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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: What do you think remote view it is? Kind of

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Speaker 1: give us your definition of what it is. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: My definition is it's that we get information that is

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Speaker 1: distant in either space or time or both in some

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Speaker 1: unexplainable way, in other words, not through our usual channels

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Speaker 1: of communication. If you lined up ten people at random,

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Speaker 1: just line them all up and said, practice remote viewing,

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Speaker 1: folks here you know this target to tell us about this,

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Speaker 1: how many do you think would get that right? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it depends what you mean might get

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Speaker 1: it right. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you

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Speaker 1: exactly what it was, and most people probably wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: be able to give you a description that was good

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Speaker 1: enough for you to necessarily pick it out of a

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Speaker 1: lineup of target of possible targets. But what we've found,

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Speaker 1: we tested a lot of people, and we found that

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Speaker 1: about one percent of the population seems to have a

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Speaker 1: really good ability to do remote viewing. Just one percent

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Speaker 1: the rest of us, Yeah, just one percent. The superstars,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've probably interviewed some of them, like Joe

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Speaker 1: mcmonagle INGOs He was one of the best exactly exactly

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Speaker 1: INGOs Swan, that's right, Pat Price and Dames. He's still

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Speaker 1: out there doing his thing, you know, I haven't. We

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Speaker 1: didn't use him in the scientific program, so I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, those are the people. So

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Speaker 1: the rest of us seems to be able to do

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Speaker 1: it to some small extent, but the training can only

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Speaker 1: go so far. I don't want to say anything bad

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Speaker 1: about the training programs that are going on, but I

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Speaker 1: don't want people to get their hopes up too much.

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Speaker 1: Just like I could never go to Carnegie Hall playing

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Speaker 1: the violin, you know, or I could never learn to

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Speaker 1: sing like a good opera singer. So I think we

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Speaker 1: all have some ability to do this, to do remote viewing,

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Speaker 1: but but we can only be trained to the level

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Speaker 1: of our ability. So we can learn how to do it,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can learn what not to do and

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Speaker 1: what to do to gain whatever information our level of

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Speaker 1: ability allows us to gain. Not all going to be superstars.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the important aspects of remote viewing.

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Speaker 1: When people are concentrating on something, it's very difficult to

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Speaker 1: try to ascertain whether what comes into your mind is

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Speaker 1: part of that Remote viewing process or your mind just

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Speaker 1: doing what it does, you know, thinking of things. And

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Speaker 1: you have to be able to distinguish the difference because

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Speaker 1: I think with remote viewing, and this is what I've

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Speaker 1: been told that if you concentrate too hard, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to work for you. You just have to let

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Speaker 1: it flow. That's right. If you try to get too cognitive,

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Speaker 1: like think, if you try to think too much as

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Speaker 1: opposed to just relax and let the information come in,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to work so well. So whatever mechanism

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Speaker 1: is going on, it's not the same as reading a

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Speaker 1: book or you know whatever. It's something like that. And

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Speaker 1: then I also want to point out that there's two

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Speaker 1: things that we need to explain. Really. One is how

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Speaker 1: does the information get to a person? And then how

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Speaker 1: does the person get the information once it's there. So

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Speaker 1: one is kind of a physics problem, right how does

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Speaker 1: information get from the future to now or from Australia

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Speaker 1: to California or whatever. But then the other is that

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Speaker 1: information is somehow available through remote viewing, how does somebody

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Speaker 1: then process it and be able to do remote viewing?

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Speaker 1: So I think those are two problems that we need

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Speaker 1: to work on. Is there a science behind remote viewing

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Speaker 1: or is it more paranormal. Well, I think it should

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Speaker 1: be treated as a science. In other words, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a real clue here that there's something we don't

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Speaker 1: understand about space and time, and we shouldn't be ignoring

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Speaker 1: that clue. Scientists should not be ignoring that because I

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Speaker 1: think it could fundamentally change our understanding of the universe.

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Speaker 1: And we had to be going there because there is

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Speaker 1: data to show that there is something going on, and

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Speaker 1: I think if we knew what it was, it would

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Speaker 1: really help us understand other aspects of the universe. I

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Speaker 1: Lynn mc taggard calls it the force. Other people have

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Speaker 1: called it different things. I've called it the wireless Internet.

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Speaker 1: That's in the universe where we're all connected. There's something

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Speaker 1: there and it's always been there, hasn't it. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. I don't know, just like other abilities. I mean,

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Speaker 1: It might be something to do with the way our

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Speaker 1: just not the way and training, training helps, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think training helps, that's right, yep. I mean I

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Speaker 1: over the years that the breathing techniques when you sing

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Speaker 1: I mean you've really touched on something important, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So you can train and technique. You can't get the

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Speaker 1: It's just like you can't really restructure some of vocal chords, right,

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Speaker 1: but you can train them how to use their breathing exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean that, you know, as a talk show host,

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Speaker 1: I had this voice. I mean I could have been

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Speaker 1: born like this interviewing you like down what kind of

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Speaker 1: an interview with the speeding with this, as Jessica, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how long my career would last like that,

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Speaker 1: with research into remote viewing anything? Yeah? In fact, well

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Speaker 1: I don't know, not so much remote viewing as I

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Speaker 1: would more broadly define kind of psychic phenomena. I think

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Speaker 1: people who are serious about this field realize that the

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Speaker 1: data is there that show that there's definitely something going on,

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Speaker 1: So we don't need to do more proof oriented experiments.

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Speaker 1: Those really are there. Anybody who's willing to look at

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Speaker 1: So what we need is experiments to try to figure

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Speaker 1: about Nobel Prizewinner physicist Brian Josephson and some of his works.

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Speaker 1: Bryan Josephson as a physicist who has been very interested

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Speaker 1: and I wrote a paper at one point where let

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said about psychic phenomena. He said, these

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Speaker 1: phenomena seem mysterious, but no more mysterious, perhaps than strange

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Speaker 1: phenomena past which science has now happily incorporated within its scope.

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Speaker 1: What ideas might be relevant in the context of suitably

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Speaker 1: extending science to take these phenomena into account. Two such

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Speaker 1: concepts are those of the observer and non locality. The

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Speaker 1: constantly splitting into separate branches, only one of which corresponds

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Speaker 1: invoked to stop two branches interfering with each other. But

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Speaker 1: despite the unpopularity of the idea the experience, the experiencers

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Speaker 1: to take calls with Jessica next hour on remote viewing.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that remote viewing is also a hunch?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting remote viewing per se. So

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Speaker 1: the reason I keep coming back to a sort of

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Speaker 1: broader definition is remote viewing is a pretty specified action.

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Speaker 1: I guess you would call it where you explicitly try

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Speaker 1: as a statistician, I'm highly cognitive. Yes, it's true. Now,

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Speaker 1: the full explanations, I don't know, but they have strong

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Speaker 1: new data. What have your colleagues said, Jessica about some

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Speaker 1: of the work you've done in this field. Actually, my

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Speaker 1: statistical colleagues have been pretty interested. I give a lot

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Speaker 1: we discuss it, and you know, they don't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: to believe it, but their moons mostly open to it.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. There's an area of statistics called Bayesian statistics

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Speaker 1: love combining that, the remote viewing data with someone's prior

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Speaker 1: belief that it could be that psychic abilities could be real,

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Speaker 1: because if you have really, really strong prior beliefs that

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Speaker 1: psychic abilities can't be real, then almost no amount of

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Speaker 1: data is going to convince you. And we can actually

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Speaker 1: quantify that, which is kind of fun because we can

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