1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. He's arn, It's up, Claude. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Do you know what's ridiculous? I do? And I was 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: so hoping for you to ask me this, because you're 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: ready to have your wig peeled back every single day. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage once did mushrooms with his cat. So he 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: was on David Letterman and he tells the story about 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: this time he and his cat, Lewis, because he's the 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: type of Preston he would give a human name to 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: a cat. You have to give all animals of a 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: human name. Okay, I get it, Sary the cat, it's 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: a it's a type. I know. I'm just saying. So 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: you guys have intimate relationship with your pets. And that's 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: what I was just saying, setting the ground rules. So 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: he and Lewis were sitting there and Lewis had been 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: eyeballing his bag of mushrooms that he kept in his fridge. 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: And these are magic mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms, right, these aren't 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: allows exactly, So Cage tells Letterman the cat he ate 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: them voraciously. It was like cat and nip to him. 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: So I thought, what the heck? I better do it 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: with him. So he then gets down low, because you 21 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: know he's Nicholas Cage. He's like, I'm gonna do some 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: shrooms with my cat. So he says hendy quod after 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: he eats like a couple of handfuls. I remember lying 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: in my bed for hours and Lewis was on the 25 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: desk across from the bed for hours, just staring at 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: each other, not moving, but he would stare at me. 27 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: And then Nicholas Cage comes to conclusion. I had no 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: doubt that he was my brother. So he and his 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: cat at a moment, and I'm just like, dude, this 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: is like today an irresponsible pet. Nicholas Cage. You're making 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: your MoMA sound like she got some splaining to do. Yes, Anyway, 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: there you go, Nicholas Cage doing shrooms with this cat 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: and Lewis. It's ridiculous. Do you know what else it 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: is ridiculous? No, but I bet you're gonna tell me 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: firing on the US military over some rum. Wait, what 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous crime? A podcast about absurd and outrageous 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: capers highest cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: and ridiculous, right, Zarin, Yes, have you ever been in 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: a conversation with other humans and used the phrase the 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: real McCoy or are you not a member of the 41 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Greatest Generation? I am not a member the Greatest generation, 42 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: but I sample them heavy. So you've called something the 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: real McCoy stood there looking at a product me. You 44 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: know what, guys, this is the real McCoy one hundred percent. 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: And not only have I said it, but I've encouraged 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: others to say it, like small children, I'm like, you should, hey, 47 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: tell your friends, this is the real McCourt giving old 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: tiny phrases to little ki. I am trying to get 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: my nephew to say good grief more like, because right 50 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: now he'll pop out with the III when something goes wrong, 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and I don't know where that came from, but I 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: like it. So now I'm trying to get him into 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: the good grief. You got any other old sayings you like? Like? 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: I like also like trying to begin him to say 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: what in tarnation? You know, I've been actually, whenever I've 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: seen your nephew, I've been trying to get him to 57 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: say red sky at night, Sailor's delight, red sky in morning. Yeah, 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, maybe family yeah, exactly grew up with that, so, um, 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: the real McCoy. Yes. There are a lot of theories 60 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: on where that phrase comes from. Gank the Smuggler, right, no, no, no, 61 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Some say it's from the Scots, the real McKay and um, 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: but I don't know what the real McKay was. Well, 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: others say it had to do with Elijah McCoy, uh, 64 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: inventor of the ironing board, and it was something with 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: people wanting like his authentic items and not other companies versions. 66 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: So it's like, if this was like the singer song Machine, 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: this is the real singer, the real singer. There was 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: also a boxer named Norman Shelby, Norman Selby, pardon me, 69 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: who boxed under the name Kid McCoy. Okay, And there's 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: this legend that he was like boozing it up at 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: a bar one night and another patron was told, hey, 72 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: you know that's a famous boxer. That's Kid McCoy, and 73 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: the drunk patrons like, no, you're not, and like, you know, 74 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: pushes him and you know, makes a face out of him. 75 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how many art frights start. And then 76 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: he was like Nanny poops and then Norman decked him. 77 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: The guy falls down, and then he's like, guess what, 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm the real McCoy. That's a that's a that's a 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: great legend. Yeah, that's that's a mic dropper, and you're 80 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: standard over somebody going guess what, I'm the real McCoy. Exactly, 81 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: I'm the real Zarin. Not not quite the great covering, 82 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't. Uh So. The most agreed upon 83 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: origin though, is the Scots. There was a brand of 84 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: whiskey from Glasgow in the mid eighteen hundreds called Messrs 85 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: A and M McKay, and the slogan that they used 86 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: was the Real McKay to differentiate it from the various 87 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: other McKay people products. Okay, I'm just tried to like, yeah, 88 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I guess, and so then people are on this side 89 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: of the ocean misheard it as McCoy speaking of alcohol. 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: There is another potential source, okay, yes, so there's this 91 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: famous rum runner, one who never watered down his hooch exactly, 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: that's the story. Yes, his name William Bill McCoy. Okay, 93 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: that's why I want to talk to you about today. 94 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: So I have to say I do love good prohibition 95 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: smuggling stories. Dude, my father told these like a bedtime story. Great, 96 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't currently drink, but I have in 97 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: the past, and I know that alcohol it can be 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: a terrible destroyer of lives, both for the drinker and 99 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: ones who love and care about the drinker. But for 100 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: those with a healthy relationship with alcoholic can be a 101 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: lot of fun, very enjoyable to It's like the toxicologists say, 102 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: it's the dose makes the poison, exactly, And we know 103 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: that prohibition it didn't save the lives of alcoholic No, 104 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: so it wasn't beneficial alcoholics they have an illness, they'll 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: get booze. However they can do. That's what bathtub gin 106 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: comes in exactly. So prohibition made getting the alcohol, you know, 107 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: costly as well as the alcohol itself getting it, and 108 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: it's the alcohol itself even more dangerous. Oh yeah, people 109 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: are going blind. Yeah, so it was a stupid idea. 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: Prohibition was stupid. If you want to alcohol, Naron, I'm 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: going on record, Wow, you really Prohibition was stupid. Wow, 112 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: we're going to take that stance. I'm going to I'm 113 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: going to issue a proclamation stupid. But I love the 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: idea of people getting around a stupid idea. So there's 115 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: this also with like this, this kind of like rum running. 116 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: There's the excitement of sailing in the secret code or 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: like careening down country roads. We've talked about you know 118 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: those people before. So this is a prohibition story. Okay. 119 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Bill McCoy he was born in eighteen seventy seven in Syracuse, 120 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: New York. He went to the Pennsylvania Nautical School and 121 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: when he was there, he was on the he was 122 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: on a ship. He like, you know, trained, graduated first 123 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: in his class in eighteen ninety five. Eighteen ninety eight. 124 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: What happened that year in maritime historyes Aaron eighteen ninety eight, Um, 125 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: sinking of the Main? I knew, you know it? Yes, main, 126 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: the main explodes in Havanah. Yes, McCoy was there, Oh damn. Yeah. 127 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: He was a mate and quartermaster on the piano steamer Olivet, 128 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: which was also docked in Havannah at the time. So 129 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: here we have the real McCoy witness to history. Yeah, 130 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: he's just there. He's the beginning of the Spash American War. Yeah, 131 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: exactly right there. So he's like he's a little hard 132 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: boiled at this point. Yes, I bet nineteen hundred, his 133 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: family moves to Hollyhill, Florida. All right, and so McCoy 134 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: and his older brother Ben and Florida. McCoy and his 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: older brother Ben, they had this motor boat service and 136 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: like a boatyard, um, out of both Holly Hill and 137 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: then Jacksonville. Okay they're okay the North Yeah, me neither. 138 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: By nineteen eighteen, Bill he's known. He's like a really 139 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: skilled yacht builder. Um. He built vessels for people like 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Carnegie, Andrew Carnegie however you want to say it, 141 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: and the Vanderbilts. So he's like building these high end yachts. 142 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: There's these captains of industry that keeps sneaking into our stories. Right. 143 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: So cars, though, are starting to spread across the country 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: like a cancer and ever expanding chaotic new In order 145 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: to keep up with this, Florida starts building highways up 146 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: and down the coast, and the roads they were traveled 147 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: by cars and buses. They're bringing tourists to all the 148 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: sunny spots on the water. He was like their old 149 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: shell roads. Right. Yeah, you'd think that this would be 150 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: a boon for the McCoy brothers. Right, No, no, zeron, 151 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: No people wanted to be able to drive from place 152 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: to place, and not a lot of people wanted to 153 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: get on their boats to go from like scenic spot 154 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: to scenic spot. And same with freight, like they were 155 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: hauling stuff up and down the coast, but now it's like, oh, 156 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: we can just put it in these big trucks. Makes 157 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 1: it easier. Enter prohibition, So while the US was enacting prohibition, 158 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: Canada and the Caribbean they repealed their ambition policies. So 159 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: the US looked to Canada for whiskey and the Caribbean 160 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: for rum. Let's say that you have a robust boat business, 161 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: the knowledge that comes with that, you have a robust 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: boat business, and the knowledge that comes with that you're 163 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: a skilled cap Let's say I thought you're doing together 164 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: after me. You're you're a skilled captain. You can pilot 165 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: in like shallow waters and large cargo san bars, you 166 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: know the area like the back of your hands. Yeah. Um, 167 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: legitimate business is drying up, and you're not too far 168 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: from a significant source of quality rum. So of course 169 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: rum running is a viable option. For it's a career path. 170 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm considering it really is. So the majority of the 171 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: ships that were illegally transporting alcohol would fly British flags 172 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: because the Bahamas were still British colonies. However, the ships 173 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: were actually registered in Canada and were owned by Canadians 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: with ties to American syndicates. Interesting, so it's Canadian registry, 175 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: but you got you're under the British flag. Yeah. Um. 176 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: The free t trade policy of the British kind of 177 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: backed this Scotch whiskey and top shelf brands of champagne 178 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: and other European alcoholic beverages. They were brought exported one 179 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: hundred percent legally from Britain to be stockpiled in the Bahamas. 180 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: And then the profit margin huge, right, So a four 181 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: dollars case of rum purchased in Cuba would sell for 182 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars in Florida. Wow, there's a lot of 183 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: money to be made. So even you're like, you're like 184 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: this patriotic, you know, guy, you've got this business, but 185 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: it's like when you're faced without your business is dying 186 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: and you have this opportunity, of course you're going to 187 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: take it. So the McCoy brothers they sold off their 188 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: businesses and they moved to Gloucester, Massachusetts, Okay, and it 189 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: was there that they bought a ninety foot fishing schooner, 190 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: the Henry ELM Marshall, and they had. Now they had 191 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: the Henry L. Marshall, they start building their new enterprise 192 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: smuggling whiskey from the Bahamas Islands of Nassau and Bimini 193 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: into the US. Nice. So they had to go up 194 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: to New England to get like a suitable fishing real boat. 195 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, my family's Neariccloucester. That you got real shipbuilds, right, 196 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: Henry L. Marshall's all right, I guess you know. But 197 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Bill McCoy he wanted something bigger, he wanted power, he 198 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: wanted it to be faster, something he'll like. So he 199 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: tries out a bunch of different boats and he finally 200 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: finds his love. She's a butte and she was named 201 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: the Aristhusa. Is that all one word? Yeah? Aristhusa a 202 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: r E t h u s a arethusa. Don't no idea. 203 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: I think it's Greek. Yeah, one hundred and twenty seven 204 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: foot fishing schooner. It was designed in nineteen o seven 205 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: by Thomas McManus and built in Essex, Massachusetts by James 206 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: and tar in nineteen o nine. Does that mean anything 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: to you? Necessarily? It didn't mean anything to me either. 208 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: So McCoy's sailboat, though, that could outrun steamers. It was 209 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: a beast, so he souped it up even more. Yes, 210 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: and soon it was one of the fastest commercial sailing 211 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: vessels on the Atlantic coast. He's just got the big 212 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: boy out there. So the USA, ARETHUSA. I keep putting 213 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:18,359 Speaker 1: extra syllables in this. That's fun his boat rights, ARETHUSA. 214 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: Please don't send messages telling me how to say it, 215 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: because quite frankly, oh um so the boat it could 216 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: carry up to six thousand cases of booze. Okay, And 217 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: so while it's generally bad luck to rename a boat, 218 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: McCoy did just that. Thank good. He decides to call 219 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: it the Tamoca t O m o Ka Okay. This 220 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: is like a Tagi Cherokee name. It's the name of 221 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: the river that ran through his adopted hometown of Hollyhill, Florida, 222 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: So it probably was yeah. So changing changing the name though, 223 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: let him reregister the vessel, oh okay, which is why 224 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: he did it. So this time he did so under 225 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: British flags, and that put him even further out of reach. 226 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: From American authorities. So, as I'm mentioned earlier, McCoy he 227 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: refused to lower the standards of his smuggled product. So 228 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: there were a lot of bootleggers, rum runners. They cut 229 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: their hall with water or sometimes even turpentine to make 230 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: it go further and to kill more people. Not Bill. 231 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: He'd never cut it. He never switched labels. He only 232 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: sold the real McCoy. That's what my pap used to 233 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: tell me. It was known because you could count on it, 234 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: because it was the only one that wasn't cut it 235 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: cut boots, didn't mess around with any of the bottles, 236 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: the packaging. That's what his customers would say, Hey, this 237 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: is the real McCoy. He became like a prestige, luxury 238 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: luxury brand because of it. His rum was renowned as 239 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: the gold standard, and that let him set his price 240 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: at top dollar. Hell yeah, So outside of American ports 241 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: at the time, just pass the maritime limit and I'll 242 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: get to that whole issue in a second, there would 243 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: be these lines of ships filled with illegal booze waiting 244 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: to offload their cargo and sneak it to shore. They're 245 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: called rum rows, yeah, and ones all up and down 246 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: the Florida coast. They're also outside of the East Coast, 247 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: supports New Orleans, San Francisco in the rum row frequented 248 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: by McCoy. His pricing was set as the official price 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: of booze coming in, and so his status in the 250 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: booze criming community it rose, and he expanded his business 251 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: to include five boats. He had dozens of men. They 252 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: made trips monthly between the Bahamas and Florida. He transported 253 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: approximately two million bottles of alcohol during his career, two million. 254 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: His brother Ben would meet Tomoca in a rowboat and 255 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: he'd bring them fresh water, meat, vegetable, all this food, newspapers, 256 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: the public. He wanted to see the newspapers because the 257 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: public is fascinated by bootleggers, moonshiners, speakeasies. Yeah, and McCoy 258 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: more than happy to provide stories. Right. So he claimed 259 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: that hit to find inspiration in John Hancock of pre 260 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: revolutionary Boston. That was his role model. I like it. 261 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: He called himself a quote honest lawbreaker. He can also 262 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: take a stock and Sam Adams. Yeah. So McCoy. He 263 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: took pride in the fact that he quote never paid 264 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: a cent to law enforcement, politicians or organized crime families 265 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: for protection, and he was known. He had never carried 266 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: a debt. He always paid his debts. Um, when we 267 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: come back, I'll tell you about McCoy and his dance 268 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: with the Coast Guard. All right, all right, we're back. 269 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: Oh look at us. That's good. Um. When we left off, 270 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Bill McCoy flouting the laws of the land, smuggling rum 271 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: into the US from the Bahamas. I told you about 272 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: the rum row boats anchored just outside the marri Yeah, 273 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: it was Bill McCoy who figured out how to exploit 274 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: that technicality. Oh so he's like to Mickey Cohen from California, 275 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we stod out here. Ain't nothing they 276 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: can do. Exactly, So, the Coastguard they could only legally 277 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: operate within the three mile maritime boundary the coast. Beyond 278 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: that all bets are off. McCoy. He would drop anchor 279 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: just beyond the boundary, offload his goods onto smaller, faster 280 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: boats that could then outpace any of the Coastguard cutters. 281 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: And since the deals were going down in international waters, 282 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: he's technically not breaking the world completely. He's clean. Here's 283 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: something to note, though. Prohibition ratified January sixteenth, nineteen nineteen. 284 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: At that time, the maritime limit was three miles. On 285 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: April twenty first, nineteen twenty four, it was changed to 286 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: twelve miles. I was wondering when it got to twelve So, 287 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: what's the significance of this April nineteen twenty four. Heads, Well, 288 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: it was about a week after the Anti Heroin Act 289 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty four was introduced to Congress, and that 290 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: prohibited the importer possession of opium for the chemical synthesis 291 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: of heroin. Sure, So that passed the Senate May twenty seventh, 292 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four, signed into law June seventh. So it 293 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: looks like the extension of the maritime limit was actually 294 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: not so much for the war on the drink, but 295 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: more on the early days of the war on the drugs. Huh. 296 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: So they wanted to be able to push those boats 297 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: out further and then give them a chance to catch 298 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: him because ye okay, yeah. So either way, McCoy's plan 299 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: sitting just outside the line worked perfectly. So we had 300 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: these main transport vessels waiting the contact boats would come up. 301 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: They were captained by local fishermen who were experts at 302 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: knowing all the little hidden landing points inlets, and all 303 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: Florida got plenty of those totally. After they exchange of 304 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: money and alcohols complete, the smaller boat sped away, meets 305 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: up with the truck the speed boat and the truck 306 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: vanished into the night. There it is so the knowledge 307 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: of his like rum running hack to create a rum 308 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: row spread quickly, and soon there's like rows of boats 309 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: all over the place. So he invented the rum row. 310 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: This is what Florida historian Jean Burnett no relation, I 311 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: don't think, had to say the way people quote. The 312 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: US Coastguard was sorely undermanned in the early years, effective 313 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: by day and aid of a spotter plane, but hard 314 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: pressed at night. Often the rum fleets, mostly speedy motor boats, 315 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: would slowly move out of the mouseholds at Biminy, cat 316 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: Key or gun Key and wait for sunset. Then they 317 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: would spread out fan fashion, picking up speed, and scoot 318 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: like so many water bugs, often cutting between two Coastguard 319 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: cutters to avoid the staccato rain of machine gun fire. 320 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Right they were firing, they were firing on them. So 321 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: the Coastguard was given twenty American Navy destroyers in order 322 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: to fight rum runners. What are they going to do 323 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: with destroyers? Go out to the row and be like yeah, 324 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: so like but here's the rum runners. Weren't just fighting 325 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: the Coastguard. They also fighting they're smugglers, right, so they've 326 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: commonedoer boats. They trossed the crew overboard. Back to McCoy 327 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: and Tomocus. Yeah, you got to worry that sometimes if 328 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: you were getting pulled over up by a boat, that 329 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: it may be one of your rivals pretending to be 330 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: the coast exactly exactly. So um transit papers made it 331 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: look like Tomoca was transporting alcohol legally from the Bahamas 332 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: to Halifax, Nova Scotia. So they they're like, look, we 333 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: were allowed to have this on there. What happens in between? 334 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. So regardless of whether or not Tomoca 335 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: ever dropped anchor in Halifax, there were no laws that 336 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 1: prevented him from selling his booze in international waters. Like 337 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: I said, so as long as he did his business there, 338 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: he's within his legal rights. He had strict rules in place. 339 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: He had only let two customers on board at a time, 340 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: and so it's like going into or jewelry shop. A 341 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: gunner kept a swivel machine gun trained on any nearby 342 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: vessels to make sure there's no trouble. So like while 343 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: you got the two people on you, you're under the gun. 344 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: McCoy took things a step further. He established a land 345 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: base on the island of Saint Pierre. And he's getting 346 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: into like bond Villain levels now, right, So he's outside 347 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: of US law. He's in a French colony. There's no 348 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: competitors nearby. His He transformed the economy of this of 349 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: this island. Under his guidance, it becomes a commercial merchant port. 350 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pretty much because of him. Will you see that? 351 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: Like in um the peaky blinders up north, they one 352 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: because they're bringing in all their Irish whiskey exactly, and 353 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: that's the lifeblood. So McCoy he has this crew of 354 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: eight guys. They'd sell cases of liquor bottles. They'd stack 355 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: them and then wrap them in burlap packages labeled as 356 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: like hams or sometimes they'd just write sacks like this 357 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: is a sack. Don't worry about what's inside. What's He 358 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: invented this thing called the burlock. Burlock I never heard 359 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: of that. It's six bottles wrapped in straw and then 360 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: stacked pyramid style, three on the bottom, two on top, 361 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: one on top of that, and then all of it 362 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: is sewed up really tightly in burlap, and so it's 363 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: really compact and easy to stow. And some of them 364 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: they would line with salt, so when they'd toss them overboard, 365 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: the sacks would sink, but then the salt would dissolve 366 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: and then the sacks would float back to the top. Wow, 367 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: that is Zaren level science. You can see my fight. 368 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: My face light up. So Rumroe had major party vibes. 369 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: Feel like it was rude dude central out there. There's 370 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: basically it's a debauched pirate convention. Jazz bands performed on 371 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: board like for tourists. Crewmen taunted and heckled the coastguard 372 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: the like mean orner um. There's gambling. As you said, 373 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: there were prostitutes. They'd make twice as much money by 374 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: sea as they did on shore. Okay, because kind of 375 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: like with the gold camps where it's like you're gonna 376 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: make a bottle more because there's no women out there 377 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: exactly now. McCoy he was a teetotaler. He never indulged 378 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: in any of the vices associated with the illicit rum 379 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: running trade. Wow, that is dranked and gamble. Yeah. He 380 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: did have a weakness though. Oh beauty, oh yeah, so 381 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: for him, that beauty went by the name Gertrude Cleo Lithgo, 382 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Gertrude Cleo, Ligo British. Well, I don't know, so Lithgo. 383 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: She was given the name Cleo because she was considered 384 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: to be as beautiful as Queen Cleopatra herself. She was 385 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: called the Queen of the Bahamas. Her nickname. Yeah, okay, 386 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Gertrude was her So I mean I would go with 387 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: Cleo over Girtrud. No offense to any Gertrude's So people 388 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: called her the Queen of the Bahamas. She had all 389 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: these suitors, she never married, and she ran a full 390 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: empire all by herself. The one man she did give 391 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: attention to, at least professionally, Captain McCoy. So this is 392 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: what McCoy had to say about Cleo to Robert Wrigley, 393 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: who was a journalist. Quote, she was a tall, slender 394 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: girl with black hair, a brain as steady as her own, 395 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: dark eyes, and a history that was nobody's business. She 396 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: came to Nassau as an agent for Haig and mctavish's 397 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: Scotch whiskey. No one knew from where. She made no 398 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: secret of her background, but she told an entirely different 399 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: tale to everyone who asked. She was born in California, 400 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: she'd been born in India. She was a Gypsy, She'd 401 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: been raised in the Middle West. You could take your 402 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: choice members of the rum mob who drew their own 403 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: conclusions concerning her and then tried to operate accordingly, probably 404 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: will recall the breathtaking fury she could show, and one 405 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: or two must remember the pistol jammed into their ribs. 406 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: By way of making things clear, Nassau was not the 407 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: best place in those days for attractive, unprotected women. But 408 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: though she was the former, she certainly was not the latter. 409 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: An able, thoroughly competent girl, was she No twittery Jane 410 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: in whom one could make passes with impunity. She expected 411 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: others to mind their own business as she attended to hers. 412 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: She worked at that overtime, and in its course she 413 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: nearly ran me ragged. Dan, she sounds amazing. This isn't 414 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: Nassa on the Bahamas. Yeah, so it's like we're totally 415 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: reminded me of like the pirate cove of the black 416 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: sales and yeah, yeah, this is dope. And so Robert Wrigley, 417 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: that journalist, he had a big thing for Cleo like her. 418 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of men were sweet on her. 419 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: This is how he described her, quote, truly a wonderful personality, 420 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: a woman of cultivated taste, who can talk on books, 421 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: and who travels with the best music in her trunks 422 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: and shows such artistic taste and dress. She stands alone 423 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: and fearless, a woman who would grace any London drawing room. 424 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: She has commanded the respect and homage of this motley 425 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: and dubious throng, and is known in the trade as 426 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: the Queen of the Bahamas. Oh yeah, that's a love letter. 427 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's like please read this seriously. So McCoy, 428 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: he mentors Lythgo, and she followed his example of never 429 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: watering her own products. She saw the genius in that. 430 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: This was a point of pride for Lythgo. And then 431 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: when word got back to her that arrival was spreading 432 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: a lie that she sold compromise goods, she tracked this 433 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: guy down. This is what Wrigley wrote about this, that, 434 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: as Cleo told him, quote, everyone knows that my liquor 435 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: is the very best, she said, But for some reason 436 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: or another, this man thought he would criticize it to 437 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: other people. And he also said something unpleasant about me. Well, 438 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: I found him in a barber's shop with his face lathered, 439 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: and I just walked right in, and I told him 440 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to him. I fetched him along 441 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: to my office, and there I just warned him. I 442 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: told him I'd put a bullet through him. As sure 443 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: as he sat there. He went away mighty quick, because 444 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: she just like whips him out of the barber's share, 445 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: come with me. Just like, face still full of lather, 446 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: sitting there is dripping it on his jacket. She has 447 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: all this legend about where she's from and all her story. 448 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: She was actually born to keep that thing her. Oh yeah, 449 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: she's actually born in Bowling Green, Ohio, and was the 450 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: youngest of ten children. Her mom died when she was 451 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: really young, but she was able to then like reunite 452 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: with her father later with the help of an aunt. 453 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: Like it was just like this scattered family. She moves 454 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: to New York. She gets a job as a stenographer, 455 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: and then she becomes a junior accounts clerk for British 456 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Scotch whiskey wholesaler Haig and mc tavish. That's her entry. 457 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: So prohibition comes, she convinces her employer like, why don't 458 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: we import alcohol from the Bahamas? Like, let's just do 459 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: it there. So this time she moves down to Nassau 460 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: to help them. She opens a wholesale liquor store in 461 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: the Lucerne Hotel and that's where she also lived. She 462 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: became the first woman to possess a wholesale liquor license. 463 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: Now the Lucerne Hotel that was like bootlegger's headquarters. The 464 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: only thing is that it had more of booze was cash, 465 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: like there was just so much money on people to 466 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: hold down paper. This is what Jim Leggett of Whiskey 467 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: Magazine put put it. So Whiskey Magazine like, do you subscriber? 468 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've been a lifetime subscriber. Thing quote. Bar 469 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: tabs were paid in thousand dollar bills and every barman 470 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: could give change, So whiskey became a favorite down there. 471 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: Nineteen nineteen, over nine hundred gallons were exported from Scottish 472 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: distilleries and in nineteen twenty, the year after prohibition hit. 473 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: The shipment's totaled three hundred eighty six thousand gallons, So 474 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: litgo though Cleo, she's the middleman. She makes trips smuggling 475 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: rum directly into New Jersey with mccoya. At one point 476 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: she found herself caught kind of um. She got arrested 477 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: and was taken into the federal courts in New Orleans. 478 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: She was charged revenuers. She got charged with smuggling a 479 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: thousand barrels of whiskey and rum into New Orleans. Here's 480 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: the problem for the authorities, not for her. Um. While 481 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: it was she who arranged the shipment, the man she 482 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: put in charge of making the delivery betrayed her and 483 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: he tried to sell the goods on his own. He's 484 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: the one captured by the coast Guard. And then that 485 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: gave her the proof that looked I was nowhere near 486 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: this he had the shipment, So they let her go. 487 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: She gets out. Now this close brush made her a 488 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: little nervous, okay, So she decides to quit while she's ahead, 489 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: leave rum, run rumming for a more peaceful hobby. A 490 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: favorite among good criminals. Memoir writing. I picked the wrong 491 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: road to publish it before as you could do that, though, 492 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: she had one more matter to attend to. What's that, 493 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: Captain McCoy. Yeah. Yeah, when we get back from this break, 494 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: I'm going to let you know what happened to this 495 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: love affair? All right, Zaron yah yap okay. When we 496 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: left off, Bill McCoy ruling the waves, smuggling illegal alcohol 497 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: alongside the love of his life, Cleo lithgo dirty. Cleo 498 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: wants out of a life. Yeah. Um, she wants to 499 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: write her memoir take it Easy, but she knew that 500 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: McCoy wasn't ready for that. Oh really. Yeah, she you know, 501 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: she'd gotten through the whole New Orleans case and everything, 502 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: but she also after that, she's positive that she's jinxed, 503 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: and she's also positive she's going to be murdered. She 504 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: just has this feeling. So she's like, I gotta get 505 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: out of this. But then she also has to tell 506 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: McCoy then it's over, like spiritualism probably, I don't know, 507 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: it's curious. This is how so she has to tell 508 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: she has to break it to Bill McCoy, like we 509 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: can't do this, like we can't both be one in 510 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: one out. Yeah, So this is what she said. Quote 511 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: believe me. It's a tremendous temptation. But I still have 512 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: some unfinished business tails ends which must have my attention. 513 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: It is urgent that I return. There have been so 514 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: many interruptions as it is. Besides, I hardly think it 515 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: would be proper for me to stay aboard with three captains. 516 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: With that, he jumped up and grabbed me in his arms, saying, 517 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: I won't let you go. For once. I did not 518 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: resist his caresses. If you must go back, promise me 519 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: that you will get the slate cleared of whatever you 520 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: have to do as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I'll finish 521 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: the overhauling of the ships here and the one in Virginia. 522 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: We'll meet in Miami, then go on a long cruise 523 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: to the seas and just jog along as we please. 524 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: I won't let you go until you do. Promise. It 525 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: was with reluctance that I compelled myself to wake from 526 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: those wonderful moments. As I said goodbye with my arms 527 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: around his neck, I kissed him all right, Bill, I promise. Oh, 528 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: Cleo never saw him again. I knew it that. Yeah, 529 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: it's a heartbreaker. So The Fairmountain News of Indiana I'm 530 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: pulling for those I don't work it out well. They 531 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: like this is what they said about her in this 532 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: fair Fairmount News of Indiana, that her work as a smuggler, 533 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: quote brought her Paris gowns and jewels as big as 534 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: Hen's eggs, and the respect of the hardest boiled bootleggers 535 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: on the Atlantic seaboard. But she thinks her lucky star 536 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: has set a jinx has tracked her down from her 537 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: whiskey throne in Nassau, through the most luxurious hotels of 538 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: European capitals, through glamorous newspaper publicity, through hectic romances, to 539 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: the loneliness of a New York hotel suite where she 540 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: can hide from the world world and recover her lost 541 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: nerve and her health. So she's just like feeling pursued 542 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: by this, and she goes all over the globe trying 543 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: to find peace. So she spent the rest of her 544 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: life living in hotels. You know, she goes to Miami. 545 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: Then she lived in a hotel in Detroit for twenty 546 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: five years, the Teller, the Tuller Hotel on Grand Circus 547 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: Part I don't know, but she spent her last year's 548 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: writing her memoirs, The Bahama Queen, The Autobiography of Gertrude 549 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: Cleo Lithgow, published in nineteen sixty five. She passed away 550 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: at the age of eighty six in nineteen seventy four 551 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. So interesting life, right, so Cleo, she 552 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: stepped away from the life McCoy leaned into it. Zaren, yes, 553 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: close your eyes, yes, picture it. It's early morning on Sunday, 554 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, nineteen twenty three. You're part of a 555 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: crew of the Tomaco or Tomoco, Tomoca whatever, sailing off 556 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: the coast of Seabright, New Jersey. Just you're far enough 557 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: offshore to be in international waters. You hear a boat 558 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: approaching you from starboard. It's the Coastguard cutter Seneca. They've 559 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: been given orders to bring in the Tomoca or Sinka. 560 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: You don't know that, though. You hear a short sound 561 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: from the Seneca's horn, and then a voice coming over 562 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: the ship's tannoi. It's the lieutenant in charge of the Seneca. 563 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: He orders Captain McCoy to doc Tomoka at Sandy Hook, 564 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: New Jersey. He says that there's something amiss with McCoy's papers. 565 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: You look at McCoy. He looks at you, well, Captain, 566 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: You stand in the door of the cabin, holding the 567 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: mouthpiece to the ship's speaker out to McCoy, what's he 568 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: going to tell him? McCoy waves off your offer and 569 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: instead calls out slip the stern line while he steers 570 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: the ship away from the coastguard full speed ahead. The 571 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: chases on Zi. Yeah sama. You head below deck to 572 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: secure the cargo of rum you've got while McCoy careens 573 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: up and down the coast of aiding the Seneca. He 574 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: makes a hard turn and you realize that you're heading 575 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: out into the open ocean. Now. The coastline and its 576 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: speckled dabs a morning light from the little fishing cabins. 577 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: They disappear from view. Suddenly you hear a frightful sound. Bang. 578 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: The Seneca has fired a shell across your bow. McCoy's 579 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: at the helm, steady at the wheel. You and your 580 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: crewmates scatter to the wooden cases along the deck and 581 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: reach in for your tools to trade machine guns. Yeah, 582 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: give me that, Tommy, guy to the forward deck yells McCoy. 583 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: You and the other deck hands return fire. You're firing 584 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: on the United States Coastguard, damn right. So the Seneca 585 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: responds one, two, three, four, shells fly at you. They're 586 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: getting so close now that they're splashing seawater onto the deck. 587 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: McCoy realizes he's no match for their firepower, so he 588 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: lowers the jib. The men from the Coastguard they come 589 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: and they board the ship. McCoy's gone below deck at 590 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: this point. So there he is sitting with four hundred 591 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: cases of whiskey and sixty thousand dollars in cash. That's 592 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: just over a million in today's money. So million bucks, 593 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: four hundred cases a whiskey. So the Coastguard commandeer the ship. 594 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: They make their way back to Sandy Hook, New Jersey, 595 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: seventeen some odd miles away. On the way, McCoy, he 596 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: takes you and all your fellow crewmen belowdeck, pays each 597 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: of you your wages, and then says really heartfelt goodbyes 598 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: to his loyal crew. So words spread that the infamous 599 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: real McCoy had been captured at the station. Reporters asked 600 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: him what his defense would be at the trial. This 601 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: is what he said, quote, I have no tale of 602 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: woe to tell you. I was outside the three mile limits. 603 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: Selling whiskey and good whiskey to anyone and everyone who 604 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: wanted to buy. She's like, look, I shameless. So it 605 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: took like, look I did what I did. We all 606 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: know what I did. It took two years to go 607 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: to trial, all this dragging on. So he's found guilty, 608 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: sentenced to nine months in prison in March of nineteen 609 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: twenty five. But Bill McCoy was a celebrity at this point, 610 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: you know in the papers, all this other stuff, and 611 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: we know how celebrity criminals are often treated, so not 612 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: like criminals at all. Basically we're getting at So the 613 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 1: warden let him lead the leave the prison every day 614 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: as long as he was back by nine pm curfew. 615 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: He's like, look, I don't care what you do when 616 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: you're out there, just be back by night after you 617 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: got interviews to do. Oh yeah, rich people hang out with. 618 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: One time he goes out and he sits ringside at 619 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: a prize fight at Ebbott's Field in Brooklyn. Oh, it's 620 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: just out, you know, taking it all in. You know, 621 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: he didn't get the best seats. That's the prison, Elizabeth. 622 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: Remember how I told you that the government pushed the 623 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: maritime boundary out in eighty three miles to twelve. The 624 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: government also invested in faster cutters for the coast Guard. 625 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: More and more rum runners were arrested and their boats 626 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: were confiscated. By the time that prohibition was repealed in 627 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, what remained of the rum running trade 628 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: just vanished overnight. Obviously, so in nineteen thirty three, long 629 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: after retiring from run running, McCoy began selling his own 630 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: personal brand of whiskey, called the Real McCoy. It had 631 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: like an illustration of his boat on the label. He 632 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: went back to Florida with his brother Ben and invested 633 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: in real estate. He passed away at the age of 634 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: seventy one from a heart attack in complications of tomine poisoning. 635 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: I shouldn't laugh at that December thirtieth, nineteen forty eight 636 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: in Stuart, Florida. He was out at sea in his 637 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: private yacht Huh. In twenty thirteen, Bailey Pryor made a 638 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: documentary about him, with a line of rum to go 639 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: with it, going to Barbados and teaming up with Richard 640 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: Seal of Four Square Distillery. Oh cool whatever, So in honor, 641 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: though in honor of Captain McCoy's habit of providing only 642 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: the best rum. They produced three years silver rum that 643 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: was age, no barrels, with no sugar, no flavor additives, 644 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: as well as a twelve year super Premium variety. So Zarin, 645 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous takeaway? I wish I liked rum? Right? 646 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: My dad loves dark rum. He loves light rum, like 647 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: though clear white RUMs. So he's all about Myers and 648 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: Bacardi all those RUMs that I'm just you know, naming 649 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: some nods. Get him a bottle of the real McCoy 650 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: for Oh no, he definitely would. But I when I 651 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: go to see him, he'll pour be a glass of rum. 652 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: And I'm always like, you know, I hate this molasses liquor? 653 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: What are you doing to me here? Pop? Can't you 654 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: get good Irish whiskey? But he doesn't like whiskey and 655 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: I do, so we meet it tequila. So what's ridiculous 656 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: is is this story, no matter how strange it is, 657 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: reminds me of my father and makes me want tequila. 658 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: So there you go. That's amazing, it's amazing. What about you, Elizabeth? 659 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: What's your ridiculous take I did I see how that's how? 660 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: That's how. That's done. That's how polite people do these things. 661 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: I see, Um my ridiculous takeaway is again I love 662 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: a good prohibition smuggler story. Oh yeah, you know, no 663 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: one was killed. So and it's also it's given the 664 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: people what they want, and it's based on like an 665 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: arbitrary rule. Like you know me, I'm I'm not somebody 666 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: who's like, oh the like we should just disregard loss. 667 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that, but I also don't believe we 668 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: should hold true the laws that are just arbitrary and 669 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: weird and bizarre and abstract. It just makes no sense. 670 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: So some laws are, in my opinion, you know, nonsense, 671 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: and so this one is we both agree it was nonsense. 672 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: And so the way he did it, I applaud him. 673 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: He didn't hurt people, he didn't use violence like a 674 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: bunch of other people. He wasn't he was selling a 675 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: good product, he wasn't hurting people. I don't see the problem, 676 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: and I applaud him. And I love the little sense 677 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: of adventure about it, and like, you know, like the 678 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: like I said, like the little hidden coves that into 679 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know this, it's like I mean, I'm 680 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: all about like the traitor vic lifestyle of like, oh yeah, 681 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: I gotta hide in these little coves and got to 682 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: meet a guy on a fro a boat and you know, 683 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: I mean like an evening gets to be close to 684 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: like I don't know, spit the difference between Travis McGee, 685 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: like the amateur detective from Florida and then like the 686 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: real McCoy rum runner. I'm somewhere in between there and 687 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: neither of them really have like our law abiders, right, Yea, 688 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: there you go, Florida. Well that's it. That's what we 689 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: have today, Florida. You can find us online a Ridiculous 690 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: Crime on both Twitter for the talking Instagram for the galkin. 691 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: Email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com, download 692 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: the iHeart app everybody. They're not even telling me to 693 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: do this. I just really like talkbacks them in. They're 694 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: so funny. You don't know, you don't know what I do? Uh, 695 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: tune in next time. 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