WEBVTT - Aquaman with Ali Nahdee 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.399 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.119 start changing it with the bel Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin, 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.120 you don't tell me how to captain. I don't tell 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.360 you how to pirate or something? Oh okay, oh like 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.200 the beginning of the movie. Yeah, like like that one 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.600 character said, Oh, I wanted to do the thing where 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.640 Patrick Wilson says, like you will call me ocean master? 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.519 Like that would have been better that just I think 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.479 is imprinted on my mind for you know. Welcome to 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.600 the Bechtel Cast. They're not all hits right at the top. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.840 Sometimes you gotta just get into it and it takes 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.279 a little time. I'm going to find our groove. But welcome. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.880 My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Durante, 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.240 and this is our show in which we examine movies 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.400 through an inter sectional feminist lens, using the Bechtel test 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.080 just very much as a jumping off point. But what 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.480 is it, Jamie, Oh, the Bechtel test or the movie. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.800 I'll say both. I'll do both. We're doing. We're doing 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:18.200 Aquaman today, movie from James one one of my faves. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.399 I love watching interviews with James Wan. And this isn't 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.480 passing the Bechtel test. And here's why. The Bechtels test 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.959 is a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.360 sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. There's many different versions 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.760 of it. Here's the one we use. We require that 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:39.679 two characters of a marginalized gender with names speak to 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.840 each other about something other than a man for two 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.280 lines of dialogue. There are so many three hour movies 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.400 that don't pass this simple metric, and this movie was 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.520 almost one of them. But we'll get there later. But 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.240 recovering Aquaman and uh, i'm I'm I'm very excited to 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.400 discuss this movie particular, really because we're bringing back one 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.720 of the greats we sure are. Our guest is Bi 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.560 racial Anisha Nabe, founder of the A La Test. You 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:14.600 remember her from our episode on Frozen two. It's Ali Nady. Hi, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.360 Hello and welcome back. Thank you for invited me back. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.400 I was so happy when I got your email and 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:26.240 I was just like, yes, pumped about this, Oh my gosh. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.320 And you have brought us Aquaman. Tell us about your 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:35.960 relationship with this movie. Okay, So going a little bit 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.600 earlier than that, when you reached out to me, I 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.560 was like really struggling with a movie to talk about. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.799 You know, I'm like, oh, man, because you know, Native people, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.880 you know, we're not a monolith. You know, we come 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.320 from different cultures, different you know, parts of the country, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.239 different parts of the continent. So I'm like, okay, so 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.480 there's a bunch of movies I wanted to talk about, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.640 but I don't belong to those specific groups. Maybe someone 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.440 from those groups should be the one talking about it. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.160 And then I wanted to talk about Avatar, but I'm like, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:15.400 you know, maybe not for Thanksgiving, you know, maybe not 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.680 for Thanksgiving, but um yeah. So I really struggled, and 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.559 I was really thinking about it. And then finally Aquaman. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.280 You know, I realized that even if it's not specifically 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.639 Polynesian or Hawaiian, you know, he is American, he is indigenous, 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:37.640 and he's biracial, and so am I. And um that 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.560 was the last film that I ever saw in a 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.880 theater with my mom. So yeah, so there's gonna be 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.360 a lot of moments I apologize in advance. I'm gonna 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.840 cry probably a couple of times. And uh yeah, like 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.960 this movie, ever since it came out, ever since I 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.720 saw it with Mom, really spoke to me as someone 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.640 who is biracial, as someone whose mother is white and 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:07.640 whose father is Indigenous, and it really I felt represented 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.800 in a way even if I wasn't Polynesian in Hawaiian. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.160 You know it really, it really did tug at my 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.200 heart strings. And I felt kind of silly like saying 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.919 that just because it is a goofy superhero movie that 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.440 may or may not be that good. But I had 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.080 a fun time. Oh, I had a last But I 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.720 mean everyone deserves to be represented and seen in the 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.360 whole spectrum of movies, whether they're goofy superhero movies that 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:42.039 perhaps have plots that are messy. I mean, thank you 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.240 for sharing that, Ali, I mean with that context in particular, 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.880 like of course this is a special movie to you, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.320 and like it's I don't know, I was I had 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.680 not seen this movie. I think I just generally I 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.839 usually wait on superhero movies because I guess I don't 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.560 I guess just not seeing them in theaters because I 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.960 feel like everyone knows something that I don't and I'm like, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.640 I can't hang and they're gonna be mad at me. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:10.080 But I really I thought this was it was perhaps 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:14.279 a bit long, but I I love James Wand's work, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.040 and I was very like, kind of surprised and impressed, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.159 having very very little understanding of Aquaman other than knowing 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.840 him as like the goofy superhero because he is a 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.120 fish um. But but outside of that, I didn't know anything. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.560 And I thought that the way that the themes that 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.600 were kind of chosen for this this Aquaman story where 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.600 was really cool and most of them worked really effectively, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:44.039 and for me, canonically, Patrick Wilson and Nicole Kidman wore 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.400 the same wig for the whole movie, and that was 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.200 awesome too. So yeah, I'm a I I think I'm 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.000 a fan of this movie. Yeah, I think I am. Caitlin. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.440 Oh gosh, well, I saw it not in theaters, but 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.159 I did see it on a plane. I could plane 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.680 movie like nine months a year after it had come out, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.000 because enough by then enough people had seen it and 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.920 I had heard I had heard the reviews, which were, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.720 I feel like, pretty mixed and still are as far 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.240 as like, and I was Admittedly, when I first saw it, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.160 I was like, you know, the means on sand is 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:26.599 is busy James won the j one. Yeah, when I 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.800 first saw the action scene, I was like, oh, that's interesting. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:37.480 I was having a lot of sensory overload throughout the um. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.640 But then when we reached out to you, Ali, so 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.120 this is our quote unquote Thanksgiving episode in the sense 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.200 that we are releasing it on the day that a 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.560 lot of Americans observed Thanksgiving. But we wanted to showcase 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.560 an indigenous movie or you know, a movie by indigenous filmmakers, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.200 or a movie that has some Indigenous ties to it. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.640 And then we reached out to U Eli. And then 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.719 when you came back to us with Aquaman, and I 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.880 was like, oh, right, it didn't really occur to me 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.400 that this would be like considered an indigenous movie. And 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.480 then you spoke a little bit about it, and I 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.480 was like, oh, yes, of course, and I knew that 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.640 you would like bring this really great perspective that would 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.240 give me a better appreciation for the movie, which like 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.760 it already has. And I know that are like conversation 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.440 Will and like, yeah, I still think about the Fresen 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.200 two episode all the time. Because I feel like that 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.200 might be like possibly the most that I've been like 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.320 mind blown and swede on a movie that I was 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.200 not at all expecting to see very much in in 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.760 the course of an episode, Like I don't know, I 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.880 think about it often. I'm really touched. I'm really glad 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:51.520 that you guys like that and that my insight so much. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.320 of course. Yeah. And um, even going with Aquaman, like again, 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.600 I had like a lot of turmoil because I'm not 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.720 you know, Hawaiian and I'm not Maudy like um Tamira 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.239 Morrison is the actor who plays his dad. He's Maudi, 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.360 which is indigenous to New Zealand. And Um, it's a 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:15.200 very important distinction that Native Hawaiians, while they are indigenous, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.200 they are not Native American. That is a big one, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.080 you know, like a lot of people try to lump 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.280 them all in because we're indigenous and it's it's not 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.960 their Polynesian. They are very adamant that, you know, they 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.160 are not American, you know, but still you know, like 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.520 it's still indigenous. And I felt more comfortable talking about 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.800 this movie just because it isn't like Lelo and Stitch 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.760 or Once We're Warriors where it is very distinctly a 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:51.520 Hawaiian film, a Hawaiian culture, or a Maudi film and 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.920 Maudi culture, you know, it takes place a main so 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.679 and um, you know, like even though Aquaman's design in 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.920 the movie movie is very distinctly you know, Polynesian, you know, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.640 with the tattoos and he speaks um. I think he 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.760 says a couple of lines of dialogue that are in Maudi. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.800 That's what I was seeing just in the in the 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:17.120 captions of the movie. But he um. Those actors could 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.400 have been played by anybody, really, I mean, they could 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.800 have been black, they could have been any race. And 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.240 the fact that it is indigenous, like brought this entire 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.760 perspective that really connected. Even if I'm not from those islands. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.120 So you know, I feel like I'm kind of in 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.599 a safe gray area, you know, I don't want to 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.040 feel like I'm talking over anybody. But it did speak 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.680 to me. And when I did a lot of research 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.560 for the movie, I saw that it spoke to a 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:50.000 lot of biracial people just across the board. So right, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.560 and I mean you bring up an interesting point where 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.480 some of the characters are indigenous, Aquaman is biracial, and 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.200 that's acknowledged in the movie, but it's it doesn't become 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.440 this thing where like so much of his identity is like, oh, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.360 I'm so torn and look at me being the victim 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.839 of racism all the time and stuff like that. It's 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.320 more about like his identity is just normalized within the 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.280 context of the world he's living in, which and like 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.160 you said, he could have been played by any actor 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.960 of any color in a way that again just like 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:30.280 normalizes his existence in the world, which is like what 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.839 we're trying to move toward when it comes to representation. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.080 So that was something I really appreciated about it. Yeah, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.960 and I mean I just I love Jason Momoa, and like, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.280 you can't not love Jason Momoa as of this recording. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.080 I feel like we always have to be like yeah 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.480 as at this time, No, but um, he's great and 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.040 I feel like I really and we'll get into this too, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.560 but uh, going off of what you were just saying, Caitlin, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:11:03.400 I really was touched by how like thoughtful Aquaman was 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.440 as a character and how he was like I mean 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.680 not you know whatever. Every superhero has to be emotionally 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.840 stunted if they're a man without fail like that's just 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.360 the law. But I thought, I felt I feel like, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.920 you know, I'm trying to think of a specific example, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:23.560 but I feel like there's a lot of superhero movies 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.000 where the like male hero like doesn't have feelings or 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.800 like I don't emote, blah blah blah. And Aquaman is 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.320 like struggling with his you know, finding his place in 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.440 the world and trying to figure out where he fits. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:41.480 But he like talks about it with people and like 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.320 talks about like even when he there's that scene, um 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.439 when they're on the boat, Um, Aquaman and Mara are 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.400 on the boat and he is talking about how he 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.360 killed or was the what is the pirate character's name, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.680 David David. I think it's his name. I was like, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.560 what's his name because I thought it was like a 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:09.040 superhero name, and I'm like, David David slash Manta. Yeah, yeah. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.240 But he's talking about how he feels like guilty for 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.400 killing Manta's father, and I was like, I feel like 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.880 you don't get those moments from superheroes very often. And 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.240 then they have a discussion about his role in the 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.600 world and where he wants to be. There was actually 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.200 there was a lot of like scenes between Mira and 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.800 Aquaman that we're reminding me of like Simba and Nala 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.520 in the second act of The Lion King where she 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.720 like shows up and she's like, you have to be king, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.679 and he's like, that's that's not my life anymore. And 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.840 then eventually obviously that is a great point, Damie, thank 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.000 you so much. Women be telling men they have to 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.160 be the gang. It's just mean, it's a trope at 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.640 this point. Um, I'm so excited to get more into 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.160 the discussion. Let's be kept the movie and then we'll 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:07.960 get into it. Okay. So we open on Aquaman's mom 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:13.960 and dad meeting in. His mom is Atlanta played by 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.320 Nicole Kidman. She is the Queen of Atlantis who fled 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.880 to land to escape and arranged marriage. His dad is 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.120 a human man named Tom played by Tamura Morrison, who 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.000 is a lighthouse keeper. He's a lighthousekeeper. That is high. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.840 That's really hot, that he's a lighthouse keeper. He is 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.760 really hot period and anything true. He's really underlated to 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.960 be a lighthouse keeper. He's hot, but it doesn't hurt. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.839 He's also been the voice of Boba Fette for like 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.160 nearly twenty years, I want to say, yeah, it was 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.080 Django Fett and Clone Wars and that our Clone Wars 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.880 attack the Clones. And then he's Mr Fette in some 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.800 capacity and has been for a while. He's back in 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.959 the Mandalorian and he's doing the book about the only 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.520 time I have never liked him was in Once Her 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:08.400 Warriors because he's like violently abusive in that movie, and 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.600 it's like, ah, it's hard, like get a Maudie guest 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.280 on the show to talk about it because it's good, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.400 but it is like I almost hated him. Thank god 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.800 he made this movie because I love him again. But yeah, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.680 this one he's at he's being a good dad in 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:29.160 a lighthouse and I love that. So Atlanta and Tom 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.760 fall in love and they have a baby named Arthur. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.640 And then when Arthur is a small child, or vas 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.080 the king of Atlantis or one of the kings, because 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.320 you find out there several kings who Atlanta was arranged 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.680 to be married to, he sends soldiers to capture Atlanta 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.600 and bring her back, and she realizes that she has 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:54.080 to return to Atlantis. I kept writing down Atlanta in 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.360 my notes, so if I accidentally say Atlanta to refer 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.400 to either Atlantis or Atlanta. With my accent, I'm going 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.440 to call him Accaman at least twenty million times, so 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.920 apologies to everyone. Yeah, I'm gonna say the wrong names 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.200 all the time. So she kind of surrenders and returns 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.840 to Atlantis in order to keep Tom and Arthur safe. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.160 I'm I'm such a fool. I was like, Wow, I 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.320 can't believe the call given did this movie for two minutes? 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.880 That's so interesting? But then I was like oh, and 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.600 then later I was like, oh, right, right, she wouldn't 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.000 do that. That wouldn't make sense. She does say that 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:36.280 one day she will return, which is foreshadowing that's a plant. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.840 Can I just talk about like that whole introduction to 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.480 the movie, because you know, Okay, I'm gonna try to 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.760 keep it together. So my um my mom and I 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.840 when we went and saw this movie, I had just 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.600 moved home from Finland. I was going through divorce, and 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:57.720 she had pay creatic cancer and was just about to 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:04.040 go into receiving treatment for that. So, uh so watching 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:09.600 this movie with her like right next to me, mhm, 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.560 she um you know, it was kind of foreshadowing things 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.320 that not only that I was going to have to 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:25.000 deal with I'm I'm sorry, no, no, no, please take 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:31.400 your time. But you know, also but also things that 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:37.000 my dad was going to be dealing with, because because 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.320 you want to be hopeful, and you want to be 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.520 hopeful what you know, you know that that's not how 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.840 it's going to be, you know, in the end, and um, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.400 her absence and the movie, you know, like it touches 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.840 the characters so much. You know, like when he goes 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.200 down to the dock every morning morning, yeah, you know, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.080 because she says that, you know, we'll be together again 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.879 and she'll see again and she'll yeah, she'll she's like, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.800 I'll meet you here one day. And then of course Arthur, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.119 you know, like not having his mother and his life 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.119 is damaging, you know, like it's it's painful, and especially 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.520 like with this extra layer with racism and separation from 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.680 your culture and not really belonging to that culture, you know, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.439 especially not fully belonging to a culture of someone that 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:34.280 you love on top of that, you know, it's, uh yeah, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.359 it gets to you, you know when you're watching this 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.320 as this biracial kid, um kid, you know, I was 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.640 like thirty, but you know, but you know, watching it 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.199 and uh yeah, just kind of sitting there in the 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.600 theater with mom and watching this and kind of know 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.000 whing you know, in the back of your head, what's 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.840 going to happen? And uh, the whole introch of the 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.639 movie first ten minutes of Aquaman. I'm a bad like this, um, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.719 but thankfully, thankfully the movie is a lot more fun 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.679 than uh than this. The tone, the tone shifts a 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.280 bit from that point onward, but it is, I mean, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.280 it is like it's really beautifully done, like that that 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.680 scene of them, oh for sure, because they do. They 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.200 look just like my parents. I mean, it totally looks 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.880 like my parents. So that wasn't lost on me. And yeah, 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.680 and I love I love that Aquaman loves his dad, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:42.480 you know, especially especially you know, like as someone taking 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.720 care of my dad, you know, as someone taking care 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.560 of your dad, you know, by yourself. Like no, I'm 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.360 not really by myself, like my sister's helped too, but 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.160 you know, I I live with him, and I take 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.000 care of them and make sure that you know, the 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.800 house is taken care of and that he's taking as 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.640 me to send and stuff, you know, and seeing Aquaman's 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.760 relationship with his father, as you know, you're his son, 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.720 but you're also his best friend and you're also his protector. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.119 You know. It's uh yeah, yeah, I do want to 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.640 talk about their relationship more because I feel like that's 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.560 one of the big strengths of the movie. It's I 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.440 mean then just like how it's so funny because it's 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.440 like I feel like that like is a testament to 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.760 the actors, Like you don't actually spend a lot of 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.280 time with Aquaman and his dad, but when you do, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.199 it's you just like feel it. And his dad is 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.919 so like awesome, yeah good and supportive, and you know, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.639 Aquaman is like, I'm not Aquaman and his dad's like, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:51.360 oh good, it's awesome. Like and again that that feels 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.960 like an outlier in a superhero movie where it like 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.920 someone who's like very I mean, even though Arthur can't 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.280 me with his mom for the majority of his life, 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:07.600 she's he's still very connected to her and thinks well 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.080 of her. I don't know, it's just I was like, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.920 the superhero loves his parents so much and it's so nice. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:20.200 And then there's Patrick Wilson. Oh man, this guy, this asshole, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.119 the character, not the actor, the actor. Yeah, he's about 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.320 to show up before we see him, though we briefly 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.639 see Arthur a few years later on a school trip 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.560 to the aquarium with the two worst bullies ever in 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:40.480 any movie ever, Brutle. That was so much to me, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.080 like the scene from the first Harry Potter movie where 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.120 like he's talking to the snake through the glass, except 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.040 Arthur's talking to some sharks or something, and then there's 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.359 like two Dudley's behind him trying to bully him, and 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.760 they're like so much older than he is, which is 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.480 he looks like he's about like four and they're like 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.639 they're like two ft taller than him. I'm just like 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.040 James Wands fanning out here, but I feel like things 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.160 that happen in James wand movies just happened like weirdly 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.280 at an eleven sometimes for no reason at all, And 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.679 I feel like that bullying moment, I'm like, why is 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.879 this so intense and why are the bullies so old? 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.320 And like what is happening? Um? But then it or 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.400 like the moment where it's like whatever, Mira and Aquamand 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.879 almost kissed and then there's an explosion like next to 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:32.000 their heads and you're like, Mr Wand that was not necessary, 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.080 But I'm glad you did it. There's like twenty explosions 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.280 in this movie that happened out of nowhere, and I'm like, 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.959 why again, it's quite jarring. He's just like, we have 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.000 the budget, let's do it. The important thing we learned 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.960 from the scene is that Aquaman is able to communicate 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.000 with marine life. Then we cut to him as an adult. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:59.000 He's now Jason Momoa. He's already a badass superhero. We 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:03.120 see this sequence where he stops this pirate attack against 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:08.159 a Russian submarine, and the main pirate is David a 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.120 k a. Black Manta, who is not quite Black Manta yet, 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.159 but he's like kind of having his origin story in 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:18.960 the background, fully having his origin story. There's a Shakespearean monologue, 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:24.720 there's a dramatic explosion death like yes, yes, yes, yeah. 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.480 He's played by yah Yah abdul Mateen. The second so 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:33.400 Manta now has a vendetta against Aquaman because Manta's dad 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:38.439 dies during this attack and Manta blames Aquaman. I felt 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.840 so bad for him, like I legit. I mean, like 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.680 even watching it, I'm like, oh man, that was mean 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.840 as hell. Yeah, because he's like asked the sea for mercy. 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.000 But then yeah, Aquaman does feel like guilty about it later, 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:54.760 so I'm glad he does, because I felt bad that 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.720 was brutal. Like I know that they're bad guys, and 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:00.639 I know that they like killed in us at people 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.080 and they're stealing ship and I'm like, man, the dude 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.520 is begging you to save his dad. Oh my god, 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.160 I don't know if I could say no, I take 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.920 him to jail, which I mean, honestly makes for an 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:17.080 interesting superhero because a lot of superheroes are so morally 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.120 pure and good that it kind of gets boring. Boring. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.840 So for Aquaman to be like, no, dude, see uh 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.360 later and then and then for him to like experience 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.680 like which is a pretty human thing to do. He's 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.560 like acting in sort of the you know, the emotion 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.800 of the moment, and then later he has like a 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.800 conflicting emotion about it, and yeah, that's just all very 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.680 human stuff. My feeling of that, Yeah, that sequence I thought, 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.600 especially like thinking about it when it comes up again 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:46.199 later in the movie, because I wasn't sure if it 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:48.639 was like when that was going to come back. It 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:50.600 was like, I feel like he was doing kind of 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.560 like almost like a the way that Arnold Schwarzenegger would 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:57.680 handle an action scene where it's like quip, shoot, murder kill, 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.800 but then we as the audience have to stay in 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.600 that scene and like, watch how it affects the people 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.119 who like the cool superhero leaves behind. And oh that 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:11.040 that scene of like David climbing like the ladder shot, 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.640 I was like, Oh, it's so like, it's so sad. 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.120 And I was like, I think that that probably happens 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.840 in action movies and superhero movies all the time, but 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.840 the movie doesn't be like, and we're gonna stay here too, 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.480 just so you can see how upset these pirates are. 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.000 Like that was good though, because I feel like that 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.720 legit like solidified him as a good villain with a 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:40.040 good reason to hate. He's strongly motivated. Yeah, oh my god. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.680 Yeah that scene at the mid credit scene at the 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:44.560 end with him in Randall Park, I was like, all right, 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.560 I'm I guess I'm excited for the next one. Let's go. Yeah. 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.000 I feel like really bad for him though. Um. On 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:56.879 another note, just because this movie it's so long, but 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.920 it's it's so long, but it has so much stuf 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.280 in it, so there's so much lower there's so many flashbacks, 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.479 so much history, so much legend, and all of it 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:10.720 is awesome, but it's like they only really have time 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.760 for one bad guy, and this movie has too, so 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.080 he kind of halfway through gets kicked out, you know, like, 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.600 oh the way, Black Manta, I'm doing other cool things. 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.480 It's like they should have just saved him for the 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.119 second movie or this one, and then did something with 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.880 the worm later. But I don't know. It's like I 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.480 feel like he deserved a lot better. Every time he's 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.119 in there, he's great, but it's like you deserved a 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.200 little bit more. Give him more space, for sure. Yeah, 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.600 I felt the same way. I hope that he's the 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.800 like main I mean, I'm hoping that that mid credit 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.879 scene sets him up as like the character in the 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.960 second movie. I hope. I hope so too. Yeah, um, 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.080 let's take a quick break right here and then we 0:25:53.119 --> 0:26:03.040 will come right back and we're back. So meanwhile, underwater 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:09.480 in Atlantis, there are several different kingdoms. King Orm that's 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:14.240 Patrick Wilson, is the king of one of them. He 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:19.720 is Aquaman's half brother. Because Queen Atlanta is their mother, 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:26.280 they obviously have different fathers. His right hand man is Volco. Okay, 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.200 Willem Dafoe, which he keeps calling him his vizier, which 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:34.119 I've only heard that word applied to jaffar. Same, So 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.399 I was like, oh, okay, so William Dafoe is the 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.320 Jaffar of this palace, except a good guy and not 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:46.359 a villain. He's nice Jaffar. Also, it didn't occur to 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.360 me to like halfway through the movie that Willem Dafoe 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.359 is I feel like one of the few people who's 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.320 in the m c U and the d C you 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.720 as like super different characters. He's a villain in the 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:01.520 m c U. It's also weird to see William Dafoe 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:05.280 not as a villain. Yeah, so that's quite something. Yeah. 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.639 I think the only time he played like a hero 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:12.480 or otherwise protagonist was in Platoon. Oh sure, and let's 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.680 not forget the Last Temptation of Christ or whatever the 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:22.760 Jesus later really Jesus famously a hero. Yeah there, And 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.080 this is another I mean, I guess William Dafoe doesn't 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.359 get near the lighthouse in this movie, but it's another 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.600 movie with the lighthouse that he's in. Wow. Wow, good point, Jamie, 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.000 thank you, thank you. That's why they paid me the 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:41.360 big blocks. Um. So, King Orm is trying to unite 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.680 at least four of the seven kingdoms so that he 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:51.640 can become Ocean Master and legally declare war against the 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.399 surface dwellers at which he wants to do because he 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:59.200 thinks humans are going to be the demise of Atlantis 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.240 and everyone living in Wonder, which we are because we 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.440 are destroying our oceans. Um, I don't even think that's preachy, 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.760 Like you know how in like fern Gully and stuff 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.439 like that, Like the environmentalist issue kind of feels a 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.359 little too on the nose. It's like, I mean that's 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.119 kind of valid. Man, We are destroying the ocean, and 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.879 the ocean is massive and vast, and we're sucking it 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.680 all up. So yeah, that's another reason I'm really psyched 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.359 on the Randall Park character because it seems like he's 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.760 gonna like he's like an environmentalist, Like he's going to 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.680 bring all of that into the next movie as well. Yeah. 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.720 I mean, like Patrick Wilson obviously, big old evil villain 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.120 like spouting some of the nastiest rhetoric you could imagine 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.880 in this movie. But humans are destroying the ocean. I mean, 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.160 but then Nicole Kidman kind of shows up the end 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.200 and she's like, no, they're not. It's like, that's we 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:55.320 are who we are. I do like when a villain 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.000 is motivated in such a way that is compelling or 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.560 that like the odd it's gonna understand where they're coming from, 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.360 even if we don't agree with like the execution of 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.160 their plan or whatever it is, but like would be 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.920 deeply fun character. But yeah, we're like, yeah, you're not wrong. 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:15.840 Humans are destroying all of the environment. Okay, we're back 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:20.440 on land. This Atlantean woman, Mara played by Amber Heard, 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.240 she comes to the surface to relay all of this 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:28.960 information to Aquaman and she's like, we need your help. 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.680 We need to stop Orm again. Nala basically being like, 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.200 you gotta come and be our king because he is 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.680 the rightful heir to the throne because he's the firstborn 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.400 son of Atlanta. And that's the moment you realize, Oh, 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.720 Jason Momoa, even though he's like six years younger than 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:50.040 Patrick Wilson, is supposed to be older than Orm's character. 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.080 He's taller and that equals older. And then also Nicole 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.400 Kiman is supposed to be playing Patrick Wilson's mother, she's 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.760 like seven years older because don't think too hard about it, 0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.240 and she's only twelve years older than Jason Momoa. And yeah, 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.760 I'm like, okay, you did not cast an age appropriate 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.560 actor to play their mother. Well, I don't know what 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.040 kind of like packed that Patrick Wilson and James Wan have, 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.240 but Patrick Wilson has to be in all of his 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:19.160 movies or except for Malignant, But Patrick Wilson isn't in 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.960 like literally all of James Want's movies. So that's I 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:27.040 think why he's here. Something interesting that, you know, upon 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:32.160 watching Aquaman uh several times was um or you know, like, 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.200 I don't know if he's a good villain, but the 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:39.880 interesting thing about him is that there's room for like 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:45.760 complexity because you know, he benefits from a society and 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:51.280 a system that gives him power, of course, and it's 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:57.200 interesting that he doesn't hate his dad for killing his mother. 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.520 You know, there's never a moment where it's like Atlantis 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.520 was sucking wrong for what they did to my mom. 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.360 This is bullshit because it's easier to blame it on Aquaman, 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.760 like if it wasn't for you, and it wasn't for 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.520 your dad, my mom would still be alive, and this 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:17.480 is your fault, which goes into like the racial implications too, 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:22.440 because he's totally an ocean colonizer, like an ocean supremacist, 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.920 like he is started by the end of the movie, 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.520 he's like spouting pure blood like he's He's like, they 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:34.680 go all the way with that characters. Yeah politics, Yeah, 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.320 I noticed that as well, and like contrasting that with 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:43.840 how Aquaman feels of like I sort of assumed just 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:48.000 based on having seen superhero movies. I was like, Okay, 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.720 Aquaman is going to blame himself for what happened to 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.200 his mother, and then that's the journey of like it 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.080 wasn't all my fault, but it's like it's more detailed 0:31:56.080 --> 0:32:00.200 than that. And I really liked that scene with Aquaman, mean, 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.920 with will of Dafoe and he's saying like the opposite 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.920 of what Orma is saying. He's like he's furious at 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.320 the system that allowed that to happen to his mother, 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.800 and I just feel like, yeah, it speaks to like 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.080 how different their environments were and how different their upbringings were, 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.520 where like Patrick Wilson was raised by a fascist and 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.800 you know, Aquaman was raised by a very kind lighthouse keeper, 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.520 and it makes a difference. Patrick Wilson is white, and 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.080 because that's the other thing, Like, um, with Aquaman, there's 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.560 never like a line or anything in the movie where 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.360 you know, he'd be like, well, you think you're special. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.520 White people treat me like shit all the time on land. 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.640 You guys aren't any different. Blah blah blah, you know 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.080 what I mean. And it's you know, there's never a 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.040 line of dialogue like that. But for the biracial people 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.120 in the room watching this, it's like, oh, yeah, of 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.160 course he would think that way, you know. And of 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:57.160 course Aquaman is going to be thinking, you know, oh, 0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:01.200 it's the fucking system. You know, it's Atlantis and these 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:06.240 racist as white mermaids that killed my mom for loving 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.520 a brown man like human. But the human in this 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:16.480 specific example is indigenous. And the other guys like, no, 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:21.120 it's you. So that's interesting, Like it's not subtle. I 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.000 wouldn't say that it was subtle. I think it's just 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:26.880 apparent and just kind of treated like duh, if you 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.840 get it, you get it. Yeah, the metaphor is is 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:36.320 pretty clear. That's another thing. One more thing. Sorry, but like, um, 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.680 It was interesting to me because as awesome as like 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:44.440 Polynesian Mermaids would totally be, I like that the Atlanteans 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:50.240 are white, I guess, and the humans are indigenous, like 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.160 at least in this story, because it could have been 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.440 so easy, like because I've seen this so many other 0:33:56.520 --> 0:34:01.240 times where it's flipped where it's like, oh, well, I'm 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:05.800 the outcast and I'm the allusion and the allegory for racism, 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.759 even though I'm Harry Potter and super white, or I'm 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:12.080 Sabrina Spellman and I'm white and they're calling me half breed. 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.759 But you know, it's like, no, you're not the allusion 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:19.520 to racism. It's like the racism is present, but it's 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:24.360 kind of taken the backseat to species. I guess I 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.920 didn't connected that, but yeah, it's like that it's not 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.759 the like one to one mothering narrative that we've seen 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.560 a ton of times, and I think that gives it 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:37.280 a level of sincerity too, as far as like the allegory, 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.360 because it could have been, you know, takeaway Atlantis and everything. 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.080 It could have been another story about racism and mixed 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.000 ethnicity and all this other stuff. But you know, it's 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.920 like Okay, so it's gonna be about this with the 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:55.520 Mermaid politics, who just so happens to have a biracial 0:34:55.600 --> 0:35:01.000 Polynesian indigenous actor, And I'm like, okay, that's better a 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:06.040 little bit more sincere, Yeah, I appreciate that. Um. Okay, 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:10.920 So let's see. Mara has shown up and she's like, yeah, Aquaman, 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.520 you gotta come be King, you gotta stop orm Um. 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.799 And she also tells him about this sacred trident that 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:22.480 had once belonged to King at Land that if he 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.520 can find he can use it to dethrone arm and 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:31.600 he's like, no, that trident's just a myth. Then orm 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:36.680 causes this huge tidal wave that destroys this coastal town 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.480 and nearly kills Aquaman's dad. It sends a lot of 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.440 trash that had been dumped in the ocean back onto 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.640 Land as sort of like a warning from orm. So 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.600 this causes Aquaman to agree to accompany Mera and help 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.799 her stop arm. So they go to Atlantis and meet 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.600 up with Volco, who, by the way, we learned through 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:04.080 flashbacks that throughout Arthur's childhood, Vocal has been training him 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.840 basically how to be Aquaman, like be this magnificent fighter 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:11.680 and teaching him how like you know, nice Jaffar, nice Jafar. 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.279 You you can breathe underwater, you can see underwater, you 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.560 can talk underwater, all this stuff. So he's been like 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.040 training Aquaman his whole life. It is so fun to 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:24.280 see scenes of Willem Dafoe being so nice, Like it's 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:27.680 just like wow, where that like scene where they jump 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.480 off the cliff and he's like, you was see something cool? 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.160 Of like this vibe is unfamiliar to me. This is nice, 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.000 so good. I love that scene. One of my favorite 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.400 shots in the movie is when they're sitting on like 0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:43.279 the edge of like that cliff under the water and 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.160 just watching all the mantas like swim by. Yeah. Like 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.360 this movie is so gorgeous in theaters, Like just seeing 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.439 it on a big screen was just a treat. Another thing. 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:58.560 But what's his name? Volco? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So how 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.319 do I tie this in? Let's um, So, once upon 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:06.319 a time in the United States, it was illegal for 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:11.560 Native Americans to practice our religion, our culture, you know, 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:16.279 residential schools and just government policy like you could not 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.600 be Native and if you did have anything as far 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.520 as like a rattle a drum, sweet grass stage, you know, 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.080 anything like that. If you were caught practicing and praying, 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.640 you know, you could go to jail for it. You 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.880 could be imprisoned for it. So this part of the movie, 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.600 again it's subtle, but you know, when you're Native and 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.759 you're watching it, you know, it's kind of clicks. It's 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:43.080 like he's learning about his culture in secret because they 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:47.759 don't want him to know about how to be Atlantean. 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:49.680 It's like, you're a human and we don't want you 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:54.040 here anyway. But it's like learning about that element of 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.800 who you are when you're disconnected from it, and learning 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.920 about the history and the customs and how to fight 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.600 and how to use your abilities. I mean, in this movie, 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.399 it's talking to fish and swimming and finding out who 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:12.120 you are. But still it's like finding out this wonderful 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.840 part of your family and your history and the culture 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:21.200 that you belong to. And there's just a small observation. 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.520 I just really I really like that totally layers this 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.240 movie's I was like, let's we start talking to Ali. 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.960 I'm going to be fully like this is the greatest 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.280 movie ever made, you know what, much like the Ocean, 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:40.040 this movie is deep it can be, and sometimes it's shallow, shallow, 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.600 just like the ocean. Okay, so let's see so Volco. 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:48.040 They meet up with Volco and then he has a 0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:52.320 clue about the final resting place of this sacred trident. 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.520 But before they can do anything about it, Aquaman is 0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:00.200 captured and brought to Orm, who Aquaman then challenge is 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.560 to a duel, and the terms are that if Aquaman wins, 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:09.560 Orm will stop the war. If Orm wins, he's like, Aquaman, 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.360 you're over. So I guess he's gonna kill I'm not 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:19.600 sure exactly what fusing terms, which quickly becomes clear that 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.400 they really should have hashed out what the terms were well, 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.080 because because he's like, oh, you know, the war will 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.160 be over, and he's like, but if I win, you're over, 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:37.360 which is funny, so yeah, or this evil but sometimes 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.040 he's such a petty little asshole that it's almost like 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.879 it's the same like brain scratch that when you see 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.719 a succession character acting out where you're like, you're being 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:49.759 so silly right now. When he screams like I am 0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:56.000 ocean Master, You're like, okay, are you You're not giving 0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:01.920 me ocean master in that wig? I don't think so oh, 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:05.799 I love it. Right Here we get another quick flashback 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.399 where Vocal is training teenage Aquaman, and this is also 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:15.240 when Vocal reveals that his mother had died long ago 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.160 and that she was sacrificed by King or VA's, who 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.640 had gotten very jealous when he found out that she 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:26.520 had had another son with a human man. Okay, so 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:31.600 I feel just because of that detail, you know, that 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:35.480 he found out that she had a child with another person, 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.720 and that was enough, not even another person, but like human, 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.920 that was enough to execute her. And I mean, just 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.759 judging from the fact that she fled this arranged marriage 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.960 and spent years away, you know, out of the sea 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:56.319 and with this person, and that they came after her, 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.200 you know, um, I think it's kind of safe to 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.840 assume that or may or may not have been conceived 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.880 of rape. I think that's fair to assume that that 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.839 is definitely yeah, or at least like coerced into. Like 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.759 obviously she was forced to marry this person. But you know, 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:18.200 Mira's being in this arranged marriage as well, but she's 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.439 kind of you know, like, oh well whatever, you don't 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.319 have to love someone to marry them. It's a political thing. 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.239 But this very clearly was not the case with Atlanta, 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.640 and uh, I'm glad that they just kind of leave 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.120 that up in the air, you know where it's like, yeah, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.960 this is possible. It doesn't need to be directly harped 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.880 on addressed and yeah, but it's it. I mean, that 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:46.680 is like unfortunately, yeah, very very conceivably true. And I 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.799 thought it was, I mean, just another I mean, in 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.799 this movie, it is interesting. Is written by two men, 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:57.799 one of whom is a former cop, so you know, uh, 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:03.280 former l ap D police detect of getting worse really amazing, cool, 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.759 cool and great. So I don't want to like repeatedly, 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.200 I'm like someone else in the room came up with 0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.719 this idea, because I you won't see me handing it 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:15.040 to an l apt officer. But I did like with 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:19.279 Atlanta and Mira, two characters who are in who are 0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.680 at different points in time, in virtually the same situation, 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:27.120 but dealing with it differently, And that was again just 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:30.400 more than I expected from a superhero movie with a 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.839 gigantic budget. I feel like, if you have to with 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:36.239 the you know, they're basically the same person, and you know, 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.040 Aquaman is like, wow, Mommy's girlfriend now. Life is wild, 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.840 you know. But but Mira and Atlanta, in spite of 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:48.440 how similar their predicament was, they think of the situation 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.240 and approach the situation very differently because they're different people. 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.120 And I hate that. I didn't expect the movie to 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.759 treat them as if they were different people, because I 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.280 feel like we've seen Mommy's girlfriend now so many times. 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.279 But I appreciated that at least they did that. Yeah, 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.319 And I think it's because, like Mara and Orm have 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.440 this conversation, it's like very brief where she's like, do 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.839 you think your mother would want to see her two 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.399 children kill each other? And it sounds like they grew 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.600 up together, like she must have known Atlanta when she 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.719 was younger, and she must have known Orm when she 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.719 was younger, And that's probably why she's a little bit 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.960 more chill about like, Okay, if I got to marry 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:34.920 my best friend, whatever, but you're wrong to marry this 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:41.520 fucking dork from school who at least she is it her. Okay, 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.960 So this big battle between Aquaman and Orm is about 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.799 to happen in like the Ring of Fire or whatever thing. 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.200 It's so big. It's this fight is so large So 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.759 they have this battle where kind of neither of them 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:58.160 end up winning because Orm is sort of incapacitated in 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.239 some way. And I think it's because of me to 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:04.640 understand that Mara uses her like water manipulation powers to 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:08.279 sort of like whatever, fuck him up a little bit, 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.239 and then it allows her and Aquaman to escape. Is 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:16.320 that what happens? Something like that? It's all I remember 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.759 was just the scoreboard where it's like, look at how 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.520 awesome Orm is and then look at the stupid drunk 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:27.440 native man who wants to fight him. Right, So I 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.799 feel like Mara is like we can talk about this 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.920 later too, But I feel like Mara is playing her 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.920 cards really well, where she's like effectively convincing Orm that 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:41.319 she's like his ally and yeah, like this freaking Aquaman 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:45.319 guy is such an imbecile or something like that. And 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:49.000 then she's really just like doing this to get away 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.880 from Orm because she realizes like what a scary tyrant 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:55.400 he is. Yeah, anyway, so this fight happens, Mara and 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:59.560 Aquaman escape, and then they head to the Sahara Desert 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.239 to follow this clue that will lead them to the 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:08.520 Lost Trident. As they enter the Sahara it just blasts 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:13.000 the worst cover of Total's Africa ever by people, and 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.560 it comes out of pitou is saying, oh my god, 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.279 I like blacked that out already somehow, that there's a 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.360 pit Bull song in this movie. It comes out of nowhere. 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.200 Because overall, like the soundtrack of the movie is pretty cool. 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.839 It kind of sounds like Tron Legacy or something. You know, 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:34.479 it's pitful, except for the end credits song where there's 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:40.400 a song where it's just like everything happens movies. I 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:44.400 also like that there. Yeah, this whole section of the movie. 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.640 I was like, this is like the not obviously the 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.600 same because they were all over the world, but I 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.799 was like, this is like the National Treasure section of 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.480 the movie where they're like collecting different things and they're like, 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.680 we need this, we need this, and that leads to 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.520 another clue, and that clue at least doing another clue. Yeah, 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.400 the scene where Jason Momoa is like and this statue 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:07.280 means this, this statue means that. I was like, whoa, 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:13.560 he's doing the He's doing the Benjamin Franklin cage thing. Yeah, 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.400 It's amazing how Aquaman becomes National Treasurer for like thirty 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.200 minutes as I was like, all right, sure. So they 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.480 go to the Sahara Desert. They find this like secret 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:29.239 stand chamber where they're able to play King Atlant's ancient message, 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.960 which then leads them to Italy. I think they're in 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:39.279 Italy somewhere that region, because there's like a Pinocchio joke 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.040 that is planted and paid off when they go to Italy. 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:47.200 For some reason, You're like, what's happening? Hilarious. I really 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.719 like that scene though in Sicily, just because earlier when 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:55.440 she takes Aquaman to Atlantis for the first time, and 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.440 I think I read in an interview where James wa 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.279 was talking about this how he wanted the audience to 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:05.920 like experience Atlantis the way Arthur does, you know, for 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:09.719 the very first time, and just the wonder and the 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:13.280 amazement of it when he's flying through and he's seeing 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.480 this metropolis under the ocean and all of this amazing, 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:22.160 beautiful things, you know, So that scene is amazing. And 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.960 then when he and Mirror are walking around the desert 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.680 and she's talking about people destroy our oceans, you don't 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.480 bow your garbage into our seas and blah blah blah, 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.600 and this is the worst place ever, and he's like, yeah, 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:38.840 but we've got you know, big mountains and beautiful forests 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.680 and big lakes. You know, I mean, like we've got 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.560 some stupid people running the place, but you know, like 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:48.040 the land is beautiful too, And she doesn't really like 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.160 pay that any attention until she's in Sicily and then 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:55.480 we see her, you know, experiencing Sicily for the first 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:59.239 time and seeing all the flowers and the fruits and 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.960 the people and that little girl at the fountain, and 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.000 she's just it was so good, unless she starts eating 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:11.040 roses and then she's like yum yum, Like this is strange. 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.000 It was good. I like that, but I don't know. 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.160 The movie has scenes that works so so well, and 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.040 it almost feels like a different movie because it's like 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.600 when it's excellent, it's excellent, and then when it's really 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:29.240 really clumsy, it's it's very clumsy all over the place. Yeah. Yeah, 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:34.240 so they're they're following this next clue, but then Black 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:38.440 Manta shows up, who has been absent for a while, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.040 who has been absent for a while, but who has 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:44.719 also established this alliance with Orm, and so Orm is 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.400 like kind of making Manta do some of his bidding 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.759 and trying to get him to kill Aquaman Um. So 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:55.400 he shows up and attacks Aquaman and Mara. There's a 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.439 big fight sequence there. They eventually get away and head 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:02.719 towards the location of the trident, which is in this 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:09.240 kind of like underwater oasis cave place where surprise, guess 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:16.160 who's there, Queen Atlanta. He's going to cry again very soon. 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.279 I did not see that coming. I did not see 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:24.400 a coming. I thought, yeah, yeah, the audience and Aquaman 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.319 has everyone basically, everyone has been led to believe that 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.560 she died because she was sacrificed to the trenches, but 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.600 she managed to survive, and she's been like hiding and 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:37.640 living in you know, seclusion this whole time. So she 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.279 and Aquaman reunite. They have a nice tender moment, and 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:46.440 then Aquaman goes and gets the trident, which he's able 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.040 to do because he is the one true king. He 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:53.200 gives this whole kind of speech about how he's he 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.480 didn't come here because he thinks he's worthy. He's he 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.400 came here because like this is the only choice he 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.800 has to like save humanity basically, because he's also talking 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:05.920 to this giant fish creature who sounds like flotsam and 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:10.120 jetsam from The Little Mermaid whatever that was. I loved 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.400 that big scary fish. I was like, I watched that 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:17.560 scene twice because I was like, Oh, it's just this 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:22.040 this mean fish and that has like a really hard grip, 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.560 like and he was like, You're never gonna get this 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.399 trident from me. And then Aquaman is like, well if 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:30.359 I did, and he's like, oh, you can hear me. 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.719 And Aquaman is like yes, and he's like all right, 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.240 see if you can get it, and just like totally 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:39.920 neutralized threat in the space of like one kind of cute. 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.279 Jason Momoa's performance in that scene also was like I 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:47.480 just I just Jason Momo is so fun Like his 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.520 delivery in that scene where I don't know if maybe 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.960 maybe it was a choice, maybe he just like there 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.480 was scratch audio and he wasn't hearing the voice he 0:50:55.560 --> 0:51:01.160 was responding to, but the scary flots of jets and fishes, Wait, 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.640 you can hear me, and yes, I can hear you, 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.520 and I can understand you. And it was just like, oh, 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.799 it's just so funny. I loved that scene. There are 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:17.800 two wonderful lines in the scene it's when Arthur's talking 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.319 to uh, his mom. He's saying, you know, he still 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.640 walks at the end of the dock every morning waiting 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:29.640 for you, which you know, ugly cry. But then um, 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.040 she says something. She's like, you need to be more 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.440 than just a king or whatever. And he's like, what 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:38.879 could be greater than a king? And she says a hero? 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.919 And I'm like, you know, that was the point where 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:46.600 I'm like, this is the indigenous representation that I really 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.680 just want for like little kids, you know what i mean, like, 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.920 you know, just a hero. You know, like I wonder 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.560 if that is how like because I used to work 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.960 at a gym for a little bit and you know, 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.120 would work with little kids, so one of the bonding 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:05.040 experiences between me and these kids would be superhero movies. 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.080 And just how much my black students loved Black Panther 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.680 so much, you know, like that was their hero. And 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:16.080 it's like Aquaman. When she said that line, I'm like, 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:19.400 this is what more than ever, I feel like the 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.600 little kids in the audience, you know, the little biracial kids, 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:26.200 the Native kids, the Hawaiian kids, you know, like they 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.040 don't need a king, they need a hero. And they 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:32.080 need someone who's gonna do these incredible things and who 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:37.319 look like them and are special and are you know, extraordinary. 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:42.960 And then when he's talking to the scary Cathulhu Monster 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.319 and she's telling them, you know you're not worthy and 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.760 blah blah blah, what makes you think that you're worthy? 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:52.279 And he just straight up tells her He's like, I came. 0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.000 Let me read it, says I came to save my 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:58.000 home and the people that I love, the Trident is 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:01.040 their only hope. If that's not good enough, often, screw you. 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:07.560 I'm like, I love our King, Batman, who Batman? Who? 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:12.160 Wonder Woman? Who? Right? Which is like, again, such an 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:15.200 interesting deviation from so many superhero movies or so many 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:19.200 like I guess um like chosen one narratives where it's 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.360 like you have to prove your worth and you have 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.319 to like do the thing that proves like but in 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:28.480 a way that feels different from because he proves his 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.120 worth by like acknowledging that He's like, no, I'm not 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.600 any more worthy than anybody else. I'm just here in 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.640 this time of need, and I'm like I need to 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:42.920 take action against this TYRNT and like that's you know, 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.600 if that makes me worthy, then so be it, and 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:47.839 that is what ends up happening. But like I feel 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.680 like so many other chosen one narratives or I don't know, 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.759 it's just I really liked that about this where it's 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.480 just like he's like, no, I like, I'm not special. 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.279 I just like am here to help. And then it's 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:02.719 like cool, that makes you worthy. Hell yeah, but that 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:09.040 means you are special, like special. I was like, Jason, 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.080 don't be so humbul you obviously are going to get 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.560 the trident that it is. The other thing is like legit. 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:19.000 He he like saying, you know, like I know I'm 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.440 not worthy. I know I probably can't be king. I 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:23.719 know I'm probably not the best choice. I'm like, motherfucker, 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:28.719 You're fighting with Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman in 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:32.440 the previous movie, and you haven't mentioned that once, Like bro, 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:36.080 I would have thrown that in warm space. You're welcome, 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:40.520 Mr Humble. I always forget that because I just yea, 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.239 I don't have the correct brain for it. I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:48.799 he knows Batman, Superman, Yeah, those are his past. Yeah. 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.920 I didn't see Justice League, not the theatrical cut, nor 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.240 the Snyder cut, So I always forget that. So Aquaman 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.280 has already been introduced as a character into this cinematic 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:01.560 universe a year prior to this, I believe, because Justice 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:05.120 League was released theatrically in twenty seventeen, So he's already 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:09.080 existed in this universe as this character fighting alongside Yeah, 0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:12.840 and I think chronologically that all happens before the events 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.359 of this teen Aquaman movie takes place too. Yeah, he's 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.160 already done all this like superhero ship and then now 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:23.319 he's like saving the world on his own. Uh. Yeah, 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:26.759 I always forget that because I skipped Justice Leave. It's 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.799 I'm sure that they sort of want you to forget that. 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:31.759 They don't want you to like hyper fixated on all 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:33.920 the cool ship because it kind of undercuts the story. 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.680 But I mean, I don't know the script did make 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.000 me forget. I just sort of assumed. I was like, well, 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:41.719 I guess he just hasn't met them yet, because like 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.239 you're saying, Ali, I'm like, I wouldn't shut up about it, 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:49.120 Like yeah, I was like, listen, orm you wouldn't have 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:52.760 an ocean if I hadn't saved the planet from Steppin Wolf. 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:57.759 So you're welcome Ocean Master. Yeah, Mr Ocean Master, how 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:01.840 do you like that? That Ocean Master line read really 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.000 killed me? It's like, God, how do you say that 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.759 with a straight face? Very funny? Wild? Okay, So there's 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.040 just a little bit of the story left. Uh, so 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:14.960 you know Aquaman getting the trident. Meanwhile, orm is launching 0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:19.600 an attack against some of the other sea kingdoms because 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.239 I think he's trying to like gain control over them 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:26.080 so that he can launch this attack against the surface. 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:30.319 That whole thing. I was like totally understand what he's 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.880 trying to do. But then Aquaman shows up with the 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:37.560 trident to stop arm. There's another big battle. Aquaman and 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:41.520 may kiss at some point, um because she does have 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:45.719 to be his girlfriend. Not only like it comes out 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:49.800 of nowhere, but it's like, you know, it's Jason Momoa 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.000 and she could die in the next scene, so fucking 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:56.200 get him. But also I wonder if that's what kissing 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:58.920 Jason Momoa is like, where you just like the chaos 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:03.120 just kind of stops that there's like explosions and it's 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.680 just time stops. I mean, like sucking Lisa Bone, I 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.040 know it's like that every day. Could she come out 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.000 and confirm. Is that what it's like the kiss Aquaman? Yeah, 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.760 please let us know, Lisa. I also had that thought 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.240 that I was like, oh, if I kissed Jason Mamoa, 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:20.120 I probably would also feel like a whale just took 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:23.440 me away to some a second location afterwards, because a 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.720 whale just shows up and she's like, I gotta go, 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.320 and like later, I hope that that is the Jason 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:33.040 Mamma experience, that that a free Willie shows up and 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:35.600 it just takes you where you need to go. Afterwards, 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.560 so they're having the big battle, Aquaman eventually wins against Orm. 0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:45.200 Atlanta shows up and she's like my two sons, and 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:50.240 then Aquaman shows Orm mercy. Orm is taken away as prisoner, 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:54.600 and then the people of Atlantis accept Aquaman as their 0:57:54.720 --> 0:58:00.000 king a k a. King Arthur, which is also funny 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:03.480 it it makes you think. And then the movie ends 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:08.320 with Aquaman's mother and father reuniting on the dock and 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.640 having a beautiful kiss, and then we get some voice 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:16.160 over from Aquaman saying that their love that probably never 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.000 should have had, like you know, it wasn't supposed to happen, Uh, 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:23.960 it did happen and end up saving the world the end, 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:28.560 you cry, cry, cry, cry, cry, Cry cries so much. 0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:31.880 Let's take a quick break and then we will come 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:41.120 right back to cry and discuss, and we're back where 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.360 would we like to begin? I mean, there's not a 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.800 ton ton ton of um. There are a few context 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:51.400 things that we should touch on before jumping back into 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.200 the story maybe, but the things that stuck out to 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.320 me was I did I was like God. The screenplay 0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:02.040 ultimately was co written by a top uh so will 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:08.600 be what the fuck um co written with David Leslie 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.760 Johnson McGoldrick, which is a lot of names in a row. 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:16.000 We've also got a story by credit from Jeff john Yeah, 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:19.320 question Mark. Oh, I just I mean, most of this 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:21.840 crew seems to be like with the kind of the 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.200 outlier of Will bel I don't really know why why 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.920 he's here, and I kind of wish he wasn't. But um, 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.120 it seems like James One was allowed to kind of 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:33.400 bring his like team of people he usually collaborates with 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.560 to this movie, which is cool because it looks like 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:39.760 a James One movie and not like they just threw 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:42.080 all these DC who house people at him and he 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.880 didn't get to make the movie. He wanted that said 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:49.800 a lot of men, really male, heavy production, like top 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:53.680 level production stuff. Is all all guys, And are they 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.600 I know James one isn't white, but are the other writers? 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:01.960 Are they people of color? Are they? Uh? Let me 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.919 double check, but I do not believe. So, yeah, James 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:12.520 Won is Chinese Australian. Will Beal is a white cop. Uh. Yeah, 1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:14.280 I was doing it. I was doing a quick Google 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.800 of everyone, and it is it is mostly white guys 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:19.840 at the top of this project. That's a little I 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.120 don't know, that's a little surprising, especially with all the 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:27.000 nuance that this film kind of has with the racism. 1:00:27.080 --> 1:00:31.040 I know that like just tangentially that like these movies 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:34.480 are like there's writer's rooms that take place around these movies, 1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:38.000 and those writers don't get credited. So I'm assuming, I 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:40.240 just I'm assuming that whatever goes right in this movie, 1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:44.840 a white cop didn't write like he wrote all the 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:48.520 Nazi ship probably but yeah, yeah, he's like, oh orm, 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:52.560 I'll take orm. I got it. Like, but yeah, I 1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:54.600 just want to igno and and and then also just 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:58.280 um for the five times this episode shout out James 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:02.400 Won because you gotta love him. He's and if you 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:05.440 and if you haven't really gone into the want of 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:10.440 verse he made. I never get like at another certain 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:13.480 people you think of and you're like, I'm so upset 1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:16.520 at you for being so smart, so young and so like. 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.640 He made the Saw movie, the first Saw movie, when 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:22.840 he was like twenty five or something. It's ridiculous he 1:01:22.920 --> 1:01:25.600 did so he did the conjuring he did in City 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.400 as he did like he did, he just did Malignant. 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:33.000 He's like forty three. I was like this man, and 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:37.480 he seems like such a sweetie pie. James. I wonder, 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:41.320 I wonder if super Yockey has made James Wan Sure, 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:46.400 I would like one. I think. Another important piece of 1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:50.880 context for this movie is that canonically early I guess, 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:55.040 at least as far as like comic book character Aquaman 1:01:55.160 --> 1:02:00.360 was created as a white character. And then when Zack 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:04.760 Snyder whoever was in charge of casting Jason Momoa as 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:10.280 Aquaman in Justice League, basically was just like, this doesn't 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:12.440 need to be the white character that we saw in 1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:15.960 the comic books. We can just kind of cast whoever 1:02:16.640 --> 1:02:21.560 they cast. Jason Momoa, who is native Hawaiian and to 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:25.240 some extent Native American. On I believe his mother's side, 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:30.240 but he I think doesn't necessarily claim as much heritage there, 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:35.000 so he um just give that some clarity. Yeah, yeah, 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.200 Jason Momoa is a bit of a problematic faith just 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:42.120 because he has played Native American characters in the past. 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:45.720 He was in a movie, uh called Rhoda Paloma I 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:48.120 think is how you say it, where he played a 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:51.000 Native character. He was on a show called The Red 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:54.000 Road where he plays a Native character. And he was 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:58.560 on Frontier where he plays a Native character. And again, 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:03.000 you know, and distinction there is, you know, like Hawaiians 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:07.600 are not Native American and Native Americans are not Hawaiian 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:12.640 because it's you know, different different histories, different cultures. So 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:16.320 in an interview for The Red Road on Sundance TV, 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:20.080 the lady interviewing him asked him if he has any 1:03:20.200 --> 1:03:23.800 Native heritage, and he says, you know, my grandmother she 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:26.720 has a little bit of pawny, but I wouldn't say 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:28.840 that I have enough. And I think that that's an 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:34.160 important distinction, kind of problematic phrasing, you know, in a way, 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:35.960 you know, you don't really want to talk about blood 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:40.640 quantum and go into that, Kara, but you know the 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:42.760 fact that he does acknowledge, Like, you know, I'm a 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:46.840 little bit uncomfortable claiming to be Pawny, even if Grandma 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:52.400 might have been. I am Hawaiian, So I'm glad that 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:55.560 you know, at least with Aquaman, it's like, yes, this 1:03:55.720 --> 1:04:00.400 is Hawaiian, this is Polynesian, but it's also in Agenois 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:05.280 and American, and you know, like he can really I 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:08.200 don't know, I feel like this creation was very much 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:13.840 part of Jason Momoa's influence, and uh, it feels more 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:17.040 sincere that way, because it's like, dude, stop sucking playing 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:21.520 native characters. Let a native person play the character. I 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:24.760 honestly wasn't aware of the full, like the full context 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:30.760 of his history there. Thank you for for letting us know. Uh, 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:33.479 we started to touch on this, and Alie, you were 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.920 speaking to this already, but I'm interested to hear you 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:39.000 speak more about kind of your connection with this movie, 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:42.880 especially in terms of like it's indigenous representation. It's an 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:47.640 indigenous superhero that there aren't really any other examples of 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:51.200 that by racial representation. I mean, yeah, yeah, if you 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.480 want to speak to that anymore. Well, it was interesting 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:57.960 when I did my research and so many people, you know, 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:01.960 like wrote these articles about Aquaman being like the first 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:07.280 actual big biracial superhero and like I even was like 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:10.080 trying to you know, I'm like, is that correct? You know, 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:13.040 like I'm going back, and the only one I can 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:16.360 really think of was Brandon Lee and The Crow because 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:21.000 he's Chinese and white. But little kids were not watching 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:24.680 the Crow, you know, like the same audience watching the 1:05:24.760 --> 1:05:27.880 Crow was not, you know, like it's not as accessible 1:05:27.920 --> 1:05:31.920 as Aquaman was. So in the same way that Blade 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:35.360 and Black Panther are different, Like people try to say 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:39.920 that Black Panther isn't the first black superhero. That was Blade, 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:42.600 and I'm like, yeah, but children were not the target 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:46.880 audience for Blade. They have it that was like R 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:49.680 rated right, it was like it's very gory and graphic, 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:52.760 and Blade wasn't presented as like look at this role 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:57.920 model for children, like no, no, yeah. And even Jason Momoa, 1:05:58.040 --> 1:06:00.960 like in an interview, so he said, is honestly to 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:05.280 be the first mixed race Superheroen is like, really, is 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:07.800 is there not one? He's like, that's a huge honor. 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:10.320 And to play it so close to who I am 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:12.560 and all of his imperfections, I get to play it 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:15.280 in a way where you can really slip between those 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:17.760 two worlds. And I'm excited for the world to see it, 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:21.240 he says, I haven't seen Aquaman yet because I'll be 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:24.040 able to see something with my kids for the first time, 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:27.720 and I'm going to be really emotional and affected and 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:30.200 to hold their hands. It's going to be a really 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:32.320 cool moment to be a dad with a ten year 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:36.440 old and eleven year old. It's pretty special. And yeah, 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:39.040 you know, like that's what I think too. Like again, 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:40.720 you know, I used to work with kids at the 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:45.520 gym and stuff, and there was this one specific little boy, 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:47.960 you know, and he's black. I don't know if he 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:49.960 was by racial. I think both of his parents are black, 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:54.680 but he had these beautiful like amber colored sort of 1:06:54.760 --> 1:06:57.200 their brown eyes, but they kind of had like yellow 1:06:57.240 --> 1:07:00.120 in them a little bit. And he would like, oh, 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:02.920 I have eyes like Aquaman. You know what I look like. 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:06.240 You know what I mean. It's like I love that, 1:07:06.760 --> 1:07:10.520 you know, like this kid who clearly is like, even 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.600 if Aquaman isn't black, there's something you know, it's a 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:18.440 brown superhero. It's by racial superhero. It some elements of 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:21.439 him look like him. And it's like, you know, that's 1:07:21.440 --> 1:07:25.280 what I want for these kids, you know, especially indigenous kids, 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:30.000 you know, who really might not have a role model 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:35.080 like Superman or Batman or something to that extent. You know, 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:39.600 like seeing yourself on screen is is very important, especially 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:44.480 like when I think about representation for me. You know, 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:47.680 there's a million actresses out there who look like me. 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:49.920 There's a million characters who look like me, but I 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:53.880 don't feel like they are me. But then when I 1:07:54.000 --> 1:07:59.520 see Native actresses, you know, in shows like Reservation Dogs 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:04.000 or you know, anything else, really I'm like, I don't 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:07.600 feel like that's representing me either, because I'm so white 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:12.160 passing and biracial and not really connected to the culture. 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:14.640 And I think that's why I gravitated so much towards 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:19.200 Frozen two when it came out, because it was you know, 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:22.439 an aquaman too in this extent, especially with the dad 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:25.519 and you know, the parents looking so much like mine 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:29.639 and all the other stuff. I hope that answered your question. 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:33.599 I kind of went out, that's like, that's so, that's 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:36.640 so lovely to hear, Like, yeah, this movie, I mean this, 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.920 And again it's like this movie is it's so interesting 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:43.479 to me because this movie wasn't marketed in that way 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:46.880 at all, Like it was just like, here's the Aquaman movie. 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:50.280 And then like I just and and maybe I just 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:54.599 wasn't engaging with I feel like I'm my my feed 1:08:54.760 --> 1:08:57.559 does not superheroes don't come up in my feet a lot. 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:00.800 Uh So maybe I missed this course, but I didn't 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:02.880 hear much about it either. I mean it was like 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:07.559 I was very pleasantly surprised that and it's and it 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:11.000 just fits into the story so seamlessly. Yeah. Another thing 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:14.439 I think is really interesting about the narrative is that 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:20.200 Aquaman the character being mixed being by racial even though 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:23.599 it's never explicitly stated in the movie like he's half 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:28.400 Atlantean and half specifically indigenous human, it's always just like 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:33.519 he's half human and half Atlantean. Like we've mentioned, there's 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:36.840 like a clear allegory that can still be drawn because 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:39.200 he you know, he still has indigenous roots. And then 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:42.080 you can see this allegory of like, yes, he's half 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:48.360 white because Nicole Kodman is a white woman and half indigenous. 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:52.040 So even though there's like not an explicit discussion happening 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:54.479 about that in the movie, really there's like this you know, 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:58.000 clear allegory that's being presented. Even so, in the movie, 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:03.280 him being mixed is a thing that gets commented on 1:10:03.520 --> 1:10:07.519 quite a bit, both by his like enemies who see 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:12.720 him being mixed as like a travesty. You know, he's 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:17.240 called whatever clearly like slurs by Patrick Wilson's character, by 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:22.440 King Orm versus other you know, his allies are constantly 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:26.400 reinforcing this. You know, you're the bridge between these two worlds. 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:28.360 We need you, and this is part of what makes 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:32.280 you worthy because you have these two experiences, you have 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:36.799 backgrounds from both of these worlds, both of these people 1:10:36.880 --> 1:10:41.160 that can unite us because there you know, there's Nicole 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:43.840 Kidman shows up at the end and she's like, there 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:46.879 aren't two worlds. Actually it's not. You know, the surface 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:50.439 people and the underwater people were all from the same planet. 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:56.080 We are one. And again, like the voiceover, the voiceover 1:10:56.360 --> 1:10:59.920 in the end is you know Aquaman saying, you know, 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:02.639 my father was a lighthousekeeper, my mother was a queen. 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:06.040 They never were meant to meet, but their love saved 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:08.680 the world. They made me what I am. A son 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:11.799 of the land, a king of the seas. And it's 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:15.840 like this celebration of his like kind of bicultural identity 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:23.120 is what saves the world. Let me comment on that one. Ah, 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:29.639 the end of the movie kills me. Yeah, okay, so 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:35.280 um when he says that, I know, he's like, you know, 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:38.800 speaking in terms of like Atlantis and people, you know, 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:45.439 but so saying, you know, like they were never supposed 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:48.040 to meet, but their love saved the world. It's like 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:52.240 that got to me, you know, like for a number 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:57.919 of reasons. Um, you know, all things considered, my parents 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:02.200 were never supposed to be you know, m and uh, 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:05.960 my dad's parents certainly were never supposed to me. You know. 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:12.240 It's like with residential schools and colonialism and all these 1:12:12.320 --> 1:12:16.080 terrible things that have happened, you know in the United 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:21.640 States and Canada. It's like Grandma was never supposed to 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:26.679 be alive, you know, It's like Dad was never supposed 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:30.240 to be alive. You know, like technically none of us 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:33.519 are supposed to be here. And you know, like when 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:35.840 you put it in that perspective, what do you think 1:12:35.920 --> 1:12:39.280 that you know, against all odds, like we're here, and 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:44.800 we're here because grandpa loved a Native woman and they 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:49.200 had children and then my dad met my mom. You know, 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:53.400 like how easily. Could Grandma have been sterilized at those 1:12:53.400 --> 1:12:55.880 schools or could have died at those schools, Like we're 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:59.760 still finding you know, all of these bodies of these 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:03.360 two oldren you know, that are buried at different residential 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:07.880 schools and stuff, and it's like that could have been 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:10.439 any of them, you know, that could have been Auntie, 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:12.719 that could have been Grandma. You know, like the state 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:15.200 could have taken Dad away from her, you know. And 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:17.840 it's like so many things could have happened where they 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:22.799 were never supposed to meet, and they did. And uh, 1:13:23.160 --> 1:13:27.360 even then, like once upon a time, like interracial marriages 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:32.519 were illegal into like the seventies, you know, like they 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.400 could have went to jail for being married, you know, 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:41.880 or you know, having interracial children. So it's uh, you know, 1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:45.080 against all odds finding each other in this life. I mean, 1:13:45.120 --> 1:13:49.880 it's kind of beautiful, and I'm happy that the movie 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:52.320 ended on a happy note. I'm glad that Aquaman's mom 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:57.400 didn't get fucking fridged like usually, you know, so the 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:03.759 end where you know these the end where she's there 1:14:04.120 --> 1:14:07.599 and he finds her again. It's like when you're sitting 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:10.400 in the theater with mom and you know that that's 1:14:10.439 --> 1:14:15.960 not what's gonna end because she's sick, it was still 1:14:16.040 --> 1:14:19.120 kind of healing, and it's like, you know, I'm not 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:22.120 really religious or anything, but it's like, at the end 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:24.320 of all things, I kind of hope that that's where 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:30.080 we find her someday. You know, I'm so happy I'm 1:14:30.120 --> 1:14:32.519 not the only person on the planet who fucking cries 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:36.040 over Aquaman because like the other articles that I've read 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:39.120 where people said that they got very emotional toops m 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:43.960 h ah. I don't know if this movie meant to 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:49.080 go so deep, but I interpreted it deeply. So that's 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:52.880 the beautiful thing about art and stories and movies is 1:14:52.920 --> 1:14:57.280 that they can be interpreted any which way they can be. 1:14:57.600 --> 1:15:01.360 You know, the experience that you're any viewer bringing into 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:05.639 the viewing experience will kind of inform I think it's 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:11.160 really beautiful that James One Superhero Aquaman movie is something 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:15.400 that's so like profoundly important and like impactful and effective 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:19.880 to you. I'm so glad and I'm so glad you 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:23.240 have that that memory with your mom too. That's really beautiful. Yeah, 1:15:23.240 --> 1:15:27.559 that's really great. Yeah me too. It was good good 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:33.200 last movie and uh a happier memory was when we 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:36.240 were watching it is at the beginning of the movie 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:42.280 when he breaks into the submarine, because Mom she she 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:44.639 would watch all of the m c U with us 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:48.120 all the time, and her favorite was Thor, like she 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:51.960 loved Thor. And then when Aquaman broke into the submarine 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:55.320 and it's just beating everyone's ass, She's like, oh, no, 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:58.160 I don't know if who I like more? Now do 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:00.479 I like Thor more? Do I like Aquaman more? And 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:02.840 then they dude hit him and he like did that 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:05.479 little head tilt before he kicked his ass? And we're 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:12.600 both like, yeah, Aquaman, sorry, Chris. My mom had a 1:16:12.680 --> 1:16:18.080 type long haired muscly men man. It was also a 1:16:18.080 --> 1:16:25.040 teddy bear right funny, another lovely memory. Man, We're going 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:30.840 we're going deep on Aquaman. I'm so happy it's good. 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:34.280 It's good movie. I like it even if it kills me. 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:37.320 It's a good movie. And it made I wanted to 1:16:38.000 --> 1:16:40.519 just shout out how again. I mean, I feel like 1:16:40.560 --> 1:16:43.080 at this point, for the majority of people have a 1:16:43.120 --> 1:16:47.599 commonly accepted truth. But like, this movie made a shipload 1:16:47.600 --> 1:16:50.960 of money. This movie made over a billion dollars. Yeah, globally, 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:54.040 I think, yeah, Like I didn't. I guess I didn't 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:58.600 remember how wildly successful this movie was. Um, because I 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:00.439 just don't pay attention to the dc you because I 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:02.640 assume it's boring. But then I'm like, well, if it's 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.640 James Want, it's not going to be boring. And if 1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:08.200 they had billion dollars, I know, the d C EU 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:11.960 just hasn't been like none of them are really any good. 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:15.040 I would say, like they only had like three really 1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:19.040 really good ones, and that would be this one, Aquaman, 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:23.439 Wonder Woman, and Birds of Prey. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:25.640 those are the ones. Yeah, those are really because the 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:29.160 Superman ones haven't really been that good, the Batman ones 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:33.719 really haven't been good. Wonder Woman is awful, Oh my gosh, 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:38.120 what a third really, And I mean not for nothing 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.960 that the three good d c EU movies were directed 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:43.439 by women and people of colored not a white guy 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:47.280 to be seen Wonder Moons. Yeah, but yeah, I mean 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.960 it's huge box office success, which, by the way, it's 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:53.040 as of this recording, it's the twentie highest grossing film 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:56.679 of all time, but hilariously only the fifth highest grossing film, 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:59.880 of which means there were four other movies in the 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:03.840 gross more, which was like an Offers movie. Black Panther 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:10.200 incredible too, and I'm forgetting the other one, Durrassic World 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:13.360 whatever Durassic World came out. Oh my god, Yeah, I 1:18:13.400 --> 1:18:17.240 guess that's that's so wild And all the while we 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:20.360 couldn't get a better wig for Mera with a billion dollars. 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:25.120 Then she looks so much like Aerial from Disney's Little Mermaid. 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:31.000 That distracting. I did, Um, obviously, I mean maybe this 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:32.800 is the part where we can like kind of say it, 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:37.479 like as we talk about Mira. Yeah, so like there 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:41.280 is definitely obviously a conversation to be had about domestic 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:44.200 violence and abuse, and it's not something that should be 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:49.560 ignored or overlooked. Of course, Um, several places have already 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:55.559 discussed this, and you know as far as Amber heard, yes, yes, 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:58.760 as far as Amber heard, and everything that's surrounding that, 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:03.360 the controversy. Um, so that's why we really just wanted 1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:07.160 to focus more on the indigenous aspect of the film, 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:09.080 because there is a lot to be said without really 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:13.000 even mentioning her. Right, but now that we are going 1:19:13.080 --> 1:19:17.640 to mention her, you know, not to give not to like, um, 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.840 it's not framing her in a positive light, so to 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:23.599 say more like the character just kind of separating the two. 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:28.360 We want to acknowledge that we are well aware that 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:32.280 this is I mean an ongoing case and well, I mean, well, 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:35.200 let's let's link to some resources to that effect in 1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:38.360 the notes of the show. So if you're if you're 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:40.760 not aware of the situation, we're not going to get 1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:42.719 into it here because we would be here for hours 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:44.439 and it would it would take away from what we 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:46.680 do want to discuss about this movie. But we are 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:51.000 aware of the ongoing case with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:54.639 Domestic violence is always something that we want to never 1:19:54.680 --> 1:19:58.559 ever erase in the scope of our show. UM. But yeah, 1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:02.400 so we just wanted to acknowledge it that that is 1:20:02.479 --> 1:20:05.200 something that's ongoing at the time of this recording. Um, 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:08.160 in terms of like the the case is still going. 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:10.200 And I believe the Amber Heard is not coming back 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:13.200 for the second Aquaman movie. I think she is. I 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:16.240 think they are filming because yeah, well there was a 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:20.479 lot of controversy around her casting in the second movie 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:24.280 because they wanted to recast her, and people wanted to 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:28.040 boycott Aquaman two because of that, and it's like, you know, 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.080 I know this is an unpopular opinion. I mean, whether 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:34.400 she's an Aquaman two or not, I'm still going to 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:39.120 see it because he is the only indigenous, bi racial 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:44.040 superhero like period, and like, why let her ruin that, 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:46.240 you know, like, for lack of better terms, I mean, 1:20:46.280 --> 1:20:49.800 why take it away? You know, according to MDB, she 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:53.440 does appear to be in this sequel that she about 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:59.639 a year from now in December. So okay, well, yeah, 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.040 we want to make sure that we acknowledge that. And 1:21:02.360 --> 1:21:08.439 you know it would have felt weird too not addressing address. Yeah, 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:12.240 but we'd rather focus on other aspects of the film. 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:14.680 We're focusing on the story here. We'll we'll leave a 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:18.120 link in the description of this episode, right, but you know, 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:23.040 just separating Mira from the actress um the character herself, 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:26.800 I mean, is strangely pretty capable. I think, you know, 1:21:26.920 --> 1:21:29.320 I tend to agree, yeah, to an extent. I like 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.160 that her motivation really isn't you know, Oh, I'm in 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:36.000 love with Arthur. You know, it's like, no, my soon 1:21:36.040 --> 1:21:40.559 to be husband is a fucking lunatic and yeah, you know, 1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:43.120 we have to save the world and I have to 1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:46.400 like kind of teach this guy how to save the world. 1:21:46.680 --> 1:21:50.400 She's kind of the impetus that gets Aquaman even involved 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.639 in the plot of the movie, which is pretty cool. 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.599 I was all over the place with her, honestly, Like, 1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:59.479 there are certain scenes where I was like, because I 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:02.360 totally agree with like she is the one that brings 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:06.320 him into the action, but she's like, I think, unless 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.040 I missed something, the first time she participates in the 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:12.160 action of the movie, like she fights is an hour 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:14.760 and a half into the movie, and the movie is 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:17.240 two and a half hours long, to be fair, So 1:22:17.280 --> 1:22:19.320 she is involved in the act. Once she is involved 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:21.560 in the action of the movie, she remains involved in 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:24.040 the action and she's in the rest of the battles. 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.479 But it it took a while for her to like 1:22:28.080 --> 1:22:30.880 become and there there was a and maybe I'm being 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:34.200 like overly I don't know, maybe maybe I'm being overly 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:37.240 sensitive to this thing. But the first time that she fought, 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:40.240 there was this music cue that I'm like, I know 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:44.400 this music cue. It's guess who's fighting now, Like, there 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:46.920 is that music cue the first time she fights, where 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:51.120 it's a long stare, like she looks at the bug guy, 1:22:51.280 --> 1:22:53.280 I don't know what, Like she looks at the scary 1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:56.840 guy and she's like, oh, you don't think a girl 1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:59.000 can fun? Like she doesn't say it, but the music 1:22:59.080 --> 1:23:01.120 tells you that. And then she fights and then you're like, 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:03.200 all right, I guess we broke the seal there. And 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:06.000 then she continues to fight, and like we know why 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:08.200 she knows how to fight like all this stuff because 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:12.559 she she had a mentor growing up as well. So 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.559 it's not a Merry Sioux situation or anything like that, 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:18.719 but I wish she'd I do. I sort of wanted 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.040 her to get involved in the action a little sooner 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:24.360 because there were I think like at least one, possibly 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:29.080 two large fight set pieces where she's sidelined and I 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:32.960 didn't think necessarily had to be right, that's fair, Yeah, 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:35.160 But I was also I was also paying attention to 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:38.120 things like does she ever have to be saved by 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:40.680 a man? Is she doing any of the shaving? And 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:43.599 I found that she she saves him twice. She saves 1:23:43.640 --> 1:23:46.679 him twice one when the first like that big title 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:50.680 wave that arm throws at them. She saves both Aquaman 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:54.800 and his dad by also like kind of giving him 1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:59.200 like Atlantean CPR, basically like using her powers to like 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:01.800 extract the her from his lungs, and then she saves 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:05.920 him from Patrick Wilson's fashy rage. Yes, and after like 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:08.720 the ring of fire battle and yeah, I mean when 1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:11.280 we do see her fighting, she is a competent fighter. 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:17.200 She can turn wine into swords. That's pretty cool. I know. 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:19.479 I was like, wow, what a live laugh love moment. 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:24.639 Uh well, I mean technically Jesus is her teacher, so 1:24:25.360 --> 1:24:31.479 whoa that. Guess what you can do with the wine? 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:36.000 Love it? It's so deep. Um, yeah, I think I think. 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:39.439 I just like that. Whenever that like girl fighting now 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:42.920 music que plays, I'm just like, come on, come on, 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:46.040 James Wan. You know women can fight. You've been doing 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:49.160 that forever. But whatever. But and then towards the end, 1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:53.880 there's there is someone who saves Mara as they're approaching 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:57.000 like the tridents resting place and they're being attacked by 1:24:57.040 --> 1:25:00.040 all these like sea creatures, and at first I thought, O, 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:02.439 it was Aquaman, but then it turns out to be 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:06.120 this unknown figure who ends up being Nicole Kidman's character. 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:08.880 So I was like, Okay, she at no point has 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:11.559 to be saved by a man, unless I'm like missing 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:15.360 something or forgetting something. I don't think that happens. No, 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:18.360 she doesn't, Okay, so that was I was like, all right, 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:21.759 that's that's something for you know, that's kind of unusual. 1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:24.559 She's fighting with weapons, like the bars on the floor, 1:25:24.720 --> 1:25:27.960 but like she fights with weapons, it's not like random 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:31.559 stuff that's around and has like powers. I feel like 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:35.080 a lot of superhero movies don't really equip if there 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:37.479 is like one woman in the story, she isn't like 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:41.040 thinking of the first like Avengers movie where Black Widow 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:45.480 all these other characters have like out of this world powers, 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:47.960 and then Black Widows like, I can wrap my legs 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:50.840 around a man's face and pussy slam him to the ground. 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:57.040 But she's got actual powers also in the like when 1:25:57.120 --> 1:26:00.080 the movie turns into National Treasure for a while and 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:03.599 they're like having to use like clue solving skills. She 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:06.080 knows what to do with the first artifact. She knows 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:08.519 where to go and how to find it. She knows 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:11.040 how to access the recording, which leads them to the 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:15.479 next clue. She memorizes that recording, which Aquaman like didn't 1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:17.960 even think to do or couldn't do, or you know, 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:21.360 I relate to that too, because I legit would be 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:23.760 like what did he just say? What do we have 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:26.080 to do? I would have to watch it forty seven 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:29.240 times and like write it down. Yeah, And I like that. 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:31.880 It's like it's not just I feel like very often. 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:34.759 I mean, I think you could even make this argument 1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:38.599 for National Treasure of like, even when there's a capable woman, 1:26:38.880 --> 1:26:41.040 she's all along for the ride. I mean, in the 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:43.200 case of National Treasure, she's a hostage for a while 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:45.960 and doesn't do any of the clue solving, even though 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:49.000 she's like a historian. So but but in this case, 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:53.720 it's not only is mera a very very important active participant, 1:26:54.040 --> 1:26:57.479 they also share a common goal like her, their fates 1:26:57.560 --> 1:27:00.599 are connected, and so the stakes are extreme high for her. 1:27:00.640 --> 1:27:02.519 It's not just like I have a crush on this guy, 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:05.080 so I'm going to help him out, or Nicholas Cage 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:07.080 is taking me hostage, so let me see what I 1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:10.559 can do, like you know, right, And then the second 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:13.599 big clue, Aquaman figures that out because he's like, oh, 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:15.599 Romulus was the king. We have to put the bottle 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.599 and the statues hand, and then that's how we find 1:27:18.640 --> 1:27:21.120 the thing. But it just means that there's equity between 1:27:21.160 --> 1:27:24.960 like she saw the first thing, he solves the second one. 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:29.760 They're like equals in this endeavor, which again is not 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:32.640 It's like, should just be the standard thing that we 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:35.559 can expect, but it's almost never that way. It's almost like, 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:38.040 you know, the man doing all the work, the woman's 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:40.720 there along for the ride to look pretty and to 1:27:40.840 --> 1:27:43.880 kiss at the end, which does happen in this movie too. 1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:46.800 I would argue that this love story feels very wedged in, 1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:49.000 doesn't really need to be there, doesn't really develop in 1:27:49.040 --> 1:27:51.360 any meaningful way except for that one scene where she's like, 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:53.640 look at me eat flowers and he's like, ha ha, 1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:57.680 you're you're cute, and then and then they're kissing right 1:27:58.080 --> 1:28:00.160 there are Yeah, there are a few like hey, end 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:04.040 brusha's and then meaningful glances and it's like is this necessary? 1:28:04.080 --> 1:28:07.360 I mean sure, I guess, And it didn't like super 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:11.160 bother me because the characters do have chemistry, but it 1:28:11.240 --> 1:28:13.519 was like, I agree, it's like it is wedged It 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:16.960 could have been a potentially like tutor, I guess, if 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:20.519 she was more like a younger sister or something as 1:28:20.560 --> 1:28:25.280 opposed to a love interest. Yeah, because the optics of like, well, 1:28:25.360 --> 1:28:27.760 I mean, I guess who cares. But it's like she 1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:30.080 was going to marry her, she's being forced to marry 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:32.280 his brother, and then she's like, oh, I guess I'm 1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:36.559 just actually going to marry her, which feels very like 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:41.280 classically royal story that felt like this felt like such 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:44.479 a modern story, and to have that like royal brother 1:28:44.640 --> 1:28:48.280 conflict felt more dated. I don't know, I don't they 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:51.559 would have taken the kiss out of that big fight 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:54.439 scene and then at the end where he's like what 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:56.320 do I do now, she's like be their king and 1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:58.519 he like kind of kisses her on the forehead before 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:00.720 he does that thing. I'm like, how cute would that 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:03.240 have been? If that would have been like a big 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:05.679 brother like I'm gonna be the king or whatever instead 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:07.920 of oh, we just made out and you know what 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:12.679 I mean, like something a little bit more wholesome. Yeah, 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:15.439 I like I like the little sister thing, or like 1:29:15.520 --> 1:29:18.320 I'd like to just see more examples of like women 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:21.400 being men and a woman being platonic friends in a 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:25.200 movie that they don't have any fine, they can still 1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:28.680 both be like movie star hot, but also like it 1:29:28.720 --> 1:29:31.360 doesn't automatically mean they're going to be attracted to each 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:36.280 other and gonna wanna kiss someone. Max and Furious too 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:39.480 hot people who don't kiss, and they are just allies. 1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:43.600 And I love that. Just let hot people be friends. 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:48.840 Just let people friends once, I would say. And I 1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:52.960 mean as far as like so Mara, I don't know, 1:29:53.040 --> 1:29:54.640 I would have liked to get to know her a 1:29:54.640 --> 1:29:57.720 little bit better. She doesn't have that much of an arc. 1:29:57.880 --> 1:30:01.400 She doesn't feel like that new wance or complicated of 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:03.360 a character to me. I don't know. I feel like 1:30:03.400 --> 1:30:06.000 there could have been more, like I don't know, just 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:09.040 emotional nuance to her, which I think could have been 1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:11.400 explored if she was like a member of their family, 1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:14.200 like the little sister or you know, a friend of 1:30:14.200 --> 1:30:17.280 the family who I don't know. It just I felt 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:19.360 like there could have been more to develop her. But 1:30:19.479 --> 1:30:22.720 I was generally impressed with the way her character was 1:30:22.760 --> 1:30:25.320 handled and the amount that she was given to do 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:28.160 and the agency that she had. I was. I was 1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:31.720 generally impressed with all of that. I agree. There is though, 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:35.320 a scene which kind of like picked for me. When 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:39.800 it's towards the end, Aquaman and Mara have shown up 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:43.559 at this like cave place where the trident is supposed 1:30:43.560 --> 1:30:46.680 to be. Nicole Kidman is also like, by the way, 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:50.240 I've been hiding for twenty years. And then we're also like, 1:30:50.280 --> 1:30:53.040 does that mean that Aquaman is only like twenty five 1:30:53.120 --> 1:30:55.200 because I think she he was like a small boy 1:30:55.280 --> 1:30:59.080 when she So I'm like, okay, I guess Aquaman's twenty 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:04.960 five or something. Think about was like forty something. Yeah, 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:07.880 she's and she's supposed to be Patrick Wilson's mother, Like 1:31:07.920 --> 1:31:10.400 Patrick Wilson is like fifty. You're like, well, I guess 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.360 it's all relative. We don't know how people in Atlantis 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:17.280 age by aging my aging underwater differently. This is just 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:20.840 a goofy Atlantis observation. But there would be some of 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:24.080 the scenes in Atlantis where you would just you would 1:31:24.160 --> 1:31:26.640 just be seeing the actors from like the chest up, 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:28.920 and then they would suddenly cut to a wide shot 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:32.040 and you're like, oh, they're floating there. It's just like 1:31:32.280 --> 1:31:37.080 that guy's hair is just like Doren has like red hair, 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:39.960 and he's just like sort of floating around and his 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:43.200 hair is all going everywhere. Seed where they take Willhem 1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:47.880 Dafoe's nice Jaffar character to the dungeon or whatever. They 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:51.120 cut to a wide shot and like to those like kicking, 1:31:54.120 --> 1:31:56.640 and I was like, that's so funny. I forget that 1:31:56.720 --> 1:32:01.160 he's swimming in this scene while he's going, um, he's 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:05.479 being taken to the dungeon. Yeah, it looks very stall anyway. 1:32:05.520 --> 1:32:07.880 So the three of them have all kind of reunited. 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:10.479 It's an aquaman and his mother and then Mara, and 1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:14.160 there's you were like Aquamans like, all right, I gotta 1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:16.120 go find the trident. And he goes and like does 1:32:16.160 --> 1:32:18.160 the very important thing of the movie, and then he 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:22.479 comes back to where Mara in Atlanta or Atlanta are 1:32:22.560 --> 1:32:24.240 just like, well, we had to wait for the man 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:26.240 to do the important thing, and then we were just 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:29.360 the two women who were sitting here waiting. Well, they 1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:33.200 don't want to. I think that's fair enough. You do 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:36.840 not want women with the tentacle monster in this movie 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:43.160 because fandom is weird enough without god fair fair enough. 1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:45.960 That picked for me as well. And I feel like 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:48.320 that could have been remedied by just like writing a 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:53.280 short scene for them. Yeah, because I forget who was 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:56.360 saying it earlier, but like she would have known Queen 1:32:56.439 --> 1:32:59.559 Atlanta since she was very young. They would have plenty 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:02.080 to talk about. She was going to be forced to 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.559 marry her bed son, she's falling in love with her 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:07.519 good son. They just have known each other for a 1:33:07.560 --> 1:33:10.280 long time. Maybe they'll reminisce about something. What is Nicole 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:13.720 Kidman been up to? Like, there's so many questions and 1:33:14.120 --> 1:33:16.920 there could have been a scene with them. Wait would 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:20.120 they have known? Wouldn't have Nicole Kidman's character been banished 1:33:20.200 --> 1:33:23.639 probably before Mary was even born? I don't know, because 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:26.960 I think Mari says something. I think Mari says something 1:33:27.000 --> 1:33:30.679 like this goes against everything your mother taught us or something. Right, 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:33.960 It's that was Yeah, it sounds like they which again 1:33:34.000 --> 1:33:36.320 you have to suspend your disbelief and believe that Patrick 1:33:36.360 --> 1:33:38.439 Wilson and Amber her at the same age, which is 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:44.000 very obviously not true. But yeah, I like I think 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:47.240 that they would have known each other. But even if not, 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.400 there's plenty to talk about. Yeah, or if like if 1:33:50.400 --> 1:33:52.479 we want to throw in another like fight sequence in 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:54.760 there where if like some of the sea creatures had 1:33:54.760 --> 1:33:57.040 like infiltrated this place and then we have to see 1:33:57.040 --> 1:33:59.479 these like two women, you know, kick some ass like 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:02.600 an action movie. After all, Like it just felt so 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:04.519 weird to me that, like he comes back and it's 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:06.639 like these two women were just like, okay, we wait. 1:34:06.760 --> 1:34:09.320 We were here waiting for you the man to do 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:11.840 with the important thing, and we were just sitting here 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:14.080 waiting and I was like, that could have been handled 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:19.360 way better. Yeah. Yeah, But bottom line, especially compared to 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:23.560 superhero movies and the way women are treated in them 1:34:23.720 --> 1:34:27.439 for years prior to this, uh, Mara's involvement in story 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:33.120 is pretty decent. Yeah, motivated, there's action, like, it's good. 1:34:33.840 --> 1:34:36.760 I wouldn't call it trinity syndrome either, you know. I 1:34:37.160 --> 1:34:39.000 there's plenty for her to do. It's not like she 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:41.920 just showed up and it's like, now what do I do? 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:46.519 And I'm here? Really how cool I am? What do 1:34:46.600 --> 1:34:49.840 I do? Nothing? Yeah, it's not like Morpheus sent me. 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:53.280 It's like I sent myself because I see that this 1:34:53.360 --> 1:34:56.479 man that I've been forced into a marriage is trying 1:34:56.479 --> 1:35:00.240 to kill the world, so I have to um stop him. Yeah, 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:01.920 and then in the same in the same way. I mean, 1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:04.280 and I think we've kind of covered this at this point, 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:08.640 but um, Queen Atlanta has a full arc. You know, 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:10.760 It's it does seem like you're kind of led to 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:13.759 believe for the majority of the movie that she is Fridged. 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:15.960 But then not only is she not Fridge, but she 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.559 gets to go on this like beautiful journey that makes 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:23.439 me cry when I think about it. Um, So, you know, 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:27.960 there are certainly more characters of consequence in this story 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:34.160 that are men. For sure. There's brother conflict, there's pirate 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:38.639 merman conflict. There's fathers and sons. There's a lot of 1:35:38.920 --> 1:35:41.599 you know, male relationship. And I don't even necessarily mean 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:43.439 that in a bad way because there's a wide variety 1:35:43.479 --> 1:35:47.040 of them. And then there are like two women in 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:51.160 the story basically, and they are both white ladies, which 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:54.640 but the women who are there, I think that the 1:35:54.760 --> 1:35:58.479 script does right by them and they have fully realized 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.960 stories and their motivated, dead and involved and yeah, h 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:04.840 I wanted to talk a little bit more about the 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:09.920 relationship between Aquaman and his dad because I think it's beautiful, 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:11.719 and we do joke a lot on the show about 1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:15.120 how like, ultimately all stories are about fathers and sons. Um, 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:18.080 this one doesn't bother me. This one's beautiful, This one 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:21.440 doesn't bother me. It's it's a very sweet and supportive relationship. 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:23.880 Between the two of them. I feel like a trope 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:27.320 you see A lot is like the younger man, the son, 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:30.800 trying to prove himself to his dad and like kind 1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:33.960 of being toxic along the way, or like the dad 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:37.839 character needs to redeem himself because he's been a shitty, 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:40.280 absent dad for his whole life. But there's like none 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:44.320 of that in this story. It's just like they've been together. 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:49.520 They are supportive of each other. There's no like masculinity 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:52.960 contest that either of them are trying to win. They're 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:57.200 just like having a nice time together and they love 1:36:57.240 --> 1:37:01.160 each other. And I really appreciate she ate that representation 1:37:01.200 --> 1:37:03.200 of like a father son relationship in a movie, because 1:37:03.200 --> 1:37:08.360 we don't usually get anything like that. Yeah, there is 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:11.240 a there's a line of dialogue the Aquamenses towards the 1:37:11.400 --> 1:37:14.479 end that I found to be confused. I don't I 1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:16.120 don't know if this was a joke or what, but 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:20.519 it's when Mara is saying she said something like we 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:23.160 need to like encourage diplomacy, or we need to like 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:25.840 try to talk this out or like get it so 1:37:25.880 --> 1:37:29.719 that the different like kingdoms of Atlantis are like get 1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:32.880 It's something along those lines. I didn't write down specifically 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:36.280 what it was, but Aquaman's response to that was, I 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:39.519 learned from a young age not to show weakness. I 1:37:39.560 --> 1:37:43.439 solved my problems with anger and my fists. I'm a 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:46.200 blunt instrument and I'm damn good at it. And I'm like, 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:48.760 is that actually even true? Like I feel like your 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:54.000 father wouldn't have like taught you that. Yeah, I'm just 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:58.400 I'm a tough man. Think guys will like guys like 1:37:58.640 --> 1:38:00.960 you as I'd be like, look, I'm a little fucked 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:05.720 up and you're like, because why like lass party and 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:08.800 with those guys in that scene earlier, but it was 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:16.400 so it was so sweet. That was like the est. Yeah, 1:38:16.439 --> 1:38:18.800 you don't see Batman doing that ship. Aquaman is so 1:38:18.880 --> 1:38:23.479 much better. He's a friendly neighborhood Aquaman. He's a wholesome 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:28.280 boy boy. Yeah. No, that that relationship with that was 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:31.080 really well done. And it also didn't like it was 1:38:31.160 --> 1:38:33.800 so I don't know, Yeah, it didn't like overtake the 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:36.520 story in a way that I feel like those relationships 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.680 sometimes do. And like, like you were saying at the 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.240 beginning of the episode, Alley, there's all of these like 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:47.200 pretty nuanced themes in this movie that just it's just seamless. 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:51.040 You don't feel like the movie is like really pushing 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:53.800 any particular theme on you. It's just like it's just 1:38:53.920 --> 1:38:57.160 happening and it's and it's good. Yeah. That's really surprising 1:38:57.160 --> 1:39:00.360 because of like Lesser Hands, you know, like this could 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:03.840 have been so messy and a movie that's already kind 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:07.400 of messy. I'm happy that part wasn't. You know, it's right. 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:14.000 I did appreciately like pro environmental conservation message of the movie, 1:39:14.040 --> 1:39:16.280 although it was kind of weird that it was the 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:18.840 motivation for the villain and that it wasn't also the 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:22.760 motivation for like the good guys. That's a little Ghostbusters 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:25.760 for me. Yeah, we're like the E p A Is 1:39:25.800 --> 1:39:31.120 the Devil. Yeah. I feel like they didn't want to 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:34.920 make the villain to sympathetic, you know, where it's like 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:38.360 kill Monger, you know, like made so many good points, 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:40.800 and it's like, well, we can't have y'all, you know, 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:43.560 rooting for the bad guys, so let's make him a misogynist, 1:39:43.680 --> 1:39:47.760 you know what I mean, like black Panther. Otherwise, I 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:50.040 mean people would be like, oh, yeah, you know what 1:39:50.080 --> 1:39:53.080 I mean, right, Like, yeah, see your point. Maybe I 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:57.000 should follow you actually, So then Orm is like, you know, 1:39:57.240 --> 1:40:02.080 well you're not wrong, but you're also a fascistict yeah, 1:40:02.120 --> 1:40:06.240 like or recognizes the environmental issue in a way that 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:11.200 Aquaman doesn't as much. But also his proposed solution is 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:15.559 violence and like racial violence and uh like would not 1:40:15.680 --> 1:40:18.599 resolve the problem, but he acknowledges it. So it's weird. 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:21.240 And then at the end that line that Nicole Kidman 1:40:21.320 --> 1:40:24.200 when she comes to like, I whatever, it's a comic 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:26.040 book story. So when she goes over and hugs her 1:40:26.080 --> 1:40:28.559 son and she's like, don't do a fascism and he's like, 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:33.200 oh man, I feel so silly, and like he's like, 1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:36.479 I'm sorry, mommy, I really I wasn't gonna I definitely 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:39.439 wasn't going to do a fascism. And then I'll go 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:42.240 to jail. Now think about what you did in the 1:40:42.400 --> 1:40:45.880 dungeon and like in the swimming dungeon or whatever, and 1:40:45.920 --> 1:40:48.960 so it's like all very whatever end of movie stuff. 1:40:49.200 --> 1:40:52.679 But then Nicole Kidman says something like that makes sense 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:56.040 thematically with aquaman S narrative, where she's like the land 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:58.640 and the you know, we're all she's kind of like, 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:01.640 this is a monoculture maybe, and it's like, Okay, that 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:05.840 is I see, I see why she's saying that, But 1:41:06.040 --> 1:41:11.200 that really pushes the environmental stuff aside. And because we've 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:14.120 been seeing I mean, that's why I'm intrigued by the 1:41:14.240 --> 1:41:19.360 Randall Park character UM and how he is going to 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:26.000 team up with be held hostage by unclear uh with 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:29.559 Black Manta. But like it seems like the movie setting, 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:31.560 like the franchise, is being set up to address that 1:41:31.600 --> 1:41:34.320 in a more meaningful way in the next movie. It 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:36.559 seems like it. I hope that there will be UH 1:41:36.600 --> 1:41:38.360 in the sequel. I hope that there will be more 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:42.639 women of color in it, especially like Polynesian women are 1:41:42.720 --> 1:41:47.200 more Polynesian characters in general, because you know, ycause it's 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:53.320 the Polynesian superhero. And also I guess the the environmental issues. 1:41:54.000 --> 1:41:56.519 I wonder if it was also now that I think 1:41:56.560 --> 1:41:59.240 about it, I wonder if it was kind of swept 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:03.160 under the rug a little bit because Jason Momoa was 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:08.120 protesting Mauna Kea around the time and then was also 1:42:08.760 --> 1:42:13.320 standing in solidarity with Standing Rock Yes, and they were 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:15.280 probably like, well, we don't want it to get to 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:19.960 preachy because we're still Hollywood and you know, I don't 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:22.519 want to make too many waves. We don't want to 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:27.120 be pro environment. That would be absurd, that would be 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:29.960 a bad look for us. So it's like, what do 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:32.559 you mean God, I mean yeah, And then you think 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:34.439 about whether you can't you can't. You just can't think 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:36.360 about it. Like the carbon footprint of a movie like 1:42:36.400 --> 1:42:39.800 this is gigantic and there aren't enough. Um. I mean, 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:42.839 that's a conversation that we should have on this show someday, 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:44.920 but I just haven't done enough research on it. But 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:47.680 just like the massive carbon footprint that movies havepen how 1:42:47.680 --> 1:42:52.439 there's basically no regulations on how much energy you can 1:42:52.520 --> 1:42:56.240 just bust into the air making you know, Willem Dafoe 1:42:56.280 --> 1:43:01.000 swim or whatever it is, Like right, yeah, I would 1:43:01.040 --> 1:43:03.400 like to learn more about that too. I feel like 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:07.080 we like, very very minimally scratched the surface when we 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:10.320 talked about Babe on the Patreon and I get a 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:14.160 little deep dive onto like how certain practical effects have 1:43:14.320 --> 1:43:19.000 like killed nearby animals on movie sets. There have been 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:21.760 a few examples of that, but like, yeah, it's not 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:24.800 just like wildlife, it's just, yeah, the kind of ecological 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:28.040 impact that a lot of production movie productions have is 1:43:29.640 --> 1:43:33.040 I'm sure not great. The next big big blockbuster we cover, 1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:38.200 maybe I'll do a section of Avatar to probably because 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:42.679 you know that. God, Yeah, when we do the Avatar episode, 1:43:42.720 --> 1:43:45.040 that would be that would because it's like, oh, this 1:43:45.479 --> 1:43:50.120 that movie does claim to be a lot of things, 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:52.440 but you're like, bull, but what was the carbon footprint 1:43:52.439 --> 1:43:55.320 of that? Mr Cameron? Can can we get some numbers there? 1:43:55.360 --> 1:44:01.160 Among other things? Yeah? H does anyone have any other 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:05.800 thoughts about the movie that they like to discuss. I 1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:09.439 want to say yes, but I'm blanking out. I think 1:44:09.560 --> 1:44:12.920 that's that's everything that I had. There's so there was 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:16.000 so much, there's so much to love about this movie. Yeah, 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:18.320 I do have a newfound appreciation for it. I mean, 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:21.759 for me, like when I watch a movie, I'm mostly 1:44:22.120 --> 1:44:26.280 analyzing until I analyze it through like the Bechtel cast lens. 1:44:26.360 --> 1:44:28.240 I'm just looking at it from like I'm mostly like 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:31.400 story point of view, and like how well are the 1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:37.040 characters developed, how compelling are the themes, how structurally sound 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:40.799 is the story? How like effective is the world building? 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:42.680 And I feel like some of those things in this 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:45.120 movie is like what made it feel very like clunky, 1:44:45.360 --> 1:44:47.519 Like most of the world building is done through like 1:44:47.680 --> 1:44:51.880 very clunky dialogue, and I'm just like, come on, of exposition. 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:58.400 Yeah there's But visually, for me, some of the choices 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:00.840 were strange, and again I was experiencing a lot of 1:45:00.840 --> 1:45:03.760 sensory overload. But um, yeah, I do have a I 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:08.240 have way more appreciation for this movie than I did 1:45:08.520 --> 1:45:11.280 before we started talking about it on this show. So 1:45:11.720 --> 1:45:14.160 I every time I see I was selling Caitlin this 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:16.800 off Mike before we started recording. But I was like 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:21.120 everything that I found confusing about this movie, I suddenly 1:45:21.240 --> 1:45:24.320 was like, I actually like it because it's all James 1:45:24.400 --> 1:45:28.559 Wan stuff, Like James Wan created Jigsaw. Who if can 1:45:28.600 --> 1:45:33.280 you think of a more expositional character than Jigsaw. He 1:45:34.320 --> 1:45:37.880 the movies are not particularly well written, and they look 1:45:38.360 --> 1:45:43.200 absolutely weird every single time, but it just it just works. 1:45:43.479 --> 1:45:47.519 His movies are just vibrating. That's the James Wan way. Yeah, 1:45:47.680 --> 1:45:51.360 Jigsaw is the ultimate I think. I guess listeners, let 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:53.760 me know if there's a character that um is more 1:45:53.800 --> 1:45:57.120 inherently expositional than Jigsaw. We should do a saw a 1:45:57.200 --> 1:46:03.120 month on the Patriot we got. Oh goodness, does this 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:07.200 movie pass the back door test. I forgot to pay attention. 1:46:07.320 --> 1:46:11.599 It does. I I saw it passing one time. It 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:13.840 is a two and a half hour movie. Maybe I 1:46:13.920 --> 1:46:18.960 missed something, But there was one interaction that Jason Momoa 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:22.320 is present for and it's shot from the back, so 1:46:22.360 --> 1:46:25.559 it could have even been a d R. But maybe 1:46:25.760 --> 1:46:29.200 maybe someone flagged that in James Wanda is like, oh shit, um. 1:46:29.760 --> 1:46:34.479 But Nicole Kidman and uh Mea have an exchange where 1:46:34.560 --> 1:46:38.080 Mara says something like and you've been here for twenty 1:46:38.160 --> 1:46:43.320 years and she's like, yes, I've been here for twenty years, 1:46:43.640 --> 1:46:46.360 and then they're like, anyways, aqua man. But it does. 1:46:46.560 --> 1:46:52.080 Technically it does pass. Okay, well, good for the movie. 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:56.840 They also had two and a half other hours to 1:46:56.840 --> 1:46:59.719 to maybe do that, And but that is like, that's 1:47:00.040 --> 1:47:02.120 I think an extension of a problem we've been talking 1:47:02.120 --> 1:47:04.400 about for five years now that the first time I 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:07.120 remember talking about it was in our Star Wars episode 1:47:07.120 --> 1:47:09.400 four episode where it's like, how could this movie pass 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:11.400 the Bechdel test? There's only one woman she's got to 1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:13.439 want to talk to, and it's like there's only two 1:47:13.439 --> 1:47:16.519 women and they only appear in one scene together. Where 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:19.519 else is this going to pass. That's like a structural flaw. 1:47:19.880 --> 1:47:22.720 I mean, yeah, that does speak to how there are 1:47:22.720 --> 1:47:26.120 a lot of characters in this movie and most of 1:47:26.120 --> 1:47:29.120 them are met. We get another like there's a scene 1:47:29.160 --> 1:47:34.439 where Orm kills like the mermaid kingman and then his 1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:37.559 daughter who's like teen daughters now, like the heir to 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:39.800 the throne. So then she shows up in a later 1:47:39.880 --> 1:47:42.120 battle and she's like doing some stuff here and there 1:47:42.120 --> 1:47:45.280 barely I mean blank, and you'll miss her. But other 1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:47.800 than that that, yeah, there really aren't any women. But like, 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:51.400 for example, Willem Dafoe's character easily could have been a 1:47:51.479 --> 1:47:54.320 woman like one of the villains, like other of the 1:47:54.439 --> 1:47:57.720 villains could have been a woman. There are and I'm 1:47:57.720 --> 1:48:00.679 sure that that connects to like the common Book says, well, 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:03.559 but it's like this movie already, this franchise already made 1:48:03.640 --> 1:48:06.879 changes independently of the comic book that improved the source material. 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:09.519 So why not why not keep going with it? What 1:48:09.640 --> 1:48:14.160 if Black Manta's dad would have been Black Manta's mom mother, right, 1:48:14.680 --> 1:48:16.880 because then that really would have been shitty if he 1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:19.479 would have left his mom to die, you know after 1:48:19.560 --> 1:48:23.080 what he did, Like no, fuck you, I mean Black 1:48:23.120 --> 1:48:26.599 Manta could have also been a woman, Like what's what's 1:48:26.680 --> 1:48:29.439 to stop that from happening. But I do like the 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:32.320 idea of it being his mother instead of his father, 1:48:32.439 --> 1:48:36.720 because then that's like Aquaman has like mommy problems, and 1:48:36.760 --> 1:48:39.160 that would like heighten the conflict between the two of 1:48:39.200 --> 1:48:42.040 them if they have this like shared like loss of 1:48:42.160 --> 1:48:47.040 mother and like, ah, yeah, it was right there, it 1:48:47.120 --> 1:48:48.880 was right. That's why you don't let an l a 1:48:49.000 --> 1:48:55.559 p d. Officer write your movie. They're gonna yeah, um, 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:59.320 as far as our nipple scale goes zero to five nipples. 1:49:00.000 --> 1:49:06.599 Analyzing it through an intersexual feminist lens um, I would 1:49:06.600 --> 1:49:11.000 say between Mara and Atlanta, even though they are the 1:49:11.040 --> 1:49:13.599 only two women in the story and they don't really 1:49:13.640 --> 1:49:19.599 interact hardly ever, but as individual characters, like there's interesting 1:49:19.640 --> 1:49:24.880 things happening there, there's more equity between Like Mara, who 1:49:25.040 --> 1:49:27.439 is positioned to be the love interest, but she's also 1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:30.000 more than that. In this movie, she's all that, she's 1:49:30.000 --> 1:49:33.160 doing other stuff, she's fighting, she's solving clues, she has 1:49:33.200 --> 1:49:36.439 the agency to like seek out Aquaman to begin with, 1:49:36.520 --> 1:49:39.439 so you know, she's far more important to the narrative 1:49:39.680 --> 1:49:43.720 than a lot of other like superhero movie female counterparts 1:49:43.720 --> 1:49:46.280 of hers have been in the past, So that's cool. 1:49:46.360 --> 1:49:52.600 The fact that this movie is representation of an indigenous superhero, 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:58.479 a biracial superhero. Uh the kids adults alike have seen 1:49:58.520 --> 1:50:03.800 themselves represented in is like really important, really powerful, very meaningful. 1:50:04.240 --> 1:50:10.000 The relationship between Aquaman and his dad and how there's like, again, 1:50:10.120 --> 1:50:13.000 so many father son relationships are in movies are so 1:50:13.080 --> 1:50:16.640 steeped in like some weird form of toxic masculinity, and 1:50:16.680 --> 1:50:20.000 the fact that that's absent from this relationship I think 1:50:20.120 --> 1:50:23.240 is a very positive thing to see on screen. And 1:50:23.280 --> 1:50:26.920 so yeah, there's a lot of things going for the 1:50:27.000 --> 1:50:31.880 movie that again, when looking at it through the through 1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:36.880 the bectolcast lens, I appreciate it way more. So with 1:50:36.960 --> 1:50:40.280 that in mind, I'll give it like three and a 1:50:40.360 --> 1:50:43.479 half nipples, because there's still some stuff that, you know, 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.280 kind of rubbed me the wrong way. The fact that 1:50:46.320 --> 1:50:50.320 the only black characters are villains, Like, why weren't there 1:50:50.400 --> 1:50:55.200 black Atlanteans who are just existing in that world? Why 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:59.120 aren't there other just like any yeah, any people of 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:03.920 color elsewhere in the story, because it's still a predominantly 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:06.639 white cast. And and then there are the only black 1:51:06.720 --> 1:51:11.600 characters we meet, Like there immediately sidelines until the credits 1:51:11.680 --> 1:51:14.200 of the movie, right, yeah, yeah, and then you've got 1:51:14.240 --> 1:51:17.200 like Randall Park, who seems like a very fun character. 1:51:17.400 --> 1:51:20.960 I was like, so, where's he? Give me more him? 1:51:21.080 --> 1:51:23.160 I'm pretty sure he has a very large role in 1:51:23.200 --> 1:51:27.200 the second movie. I did a little digging, and I 1:51:27.280 --> 1:51:30.479 love Randall Park. Yeah, he's great. So I think there 1:51:30.520 --> 1:51:35.280 could have been more, just diversity overall, but yeah, even so, 1:51:35.400 --> 1:51:40.120 I was three three and a half nipples, and I 1:51:40.200 --> 1:51:46.120 will give one to Jason Momoa. I'll give one to 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:51.320 Nicole Kidman's wig. I'll give one to Always got to 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:54.559 give one to her wig and never to her and 1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:57.599 never to her. I'll give one to Randall Park. And 1:51:57.640 --> 1:52:01.360 I'll give my half nipple to the how do you 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:06.080 say this word? Corinth Corinthian corinthe No, not Corinthian whatever, 1:52:06.120 --> 1:52:13.559 the giant crab monster. H So that gets my that's 1:52:13.640 --> 1:52:16.840 my half nipple. I'll meet you at three and a half. 1:52:16.880 --> 1:52:19.840 That sounds right to me. Um, yeah, I I agree 1:52:19.880 --> 1:52:24.240 with what you're saying. I feel like this movie is 1:52:24.960 --> 1:52:30.360 doing so much for a superhero movie. I absolutely loved 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:33.280 and really appreciated you sharing your connection to it. Ali 1:52:33.400 --> 1:52:37.400 like it is just like I'm so glad this movie exists, 1:52:37.439 --> 1:52:41.000 and I'm so glad that the Yeah, that just that's 1:52:41.000 --> 1:52:44.439 how this world is, and that it I don't know, 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:47.599 like it subverted a lot of my expectations of just 1:52:48.080 --> 1:52:50.799 what I expect from superhero movies in general, but also 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:56.000 just you know, including a biracial character in a meaningful way, 1:52:56.040 --> 1:52:58.800 in a very authentic and thoughtful way that was also 1:52:58.840 --> 1:53:01.559 true to like who the actor himself is, and just 1:53:01.760 --> 1:53:05.920 all of this wonderful thematic stuff and then and then 1:53:06.000 --> 1:53:09.160 I mean in terms of how I mean, and I 1:53:09.200 --> 1:53:12.559 agree that the two female characters that we have are 1:53:12.960 --> 1:53:16.520 wonderful and they have these fully realized stories. They're very motivated, 1:53:16.800 --> 1:53:21.040 they're they're also very white. And I really hope that 1:53:21.080 --> 1:53:24.000 you know, in like like we've discussed already, that there 1:53:24.280 --> 1:53:29.280 is diversity across gender in this franchise as it continues 1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:33.200 to develop, which I want to believe is going to happen. 1:53:33.479 --> 1:53:36.800 Um also know, like body diversity to like there's a 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:39.479 shot where like the two women are standing next to 1:53:39.520 --> 1:53:41.320 each other and it's like, oh, you have the same 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:46.519 exact body type, Well you forgot Nicole Kidman is taller 1:53:46.640 --> 1:53:53.160 than husband. That if mirror was cast by like a big, hulking, 1:53:53.320 --> 1:53:58.760 gorgeous woman like yeah, hell yeah, or that would have 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:01.880 been Acquaman's mom. So like the cole Conman's beautiful a lot. 1:54:01.880 --> 1:54:07.080 If it was right like rich people were gigantic, which 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:12.760 is why he's fucking gigantic, that would make sense to me. Sorry, 1:54:12.800 --> 1:54:15.640 I never have to do Jamie, No, no, I'll go 1:54:15.760 --> 1:54:20.080 three and a half. I am now officially amped to 1:54:20.160 --> 1:54:24.479 see Aquaman two. Who knew James wants directing the new 1:54:24.520 --> 1:54:30.600 one as well? I appreciate James Wan. Okay, three and 1:54:30.640 --> 1:54:32.880 a half nipples. Gotta give one to James Want. I'm 1:54:32.880 --> 1:54:37.480 as big as fan. Also, I'll give one to the 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:42.400 Cthulhu as well. Give one to Jason Momoa. He is fantastic. 1:54:42.800 --> 1:54:47.520 I really love him, and I'll give my last half two. 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:53.280 Randall Park nice Illi, what about you? Yeah, I think 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:56.240 three and a half is fair because you know, obviously 1:54:56.240 --> 1:54:58.840 the movie meant a lot to me for a bunch 1:54:58.840 --> 1:55:02.760 of different emotional reasons. But uh, but yeah, it does 1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:06.160 have a lot of clunkiness in it. The exposition, like 1:55:06.200 --> 1:55:09.480 I said, is all over the place. There's a lot 1:55:09.640 --> 1:55:13.200 of information, a lot of backstory. Um, but all of 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:15.959 it is cool, So I'm a little bit more forgiving, 1:55:16.040 --> 1:55:19.080 But it just could have been done better. Birds of 1:55:19.120 --> 1:55:21.840 Prey kind of does that too. Actually, it's just a 1:55:21.840 --> 1:55:26.400 little slapping, a lot packed into yeah, a lot of characters. 1:55:26.440 --> 1:55:28.200 I feel like it's like when you have that many characters, 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:31.120 you're like, well, someone's going to get lost in the mix. 1:55:31.240 --> 1:55:33.600 Like and yeah, I think it was supposed to be 1:55:33.640 --> 1:55:37.160 two movies and they just kind of like combine them 1:55:37.440 --> 1:55:41.720 and it feels that way. Yeah, But like I said, 1:55:41.760 --> 1:55:43.959 like a lot of the stuff, the stuff that's clumsy 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:48.040 is clumsy, but not terrible. I've definitely seen so much 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:51.760 worse in the d C EU on top of that, Like, 1:55:53.720 --> 1:55:57.720 but the stuff that they did well, they did very 1:55:57.800 --> 1:56:01.760 very well, like surprisingly well. So yeah, i'll give it 1:56:01.800 --> 1:56:04.000 three and a half. Also, I'll give one of these 1:56:04.120 --> 1:56:08.200 nips to Jason Momoa. I'd like to give him too, 1:56:08.280 --> 1:56:11.680 but he can just have one. I'll give another one 1:56:11.680 --> 1:56:17.400 to his dad because Mandalorian. I'm going to give the 1:56:17.520 --> 1:56:22.040 third one to Black Manta just because, yeah, Yama is 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:25.920 so hot and I know that's not what it's important 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:28.480 right now, but I just had to say that he's 1:56:28.520 --> 1:56:30.680 hot but bad. He was also like I know that 1:56:31.320 --> 1:56:33.960 there's a problematic element obviously with the black guy be 1:56:34.080 --> 1:56:36.640 and the villain, but man, at least he was a 1:56:36.680 --> 1:56:39.840 good villain, which wouldn't have been an issue again if 1:56:39.880 --> 1:56:44.200 there were other black characters, right, but because he's he 1:56:44.320 --> 1:56:46.600 and his dad were the only ones in his dad dies, 1:56:46.680 --> 1:56:49.920 It's like, okay, well that's pretty glaring anyway, right of course. 1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:53.320 But then uh, yeah, my half, I guess we'll go 1:56:53.440 --> 1:56:58.640 to Nicole kidman, just just a cool kidsman. Just get 1:56:58.680 --> 1:57:01.520 that I have to give the full ones to the 1:57:01.640 --> 1:57:04.560 people of color and the indigenous folks, and you can 1:57:04.600 --> 1:57:08.680 just have a half just half. Well, Alie, thank you 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:11.760 so much for coming back and joining us in this 1:57:11.800 --> 1:57:16.000 wonderful discussion and for sharing your your connection with this movie. 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:18.400 It's like really moving and I was like tearing up 1:57:18.840 --> 1:57:23.680 and yeah, me too, thank you for putting up with 1:57:23.720 --> 1:57:26.680 me during that. Oh my god, oh my god, any 1:57:26.720 --> 1:57:30.280 please come back anytime, like truly, I will come back 1:57:30.320 --> 1:57:34.080 for Avatar properly. I called this. Nobody else gets to 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:37.800 do it but me. You've got Avatar. Does give me 1:57:37.840 --> 1:57:39.840 a call and be like all right, we're doing this, 1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:43.560 and I will be like, yes, we are my time. 1:57:43.640 --> 1:57:46.280 Wait when does the next When does Avatar to come out? 1:57:46.400 --> 1:57:49.720 Twenty years from now? Probably? Yeah, like not for another 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:51.960 year and a half. We can't wait. It can't it 1:57:52.000 --> 1:57:54.480 can't wait. It can't wait. An it's never coming out? 1:57:55.760 --> 1:57:59.480 Oh God. But yeah, I would love to come back 1:57:59.560 --> 1:58:04.160 and thank for inviting me again. I love talking about movies, yes, 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:07.240 and we love having you. Where can people you know 1:58:07.360 --> 1:58:10.280 check out your stuff follow you online? Tell us about 1:58:10.280 --> 1:58:12.400 the A LA tests. We've talked about it before, but 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:15.440 tell our listeners who might not be familiar, what the 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:18.720 LA test is. Okay, So the A LA tests started 1:58:18.760 --> 1:58:23.200 off on Tumbler. It's the dash A LA dash test 1:58:23.280 --> 1:58:26.160 dot tumbler dot com. And it was when I was 1:58:26.200 --> 1:58:30.800 in Finland and came up with a Bechdel Test inspired 1:58:31.480 --> 1:58:36.360 litmus test I suppose for a Native and Indigenous women, 1:58:36.760 --> 1:58:40.800 where I noticed that when they appear movies, they're usually 1:58:41.800 --> 1:58:45.440 not a main character or a white guy's girlfriend, or 1:58:45.440 --> 1:58:48.480 they get murdered or they get sexually assaulted and every 1:58:48.560 --> 1:58:51.200 single thing I've seen, so I'm like, okay, let's look 1:58:51.240 --> 1:58:56.320 for characters who are the main character so an Indigenous 1:58:56.520 --> 1:59:00.280 woman who is a main character, who is not the 1:59:00.320 --> 1:59:03.960 love interest to a white guy and doesn't get sexually 1:59:03.960 --> 1:59:08.320 assaulted or killed at any point in the story. And 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:11.800 it took off, Like I don't know, people just really 1:59:12.400 --> 1:59:15.320 responded really well to this, which I was kind of 1:59:15.320 --> 1:59:19.360 surprised by. But I guess when you have like hard evidence, 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:21.560 you know, where it's all like, no, I don't think 1:59:21.560 --> 1:59:25.320 I'm making this up by seeing this pattern, and it's 1:59:25.320 --> 1:59:29.640 a very disturbing pattern that keeps happening, and people are like, yeah, 1:59:29.760 --> 1:59:32.600 actually that is kind of sucked up. You know, why 1:59:32.640 --> 1:59:36.280 aren't more characters passing the ALA test? Yeah, And it 1:59:36.320 --> 1:59:38.080 was kind of like I mean, it was I believe, 1:59:38.120 --> 1:59:39.840 like the first of its kind as far as like 1:59:39.960 --> 1:59:45.600 an like a test examining representation of Indigenous women in media, 1:59:45.800 --> 1:59:47.320 and like when you have something like that that's like 1:59:47.360 --> 1:59:52.600 also like easily quantifiable or like qualifiable, Like, yeah, I 1:59:52.960 --> 1:59:55.280 I'm not surprised that it took off, because it's like 1:59:56.000 --> 1:59:58.760 it's a great way to like open up that conversation 1:59:58.840 --> 2:00:03.760 about representation of Indigenous characters and women in media. And 2:00:03.800 --> 2:00:06.160 that's all I really wanted it to do. You know. 2:00:06.200 --> 2:00:08.920 It was just like start the conversation and then hopefully 2:00:08.920 --> 2:00:13.200 it leads to better movies and better characters, which I 2:00:13.600 --> 2:00:16.200 hope it has. Like people have been talking about it 2:00:16.200 --> 2:00:18.480 a lot, I think, I mean, it seems like it has. 2:00:18.560 --> 2:00:21.640 I like, I don't know it already has like such 2:00:21.680 --> 2:00:26.880 a cool, impactful legacy. The Gina Davis Institute called it out, 2:00:27.000 --> 2:00:32.560 So congratulations, that was amazing. She got me into the 2:00:32.560 --> 2:00:38.600 goddamn league. You're part of the Justice League now, yeah, 2:00:38.640 --> 2:00:42.080 but yeah, and then I did another test. I think 2:00:42.120 --> 2:00:44.000 I was talking about this when we were talking about 2:00:44.200 --> 2:00:47.000 movie talks with Caitlin. Yes, yes, yes, where it was 2:00:47.040 --> 2:00:50.040 does the Indian live? Which is also like does the 2:00:50.120 --> 2:00:53.040 Native American characters show up in the movie? And does 2:00:53.120 --> 2:00:57.160 he die? 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