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Speaker 1: madness is upon us. Which pack twelve teams will make

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Speaker 1: it in? I'm George Rice Stir with Ralph Amson and

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Speaker 1: this is the PAC twelve Apostles. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: to the show. Ralph Colorado. It's interesting because it's almost

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Speaker 1: like we saw this coming with Meil Tucker leaving to

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Speaker 1: But our podcast, without even saying that Meil Tucker took

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Speaker 1: it still works out cheaper than my whole direct TV package.

428
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: So it just doesn't make sense to me. How you

429
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: can try to project out into the future as a

430
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: conference when every other like people who are in this

431
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: industry are like, uh, we don't know what they they're

432
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna look look like, and we're keeping ourselves nimble right now.

433
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: That way we can adjust as things happen. So how

434
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: do you think that you're gonna be positioned to sell

435
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: something when you don't even know how to sell it

436
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: because it doesn't exist or they don't even know how

437
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna work at that time. It is just I

438
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: just waiting for the sake of waiting. It is It's

439
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: it's silly, it's silly Row, and that that's why the

440
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: conference is in the situation that it's in. And Michael

441
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: Crowe is a smart guy. You don't get to be

442
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: the president of a school by being an idiot. However,

443
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: sometimes even the smartest people in the world they missed

444
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: the mark. And Michael Crow, Michael Crowe is a real

445
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: estate giant. Like essentially Arizona State University is a real

446
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: estate company masquerading as a college. You know, for all

447
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: of the great things that Arizona State has done for

448
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: me and my life and my wife's life and everything

449
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: like that, you know, it lets everyone in, so it

450
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: believes in complete access, which really keeps any other universities

451
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: from really getting much of a foothold. Arizona is very

452
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: different than anywhere else, and that we have three major colleges,

453
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: and you know a New Mexico has probably twice that

454
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: as far as you know, two year and four year

455
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: institutions that have athletic programs, but you know Arizona's got three.

456
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: One of them has nine students in a s U.

457
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: And they continually buy up land. The university buys up

458
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: land and then leases it to businesses who run their

459
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: businesses on a college campus, meaning that they don't have

460
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: to pay the same taxes as everybody else. So and

461
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: and in turn they turn around and make those donations

462
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: that would typically go to to to Uncle Sam to

463
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: make them directly to the university. Right, so he is

464
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: I would probably feel more comfortable with Michael Crowe running

465
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: the fact well, uh than I do Larry Scott, because

466
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: this is a guy who has always known how to

467
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: maximize resources. But what I what I don't understand is

468
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: why all of the sudden, somebody who has done an

469
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: incredible job of maximizing every possible penny that can come

470
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: into Arizona State University feels differently when it comes to

471
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: the income that comes from athletics, and these were part

472
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: of his comments last year. He said, conference income is

473
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: a tiny part of everybody's income. It's just a piece

474
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: of everybody's income. You have your own advertising, conference income

475
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: donor income, athletic revenue, other sources from the conference perspective.

476
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: We're up five or sixfold from where we were. We're

477
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: continuing to accelerate the network. We're not producing out of

478
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: our television contract quite what the others are producing at

479
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: the moment. There's came up and were renewed after ours

480
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: was put in place. I don't have any long term concerns.

481
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: There might be some short term concerns. And then this

482
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: is the part that blows my mind, he says. I

483
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: also don't think the best way to measure things is resources,

484
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: the best right, right, The best way to measure things

485
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: is graduation rates, championships, all kinds of things. There's ups

486
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and downs for everybody in those arenas. So that I

487
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: think when we made our strategic chance, which was to

488
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: modernize the conference, from that point forward, things have gone

489
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: very well, and I expect they will continue to go. Well,

490
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: there may be some short term heartburn that somebody is

491
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: making more revenue than we are in Conference A or B,

492
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: but that's an episodic thing. So last year's comments were

493
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: way more revealing than this year's comments. That that that

494
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: sticks out to me the most. I don't think the

495
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: best way to measure things is resources. Get out of here, stop,

496
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: just just stop. If you didn't think there was the case,

497
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be buying up on his damn land at

498
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: Arizona State. Just just I mean, this is how, my lord,

499
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: how do you expect to fund everything without resources? How

500
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: do you expect to pay for all your Title nine

501
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: sports and your non revenue generating Olympic sports without money?

502
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Football makes money, Basketball makes money. Oh god, I'm I'm

503
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm done with him and and I'm onto another knit

504
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: with um Mark Emirate the n C the president of

505
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: the n C Double A, which is just just craziness.

506
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Um So, the n C Double A, other conferences and

507
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: all that have been lobbying against college athletes and the name,

508
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: image and likeness thing, and you had Mark emrit makes

509
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: statements to the Mark Imrant Big twelve Commissioner By Bowsley

510
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: who testified in front of the Senate and said things like,

511
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: if these laws are implemented, the ones from the other states,

512
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: like the the California, in Florida, New York, all these

513
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: states that have passed laws I'm sorry to have passed

514
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: bills that may become laws. If implemented, these laws would

515
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: give some schools an unfair recruiting advantage and open the

516
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: door to sponsorship arrangements being used as as a recruitment inducement.

517
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: This would create a huge imbalance amongst schools and could

518
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: lead to corruption in the recruiting process. That's what Mark

519
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: em That's what Mark Imrate said. Yeah, exactly, we may

520
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: need Congress is support in helping maintain uniforms standards in

521
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: college in college sports. Ralph, what sticks out to you

522
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: with that comment that that he's saying that these things

523
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: might happen that have been going on for thirty or

524
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: forty years, like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We gotta

525
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: be real careful here or things will stay the exact same,

526
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: Like it's it's insane to me. Do you Amber when

527
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: the money from these shoe contracts went directly to the coach? Yes,

528
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: and then the schools wanted in and now the apparel

529
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: contracts are directly with the universities. And here in this

530
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: in this uh Fortune magazine article that you sent over

531
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: to me, it said that in a December meeting with

532
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Senator Mitt Romney, n C Double A president Mark Emmert said,

533
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: everyone agrees that schools shouldn't be able to use make

534
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: endorsement deals to gain a recruiting advantage. What that's literally, yeah,

535
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: oh my god, what are you talking about? Like there

536
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: there FBI investigation going on about this right now, right

537
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: there are how many of of the god knows how

538
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: many kids that have signed letters of intent this year

539
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: in football and basketball. Let's say it's you know, right,

540
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: how how many of them do you think received gift

541
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: cards or some type of illegal payment? I mean even

542
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: if it's an extra hundred bucks on a recruiting trip

543
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: or an extra you know, extra hoodie, or how many

544
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: of them do you think received what or what percentage

545
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: of them do you think receives something that they were

546
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: not supposed to. Death's against easy Double A rules. You

547
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: don't even have to but you don't even have to

548
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: get into the part portions of it that contain illegality.

549
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: I talked to a high level recruit this week. This week.

550
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm always talking to these recruits, but I

551
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: talked to one this week that said that he spoke

552
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: with a certain Big Ten school very recently, and they

553
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: lead with the the amount that you get in your stipend.

554
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: That's what they lead with. And where do you think

555
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: they get that stipend money from a mega endorsement deal?

556
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: From everything? You know? As Michael Crow said, you know,

557
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: resources don't matter, I guess, but from the resources. So

558
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about schools leading off the recruitment with pitching

559
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: you the fact that they're stipend is larger than another school. Yep,

560
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: it's already happening legally, legally, so you don't even have

561
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: to get into all of the super shady stuff which

562
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: I've been around for years now. I covered, I covered

563
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: a continue to cover high school basketball in the state

564
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: of Arizona. Well, you're you're familiar with Marvin Bagley, George

565
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Sierra Canyon. Right before Sierra Canyon, he was at a

566
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: little school that here called Hill Crest. I wrote an

567
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: article about Hill Crest which caused Marvin Bagley to leave

568
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the school. They weren't n C double accredited. But but

569
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Marvin Bagley and DeAndre Ayton, who went number one and

570
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: two in the NBA Draft for a moment, they were

571
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: both at the same school, a school that was funded

572
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: by a Nike contract. That Nike money was coming in

573
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: just to get DeAndre Ayton and Marvin Bagley to eventually

574
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: sign with my Nike at some given time. The way

575
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: that they got Marvin Bagley to that school in part,

576
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: and they both signed with the sign And now DeAndre

577
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: Ayton is missing games with her and ankles all the time.

578
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: But uh so so yeah, so it didn't work out.

579
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: But I've seen these Look, I'm friends with some of

580
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: the Adida's grassroots guys. They follow these athletes around like

581
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: puppy dogs. Like they hire young, cool hip guys to

582
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: like get close to these athletes and help kind of

583
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: push the brand along, you know, I've seen I've seen

584
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: those guys develop a relationship with Christian Kirk, which leads

585
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: to him signing with Adidas out of Texas, A and M. Like,

586
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I've seen these things. I've seen Nike follow uh DeAndre

587
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: Ayton and Marvin Bagley around wherever they go. I've seen

588
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton get embroiled in this scandal, this that never

589
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: really got settled of of money basically being funneled two

590
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: players through shoe companies to go to University of Arizona,

591
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: which is a is a Nike school. You know, I

592
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: can't speak to the to the UH, to the you know,

593
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: accuracy of a lot of the reports that that are

594
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: out there. It seems like some of them were kind

595
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: of shady, But I can say that I definitely know

596
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: of other players who And we've seen people go to

597
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: jail and seen people getting a lot of trouble for

598
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: filtering this money. And we've seen Michael Abanati just just

599
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: got found guilty and is going to go to prison

600
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: for trying to hold Nike hostage over some of the

601
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: information that he had secured UH that that showed illegality

602
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: on on their end. So we already know that it's

603
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: a giant mess. But I mean, I've been in the

604
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: middle of it, Like I you know, I wrote this story.

605
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: Marvin Bagley ends up at cier Canyan, DeAndre Ayton stays

606
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: at Hillcrest. They end up switching things around so their

607
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: classes are n C double a credit. It but the

608
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: shoe companies were just always around. They knew those guys

609
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: were gonna be top five picks. They knew they were

610
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: around and and essentially they kind of help put those

611
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: players in a position to you know, at the end

612
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, DeAndre Aton was considering Nike schools.

613
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: Why do you think that happens at University of Arizona

614
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: State Universities signed their their deal with Adidas, and all

615
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the team, the big club team at

616
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: a Compton, the Compton Magic. All of a sudden, all

617
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: those players are available to them now because they're in

618
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: Adidas grassroots organization. This stuff already happens and has happened,

619
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: and it's going. Yes. When when I was coming out

620
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: in high school, there was a I think Sports Illustrated

621
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: did a feature of the most powerful people in sports

622
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: and and uh, one of the people on there was

623
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: a was was involved in the high school basketball business.

624
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: It was a set of twins, the Pump Brothers, and

625
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: they they actually ended up getting in trouble, uh, some

626
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: some kind of trouble over surrounding the tickets because they

627
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: owned part of a ticket company and then the tickets

628
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: the company would then get when when kids went to

629
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: certain schools. The company would then get access to buy

630
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: those tickets for like the n C Double A tournament

631
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So it's a ticket broker, and

632
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: then the ticket broker was able to make all their

633
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: money so they didn't need a payment from the school.

634
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: It was like a barter. The kid goes goes there,

635
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: we get access to buy tickets and then we make

636
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: our money off the resale market. So when you're on

637
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: stub Hub or you're on you know, uh, seat geek

638
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: or whatever, you go to to buy tickets and they're

639
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: coming from ticket brokers. That's why it's hard to get

640
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: because those seats are quote unquote released to the public.

641
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Some of them are not released to the public. Yeah

642
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: they're public, all right, they're public companies. Um, but Mark

643
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Emirate though the the I don't want to before we

644
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: move on, I don't want to miss out on this

645
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: part of his statement where he said that some schools

646
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: would have an unfair recruiting advantage ralph And in football.

647
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: In football in particular, ninety nine point three percent of

648
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: the top one hundred recruits each year choose Power five conferences.

649
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: That's less than one kid a year that does not

650
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: choose a Power five conference and and the last one

651
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: is probably like ed Ed Oliver who went to Houston,

652
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: and like there is already an imbalance in terms of

653
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: in terms of it's unfair because Houston doesn't have the

654
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: same ability to get a kid as Alabama does, or

655
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: Oregon or U C l A or Arizona State, any

656
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: of them, they have more of an ability to get

657
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: a kid than Memphis. Like come on, man, like let's

658
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: like it's just it's just stupid. But anyways, we we

659
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: digress onto the A C C. Who um has talked

660
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: about their transfer rules because we've been everybody's on the

661
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: transfer portal is you know, there's no transfer portal in life,

662
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: even though there is. If there's a big bag of money,

663
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: shout out melt Tucker. We didn't even get into the

664
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: fact that that that was a melt Tucker. Uh, it

665
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: was he he he shouldn't get roasted too hard for

666
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: it because I think he said it away from any

667
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: cameras or people. And then it was actually Colorado's s I.

668
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: D who made it a public thing, which he got

669
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: roasted for in the moment. And then when melt Tucker

670
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: took this job that s I d went back and

671
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: deleted the original tweet, which I mean, has this dude

672
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: never ever heard that? Like? That just makes it worse.

673
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: So now everybody thinks about because everybody screenshot it already. Exactly.

674
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: That's why I because I don't think that Mail Tucker

675
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: has deleted his tweet about being committed to Colorado. He

676
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: did not. There's no point, it's there, it's there forever,

677
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: you might as well just keep it. Yeah. So um yeah,

678
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: So the a c C is talking about their transfer

679
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: rules and they're talking about how they want to allow

680
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: players to have a one time transfer without having to

681
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: sit out be immediately eligible. So if anybody doesn't know

682
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: how transfer transfers work is if a player enters his

683
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: name in the transfer portal. Sometimes schools, depending on the

684
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: conference and all, they have the ability to say, okay,

685
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: we will grant you, uh, we will sign off. Actually

686
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: let me let me back back up. Then I'll go

687
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: into that. So how it works is a kid inenters

688
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: to transfer portal, he then chooses where he wants to

689
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: go and then that and then his former school has

690
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: to sign off on the possibility of the conference allowing

691
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: him to be immediately eligible then from the conference, then

692
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: the n C double. If the conference says okay, then

693
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: but the conference goes with whatever the school says, pretty

694
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: much always, and then the n C double A determines

695
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: whether that kid is eligible immediately So to back up,

696
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: so sometimes schools then say all right, we'll grant you,

697
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: will say that the conference can choose whether you will

698
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: be immediately eligible, and then the n C double A

699
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: if you go to X, Y and Z schools, we

700
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: won't allow you to go to these schools. So the

701
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: A C C is saying, listen, done with all that,

702
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: schools are gonna have to say yes. Conference is gonna

703
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: say yes, then it's gonna fly up the flagpole to

704
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: the n C double. Do you think this is a

705
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: good move? Because because as hard as you know, Larry

706
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Scott and some of these other pacts, what people have

707
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: been fighting against name, image and likeness, and they just

708
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: go with the party line instead of being willing to

709
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: be innovators. I don't see this. I don't see Larry

710
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Scott jumping on board with this. But do you like it?

711
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I I I need some

712
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: I need some convincing. You tell me you tell me

713
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: what you think. I like it, especially if it's adopted

714
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: nationally because it would do away with and then the

715
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: n C double A adopting it, because that would do

716
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: away with the inconsistencies with the transfers. You have a

717
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: kid like Justin Fields, who transfers from Georgia to Ohio

718
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: State because of playing time. It was clear, but he

719
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: applied for a waiver, hired a lawyer, all of this.

720
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: But then you have a kid leave Ohio State. I

721
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: think it went to West Virginia, a tight end, not

722
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: as meaningful of a position to a a not a

723
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: national power school. A family member sick within a hundred miles,

724
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: he lives his families from there, he's from there, all

725
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: of that not immediately not immediately eligible. And I think

726
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: that those kinds of discrepancies are what makes for problems.

727
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: And if you just have a one time transfer rule,

728
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: any other time you gotta sit out of here, we

729
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: don't care what the reason is, then I'm completely on

730
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: board with that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like transfers.

731
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: I like I like people to be um free to

732
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: make whatever decision they want to. I think that if

733
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: the n C double A is gonna say they're amateurs

734
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: and pound their chest, then they should treat them like

735
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: the regular students they are. And you know, if if

736
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: somebody is participating in student government or some other extracurricular

737
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: activity at one college and they want to do it

738
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: at the next one, there's nothing that keeps them out,

739
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: you know. And so if if they want to keep

740
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: things status quo, maybe that's something that they should float

741
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: as a concession, you know, and saying like, hey, um,

742
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: we were not going to get behind name, image and likeness,

743
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: but how about we let you play immediately wherever you

744
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: want to go whenever. I still don't love the idea

745
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: of transfers. Um, you know, I think that we've rapidly

746
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: moved past the idea, not just with kids, but with

747
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: coaches that people progress. You know, that people are different

748
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: their freshman year versus their red shirt senior year. And

749
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: because of the amount of money that's involved on the

750
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: coaching end, if you can't do something for me right now,

751
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't have time for you. So you have all

752
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: these coaches with all this money at stake that are

753
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: not developers. They're doing absolutely nothing for these kids. So

754
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: it does absolutely nothing for these kids to rot on

755
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: the bench wherever they're going to be at, because it's

756
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't become about how can I develop as a

757
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: player over the course of my time here, it's was

758
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: I part of the plan? Do I fit in the

759
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: system right now? If not, and that's the case immediately

760
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: that I might as well find a place where I do.

761
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: The problem with that is wherever they go next is

762
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: also probably just one year away from being in some

763
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: sort of transition as well. And so it's almost like

764
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: that whole thing of of the weather, Like you don't

765
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: like the weather today. Wait, you know, you never know

766
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: if things could work out in your favor if you

767
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: stick around. But people want to feel like they have

768
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: some sort of control, and so they look for what

769
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: might fit them best. And it's kind of shortsighted, you know,

770
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: a lot of these transfers. Obviously it's the and if

771
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: you're a quarterback or if you can get a waiver

772
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. But maybe just making it all allowable

773
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: might be a way to say, like, you know, we

774
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: recognize the fact that coaches um have sort of become

775
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: addicted to the lottery ticket that is this profession. Not

776
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: to say that a lot of them don't work as

777
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: hard or harder than anyone in any profession anywhere. Um,

778
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: But you know, if the carrot that was out there

779
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: available for me was millions of dollars, I might work

780
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: harder at this podcast, George. You know, but I think that,

781
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: you know, we have to recognize the fact that with

782
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: all the money in the system, we're failing the players

783
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: because the whole point is to develop them and make

784
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: them better, and the kids are just recognizing that that's

785
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: not happening, and that's causing them to seek what's best

786
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: for them elsewhere. And so everybody's feeding into what's kind

787
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: of a poison system. And it's very possible. I can't

788
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: guarantee it, it's very possible that if you just take

789
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: all the restrictions away, that there is some type of

790
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: course direction. Maybe that if everybody just has the freedom

791
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: to come and go, then maybe coaches will take the

792
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: next step and making sure that their players feel comfortable

793
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: in that system. And maybe there's a little bit more

794
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: of an equity of the power of a freshman who

795
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: is on scholarship as a head coach who is um

796
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: making eight nine million dollars a year. But I do

797
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: think that transfers to have a media eligibility should come

798
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: with some type of academic conditions. Um, Like, yes, you

799
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: can transfer if you have X g P A, if

800
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: you're on track with you like you have to be

801
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: actually you have to cater into the system somehow, Like

802
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: you can't transfer and have immediate eligibility unless you're actually

803
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: like passing classes. Right. I think that that to just

804
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: to be able to go somewhere and get a fresh

805
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: start because you've got a couple of f's, uh and

806
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: and and became ineligible, that that shouldn't be something that's

807
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: an option. Um. But yeah, I mean it's a big issue.

808
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: It's a huge issue. Um. I at the high school level,

809
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: when I cover high school football, when I always get

810
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: on people who who cry about all these transfers and

811
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: say like what does it matter to you? Who cares?

812
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: And then that gives me the reputation to somebody who's

813
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: pro transfer. I would prefer that nobody ever transferred at all, ever,

814
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: so that I don't have to hear your bitching. But

815
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: since they are transferring and I am hearing your bitching,

816
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: I gotta turn to you and say, like, is there

817
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: a way that I can get you to quit bitching, sir,

818
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: grown man is not affect you know. I'm not I'm

819
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: not pro transfer, but it's the reality we live in.

820
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: So we have to find a way to make the

821
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: system make more sense than it makes now. Because you know,

822
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and Tate Martell getting immediate eligibility while somebody

823
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: who has a family illness isn't getting a media eligibility.

824
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: That's insanity to me. I just don't understand it. I

825
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: totally agree with you, and they are, you know, on

826
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: a different path, and we will. I think that there's

827
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: going to be a a that all this transfer name,

828
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: image and likeness is going to come to a serious

829
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: head because the n C double A can lobby as

830
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: much as it wants to think that, there are enough

831
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: people in power who don't think that the system is

832
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: equitable enough that they're not going to go away and

833
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: get Gavin Newsom in California is not going away with this.

834
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, And there's a good chance there's

835
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: a good chance this whole thing just burns to the

836
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: ground in front of our faces. And there's a lot

837
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: of people who would be really, really sad about that happening.

838
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: But we all have to recognize it's very important to

839
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: recognize that this is a fun thing for entertainment that

840
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: greed kind of got the better of. And the n

841
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: C double A dying of fiery death is it would

842
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: be natural consequences essentially, like and I know that people

843
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: don't like it and they want things to kind of

844
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: remain the same and people don't like change. But the

845
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: truth is, you know, I always go back to that

846
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: line from from Batman where Anne Hathaway leans into Christian

847
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: Bale's ear and says, you know, you're gonna wonder how

848
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: you lived so large for so long without leaving anything

849
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: for the rest of us, Like there's a storm coming,

850
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: Mr Wayne, and it I think there's a really strong

851
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: possibility that we just end up reaping what we sewed

852
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,479
Speaker 1: and we watched something that we enjoyed for a really

853
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: long time come to a very very ugly demise, and

854
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with it. But I'm also I'm not

855
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: going to say that it's you know, it's it's not

856
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: life altering for me. This was a form and source

857
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: of entertainment that we should have done a better job

858
00:53:52,840 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: with shepherding years ago. Oh for sure, for this is

859
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: a case where people tried to fight it for so long.

860
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: The point in time that Ed O'Bannon got n C

861
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: Double A stopped being made by e A. At that

862
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: point in time, it's just said, and they won the case.

863
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the n C Double A has had five

864
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: years since I got a check from this case, so

865
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: they had time. So at at that point in time,

866
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: there should have been okay, hold up. But they have

867
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: a permanent home in Washington, d C. To a lobby

868
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, and they just thought that,

869
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, we got these people in our pocket. Won't

870
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: be a big deal. Everything will be okay. But it

871
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. Um. The n C Double A

872
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: draft of the n C Double A draft, NFL draft

873
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: is coming up, Ralph, and there are mock drafts out

874
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: and all of that, and right now there are only

875
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: two pack twelve players in the top twenty well, sorry,

876
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: in the top thirty two in a lot of the

877
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: UM draft, in the mock mock drafts and the three

878
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: and mel Kiper just came out with one. But he's

879
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: he's wrong. Sometimes I actually trust Topic Shade more UM

880
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: of those of the ESPN guys. But there are some

881
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: other obviously reputable sites who do really well, but obviously

882
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: the one person who's for sure going in the first round.

883
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: I think that every there's a consensus. I mean it

884
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: would be I mean like this would be a healthy

885
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: bowl Bowl not going in the first round type of

886
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: the type of catastrophe if Justin Herbert did not go

887
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: in the first round. Would you agree with that? Yeah?

888
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: I think Justin Herbert going in the first round is

889
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: says more about the nature and needs of NFL teams

890
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: as well, is the structure of contracts to where first

891
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: rounders don't cripple your entire financial situation anymore than it

892
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: does his potential ability to impact an NFL team from

893
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: the outside. Are you serious? Yeah, I don't think he's

894
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: I think that this year, and it's not just Justin Herbert,

895
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: but I think everybody. I think that the draft will

896
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: go down in history as one of the biggest quarterback

897
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: flame out drafts in the one Agree with you there, oh, Ralph,

898
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: We are on the same page. I don't believe in

899
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow like everybody does. Um like I, and honestly

900
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I do have some questions about Herbert. Don't believe in

901
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: easan obviously one at least one of them is going

902
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: to turn out to be good. I mean that the

903
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: kid Love from Utah State. There's a lot of core

904
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: backs in this draft, a lot of quarterbacks, And I'm

905
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm looking at him, and I'm like, who, Like,

906
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sold on anybody? Like who are you most

907
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: sold on? Because you could because you've got Joe Burrow

908
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: to a Justin Herbert Jordans loved Jake from Jalen Hurts,

909
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: Jacob Easton, and then it goes down to like Anthony

910
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: Gordon from Washington State, Tyler Huntley, Nate Stanley from Iowa,

911
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: like Jay Patterson from Michigan. Dude, Stephen Montes, this could

912
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: get bad. I hate it all I do like I do.

913
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: I do like Burrow, and I think he'll be okay.

914
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't um see him as being Uh.

915
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot more to Cincinnati than just

916
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback being able to go in and save them.

917
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: You know, people forget I don't know how people forget this,

918
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: but people forget how many times Andy Dalton led that

919
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: team to a competitive season and how it ultimately just

920
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: didn't matter because there weren't really the resources or culture.

921
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Their resources don't matter. Row stop saying, oh my god, Yeah,

922
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: but how many college degrees did the members of the

923
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals have? That should be really the thing that

924
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: we that we that we measured. But yeah, so I

925
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: think that of that group, you know, he's probably got

926
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: the best shot to maybe go on and have a

927
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: future pro bowler. Two. Um, I I don't think he's

928
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: the next coming of quarterback Jesus. And we we just

929
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: came off of a situation where, you know, so many

930
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks came out in the last two years and

931
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: and sort of a model was set up for how

932
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: you could be successful in the NFL as a quarterback

933
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: through some of the things that Lamar Jackson is doing,

934
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray is doing, and just being a dual threat.

935
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: You don't have to have the best arm in the

936
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: higher world. And then what happens, George, they don't even

937
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: invite Bryce Perkins from Virginia to the Combine. Wow, he

938
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: doesn't even get a Combine invite. And he took the

939
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: University of Virginia to an Orange Bowl. Uh, and so

940
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, uh I And even then, I you know,

941
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: I think that Bryce Perkins. Definitely, it's gonna be a

942
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: big wake up calling, a big adjustment to you know,

943
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: whatever he ends up doing in the NFL. I just

944
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not super impressed with this entire group and Justin

945
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Herbert being the number one rated player to come out

946
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: of the pack twelve. You know, that's a lot of

947
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: pressure on a guy who you and I saw um

948
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: not really do anything spectacular and a lot of you know,

949
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: who he was as a player was kind of dependent

950
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: on how he'd used his athleticism, which is something that

951
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: you can really exploit at the college level and maybe

952
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: not so much as a pro. If they want to

953
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: have Justin Herbert out there running, I'm all for it.

954
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: If they want to treat him like Josh Allen, I'm

955
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: all for that. But you know, are they going to

956
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: It depends on what team he ends up with. Yeah,

957
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: I think with with with him, I think that there's

958
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: some questions only because the offense was so bad. I mean, like, well,

959
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: I shouldn't shouldn't say bad. It was very inconsistent like that,

960
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: they weren't very good on third down, and but then

961
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: Herbert goes off and plays really well at the Senior Bowl,

962
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: all these things like, so it's just and then one

963
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: of the years Oregon didn't have any wide wide receivers.

964
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: It's just I think that there were some fact there's

965
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: some reasons that he had inconsistency as opposed to just

966
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: it just being all on on him, which leads to

967
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: way more question marks. But to only have two players

968
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: projected in the first round with Justin Herbert and Easton

969
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: and Easton may not even make the first first round,

970
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: but some some people do have Lubiska should not put

971
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: possibly getting in Austin Jackson from USC obviously depends on

972
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: how he tests. But yeah, and then you got uh,

973
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: I K I've seen the Arizona statewide receiver potentially in

974
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: the first round, but we will see. But this is

975
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: the type of thing that factors into recruiting. You need

976
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: to put guys in the league the way you can

977
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: have a selling point for that. Yeah, uh do you?

978
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: I I got a couple of questions for you. Uh.

979
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: Levisco Chanel obviously had his his injury issues. Um, there

980
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: are some people that believe that Brandon I you could

981
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: be taken above him. I'm not one of them. Who

982
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: who would you take the six ft two ten pound

983
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: guy that can run a four four or the six

984
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: pound guy that you can use in any position on

985
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: the field. I like Chennault and and and the reason why,

986
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, I k is very explosive, He's fast,

987
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: it over the top, all these things. The thing I

988
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: like about Channault with the NFL game, he's a good

989
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: route runner, big body, catches the ball. Well. You can

990
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: move him inside, outside, hand him the ball, he'll throw it.

991
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean you can. You can Swiss army knife wide

992
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: receiver this guy. And the thing I like about him

993
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: is that he was hurt, but it was clear that

994
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: football was very important to him because he could have

995
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: sat down. He could have sat out games no problem

996
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: and still been in the same position he is now.

997
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: But he chose not to do that. He chose to

998
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: ball out. So and you you always get extra credit

999
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: for me when it comes to that. So I and

1000
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: then there are two other things that I'm just looking

1001
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: at this right now. They say that Austin Jackson could

1002
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: be the first offensive lineman from the pack twelve off

1003
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: the board, and I like him in the first round.

1004
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: But and I know I've known Austin Jackson for years.

1005
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, we talk every once in a while. He's

1006
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: a great dude. This is nothing against him, but it's

1007
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: hard to be an NFL like ready tackle in year one.

1008
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: I would draft him late in the first maybe early

1009
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: in the second, and I would immediately move him inside

1010
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: so that he can play from day one. And then

1011
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: if if if you feel like he's getting to the

1012
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: point where he could play some tackle, you know, go

1013
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: ahead and move him out there. But maybe if you

1014
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: have some depth, you don't need him to come in

1015
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: and start right away. But I think that if you

1016
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: want to get this guy on the field immediately, UM,

1017
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: try try to move him in. That's just I don't know,

1018
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: that's just me. And then the guy that I think

1019
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: UM is maybe being slept on a little bit, who

1020
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it is going to have a lot

1021
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: of NFL success is you know this thing you sent

1022
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: me has UM has Troy Die rated as maybe the

1023
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: last pick of the second round, maybe early third round.

1024
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: And I think that Troy Die has fantastic NFL prospects.

1025
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: I think that he'll be he could be a very

1026
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: very good pro. Yeah. Yeah, he his game lends itself

1027
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: to the NFL as long as as long as he

1028
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: can take on a lot of the blocks and all

1029
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: that stuff. But linebackers who can run cover in space

1030
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: are always are always look for in the NFL. And

1031
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: he'll get a chance to play a lot on special

1032
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: teams because he could run. He's a guy that if

1033
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't contribute immediately, could have a long career just

1034
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: off the fact that he'll be playing special teams a lot,

1035
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: and so that's always good. Um, We'll be interesting to

1036
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: see where Jalen Johnson, the cornerback from Utah goes Um

1037
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: and Lucky Foe to the defensive lineman from Utah as

1038
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: well Bradley and I and m Yeah, and the pack

1039
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: twelve all time tackling, well not all time, but one

1040
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: of the he let the conference a couple of years

1041
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: Evan Weaver. Yeah, so it will. It will be in dressing.

1042
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: But but the guy that I want to see get

1043
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: a legit shot is Joshua Kelly from U C. L A.

1044
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't know why I like that kid so much.

1045
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: Every time I watched me, runs good between the tackles,

1046
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: all of that, and I think that will translate to

1047
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: the NFL. So I'm glad you brought his name up

1048
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: because of everybody on here. I think that you could

1049
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: get him maybe fifth round and he'd be an absolute steal. Yeah. Yeah,

1050
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: he's He's a guy that running back goes down in

1051
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: front of him and then he puts up a two

1052
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: hundred yard rushing day and you're like on your fantasy team.

1053
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: But where the hell this dude comes from? That's Joshua Kelly. Um.

1054
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: I think Jacob Brilan from Oregon to tight end. I

1055
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: think he will actually have a good NFL career. Um.

1056
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: But but Arizona State, they may have lost their best

1057
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: player from last year in their punter. Michael. Yeah, it's

1058
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: always nice and a red shirt sophomore punter declares early.

1059
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: But I mean you, you and I are on the

1060
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: same page with him. He's not gonna have a better year. No,

1061
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: it would be impossible for him to have a better year,

1062
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: and and and and if he did, he should have

1063
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 1: went in the draft the year before. Right. He's got

1064
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: the family name, um um, Michael Turt that that uncle?

1065
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah he yeah, No, he's got the NFL connections.

1066
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: And this is a dude who like didn't even punt

1067
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: at first when he first started going to college, and

1068
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: then he figured it out. And went to Arizona State,

1069
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: chase their punter out, got himself a scholarship and then yeah,

1070
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, good for him. I'd be very interested

1071
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: to see um if he ends up getting drafted. If not,

1072
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's getting a camp invite and he's definitely

1073
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna make someone very very nervous job for sure. Yeah.

1074
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: If that dude comes in, comes in camp, and you're

1075
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's got a high cap number, you're like, well,

1076
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: all right, hey, hey, do you guys wanted to just

1077
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: cut me now? And they're gonna say, I know, just

1078
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: in case he gets hurt or or he turns out

1079
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: to be like the kid from UM Florida State who

1080
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: who you know who couldn't kick fiel Go. Yeah, yeah,

1081
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: I do too. Uh. The last thing we got up

1082
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: today is the n C Double A. Well, March Madness

1083
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: is coming up, but first the Pack twelve tournament is

1084
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: coming up, and and women's that's about the conference looks great.

1085
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: Everybody's excited about Oregon U C l A, who I

1086
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: watched play. They play really hard on defense. I like

1087
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: watching it watching them play. Arizona State is obviously good.

1088
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: Stanford just one a last second, but before we get

1089
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: to them, the men, Ralph the Man. I just like

1090
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: the only two ranked teams played this week Oregon in Colorado,

1091
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: Oregon one, this time in Eugene. After losing in Colorado

1092
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: where they can't win. I thought we may get six

1093
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: pack twelve teams in the tournament, and now I see

1094
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: that's not how well, how about the there's there's only

1095
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: one game difference between the first place team and the

1096
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: sixth place team in the back twelve right now. Obviously

1097
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: tie breakers would have to factor in and everything like that.

1098
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: But Colorado is nine and four and u c L

1099
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: as eight and five. U c l A is currently

1100
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: six in the conference. So this week is ridiculously important

1101
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,919
Speaker 1: for Pac twelve basketball. Right now, Arizona is in tie

1102
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: for third with Arizona State, and that's who Oregon has

1103
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: this week. And Oregon is currently in a tie essentially

1104
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: a tie for first. I think they might even have

1105
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker over Colorado and so and so you have

1106
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: Oregon in the tie for first playing the two teams

1107
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: that are in its I for third, So I mean

1108
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: and on the road, Colorado is currently in a tie

1109
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: for first, and they're playing the teams that are in

1110
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: a tie for five at home in usc in u

1111
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: c l A. They got to make sure that they

1112
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: win those games to be able to stay on top

1113
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: of it. So, I mean, this could not be a

1114
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 1: more exciting time. What's crazy is we could literally see

1115
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: u c l A. If things go bad for Oregon

1116
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: in Colorado, we could see u c l A vaults

1117
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: near the top. And this is the team that's fifteen

1118
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: and eleven right now. And so this is ah, this

1119
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: is a hell of a week four Pack twelve basketball, um,

1120
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, and the teams that kind of look

1121
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: good right now is it seems like Arizona is kind

1122
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: of figuring things out Arizona. Arizona State just got their

1123
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: first road sweep since hiring Bobby Hurley five years ago.

1124
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: So they've never had a Pack twelve roads road sweep

1125
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: before this last weekend when they Stanford. Yeah, they split

1126
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: every time, every single time, and so, um, maybe they're

1127
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: getting hot at the right time. Remy Martin was just

1128
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: named Pack twelve Player of the Week along with Zeke Naji. Um. Yeah,

1129
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: but this is the probably the biggest weekend for the

1130
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: l A schools, you know, and then you have teams

1131
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: that are kind of holding on for dear life. Like Stanford,

1132
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: Stanford is in a position where they have to win

1133
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: out the Pack twelve tournament starts now basically, oh for

1134
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: oh for sure. I don't think anybody expected, you know,

1135
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: I think people expected Oregon or Arizona and will Oregon

1136
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: at Arizona to kind of run away with the conference

1137
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: and for one of them to win it. But I

1138
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: mean everybody is within Yeah, like you said, at the

1139
01:10:55,439 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: top six teams are within one game. And when you

1140
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: look at the bracketology right right now, they have Colorado, Oregon,

1141
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: and Arizona all five seeds, and then you've got Arizona

1142
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: State and USC as eleven seeds, with USC having a

1143
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: play in game. Um, can't Can we try to keep

1144
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve teams off the playing like line? That

1145
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: would be nice because those teams are tough. Everybody's everybody's tough.

1146
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: But you like, stylistically, you can run into some issues there. Uh,

1147
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: here's I'm a surprised you with the topic that we

1148
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: didn't talk about beforehand. Um, but I just want to

1149
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: get your take on it because there's a little bit

1150
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: of a tiff in PAC twelve women's basketball right now

1151
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: because the Oregon State head coach um whose name is

1152
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: escaping me right now. I'm trying to look it up,

1153
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: but he's been making comments recently about a few of

1154
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,919
Speaker 1: the different teams, kind of calling them bullies and overly

1155
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: physical and uh he called he called the Arizona State

1156
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: women's team football players, um, which I which I thought

1157
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: was was interesting. And I'm again I'm trying to look

1158
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: up his um his name right now, but uh, Arizona

1159
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: State actually complained to the conference about his comments, and

1160
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: I just I found that to be incredibly fascinating, cause

1161
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: organized Scott Scott Rooke. Yes, yes, So he made some

1162
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: comments recently that basically said like, look, anytime we we

1163
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: play against Arizona or Arizona State, you know, they're just

1164
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: more physical than us, and we have to play a

1165
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: game that we're not necessarily used to and they're like

1166
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: football players out there. You know, they're super aggressive and

1167
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: they push and and all that and yeah, yeah, oh

1168
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: the players are playing too rough. Oh can you can

1169
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: you protect us? We're college athletes, but we need to

1170
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: protect their teams were so soft and thinky and gentle.

1171
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is sports. Like if if I were

1172
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: the other team schools. I would be like, yes, I

1173
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: love it, thank you. Oh oh, so you're saying our

1174
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: teams are tougher than yours, more physical than yours. That's

1175
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: your fault, coach, if you don't make your team tough.

1176
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: Because coaches, teams take on the personality of their coach

1177
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: for the most part. Occasionally there are some weird teams

1178
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: where you get some weird roster stuff, but for the

1179
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: most part, it's the coach. Well, and if you're a

1180
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: cry baby, then your team is gonna be a cry baby. Well.

1181
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be too hard on Scott

1182
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: Route because we know how he feels about being hard

1183
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: on his evil but I I want to read use

1184
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: exact comments because first of all, they he made the

1185
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: comments before they played Arizona State, and then that ended

1186
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: up being one of the craziest games of the season

1187
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: where a s u was up to with like I

1188
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: don't know one second left and Oregon State scored, and

1189
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: then a s U inbounded the ball to nobody, and

1190
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: then Oregon States scored with four tenths of a second

1191
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: left to win six sixty two. So just absolutely crazy

1192
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: game where they end up getting the win. But before

1193
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: the game. He said, the Sun Devils play football. That's

1194
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: what they do. It's an absolute blood bath when you

1195
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: play them. You either rise to it and play tougher

1196
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: and harder than them, or they push you around. And

1197
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: uh that it seems kind of aggressive. Um, And what

1198
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Turner Thorn, a s US coach, said is like

1199
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: that that's disrespectful and insulting to our team. Uh. We

1200
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: contacted their administration. We're in your conference, and he said,

1201
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: the irony of it is that people want to complain

1202
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: about us, but we're probably one of the least physical

1203
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 1: teams that I've ever coached. I wish we were more physical.

1204
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: We aren't. We're small, we're skinny, and we try to

1205
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: play hard. I don't even get it. And then she

1206
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: said that she makes she makes her players right by

1207
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: hand fifty times if they ever foul a jump shooter.

1208
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 1: I will never, ever, ever, ever ever foul a juctor.

1209
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: She makes them write it on paper by hand. And

1210
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: they're like complain about their hands cramping and stuff. So

1211
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: she said, like she she works really hard to make

1212
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: sure they're not like overly aggressive in in situations when

1213
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: they're not. But then uh uh he this is what

1214
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: Scott Rooke had to say about University of Arizona. He said,

1215
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: it's been extremely physical, which is a concern. It goes

1216
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: against everything we have been taught and trained to do.

1217
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: We're supposed to prepare a team to play based off

1218
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 1: rules and videos that everybody is supposed to play by.

1219
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: That's what I expect. If that doesn't happen, what are

1220
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 1: we doing? Oh god, dude, dude, he is just ultimate

1221
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: cry cry baby and he clearly didn't see Oregon play

1222
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: U c l A. If you saw that, so Oregon

1223
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: was blowing the doors off for you, say, a up

1224
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: twenty at halftime and U c l A turned something

1225
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: moing on defense. Dude, you this is This was the

1226
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: most physical women's game I've ever seen, or well well

1227
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 1: seen in a long time at least dude, you see

1228
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: LA It was like they were running Nolan Richardson's forty

1229
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: minutes of Hell at at Arkansas. They were pushing, jumping,

1230
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: bold pass on length all of that. Some games are

1231
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna be like that, and to man that that's one

1232
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,879
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I'm a fan of women's sports,

1233
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: is like they are physical and they play really hard,

1234
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've kind of gotten jaded with,

1235
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: you know, the amount of money. That's why the NBA

1236
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: All Star Game, the fourth quarter of the NBA All

1237
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Star Game was one of the most fun I've had

1238
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 1: watching basketball, non playoff basketball at the professional level in forever,

1239
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: because you're seeing all these guys that make thirty million

1240
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: dollars a year play there asses off, and it was

1241
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: sort of disjointed because they're not used to each other

1242
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: and they're not used to everybody playing that hard in

1243
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: the first place. But like I I stood for the

1244
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: entire fourth quarter. Even my my wife, who has kind

1245
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: of gotten jaded on the NBA as well, she came

1246
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: in and we were just like standing in front of

1247
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: the TV watching it. We were getting goose bumps talking

1248
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: about it right now. And and one of the reasons

1249
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan of women's sports is that

1250
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: fourth quarter is like the first quarter of of of

1251
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 1: U c l A. Loyola mare Amount in the middle

1252
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: of November. Like they just play hard, and I like that,

1253
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, I I like to watch people go all out,

1254
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: and I feel like the women's game, especially packed twelve basketball,

1255
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: and you know which I which I pay quite a

1256
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: bit of attention to They are going hard all the time,

1257
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: and so it's just this this Scott Route guy. Can

1258
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: he just needs to shut up? See see. And then

1259
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: I just looked at the standings. They fall into sixth

1260
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: in the conference. There seven and seven. They're still ranked

1261
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: number fifteen in the country, but they've lost three straight games,

1262
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe they should be a little more physical. Yeah,

1263
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing like what what what are we

1264
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: crying about? What are we complaining about? This is super

1265
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: lamee super super super lane. Um, and you know, yeah,

1266
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: I got nothing for for them, but um yeah, so

1267
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: who do you expect to win the Pactwell, I'm the

1268
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: Pact Wealth Tournament row. We talked about on the last

1269
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: Pop Pop podcast where I said that whoever gets to

1270
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: buy because um, because we hadn't seen teams go on

1271
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: long winning street weeks. But now we do have two

1272
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: teams with three game Well, you you wouldn't need a

1273
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: four game winning streak if you don't have a first

1274
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: round by so, but the only team that has a

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: five game winning streaking in conference right now is Arizona State.

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01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: They won five straight games. Okay, so let me just

1277
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: come out and say not them. They will they're not.

1278
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: I can't. All I can do is point out stuff

1279
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: that I see wrong with how flawed some of these

1280
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: teams are at the top. First of all, I don't

1281
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: think Oregon is gonna win the back to All the tournament.

1282
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: They played fire way too much, way too much. The

1283
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: fact that Oregon won the game against Colorado was nuts.

1284
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: Like that was the first time that I felt like,

1285
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: all right, Oregon won a game that they probably should

1286
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: have lost. They lost a few that they should have won. Uh.

1287
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, USC point guard play

1288
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: not great. Um, but they're super talented, and I feel

1289
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: like maybe they have the best chance. But then I

1290
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: watched teams consistently beat them when there they that they

1291
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: should be more competitive and they should be good. I

1292
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: love the defense that they play, especially in the second half,

1293
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: but their offense is just horrid sometimes. And so I

1294
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: feel like, okay, so it can't be them. Um. Arizona

1295
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: State just isn't their talent wise, they're not their consistency wise.

1296
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: And we're talking about they just had their first back

1297
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: to back road wins. You know, they had their first

1298
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: road sweep. You expect them to go to the pack

1299
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: twelve tournament and double that. No, it's not gonna happen.

1300
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: So and then and then that leaves the University of

1301
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 1: Arizona by far the most talented team. But then Sean

1302
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: Miller is their coach and I don't trust him at all,

1303
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: so I don't. I can't. I'm sitting here saying no

1304
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: to everybody, but somebody has to win it. And so

1305
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: right now, and I mean, this is, this is putting

1306
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: way more of my chips in with Andy Endfield than

1307
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: I'd ever be comfortable doing. But I feel like, right now,

1308
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm I like USC. And we'll see there's five more,

1309
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: six more games for some of the teams, uh that

1310
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: they have to play. Um, So maybe I'll feel differently

1311
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: later on, but as of right now, if I had

1312
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: to pick anyone that I feel like matches up best

1313
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: and plays the best defense, um, I'm I'm saying USC.

1314
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: But they gotta make shots and they haven't been doing that. Yeah,

1315
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: totally totally agree with you there, I do. There's no

1316
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: more stressful thing than watching Oregon's men's basketball team win

1317
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: and want them and wanting them to win because every

1318
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: game is close. Just every game is close. It's just unbelievable. Um. Yeah,

1319
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: so I'll stick with what I said. Whoever, whoever finishes

1320
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: with the number one and number two seed, which are

1321
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna get buys. I think that they can win three

1322
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: straight games. Anybody else no chance because they can't win

1323
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: four straight games. So I'm gonna so right now my

1324
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: picks are the same as last week, Oregon in Colorado,

1325
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: and then if Arizona slides in there, and then I'll

1326
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: pick them Arizona State slides in there, and then now

1327
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: I guess I'll pick them too. Yeah, but I gotta

1328
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: get I guess I gotta. I've been sleeping on Colorado.

1329
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: I'll admit it, I've I I am full on and

1330
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't have You know, I've got a reason for

1331
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: everybody else why I don't think they'll win, and for

1332
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: me that the Colorado is just it's a talent issue.

1333
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: And so you know that there coached really, really well.

1334
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: They absolutely deserve to be where they're at right now,

1335
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: and I should be paying more attention to them and

1336
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: I should be heaping more praise on them, but for

1337
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: some reason, I just can't. Okay, So is there any

1338
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: way to the pack twelve wins the national championship this year. No,

1339
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Um what what they really really

1340
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,520
Speaker 1: really really need. What would be very important for this conference,

1341
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: you know, because there are other things that are more

1342
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: important than resources, George, is to have a couple of

1343
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: teams at least in the round of thirty two. And

1344
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: I think that that's feasible. But if you if, if

1345
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: we're looking at this conference right now and having a

1346
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 1: hard time picturing a Pack twelve champion, like wrap your

1347
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: head around winning at all. Yeah, but but but but

1348
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Ralph is just good to be in the conversation. And

1349
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, resources recruits. Remember when Larry Scott, Remember when

1350
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: Larry Scott said it's better to be in a bowl

1351
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: game than to win it. Here, here's the here, here's

1352
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the truth. Bro. And I'm and I mean this with

1353
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: all my heart. I love the Pack twelve and I

1354
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: defend the Pack twelve. I am at a point where

1355
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:59,839
Speaker 1: I am I am losing like some of my fervorent

1356
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm losing some of my because they say things that

1357
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: are indefensible, George, George, that's because you can't just see

1358
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: the complexity of what they're trying to do. Call me

1359
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 1: then then I may have to jump on the simple

1360
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: minded band train, and I see a scenario where the

1361
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: pack twelve could break up. I mean, I if you're Oregon,

1362
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: you USC don't you have to be looking at this

1363
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: or even U C l A or you know, like

1364
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: who are the three biggest names in the conference right

1365
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: right now? And Stanford is really good in a bunch

1366
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: of sports too. I don't you have to be considering like, uh,

1367
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: is there a better way right now? I mean, yeah,

1368
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure there. We're gonna get to a point at

1369
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: the end of next year because Oregon States President is retiring,

1370
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I believe to where Gene Block of you, C. L

1371
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: A and Michael Crowe are the only presidents who were

1372
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: there when Larry Scott was hired. You know, so you're

1373
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna have ten presidents probably knocking the door down to

1374
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: say like, hey, why are we standing by this guy

1375
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: just because you hired him? Well, don't take credit for

1376
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: the next guy you hire. If credit, then find another

1377
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: thing to take credit for. There's a reason why CEOs

1378
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: of companies don't stay in place for forever. They come

1379
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: during times, then they leave their peacetime CEOs wartime CEO.

1380
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: Then there's a couple of people who can do both.

1381
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: You need a wartime CEO right now. Larry Scott is

1382
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: not a wartime guy. No, And you know, I made

1383
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: the joke about the whole complexity thing, but that that's

1384
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: the thing to me that I just want to leave

1385
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: this podcast with pointing out the fact that you know,

1386
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: people are frustrated with the Pack twelve about the money issue. Yeah,

1387
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: but that doesn't affect my day to day really, and

1388
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't really affect your day to day. We see

1389
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: it in things like Melt Tucker leaving and Jamar Kane leaving,

1390
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: and Tony White leaving, and you know, and and and

1391
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: other conferences being able to pay more for the same

1392
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: exact position and give more to assistance. We see that

1393
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: and we feel that pain. But for the most part, George,

1394
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: we just want to be able to watch these damn

1395
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: games on television. And you fish around, Yeah, fish around,

1396
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: Drive around to a bar and get there in the

1397
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: middle of the first quarter. Because the first two places

1398
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: we stopped at didn't have Packed twelve network. Than by

1399
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: the time that we get to bar three that has

1400
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: Packed twelve network. Other fans of other teams have already

1401
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: set up shop and they've already got the good TVs

1402
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: tune to the games that they want to watch. You

1403
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: know that that's that's the life of a Peck twelve fan.

1404
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 1: That's the life of uh, the simpleton, the dissatisfied simpleton,

1405
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: you know. To them, yeah, you know, it's not about resources.

1406
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: It's just about being able to turn the damn game

1407
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: on so that they can watch it and enjoy it

1408
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: and that and that's you know, that's really what it

1409
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 1: is at its core. And to insult those people for

1410
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: just wanting to be able to enjoy it when the

1411
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: person that you put in charge all those years ago

1412
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: hasn't done what he can to make sure that it's

1413
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: available to the most people. You know, the fact that

1414
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve hasn't just given it away for free

1415
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: to anybody who wants it. The PAC twelve Network two

1416
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: then possibly renegotiate two years down the line. The fact

1417
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: that they haven't gone to those lengths to put this

1418
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: product in front of people yet is absolutely infuriating. But hey,

1419
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't understand the complexity, I guess yep, Hey,

1420
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: you you are a simpleton just like me, apparently, um

1421
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: to two things of note, before we get out of

1422
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: here is um um. Arizona State hired a new defensive analysts,

1423
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: former Oregon UH safety sized Rover Canadian Football League player.

1424
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: But most importantly he was is like one of the

1425
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,839
Speaker 1: people higher up at the opening and if a national

1426
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 1: recruiting guy. He knows every kid from around the country

1427
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: who is supposedly highest ranked in you know, all the camps,

1428
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: local camps. So not only does it do the national

1429
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: camp like the big like the opening, he does all

1430
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: the regional ones too. And that's Michael Fletcher. He's now

1431
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: on Arizona State staff, which was huge. I mean that's

1432
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: a get. I mean that's like, that's a Dante Williams

1433
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: like get for Arizona State, which is doing a fabulous

1434
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: job recruiting. Yeah, Dante Williams. We brought him up in

1435
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: the last podcast and said, you know, he's gonna go

1436
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: to the highest bidder, and the highest bider ended up

1437
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: being USC. I guess yeah. I read that his dad

1438
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 1: being sick has something to do with it, but we'll see. Um.

1439
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: And also Oregon hired this guy named Cooper Cooper uh

1440
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Pintaga pin Tagna. He was from the University of Washington,

1441
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: which is Washington fans can't be super excited about Uh.

1442
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: He's they hired him as a recruiting analyst for the

1443
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: football program and he was at Washington. And before Washington,

1444
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: he was at Well. At Washington, he was director of

1445
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: player of Personnel and they say he was instrumental in

1446
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: helping them sign their recruiting class. And mind you, for

1447
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: next year, there are a bunch of recruits out of

1448
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: the state of Washington that are super highly ranked. And

1449
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: before that he was at Michigan. What did you say, Ralph,

1450
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Some of my favorite recruits are are are Washington residents,

1451
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it'll be really interesting to see how

1452
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: all that works itself out. I will be at the

1453
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: under Armor Regional to see some of the recruits from

1454
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the Southwest. Uh, coming up this Sunday, and then next week, uh,

1455
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 1: the week after that, we might you and I might

1456
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: actually have the opportunity to do a live in person podcast.

1457
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Will be out in l A for three days for

1458
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: the Rivals campaign. Combine in l A. Okay, perfect, perfect,

1459
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: perfect perfect? All right? Well, thank you guys for listening

1460
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. We appreciate your time,

1461
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Thank you for listening to the Pack

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01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: twelve Apostles. Um, please share with the friend, tell a

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01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: friend about the Pack twelve Apostles, and uh suit us

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01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: an email if you what. We are going to be

1465
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: making some improvements to the podcast, making it even better,

1466
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: getting more content for you guys. Peace out, catch you

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01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: guys later