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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Golds in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. And it is a holiday weekend

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Speaker 2: during more ways than one.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, holiday.

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Speaker 2: Weekend because Waiver Day weekend. Right, holiday weekend because our

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Speaker 2: last weekend of the seat of the year without the

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Speaker 2: NFL football a.

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Speaker 3: Right, we even see all like college football last night.

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Speaker 3: There's a bunch this weekend. I'm heading the Deep Creek

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Speaker 3: as soon as we're done here for my quote fantasy draft.

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Speaker 3: And we do do that. But it's always a great weekend.

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Speaker 3: And then I come home and it's just football all

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Speaker 3: the time for me, and I'm like, okay, we can't wait.

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Speaker 3: Great weekend. I hope everyone has a blast. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: we got football right around.

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Speaker 4: The corner, right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: And because of that, Matt.

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Speaker 4: It's time for our addictions for the season. Promised it yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I've given it some thought. So where do you

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Speaker 3: want to start? I don't care.

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Speaker 4: We'll save the AFC North for last.

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Speaker 3: You'll start in the NFC. Well, look, well we can start.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the AFC first. Okay, division winners, Division winners,

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Speaker 3: AFC East. That's the hardest one for me. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to go with Buffalo. Okay, I could see it. Remember

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Speaker 3: last year they were looked like they were so far

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Speaker 3: out of it and they snuck in. Yeah, I could

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Speaker 3: see something like that happening, just because seventeen games of

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Speaker 3: the Jets could be a lot for them. You know,

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Speaker 3: the first couple of months might be real good and

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Speaker 3: then age We've talked to no end about Miami's not

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Speaker 3: the same at the beginning of the year as the end.

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Speaker 3: Buffalo's got a quarterback and they have a coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: and they have gotten a little more physical with a

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Speaker 3: run game and big mauling guards and things like that

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Speaker 3: that I think they'll figure it out as long as

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Speaker 3: Allen is Superman remains being Superman, and I'm gonna take

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Speaker 3: them to narrowly squeak it out the last leg of

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Speaker 3: the race to win the East. I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins. Ya.

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Speaker 4: I don't love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think that which a good team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're you know, offensively, they'll be fine. Sure, obviously,

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Speaker 2: and I think that the other two I think I

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Speaker 2: think Buffalo slipped just enough to open the door. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I've got I'm even gonna give you records here.

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Speaker 2: I've got Miami winning the division at eleven and six.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't go that far, but we could do

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Speaker 3: over unders on wind totals if you want at something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also have the Bills and Jets finishing tied for

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Speaker 2: second at both at ten and seven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And then I think it should be tight. I mean,

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Speaker 4: And the Patriots finishing lasted three and fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't ask me where the three come from.

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Speaker 3: Squeak something out. But they got a tough schedule too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're even in the hunt. There's first

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Speaker 3: for the Patriots. Yeah, I honestly believe that it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, their offensive lines a mess, the defense is

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Speaker 3: As good as it was. Losing Belichick doesn't help outside

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Speaker 4: In the AFC South, what do you got?

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Speaker 3: I'm going with Houston, But I don't think that they're

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Speaker 3: just going to be one of the best teams in

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Speaker 3: I think they had this conversation that Aaron Schottz was

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Speaker 3: a really good offseason, they were super injured last year

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Speaker 3: and still but I don't agree with them. I just

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Speaker 3: think that it's hard to be a second year quarterback

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Speaker 3: or four games, and that's a long way to go.

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Speaker 3: So I think that they might be I do like

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Speaker 2: I think their schedule sets up though nicely for them

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Speaker 4: That that might be the step back that they actually take.

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Speaker 3: They don't get to be a final four team or

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Speaker 4: So I got them winning twelve games.

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Speaker 2: I got Jacksonville finishing at nine and eight, the Colts

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Speaker 2: at seven and ten, the Titans at six and eleven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to comment too much on the

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Speaker 3: so okay, I mean I think we see it similarly.

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Speaker 3: We're both picking Houston the win division. Though. Yeah. In

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Speaker 3: the AFC West, I'm taking the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: I get the Chiefs going thirteen to four this year.

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Speaker 3: I think they might be an easy one seed. I

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Speaker 3: think they'll go six and zero in their division. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I really do. I mean they're over under wind. Tone

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Speaker 3: of division should.

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Speaker 4: Be five and a half, five and three quarters.

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Speaker 3: Five and three quarters. I don't think we've just spent

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Speaker 3: win the division. Even threw it out there yesterday. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if Mahomes were to miss a month, I think they

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Speaker 3: think they could win the division.

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Speaker 2: I got them win in the division by five games. Wow,

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Speaker 2: which could be interesting for that Steelers game on Christmas

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Speaker 2: if they're up that much, and they very well could be.

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Speaker 2: Could they rest from starters that week?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a short week for them? Two a week? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you don't want get them too banged up.

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Speaker 2: Play some guys in the finale, and just you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean they may need to win some of these

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Speaker 3: But it might be a nice place to take it easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody who's got anything is probably might play in

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Speaker 3: Right, doesn't mean you rest mahomes and right, you know,

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Speaker 2: I do have the Chargers finishing second only because their

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Speaker 3: I probably will as well, but I don't have them.

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Speaker 4: I don't have them in playoff contention like some other people.

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't down the AFC chart. Yeah, yeah, like

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Speaker 3: they would definitely be fifth in the North. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I kind of waffled a little bit on

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Speaker 2: last place where last seven wins each. I just can't

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Speaker 2: I'm about there with them too. I might even have

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Speaker 2: less wins than that for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So let's go on then to the who wins the North?

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Speaker 2: Who wins the North? I've got Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel super strong about it. I felt

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Speaker 3: stronger about it a month ago than I do now.

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Speaker 4: I still feel pretty good about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Burrow believer. Yeah, and I think the Chase

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Speaker 3: stuff works itself out. Yeah, defense has to be better.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we went over that part of that

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Speaker 2: early part of the schedule yesterday, like it's pretty cake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good point. I don't think the run defense

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Speaker 3: I mean I think he's it's gonna be. In the

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Speaker 2: The Steelers and Ravens both tied at ten wins in

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Speaker 2: second place, by Cincinnati winning eleven games, Steelers and Ravens

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Speaker 2: both finishing at ten and seven, Cleveland in last place

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't see all four team it was it'd

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Speaker 3: it may'd be really hard to happen again. You have

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Speaker 3: to bet against four winning teams of division. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean that's just again, it was a historic season. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are a better team than they

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Speaker 3: were last year. But the schedule, you know, if they played,

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Speaker 3: if they were playing last year's schedule with this team,

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Speaker 3: I think they win eleven or twelve games, yes, or

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Speaker 3: just didn't average schedule?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I mean they're playing Cincinnati schedule.

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Speaker 3: You're right, they might win. There's a couple of nice

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Speaker 3: ones in there that are you should win. I hear you. Okay,

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Speaker 3: pick your like your first wild card or just three

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Speaker 3: wild cards period? Do you have them in order? I

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Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily put them in order, but I got Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: They all finish at ten and seven of my mock.

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Speaker 3: I have the Ravens is the five seed. I have

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Speaker 3: Miami as a six and the Steelers is a seven.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we both have the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: I think were the same playoff teams, but different division winners.

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Speaker 3: Just some yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the same seven. Go.

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Speaker 4: I don't have the Jets getting in. I don't either

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Speaker 3: I was a little tempted by Jacksonville and Indy. But

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Speaker 3: in the NFC, I would have maybe put them in.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the AFC's are really tough, it really is,

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Speaker 3: and you know, young quarterbacks. There are some things that.

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Speaker 2: Happen in that in that AFC South that like the

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Speaker 2: Colts always beat the Jaguars regardless of.

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Speaker 3: How good, Oh they got the rock paper.

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis always loses the Tennessee regardless of how good.

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Speaker 4: So they all kind of.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, the NFC West had that going for

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Speaker 3: a rock paper scissor thing going. Okay, so we have

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Speaker 3: the same seven playoff teams, but in different manifestations.

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Speaker 2: And I guess, you know, I have them in this

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Speaker 3: They would go ten wins, you know, they would go

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Speaker 3: think Bengals would be the well, I guess it would

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Speaker 3: be Cincinnati or Miami could do the same records down

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Speaker 3: to tiebreaker. I didn't go, yeah, I didn't see them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, NFC, that's I see things playing out. Who do

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Speaker 3: And lean towards since he is the only team that

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Speaker 3: can really hang with the Chiefs, And I know it's

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Speaker 3: so bo, but I'm taking the chief So yeah. I

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Speaker 2: In the NFC. All right, I got Philadelphia winning the East.

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Speaker 3: just think they're a good, well organized, really good strong

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Speaker 2: I got them in eleven and six, Dallas at ten

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Speaker 2: Chicago finishes third. I got them at seven and ten.

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Speaker 2: In the West, I have San Francisco winning it me too,

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Speaker 3: They're not in the NFC for that was reason.

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Speaker 4: In the NFC playoffs, I got Detroit winning that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. I got to because the Lions

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Speaker 3: To the Super Bowl me too. Be a fun super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: I have the same, but I have the Chiefs winning

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt one of the things that

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Speaker 3: And these comments are common yeah all the time.

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Speaker 2: What world are you living in that you look at

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right? Reality. I got a real similar call Mike

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00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 3: Pursuder and I on the pregame. I think it was

438
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 3: the last game postgame show in the preseason, and it

439
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 3: was along those lines. This is one of the worst,

440
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 3: you know, bottom third teams. I think that was one

441
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: of the maybe the same person who knows. And I'm like, okay,

442
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be nice. I'm like, I understand your

443
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: frustration that they have one playoff game. I get aware

444
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 3: of I get it. I'm aware of that. But tell

445
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 3: me they've been bad lately. When they don't have a

446
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 3: losing record, that's not bad. That's not based in reality,

447
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 3: right right? I mean nine to eight, eight and nine

448
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: every year is average? Bad?

449
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: Is what's happening in New England right now?

450
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: That's bad.

451
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 4: That's bad.

452
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: You guys haven't seen bad in a long time.

453
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 4: No, And that's the thing.

454
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 2: So when you look at this quote unquote non losing yeah, yeah, yeah,

455
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: twenty years without a losing record. Kids have gone in

456
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 2: the grade school, they've been born, going in the grade school,

457
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: gone all the way through.

458
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: High school, are in college right now?

459
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, my son turns eighteen in two days. Has never

460
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: seen the Steelers have a losing record, right, or the

461
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: twenty five year olds that when they were old enough

462
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: to know what the heck they're watching. The two year

463
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: olds aren't tuned into that, have never seen a bad team.

464
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: They don't know. You don't know what bad looks like

465
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 2: because apparently you don't watch anybody else in the league play.

466
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: Right, Right. If you want to say this is an

467
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 3: average team over the last five years, that's a strong argument.

468
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: That's a real argument bad is not. I kind of

469
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: went off on a rant that that night too. It's late,

470
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 3: and I'm like, how can you tell me they're badly?

471
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 3: You know they're talking like over the last decade. I'm like,

472
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: there either have been average or above average or well

473
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: above average for your that whole stretch you've talked about.

474
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: They've never been bad.

475
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: I've seen bad Steeler team, Sure there are, am I

476
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: was in that age in the eighties.

477
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they were bad, Like at the end of

478
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: the ol Ero was bad. They were bad league.

479
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: Some bad Steeler teams ninety eight ninety nine were bad

480
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: football teams.

481
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: It does happen. It.

482
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: I just and I hate to call Steelers fans spoiled

483
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: because I understand the expectations.

484
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: But we were about the Lions in the super Bowl.

485
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: You could be Lyons fans, folks. I mean, I've never

486
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: won anything. They've been bad most years of my life. Yeah,

487
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: I mean bad, not even right, like they're not winning

488
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: a game, bad exactly like the fact that they're in

489
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Conversation, I think is the first time

490
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 3: in my life I'd even say that. Even the Calvin Johnson,

491
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders, Stafford, they got to be kind of playoffish.

492
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: When they went out and signed Scott Mitchell, they thought

493
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: they were gonna be.

494
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: Good, right, right, I mean bad. Most years have been bad.

495
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: The Browns, most years have been bad. Yeah, I just

496
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 3: you know, he would throw these words around, you know,

497
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: and that's.

498
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: What you know. Sometimes you end up defending things that

499
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: you have absolutely no desire, like when we talk about

500
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: first of all, Mike Tomlin never mentions the fact that

501
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: he's never had a losing record.

502
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: No he doesn't. There's not a banner behind him. No.

503
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 2: But when it comes out is when people start saying

504
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: he's a bad head coach, right, because you don't consistently

505
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: win in this league.

506
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: Being a bad coach, no consistency is really hard in

507
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: this league. Yea, because injuries hit. I mean the Duck

508
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 3: Hodge's years hit. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like

509
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: that happens to That could happen to the Chiefs this year.

510
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: I mean that could happen. It didn't really happen to

511
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: Belichick and Brady, but there was a year Brady didn't

512
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: play and they still want eleven.

513
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: Andy Reid's had losing seasons. Yeah, Sean Payton had losing

514
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: He had three straight losing seasons.

515
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: Breese Harbaugh was on the hot seat whenever Lamar fired, right,

516
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for if Lamar would have been a bust,

517
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: Harbaugh would not be the coach coach there, yeah, no question.

518
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: And yet Tom Win has held this thing together and

519
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: found ways to.

520
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Win even when things haven't been perfect, and.

521
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: Well they're never perfect, but when they're disaster, he still

522
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: keeps the ship of fo And I get it.

523
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: You know, you you expect you want playoff wins, you

524
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: want to compete for the super Bowl.

525
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: But the first step in.

526
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 4: Competing for the super Bowl is having a winning record.

527
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, competing in the second. Yeah. The second is making

528
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Yeah.

529
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I never apologize for team having a winning

530
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: record or making the playoffs.

531
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: No, because there's been many instances where six seed makes

532
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: noise or the seven seed or five years run of

533
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: Super Bowl is the last seme. You know, you get in,

534
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: you got to punch your chance, you get a bounce

535
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: or whatever, or you're the better team, or you get

536
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: the right matchups or whatever.

537
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 4: You get hot at the right time, your health get in.

538
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's something I say, I forget. I'm sure it'll

539
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: come up, but.

540
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: It just boggles my mind that people just brush this

541
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: aside like it means nothing.

542
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: No, one hundred per I mean, I think any NFL

543
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: head coach, whether it was Belichick or someone that lasted

544
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: half a season, would be like, that's a remarkable achievement.

545
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: I've been in that that that seat Belichick, another one

546
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: had losing seasons. Yeah, as the Patriots coach, some things

547
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 3: go awry, you know, like it wasn't our year. And

548
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: I wonder, not even quarterback. If you if you took

549
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: the best player off a team, and I'm talking about TJ.

550
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: Watt that year, how many people would have a winning

551
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: record without the best player, even if it's quarterback, you know,

552
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: like if it's Jefferson in Minnesota or Michael Parsons or

553
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like an elite player misses

554
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: basically the whole year and you still didn't become a

555
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: bad team.

556
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: That's that to me is the thing that stands out

557
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 2: about last season. They got thirteen touchdown passes from the quarterbacks. Yeah,

558
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward missed the large chunk of the season, was

559
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: not the same player once he returned.

560
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: MIKEA.

561
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick missed a good chunk of the season. Pat Fryarmouth

562
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: and Deontay Johnson missed large chunks of the season. The

563
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: linebacker corps was devastated from from the middle of the

564
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: season on, and they somehow found a way to win

565
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: ten games.

566
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: Yep. And there were bleak times and that Patriot Cardinal

567
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: ten days, I get it, Yeah, bleak, I mean, and

568
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: they were bad football teams that the Steelers lost to,

569
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: and without linebackers and very little at safety and miss Trubisky,

570
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 3: they ended up getting in the playoffs though, you season

571
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: that's over.

572
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: That's what people forget about those two games, in particular,

573
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: that the game against the Cardinal Patriots the Cardinals and

574
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: Patriots game. Trubisky played the second half of that game

575
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: against the Cardinals and started the next week against New England.

576
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: I know it's funny to kick third on Kenny, but

577
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: Kenny wins those games, or at least, you know, And

578
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: I think Rudolph last year wins those games, or at

579
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: least one of the two go differently, you know what

580
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean?

581
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: And wrong about mister Risky me too.

582
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: Me too. I thought he's worth taking a risk on

583
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: reclamation project. I don't know that he's even a good two.

584
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he is. To be honest

585
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: with you, I'm certain he's not a good two. Rudolph's

586
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: a good two. Yeah yeah, Kenny might be a good two.

587
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. Kenny might be a starter at some

588
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: point again in this league. I don't know.

589
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: Nobody does, you know, But.

590
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: To discount what Tomlin has done and what this roster is,

591
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can look at this roster

592
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: and say it's a bottom third roster in the league.

593
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so either. I mean, I

594
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: don't think it's number one, but I don't think it's

595
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: close to twenty five or lower.

596
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 4: No, that's what bottom third would.

597
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: Be, right, right, right, I mean go look at like Washington's. Yeah,

598
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean like the Giants, not in Washington. Joe Lineman

599
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: would probablyven start here.

600
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: I've heard people say the Steelers wide receiver group is

601
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: the worst.

602
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: In the league. I don't think so. I mean, it's

603
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: take a look at the Patriots and if that's your week,

604
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: you look at the Chargers. That's their weakest position. I

605
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: think we'd all admit that wide receivers their weakest position,

606
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: and it's not the worst in the league.

607
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: People are talking about the Chargers being well they're gonna

608
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: be hardballs, there are going to be a playoff team.

609
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: Well, take a look at that, at.

610
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: That wide receiver group. Take a look at their running

611
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: back room. Yeah, show me where that where their skill

612
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: position players are.

613
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: Tight ends aren't any better. No, Yeah, it's it's real bad.

614
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: And their detackle linebacker situation is atrocious. I mean it's

615
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: their starters might not make this team a defensive line

616
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: interior guys, they're bad. They're replacement level dudes. Side note,

617
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: I watched the there's a Netflix Harbaugh's signal stealing thing.

618
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: I watched it last night, and I urge everyone to

619
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: check it out. It's pretty interesting. Yeah, it doesn't paint

620
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: them in a wonderful light, but yeah.

621
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: That's the that's the thing.

622
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: And I like I've talked with Tim Benn's about it,

623
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: some other guys in the media about this, Like you

624
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: sometimes you wind up defending players or things that you

625
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: had no intention.

626
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: Right, I didn't plan on having this fight.

627
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: Because of the over the top statements that some people

628
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: make about this, that's the worst ever. Threll Evans was

629
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: the worst first round pick in the history of the Steelers, right, No,

630
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: he wasn't.

631
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: And my favorite example in the Drive history is when

632
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: they traded for Maca. Yeah, you know, and I got it.

633
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: I mean Ben was good at that point of his

634
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: career and he was out for the year, and it

635
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: was like, that's going to be an early pick. It could,

636
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's a catastrophic loss. For most

637
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: teams it would be get that. But I remember vividly,

638
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: like the next couple of days after that trade, we

639
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: went through it and we're like, you've seen the ts,

640
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: you know, Like I mean some of the teams were

641
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: almost impossi for the Steelers to finish below.

642
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: One of the things to me that defines a good

643
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: head coach in any sport is playing.

644
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: Winning football. However you need to do it, yeah, yeah.

645
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: And that to me is what makes Mike Tomlin a

646
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: good football coach. When he had Ben Roethlisberger, the Killer Bees, Yes,

647
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: he put the foot on the gas pedal, they threw

648
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: the ball. That's when they talked about scoring thirty points

649
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: a game in awesome because the defense wasn't as good.

650
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, they were making it over right from those

651
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: you know.

652
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: Fame quarterback with the best receiver in the league, and

653
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: they were a good offense.

654
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: You know, maybe the best running back in the league,

655
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Speaker 4: certainly in the top three.

656
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: And so you you you wanted all those dudes on

657
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Speaker 3: your fantasy team. I mean it's much different that has

658
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: been in recent years.

659
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: And you know, when you don't have that, you played

660
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: a little closer to the vest and you try to

661
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: win with your defense.

662
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you put a governor on picket and make

663
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: sure he turned over, because every game you turn the

664
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Speaker 3: ball over, you lose, right everyone you don't you're in it.

665
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: And then that's the one score game cup mentality. You know,

666
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: can we out tough them in the end. And the

667
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: answer has been.

668
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a segment of fans out there again who

669
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: think that Tomlin he he's just a super conservative coach.

670
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: He doesn't, you know, This was just the way he's

671
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: coached his entire career.

672
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: No, I think if Mahomes dropped out of the sky

673
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: and was a Steeler, they would.

674
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 4: Be going for two point conversions again, all that stuff exactly.

675
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: It'd be a whole different mentality. Yes, he is a

676
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: very good feel to your point, I mean to take

677
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: him step further. He says, a very good feel for

678
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: his personnel and his team and what his team is

679
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: and how you can win in this league. There's a

680
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: lot of different ways. How with this cards that I

681
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: was dealt, sometimes it looks like a bunch of six's

682
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: and two's and you know, maybe a jack and can

683
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: I piece this thing together to at least stay in

684
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: this game and take my chances at the end? Yeah,

685
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: and he usually does.

686
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: He usually does, And to me, that's that's what you want.

687
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: We're not talking about Sean Payton, not you know, having

688
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: losing seasons with with.

689
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: When he was in New Orleans.

690
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's that guy because again we

691
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: see we just see it now. He has to have

692
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: his guys in place because it's his system and his

693
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: you know to me. And I'm not saying he's not

694
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: a good coach, sure, sure, but the guys who who

695
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: think it's all about their system.

696
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: Usually it's tough.

697
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: It is because you got to it takes a lot

698
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: to rebuild that. Maybe maybe three years from now, Denver

699
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: will be good again.

700
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: They might be Yeah, Nicks might be a solid starter

701
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: and they might be yeah, but it takes a lot

702
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: of square pegs. Yeah, And there's only so many square

703
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: pegs you can get each year.

704
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: Right, It takes you. It takes you a lot to

705
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: build that roster.

706
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: In the NFL. A weird note on on like Peyton

707
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: and Breeze is every year that their defense wasn't bottom five,

708
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: they at least went to the playoffs. Yeah. I mean

709
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: the offense was awesome with an all time great quarterback

710
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: in a dome throwing the ball all over the place.

711
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they had a system in place that worked tremendously.

712
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it can with Dak or Josh Allen

713
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: or Ben or you know, I mean, any other really

714
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: good core but it was perfect synergy between coach and

715
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: quarterback and dome and division they were in, and the

716
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: defenses were bad sometimes.

717
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to bride. Just had to get that

718
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: off my Yes, it just drives me bonkers sometimes.

719
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: And we could make a negative row I mean on

720
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: Tomlin's positive and negatives. Oh, it's not all positive. I

721
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: mean one hundred percent. I mean, he's human, you know.

722
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: But I think the positives outweigh the negatives.

723
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: I think it's not even closed. Especially when you compare

724
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: him to the two hundred coaches that have been in

725
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: the league in the last couple decades or whatever it is,

726
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: you know, or all the coaches that have been in

727
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: the league while.

728
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Speaker 2: He's been there. He's in the top two percent. Yeah,

729
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, let's get to a break.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're

731
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Speaker 2: listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

734
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Goals Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: And we are back. I am Dale Lalli.

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Speaker 2: He is de Matt Williamson and Matt We finally got

738
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: some closure to the Brandon Iyuksaga. Yeah, yeah, as I

739
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: kind of expected all along. He did not end up

740
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: as a member of the Steelers. He resigns with the

741
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine Ers. It basically thirty million dollars

742
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: a year. Yeah, yeah, And I can't say I'm markedly

743
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: upset about that.

744
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like the ship sailed a while ago.

745
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: Like everyone I got caught up in it. And I

746
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: do think they had legit talks, and I don't know

747
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: what all we heard was true or not. I never

748
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: believed when some local folks were like, there's a deal

749
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: done done. Yeah, I just got to work across the

750
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: t's But it's not done, first of all. And he's

751
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: not on a flight here or anything like that. I've

752
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: been on the air, and I was very very interested

753
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: in the player, and I thought he would don a

754
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: lot to help around here. But I'm happy it's over too,

755
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, Like and if any outlet I work for

756
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: and you and I had this conversation five six months ago.

757
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, when he was quote on the block, it

758
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: made so much more sense for San Franz to resign him,

759
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: go try to win a super Bowl and probably trade

760
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: Debo after the season. Yeah, I mean that's the move

761
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: for them absolutely.

762
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: To me, it just came down to, you know, do

763
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: you want to give up the draft picks that you

764
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: would have to give up and then and then pay

765
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: the guy? Those are always tough kind of money the

766
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: player himself. Yeah, sure of course, yeah, yeah vacuum absolutely right.

767
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: But do you assign that or do you trade for

768
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: that guy, give up draft capital and then make him

769
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: the highest paid player on your team?

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Speaker 3: Right right? I do get that point of it where

771
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: that can be sticky, you know, where he comes in

772
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: here and he's making noticely more than your leader, Cam

773
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: Hayward or you know j Watt just right, who's better

774
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: at what he does than Ayuk. But that's just the

775
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: market you got to remember. I mean, like, whatever you

776
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: guys do for a living. If they went out and

777
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 3: hired somebody you're equal, maybe better, but someone you respect,

778
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: but paid them quadruple what you're making or times ten

779
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: what you're making, there might be some resentment there, you

780
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: know what I mean? If the Drive Too came out

781
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: with two guys that looked like us, smelled like us,

782
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: and we're a little better. But they paid them smell

783
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: like us. I could be pretty sticky in here. Yeah,

784
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: and they paid them put an extra zero on the

785
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: end of their check. I wouldn't be thrilled. Nobody was right, right,

786
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: nobody would that it really is.

787
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: And so what it's created now, from what I've seen,

788
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: is a lot of buyer's remorse on the Deontay Johnson

789
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: for Dante Jackson's Okay, here's the thing. Jalen Johnson re

790
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: signed with Chicago Bears at four years seventy six million dollars.

791
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: Lugerius Sneed.

792
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: Got a ridiculous amount of like twenty plus million dollars

793
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: a year too after he was traded from the Chiefs.

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00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: He had to give up a second, a second and

795
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: a fifth I think, or something like that. Yeah.

796
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: Kendall Fuller, Yeah.

797
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Got sixteen point five million over two years with the

798
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: sign with the Dolphins.

799
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Speaker 3: I think a woozy made a decent buck. Yeah, like

800
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 3: ten ish, you know, right.

801
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: I just look at it and like, Okay, you get

802
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Dante Jackson for back for a guy who didn't want

803
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: to be here anymore, who wasn't going to be in

804
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: your plans, who caught fifty passes last year, and.

805
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: We know he's a better player than that. I mean, like,

806
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: if he plays seventeen games, he's going to be a

807
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: consistent producer and I might draft him in fantasy tonight,

808
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, like, I think Deantay Johnson's a

809
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: good player. His lack of physicality I don't think would

810
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: work great in this offense either. And there were some

811
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: issues on the field effort wise and things I don't

812
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: think rubbed everybody you know, all that great around here.

813
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, many of the same people complaining that Dante are

814
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: that Deontay Johnson isn't here anymore. Are the same people

815
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: who are complaining about his lack of effort at times?

816
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever's convenient is what you complained about. Yeah,

817
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: you also picked up some draft capital. It was not

818
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: a one for one swat. You might not have McCormick

819
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: right now or something that you like from that draft

820
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: class that you forgot about that came back from the

821
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: Deontae deal, right, I mean, that's part of it. A

822
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: couple of things. I don't know this, This is just

823
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: my hunch. And we talked about at the time that

824
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: the Steelers then wanted to shop in the receiver aisle,

825
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: not the corner asle. I'm sure they would tell you that. Now,

826
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they misread the receiver aisle. But I

827
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: don't think they got any breaks either, you know, in

828
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: terms of escalation things like that, Like I bet that

829
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: if we would have given truth serum to the front office.

830
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: Do you think you'd be better off at wide receiver

831
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: at the end of August when they went to the

832
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: day they made that trade. Yeah, we're talking to the Raiders,

833
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: talking to the Niners. We got stuff going on. Something

834
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: will work out, and it didn't, you know, other than

835
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: drafting room Wilson, which probably would not either way, you

836
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So that being said, you brought

837
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: this up the other day, do you I mean, if

838
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: you hadn't made that trade, maybe your first round pick, well,

839
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have Futanu, you know, if you would have

840
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: gone down this.

841
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: Road, you probably don't have Fano and maybe you don't

842
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: have Zach Frazier one of the two.

843
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: I mean, draft looks different for sure.

844
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: One of those two guys is not a Steeler right now.

845
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: Right and you might have Chooks still or some other

846
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: tackle it wouldn't like you had Dylan Cook, wouldn't be

847
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: your tackle necessarily, you'd have something else. You'd use that

848
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: money elsewhere. But was going with this is you mentioned

849
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: how young the corner room is, you know, and maybe

850
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: you love Mitchell Wata Toledo and I bet they did.

851
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 3: But you know how young you'd be if that would

852
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: have been your answer.

853
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: If you have a bunch of second, third, first and

854
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: second year guys at cornerbacks, yeah.

855
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: You need someone's been around the block in every one

856
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 3: of those rooms.

857
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: So realistically, I mean, were they you know when you

858
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: look at the draft when they took Flatanu was still

859
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: on the board.

860
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got your pick of corners.

861
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: So let's say they take Mitchell instead.

862
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: So they probably wouldn't it.

863
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, now you're not getting Polatano right right, right right?

864
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: Or you know if they had taken Terry and Arnold instead,

865
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: now you're not getting Flatona.

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00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: Just say your your favorite flavor of corner Yeah, because

867
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: you could have picked anyone you wanted.

868
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: Let's say you had to have Folatana.

869
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: You loved him, so you take him.

870
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: You say, we're gonna take a cornerback in the second round.

871
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, maybe he's too good to pass up. Maybe

872
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: they didn't sign a tackle at that point yet or

873
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: anything like that.

874
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cornerbacks drafted after Zach Fraser was taking at

875
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: fifty one.

876
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: Well, Mike Santistro went right before their pick.

877
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: I'd love to have him, but he's not had a

878
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: replacement for no doing the outside guys. Uh.

879
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: The next cornerback taken was Enis Rakestraw by Detroit at

880
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 4: sixty one.

881
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not a bad player, not a bad player,

882
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: but I think you're still young at corner.

883
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: You're still young at corner, and you don't have a center.

884
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: You don't know something. Yeah, you're gonna be missing you

885
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: have a receiver, you know, maybe your center now is

886
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: McCormick in the third round instead of the fourth, you

887
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Yeah, So you know you have

888
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: to think about these things when you have the aunte

889
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: and they'll be fine, you know, right, I mean, there

890
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: is something to be gained by it, but right right,

891
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's the best, if it was

892
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: the best trade they've ever made or the worst trade

893
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 3: they ever made. But I understand it. People, I wouldn't

894
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: want to be looking for corners.

895
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: Right Now people loved this draft. Yeah, not just in Pittsburgh,

896
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: around the league and everybody.

897
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: Right, it completely.

898
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 4: Changes how you would have handled the draft.

899
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: It's been way different, and I bet worse. Yeah, you're

900
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: definitely would have worst draft capital. Yeah, I forget what

901
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 3: picks they swapped in the deal exactly, but they gained

902
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: draft capital which allowed you to do things in the

903
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: mid rounds. He coming back to McCormick. I always felt

904
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: like McCormick was the bonus prized. You'd already drafted two lines.

905
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: Did you really need a third?

906
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 4: But that's beautia, But you might, as it turned out,

907
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: you just might.

908
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: You might need him this year. Yeah, you might be

909
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: started next year. I'm glad, very glad he's here, That's

910
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And he was a guy that we

911
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: were you know, I was extremely high on coming into

912
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: the draft, So I couldn't believe the ended up in

913
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh after they used the first two picksl No.

914
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: And he might have been had you not, had you

915
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: passed on Fraser, he might have been your starting center.

916
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it might be him and

917
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Mason Cole right now fighting for the center job. Right,

918
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: I mean, that's where you could be. So, you know,

919
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: I think maybe it isn't even this year, but you

920
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: can always get receivers. You can't always get corners and tackle.

921
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing that says that they still can't trade for

922
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: a wide receiver at some point.

923
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: Right, And I could promise you they'll be one in

924
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: the second round next year, You'll like, yeah, I mean

925
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: that's no matter what year it is. You know absolutely

926
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: that doesn't help you the second but you can always

927
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: get receivers. Yeah.

928
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: So I just you know, I don't know that they're done.

929
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Oh I don't think they are, ok.

930
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: Right, right, something's going to you know, a month end

931
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: of the season, somebody could be owing three or oh

932
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: and four and him say, you know what, let's let's

933
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: move on.

934
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: If the Raiders are row and three, I'm moving Adams

935
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: if i'm them. Yeah, maybe not to Pittsburgh. I don't care.

936
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm just saying if I'm owing three, if the season

937
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: starts awful for them, I think I'm getting out from that. Yeah.

938
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: So there's those things that could happen there at that

939
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: position that even though it's not ideal right now, yeah,

940
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: or maybe not what people think that they have to

941
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: be at wide receiver doesn't mean that's what's going to

942
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 2: be eleven weeks from now.

943
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: So I'm sure you have been to I mean, we

944
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: talk so much amongst ourselves. Sometimes it's different when people

945
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: ask questions to us, you know, on their shows. Can

946
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: the Steelers get where they want to be with this

947
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: wide receiver room? Is an off similar phrase question I

948
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: get asked and my response lately is I think they

949
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: can beat Atlanta with this group. I think they can

950
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: be very competitive in the best division in the league

951
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: with this group, I think they could be a playoff

952
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 3: We just picked them to be a playoff team. Yeah,

953
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: with this group, I don't think they can. If where

954
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: they want to be is the best team in the league,

955
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: then I don't think they answered yes.

956
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: But I don't know that there's any receiver.

957
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: Don't getting a brand in Ayuk would not have made

958
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: been the best team in the league either.

959
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 3: No, but I could write a story where they're deep

960
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Yeah, you know, but then next year

961
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: in the draft day you're sitting on going won't do

962
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: have any picks, you know what I mean? Like everyone,

963
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 3: no one's gonna love next year's draft, then, right, Yeah,

964
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: you know, have a first rounder maybe and then not

965
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: pick again the round five or something, or don't have

966
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: a first rounder. Then you know there's a price here. Yeah,

967
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: so you know.

968
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 4: You have to balance these things out. I'm just looking.

969
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not even suggesting they will, but if

970
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: they want to, they can sign T Higgins in the

971
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: free agent market for nothing, I mean, without any cost.

972
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: Just some of the guys who moved last year in

973
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: the at the NFL trade deadline.

974
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Douglas, yeah, he was useful.

975
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: Donovan People's Jones went from Cleveland to Detroit, not to

976
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: I mean these are Chase Young got traded.

977
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, as a contender, you know, right, uh and

978
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: too much of the Niners. But he's tearing it up

979
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: for the Saints apparently.

980
00:44:54,120 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: The Vikings added Josh Dobbs, Montes Sweat got traded yeah as.

981
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: A okay, yeah, Washington's a great example, like they're not

982
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: gonna move on from both their dns. Yeah, both gone

983
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: out of here.

984
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: Eleonoral Williams got traded. Nobody saw that coming. Oh yeah, okay,

985
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Kevin Kevin Bayern got traded well, Nicole Hartman, but yeah, yeah, right.

986
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: Van Jefferson got traded that last year's trade deadline.

987
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you did.

988
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 4: Chase Claypool got traded that last year's day.

989
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was nice.

990
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: Randy Gregory, j C. Jackson, Cam Akers.

991
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: So guys, the thing is, you could even do the

992
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: last five years and yeah find names you know right.

993
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: There is That didn't used to be the case in

994
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: the NFL.

995
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't even a big story the trade deadline.

996
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: Maybe there'd be one or two trades. Maybe Now that's

997
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: not the case anymore. Yeah, No, they don't be an

998
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: active day or two.

999
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, trades happened. The Acres trade happened September twentieth.

1000
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: Really. J C. Jackson was traded October fifth. I bet

1001
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: there's even some early September ones.

1002
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Gregory got traded on October sixth, Claypool was

1003
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: October sixth. Van Jefferson was October tenth.

1004
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: So these are week four, week five, yehthing like that.

1005
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: Kevin Byer got traded October twenty third, again before the

1006
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: deadline was even you know, that's weeks out from the deadline.

1007
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 4: So it does happen.

1008
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: There's will be trades between now and opening day in

1009
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: the league.

1010
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there'll be stuff, the stuff that happens, yeah, oh there,

1011
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: so not really concerned about it.

1012
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: And again, are they good enough to beat Atlanta right now?

1013
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah right. I mean that's that's the next

1014
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: goal for this football team is go to Atlanta and

1015
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: come away with a win. And I think they can

1016
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: do it with the guys they have.

1017
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly.

1018
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: That's going to do it for our number one of

1019
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. I'll be

1020
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: back with our number two right after this