1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey Brightside Besties, Hello Sunshine. Today on the bright Side, journalist, 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: TV host and best selling author Brooke Baldwin shares how 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: leaving CNN after thirteen years helped her find her voice 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: and where her journey on self discovery has taken her. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, May twenty ninth. I'm Danielle Robe. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: And I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: from Hello Sunshine. All Right, We've got some fantastic news 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: for all of our Reese's book Club besties. So in 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: addition to our monthly Reese's book Club picks, we're going 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: to be sharing even more recommendations. Reese is teaming up 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: with her adorable nieces Abby and Draper to share YA picks. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: If you don't know what YA stands for, that means 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: young adult, one of my favorite genres. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: Me too. 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: And with that news, the summer YA pick has officially 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: been announced and it is Twelfth Night by Alexin Ferrell Falmouth. 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Twelfth Night is a YA romantic and a coming of 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: age story about taking up space in the world and 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 1: learning what it means to let others in. This sounds 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: like something I definitely need to read. I think it's 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: worth mentioning too that the book has some not so 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: subtle nods to Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, so same character names, 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: but with a modern plot. 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: We got to show love to the author of Twelfth Night, 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: Alexi and Farrell Faalmuth is a first generation American, a 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: romance enthusiast, and she has actually written a number of 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: science fiction fantasy projects under the pen name Olivi Blake 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 2: Ooh Mysterious right, including the international bestseller The Atlas Six. 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: This is intriguing. I'm excited for this. And you know, 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: even though YA is labeled young adults, we love YA 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: love They're really fun to read. I feel like this 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: book spans generations. And I do want to note that 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: if you have not seen Reese's video with her Nieces 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: announcing this extension of the book Club, it's really really cute. 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: But this got me thinking about some of my favorite 36 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: movies that you might not know were actually shakespeare inspired. 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: So do you want to play a little games, Simon? 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: I would love to a little Shakespearean rough runce. Are 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: you ready? 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: Let's go gla. 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you two movies. One of them 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: is Shakespearean inspired. Okay, that's my Shakespeare voice is a 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: good That was a lot. Okay. Ten Things I Hate 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: about You or She's All That, which one was inspired 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: by Taming of the Shrew. 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: Ten Things I Hate about You? I actually know this one. 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they have like a lot of Shakespeare references 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: in that movie. 49 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: Should I do it in a Shakespeare voice? 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: Sure? Please? 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: Jungle Book or Lion King, which one was based on Hamelot. 53 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Jungle Book. 54 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: M whish I could do more noises with my voice? 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: Or Lion King. I could not believe that was inspired 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: by Hamlet. I did not know. 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: I'm so entertained by all the sounds that are coming 58 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: out of your mouth right now. 59 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Okay, how about She's the Man with Amanda Binds. Oh, 60 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: bring it on? 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: Oh? I mean bring it on is one of my 62 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: all time faves. That feels Shakespearean to me. Bring it on? 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it actually does. But it's She's the Man. 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: It was inspired by Twelfth Night. 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm learning so much today. 66 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Okay. Last one, I haven't seen this, but you liked 67 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: this movie The Sydney Sweeney Anyone but You or No 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: Strings Attached, which one was based on much Ado about nothing. 69 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: Wait, give me a little refresher on no strings attached? 70 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: Who's in that one? 71 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: That's Natalie Portman got it and Ashton Kutcher got it 72 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: and they're like hooking up and that was like the 73 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: whole millennial hookup culture movie. 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: I feel like I remember hearing something about the Sydney 75 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: Sweeney Glen Powell and anyone, but you some going to 76 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: go with that? 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you did really well? 78 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: Nice. I got what like two out of four snaps 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: for someone? You know what's interesting. 80 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: About three out of four? That's a C plus. 81 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: Wow. 82 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: That's I mean better five percent better than I did 83 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: in a lot of my college classes. Does any of 84 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: this inspire you to go back and read some Shakespeare? 85 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: No, because I just have flashbacks of high school where 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: I would I had to read so much Shakespeare, and 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: they're beautiful stories, but I much prefer an adaptation that 88 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: I understand. 89 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: I feel you on that. You know, my dad recently 90 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: has been reading a lot of period fiction, Like he's 91 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: read Jane Eyre and Pride and Prejudice, and like he's 92 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: going back and rereading all these classics work than Shakespeare. 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: You didn't ask me that question. 94 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: I just I want to revisit the classics. 95 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: I think, okay, I'm with you on that. 96 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 97 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: And we're really in for a treat because the author 98 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: Alexine will be joining us next month, so be sure 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: to read along with us and send your questions to 100 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Hello at the bright Side podcast dot com. And tomorrow 101 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: we're talking with May's book Club Pick. 102 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: Yes, author Julien Kwang is here to talk about her 103 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: book How to End a Love Story. It was so good, 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: we both love it so much. And after the break, 105 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: Brooke Baldwin is here to talk about her life after 106 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: CNN and why she's leaning into her bad girl era. Y'all, 107 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: welcome back, Bestie's all right on the show Today, we've 108 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: got someone who has redefined reinvention again and again. Brooke 109 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: Baldwin spent more than two decades in the news business, 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: including many years as one of the most recognizable and 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: respected faces at CNN. I'm sure you watched a lot 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: of her there, like I did, Danielle. I have been 113 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: watching from afar as Brook pivots from this celebrated news 114 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: anchor career into a rich and meaningful second act, and 115 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: I'm so curious. I can't wait to talk to her 116 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: about it today. It's been really inspiring to watch her. 117 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: She describes this pivot as her unraveling. So in addition 118 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: to her work as a journalist, Brooke is the best 119 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: selling author of the book Huddle, How Women Unlock their 120 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: Collective Power, and the host of the Netflix reality series 121 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: The Trust. She's written extensively about her exit from the 122 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: network and, in my opinion, very movingly about her journey 123 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: to self discovery. So we're lucky she's here with us 124 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: now to talk more about it. Brooke, thank you for 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: joining the bright Side. 126 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: Hello Daniel Simon, it's so good to be here. 127 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: We're so happy to have you Brooke. 128 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: I want to start with a piece that you recently 129 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: wrote for Vanity Fair. You titled it Leaving CNN was 130 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: how I found my voice, and people speculated on why 131 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: you left. They thought it may be the chaos of 132 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: the pandemic or Trump coverage on the network. But you've 133 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: called this process you're unraveling. I've never heard anybody use 134 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: that term. I really like it. For those who haven't 135 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: read your piece yet, will you explain what you mean 136 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: by unraveling. 137 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 4: Essentially, what I mean by unraveling, which is what I 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 4: wrote at the very end. You know, at first you 139 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: think unraveling means like coming apart right or maybe finding 140 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: the truth. And for me, what I realized in the 141 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 4: end is it's both. 142 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: When did the unraveling start? 143 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: Ooh, let me think back to when that man came 144 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: down the escalator in Trump Tower. That was twenty fifteen, 145 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 4: when he declared his candidacy for president. I would say 146 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 4: my unraveling happened somewhere between him winning and the first 147 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: probably month being at the Women's March, seeing all the 148 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: women showing up in ways I had never seen before 149 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: in my twenty year career and realizing, oh shit, I 150 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: think I'm one of them. 151 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: It was no longer aligned after that. Yeah. 152 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like you knew something was going to 153 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: change at that point. But at the same time, we 154 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: also had no idea how much it was going. 155 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: To change, right, We had no idea. I mean we 156 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: were all covering the twenty sixteen election. I mean, no 157 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: one had ever seen someone like that man. Do we 158 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: need to say his name? Do we all know? Okay, 159 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: that man running for president? We all remember the October 160 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: surprise where he liked to grab women. Everyone thought it 161 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: would be impossible for that person to then be elected 162 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: president alas the joke was on us, you know, I mean, listen, 163 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: we were blindsided and we shouldn't have been. 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: You know. 165 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: I remember sitting with some of the Trump sons at 166 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: another meeting before the election. They were pointing out in 167 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: the Midwest, how all these Trump sides there were. There 168 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: was momentum in a way that I think the quote 169 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: unquote coastal media elites were just intentionally oblivious to. So 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 4: I think some of the onus obviously falls on us. 171 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 4: We just totally freaking missing it. 172 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: You've been really open and vulnerable about your own hubris 173 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: when it comes to having to unravel your identity that 174 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: was attached to achievement, that was attached to being a 175 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: good soldier, being good girl, and that comes up a 176 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: lot for women who are pioneering in male dominated spaces. 177 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: I'd love for you to read this passage that we 178 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: feel like really stood out to us from your essay. 179 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 4: Okay, it has taken me nearly three years to remove 180 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 4: the blinders, feel the anger, welcome the fear, and recognize 181 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: that in all my yeses, silence, and enabling the person 182 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: who betrayed me the most was me. I wanted to obey, 183 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 4: I wanted to please. I wanted to be the good girl. 184 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: I was afraid they'd let me go jokes on me. 185 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: It starts in childhood. We want approval from our parents, 186 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 4: than our lovers, than our bosses. I wanted the people 187 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 4: who had certain control over me to want me so 188 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: that I could get what I wanted. It's a transaction, 189 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: and it's a gamble, and the house always wins. 190 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for reading that. In your piece, 191 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: you mentioned instances where you didn't speak up at first, 192 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: like when your producer would go dark on you on 193 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: the air. I mean, that is a terrifying thing to 194 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: think about. And then when you finally did ask your 195 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: boss to remove that producer from your team, your request 196 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 2: was denied, and that's what you called the beginning of 197 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: the end for you. How do you think you would 198 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: have used your voice differently if you had had this 199 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: awakening earlier. 200 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: I can remember moments, you know, at CNN with my 201 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: own show, with my own team, where I should have 202 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: spoken up, and things that were done to me or 203 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: around me just we're toxic, We're not right. And instead 204 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 4: of going to the boss, I tried to handle it myself, 205 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: because that's what we do. We don't want to complain 206 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: cue the America Fererra Barbie monologue. You know, I didn't 207 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: want to come off as too aggressive. 208 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 3: I didn't. 209 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: I was worried that if I complained too much that 210 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 4: I may maybe would lose my show or lose an 211 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 4: hour of my show, And so I just kept my 212 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: mouth shut for way too long. And it was really 213 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 4: in just until I wrote this book Huddle, where selfishly, 214 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: you know, my soul was withering through covering this man 215 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: and covering Lies twenty four seven through sixty five, I 216 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: needed to like get out and talk to women. And 217 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: it was through sitting and sharing oxygen with you know, 218 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: chefs and teachers and mothers and congress women and professional athletes, 219 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: and learning that no is a complete sentence, like if 220 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 4: I may like, holy fuck, no is a complete sentence. 221 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: You know. 222 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: That's when it all really started to unravel for me 223 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 4: when I went back to work. 224 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: I think, to your credit, too, though you found success 225 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: at a major network at a really young age, I 226 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: can't imagine you had a lot of practicing no in 227 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: local news. Like you're just that you have to say 228 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: yes to everything coming up. 229 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know, when you're twenties, you're grinding your clawing, 230 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: you're saying yes because you know there are especially in 231 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: a you know, in a business like we've all been 232 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: in in journalism and TV news specifically, it is brutal. 233 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: You know that there are there's a line of women 234 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 4: behind you who would like cut off their left arm 235 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: to have your job. So, hell no, I'm not going 236 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 4: to say no. You want me to leap how far 237 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: you want to do flips? You know, like, I will 238 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: do all the things in order to continue having these 239 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 4: opportunities to continue to rise. And I think also when 240 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 4: you do start out young someplace, you start out with 241 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: this like, oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful to 242 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: be here. Oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful to 243 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: be here, instead of being like, wait a second, you're 244 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 4: asking me to do this, or you're speaking to me 245 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: this way. That's not okay. No, let's have a conversation 246 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 4: and find a compromise. I didn't do that until it 247 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 4: was too late, and that is on me, and that, 248 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: to me, was the biggest point of my piece. 249 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: Yes, I point out the. 250 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: Toxicity and the bullying and also my own complicity my 251 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: own self silencing, which is what got me in trouble. 252 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: But you are also doing the only thing that you 253 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: knew how to do in order to survive. And the 254 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: thing is saying yes is actually a condition of that 255 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: job being in the news industry. Like I can't tell 256 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: you how many colleagues of mine were like, oh, this 257 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: is my first year at NBC. I'm just gonna say 258 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: yes to every single thing they asked me to do, 259 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 2: because that's how you succeed and that's how you thrive. 260 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: And the other element of this, I think is like 261 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: once you reach the level that you are at brook 262 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: the top and you realize how few opportunities there are 263 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: at the top, and like there's not really much room 264 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 2: to climb after that. So I think there's almost this 265 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: like new scarcity mindset that gets introduced at the top. 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: That's super interesting. Actually, you're totally taking me back to 267 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: So the last couple of years when I was there, 268 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: my biggest source of anger would be twofold one. I 269 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: just didn't agree with how we were covering that man 270 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: all the time, the way in which we were. But 271 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: my second was I had done that job for ten years. 272 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: That's a long. 273 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: Time to have two hours to yourself on this giant network. 274 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: It was a huge, huge job. And I got to 275 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: the point where we all like we work hard, and 276 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 4: we think, okay, well what's next? 277 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: What's next? 278 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: And what would have been next would have been maybe 279 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: like a primetime job. And at the time, all the 280 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: primetime anchers were men, and right after my show, it 281 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 4: was a bunch of men in Washington. You know, not 282 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 4: to speak ill of those men. Most of those men 283 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 4: were wonderful to me. And I would talk to some 284 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: of them about like our giant differences in salary, or 285 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 4: the opportunities they would have, or all the times I 286 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 4: would get bounced off my show because some huge Washington 287 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: thing would happen, and that'd be bigfooted off of my 288 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 4: show a lot of times for these men. And it 289 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 4: started really pissing me off. And what message is that 290 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 4: sending to the viewer that I'm getting bounced off my 291 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 4: own show, that I'm not capable of covering X, Y, 292 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: and Z because of someone else. I wanted to be 293 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: treated equally. 294 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: That was it. 295 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: I wanted to be treated equally, and it was so 296 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 4: obvious that that wasn't happening. 297 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: I feel like the collective response to your piece signaled something. 298 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: Because I saw it online, I can only imagine what 299 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,119 Speaker 1: you receive. 300 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: Personally, crazy, What are you? Damns? 301 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: Well? 302 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: What do you think the collective response says about women 303 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: at work? 304 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 4: It is so clear that my piece really resonated not 305 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 4: just with women but also with men, men of color. 306 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: Specifically. 307 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: They would reach out to me and say, you know, hey, 308 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: I have been bullied and treated poorly because of how 309 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: I show up at the workplace and the opportunities that 310 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm not being given. And then all 311 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: these other women and having their own experiences, you know, 312 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: there was this huge needed me too wave where it 313 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 4: was like that obviously was disgusting what was happening, and 314 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: it became a hashtag and so many men got in 315 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: trouble as a result, and good on them. But to me, 316 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: there is this whole other movement that needs to happen, 317 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: which is what I referred to in the piece as 318 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: the thousand little cuts. It's less black and white. We 319 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: all have experienced it. We don't know how to talk 320 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: about it. It happens in broad daylight at work oftentimes, 321 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: you know, you can't email about it. You don't often 322 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 4: go to hr about it. You don't think that it's 323 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 4: a big enough deal. Like I didn't think my story 324 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: was a big enough deal to even write about it 325 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: until I really sat on it for a while and 326 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: talk to a lot of people. To me, we need 327 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: to name it. We need to name this thing that 328 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: is happening to us. I don't have the name. I 329 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: am all ears on what the name of it is. 330 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: But this thing that is happening to all of us. 331 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: That is step number one, and then step number two 332 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 4: is once we name it, what do we do about it. 333 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: That's what happened with me too. We didn't have a 334 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: vocabulary for what was happening. So I really think you're 335 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: onto something. You mentioned gratitude in your piece. You talk 336 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: about how you were told to be grateful for what 337 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: you had there. Yeah, what was the exact point that 338 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: you said, fuck being grateful? 339 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily fuck being grateful. It was fuck, this 340 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 4: really isn't okay, And I've got to say something. And 341 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: my first step was walking into my boss's office and 342 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: trying to make my case in a very diplomatic way. 343 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: I wasn't trying to get my executive producer in trouble. 344 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: I wasn't trying to infer anything nefarious other than I 345 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: literally said, we've run out of track. I am worried 346 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: about the show, I am worried about being doing live 347 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: TV with this person, and could we please just do 348 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 4: a trade? And that is when at all, all the 349 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: dominoes started to fall down. 350 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: It sounds like you were experiencing like a spiritual disconnection 351 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: between the life that you were living, yes, and the 352 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: life that you felt in your soul like you really 353 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: wanted to live. And I want to hear more about 354 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: your healing journey that you went on after you decided 355 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: to leave this job, because it sounds like it was 356 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: so transformational, Like I. 357 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: Want it still on it? 358 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 2: We still at it? Yeah, we do. We want what 359 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: did you read? Okay, where did you go? What our 360 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: streets did you go on? Who did you surround yourself with? 361 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: Anything you feel comfortable? 362 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: Sure? 363 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you know, I don't think I had 364 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 4: the words yet when I was having that sort of 365 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 4: disconnect or incongruity or the out of alignment feeling when 366 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: I was doing this job. I mean, you know, in 367 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 4: order to do this job, I work so hard, like 368 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: from a little girl dreaming of lurking in New York City. 369 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: You know, then you work in these small markets, you 370 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: don't have as many friends, you date the wrong guys, 371 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: you put off having kids, all the things to maybe 372 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: maybe maybe one. 373 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: Day make it, and I did. 374 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: And then at some point you're sitting on this fancy 375 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 4: set with these fake eye lashes and these extensions and 376 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: these beautiful having really important conversations. But at some point, 377 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 4: you know, I'm sitting dazing out the window and during 378 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 4: a commercial break and thinking like you would in any 379 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 4: relationship where the guy is impressive and shiny and you've 380 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: been with him for a really long time or girl, 381 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 4: and then you start wondering though, like is this it? 382 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: Is? This? 383 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: It? 384 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: Yes, but hold on a second. 385 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: I've worked so hard and there are all these girls 386 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: who again would eat their left arm for this job, 387 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 4: so I must, you know, keep going. And finally, once 388 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: I left, I sent myself on a three week trip, 389 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: which felt like. 390 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: Who takes a three week vacation? 391 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 4: Not me in my twenty whatever years. And I went 392 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: to the British Version Islands and I just needed to 393 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: like skinny dip and drink a lot of rum and 394 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 4: journal and that started my journey of healing and centering 395 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: myself and coming home to myself. And I remember staring 396 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: at the most beautiful blue water. 397 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: And thinking, I'm a named more than this. 398 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: This is like beautiful to look at, but I gotta 399 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 4: go really deep. I need to really excavate some shit 400 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 4: in my in my body and in my soul. And 401 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 4: so that then started my spiritual journey. And so I 402 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 4: reached out to a friend of mine who founded this 403 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 4: thing called the Class, which is a workout and a practice, 404 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 4: and I'd do it all the time, and you know, 405 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: and so she recommended going on this spiritual retreat in Sedona. 406 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: And I was on this sort of solo journey. And also, 407 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 4: let me say, parallel to all of this, I was married. 408 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: I was very alone in my marriage. And I actually 409 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 4: think one of the things that my now ex husband 410 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 4: taught me was how to really be on my own. 411 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: I went from never having eaten alone. 412 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: By myself to like kind of prefer eating alone by myself, 413 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: and you know, going off by myself and hiking by myself. 414 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: So I remember doing all of that and realizing, like 415 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 4: being in nature, I felt so close to what I 416 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 4: referred to as just God. Or higher power, and from 417 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: there my bible became Martha Beck's book With a Way 418 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 4: of Integrity. It's the whole story of Dante's Inferno, but 419 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 4: she explains it in a really palatable, digestible way of 420 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: all the ways that we are all on our journeys 421 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: ultimately to the being in full integrity. And I made 422 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 4: my mission to interview her. I became friends with her. 423 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 4: She has been in my home. Like I started doing 424 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff with women athletes, Sue Brd. 425 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: I got to know Meghan Rapino. 426 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: I got to know a bunch of these soccer players 427 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 4: and basketball players and volleyball ley all through Subird's production company. 428 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 4: They hired me together to do a bunch of stuff 429 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: for them. So I was then around a bunch of 430 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 4: like badass, a lot of queer women who spoke my 431 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 4: language of just no and being empowered and embodied. And 432 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 4: it was really great to just soak up their oxygen 433 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 4: and do those. 434 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: Things interesting because like when you're not living up to 435 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: the male gaze in any way, that changes. 436 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: That's why queer women can teach us a lot. 437 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: They literally are running the country. 438 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: By the way that was like if that would have 439 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 4: been the alternate subtitle of my book, like Huddle, How 440 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: Queer Women Are Running America. 441 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: We're taking a quick break, but we'll be right back 442 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: with Brooke Baldwin. 443 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: And we're back with Brooke Baldwin. 444 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: So, at forty four, you changed your entire life everything. 445 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: You moved from New York to LA You ask questions, 446 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: You found your spiritual center. 447 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: Chot my hair, became a vegetarian, learned about sobriety because 448 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: of someone near and dear to me. Have stopped talking 449 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 4: to my father. Yeah, the list is long. 450 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: Through all your inner work and your excavation. How did 451 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: your inner child factor in? Did you talk to her. 452 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: The day I left CNN. I don't know what possessed 453 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: me to do this. 454 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: I remember going into work by myself, and before I did, 455 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 4: I opened my journal and I journaled to my younger self, 456 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: and I talked to her for the first time, basically 457 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: trying to assure her don't be disappointed in us. I 458 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 4: know we worked so hard. I know we dreamt of 459 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 4: living in New York City. I know that we worked 460 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: so hard in all these you know, small towns in 461 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 4: America when all of our girlfriends were living their big 462 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 4: sex and the city lives in New York City, and 463 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: we were like going to bed at nine o'clock at 464 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 4: night and waking up at two in the morning and 465 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 4: being one woman newsroom and rolling the procter with our 466 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 4: foot and covering water, skiing squirrels, like you know, goddamn 467 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: it paid. 468 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: Off, did you? 469 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: That's an Anchorman reference. 470 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 4: So so yeah, I just needed to talk to her 471 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 4: and say, like, we're doing it. You know, hang tight, 472 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 4: don't feel disappointed. I know I can understand why this 473 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 4: feels disappointing, but I'm gonna make you proud. 474 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: Why do you think she needed to hear that? 475 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: Oh? 476 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: Because she was disappointed and as we all now know 477 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: of writing this piece, like how it all went down, 478 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: it was really fucking disappointing, the way in which I left, 479 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 4: the way in which I completed this twenty year chapter, 480 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: most of which was the dream job. And she was disappointed. 481 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: She was like, but we did all the right things, 482 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 4: and we worked really hard, and we were nice, and 483 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: we were good at what we did. Why did this happen? 484 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: You know? Why did this happen? 485 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: She was disappointed, and I needed to assure her that 486 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 4: it was going to be okay. 487 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: What did leaving CNN teach you about leaving things? 488 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that nothing is permanent, and that also, 489 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 4: you know, working for a giant machine. While it certainly 490 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 4: comes with really fun fancy bells and whistles and cachet, 491 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: it also comes with being a cog in the system. 492 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: And what I really felt like for me was being 493 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 4: a mouthpiece and not having a voice. And now that 494 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 4: I have, like self emancipated, have a voice, and it's 495 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 4: on me to use it and to show others how 496 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: they can use it every freaking day. 497 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: Now that we're having some much needed closure for our 498 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 2: inner good girl, I need to know what is the 499 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: least good girl thing about you? Now? 500 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 4: Ooh, well, I got a tattoo that felt pretty bad. 501 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: I got a tattoo a couple of months ago that 502 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: felt pretty bad. 503 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I sound like such a good cirl. Jesus, 504 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 3: what are the other bad things? One of the other bad. 505 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: Things I felt the same? 506 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: Oh oh oh oh. 507 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: Okay, I have really I'm just going to say this, 508 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: I have in the last year really experimented with psychedelics 509 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 4: and I don't feel like that's even a bad girl thing. 510 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: That's just like I want to open my mind. Yeah, 511 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 4: and my heart thing and expand. That's another thing on 512 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 4: your list of things that Brooke Baldwin has done this year. 513 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 4: I have experimented in multiple psychedelic ways and have had 514 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 4: absolutely extraordinary spiritual experiences, open hearted, loving experiences. 515 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: I've never like gone to a rave or been with 516 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: a bunch of people. 517 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: I've only been with my close, close people, but that 518 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 4: has been. 519 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 3: Mind altering. 520 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: It's so la and so bad girl. I love it. 521 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, psychedelics and tattoos. 522 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 4: I've done some breath work that's very la. I've become 523 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 4: a yogi in the last year, trying to think what 524 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 4: other bad girl? 525 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: Now? 526 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 3: This is the thing that I'm gonna take away from 527 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: this conversation. 528 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: So, my best friend from college, Yeah, we didn't really 529 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: drink when we were in college. 530 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 2: We didn't really date. 531 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: God like we were in the library. We were such 532 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,239 Speaker 1: good girls. And she texted me the other day and 533 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: she was like, I really feel like we screwed up. 534 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: We should have been bad girls. Then we're doing it 535 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: so late. Why are we bad girls? 536 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: Now? Wait? 537 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: Wait, I've got to turn the tables. Are what is 538 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 4: your most bad girl thing? I'm a reformed bad girl. 539 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: So I did the bad girl things in college and 540 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm like married to kids suburbs. 541 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: Okay, you did it the right way. Okay, my bad girl, 542 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean got a tattoo. I don't know all the things. 543 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have you guys have dainty little baby? 544 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: We got a girl mine. Yeah, I want to leave 545 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: next time you come back. Okay, Brook, I agree. 546 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: Ah, thank you guys. 547 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: You know, this interview, your story, this conversation. My hope 548 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: is that someone listens to this who's in a soul 549 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: crushing job, and through your story and just the sharing 550 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: of experiences that they feel the courage to make the jump. 551 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 4: And yes, they feel seen and heard and they're not. 552 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: You are not alone. Reach out to me Broke Baldwin Instagram, 553 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: find me dm me. You know I always try to, 554 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: like I love being in conversation with all these people, 555 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 4: to just remind them and if they are in the 556 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 4: thick of it, you know, I've got advice for you too. 557 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 4: Hang in there, You're gonna be Okay. 558 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 2: Brook, thank you so much for blessing us with your 559 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: light on the right side. 560 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. 561 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow we have the author 562 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: of Reese's book Clubs, may pick Yuleen Kwang. She's here 563 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: to tell us all about her debut novel, How to 564 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: End a Love Story. 565 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, 566 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 567 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: I'm Simone Boye. You can find me at Simone Voice 568 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok. 569 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. That's ro b A. 570 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: Y See you tomorrow, folks. Keep looking on the bright side.