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Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: you don't tell me how to captain. I don't tell

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie. Yeah, like like that one

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Speaker 1: Like that would have been better that just I think

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Speaker 1: is imprinted on my mind for you know. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. They're not all hits right at the top.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta just get into it and it takes

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Durante,

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Speaker 1: and this is our show in which we examine movies

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Speaker 1: through an inter sectional feminist lens, using the Bechtel test

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Speaker 1: just very much as a jumping off point. But what

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Speaker 1: is it, Jamie, Oh, the Bechtel test or the movie.

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Speaker 1: Aquaman today, movie from James one one of my faves.

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Speaker 1: I love watching interviews with James Wan. And this isn't

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Speaker 1: passing the Bechtel test. And here's why. The Bechtels test

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Speaker 1: is a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel,

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Speaker 1: remember her from our episode on Frozen two. It's Ali Nady. Hi,

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back. Thank you for invited me back.

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Speaker 1: like main I mean, I'm hoping that that mid credit

424
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: scene sets him up as like the character in the

425
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: second movie. I hope. I hope so too. Yeah, um,

426
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break right here and then we

427
00:25:53,119 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: will come right back and we're back. So meanwhile, underwater

428
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: in Atlantis, there are several different kingdoms. King Orm that's

429
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson, is the king of one of them. He

430
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: is Aquaman's half brother. Because Queen Atlanta is their mother,

431
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: they obviously have different fathers. His right hand man is Volco. Okay,

432
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: Willem Dafoe, which he keeps calling him his vizier, which

433
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: I've only heard that word applied to jaffar. Same, So

434
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, so William Dafoe is the

435
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: Jaffar of this palace, except a good guy and not

436
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: a villain. He's nice Jaffar. Also, it didn't occur to

437
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: me to like halfway through the movie that Willem Dafoe

438
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: is I feel like one of the few people who's

439
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: in the m c U and the d C you

440
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: as like super different characters. He's a villain in the

441
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: m c U. It's also weird to see William Dafoe

442
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: not as a villain. Yeah, so that's quite something. Yeah.

443
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: I think the only time he played like a hero

444
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: or otherwise protagonist was in Platoon. Oh sure, and let's

445
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: not forget the Last Temptation of Christ or whatever the

446
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: Jesus later really Jesus famously a hero. Yeah there, And

447
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: this is another I mean, I guess William Dafoe doesn't

448
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: get near the lighthouse in this movie, but it's another

449
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: movie with the lighthouse that he's in. Wow. Wow, good point, Jamie,

450
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. That's why they paid me the

451
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: big blocks. Um. So, King Orm is trying to unite

452
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: at least four of the seven kingdoms so that he

453
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: can become Ocean Master and legally declare war against the

454
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: surface dwellers at which he wants to do because he

455
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: thinks humans are going to be the demise of Atlantis

456
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: and everyone living in Wonder, which we are because we

457
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: are destroying our oceans. Um, I don't even think that's preachy,

458
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: Like you know how in like fern Gully and stuff

459
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: like that, Like the environmentalist issue kind of feels a

460
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: little too on the nose. It's like, I mean that's

461
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: kind of valid. Man, We are destroying the ocean, and

462
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: the ocean is massive and vast, and we're sucking it

463
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: all up. So yeah, that's another reason I'm really psyched

464
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: on the Randall Park character because it seems like he's

465
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna like he's like an environmentalist, Like he's going to

466
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: bring all of that into the next movie as well. Yeah.

467
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like Patrick Wilson obviously, big old evil villain

468
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: like spouting some of the nastiest rhetoric you could imagine

469
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: in this movie. But humans are destroying the ocean. I mean,

470
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: but then Nicole Kidman kind of shows up the end

471
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, they're not. It's like, that's we

472
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: are who we are. I do like when a villain

473
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: is motivated in such a way that is compelling or

474
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: that like the odd it's gonna understand where they're coming from,

475
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: even if we don't agree with like the execution of

476
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: their plan or whatever it is, but like would be

477
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: deeply fun character. But yeah, we're like, yeah, you're not wrong.

478
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Humans are destroying all of the environment. Okay, we're back

479
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: on land. This Atlantean woman, Mara played by Amber Heard,

480
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: she comes to the surface to relay all of this

481
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: information to Aquaman and she's like, we need your help.

482
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: We need to stop Orm again. Nala basically being like,

483
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: you gotta come and be our king because he is

484
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: the rightful heir to the throne because he's the firstborn

485
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: son of Atlanta. And that's the moment you realize, Oh,

486
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: Jason Momoa, even though he's like six years younger than

487
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson, is supposed to be older than Orm's character.

488
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: He's taller and that equals older. And then also Nicole

489
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Kiman is supposed to be playing Patrick Wilson's mother, she's

490
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: like seven years older because don't think too hard about it,

491
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: and she's only twelve years older than Jason Momoa. And yeah,

492
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you did not cast an age appropriate

493
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: actor to play their mother. Well, I don't know what

494
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of like packed that Patrick Wilson and James Wan have,

495
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: but Patrick Wilson has to be in all of his

496
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: movies or except for Malignant, But Patrick Wilson isn't in

497
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: like literally all of James Want's movies. So that's I

498
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: think why he's here. Something interesting that, you know, upon

499
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: watching Aquaman uh several times was um or you know, like,

500
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a good villain, but the

501
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: interesting thing about him is that there's room for like

502
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: complexity because you know, he benefits from a society and

503
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: a system that gives him power, of course, and it's

504
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: interesting that he doesn't hate his dad for killing his mother.

505
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's never a moment where it's like Atlantis

506
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: was sucking wrong for what they did to my mom.

507
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: This is bullshit because it's easier to blame it on Aquaman,

508
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: like if it wasn't for you, and it wasn't for

509
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: your dad, my mom would still be alive, and this

510
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: is your fault, which goes into like the racial implications too,

511
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: because he's totally an ocean colonizer, like an ocean supremacist,

512
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: like he is started by the end of the movie,

513
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: he's like spouting pure blood like he's He's like, they

514
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: go all the way with that characters. Yeah politics, Yeah,

515
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: I noticed that as well, and like contrasting that with

516
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: how Aquaman feels of like I sort of assumed just

517
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: based on having seen superhero movies. I was like, Okay,

518
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Aquaman is going to blame himself for what happened to

519
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: his mother, and then that's the journey of like it

520
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: wasn't all my fault, but it's like it's more detailed

521
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: than that. And I really liked that scene with Aquaman, mean,

522
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: with will of Dafoe and he's saying like the opposite

523
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: of what Orma is saying. He's like he's furious at

524
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: the system that allowed that to happen to his mother,

525
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: and I just feel like, yeah, it speaks to like

526
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: how different their environments were and how different their upbringings were,

527
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: where like Patrick Wilson was raised by a fascist and

528
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, Aquaman was raised by a very kind lighthouse keeper,

529
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: and it makes a difference. Patrick Wilson is white, and

530
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing, Like, um, with Aquaman, there's

531
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: never like a line or anything in the movie where

532
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, he'd be like, well, you think you're special.

533
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: White people treat me like shit all the time on land.

534
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: You guys aren't any different. Blah blah blah, you know

535
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's you know, there's never a

536
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: line of dialogue like that. But for the biracial people

537
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: in the room watching this, it's like, oh, yeah, of

538
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: course he would think that way, you know. And of

539
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: course Aquaman is going to be thinking, you know, oh,

540
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: it's the fucking system. You know, it's Atlantis and these

541
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: racist as white mermaids that killed my mom for loving

542
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: a brown man like human. But the human in this

543
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: specific example is indigenous. And the other guys like, no,

544
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: it's you. So that's interesting, Like it's not subtle. I

545
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that it was subtle. I think it's just

546
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: apparent and just kind of treated like duh, if you

547
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: get it, you get it. Yeah, the metaphor is is

548
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: pretty clear. That's another thing. One more thing. Sorry, but like, um,

549
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: It was interesting to me because as awesome as like

550
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Polynesian Mermaids would totally be, I like that the Atlanteans

551
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: are white, I guess, and the humans are indigenous, like

552
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: at least in this story, because it could have been

553
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: so easy, like because I've seen this so many other

554
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: times where it's flipped where it's like, oh, well, I'm

555
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: the outcast and I'm the allusion and the allegory for racism,

556
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: even though I'm Harry Potter and super white, or I'm

557
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Sabrina Spellman and I'm white and they're calling me half breed.

558
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, no, you're not the allusion

559
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: to racism. It's like the racism is present, but it's

560
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of taken the backseat to species. I guess I

561
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: didn't connected that, but yeah, it's like that it's not

562
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: the like one to one mothering narrative that we've seen

563
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: a ton of times, and I think that gives it

564
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: a level of sincerity too, as far as like the allegory,

565
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: because it could have been, you know, takeaway Atlantis and everything.

566
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: It could have been another story about racism and mixed

567
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: ethnicity and all this other stuff. But you know, it's

568
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: like Okay, so it's gonna be about this with the

569
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: Mermaid politics, who just so happens to have a biracial

570
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Polynesian indigenous actor, And I'm like, okay, that's better a

571
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: little bit more sincere, Yeah, I appreciate that. Um. Okay,

572
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: So let's see. Mara has shown up and she's like, yeah, Aquaman,

573
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: you gotta come be King, you gotta stop orm Um.

574
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: And she also tells him about this sacred trident that

575
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: had once belonged to King at Land that if he

576
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: can find he can use it to dethrone arm and

577
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: he's like, no, that trident's just a myth. Then orm

578
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: causes this huge tidal wave that destroys this coastal town

579
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: and nearly kills Aquaman's dad. It sends a lot of

580
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: trash that had been dumped in the ocean back onto

581
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: Land as sort of like a warning from orm. So

582
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: this causes Aquaman to agree to accompany Mera and help

583
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: her stop arm. So they go to Atlantis and meet

584
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: up with Volco, who, by the way, we learned through

585
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: flashbacks that throughout Arthur's childhood, Vocal has been training him

586
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: basically how to be Aquaman, like be this magnificent fighter

587
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: and teaching him how like you know, nice Jaffar, nice Jafar.

588
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: You you can breathe underwater, you can see underwater, you

589
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: can talk underwater, all this stuff. So he's been like

590
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: training Aquaman his whole life. It is so fun to

591
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: see scenes of Willem Dafoe being so nice, Like it's

592
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: just like wow, where that like scene where they jump

593
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: off the cliff and he's like, you was see something cool?

594
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Of like this vibe is unfamiliar to me. This is nice,

595
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: so good. I love that scene. One of my favorite

596
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: shots in the movie is when they're sitting on like

597
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: the edge of like that cliff under the water and

598
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: just watching all the mantas like swim by. Yeah. Like

599
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: this movie is so gorgeous in theaters, Like just seeing

600
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: it on a big screen was just a treat. Another thing.

601
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: But what's his name? Volco? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So how

602
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: do I tie this in? Let's um, So, once upon

603
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: a time in the United States, it was illegal for

604
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Native Americans to practice our religion, our culture, you know,

605
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: residential schools and just government policy like you could not

606
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: be Native and if you did have anything as far

607
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: as like a rattle a drum, sweet grass stage, you know,

608
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: anything like that. If you were caught practicing and praying,

609
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, you could go to jail for it. You

610
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: could be imprisoned for it. So this part of the movie,

611
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: again it's subtle, but you know, when you're Native and

612
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: you're watching it, you know, it's kind of clicks. It's

613
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: like he's learning about his culture in secret because they

614
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: don't want him to know about how to be Atlantean.

615
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: It's like, you're a human and we don't want you

616
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: here anyway. But it's like learning about that element of

617
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: who you are when you're disconnected from it, and learning

618
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: about the history and the customs and how to fight

619
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: and how to use your abilities. I mean, in this movie,

620
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: it's talking to fish and swimming and finding out who

621
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: you are. But still it's like finding out this wonderful

622
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: part of your family and your history and the culture

623
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: that you belong to. And there's just a small observation.

624
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I just really I really like that totally layers this

625
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: movie's I was like, let's we start talking to Ali.

626
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to be fully like this is the greatest

627
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: movie ever made, you know what, much like the Ocean,

628
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: this movie is deep it can be, and sometimes it's shallow, shallow,

629
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: just like the ocean. Okay, so let's see so Volco.

630
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: They meet up with Volco and then he has a

631
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: clue about the final resting place of this sacred trident.

632
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: But before they can do anything about it, Aquaman is

633
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: captured and brought to Orm, who Aquaman then challenge is

634
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: to a duel, and the terms are that if Aquaman wins,

635
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Orm will stop the war. If Orm wins, he's like, Aquaman,

636
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: you're over. So I guess he's gonna kill I'm not

637
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: sure exactly what fusing terms, which quickly becomes clear that

638
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: they really should have hashed out what the terms were well,

639
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: because because he's like, oh, you know, the war will

640
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: be over, and he's like, but if I win, you're over,

641
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: which is funny, so yeah, or this evil but sometimes

642
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: he's such a petty little asshole that it's almost like

643
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: it's the same like brain scratch that when you see

644
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: a succession character acting out where you're like, you're being

645
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: so silly right now. When he screams like I am

646
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: ocean Master, You're like, okay, are you You're not giving

647
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: me ocean master in that wig? I don't think so oh,

648
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: I love it. Right Here we get another quick flashback

649
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: where Vocal is training teenage Aquaman, and this is also

650
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: when Vocal reveals that his mother had died long ago

651
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: and that she was sacrificed by King or VA's, who

652
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: had gotten very jealous when he found out that she

653
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: had had another son with a human man. Okay, so

654
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel just because of that detail, you know, that

655
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: he found out that she had a child with another person,

656
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: and that was enough, not even another person, but like human,

657
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: that was enough to execute her. And I mean, just

658
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: judging from the fact that she fled this arranged marriage

659
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: and spent years away, you know, out of the sea

660
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: and with this person, and that they came after her,

661
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, um, I think it's kind of safe to

662
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: assume that or may or may not have been conceived

663
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: of rape. I think that's fair to assume that that

664
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: is definitely yeah, or at least like coerced into. Like

665
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: obviously she was forced to marry this person. But you know,

666
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: Mira's being in this arranged marriage as well, but she's

667
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: kind of you know, like, oh well whatever, you don't

668
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: have to love someone to marry them. It's a political thing.

669
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: But this very clearly was not the case with Atlanta,

670
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm glad that they just kind of leave

671
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: that up in the air, you know where it's like, yeah,

672
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: this is possible. It doesn't need to be directly harped

673
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: on addressed and yeah, but it's it. I mean, that

674
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: is like unfortunately, yeah, very very conceivably true. And I

675
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: thought it was, I mean, just another I mean, in

676
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: this movie, it is interesting. Is written by two men,

677
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: one of whom is a former cop, so you know, uh,

678
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: former l ap D police detect of getting worse really amazing, cool,

679
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: cool and great. So I don't want to like repeatedly,

680
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm like someone else in the room came up with

681
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: this idea, because I you won't see me handing it

682
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: to an l apt officer. But I did like with

683
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Atlanta and Mira, two characters who are in who are

684
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: at different points in time, in virtually the same situation,

685
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: but dealing with it differently, And that was again just

686
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: more than I expected from a superhero movie with a

687
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: gigantic budget. I feel like, if you have to with

688
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: the you know, they're basically the same person, and you know,

689
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Aquaman is like, wow, Mommy's girlfriend now. Life is wild,

690
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: you know. But but Mira and Atlanta, in spite of

691
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: how similar their predicament was, they think of the situation

692
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: and approach the situation very differently because they're different people.

693
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: And I hate that. I didn't expect the movie to

694
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: treat them as if they were different people, because I

695
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: feel like we've seen Mommy's girlfriend now so many times.

696
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: But I appreciated that at least they did that. Yeah,

697
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: And I think it's because, like Mara and Orm have

698
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: this conversation, it's like very brief where she's like, do

699
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: you think your mother would want to see her two

700
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: children kill each other? And it sounds like they grew

701
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: up together, like she must have known Atlanta when she

702
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: was younger, and she must have known Orm when she

703
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: was younger, And that's probably why she's a little bit

704
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: more chill about like, Okay, if I got to marry

705
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: my best friend, whatever, but you're wrong to marry this

706
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: fucking dork from school who at least she is it her. Okay,

707
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: So this big battle between Aquaman and Orm is about

708
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: to happen in like the Ring of Fire or whatever thing.

709
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: It's so big. It's this fight is so large So

710
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: they have this battle where kind of neither of them

711
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: end up winning because Orm is sort of incapacitated in

712
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: some way. And I think it's because of me to

713
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: understand that Mara uses her like water manipulation powers to

714
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: sort of like whatever, fuck him up a little bit,

715
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: and then it allows her and Aquaman to escape. Is

716
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: that what happens? Something like that? It's all I remember

717
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: was just the scoreboard where it's like, look at how

718
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: awesome Orm is and then look at the stupid drunk

719
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: native man who wants to fight him. Right, So I

720
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: feel like Mara is like we can talk about this

721
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: later too, But I feel like Mara is playing her

722
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: cards really well, where she's like effectively convincing Orm that

723
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: she's like his ally and yeah, like this freaking Aquaman

724
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: guy is such an imbecile or something like that. And

725
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: then she's really just like doing this to get away

726
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: from Orm because she realizes like what a scary tyrant

727
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, anyway, so this fight happens, Mara and

728
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: Aquaman escape, and then they head to the Sahara Desert

729
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: to follow this clue that will lead them to the

730
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: Lost Trident. As they enter the Sahara it just blasts

731
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: the worst cover of Total's Africa ever by people, and

732
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: it comes out of pitou is saying, oh my god,

733
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: I like blacked that out already somehow, that there's a

734
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: pit Bull song in this movie. It comes out of nowhere.

735
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Because overall, like the soundtrack of the movie is pretty cool.

736
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like Tron Legacy or something. You know,

737
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 1: it's pitful, except for the end credits song where there's

738
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: a song where it's just like everything happens movies. I

739
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: also like that there. Yeah, this whole section of the movie.

740
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I was like, this is like the not obviously the

741
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: same because they were all over the world, but I

742
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: was like, this is like the National Treasure section of

743
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: the movie where they're like collecting different things and they're like,

744
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: we need this, we need this, and that leads to

745
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: another clue, and that clue at least doing another clue. Yeah,

746
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: the scene where Jason Momoa is like and this statue

747
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: means this, this statue means that. I was like, whoa,

748
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: he's doing the He's doing the Benjamin Franklin cage thing. Yeah,

749
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: It's amazing how Aquaman becomes National Treasurer for like thirty

750
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: minutes as I was like, all right, sure. So they

751
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: go to the Sahara Desert. They find this like secret

752
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: stand chamber where they're able to play King Atlant's ancient message,

753
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: which then leads them to Italy. I think they're in

754
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Italy somewhere that region, because there's like a Pinocchio joke

755
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: that is planted and paid off when they go to Italy.

756
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: For some reason, You're like, what's happening? Hilarious. I really

757
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: like that scene though in Sicily, just because earlier when

758
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: she takes Aquaman to Atlantis for the first time, and

759
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: I think I read in an interview where James wa

760
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: was talking about this how he wanted the audience to

761
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: like experience Atlantis the way Arthur does, you know, for

762
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: the very first time, and just the wonder and the

763
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: amazement of it when he's flying through and he's seeing

764
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: this metropolis under the ocean and all of this amazing,

765
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: beautiful things, you know, So that scene is amazing. And

766
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: then when he and Mirror are walking around the desert

767
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: and she's talking about people destroy our oceans, you don't

768
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: bow your garbage into our seas and blah blah blah,

769
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: and this is the worst place ever, and he's like, yeah,

770
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: but we've got you know, big mountains and beautiful forests

771
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: and big lakes. You know, I mean, like we've got

772
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: some stupid people running the place, but you know, like

773
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: the land is beautiful too, And she doesn't really like

774
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: pay that any attention until she's in Sicily and then

775
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: we see her, you know, experiencing Sicily for the first

776
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: time and seeing all the flowers and the fruits and

777
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: the people and that little girl at the fountain, and

778
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: she's just it was so good, unless she starts eating

779
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: roses and then she's like yum yum, Like this is strange.

780
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: It was good. I like that, but I don't know.

781
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: The movie has scenes that works so so well, and

782
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: it almost feels like a different movie because it's like

783
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: when it's excellent, it's excellent, and then when it's really

784
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: really clumsy, it's it's very clumsy all over the place. Yeah. Yeah,

785
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: so they're they're following this next clue, but then Black

786
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: Manta shows up, who has been absent for a while,

787
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: who has been absent for a while, but who has

788
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: also established this alliance with Orm, and so Orm is

789
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: like kind of making Manta do some of his bidding

790
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: and trying to get him to kill Aquaman Um. So

791
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: he shows up and attacks Aquaman and Mara. There's a

792
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: big fight sequence there. They eventually get away and head

793
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: towards the location of the trident, which is in this

794
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: kind of like underwater oasis cave place where surprise, guess

795
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: who's there, Queen Atlanta. He's going to cry again very soon.

796
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. I did not see

797
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: a coming. I thought, yeah, yeah, the audience and Aquaman

798
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: has everyone basically, everyone has been led to believe that

799
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: she died because she was sacrificed to the trenches, but

800
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: she managed to survive, and she's been like hiding and

801
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: living in you know, seclusion this whole time. So she

802
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: and Aquaman reunite. They have a nice tender moment, and

803
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: then Aquaman goes and gets the trident, which he's able

804
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: to do because he is the one true king. He

805
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: gives this whole kind of speech about how he's he

806
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: didn't come here because he thinks he's worthy. He's he

807
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: came here because like this is the only choice he

808
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: has to like save humanity basically, because he's also talking

809
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: to this giant fish creature who sounds like flotsam and

810
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: jetsam from The Little Mermaid whatever that was. I loved

811
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: that big scary fish. I was like, I watched that

812
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: scene twice because I was like, Oh, it's just this

813
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: this mean fish and that has like a really hard grip,

814
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: like and he was like, You're never gonna get this

815
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: trident from me. And then Aquaman is like, well if

816
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: I did, and he's like, oh, you can hear me.

817
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: And Aquaman is like yes, and he's like all right,

818
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: see if you can get it, and just like totally

819
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: neutralized threat in the space of like one kind of cute.

820
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: Jason Momoa's performance in that scene also was like I

821
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: just I just Jason Momo is so fun Like his

822
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: delivery in that scene where I don't know if maybe

823
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: maybe it was a choice, maybe he just like there

824
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: was scratch audio and he wasn't hearing the voice he

825
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: was responding to, but the scary flots of jets and fishes, Wait,

826
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: you can hear me, and yes, I can hear you,

827
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: and I can understand you. And it was just like, oh,

828
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: it's just so funny. I loved that scene. There are

829
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: two wonderful lines in the scene it's when Arthur's talking

830
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: to uh, his mom. He's saying, you know, he still

831
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: walks at the end of the dock every morning waiting

832
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: for you, which you know, ugly cry. But then um,

833
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: she says something. She's like, you need to be more

834
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: than just a king or whatever. And he's like, what

835
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: could be greater than a king? And she says a hero?

836
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, that was the point where

837
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the indigenous representation that I really

838
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: just want for like little kids, you know what i mean, like,

839
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, just a hero. You know, like I wonder

840
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: if that is how like because I used to work

841
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: at a gym for a little bit and you know,

842
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: would work with little kids, so one of the bonding

843
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: experiences between me and these kids would be superhero movies.

844
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: And just how much my black students loved Black Panther

845
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: so much, you know, like that was their hero. And

846
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: it's like Aquaman. When she said that line, I'm like,

847
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: this is what more than ever, I feel like the

848
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: little kids in the audience, you know, the little biracial kids,

849
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: the Native kids, the Hawaiian kids, you know, like they

850
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: don't need a king, they need a hero. And they

851
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: need someone who's gonna do these incredible things and who

852
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: look like them and are special and are you know, extraordinary.

853
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: And then when he's talking to the scary Cathulhu Monster

854
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: and she's telling them, you know you're not worthy and

855
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, what makes you think that you're worthy?

856
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: And he just straight up tells her He's like, I came.

857
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: Let me read it, says I came to save my

858
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: home and the people that I love, the Trident is

859
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: their only hope. If that's not good enough, often, screw you.

860
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love our King, Batman, who Batman? Who?

861
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman? Who? Right? Which is like, again, such an

862
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: interesting deviation from so many superhero movies or so many

863
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: like I guess um like chosen one narratives where it's

864
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: like you have to prove your worth and you have

865
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: to like do the thing that proves like but in

866
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: a way that feels different from because he proves his

867
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: worth by like acknowledging that He's like, no, I'm not

868
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: any more worthy than anybody else. I'm just here in

869
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: this time of need, and I'm like I need to

870
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: take action against this TYRNT and like that's you know,

871
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: if that makes me worthy, then so be it, and

872
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: that is what ends up happening. But like I feel

873
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: like so many other chosen one narratives or I don't know,

874
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: it's just I really liked that about this where it's

875
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: just like he's like, no, I like, I'm not special.

876
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: I just like am here to help. And then it's

877
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: like cool, that makes you worthy. Hell yeah, but that

878
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: means you are special, like special. I was like, Jason,

879
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: don't be so humbul you obviously are going to get

880
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: the trident that it is. The other thing is like legit.

881
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: He he like saying, you know, like I know I'm

882
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: not worthy. I know I probably can't be king. I

883
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: know I'm probably not the best choice. I'm like, motherfucker,

884
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: You're fighting with Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman in

885
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: the previous movie, and you haven't mentioned that once, Like bro,

886
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: I would have thrown that in warm space. You're welcome,

887
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Mr Humble. I always forget that because I just yea,

888
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: I don't have the correct brain for it. I'm like, oh, yeah,

889
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: he knows Batman, Superman, Yeah, those are his past. Yeah.

890
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see Justice League, not the theatrical cut, nor

891
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: the Snyder cut, So I always forget that. So Aquaman

892
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: has already been introduced as a character into this cinematic

893
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: universe a year prior to this, I believe, because Justice

894
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: League was released theatrically in twenty seventeen, So he's already

895
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: existed in this universe as this character fighting alongside Yeah,

896
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: and I think chronologically that all happens before the events

897
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: of this teen Aquaman movie takes place too. Yeah, he's

898
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: already done all this like superhero ship and then now

899
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: he's like saving the world on his own. Uh. Yeah,

900
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: I always forget that because I skipped Justice Leave. It's

901
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure that they sort of want you to forget that.

902
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: They don't want you to like hyper fixated on all

903
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: the cool ship because it kind of undercuts the story.

904
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't know the script did make

905
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: me forget. I just sort of assumed. I was like, well,

906
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: I guess he just hasn't met them yet, because like

907
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: you're saying, Ali, I'm like, I wouldn't shut up about it,

908
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I was like, listen, orm you wouldn't have

909
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: an ocean if I hadn't saved the planet from Steppin Wolf.

910
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: So you're welcome Ocean Master. Yeah, Mr Ocean Master, how

911
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: do you like that? That Ocean Master line read really

912
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: killed me? It's like, God, how do you say that

913
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: with a straight face? Very funny? Wild? Okay, So there's

914
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: just a little bit of the story left. Uh, so

915
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: you know Aquaman getting the trident. Meanwhile, orm is launching

916
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: an attack against some of the other sea kingdoms because

917
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to like gain control over them

918
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: so that he can launch this attack against the surface.

919
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: That whole thing. I was like totally understand what he's

920
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: trying to do. But then Aquaman shows up with the

921
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: trident to stop arm. There's another big battle. Aquaman and

922
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: may kiss at some point, um because she does have

923
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: to be his girlfriend. Not only like it comes out

924
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: of nowhere, but it's like, you know, it's Jason Momoa

925
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: and she could die in the next scene, so fucking

926
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: get him. But also I wonder if that's what kissing

927
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: Jason Momoa is like, where you just like the chaos

928
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: just kind of stops that there's like explosions and it's

929
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: just time stops. I mean, like sucking Lisa Bone, I

930
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: know it's like that every day. Could she come out

931
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: and confirm. Is that what it's like the kiss Aquaman? Yeah,

932
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: please let us know, Lisa. I also had that thought

933
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, if I kissed Jason Mamoa,

934
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: I probably would also feel like a whale just took

935
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: me away to some a second location afterwards, because a

936
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: whale just shows up and she's like, I gotta go,

937
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: and like later, I hope that that is the Jason

938
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Mamma experience, that that a free Willie shows up and

939
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: it just takes you where you need to go. Afterwards,

940
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: so they're having the big battle, Aquaman eventually wins against Orm.

941
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: Atlanta shows up and she's like my two sons, and

942
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: then Aquaman shows Orm mercy. Orm is taken away as prisoner,

943
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: and then the people of Atlantis accept Aquaman as their

944
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: king a k a. King Arthur, which is also funny

945
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: it it makes you think. And then the movie ends

946
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: with Aquaman's mother and father reuniting on the dock and

947
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: having a beautiful kiss, and then we get some voice

948
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: over from Aquaman saying that their love that probably never

949
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: should have had, like you know, it wasn't supposed to happen, Uh,

950
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: it did happen and end up saving the world the end,

951
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: you cry, cry, cry, cry, cry, Cry cries so much.

952
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we will come

953
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: right back to cry and discuss, and we're back where

954
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: would we like to begin? I mean, there's not a

955
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: ton ton ton of um. There are a few context

956
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: things that we should touch on before jumping back into

957
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: the story maybe, but the things that stuck out to

958
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: me was I did I was like God. The screenplay

959
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: ultimately was co written by a top uh so will

960
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: be what the fuck um co written with David Leslie

961
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: Johnson McGoldrick, which is a lot of names in a row.

962
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: We've also got a story by credit from Jeff john Yeah,

963
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: question Mark. Oh, I just I mean, most of this

964
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: crew seems to be like with the kind of the

965
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: outlier of Will bel I don't really know why why

966
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: he's here, and I kind of wish he wasn't. But um,

967
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: it seems like James One was allowed to kind of

968
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: bring his like team of people he usually collaborates with

969
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: to this movie, which is cool because it looks like

970
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: a James One movie and not like they just threw

971
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: all these DC who house people at him and he

972
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: didn't get to make the movie. He wanted that said

973
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: a lot of men, really male, heavy production, like top

974
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: level production stuff. Is all all guys, And are they

975
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: I know James one isn't white, but are the other writers?

976
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: Are they people of color? Are they? Uh? Let me

977
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: double check, but I do not believe. So, yeah, James

978
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Won is Chinese Australian. Will Beal is a white cop. Uh. Yeah,

979
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: I was doing it. I was doing a quick Google

980
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: of everyone, and it is it is mostly white guys

981
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: at the top of this project. That's a little I

982
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: don't know, that's a little surprising, especially with all the

983
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: nuance that this film kind of has with the racism.

984
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: I know that like just tangentially that like these movies

985
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: are like there's writer's rooms that take place around these movies,

986
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: and those writers don't get credited. So I'm assuming, I

987
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: just I'm assuming that whatever goes right in this movie,

988
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: a white cop didn't write like he wrote all the

989
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Nazi ship probably but yeah, yeah, he's like, oh orm,

990
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: I'll take orm. I got it. Like, but yeah, I

991
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: just want to igno and and and then also just

992
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: um for the five times this episode shout out James

993
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: Won because you gotta love him. He's and if you

994
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: and if you haven't really gone into the want of

995
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: verse he made. I never get like at another certain

996
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: people you think of and you're like, I'm so upset

997
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: at you for being so smart, so young and so like.

998
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: He made the Saw movie, the first Saw movie, when

999
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: he was like twenty five or something. It's ridiculous he

1000
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: did so he did the conjuring he did in City

1001
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: as he did like he did, he just did Malignant.

1002
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: He's like forty three. I was like this man, and

1003
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: he seems like such a sweetie pie. James. I wonder,

1004
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if super Yockey has made James Wan Sure,

1005
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: I would like one. I think. Another important piece of

1006
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: context for this movie is that canonically early I guess,

1007
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: at least as far as like comic book character Aquaman

1008
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: was created as a white character. And then when Zack

1009
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: Snyder whoever was in charge of casting Jason Momoa as

1010
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Aquaman in Justice League, basically was just like, this doesn't

1011
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: need to be the white character that we saw in

1012
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: the comic books. We can just kind of cast whoever

1013
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: they cast. Jason Momoa, who is native Hawaiian and to

1014
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: some extent Native American. On I believe his mother's side,

1015
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: but he I think doesn't necessarily claim as much heritage there,

1016
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: so he um just give that some clarity. Yeah, yeah,

1017
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: Jason Momoa is a bit of a problematic faith just

1018
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: because he has played Native American characters in the past.

1019
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: He was in a movie, uh called Rhoda Paloma I

1020
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: think is how you say it, where he played a

1021
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: Native character. He was on a show called The Red

1022
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: Road where he plays a Native character. And he was

1023
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: on Frontier where he plays a Native character. And again,

1024
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, and distinction there is, you know, like Hawaiians

1025
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: are not Native American and Native Americans are not Hawaiian

1026
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: because it's you know, different different histories, different cultures. So

1027
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: in an interview for The Red Road on Sundance TV,

1028
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: the lady interviewing him asked him if he has any

1029
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: Native heritage, and he says, you know, my grandmother she

1030
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: has a little bit of pawny, but I wouldn't say

1031
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: that I have enough. And I think that that's an

1032
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: important distinction, kind of problematic phrasing, you know, in a way,

1033
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really want to talk about blood

1034
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: quantum and go into that, Kara, but you know the

1035
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: fact that he does acknowledge, Like, you know, I'm a

1036
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: little bit uncomfortable claiming to be Pawny, even if Grandma

1037
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: might have been. I am Hawaiian, So I'm glad that

1038
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, at least with Aquaman, it's like, yes, this

1039
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: is Hawaiian, this is Polynesian, but it's also in Agenois

1040
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: and American, and you know, like he can really I

1041
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like this creation was very much

1042
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: part of Jason Momoa's influence, and uh, it feels more

1043
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: sincere that way, because it's like, dude, stop sucking playing

1044
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: native characters. Let a native person play the character. I

1045
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: honestly wasn't aware of the full, like the full context

1046
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: of his history there. Thank you for for letting us know. Uh,

1047
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,479
Speaker 1: we started to touch on this, and Alie, you were

1048
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: speaking to this already, but I'm interested to hear you

1049
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: speak more about kind of your connection with this movie,

1050
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: especially in terms of like it's indigenous representation. It's an

1051
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: indigenous superhero that there aren't really any other examples of

1052
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: that by racial representation. I mean, yeah, yeah, if you

1053
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: want to speak to that anymore. Well, it was interesting

1054
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: when I did my research and so many people, you know,

1055
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: like wrote these articles about Aquaman being like the first

1056
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: actual big biracial superhero and like I even was like

1057
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I'm like, is that correct? You know,

1058
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: like I'm going back, and the only one I can

1059
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: really think of was Brandon Lee and The Crow because

1060
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: he's Chinese and white. But little kids were not watching

1061
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: the Crow, you know, like the same audience watching the

1062
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: Crow was not, you know, like it's not as accessible

1063
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: as Aquaman was. So in the same way that Blade

1064
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: and Black Panther are different, Like people try to say

1065
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: that Black Panther isn't the first black superhero. That was Blade,

1066
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but children were not the target

1067
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: audience for Blade. They have it that was like R

1068
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: rated right, it was like it's very gory and graphic,

1069
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: and Blade wasn't presented as like look at this role

1070
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: model for children, like no, no, yeah. And even Jason Momoa,

1071
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: like in an interview, so he said, is honestly to

1072
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: be the first mixed race Superheroen is like, really, is

1073
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: is there not one? He's like, that's a huge honor.

1074
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: And to play it so close to who I am

1075
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: and all of his imperfections, I get to play it

1076
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: in a way where you can really slip between those

1077
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: two worlds. And I'm excited for the world to see it,

1078
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: he says, I haven't seen Aquaman yet because I'll be

1079
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: able to see something with my kids for the first time,

1080
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be really emotional and affected and

1081
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: to hold their hands. It's going to be a really

1082
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: cool moment to be a dad with a ten year

1083
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: old and eleven year old. It's pretty special. And yeah,

1084
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, like that's what I think too. Like again,

1085
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, I used to work with kids at the

1086
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: gym and stuff, and there was this one specific little boy,

1087
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, and he's black. I don't know if he

1088
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: was by racial. I think both of his parents are black,

1089
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: but he had these beautiful like amber colored sort of

1090
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: their brown eyes, but they kind of had like yellow

1091
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: in them a little bit. And he would like, oh,

1092
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: I have eyes like Aquaman. You know what I look like.

1093
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like I love that,

1094
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, like this kid who clearly is like, even

1095
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: if Aquaman isn't black, there's something you know, it's a

1096
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: brown superhero. It's by racial superhero. It some elements of

1097
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: him look like him. And it's like, you know, that's

1098
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: what I want for these kids, you know, especially indigenous kids,

1099
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, who really might not have a role model

1100
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: like Superman or Batman or something to that extent. You know,

1101
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: like seeing yourself on screen is is very important, especially

1102
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: like when I think about representation for me. You know,

1103
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: there's a million actresses out there who look like me.

1104
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: There's a million characters who look like me, but I

1105
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: don't feel like they are me. But then when I

1106
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: see Native actresses, you know, in shows like Reservation Dogs

1107
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: or you know, anything else, really I'm like, I don't

1108
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: feel like that's representing me either, because I'm so white

1109
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: passing and biracial and not really connected to the culture.

1110
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I gravitated so much towards

1111
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: Frozen two when it came out, because it was you know,

1112
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: an aquaman too in this extent, especially with the dad

1113
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: and you know, the parents looking so much like mine

1114
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. I hope that answered your question.

1115
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: I kind of went out, that's like, that's so, that's

1116
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: so lovely to hear, Like, yeah, this movie, I mean this,

1117
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: And again it's like this movie is it's so interesting

1118
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: to me because this movie wasn't marketed in that way

1119
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: at all, Like it was just like, here's the Aquaman movie.

1120
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: And then like I just and and maybe I just

1121
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: wasn't engaging with I feel like I'm my my feed

1122
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: does not superheroes don't come up in my feet a lot.

1123
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: Uh So maybe I missed this course, but I didn't

1124
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: hear much about it either. I mean it was like

1125
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: I was very pleasantly surprised that and it's and it

1126
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: just fits into the story so seamlessly. Yeah. Another thing

1127
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting about the narrative is that

1128
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: Aquaman the character being mixed being by racial even though

1129
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: it's never explicitly stated in the movie like he's half

1130
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: Atlantean and half specifically indigenous human, it's always just like

1131
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: he's half human and half Atlantean. Like we've mentioned, there's

1132
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: like a clear allegory that can still be drawn because

1133
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: he you know, he still has indigenous roots. And then

1134
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: you can see this allegory of like, yes, he's half

1135
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: white because Nicole Kodman is a white woman and half indigenous.

1136
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: So even though there's like not an explicit discussion happening

1137
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: about that in the movie, really there's like this you know,

1138
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: clear allegory that's being presented. Even so, in the movie,

1139
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: him being mixed is a thing that gets commented on

1140
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: quite a bit, both by his like enemies who see

1141
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: him being mixed as like a travesty. You know, he's

1142
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: called whatever clearly like slurs by Patrick Wilson's character, by

1143
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:22,440
Speaker 1: King Orm versus other you know, his allies are constantly

1144
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: reinforcing this. You know, you're the bridge between these two worlds.

1145
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: We need you, and this is part of what makes

1146
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: you worthy because you have these two experiences, you have

1147
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 1: backgrounds from both of these worlds, both of these people

1148
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: that can unite us because there you know, there's Nicole

1149
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: Kidman shows up at the end and she's like, there

1150
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,879
Speaker 1: aren't two worlds. Actually it's not. You know, the surface

1151
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: people and the underwater people were all from the same planet.

1152
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: We are one. And again, like the voiceover, the voiceover

1153
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: in the end is you know Aquaman saying, you know,

1154
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: my father was a lighthousekeeper, my mother was a queen.

1155
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: They never were meant to meet, but their love saved

1156
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: the world. They made me what I am. A son

1157
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: of the land, a king of the seas. And it's

1158
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: like this celebration of his like kind of bicultural identity

1159
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: is what saves the world. Let me comment on that one. Ah,

1160
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: the end of the movie kills me. Yeah, okay, so

1161
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: um when he says that, I know, he's like, you know,

1162
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: speaking in terms of like Atlantis and people, you know,

1163
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: but so saying, you know, like they were never supposed

1164
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: to meet, but their love saved the world. It's like

1165
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: that got to me, you know, like for a number

1166
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 1: of reasons. Um, you know, all things considered, my parents

1167
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: were never supposed to be you know, m and uh,

1168
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: my dad's parents certainly were never supposed to me. You know.

1169
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: It's like with residential schools and colonialism and all these

1170
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: terrible things that have happened, you know in the United

1171
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: States and Canada. It's like Grandma was never supposed to

1172
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: be alive, you know, It's like Dad was never supposed

1173
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: to be alive. You know, like technically none of us

1174
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: are supposed to be here. And you know, like when

1175
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: you put it in that perspective, what do you think

1176
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: that you know, against all odds, like we're here, and

1177
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: we're here because grandpa loved a Native woman and they

1178
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: had children and then my dad met my mom. You know,

1179
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: like how easily. Could Grandma have been sterilized at those

1180
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: schools or could have died at those schools, Like we're

1181
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: still finding you know, all of these bodies of these

1182
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: two oldren you know, that are buried at different residential

1183
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: schools and stuff, and it's like that could have been

1184
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: any of them, you know, that could have been Auntie,

1185
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: that could have been Grandma. You know, like the state

1186
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: could have taken Dad away from her, you know. And

1187
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: it's like so many things could have happened where they

1188
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 1: were never supposed to meet, and they did. And uh,

1189
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: even then, like once upon a time, like interracial marriages

1190
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: were illegal into like the seventies, you know, like they

1191
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: could have went to jail for being married, you know,

1192
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: or you know, having interracial children. So it's uh, you know,

1193
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: against all odds finding each other in this life. I mean,

1194
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of beautiful, and I'm happy that the movie

1195
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: ended on a happy note. I'm glad that Aquaman's mom

1196
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: didn't get fucking fridged like usually, you know, so the

1197
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: end where you know these the end where she's there

1198
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: and he finds her again. It's like when you're sitting

1199
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: in the theater with mom and you know that that's

1200
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: not what's gonna end because she's sick, it was still

1201
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of healing, and it's like, you know, I'm not

1202
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: really religious or anything, but it's like, at the end

1203
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: of all things, I kind of hope that that's where

1204
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: we find her someday. You know, I'm so happy I'm

1205
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: not the only person on the planet who fucking cries

1206
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: over Aquaman because like the other articles that I've read

1207
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: where people said that they got very emotional toops m

1208
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: h ah. I don't know if this movie meant to

1209
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: go so deep, but I interpreted it deeply. So that's

1210
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: the beautiful thing about art and stories and movies is

1211
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: that they can be interpreted any which way they can be.

1212
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: You know, the experience that you're any viewer bringing into

1213
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: the viewing experience will kind of inform I think it's

1214
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: really beautiful that James One Superhero Aquaman movie is something

1215
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: that's so like profoundly important and like impactful and effective

1216
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: to you. I'm so glad and I'm so glad you

1217
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: have that that memory with your mom too. That's really beautiful. Yeah,

1218
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: that's really great. Yeah me too. It was good good

1219
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: last movie and uh a happier memory was when we

1220
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: were watching it is at the beginning of the movie

1221
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: when he breaks into the submarine, because Mom she she

1222
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: would watch all of the m c U with us

1223
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: all the time, and her favorite was Thor, like she

1224
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: loved Thor. And then when Aquaman broke into the submarine

1225
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: and it's just beating everyone's ass, She's like, oh, no,

1226
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if who I like more? Now do

1227
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: I like Thor more? Do I like Aquaman more? And

1228
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: then they dude hit him and he like did that

1229
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: little head tilt before he kicked his ass? And we're

1230
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: both like, yeah, Aquaman, sorry, Chris. My mom had a

1231
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: type long haired muscly men man. It was also a

1232
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: teddy bear right funny, another lovely memory. Man, We're going

1233
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: we're going deep on Aquaman. I'm so happy it's good.

1234
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: It's good movie. I like it even if it kills me.

1235
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: It's a good movie. And it made I wanted to

1236
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: just shout out how again. I mean, I feel like

1237
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: at this point, for the majority of people have a

1238
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: commonly accepted truth. But like, this movie made a shipload

1239
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: of money. This movie made over a billion dollars. Yeah, globally,

1240
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Like I didn't. I guess I didn't

1241
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: remember how wildly successful this movie was. Um, because I

1242
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: just don't pay attention to the dc you because I

1243
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: assume it's boring. But then I'm like, well, if it's

1244
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: James Want, it's not going to be boring. And if

1245
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: they had billion dollars, I know, the d C EU

1246
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: just hasn't been like none of them are really any good.

1247
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: I would say, like they only had like three really

1248
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: really good ones, and that would be this one, Aquaman,

1249
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, and Birds of Prey. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1250
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: those are the ones. Yeah, those are really because the

1251
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: Superman ones haven't really been that good, the Batman ones

1252
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: really haven't been good. Wonder Woman is awful, Oh my gosh,

1253
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: what a third really, And I mean not for nothing

1254
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: that the three good d c EU movies were directed

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Speaker 1: by women and people of colored not a white guy

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01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: to be seen Wonder Moons. Yeah, but yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's huge box office success, which, by the way, it's

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Speaker 1: as of this recording, it's the twentie highest grossing film

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Speaker 1: of all time, but hilariously only the fifth highest grossing film,

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Speaker 1: of which means there were four other movies in the

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Speaker 1: gross more, which was like an Offers movie. Black Panther

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Speaker 1: incredible too, and I'm forgetting the other one, Durrassic World

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Speaker 1: whatever Durassic World came out. Oh my god, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess that's that's so wild And all the while we

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01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: couldn't get a better wig for Mera with a billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Then she looks so much like Aerial from Disney's Little Mermaid.

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Speaker 1: That distracting. I did, Um, obviously, I mean maybe this

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Speaker 1: is the part where we can like kind of say it,

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Speaker 1: like as we talk about Mira. Yeah, so like there

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01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: is definitely obviously a conversation to be had about domestic

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: violence and abuse, and it's not something that should be

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Speaker 1: ignored or overlooked. Of course, Um, several places have already

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Speaker 1: discussed this, and you know as far as Amber heard, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: as far as Amber heard, and everything that's surrounding that,

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Speaker 1: the controversy. Um, so that's why we really just wanted

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Speaker 1: to focus more on the indigenous aspect of the film,

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01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: because there is a lot to be said without really

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Speaker 1: even mentioning her. Right, but now that we are going

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01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: to mention her, you know, not to give not to like, um,

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01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: it's not framing her in a positive light, so to

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01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: say more like the character just kind of separating the two.

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Speaker 1: We want to acknowledge that we are well aware that

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: this is I mean an ongoing case and well, I mean, well,

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: let's let's link to some resources to that effect in

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: the notes of the show. So if you're if you're

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01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: not aware of the situation, we're not going to get

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01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: into it here because we would be here for hours

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01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: and it would it would take away from what we

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: do want to discuss about this movie. But we are

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01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: aware of the ongoing case with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

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01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: Domestic violence is always something that we want to never

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01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: ever erase in the scope of our show. UM. But yeah,

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: so we just wanted to acknowledge it that that is

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01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: something that's ongoing at the time of this recording. Um,

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Speaker 1: in terms of like the the case is still going.

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01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: And I believe the Amber Heard is not coming back

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Speaker 1: for the second Aquaman movie. I think she is. I

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: think they are filming because yeah, well there was a

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01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: lot of controversy around her casting in the second movie

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01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: because they wanted to recast her, and people wanted to

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Speaker 1: boycott Aquaman two because of that, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know this is an unpopular opinion. I mean, whether

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: she's an Aquaman two or not, I'm still going to

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01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: see it because he is the only indigenous, bi racial

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01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: superhero like period, and like, why let her ruin that,

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01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, like, for lack of better terms, I mean,

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01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: why take it away? You know, according to MDB, she

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01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,440
Speaker 1: does appear to be in this sequel that she about

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01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: a year from now in December. So okay, well, yeah,

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01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we acknowledge that. And

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01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: you know it would have felt weird too not addressing address. Yeah,

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01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: but we'd rather focus on other aspects of the film.

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01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: We're focusing on the story here. We'll we'll leave a

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01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: link in the description of this episode, right, but you know,

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: just separating Mira from the actress um the character herself,

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01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, is strangely pretty capable. I think, you know,

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01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: I tend to agree, yeah, to an extent. I like

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01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: that her motivation really isn't you know, Oh, I'm in

1319
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: love with Arthur. You know, it's like, no, my soon

1320
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: to be husband is a fucking lunatic and yeah, you know,

1321
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: we have to save the world and I have to

1322
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: like kind of teach this guy how to save the world.

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01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: She's kind of the impetus that gets Aquaman even involved

1324
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: in the plot of the movie, which is pretty cool.

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01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: I was all over the place with her, honestly, Like,

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01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: there are certain scenes where I was like, because I

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: totally agree with like she is the one that brings

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: him into the action, but she's like, I think, unless

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01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: I missed something, the first time she participates in the

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Speaker 1: action of the movie, like she fights is an hour

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01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: and a half into the movie, and the movie is

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01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: two and a half hours long, to be fair, So

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01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: she is involved in the act. Once she is involved

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01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,560
Speaker 1: in the action of the movie, she remains involved in

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01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: the action and she's in the rest of the battles.

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01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: But it it took a while for her to like

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01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: become and there there was a and maybe I'm being

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01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: like overly I don't know, maybe maybe I'm being overly

1339
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: sensitive to this thing. But the first time that she fought,

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01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: there was this music cue that I'm like, I know

1341
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: this music cue. It's guess who's fighting now, Like, there

1342
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: is that music cue the first time she fights, where

1343
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: it's a long stare, like she looks at the bug guy,

1344
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what, Like she looks at the scary

1345
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: guy and she's like, oh, you don't think a girl

1346
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: can fun? Like she doesn't say it, but the music

1347
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: tells you that. And then she fights and then you're like,

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: all right, I guess we broke the seal there. And

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01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: then she continues to fight, and like we know why

1350
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: she knows how to fight like all this stuff because

1351
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: she she had a mentor growing up as well. So

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01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: it's not a Merry Sioux situation or anything like that,

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01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 1: but I wish she'd I do. I sort of wanted

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01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: her to get involved in the action a little sooner

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01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: because there were I think like at least one, possibly

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01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: two large fight set pieces where she's sidelined and I

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01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: didn't think necessarily had to be right, that's fair, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I was also I was also paying attention to

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01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: things like does she ever have to be saved by

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01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: a man? Is she doing any of the shaving? And

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: I found that she she saves him twice. She saves

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Speaker 1: him twice one when the first like that big title

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01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: wave that arm throws at them. She saves both Aquaman

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: and his dad by also like kind of giving him

1365
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: like Atlantean CPR, basically like using her powers to like

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01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: extract the her from his lungs, and then she saves

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Speaker 1: him from Patrick Wilson's fashy rage. Yes, and after like

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01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: the ring of fire battle and yeah, I mean when

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01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: we do see her fighting, she is a competent fighter.

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Speaker 1: She can turn wine into swords. That's pretty cool. I know.

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01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, what a live laugh love moment.

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01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: Uh well, I mean technically Jesus is her teacher, so

1373
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: whoa that. Guess what you can do with the wine?

1374
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: Love it? It's so deep. Um, yeah, I think I think.

1375
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: I just like that. Whenever that like girl fighting now

1376
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: music que plays, I'm just like, come on, come on,

1377
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: James Wan. You know women can fight. You've been doing

1378
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: that forever. But whatever. But and then towards the end,

1379
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: there's there is someone who saves Mara as they're approaching

1380
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: like the tridents resting place and they're being attacked by

1381
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: all these like sea creatures, and at first I thought, O,

1382
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: it was Aquaman, but then it turns out to be

1383
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: this unknown figure who ends up being Nicole Kidman's character.

1384
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, she at no point has

1385
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: to be saved by a man, unless I'm like missing

1386
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: something or forgetting something. I don't think that happens. No,

1387
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't, Okay, so that was I was like, all right,

1388
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,759
Speaker 1: that's that's something for you know, that's kind of unusual.

1389
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: She's fighting with weapons, like the bars on the floor,

1390
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: but like she fights with weapons, it's not like random

1391
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: stuff that's around and has like powers. I feel like

1392
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: a lot of superhero movies don't really equip if there

1393
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: is like one woman in the story, she isn't like

1394
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: thinking of the first like Avengers movie where Black Widow

1395
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,480
Speaker 1: all these other characters have like out of this world powers,

1396
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and then Black Widows like, I can wrap my legs

1397
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: around a man's face and pussy slam him to the ground.

1398
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: But she's got actual powers also in the like when

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: the movie turns into National Treasure for a while and

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: they're like having to use like clue solving skills. She

1401
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: knows what to do with the first artifact. She knows

1402
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: where to go and how to find it. She knows

1403
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: how to access the recording, which leads them to the

1404
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: next clue. She memorizes that recording, which Aquaman like didn't

1405
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: even think to do or couldn't do, or you know,

1406
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: I relate to that too, because I legit would be

1407
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: like what did he just say? What do we have

1408
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: to do? I would have to watch it forty seven

1409
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: times and like write it down. Yeah, And I like that.

1410
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's not just I feel like very often.

1411
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you could even make this argument

1412
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: for National Treasure of like, even when there's a capable woman,

1413
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: she's all along for the ride. I mean, in the

1414
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: case of National Treasure, she's a hostage for a while

1415
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: and doesn't do any of the clue solving, even though

1416
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: she's like a historian. So but but in this case,

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01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: it's not only is mera a very very important active participant,

1418
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: they also share a common goal like her, their fates

1419
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: are connected, and so the stakes are extreme high for her.

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01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: It's not just like I have a crush on this guy,

1421
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: so I'm going to help him out, or Nicholas Cage

1422
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: is taking me hostage, so let me see what I

1423
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: can do, like you know, right, And then the second

1424
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: big clue, Aquaman figures that out because he's like, oh,

1425
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: Romulus was the king. We have to put the bottle

1426
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: and the statues hand, and then that's how we find

1427
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: the thing. But it just means that there's equity between

1428
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: like she saw the first thing, he solves the second one.

1429
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: They're like equals in this endeavor, which again is not

1430
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 1: It's like, should just be the standard thing that we

1431
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: can expect, but it's almost never that way. It's almost like,

1432
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, the man doing all the work, the woman's

1433
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: there along for the ride to look pretty and to

1434
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: kiss at the end, which does happen in this movie too.

1435
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I would argue that this love story feels very wedged in,

1436
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: doesn't really need to be there, doesn't really develop in

1437
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: any meaningful way except for that one scene where she's like,

1438
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: look at me eat flowers and he's like, ha ha,

1439
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: you're you're cute, and then and then they're kissing right

1440
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: there are Yeah, there are a few like hey, end

1441
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: brusha's and then meaningful glances and it's like is this necessary?

1442
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean sure, I guess, And it didn't like super

1443
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: bother me because the characters do have chemistry, but it

1444
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: was like, I agree, it's like it is wedged It

1445
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: could have been a potentially like tutor, I guess, if

1446
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: she was more like a younger sister or something as

1447
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: opposed to a love interest. Yeah, because the optics of like, well,

1448
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess who cares. But it's like she

1449
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: was going to marry her, she's being forced to marry

1450
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: his brother, and then she's like, oh, I guess I'm

1451
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: just actually going to marry her, which feels very like

1452
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: classically royal story that felt like this felt like such

1453
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: a modern story, and to have that like royal brother

1454
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: conflict felt more dated. I don't know, I don't they

1455
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: would have taken the kiss out of that big fight

1456
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: scene and then at the end where he's like what

1457
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: do I do now, she's like be their king and

1458
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: he like kind of kisses her on the forehead before

1459
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: he does that thing. I'm like, how cute would that

1460
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: have been? If that would have been like a big

1461
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: brother like I'm gonna be the king or whatever instead

1462
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: of oh, we just made out and you know what

1463
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 1: I mean, like something a little bit more wholesome. Yeah,

1464
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: I like I like the little sister thing, or like

1465
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: I'd like to just see more examples of like women

1466
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: being men and a woman being platonic friends in a

1467
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: movie that they don't have any fine, they can still

1468
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: both be like movie star hot, but also like it

1469
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: doesn't automatically mean they're going to be attracted to each

1470
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: other and gonna wanna kiss someone. Max and Furious too

1471
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,480
Speaker 1: hot people who don't kiss, and they are just allies.

1472
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 1: And I love that. Just let hot people be friends.

1473
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Just let people friends once, I would say. And I

1474
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: mean as far as like so Mara, I don't know,

1475
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: I would have liked to get to know her a

1476
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: little bit better. She doesn't have that much of an arc.

1477
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: She doesn't feel like that new wance or complicated of

1478
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: a character to me. I don't know. I feel like

1479
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: there could have been more, like I don't know, just

1480
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: emotional nuance to her, which I think could have been

1481
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: explored if she was like a member of their family,

1482
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: like the little sister or you know, a friend of

1483
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: the family who I don't know. It just I felt

1484
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: like there could have been more to develop her. But

1485
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: I was generally impressed with the way her character was

1486
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: handled and the amount that she was given to do

1487
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 1: and the agency that she had. I was. I was

1488
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: generally impressed with all of that. I agree. There is though,

1489
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: a scene which kind of like picked for me. When

1490
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: it's towards the end, Aquaman and Mara have shown up

1491
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: at this like cave place where the trident is supposed

1492
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: to be. Nicole Kidman is also like, by the way,

1493
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: I've been hiding for twenty years. And then we're also like,

1494
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: does that mean that Aquaman is only like twenty five

1495
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: because I think she he was like a small boy

1496
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: when she So I'm like, okay, I guess Aquaman's twenty

1497
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: five or something. Think about was like forty something. Yeah,

1498
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: she's and she's supposed to be Patrick Wilson's mother, Like

1499
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson is like fifty. You're like, well, I guess

1500
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: it's all relative. We don't know how people in Atlantis

1501
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: age by aging my aging underwater differently. This is just

1502
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: a goofy Atlantis observation. But there would be some of

1503
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: the scenes in Atlantis where you would just you would

1504
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 1: just be seeing the actors from like the chest up,

1505
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: and then they would suddenly cut to a wide shot

1506
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, they're floating there. It's just like

1507
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: that guy's hair is just like Doren has like red hair,

1508
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: and he's just like sort of floating around and his

1509
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: hair is all going everywhere. Seed where they take Willhem

1510
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: Dafoe's nice Jaffar character to the dungeon or whatever. They

1511
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: cut to a wide shot and like to those like kicking,

1512
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's so funny. I forget that

1513
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: he's swimming in this scene while he's going, um, he's

1514
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: being taken to the dungeon. Yeah, it looks very stall anyway.

1515
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: So the three of them have all kind of reunited.

1516
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: It's an aquaman and his mother and then Mara, and

1517
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: there's you were like Aquamans like, all right, I gotta

1518
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: go find the trident. And he goes and like does

1519
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: the very important thing of the movie, and then he

1520
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: comes back to where Mara in Atlanta or Atlanta are

1521
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: just like, well, we had to wait for the man

1522
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: to do the important thing, and then we were just

1523
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: the two women who were sitting here waiting. Well, they

1524
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: don't want to. I think that's fair enough. You do

1525
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: not want women with the tentacle monster in this movie

1526
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: because fandom is weird enough without god fair fair enough.

1527
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 1: That picked for me as well. And I feel like

1528
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: that could have been remedied by just like writing a

1529
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: short scene for them. Yeah, because I forget who was

1530
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: saying it earlier, but like she would have known Queen

1531
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: Atlanta since she was very young. They would have plenty

1532
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: to talk about. She was going to be forced to

1533
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: marry her bed son, she's falling in love with her

1534
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: good son. They just have known each other for a

1535
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: long time. Maybe they'll reminisce about something. What is Nicole

1536
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: Kidman been up to? Like, there's so many questions and

1537
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: there could have been a scene with them. Wait would

1538
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: they have known? Wouldn't have Nicole Kidman's character been banished

1539
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: probably before Mary was even born? I don't know, because

1540
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: I think Mari says something. I think Mari says something

1541
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 1: like this goes against everything your mother taught us or something. Right,

1542
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: It's that was Yeah, it sounds like they which again

1543
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: you have to suspend your disbelief and believe that Patrick

1544
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: Wilson and Amber her at the same age, which is

1545
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: very obviously not true. But yeah, I like I think

1546
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: that they would have known each other. But even if not,

1547
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: there's plenty to talk about. Yeah, or if like if

1548
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: we want to throw in another like fight sequence in

1549
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 1: there where if like some of the sea creatures had

1550
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: like infiltrated this place and then we have to see

1551
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: these like two women, you know, kick some ass like

1552
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: an action movie. After all, Like it just felt so

1553
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: weird to me that, like he comes back and it's

1554
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: like these two women were just like, okay, we wait.

1555
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: We were here waiting for you the man to do

1556
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: with the important thing, and we were just sitting here

1557
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: waiting and I was like, that could have been handled

1558
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: way better. Yeah. Yeah, But bottom line, especially compared to

1559
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,560
Speaker 1: superhero movies and the way women are treated in them

1560
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: for years prior to this, uh, Mara's involvement in story

1561
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: is pretty decent. Yeah, motivated, there's action, like, it's good.

1562
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it trinity syndrome either, you know. I

1563
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: there's plenty for her to do. It's not like she

1564
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: just showed up and it's like, now what do I do?

1565
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 1: And I'm here? Really how cool I am? What do

1566
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: I do? Nothing? Yeah, it's not like Morpheus sent me.

1567
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: It's like I sent myself because I see that this

1568
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: man that I've been forced into a marriage is trying

1569
01:34:56,479 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: to kill the world, so I have to um stop him. Yeah,

1570
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: and then in the same in the same way. I mean,

1571
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: and I think we've kind of covered this at this point,

1572
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: but um, Queen Atlanta has a full arc. You know,

1573
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: It's it does seem like you're kind of led to

1574
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: believe for the majority of the movie that she is Fridged.

1575
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: But then not only is she not Fridge, but she

1576
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: gets to go on this like beautiful journey that makes

1577
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: me cry when I think about it. Um, So, you know,

1578
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: there are certainly more characters of consequence in this story

1579
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: that are men. For sure. There's brother conflict, there's pirate

1580
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: merman conflict. There's fathers and sons. There's a lot of

1581
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: you know, male relationship. And I don't even necessarily mean

1582
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: that in a bad way because there's a wide variety

1583
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: of them. And then there are like two women in

1584
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: the story basically, and they are both white ladies, which

1585
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 1: but the women who are there, I think that the

1586
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: script does right by them and they have fully realized

1587
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: stories and their motivated, dead and involved and yeah, h

1588
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit more about the

1589
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: relationship between Aquaman and his dad because I think it's beautiful,

1590
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 1: and we do joke a lot on the show about

1591
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: how like, ultimately all stories are about fathers and sons. Um,

1592
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: this one doesn't bother me. This one's beautiful, This one

1593
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,440
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. It's it's a very sweet and supportive relationship.

1594
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Between the two of them. I feel like a trope

1595
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: you see A lot is like the younger man, the son,

1596
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: trying to prove himself to his dad and like kind

1597
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: of being toxic along the way, or like the dad

1598
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,839
Speaker 1: character needs to redeem himself because he's been a shitty,

1599
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: absent dad for his whole life. But there's like none

1600
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: of that in this story. It's just like they've been together.

1601
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:49,520
Speaker 1: They are supportive of each other. There's no like masculinity

1602
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: contest that either of them are trying to win. They're

1603
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: just like having a nice time together and they love

1604
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: each other. And I really appreciate she ate that representation

1605
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: of like a father son relationship in a movie, because

1606
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: we don't usually get anything like that. Yeah, there is

1607
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: a there's a line of dialogue the Aquamenses towards the

1608
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: end that I found to be confused. I don't I

1609
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: don't know if this was a joke or what, but

1610
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: it's when Mara is saying she said something like we

1611
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: need to like encourage diplomacy, or we need to like

1612
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: try to talk this out or like get it so

1613
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: that the different like kingdoms of Atlantis are like get

1614
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: It's something along those lines. I didn't write down specifically

1615
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: what it was, but Aquaman's response to that was, I

1616
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: learned from a young age not to show weakness. I

1617
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: solved my problems with anger and my fists. I'm a

1618
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: blunt instrument and I'm damn good at it. And I'm like,

1619
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: is that actually even true? Like I feel like your

1620
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 1: father wouldn't have like taught you that. Yeah, I'm just

1621
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm a tough man. Think guys will like guys like

1622
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: you as I'd be like, look, I'm a little fucked

1623
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: up and you're like, because why like lass party and

1624
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: with those guys in that scene earlier, but it was

1625
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: so it was so sweet. That was like the est. Yeah,

1626
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: you don't see Batman doing that ship. Aquaman is so

1627
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: much better. He's a friendly neighborhood Aquaman. He's a wholesome

1628
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 1: boy boy. Yeah. No, that that relationship with that was

1629
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: really well done. And it also didn't like it was

1630
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: so I don't know, Yeah, it didn't like overtake the

1631
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,520
Speaker 1: story in a way that I feel like those relationships

1632
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: sometimes do. And like, like you were saying at the

1633
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, Alley, there's all of these like

1634
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: pretty nuanced themes in this movie that just it's just seamless.

1635
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: You don't feel like the movie is like really pushing

1636
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: any particular theme on you. It's just like it's just

1637
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: happening and it's and it's good. Yeah. That's really surprising

1638
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: because of like Lesser Hands, you know, like this could

1639
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: have been so messy and a movie that's already kind

1640
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: of messy. I'm happy that part wasn't. You know, it's right.

1641
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I did appreciately like pro environmental conservation message of the movie,

1642
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 1: although it was kind of weird that it was the

1643
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: motivation for the villain and that it wasn't also the

1644
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: motivation for like the good guys. That's a little Ghostbusters

1645
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, we're like the E p A Is

1646
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: the Devil. Yeah. I feel like they didn't want to

1647
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: make the villain to sympathetic, you know, where it's like

1648
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: kill Monger, you know, like made so many good points,

1649
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, we can't have y'all, you know,

1650
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 1: rooting for the bad guys, so let's make him a misogynist,

1651
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like black Panther. Otherwise, I

1652
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: mean people would be like, oh, yeah, you know what

1653
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, right, Like, yeah, see your point. Maybe I

1654
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: should follow you actually, So then Orm is like, you know,

1655
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: well you're not wrong, but you're also a fascistict yeah,

1656
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: like or recognizes the environmental issue in a way that

1657
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: Aquaman doesn't as much. But also his proposed solution is

1658
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: violence and like racial violence and uh like would not

1659
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: resolve the problem, but he acknowledges it. So it's weird.

1660
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: And then at the end that line that Nicole Kidman

1661
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 1: when she comes to like, I whatever, it's a comic

1662
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: book story. So when she goes over and hugs her

1663
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: son and she's like, don't do a fascism and he's like,

1664
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 1: oh man, I feel so silly, and like he's like,

1665
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mommy, I really I wasn't gonna I definitely

1666
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do a fascism. And then I'll go

1667
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: to jail. Now think about what you did in the

1668
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: dungeon and like in the swimming dungeon or whatever, and

1669
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: so it's like all very whatever end of movie stuff.

1670
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 1: But then Nicole Kidman says something like that makes sense

1671
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: thematically with aquaman S narrative, where she's like the land

1672
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: and the you know, we're all she's kind of like,

1673
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 1: this is a monoculture maybe, and it's like, Okay, that

1674
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: is I see, I see why she's saying that, But

1675
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: that really pushes the environmental stuff aside. And because we've

1676
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: been seeing I mean, that's why I'm intrigued by the

1677
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: Randall Park character UM and how he is going to

1678
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: team up with be held hostage by unclear uh with

1679
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 1: Black Manta. But like it seems like the movie setting,

1680
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 1: like the franchise, is being set up to address that

1681
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: in a more meaningful way in the next movie. It

1682
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: seems like it. I hope that there will be UH

1683
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: in the sequel. I hope that there will be more

1684
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: women of color in it, especially like Polynesian women are

1685
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: more Polynesian characters in general, because you know, ycause it's

1686
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 1: the Polynesian superhero. And also I guess the the environmental issues.

1687
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was also now that I think

1688
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: about it, I wonder if it was kind of swept

1689
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: under the rug a little bit because Jason Momoa was

1690
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: protesting Mauna Kea around the time and then was also

1691
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 1: standing in solidarity with Standing Rock Yes, and they were

1692
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: probably like, well, we don't want it to get to

1693
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: preachy because we're still Hollywood and you know, I don't

1694
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 1: want to make too many waves. We don't want to

1695
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: be pro environment. That would be absurd, that would be

1696
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: a bad look for us. So it's like, what do

1697
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 1: you mean God, I mean yeah, And then you think

1698
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: about whether you can't you can't. You just can't think

1699
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: about it. Like the carbon footprint of a movie like

1700
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: this is gigantic and there aren't enough. Um. I mean,

1701
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,839
Speaker 1: that's a conversation that we should have on this show someday,

1702
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: but I just haven't done enough research on it. But

1703
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 1: just like the massive carbon footprint that movies havepen how

1704
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: there's basically no regulations on how much energy you can

1705
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: just bust into the air making you know, Willem Dafoe

1706
01:42:56,280 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 1: swim or whatever it is, Like right, yeah, I would

1707
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: like to learn more about that too. I feel like

1708
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: we like, very very minimally scratched the surface when we

1709
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: talked about Babe on the Patreon and I get a

1710
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: little deep dive onto like how certain practical effects have

1711
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: like killed nearby animals on movie sets. There have been

1712
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: a few examples of that, but like, yeah, it's not

1713
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: just like wildlife, it's just, yeah, the kind of ecological

1714
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: impact that a lot of production movie productions have is

1715
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure not great. The next big big blockbuster we cover,

1716
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'll do a section of Avatar to probably because

1717
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: you know that. God, Yeah, when we do the Avatar episode,

1718
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: that would be that would because it's like, oh, this

1719
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: that movie does claim to be a lot of things,

1720
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,440
Speaker 1: but you're like, bull, but what was the carbon footprint

1721
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 1: of that? Mr Cameron? Can can we get some numbers there?

1722
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: Among other things? Yeah? H does anyone have any other

1723
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 1: thoughts about the movie that they like to discuss. I

1724
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: want to say yes, but I'm blanking out. I think

1725
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 1: that's that's everything that I had. There's so there was

1726
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: so much, there's so much to love about this movie. Yeah,

1727
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: I do have a newfound appreciation for it. I mean,

1728
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,759
Speaker 1: for me, like when I watch a movie, I'm mostly

1729
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: analyzing until I analyze it through like the Bechtel cast lens.

1730
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it from like I'm mostly like

1731
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: story point of view, and like how well are the

1732
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: characters developed, how compelling are the themes, how structurally sound

1733
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,799
Speaker 1: is the story? How like effective is the world building?

1734
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like some of those things in this

1735
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 1: movie is like what made it feel very like clunky,

1736
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: Like most of the world building is done through like

1737
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: very clunky dialogue, and I'm just like, come on, of exposition.

1738
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah there's But visually, for me, some of the choices

1739
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: were strange, and again I was experiencing a lot of

1740
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: sensory overload. But um, yeah, I do have a I

1741
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 1: have way more appreciation for this movie than I did

1742
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: before we started talking about it on this show. So

1743
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: I every time I see I was selling Caitlin this

1744
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: off Mike before we started recording. But I was like

1745
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: everything that I found confusing about this movie, I suddenly

1746
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 1: was like, I actually like it because it's all James

1747
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 1: Wan stuff, Like James Wan created Jigsaw. Who if can

1748
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: you think of a more expositional character than Jigsaw. He

1749
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: the movies are not particularly well written, and they look

1750
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: absolutely weird every single time, but it just it just works.

1751
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: His movies are just vibrating. That's the James Wan way. Yeah,

1752
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: Jigsaw is the ultimate I think. I guess listeners, let

1753
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 1: me know if there's a character that um is more

1754
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: inherently expositional than Jigsaw. We should do a saw a

1755
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: month on the Patriot we got. Oh goodness, does this

1756
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: movie pass the back door test. I forgot to pay attention.

1757
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: It does. I I saw it passing one time. It

1758
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: is a two and a half hour movie. Maybe I

1759
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: missed something, But there was one interaction that Jason Momoa

1760
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 1: is present for and it's shot from the back, so

1761
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: it could have even been a d R. But maybe

1762
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: maybe someone flagged that in James Wanda is like, oh shit, um.

1763
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: But Nicole Kidman and uh Mea have an exchange where

1764
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Mara says something like and you've been here for twenty

1765
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 1: years and she's like, yes, I've been here for twenty years,

1766
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: and then they're like, anyways, aqua man. But it does.

1767
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 1: Technically it does pass. Okay, well, good for the movie.

1768
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: They also had two and a half other hours to

1769
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,719
Speaker 1: to maybe do that, And but that is like, that's

1770
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 1: I think an extension of a problem we've been talking

1771
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: about for five years now that the first time I

1772
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: remember talking about it was in our Star Wars episode

1773
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: four episode where it's like, how could this movie pass

1774
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test? There's only one woman she's got to

1775
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 1: want to talk to, and it's like there's only two

1776
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: women and they only appear in one scene together. Where

1777
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 1: else is this going to pass. That's like a structural flaw.

1778
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that does speak to how there are

1779
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of characters in this movie and most of

1780
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 1: them are met. We get another like there's a scene

1781
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: where Orm kills like the mermaid kingman and then his

1782
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: daughter who's like teen daughters now, like the heir to

1783
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: the throne. So then she shows up in a later

1784
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: battle and she's like doing some stuff here and there

1785
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: barely I mean blank, and you'll miss her. But other

1786
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: than that that, yeah, there really aren't any women. But like,

1787
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: for example, Willem Dafoe's character easily could have been a

1788
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: woman like one of the villains, like other of the

1789
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: villains could have been a woman. There are and I'm

1790
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,679
Speaker 1: sure that that connects to like the common Book says, well,

1791
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: but it's like this movie already, this franchise already made

1792
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:06,879
Speaker 1: changes independently of the comic book that improved the source material.

1793
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: So why not why not keep going with it? What

1794
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: if Black Manta's dad would have been Black Manta's mom mother, right,

1795
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: because then that really would have been shitty if he

1796
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 1: would have left his mom to die, you know after

1797
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: what he did, Like no, fuck you, I mean Black

1798
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 1: Manta could have also been a woman, Like what's what's

1799
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 1: to stop that from happening. But I do like the

1800
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 1: idea of it being his mother instead of his father,

1801
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 1: because then that's like Aquaman has like mommy problems, and

1802
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 1: that would like heighten the conflict between the two of

1803
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 1: them if they have this like shared like loss of

1804
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: mother and like, ah, yeah, it was right there, it

1805
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: was right. That's why you don't let an l a

1806
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: p d. Officer write your movie. They're gonna yeah, um,

1807
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: as far as our nipple scale goes zero to five nipples.

1808
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 1: Analyzing it through an intersexual feminist lens um, I would

1809
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: say between Mara and Atlanta, even though they are the

1810
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 1: only two women in the story and they don't really

1811
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 1: interact hardly ever, but as individual characters, like there's interesting

1812
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 1: things happening there, there's more equity between Like Mara, who

1813
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 1: is positioned to be the love interest, but she's also

1814
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: more than that. In this movie, she's all that, she's

1815
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: doing other stuff, she's fighting, she's solving clues, she has

1816
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: the agency to like seek out Aquaman to begin with,

1817
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: so you know, she's far more important to the narrative

1818
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 1: than a lot of other like superhero movie female counterparts

1819
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: of hers have been in the past, So that's cool.

1820
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 1: The fact that this movie is representation of an indigenous superhero,

1821
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: a biracial superhero. Uh the kids adults alike have seen

1822
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: themselves represented in is like really important, really powerful, very meaningful.

1823
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: The relationship between Aquaman and his dad and how there's like, again,

1824
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 1: so many father son relationships are in movies are so

1825
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 1: steeped in like some weird form of toxic masculinity, and

1826
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: the fact that that's absent from this relationship I think

1827
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: is a very positive thing to see on screen. And

1828
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a lot of things going for the

1829
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: movie that again, when looking at it through the through

1830
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: the bectolcast lens, I appreciate it way more. So with

1831
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: that in mind, I'll give it like three and a

1832
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 1: half nipples, because there's still some stuff that, you know,

1833
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of rubbed me the wrong way. The fact that

1834
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 1: the only black characters are villains, Like, why weren't there

1835
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 1: black Atlanteans who are just existing in that world? Why

1836
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: aren't there other just like any yeah, any people of

1837
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: color elsewhere in the story, because it's still a predominantly

1838
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: white cast. And and then there are the only black

1839
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:11,600
Speaker 1: characters we meet, Like there immediately sidelines until the credits

1840
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 1: of the movie, right, yeah, yeah, and then you've got

1841
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: like Randall Park, who seems like a very fun character.

1842
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 1: I was like, so, where's he? Give me more him?

1843
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he has a very large role in

1844
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: the second movie. I did a little digging, and I

1845
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: love Randall Park. Yeah, he's great. So I think there

1846
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 1: could have been more, just diversity overall, but yeah, even so,

1847
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 1: I was three three and a half nipples, and I

1848
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 1: will give one to Jason Momoa. I'll give one to

1849
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman's wig. I'll give one to Always got to

1850
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 1: give one to her wig and never to her and

1851
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 1: never to her. I'll give one to Randall Park. And

1852
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 1: I'll give my half nipple to the how do you

1853
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: say this word? Corinth Corinthian corinthe No, not Corinthian whatever,

1854
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 1: the giant crab monster. H So that gets my that's

1855
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: my half nipple. I'll meet you at three and a half.

1856
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 1: That sounds right to me. Um, yeah, I I agree

1857
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: with what you're saying. I feel like this movie is

1858
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 1: doing so much for a superhero movie. I absolutely loved

1859
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 1: and really appreciated you sharing your connection to it. Ali

1860
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: like it is just like I'm so glad this movie exists,

1861
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that the Yeah, that just that's

1862
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 1: how this world is, and that it I don't know,

1863
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 1: like it subverted a lot of my expectations of just

1864
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,799
Speaker 1: what I expect from superhero movies in general, but also

1865
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 1: just you know, including a biracial character in a meaningful way,

1866
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: in a very authentic and thoughtful way that was also

1867
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 1: true to like who the actor himself is, and just

1868
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 1: all of this wonderful thematic stuff and then and then

1869
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of how I mean, and I

1870
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 1: agree that the two female characters that we have are

1871
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:16,520
Speaker 1: wonderful and they have these fully realized stories. They're very motivated,

1872
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: they're they're also very white. And I really hope that

1873
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, in like like we've discussed already, that there

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Speaker 1: is diversity across gender in this franchise as it continues

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Speaker 1: to develop, which I want to believe is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Um also know, like body diversity to like there's a

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Speaker 1: shot where like the two women are standing next to

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Speaker 1: each other and it's like, oh, you have the same

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Speaker 1: exact body type, Well you forgot Nicole Kidman is taller

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Speaker 1: than husband. That if mirror was cast by like a big, hulking,

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Speaker 1: gorgeous woman like yeah, hell yeah, or that would have

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Speaker 1: been Acquaman's mom. So like the cole Conman's beautiful a lot.

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Speaker 1: If it was right like rich people were gigantic, which

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Speaker 1: is why he's fucking gigantic, that would make sense to me. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I never have to do Jamie, No, no, I'll go

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Speaker 1: three and a half. I am now officially amped to

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Speaker 1: see Aquaman two. Who knew James wants directing the new

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Speaker 1: one as well? I appreciate James Wan. Okay, three and

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Speaker 1: a half nipples. Gotta give one to James Want. I'm

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Speaker 1: as big as fan. Also, I'll give one to the

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Speaker 1: Cthulhu as well. Give one to Jason Momoa. He is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I really love him, and I'll give my last half two.

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Speaker 1: Randall Park nice Illi, what about you? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: three and a half is fair because you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: the movie meant a lot to me for a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different emotional reasons. But uh, but yeah, it does

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Speaker 1: have a lot of clunkiness in it. The exposition, like

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Speaker 1: I said, is all over the place. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of information, a lot of backstory. Um, but all of

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Speaker 1: it is cool, So I'm a little bit more forgiving,

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Speaker 1: But it just could have been done better. Birds of

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Speaker 1: Prey kind of does that too. Actually, it's just a

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Speaker 1: little slapping, a lot packed into yeah, a lot of characters.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's like when you have that many characters,

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Speaker 1: you're like, well, someone's going to get lost in the mix.

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Speaker 1: Like and yeah, I think it was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: two movies and they just kind of like combine them

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Speaker 1: and it feels that way. Yeah, But like I said,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the stuff, the stuff that's clumsy

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Speaker 1: is clumsy, but not terrible. I've definitely seen so much

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Speaker 1: worse in the d C EU on top of that, Like,

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Speaker 1: but the stuff that they did well, they did very

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Speaker 1: very well, like surprisingly well. So yeah, i'll give it

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Speaker 1: three and a half. Also, I'll give one of these

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Speaker 1: nips to Jason Momoa. I'd like to give him too,

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Speaker 1: but he can just have one. I'll give another one

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Speaker 1: to his dad because Mandalorian. I'm going to give the

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Speaker 1: third one to Black Manta just because, yeah, Yama is

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Speaker 1: so hot and I know that's not what it's important

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Speaker 1: right now, but I just had to say that he's

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Speaker 1: hot but bad. He was also like I know that

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Speaker 1: there's a problematic element obviously with the black guy be

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Speaker 1: and the villain, but man, at least he was a

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Speaker 1: good villain, which wouldn't have been an issue again if

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Speaker 1: there were other black characters, right, but because he's he

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Speaker 1: and his dad were the only ones in his dad dies,

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well that's pretty glaring anyway, right of course.

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Speaker 1: But then uh, yeah, my half, I guess we'll go

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Speaker 1: to Nicole kidman, just just a cool kidsman. Just get

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Speaker 1: that I have to give the full ones to the

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Speaker 1: people of color and the indigenous folks, and you can

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Speaker 1: just have a half just half. Well, Alie, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming back and joining us in this

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Speaker 1: wonderful discussion and for sharing your your connection with this movie.

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Speaker 1: It's like really moving and I was like tearing up

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Speaker 1: and yeah, me too, thank you for putting up with

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Speaker 1: me during that. Oh my god, oh my god, any

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Speaker 1: please come back anytime, like truly, I will come back

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Speaker 1: for Avatar properly. I called this. Nobody else gets to

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Speaker 1: do it but me. You've got Avatar. Does give me

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Speaker 1: a call and be like all right, we're doing this,

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Speaker 1: and I will be like, yes, we are my time.

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Speaker 1: Wait when does the next When does Avatar to come out?

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Speaker 1: Twenty years from now? Probably? Yeah, like not for another

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Speaker 1: year and a half. We can't wait. It can't it

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Speaker 1: can't wait. It can't wait. An it's never coming out?

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Speaker 1: Oh God. But yeah, I would love to come back

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Speaker 1: and thank for inviting me again. I love talking about movies, yes,

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Speaker 1: and we love having you. Where can people you know

1950
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Speaker 1: check out your stuff follow you online? Tell us about

1951
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Speaker 1: the A LA tests. We've talked about it before, but

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Speaker 1: tell our listeners who might not be familiar, what the

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Speaker 1: LA test is. Okay, So the A LA tests started

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Speaker 1: off on Tumbler. It's the dash A LA dash test

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Speaker 1: dot tumbler dot com. And it was when I was

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Speaker 1: in Finland and came up with a Bechdel Test inspired

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Speaker 1: litmus test I suppose for a Native and Indigenous women,

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Speaker 1: where I noticed that when they appear movies, they're usually

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Speaker 1: not a main character or a white guy's girlfriend, or

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Speaker 1: they get murdered or they get sexually assaulted and every

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Speaker 1: single thing I've seen, so I'm like, okay, let's look

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Speaker 1: for characters who are the main character so an Indigenous

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Speaker 1: woman who is a main character, who is not the

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Speaker 1: love interest to a white guy and doesn't get sexually

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Speaker 1: assaulted or killed at any point in the story. And

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Speaker 1: it took off, Like I don't know, people just really

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Speaker 1: responded really well to this, which I was kind of

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Speaker 1: surprised by. But I guess when you have like hard evidence,

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Speaker 1: you know, where it's all like, no, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm making this up by seeing this pattern, and it's

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Speaker 1: a very disturbing pattern that keeps happening, and people are like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually that is kind of sucked up. You know, why

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Speaker 1: aren't more characters passing the ALA test? Yeah, And it

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Speaker 1: was kind of like I mean, it was I believe,

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Speaker 1: like the first of its kind as far as like

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Speaker 1: an like a test examining representation of Indigenous women in media,

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Speaker 1: and like when you have something like that that's like

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Speaker 1: also like easily quantifiable or like qualifiable, Like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that it took off, because it's like

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Speaker 1: it's a great way to like open up that conversation

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Speaker 1: about representation of Indigenous characters and women in media. And

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Speaker 1: that's all I really wanted it to do. You know.

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Speaker 1: It was just like start the conversation and then hopefully

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Speaker 1: it leads to better movies and better characters, which I

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Speaker 1: hope it has. Like people have been talking about it

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Speaker 1: a lot, I think, I mean, it seems like it has.

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Speaker 1: I like, I don't know it already has like such

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Speaker 1: a cool, impactful legacy. The Gina Davis Institute called it out,

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Speaker 1: So congratulations, that was amazing. She got me into the

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Speaker 1: goddamn league. You're part of the Justice League now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, and then I did another test. I think

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Speaker 1: I was talking about this when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: movie talks with Caitlin. Yes, yes, yes, where it was

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Speaker 1: does the Indian live? Which is also like does the

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Speaker 1: Native American characters show up in the movie? And does

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Speaker 1: he die? Okay, if he does, he doesn't pass, you know, hope.

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Speaker 1: So uh, that one hasn't quite as taken off. But

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Speaker 1: that's mostly because I am not organized and I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to run a website. So I'm figuring it

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Speaker 1: out it don't happen. But other than that, you can

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Speaker 1: find me on Twitter, Alie Naughty on Twitter, Alie Naughty

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Speaker 1: on Tumbler, Elie Naughty on TikTok. If you really want

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Speaker 1: to see me embarrass myself and on Instagram. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love your one minute movie reviews. They're really great. I

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Speaker 1: haven't done one in a long time. I need to

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Speaker 1: do it again. Yeah, bring it back, bring it back,

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Speaker 1: one hundred bonus episodes. This month we did two of

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Speaker 1: our most popular romcom request that we've just never done

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Speaker 1: for some reason. So if you want to hear us

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Speaker 1: Matrean community is so lovely and so fun and is loose.

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