the fact that you know,
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. I remember there was an
Speaker 3: anniversary for the end of World War Two. I think
Speaker 3: it was twenty five year anniversary. And that's like something
Speaker 3: that ended in two thousands now, so that's how close
Speaker 3: it was. Like two thousand doesn't seem that long ago.
Speaker 3: But when I was a kid, and I remember people
Speaker 3: were watching on TV and everybody were in Normandy and
Speaker 3: all that, and of course it was only twenty five
Speaker 3: years ago, it was like around the corner. But you know,
Speaker 3: for a kid, it seems like ages ago.
Speaker 1: It seems ages ago. I know there's that thing where
Speaker 1: it's like it all went so fast, but it all
Speaker 1: went so slow. It's like, really, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: that thing. I think it's different for women than men aging,
Speaker 1: especially in the in the spotlight as actors.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look the same, like you don't age.
Speaker 3: Not really, but no, but I think, let.
Speaker 2: Me see them again. Wait, I just want to see
Speaker 2: them up close and personal. Oh, there they are.
Speaker 3: So do you.
Speaker 2: Ensure your biceps? What have you ensured your bic No?
Speaker 3: I didn't actually a good idea flunger and why, I'll
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 2: I'll get on that.
Speaker 3: I intend to keep them where they are, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that for women with some women age really well,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, it takes an effort. You probably
Speaker 3: know it takes effort and takes dedication to take care
Speaker 3: of yourself as you get older. I mean, a lot
Speaker 3: of people let themselves go. And if you don't, if
Speaker 3: you're a little more focused, then you can stay young
Speaker 3: as a man or a woman. You know, I'm just
Speaker 3: thinking of I did a movie called Aquaman and Nicole
Speaker 3: Kidman's in it, and you know, she looks you know,
Speaker 3: she always looks good on film, but when you see
Speaker 3: her in person, she looks great too, and she's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, she's not as old as I am,
Speaker 3: bit close, so, you know, and I was impressed by
Speaker 3: the fact that she looked very fit, and she looked
Speaker 3: very very youthful, even the way she carries herself.
Speaker 2: You know, what's her secret?
Speaker 3: My secret?
Speaker 2: Not your secret, Nicole Kidman, her secrets? What do you think?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not sure where her secret is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're like one of the smartest men alive.
Speaker 2: You must know.
Speaker 1: There's some engineering going on scientifically, Like what is it?
Speaker 3: Some of it's genetics, I think some of it is
Speaker 3: is training and diect and the other one is probably
Speaker 3: staying youthful in your mind. You know, if you're an actor,
Speaker 3: usually being creative, you work with younger people, you're you know,
Speaker 3: you're playful, you have fun, you enjoy the moment, and
Speaker 3: you don't get caught up in the past too much.
Speaker 3: So I think those things help, you know.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, I feel like she's a free spirit.
Speaker 1: She's Yeah, she's in everything every movie.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know, it's crazy wild. When
Speaker 3: I worked with her on I Can on the On
Speaker 3: the sequel, she came. We did as we have to
Speaker 3: reshoot a scene and shot on the stage at Warner
Speaker 3: Brothers in La and I was tired. I've had some
Speaker 3: surgery on my ankles, so I came in on crutches.
Speaker 3: But you know, of course she can't just prop me
Speaker 3: up and shoot this part. But she had, she had
Speaker 3: done it. Came straight from somewhere Australia, I guess, and
Speaker 3: did a night shoot and had worked two nights in
Speaker 3: a row, and she came straight from shooting Knights onto
Speaker 3: this set. It's like, man, that's that's rough. You know.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't I would try to avoid that. If it
Speaker 3: was me, I wouldn't do it that way. But I
Speaker 3: guess she loves she loves working.
Speaker 2: You know, women are warriors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah were you.
Speaker 1: Were you a fan of the Rocky franchise before Rocky four?
Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, I watched the First Rocky.
Speaker 2: I came over on you didn't sell that for real?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I came over here to America. Sorry, I'm Sweedena,
Speaker 3: but I came to America as an student when I
Speaker 3: was eighteen, and I went to watch Rocky the First
Speaker 3: Rocky in the theater. And this is right after that
Speaker 3: I ran hostage crisis. You remember, America was kind of
Speaker 3: not very patriotic. It was a kind of a low
Speaker 3: period in the country's self esteem, I would say after
Speaker 3: the Vietnam War ended, and that was in seventy five
Speaker 3: and ended. It was like a year or two later,
Speaker 3: and the movie came out, and that was in the
Speaker 3: theater and I still remember how people are cheering, and
Speaker 3: it was you know, the Rocky. The First Rocky was
Speaker 3: came out during the bicentennial celebrations right nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 3: I believe, so, you know, it was a big, kind
Speaker 3: of a big moment. I was a fan of that.
Speaker 3: Then Rocky three I watched when I was in Australia
Speaker 3: on a scholarship studying engineering. I was there and I
Speaker 3: was fighting karate championships and I listened to some of
Speaker 3: the Iva Tiger some of the music getting ready for
Speaker 3: my fight, and little did I know I was going
Speaker 3: to be in the next one. But you know, only
Speaker 3: three years later, So it was kind of.
Speaker 2: Bizarre that happened so wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there it's like bittersweet, like because
Speaker 1: we want to talk about it because it's what made
Speaker 1: us made our careers. But sometimes it's like, do you
Speaker 1: feel like you ever get tired of talking about Rocky.
Speaker 2: Usually it's a load of question. I could have worded
Speaker 2: it better, you know.
Speaker 3: No, sometimes I get a little tired of it, but
Speaker 3: not really. I mean I appreciate the people, you know,
Speaker 3: being the adoration or the fanboys and girls and people
Speaker 3: you know liking my work and as that character. I yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't mind. I mean I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of other things. Some people prefer
Speaker 3: the Masters of the Universe, or.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know you're he Man, like come on, he.
Speaker 3: Man, or if they're like Aquaman if they're younger people,
Speaker 3: they younger kids, they maybe seen Aquaman or some But
Speaker 3: I also believe that first time you come on screen,
Speaker 3: especially if you're unknown, and when people see you the
Speaker 3: first time, whether it's Stallone as Rocky or Arnold as
Speaker 3: Conan and people, it just kind of gets burnt into
Speaker 3: your consciousness as the moviegoer, because especially in those days,
Speaker 3: it was the big screen, and you know, you really
Speaker 3: believe that person's character existed, and it's it's hard to
Speaker 3: get over that. So I don't I understand why it's
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, did you speak English when you first
Speaker 1: came to America.
Speaker 3: I spoke a little bit. I came to study engineering
Speaker 3: when I was eighteen. Then I went back to Sweden
Speaker 3: and I came back again, studied twice. I came back
Speaker 3: studied more engineering.
Speaker 2: And scholarship MIT right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Was MIT towards the end. So I spoke English.
Speaker 2: But if you had gone that route, what if.
Speaker 3: I would have been I would have been a different life.
Speaker 3: I would have I don't know, shaking test tubes. I
Speaker 3: would probably been running an oil company or something. I
Speaker 3: had kind of ideas of doing the master's in Business
Speaker 3: administration and then running becoming a company corporate guy or
Speaker 3: a CEO or something. And I'm kind of doing it
Speaker 3: now in a roundabout way with this liquor company I have.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think I would have missed out.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would have been happy. I had
Speaker 3: a lot of traumas in my childhood, a lot of
Speaker 3: issues to deal with, and I think acting was a
Speaker 3: way for me to express that. And so much martial arts,
Speaker 3: but acting was the better way to do it.
Speaker 2: Wow, you in a suit?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, every day I can picture it.
Speaker 2: So was your first movie? View to a Kill?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I love that movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You two favorite James Bond movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Roger Moore, Christopher walk and Grace Jones was in
Speaker 3: it and I was dating her at the time. And
Speaker 3: you know, I was there hanging out on set and
Speaker 3: some guy didn't show up for work and they kind
Speaker 3: of looked around to find the replacement for a guy
Speaker 3: to just play a bodyguard, and I look the part.
Speaker 3: So I got that role. I was in it for
Speaker 3: like twenty seconds with Grace and Chris. Chris walkin and
Speaker 3: I met him. He was very nice, very nice and interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, watched his acting and I'd started some acting
Speaker 3: at the time too, so I was watching him as
Speaker 3: he was preparing and and how he kind of would
Speaker 3: change his attitude, you know, from the rehearsal, and then
Speaker 3: he would totally do one eighty and all the other
Speaker 3: actors was shocked. I didn't know how to respond to me.
Speaker 2: Really, I've never heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he did. He would. He never would the
Speaker 3: way I saw it, anyway, he wouldn't. He didn't really
Speaker 3: give much in the rehearsal and he didn't know what
Speaker 3: was going to happen. But you know, when the cameras
Speaker 3: came on, he would have all kinds of impulses and
Speaker 3: it was very interesting, like very very very explosive. You know,
Speaker 3: his acting is very unpredictable.
Speaker 2: You know that is so cool. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You and Grace Jones were such an iconic couple. You were,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting when I think of the two of you,
Speaker 1: like I have a visual in my mind of the
Speaker 1: two of you and like a paparazzi and it's fashion.
Speaker 1: I think fashion, when when I think the two of you,
Speaker 1: is that weird?
Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. She was obviously always very
Speaker 3: fashionably dressed, and she helped me. You know, I met
Speaker 3: different designers and I would get stuff them like Brisa
Speaker 3: she would make me a jacket, or Kenzo would do
Speaker 3: something or you know, I wore a lot of Milano
Speaker 3: Blanic and hadman's shoes too in those days. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they did still do, but yeah, it was
Speaker 3: very fashionable. Plus we were always in a cool place
Speaker 3: at fifty four Area, and the photography in those days
Speaker 3: was also you know, even the paparazzis they had had
Speaker 3: talent and made of stuff looked really cool. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: you know, And yeah, so it has like a fashion
Speaker 3: sense to it. And I think the fact that she
Speaker 3: was dark and I was blonde, and there's like there's
Speaker 3: some kind of graphic kind of statement there that that
Speaker 3: also looks fashionable.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, imagine the two of you a couple
Speaker 1: present day. Your age is back then, but now out
Speaker 1: like paparazzi all over you guys.
Speaker 2: It would be in social media, social media. I mean,
Speaker 2: it'd be a whole different ballgame. It'd be wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, yeah, it would be. It was. It
Speaker 3: was unusual and even before I was in the movies,
Speaker 3: I you know, I was with her and we went
Speaker 3: to fifty four in these places and people did.
Speaker 2: Study of fifty four.
Speaker 3: My gosh, yeah, yeah, it was do you ever get
Speaker 3: a lime light? Oh yeah, I worked there. It was
Speaker 3: a dark yeah. Asia bouncer in the front there, and
Speaker 3: Charles Palmieri another actor he was, he was in the back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is it was that period. You know they say
Speaker 3: when I first came, I came to New York eighty
Speaker 3: to eighty three. So there was the period where it's
Speaker 3: right for age. So it's like they say, the period
Speaker 3: between what is it the invention of the pill and age?
Speaker 3: There is a period where you know, the nightlife was
Speaker 3: kind of wild and people weren't didn't have any inhibitions.
Speaker 3: There were no there were no iPhones. There were you know,
Speaker 3: if you went to a club, they weren't gonna have
Speaker 3: some photographers run around and take pictures of Mick Jagger
Speaker 3: or anybody you know doing anything illegal. It was never
Speaker 3: going to get out and if you try to sell
Speaker 3: it to some magazine, they wouldn't buy it anyway. But
Speaker 3: you know, it slowly all of that changed. So when I
Speaker 3: went out to a club, you know, Prince would be
Speaker 3: there and Michael Jackson whoever was, and you know, people
Speaker 3: were like relaxed and they could be be themselves, you know,
Speaker 3: which now only maybe in a private party with that happened,
Speaker 3: but I don't think would happen in the club anymore.
Speaker 1: Which female celebrities hit on you and you think like, hmm,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have gone out with them.
Speaker 2: Back in the day. Oh all of them?
Speaker 3: All of them. Who did I run into? Well, Iman
Speaker 3: was kind of cute. She was a friend of Grace's.
Speaker 2: Kind of cute, hot hot.
Speaker 3: There was I ran into, uh, I remember I ran
Speaker 3: into reck Well, Well some party she was, but she
Speaker 3: must have been I thought about it. She you know,
Speaker 3: probably wasn't more than like late thirties or maybe forty
Speaker 3: or something now, but she was quite hot, and.
Speaker 2: You were just a young buck I.
Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, I was. But well, models around, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of models. Was that Chracy Grillo had. She
Speaker 3: had a sister was a model. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 3: her name though. Anyway, Well, there were a.
Speaker 1: Few, Oh my god, the eighties that was like the
Speaker 1: most iconic time for models.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you're right, because the models were were sexyre
Speaker 3: they looked more feminine, They weren't this kind of they
Speaker 3: still the started that kind of what's it called, like
Speaker 3: metrosexual or like andrown and drogens looks more.
Speaker 2: And now obscure is in.
Speaker 3: Yeah Knowmi Campbell and uh, you know Cindy Crawford and
Speaker 3: Linda Evangelista, all this girls.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, imagine you with Claudia Schiffer. It would
Speaker 1: have been Ken and Barbie machine version like the version.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was lucky you got to work with
Speaker 3: the photographers, you know, like her Ritz and Helma Newton
Speaker 3: and Greg Gorman, all of those guys. You know.
Speaker 2: Andy Warhol, Anie World.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he took some of my first pictures with Andy Warhold.
Speaker 3: He he just had his knack of picking finding people
Speaker 3: that had even I wouldn't say talent, but had some
Speaker 3: something an X factor. Like he picked me out in
Speaker 3: the club. Yeah. Grace wasn't even there. He was just
Speaker 3: I just saw this little guy with white hair come
Speaker 3: up to me and go, Hi, what are you famous for?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, nothing as far as I know. And
Speaker 3: he's like, took a picture of me, and they said,
Speaker 3: I want to put you in my magazine. And then
Speaker 3: Grace showed up and I realized it was Andy Worrel
Speaker 3: and then we ended up doing a spread for for
Speaker 3: Interview magazine.
Speaker 2: Which is fun iconic. I want to see that photo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what happened to it. I think
Speaker 3: it was in his instamatic, but we did do a
Speaker 3: shoot with and and Andrew Watson were Interview. And then
Speaker 3: also he had this other buddy, Chris macOS, who's a
Speaker 3: great photographer. And I don't know if I think Grace
Speaker 3: told me or I found out later, because I remember
Speaker 3: going to the photo shooting and it was always like,
Speaker 3: uh okay, you know, wearing a T shirt. And then
Speaker 3: it would be like, hey, what if we do some
Speaker 3: pictures without the T shirt? You know? Uh okay, hey
Speaker 3: what if you just down to like underwear, you know,
Speaker 3: with that look? And then you know, I found out
Speaker 3: that there was some kind of bets between him and
Speaker 3: Andy about how much if there was a guy coming in,
Speaker 3: how much would they remove, you know, and and some
Speaker 3: something like and then sort of reporting on the on
Speaker 3: the on the guy's talents, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So of course Grace showed up at some point in
Speaker 3: the fur coats, you know, to stop, you know, she
Speaker 3: got stops. It was like, no, stop that. So, I
Speaker 3: you know, it was tough when you were a kid,
Speaker 3: and it's nice boy, you didn't really understand what was
Speaker 3: going on. I mean I didn't really had no experience.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't really I didn't get it, you know,
Speaker 3: but it took me a while to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And Grace Jones was sorry, I'll move on for a second,
Speaker 1: but this is just so iconic to me.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was known for pushing the envelope fashion wise,
Speaker 1: and she gorgeous, stunning.
Speaker 2: How tall was she?
Speaker 3: Probably as tall as people think the shows were these,
Speaker 3: you know amze, I mean nice stiletto heels, but five
Speaker 3: maybe five nine or something, so she wasn't short, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, okay, but she definitely dressed provocative. Lee, she was
Speaker 1: provocative and stirred things up, which was so groundbreaking. Did
Speaker 1: you ever feel jealous going out like the men were
Speaker 1: staring at her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little bit jealous in the beginning,
Speaker 3: Like I knew she had you know, she had a
Speaker 3: with this French guy who she hadn't been married to,
Speaker 3: but she he was the father of the son, and
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, there was some I realized some of
Speaker 3: the men we ran into it. Probably she had made
Speaker 3: it had an a fairway, whether you can kind of
Speaker 3: feel the energy or I wasn't that. I'm not a
Speaker 3: jealous person. I wasn't that jealous, but I did think
Speaker 3: that I did. I think at some point I think
Speaker 3: I can't kind of I ran into some of us
Speaker 3: going through a drawer at her house or something, and
Speaker 3: ran into some polaroids, you know, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: a little bit explicit, but you know, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3: It was it was a crazy time. I didn't you know, no,
Speaker 3: I mean she wasn't jealous either, so it was it
Speaker 3: was fine. I think we were pretty secure in each other.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, the two hottest people ever. Like, gosh,
Speaker 1: what a while time. I can't believe you have three
Speaker 1: point three million followers on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I do, yeah something like that.
Speaker 2: What well, how do you do it? Give me?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't really meet social media. It's
Speaker 3: just a little bit of an annoying thing. I gotta
Speaker 3: do do some for you know, lifetimes of contracts. You
Speaker 3: have to have so many posts, and now with this
Speaker 3: Flicker brand I have, you know, you got to keep
Speaker 3: up with social media, but I don't really like it
Speaker 3: that much. I'm not a big fan of it. I
Speaker 3: hate to post pictures of myself, but you know, my
Speaker 3: wife helps me, and I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 3: a it's a necessary evil. Now. Yeah, so I can
Speaker 3: see where you know, there were in the old days
Speaker 3: some actors ever did publicity and it kind of would
Speaker 3: make them mysterious, you know, and I wish I could
Speaker 3: do that, but I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like double sided, like it's evil and it's great.
Speaker 1: And I used to love looking at actors and wondering, like,
Speaker 1: what is it like behind the scenes, what is their
Speaker 1: personal life like? And we never saw it, We never knew,
Speaker 1: you know, they would do publicity, do interviews. It was
Speaker 1: media trained. And now, you know, the thing is, the
Speaker 1: more real and authentic you are, you can connect with everyone,
Speaker 1: so everyone knows almost too much about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sort of suits me because I
Speaker 3: like to I'm not you know, I don't have anything
Speaker 3: to hide. I can be open with my fans and
Speaker 3: talk about my private life or whatever anything happens to me.
Speaker 3: But I do agree with you that there was a
Speaker 3: time where say a real fine actor like Robert de
Speaker 3: Niro or Pacino, you can never They never did any
Speaker 3: They hardly did any press, so you never really knew that.
Speaker 3: You never saw them except for the when they played
Speaker 3: a character. So it made you want to pay ten
Speaker 3: dollars whatever cost to see them in the theater.
Speaker 2: Well, like I remember, it was ten dollars, was it?
Speaker 3: It was it five? I don't know about ten. I think, well,
Speaker 3: Jack Nichol said, I read about him. He did his
Speaker 3: last interview or talk shows in I think in the
Speaker 3: eighties or seventies, even I he just decided it's some point, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think. So if you check on him, you'll find
Speaker 3: very few interviews I think when he's talking about his
Speaker 3: work or his characters or you know, you know. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's ever been on I don't know if
Speaker 3: he's been on Letterman or you you know, not much.
Speaker 3: I think it kind of keeps a certain mystery there,
Speaker 3: and I think they maybe there will be some kind
Speaker 3: of maybe I'll come back to that. I don't know,
Speaker 3: because I saw this interview with Johnny Depp, you know,
Speaker 3: on on on I think it was a Letterman or
Speaker 3: but anyway, he was talking to the letterman. You know,
Speaker 3: he's very funny and interviews he just answers one word
Speaker 3: right for two words. But he's very very clever and charming.
Speaker 3: But he did say that he did a move because
Speaker 3: let him and ask him about Brando working with Marlon
Speaker 3: Brando and and he said that he did a picture
Speaker 3: with him. It's it called don't doing one anyway if
Speaker 3: the movie did. Yeah, And then Brando had asked him
Speaker 3: at some point, you know, like when they were having lunch,
Speaker 3: like how many movies do do a year or something?
Speaker 3: And then and he said that two or three whatever, Branza,
Speaker 3: there's too many. You know, it's says you only have
Speaker 3: so many characters in new closet or whatever. He had
Speaker 3: some funny word. But I always thought about that, and
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, I mean, how much effort can you
Speaker 3: put into the great performers it obviously that's another thing
Speaker 3: that happened back in.
Speaker 1: The eighties as Nicole Kidman, because it's like ten a
Speaker 1: year or so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Because when I did Rocky, I worked on
Speaker 3: that first. It took me six months to get through
Speaker 3: part of edition.
Speaker 2: Six months? What do you mean?
Speaker 3: I had to I had to build. I had to
Speaker 3: train to get more muscular, I had to meet the producers,
Speaker 3: I had to work on a monologue, and I had
Speaker 3: to do a screen test. All that took time for
Speaker 3: me to prepare because Stallone was doing something, he was
Speaker 3: doing another picture. And then once I had the role,
Speaker 3: then I worked with Sly for six months on the choreography,
Speaker 3: lifting weights, you know, working on my Russian accent, all
Speaker 3: of that. So I had a full year of working
Speaker 3: on that character. Nothing That's the only thing I did,
Speaker 3: like a full time job. So of course, when you
Speaker 3: put that much work into something, it's going to have
Speaker 3: a certain resonance. It's going to be very, very layered, right,
Speaker 3: And you can't just throw something together in four weeks
Speaker 3: and think you're gonna be able to deliver anything iconic.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna. It's not gonna happen. I don't care
Speaker 3: how good you are, So if you do too many movies,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna deliver that. And it doesn't matter who
Speaker 3: you are. And I think that's what Brandon was talking about,
Speaker 3: and I can see that, you know, and that's what's
Speaker 3: happened now. You're right, some actors are in everything, so
Speaker 3: you know, it's not. They're good, but it's not memorable.
Speaker 3: It's not like you're gonna that's what you're gonna remember
Speaker 3: them ass, you're gonna remember them as something they did
Speaker 3: probably you know, you know that they spend time one
Speaker 3: when they were younger.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it just dilutes their brand. Not
Speaker 1: that I want to call an actor a brand, but
Speaker 1: your persona Like it's just you want to wait and
Speaker 1: you want to be invested in. It's hard to invest. Well,
Speaker 1: it's hard to invest nowadays streaming. There's a million things
Speaker 1: you can watch, so it's really hard to get attached.
Speaker 1: And the attention span is like kids have no attention span?
Speaker 3: How can you fix it? It's you're right, it's almost
Speaker 3: like the trains left the station. You just got to
Speaker 3: hang on. I mean, can you sometimes still be a
Speaker 3: picture where it'll come out of nowhere and they'll win
Speaker 3: all the awards and there's some has that special quality
Speaker 3: of of you know, people putt of work into it.
Speaker 3: They say, you know, you know, I've work with this
Speaker 3: acting coach for some movies that called. His name is
Speaker 3: Larry Moss, and he works with Larry. He's great, right, Larry,
Speaker 3: And he did say, like when you when you make
Speaker 3: your entrance, you know, scene one, you know, act on
Speaker 3: scene one, you make your entrance and he says, within
Speaker 3: like a minute or less, the audience makes a decision.
Speaker 3: You know, do I love this character? Don't like them? Like?
Speaker 3: Am I fascinated by this character or not? If you're not,
Speaker 3: you know, you're done. That's it. You know, there's no
Speaker 3: nothing you can do. You have to like, you have
Speaker 3: to come in with something. And if somebody comes in
Speaker 3: with that X factor, then you know, whether it's a
Speaker 3: movie or a play, then they're magical and you just
Speaker 3: watch them and you realize, oh shit, you know this
Speaker 3: is really axhilarating. You know, it's like I believe this
Speaker 3: person and you're so right, and you know, but you're right.
Speaker 3: With all the streaming, there's I don't think that too
Speaker 3: many people think like that.
Speaker 1: You know, No, it's a sad lost art famous and
Speaker 1: get a job and yeah, wait, you just did a
Speaker 1: Brandow impersonation. It was brilliant. You do impersonations? Uh?
Speaker 3: Sometimes? Yeah, you know some people I I I either
Speaker 3: know or you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: Have to do it here. But who else do you do.
Speaker 3: Your adult you know, yeah, to see I want Viking funeral.
Speaker 3: What I just focus. I don't want to Viking funeral.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I do a couple of people. Uh. The
Speaker 3: brand that's one of my favorite because I like is
Speaker 3: you know, it's so he has that very very cereblow.
Speaker 3: You know, even though he's these sort of these thugs,
Speaker 3: you know, he comes across the soul, sensitive and thoughtful.
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting even when he even when he no
Speaker 3: matter what character he plays, you know, it's I love
Speaker 3: him a lot, you know, I like his performances.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like after Rocky four that you got
Speaker 1: type cast?
Speaker 3: Well? I did in some ways. Yeah. I played obviously
Speaker 3: another guy with no shirt. He man with a big sword,
Speaker 3: and you know he was also a fighter, like a
Speaker 3: warrior like Ivan Drago. And then I played Punisher, who
Speaker 3: was a guy on a motorcycle with a shotgun and
Speaker 3: so cool gene gun. And I played you know a
Speaker 3: lot of action movies. You know. When I started studying acting,
Speaker 3: I I was I was attracted to acting because it
Speaker 3: gave me a chance to be emotional and like cry
Speaker 3: on stage and be a fool. And you know, I
Speaker 3: trained with this guy named Warren Robertson in New York,
Speaker 3: and he liked the primal scream and all this, you know, emotional.
Speaker 3: I like to be emotional because I had all this
Speaker 3: pain for my childhood. So I didn't really want to
Speaker 3: be an action star. It was just, you know, that
Speaker 3: role was perfect for me. And when I did a
Speaker 3: good job in Rocky four, then yeah, here's another guy
Speaker 3: who can kick ass and who looks like he could,
Speaker 3: you know, looks looks like an action guy. And that's
Speaker 3: the kind of movies I did.
Speaker 2: You know, do you ever want to do a rom com?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love rong coms. I like to cry and
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: How are you a comedy?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good at comedy.
Speaker 2: I think you know. I want to see you do
Speaker 2: a comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to see you and Stallone do like a
Speaker 1: different version of like.
Speaker 2: Dumb and dumber.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not dumb, but.
Speaker 2: Like you know, Jim Carre, like that would like something funny? Yeah,
Speaker 2: can we set that up.
Speaker 3: I've become a fighter because against singer dance. No, but
Speaker 3: I think I think I would. Yeah, that's not a
Speaker 3: bad idea. I actually get a comedy on actually comedy
Speaker 3: that I'm developing, said in La the in show business
Speaker 3: with kind of Hollywood movie with you know, some of
Speaker 3: the expaniables. People learn that, so you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: not a hilarious comedy, but it's a little bit like
Speaker 3: a King of comedy that you know, squz pic. Sure
Speaker 3: it's kind of serious but funny.
Speaker 2: You probably do great physical comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, physical comedies. People like to see me do things.
Speaker 3: That's you know. I think I realized that when I
Speaker 3: was fighting that people wanted to watch me fight, you know,
Speaker 3: whether I want or.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to watch your cheekbones.
Speaker 3: But yeah, natural do things, kind of do things on film.
Speaker 3: It's for some people, you know. So you have that
Speaker 3: thing where they want people want to see you do things.
Speaker 3: So you write physical comedy be good.
Speaker 2: That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: Do people ever slide into your d ms on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Make your direct messages?
Speaker 3: Do I? Yeah? You get some from friends getting weird ones,
Speaker 3: weird ones not really not really super weird, do I? I? Uh?
Speaker 3: I got I? Uh No, I don't read them, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean my wife reason sometimes I I don't read
Speaker 3: much of d M. So I accept if some like
Speaker 3: Chuck Norris or somebody, and yeah, but uh no, I
Speaker 3: I I don't really interact that much on Instagram, except
Speaker 3: you know, when I have you know, if I have
Speaker 3: something I want to spread, like a word about a
Speaker 3: movie or something, I gotta do it. But and it's
Speaker 3: a great tool. I love it. And you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's just it's a bit it's a bit
Speaker 3: unnatural or something because you're talking to people you've never
Speaker 3: met and you're very kind of it. Sometimes it gets
Speaker 3: quite intimate or quite you know, personal. I would say,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a bit I'm still not used to it.
Speaker 1: I understand, Yeah, got it. Can you can you disclose
Speaker 1: if you're going to be in the new he man.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't say anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, just blink once. If you are, I won't tell anyone.
Speaker 1: It's a podcast, it's not visual.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I blink all the time. Whatever that means
Speaker 3: to your own conclusions.
Speaker 2: You are ready.
Speaker 3: A few secret projects you know that I'm playing around with.
Speaker 3: I'll come out later. I got three. Actually, it's weird.
Speaker 3: I've got all these things I can't talk about now.
Speaker 3: It's so strange. It's never been like that before.
Speaker 2: That's a cool thing. That means you got a lot
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, can.
Speaker 2: How do you feel sorry?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just got vangirled and like totally
Speaker 1: blanked out.
Speaker 2: Have you actually sorry?
Speaker 1: This is so Rando. I like Rando questions because you've
Speaker 1: been asked everything in your whole career. I'm sure. Have
Speaker 1: you tried the infamous Swedish meatballs at Akia?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're good. I've tried them, not in La, but
Speaker 3: somewhere else. I can't remember where, but you know what,
Speaker 3: I had meatballs today?
Speaker 2: Do you make them dolf longer? And do you cook?
Speaker 3: Oh? I didn't actually, but I went to a restaurant
Speaker 3: in Stockholm with my parents in law and have some meatballs.
Speaker 3: It was good.
Speaker 1: Like is the linenberry sauce at Ikea? Is that authentic?
Speaker 2: That's what it is. Typically it is.
Speaker 3: Pretty authentic and it comes with linenberries and those cucumbers
Speaker 3: I believe, like salty cucumbers or some.
Speaker 1: Sorry your own brand as potatoes.
Speaker 2: Does your wife cook?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a pretty good cook, which is great because
Speaker 3: we live in La and I do find the difference
Speaker 3: if you compare to steak Sweden. All the food here
Speaker 3: is pretty clean, like you know, but I think in
Speaker 3: La you can't eat really well, but you have to
Speaker 3: be a little more proactive. And I think she's very
Speaker 3: smart about that. So I think that's maybe another secret
Speaker 3: I have that I eat really well.
Speaker 1: Was that like a thing like where you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: can you can you cook like Swedish cuisine?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Here, fill out this questionnaire question one. Can you
Speaker 3: make meatballs? No? I uh, I just know when I'm.
Speaker 2: Met her she can handle the balls.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, she didn't cook that much, but as
Speaker 3: we yes, you know, the years pasted, she did learned
Speaker 3: to cook or she ended up cooking more. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I used to cook a little more in
Speaker 3: the beginning, used to cook breakfast as such, But now
Speaker 3: I don't cook much at all, just a little bit,
Speaker 3: but not much, which is good because I'm busy. So
Speaker 3: I'm glad she's doing it.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: If you I don't even know if you ever do,
Speaker 1: and I know you're super healthy, But if you had
Speaker 1: to pick a fast food, what would be your favorite.
Speaker 3: Best food? Is? Hamburger? Fast food? Burger burger with cheese, burger.
Speaker 2: With fries, like what place?
Speaker 3: H There is one in West Hollywood called Shake Shake Shock.
Speaker 3: It's on.
Speaker 2: Mass food.
Speaker 3: Is that fast food? Now?
Speaker 2: It's really good? I would consider that.
Speaker 1: Now I'm talking like McDonald's, Burger King, Taco Bell.
Speaker 3: No that now I could go for some for some
Speaker 3: I hop I could go for some pancakes. But so pancakes,
Speaker 3: I hop again.
Speaker 2: Not fast food. But I didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about your vodka hard cut?
Speaker 3: Okay, what about it? Uh? It's this is the logo HC.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's sick potato vodka.
Speaker 3: And me and my wife came up with the idea.
Speaker 3: I just didn't like any of the vodkas out there.
Speaker 1: And what was the reason you E didn't like the
Speaker 1: other brands out there?
Speaker 3: Well, I missed the taste. I missed that you cannot
Speaker 3: drink it on ice, and you can't sip it because
Speaker 3: it's too harsh and it burns your throat. It's like
Speaker 3: aviation fuel. I didn't like that taste. That was the
Speaker 3: main thing that I wanted, a very smooth vodka. And
Speaker 3: I didn't know much about it, but it was kind
Speaker 3: of exciting to delve into it and I realized, we
Speaker 3: realized that potato vodka is a much smoother and there
Speaker 3: are very few potato vodkets only like one or two
Speaker 3: percent in America potato vodckets, and there was a really
Speaker 3: good chopine poland. But then we found one in America
Speaker 3: in Idaho, Idaho potatoes. Of course, that was great. Document
Speaker 3: and water. It's very very smooth. You can drink it
Speaker 3: straight up. People like that. People are very surprised when
Speaker 3: they try it.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I could do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll send you a bottle. You just sip it
Speaker 3: on ice or you can because it's overproof. It is
Speaker 3: nighty proof, so when you put it in a cocktail,
Speaker 3: it holds the ice better, it doesn't get us diluted,
Speaker 3: and there's no clicks, so it's good. Like old the
Speaker 3: vodkas say the same thing, but we're all we taste
Speaker 3: better over ice, smooth and also tastes better in a cocktail.
Speaker 3: And that's that's That was the main thing. And then
Speaker 3: then I just thought, well, I want to have a
Speaker 3: little fun with vodka the way people have fun with tequila.
Speaker 3: You know, brands, the vodka brands are kind of boring,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to have a little fun with it
Speaker 3: and you know, have a little kind of badass expendables vibes.
Speaker 2: So and I love that you say.
Speaker 1: I mean, you put it out there that you're a
Speaker 1: self professed drinker, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: No, I don't drink domb much. I work out a lot,
Speaker 3: but I do like to have a cocktail once a
Speaker 3: week maybe or sometimes twice. And and when I drink,
Speaker 3: I like to drink some really good something I really
Speaker 3: enjoy and i'd like to I don't have to, I
Speaker 3: don't have to abuse it. Just want to enjoy it.
Speaker 3: It's relaxing and fun, you know.
Speaker 1: I know people always say like, oh, you can't drink,
Speaker 1: like that's you know, especially when you get older, you
Speaker 1: can't drink.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting. You see these people that say.
Speaker 1: She lived to be one hundred and nine and she
Speaker 1: had a sip of whiskey every single day.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you know, like it's like, look.
Speaker 3: I think if you have a little bit of alcohol,
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at people who live in like
Speaker 3: the Mediterranean region. I had a place in Spain for
Speaker 3: twenty years and bea or you go to grease people, yeah,
Speaker 3: drink a little bit, eat ruso, or they drink you know, wine,
Speaker 3: and they live the longest.
Speaker 2: It's very different than the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I don't think alcohol has
Speaker 3: a big time to do with unless you're an alcoholic.
Speaker 3: But I mean if anything in moderation, you know, I
Speaker 3: think what you eat is more important, you know, and
Speaker 3: then if you have a drink or two in a week,
Speaker 3: think that matters. Right.
Speaker 2: So you can have some vodka, if you have some pancakes.
Speaker 3: You can have vodka pancakes.
Speaker 2: Vodka infused pancakes.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Let me think about it.
Speaker 3: And the syrup, the syrup maybe here, okay, okay, you
Speaker 3: know we do have a five to one martini, which
Speaker 3: is you know I have. I like the old school stuff,
Speaker 3: the the what do you call it, the rat pack,
Speaker 3: the martinis, the you know, the rocks, glasses, all that
Speaker 3: kind of olives. Olives, yeah, green blue cheese are new. No,
Speaker 3: I would say, are you telling green olives? No, no piano,
Speaker 3: no pepper, and side because the pimento.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan either. I love a good
Speaker 2: all of stuff with blue cheese.
Speaker 3: Oh blue cheese, you mean and the drink or.
Speaker 2: In the olive into the drink.
Speaker 3: I gotta try that and I haven't tried it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, a blue cheese stuffed all of martini.
Speaker 2: You have to with hard cut vodka. We'll do it together.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, we'll do together.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a plan. And ice wise, like, does it
Speaker 1: have to be those like big cubes or you sip
Speaker 1: it over ice, so.
Speaker 3: Have to be a big cube, except we that's kind
Speaker 3: of a signature, look as the straight up over big cube,
Speaker 3: only because it just the cube doesn't mount as quickly
Speaker 3: so it doesn't dilute vodka too much.
Speaker 2: I see. That's the reason. I just thought they always
Speaker 2: look cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they look cool as well. You can get them.
Speaker 3: I can get them with the with the ice stamp.
Speaker 2: Really what Yeah?
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's just a little detail. But I think
Speaker 3: mostly it's because the alcohol, well you know, otherwise the
Speaker 3: alcohol dilutes the ice and it becomes too diluted too fast.
Speaker 3: If you have bar ice. Bar ice is good for shaking,
Speaker 3: but not so much for a drink.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I could listen to you talk about
Speaker 1: this all day long. Okay, last question, Sorry, tell your
Speaker 1: wife to put ear muffs on.
Speaker 2: Has a girl ever said to you you must break me?
Speaker 3: They may? I forgot, but I mean I may have
Speaker 3: too much hard cut before now this is in the past.
Speaker 2: That may have seen in the past, of course, yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe I think they've maybe said it and not perhaps
Speaker 3: those words, but maybe somebody did say that.
Speaker 2: Well, you were delightful.
Speaker 1: I was so excited to have a conversation with you,
Speaker 1: just because it was Nostalgia is really big right now,
Speaker 1: and I know you have so many new projects coming out,
Speaker 1: but it's nice when we can hold onto things that
Speaker 1: were during a time period that meant something and held
Speaker 1: a special place in our hearts. So You've always had
Speaker 1: that in my heart. So I was really excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you today and I am super impressed. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think you're so fun.
Speaker 3: Thanks Tory. You look great too, and it was great
Speaker 3: to talk to you here. It was the best interview
Speaker 3: I've ever had for for a long time.
Speaker 2: Seriously, I appreciate that. Okay, wait, we're going to have
Speaker 2: that drink together right with your wife, the three of us.
Speaker 2: It will be like the new throufle I'm single now,
Speaker 2: so okay, no problem. Perfect, Thank you, Bye Tory. Bye.