WEBVTT - Born to Rum: Bill McCoy

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. He's arn, It's up, Claude.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's ridiculous? I do? And I was

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<v Speaker 1>so hoping for you to ask me this, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>ready to have your wig peeled back every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Cage once did mushrooms with his cat. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was on David Letterman and he tells the story about

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<v Speaker 1>this time he and his cat, Lewis, because he's the

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<v Speaker 1>type of Preston he would give a human name to

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<v Speaker 1>a cat. You have to give all animals of a

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<v Speaker 1>human name. Okay, I get it, Sary the cat, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a type. I know. I'm just saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have intimate relationship with your pets. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was just saying, setting the ground rules. So

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<v Speaker 1>he and Lewis were sitting there and Lewis had been

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<v Speaker 1>eyeballing his bag of mushrooms that he kept in his fridge.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are magic mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms, right, these aren't

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<v Speaker 1>allows exactly, So Cage tells Letterman the cat he ate

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<v Speaker 1>them voraciously. It was like cat and nip to him.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought, what the heck? I better do it

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<v Speaker 1>with him. So he then gets down low, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's Nicholas Cage. He's like, I'm gonna do some

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<v Speaker 1>shrooms with my cat. So he says hendy quod after

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<v Speaker 1>he eats like a couple of handfuls. I remember lying

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<v Speaker 1>in my bed for hours and Lewis was on the

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<v Speaker 1>desk across from the bed for hours, just staring at

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<v Speaker 1>each other, not moving, but he would stare at me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Nicholas Cage comes to conclusion. I had no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that he was my brother. So he and his

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<v Speaker 1>cat at a moment, and I'm just like, dude, this

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<v Speaker 1>is like today an irresponsible pet. Nicholas Cage. You're making

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<v Speaker 1>your MoMA sound like she got some splaining to do. Yes, Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go, Nicholas Cage doing shrooms with this cat

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<v Speaker 1>and Lewis. It's ridiculous. Do you know what else it

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<v Speaker 1>is ridiculous? No, but I bet you're gonna tell me

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<v Speaker 1>firing on the US military over some rum. Wait, what

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<v Speaker 1>this is ridiculous crime? A podcast about absurd and outrageous

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<v Speaker 1>capers highest cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 1>and ridiculous, right, Zarin, Yes, have you ever been in

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with other humans and used the phrase the

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<v Speaker 1>real McCoy or are you not a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Greatest Generation? I am not a member the Greatest generation,

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<v Speaker 1>but I sample them heavy. So you've called something the

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<v Speaker 1>real McCoy stood there looking at a product me. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what, guys, this is the real McCoy one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only have I said it, but I've encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>others to say it, like small children, I'm like, you should, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>tell your friends, this is the real McCourt giving old

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<v Speaker 1>tiny phrases to little ki. I am trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>my nephew to say good grief more like, because right

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<v Speaker 1>now he'll pop out with the III when something goes wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know where that came from, but I

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<v Speaker 1>like it. So now I'm trying to get him into

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<v Speaker 1>the good grief. You got any other old sayings you like? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I like also like trying to begin him to say

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<v Speaker 1>what in tarnation? You know, I've been actually, whenever I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen your nephew, I've been trying to get him to

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<v Speaker 1>say red sky at night, Sailor's delight, red sky in morning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe family yeah, exactly grew up with that, so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the real McCoy. Yes. There are a lot of theories

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<v Speaker 1>on where that phrase comes from. Gank the Smuggler, right, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Some say it's from the Scots, the real McKay and um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know what the real McKay was. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>others say it had to do with Elijah McCoy, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>inventor of the ironing board, and it was something with

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<v Speaker 1>people wanting like his authentic items and not other companies versions.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, if this was like the singer song Machine,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the real singer, the real singer. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also a boxer named Norman Shelby, Norman Selby, pardon me,

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<v Speaker 1>who boxed under the name Kid McCoy. Okay, And there's

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<v Speaker 1>this legend that he was like boozing it up at

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<v Speaker 1>a bar one night and another patron was told, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's a famous boxer. That's Kid McCoy, and

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<v Speaker 1>the drunk patrons like, no, you're not, and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pushes him and you know, makes a face out of him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many art frights start. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he was like Nanny poops and then Norman decked him.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy falls down, and then he's like, guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the real McCoy. That's a that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great legend. Yeah, that's that's a mic dropper, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>standard over somebody going guess what, I'm the real McCoy. Exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the real Zarin. Not not quite the great covering,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it doesn't. Uh So. The most agreed upon

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<v Speaker 1>origin though, is the Scots. There was a brand of

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<v Speaker 1>whiskey from Glasgow in the mid eighteen hundreds called Messrs

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<v Speaker 1>A and M McKay, and the slogan that they used

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<v Speaker 1>was the Real McKay to differentiate it from the various

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<v Speaker 1>other McKay people products. Okay, I'm just tried to like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and so then people are on this side

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<v Speaker 1>of the ocean misheard it as McCoy speaking of alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>There is another potential source, okay, yes, so there's this

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<v Speaker 1>famous rum runner, one who never watered down his hooch exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the story. Yes, his name William Bill McCoy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I want to talk to you about today.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to say I do love good prohibition

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<v Speaker 1>smuggling stories. Dude, my father told these like a bedtime story. Great,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't currently drink, but I have in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, and I know that alcohol it can be

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible destroyer of lives, both for the drinker and

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<v Speaker 1>ones who love and care about the drinker. But for

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<v Speaker 1>those with a healthy relationship with alcoholic can be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun, very enjoyable to It's like the toxicologists say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the dose makes the poison, exactly, And we know

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<v Speaker 1>that prohibition it didn't save the lives of alcoholic No,

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<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't beneficial alcoholics they have an illness, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>get booze. However they can do. That's what bathtub gin

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<v Speaker 1>comes in exactly. So prohibition made getting the alcohol, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>costly as well as the alcohol itself getting it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the alcohol itself even more dangerous. Oh yeah, people

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<v Speaker 1>are going blind. Yeah, so it was a stupid idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Prohibition was stupid. If you want to alcohol, Naron, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going on record, Wow, you really Prohibition was stupid. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take that stance. I'm going to I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to issue a proclamation stupid. But I love the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of people getting around a stupid idea. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>this also with like this, this kind of like rum running.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the excitement of sailing in the secret code or

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<v Speaker 1>like careening down country roads. We've talked about you know

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<v Speaker 1>those people before. So this is a prohibition story. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill McCoy he was born in eighteen seventy seven in Syracuse,

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<v Speaker 1>New York. He went to the Pennsylvania Nautical School and

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<v Speaker 1>when he was there, he was on the he was

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<v Speaker 1>on a ship. He like, you know, trained, graduated first

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<v Speaker 1>in his class in eighteen ninety five. Eighteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened that year in maritime historyes Aaron eighteen ninety eight, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>sinking of the Main? I knew, you know it? Yes, main,

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<v Speaker 1>the main explodes in Havanah. Yes, McCoy was there, Oh damn. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a mate and quartermaster on the piano steamer Olivet,

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<v Speaker 1>which was also docked in Havannah at the time. So

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<v Speaker 1>here we have the real McCoy witness to history. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just there. He's the beginning of the Spash American War. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right there. So he's like he's a little hard

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<v Speaker 1>boiled at this point. Yes, I bet nineteen hundred, his

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<v Speaker 1>family moves to Hollyhill, Florida. All right, and so McCoy

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<v Speaker 1>and his older brother Ben and Florida. McCoy and his

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<v Speaker 1>older brother Ben, they had this motor boat service and

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<v Speaker 1>like a boatyard, um, out of both Holly Hill and

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<v Speaker 1>then Jacksonville. Okay they're okay the North Yeah, me neither.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen eighteen, Bill he's known. He's like a really

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<v Speaker 1>skilled yacht builder. Um. He built vessels for people like

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Carnegie, Andrew Carnegie however you want to say it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Vanderbilts. So he's like building these high end yachts.

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<v Speaker 1>There's these captains of industry that keeps sneaking into our stories. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So cars, though, are starting to spread across the country

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<v Speaker 1>like a cancer and ever expanding chaotic new In order

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up with this, Florida starts building highways up

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<v Speaker 1>and down the coast, and the roads they were traveled

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<v Speaker 1>by cars and buses. They're bringing tourists to all the

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<v Speaker 1>sunny spots on the water. He was like their old

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<v Speaker 1>shell roads. Right. Yeah, you'd think that this would be

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<v Speaker 1>a boon for the McCoy brothers. Right, No, no, zeron,

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<v Speaker 1>No people wanted to be able to drive from place

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<v Speaker 1>to place, and not a lot of people wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get on their boats to go from like scenic spot

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<v Speaker 1>to scenic spot. And same with freight, like they were

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<v Speaker 1>hauling stuff up and down the coast, but now it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we can just put it in these big trucks. Makes

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<v Speaker 1>it easier. Enter prohibition, So while the US was enacting prohibition,

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<v Speaker 1>Canada and the Caribbean they repealed their ambition policies. So

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<v Speaker 1>the US looked to Canada for whiskey and the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>for rum. Let's say that you have a robust boat business,

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<v Speaker 1>the knowledge that comes with that, you have a robust

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<v Speaker 1>boat business, and the knowledge that comes with that you're

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<v Speaker 1>a skilled cap Let's say I thought you're doing together

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<v Speaker 1>after me. You're you're a skilled captain. You can pilot

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<v Speaker 1>in like shallow waters and large cargo san bars, you

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<v Speaker 1>know the area like the back of your hands. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate business is drying up, and you're not too far

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<v Speaker 1>from a significant source of quality rum. So of course

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<v Speaker 1>rum running is a viable option. For it's a career path.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm considering it really is. So the majority of the

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<v Speaker 1>ships that were illegally transporting alcohol would fly British flags

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<v Speaker 1>because the Bahamas were still British colonies. However, the ships

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<v Speaker 1>were actually registered in Canada and were owned by Canadians

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<v Speaker 1>with ties to American syndicates. Interesting, so it's Canadian registry,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got you're under the British flag. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The free t trade policy of the British kind of

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<v Speaker 1>backed this Scotch whiskey and top shelf brands of champagne

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<v Speaker 1>and other European alcoholic beverages. They were brought exported one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent legally from Britain to be stockpiled in the Bahamas.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the profit margin huge, right, So a four

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<v Speaker 1>dollars case of rum purchased in Cuba would sell for

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred dollars in Florida. Wow, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money to be made. So even you're like, you're like

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<v Speaker 1>this patriotic, you know, guy, you've got this business, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like when you're faced without your business is dying

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<v Speaker 1>and you have this opportunity, of course you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take it. So the McCoy brothers they sold off their

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<v Speaker 1>businesses and they moved to Gloucester, Massachusetts, Okay, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was there that they bought a ninety foot fishing schooner,

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<v Speaker 1>the Henry ELM Marshall, and they had. Now they had

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<v Speaker 1>the Henry L. Marshall, they start building their new enterprise

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<v Speaker 1>smuggling whiskey from the Bahamas Islands of Nassau and Bimini

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<v Speaker 1>into the US. Nice. So they had to go up

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<v Speaker 1>to New England to get like a suitable fishing real boat.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, my family's Neariccloucester. That you got real shipbuilds, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Henry L. Marshall's all right, I guess you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>Bill McCoy he wanted something bigger, he wanted power, he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to be faster, something he'll like. So he

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<v Speaker 1>tries out a bunch of different boats and he finally

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<v Speaker 1>finds his love. She's a butte and she was named

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<v Speaker 1>the Aristhusa. Is that all one word? Yeah? Aristhusa a

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<v Speaker 1>r E t h u s a arethusa. Don't no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Greek. Yeah, one hundred and twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>foot fishing schooner. It was designed in nineteen o seven

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<v Speaker 1>by Thomas McManus and built in Essex, Massachusetts by James

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<v Speaker 1>and tar in nineteen o nine. Does that mean anything

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<v Speaker 1>to you? Necessarily? It didn't mean anything to me either.

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<v Speaker 1>So McCoy's sailboat, though, that could outrun steamers. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a beast, so he souped it up even more. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon it was one of the fastest commercial sailing

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<v Speaker 1>vessels on the Atlantic coast. He's just got the big

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<v Speaker 1>boy out there. So the USA, ARETHUSA. I keep putting

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<v Speaker 1>extra syllables in this. That's fun his boat rights, ARETHUSA.

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't send messages telling me how to say it,

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<v Speaker 1>because quite frankly, oh um so the boat it could

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<v Speaker 1>carry up to six thousand cases of booze. Okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>so while it's generally bad luck to rename a boat,

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<v Speaker 1>McCoy did just that. Thank good. He decides to call

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<v Speaker 1>it the Tamoca t O m o Ka Okay. This

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<v Speaker 1>is like a Tagi Cherokee name. It's the name of

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<v Speaker 1>the river that ran through his adopted hometown of Hollyhill, Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>So it probably was yeah. So changing changing the name though,

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<v Speaker 1>let him reregister the vessel, oh okay, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>he did it. So this time he did so under

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<v Speaker 1>British flags, and that put him even further out of reach.

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<v Speaker 1>From American authorities. So, as I'm mentioned earlier, McCoy he

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<v Speaker 1>refused to lower the standards of his smuggled product. So

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of bootleggers, rum runners. They cut

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<v Speaker 1>their hall with water or sometimes even turpentine to make

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<v Speaker 1>it go further and to kill more people. Not Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd never cut it. He never switched labels. He only

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<v Speaker 1>sold the real McCoy. That's what my pap used to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me. It was known because you could count on it,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was the only one that wasn't cut it

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<v Speaker 1>cut boots, didn't mess around with any of the bottles,

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<v Speaker 1>the packaging. That's what his customers would say, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the real McCoy. He became like a prestige, luxury

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<v Speaker 1>luxury brand because of it. His rum was renowned as

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<v Speaker 1>the gold standard, and that let him set his price

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<v Speaker 1>at top dollar. Hell yeah, So outside of American ports

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, just pass the maritime limit and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to that whole issue in a second, there would

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<v Speaker 1>be these lines of ships filled with illegal booze waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to offload their cargo and sneak it to shore. They're

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<v Speaker 1>called rum rows, yeah, and ones all up and down

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<v Speaker 1>the Florida coast. They're also outside of the East Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>supports New Orleans, San Francisco in the rum row frequented

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<v Speaker 1>by McCoy. His pricing was set as the official price

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<v Speaker 1>of booze coming in, and so his status in the

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<v Speaker 1>booze criming community it rose, and he expanded his business

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<v Speaker 1>to include five boats. He had dozens of men. They

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<v Speaker 1>made trips monthly between the Bahamas and Florida. He transported

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<v Speaker 1>approximately two million bottles of alcohol during his career, two million.

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<v Speaker 1>His brother Ben would meet Tomoca in a rowboat and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd bring them fresh water, meat, vegetable, all this food, newspapers,

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<v Speaker 1>the public. He wanted to see the newspapers because the

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<v Speaker 1>public is fascinated by bootleggers, moonshiners, speakeasies. Yeah, and McCoy

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<v Speaker 1>more than happy to provide stories. Right. So he claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that hit to find inspiration in John Hancock of pre

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary Boston. That was his role model. I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>He called himself a quote honest lawbreaker. He can also

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<v Speaker 1>take a stock and Sam Adams. Yeah. So McCoy. He

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<v Speaker 1>took pride in the fact that he quote never paid

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<v Speaker 1>a cent to law enforcement, politicians or organized crime families

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<v Speaker 1>for protection, and he was known. He had never carried

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<v Speaker 1>a debt. He always paid his debts. Um, when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, I'll tell you about McCoy and his dance

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<v Speaker 1>with the Coast Guard. All right, all right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh look at us. That's good. Um. When we left off,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill McCoy flouting the laws of the land, smuggling rum

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<v Speaker 1>into the US from the Bahamas. I told you about

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<v Speaker 1>the rum row boats anchored just outside the marri Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Bill McCoy who figured out how to exploit

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<v Speaker 1>that technicality. Oh so he's like to Mickey Cohen from California,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, we stod out here. Ain't nothing they

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<v Speaker 1>can do. Exactly, So, the Coastguard they could only legally

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<v Speaker 1>operate within the three mile maritime boundary the coast. Beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that all bets are off. McCoy. He would drop anchor

0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.800
<v Speaker 1>just beyond the boundary, offload his goods onto smaller, faster

0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.640
<v Speaker 1>boats that could then outpace any of the Coastguard cutters.

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<v Speaker 1>And since the deals were going down in international waters,

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<v Speaker 1>he's technically not breaking the world completely. He's clean. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>something to note, though. Prohibition ratified January sixteenth, nineteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, the maritime limit was three miles. On

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty first, nineteen twenty four, it was changed to

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<v Speaker 1>twelve miles. I was wondering when it got to twelve So,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the significance of this April nineteen twenty four. Heads, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was about a week after the Anti Heroin Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen twenty four was introduced to Congress, and that

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<v Speaker 1>prohibited the importer possession of opium for the chemical synthesis

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<v Speaker 1>of heroin. Sure, So that passed the Senate May twenty seventh,

0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.040
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty four, signed into law June seventh. So it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like the extension of the maritime limit was actually

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<v Speaker 1>not so much for the war on the drink, but

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<v Speaker 1>more on the early days of the war on the drugs. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So they wanted to be able to push those boats

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<v Speaker 1>out further and then give them a chance to catch

0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.640
<v Speaker 1>him because ye okay, yeah. So either way, McCoy's plan

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<v Speaker 1>sitting just outside the line worked perfectly. So we had

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<v Speaker 1>these main transport vessels waiting the contact boats would come up.

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<v Speaker 1>They were captained by local fishermen who were experts at

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<v Speaker 1>knowing all the little hidden landing points inlets, and all

0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Florida got plenty of those totally. After they exchange of

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<v Speaker 1>money and alcohols complete, the smaller boat sped away, meets

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<v Speaker 1>up with the truck the speed boat and the truck

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<v Speaker 1>vanished into the night. There it is so the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of his like rum running hack to create a rum

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<v Speaker 1>row spread quickly, and soon there's like rows of boats

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. So he invented the rum row.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what Florida historian Jean Burnett no relation, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think, had to say the way people quote. The

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<v Speaker 1>US Coastguard was sorely undermanned in the early years, effective

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<v Speaker 1>by day and aid of a spotter plane, but hard

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<v Speaker 1>pressed at night. Often the rum fleets, mostly speedy motor boats,

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<v Speaker 1>would slowly move out of the mouseholds at Biminy, cat

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<v Speaker 1>Key or gun Key and wait for sunset. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>would spread out fan fashion, picking up speed, and scoot

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<v Speaker 1>like so many water bugs, often cutting between two Coastguard

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<v Speaker 1>cutters to avoid the staccato rain of machine gun fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Right they were firing, they were firing on them. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Coastguard was given twenty American Navy destroyers in order

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<v Speaker 1>to fight rum runners. What are they going to do

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<v Speaker 1>with destroyers? Go out to the row and be like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so like but here's the rum runners. Weren't just fighting

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<v Speaker 1>the Coastguard. They also fighting they're smugglers, right, so they've

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<v Speaker 1>commonedoer boats. They trossed the crew overboard. Back to McCoy

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<v Speaker 1>and Tomocus. Yeah, you got to worry that sometimes if

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<v Speaker 1>you were getting pulled over up by a boat, that

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<v Speaker 1>it may be one of your rivals pretending to be

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<v Speaker 1>the coast exactly exactly. So um transit papers made it

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<v Speaker 1>look like Tomoca was transporting alcohol legally from the Bahamas

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<v Speaker 1>to Halifax, Nova Scotia. So they they're like, look, we

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<v Speaker 1>were allowed to have this on there. What happens in between?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So regardless of whether or not Tomoca

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<v Speaker 1>ever dropped anchor in Halifax, there were no laws that

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<v Speaker 1>prevented him from selling his booze in international waters. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, so as long as he did his business there,

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<v Speaker 1>he's within his legal rights. He had strict rules in place.

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<v Speaker 1>He had only let two customers on board at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's like going into or jewelry shop. A

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<v Speaker 1>gunner kept a swivel machine gun trained on any nearby

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<v Speaker 1>vessels to make sure there's no trouble. So like while

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<v Speaker 1>you got the two people on you, you're under the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>McCoy took things a step further. He established a land

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<v Speaker 1>base on the island of Saint Pierre. And he's getting

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<v Speaker 1>into like bond Villain levels now, right, So he's outside

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<v Speaker 1>of US law. He's in a French colony. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>competitors nearby. His He transformed the economy of this of

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<v Speaker 1>this island. Under his guidance, it becomes a commercial merchant port.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, pretty much because of him. Will you see that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like in um the peaky blinders up north, they one

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<v Speaker 1>because they're bringing in all their Irish whiskey exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the lifeblood. So McCoy he has this crew of

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<v Speaker 1>eight guys. They'd sell cases of liquor bottles. They'd stack

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<v Speaker 1>them and then wrap them in burlap packages labeled as

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<v Speaker 1>like hams or sometimes they'd just write sacks like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a sack. Don't worry about what's inside. What's He

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<v Speaker 1>invented this thing called the burlock. Burlock I never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of that. It's six bottles wrapped in straw and then

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<v Speaker 1>stacked pyramid style, three on the bottom, two on top,

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<v Speaker 1>one on top of that, and then all of it

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<v Speaker 1>is sewed up really tightly in burlap, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>really compact and easy to stow. And some of them

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<v Speaker 1>they would line with salt, so when they'd toss them overboard,

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<v Speaker 1>the sacks would sink, but then the salt would dissolve

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<v Speaker 1>and then the sacks would float back to the top. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that is Zaren level science. You can see my fight.

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<v Speaker 1>My face light up. So Rumroe had major party vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like it was rude dude central out there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>basically it's a debauched pirate convention. Jazz bands performed on

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<v Speaker 1>board like for tourists. Crewmen taunted and heckled the coastguard

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the like mean orner um. There's gambling. As you said,

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<v Speaker 1>there were prostitutes. They'd make twice as much money by

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<v Speaker 1>sea as they did on shore. Okay, because kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like with the gold camps where it's like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make a bottle more because there's no women out there

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<v Speaker 1>exactly now. McCoy he was a teetotaler. He never indulged

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<v Speaker 1>in any of the vices associated with the illicit rum

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<v Speaker 1>running trade. Wow, that is dranked and gamble. Yeah. He

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<v Speaker 1>did have a weakness though. Oh beauty, oh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>for him, that beauty went by the name Gertrude Cleo Lithgo,

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<v Speaker 1>Gertrude Cleo, Ligo British. Well, I don't know, so Lithgo.

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<v Speaker 1>She was given the name Cleo because she was considered

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<v Speaker 1>to be as beautiful as Queen Cleopatra herself. She was

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<v Speaker 1>called the Queen of the Bahamas. Her nickname. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Gertrude was her So I mean I would go with

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<v Speaker 1>Cleo over Girtrud. No offense to any Gertrude's So people

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<v Speaker 1>called her the Queen of the Bahamas. She had all

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<v Speaker 1>these suitors, she never married, and she ran a full

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<v Speaker 1>empire all by herself. The one man she did give

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<v Speaker 1>attention to, at least professionally, Captain McCoy. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>what McCoy had to say about Cleo to Robert Wrigley,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a journalist. Quote, she was a tall, slender

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<v Speaker 1>girl with black hair, a brain as steady as her own,

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<v Speaker 1>dark eyes, and a history that was nobody's business. She

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<v Speaker 1>came to Nassau as an agent for Haig and mctavish's

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<v Speaker 1>Scotch whiskey. No one knew from where. She made no

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<v Speaker 1>secret of her background, but she told an entirely different

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<v Speaker 1>tale to everyone who asked. She was born in California,

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<v Speaker 1>she'd been born in India. She was a Gypsy, She'd

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<v Speaker 1>been raised in the Middle West. You could take your

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<v Speaker 1>choice members of the rum mob who drew their own

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<v Speaker 1>conclusions concerning her and then tried to operate accordingly, probably

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 1>will recall the breathtaking fury she could show, and one

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 1>or two must remember the pistol jammed into their ribs.

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<v Speaker 1>By way of making things clear, Nassau was not the

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<v Speaker 1>best place in those days for attractive, unprotected women. But

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<v Speaker 1>though she was the former, she certainly was not the latter.

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<v Speaker 1>An able, thoroughly competent girl, was she No twittery Jane

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in whom one could make passes with impunity. She expected

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<v Speaker 1>others to mind their own business as she attended to hers.

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<v Speaker 1>She worked at that overtime, and in its course she

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<v Speaker 1>nearly ran me ragged. Dan, she sounds amazing. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>Nassa on the Bahamas. Yeah, so it's like we're totally

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of like the pirate cove of the black

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<v Speaker 1>sales and yeah, yeah, this is dope. And so Robert Wrigley,

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<v Speaker 1>that journalist, he had a big thing for Cleo like her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of men were sweet on her.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how he described her, quote, truly a wonderful personality,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman of cultivated taste, who can talk on books,

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<v Speaker 1>and who travels with the best music in her trunks

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<v Speaker 1>and shows such artistic taste and dress. She stands alone

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<v Speaker 1>and fearless, a woman who would grace any London drawing room.

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<v Speaker 1>She has commanded the respect and homage of this motley

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<v Speaker 1>and dubious throng, and is known in the trade as

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen of the Bahamas. Oh yeah, that's a love letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, that's like please read this seriously. So McCoy,

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<v Speaker 1>he mentors Lythgo, and she followed his example of never

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<v Speaker 1>watering her own products. She saw the genius in that.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a point of pride for Lythgo. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when word got back to her that arrival was spreading

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<v Speaker 1>a lie that she sold compromise goods, she tracked this

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<v Speaker 1>guy down. This is what Wrigley wrote about this, that,

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<v Speaker 1>as Cleo told him, quote, everyone knows that my liquor

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is the very best, she said, But for some reason

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 1>or another, this man thought he would criticize it to

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<v Speaker 1>other people. And he also said something unpleasant about me. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I found him in a barber's shop with his face lathered,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just walked right in, and I told him

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk to him. I fetched him along

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<v Speaker 1>to my office, and there I just warned him. I

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<v Speaker 1>told him I'd put a bullet through him. As sure

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<v Speaker 1>as he sat there. He went away mighty quick, because

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<v Speaker 1>she just like whips him out of the barber's share,

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<v Speaker 1>come with me. Just like, face still full of lather,

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>sitting there is dripping it on his jacket. She has

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<v Speaker 1>all this legend about where she's from and all her story.

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>She was actually born to keep that thing her. Oh yeah,

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>she's actually born in Bowling Green, Ohio, and was the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest of ten children. Her mom died when she was

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<v Speaker 1>really young, but she was able to then like reunite

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<v Speaker 1>with her father later with the help of an aunt.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was just like this scattered family. She moves

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<v Speaker 1>to New York. She gets a job as a stenographer,

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and then she becomes a junior accounts clerk for British

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Scotch whiskey wholesaler Haig and mc tavish. That's her entry.

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<v Speaker 1>So prohibition comes, she convinces her employer like, why don't

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.199
<v Speaker 1>we import alcohol from the Bahamas? Like, let's just do

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<v Speaker 1>it there. So this time she moves down to Nassau

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 1>to help them. She opens a wholesale liquor store in

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<v Speaker 1>the Lucerne Hotel and that's where she also lived. She

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>became the first woman to possess a wholesale liquor license.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Now the Lucerne Hotel that was like bootlegger's headquarters. The

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 1>only thing is that it had more of booze was cash,

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>like there was just so much money on people to

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<v Speaker 1>hold down paper. This is what Jim Leggett of Whiskey

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Magazine put put it. So Whiskey Magazine like, do you subscriber?

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I've been a lifetime subscriber. Thing quote. Bar

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 1>tabs were paid in thousand dollar bills and every barman

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>could give change, So whiskey became a favorite down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen nineteen, over nine hundred gallons were exported from Scottish

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>distilleries and in nineteen twenty, the year after prohibition hit.

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<v Speaker 1>The shipment's totaled three hundred eighty six thousand gallons, So

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>litgo though Cleo, she's the middleman. She makes trips smuggling

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>rum directly into New Jersey with mccoya. At one point

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>she found herself caught kind of um. She got arrested

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>and was taken into the federal courts in New Orleans.

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>She was charged revenuers. She got charged with smuggling a

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>thousand barrels of whiskey and rum into New Orleans. Here's

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the problem for the authorities, not for her. Um. While

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 1>it was she who arranged the shipment, the man she

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>put in charge of making the delivery betrayed her and

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he tried to sell the goods on his own. He's

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the one captured by the coast Guard. And then that

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 1>gave her the proof that looked I was nowhere near

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>this he had the shipment, So they let her go.

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>She gets out. Now this close brush made her a

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>little nervous, okay, So she decides to quit while she's ahead,

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>leave rum, run rumming for a more peaceful hobby. A

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>favorite among good criminals. Memoir writing. I picked the wrong

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 1>road to publish it before as you could do that, though,

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>she had one more matter to attend to. What's that,

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Captain McCoy. Yeah. Yeah, when we get back from this break,

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to let you know what happened to this

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>love affair? All right, Zaron yah yap okay. When we

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>left off, Bill McCoy ruling the waves, smuggling illegal alcohol

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>alongside the love of his life, Cleo lithgo dirty. Cleo

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>wants out of a life. Yeah. Um, she wants to

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>write her memoir take it Easy, but she knew that

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>McCoy wasn't ready for that. Oh really. Yeah, she you know,

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>she'd gotten through the whole New Orleans case and everything,

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>but she also after that, she's positive that she's jinxed,

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and she's also positive she's going to be murdered. She

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>just has this feeling. So she's like, I gotta get

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>out of this. But then she also has to tell

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>McCoy then it's over, like spiritualism probably, I don't know,

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it's curious. This is how so she has to tell

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>she has to break it to Bill McCoy, like we

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>can't do this, like we can't both be one in

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>one out. Yeah, So this is what she said. Quote

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>believe me. It's a tremendous temptation. But I still have

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>some unfinished business tails ends which must have my attention.

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It is urgent that I return. There have been so

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>many interruptions as it is. Besides, I hardly think it

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>would be proper for me to stay aboard with three captains.

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>With that, he jumped up and grabbed me in his arms, saying,

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I won't let you go. For once. I did not

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>resist his caresses. If you must go back, promise me

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that you will get the slate cleared of whatever you

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>have to do as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I'll finish

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the overhauling of the ships here and the one in Virginia.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll meet in Miami, then go on a long cruise

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to the seas and just jog along as we please.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I won't let you go until you do. Promise. It

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>was with reluctance that I compelled myself to wake from

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>those wonderful moments. As I said goodbye with my arms

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>around his neck, I kissed him all right, Bill, I promise. Oh,

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Cleo never saw him again. I knew it that. Yeah,

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a heartbreaker. So The Fairmountain News of Indiana I'm

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.719
<v Speaker 1>pulling for those I don't work it out well. They

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like this is what they said about her in this

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>fair Fairmount News of Indiana, that her work as a smuggler,

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>quote brought her Paris gowns and jewels as big as

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<v Speaker 1>Hen's eggs, and the respect of the hardest boiled bootleggers

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>on the Atlantic seaboard. But she thinks her lucky star

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>has set a jinx has tracked her down from her

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>whiskey throne in Nassau, through the most luxurious hotels of

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>European capitals, through glamorous newspaper publicity, through hectic romances, to

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the loneliness of a New York hotel suite where she

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>can hide from the world world and recover her lost

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>nerve and her health. So she's just like feeling pursued

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>by this, and she goes all over the globe trying

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to find peace. So she spent the rest of her

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 1>life living in hotels. You know, she goes to Miami.

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Then she lived in a hotel in Detroit for twenty

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 1>five years, the Teller, the Tuller Hotel on Grand Circus

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Part I don't know, but she spent her last year's

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>writing her memoirs, The Bahama Queen, The Autobiography of Gertrude

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Cleo Lithgow, published in nineteen sixty five. She passed away

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>at the age of eighty six in nineteen seventy four

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles. So interesting life, right, so Cleo, she

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>stepped away from the life McCoy leaned into it. Zaren, yes,

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:47.719
<v Speaker 1>close your eyes, yes, picture it. It's early morning on Sunday,

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>November twenty fifth, nineteen twenty three. You're part of a

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>crew of the Tomaco or Tomoco, Tomoca whatever, sailing off

0:31:55.840 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the coast of Seabright, New Jersey. Just you're far enough

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>offshore to be in international waters. You hear a boat

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>approaching you from starboard. It's the Coastguard cutter Seneca. They've

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>been given orders to bring in the Tomoca or Sinka.

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>You don't know that, though. You hear a short sound

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>from the Seneca's horn, and then a voice coming over

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the ship's tannoi. It's the lieutenant in charge of the Seneca.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>He orders Captain McCoy to doc Tomoka at Sandy Hook,

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. He says that there's something amiss with McCoy's papers.

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>You look at McCoy. He looks at you, well, Captain,

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>You stand in the door of the cabin, holding the

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>mouthpiece to the ship's speaker out to McCoy, what's he

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>going to tell him? McCoy waves off your offer and

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>instead calls out slip the stern line while he steers

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the ship away from the coastguard full speed ahead. The

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 1>chases on Zi. Yeah sama. You head below deck to

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>secure the cargo of rum you've got while McCoy careens

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>up and down the coast of aiding the Seneca. He

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>makes a hard turn and you realize that you're heading

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>out into the open ocean. Now. The coastline and its

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>speckled dabs a morning light from the little fishing cabins.

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>They disappear from view. Suddenly you hear a frightful sound. Bang.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>The Seneca has fired a shell across your bow. McCoy's

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>at the helm, steady at the wheel. You and your

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>crewmates scatter to the wooden cases along the deck and

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>reach in for your tools to trade machine guns. Yeah,

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>give me that, Tommy, guy to the forward deck yells McCoy.

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>You and the other deck hands return fire. You're firing

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>on the United States Coastguard, damn right. So the Seneca

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>responds one, two, three, four, shells fly at you. They're

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>getting so close now that they're splashing seawater onto the deck.

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>McCoy realizes he's no match for their firepower, so he

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>lowers the jib. The men from the Coastguard they come

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and they board the ship. McCoy's gone below deck at

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>this point. So there he is sitting with four hundred

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>cases of whiskey and sixty thousand dollars in cash. That's

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>just over a million in today's money. So million bucks,

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>four hundred cases a whiskey. So the Coastguard commandeer the ship.

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 1>They make their way back to Sandy Hook, New Jersey,

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>seventeen some odd miles away. On the way, McCoy, he

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>takes you and all your fellow crewmen belowdeck, pays each

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of you your wages, and then says really heartfelt goodbyes

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>to his loyal crew. So words spread that the infamous

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 1>real McCoy had been captured at the station. Reporters asked

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>him what his defense would be at the trial. This

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>is what he said, quote, I have no tale of

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>woe to tell you. I was outside the three mile limits.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Selling whiskey and good whiskey to anyone and everyone who

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to buy. She's like, look, I shameless. So it

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>took like, look I did what I did. We all

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>know what I did. It took two years to go

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to trial, all this dragging on. So he's found guilty,

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to nine months in prison in March of nineteen

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty five. But Bill McCoy was a celebrity at this point,

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you know in the papers, all this other stuff, and

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>we know how celebrity criminals are often treated, so not

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>like criminals at all. Basically we're getting at So the

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.919
<v Speaker 1>warden let him lead the leave the prison every day

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>as long as he was back by nine pm curfew.

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>He's like, look, I don't care what you do when

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you're out there, just be back by night after you

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 1>got interviews to do. Oh yeah, rich people hang out with.

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 1>One time he goes out and he sits ringside at

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a prize fight at Ebbott's Field in Brooklyn. Oh, it's

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>just out, you know, taking it all in. You know,

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>he didn't get the best seats. That's the prison, Elizabeth.

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Remember how I told you that the government pushed the

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 1>maritime boundary out in eighty three miles to twelve. The

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 1>government also invested in faster cutters for the coast Guard.

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 1>More and more rum runners were arrested and their boats

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>were confiscated. By the time that prohibition was repealed in

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty three, what remained of the rum running trade

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>just vanished overnight. Obviously, so in nineteen thirty three, long

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 1>after retiring from run running, McCoy began selling his own

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>personal brand of whiskey, called the Real McCoy. It had

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 1>like an illustration of his boat on the label. He

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>went back to Florida with his brother Ben and invested

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>in real estate. He passed away at the age of

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>seventy one from a heart attack in complications of tomine poisoning.

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't laugh at that December thirtieth, nineteen forty eight

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>in Stuart, Florida. He was out at sea in his

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 1>private yacht Huh. In twenty thirteen, Bailey Pryor made a

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>documentary about him, with a line of rum to go

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>with it, going to Barbados and teaming up with Richard

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Seal of Four Square Distillery. Oh cool whatever, So in honor,

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>though in honor of Captain McCoy's habit of providing only

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the best rum. They produced three years silver rum that

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>was age, no barrels, with no sugar, no flavor additives,

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>as well as a twelve year super Premium variety. So Zarin,

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 1>what's your ridiculous takeaway? I wish I liked rum? Right?

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>My dad loves dark rum. He loves light rum, like

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>though clear white RUMs. So he's all about Myers and

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Bacardi all those RUMs that I'm just you know, naming

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 1>some nods. Get him a bottle of the real McCoy

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>for Oh no, he definitely would. But I when I

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 1>go to see him, he'll pour be a glass of rum.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm always like, you know, I hate this molasses liquor?

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing to me here? Pop? Can't you

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.839
<v Speaker 1>get good Irish whiskey? But he doesn't like whiskey and

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I do, so we meet it tequila. So what's ridiculous

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 1>is is this story, no matter how strange it is,

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of my father and makes me want tequila.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. That's amazing, it's amazing. What about you, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your ridiculous take I did I see how that's how?

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<v Speaker 1>That's how. That's done. That's how polite people do these things.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, Um my ridiculous takeaway is again I love

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<v Speaker 1>a good prohibition smuggler story. Oh yeah, you know, no

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<v Speaker 1>one was killed. So and it's also it's given the

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<v Speaker 1>people what they want, and it's based on like an

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrary rule. Like you know me, I'm I'm not somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's like, oh the like we should just disregard loss.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not suggesting that, but I also don't believe we

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<v Speaker 1>should hold true the laws that are just arbitrary and

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<v Speaker 1>weird and bizarre and abstract. It just makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So some laws are, in my opinion, you know, nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this one is we both agree it was nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the way he did it, I applaud him.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't hurt people, he didn't use violence like a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of other people. He wasn't he was selling a

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<v Speaker 1>good product, he wasn't hurting people. I don't see the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and I applaud him. And I love the little sense

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<v Speaker 1>of adventure about it, and like, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, like the little hidden coves that into

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know this, it's like I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all about like the traitor vic lifestyle of like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta hide in these little coves and got to

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<v Speaker 1>meet a guy on a fro a boat and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like an evening gets to be close to

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, spit the difference between Travis McGee,

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<v Speaker 1>like the amateur detective from Florida and then like the

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<v Speaker 1>real McCoy rum runner. I'm somewhere in between there and

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<v Speaker 1>neither of them really have like our law abiders, right, Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go, Florida. Well that's it. That's what we

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