1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I remember when my children 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and my twins were five years old, and one of 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the greatest joys is when I had them at home. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: I knew they were safe and sound and I was 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: there to protect them. Well, that is what one Summerville, 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: South Carolina mom thought, Veronica Graham, But that wasn't true. 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: Her little girl, beautiful Italia, shot dead in her own home. 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Why beautiful Italia shot dead in her own home? I mean, 9 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: I see, Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 10 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM 11 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: one eleven. Think about it, as I used to tell 12 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: my juries. Don't turn away because it's distasteful or it 13 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: it hurts your heart or hurts your feelings, maybe make 14 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: you sick at your stomach. Don't turn away from the truth. 15 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: We cannot afford to turn away from what is happening. 16 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: And the truth is look at this little girl. Have 17 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: you ever seen anything more innocent, more beautiful than this 18 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,639 Speaker 1: little girl. I'm looking at her right now. She's sitting 19 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: on her sofa. I think her little T shirt says 20 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: a door and she's beautiful in every way. Why does 21 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: this little innocent five year old girl have to die 22 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: and in her own home. First of all, take a 23 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: listen to Dave mac Crime online. Five year old Italia 24 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: Lamellie Graham is playing inside her home with her brothers 25 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: and sisters. It's a Friday night in Somerville, South Carolina, 26 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: in the Evergreen subdivision. Children play outside during the day 27 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: and many neighbors talk about Italia riding her bike and 28 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: how she likes my Little Pony and the superhero Ladybug. 29 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: She's a bright little girl with a big smile. But 30 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: now she's playing inside with her brothers and sisters. And 31 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: it's just before ten pm when shots ring out in 32 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the Evergreen subdivision, not from inside a home, but outside 33 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: in the street. The noise is loud enough that Somerville 34 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: police officers here seven or eight shots as they patrol nearby. 35 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: As the officers head to where they hear the shots 36 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: coming from, a call comes out on the radio to 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: head to one hundred Langley Drive. Police arrive. They find 38 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: bullet holes in the window of the home and they 39 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: see shell casings on the ground outside in the street. 40 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Let me understand this straight to you. Angela Brown, investigative 41 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: reporter wc IVY ABC News for Charleston. One quick question, 42 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: so I understand this? Do I understand it correctly? Angela Brown? 43 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: That the gun shots went through the window of the 44 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: home and the casings were right outside on the street. 45 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes? You had that right? The lub 46 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: shot inside of this house, fire from outside. They fired 47 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: these gunshots inside of a home, not knowing who was 48 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't know, but sided inside of a home, 49 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: and of course this little girl was inside who was hit? Okay, 50 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: hold on, angel I'm just trying to establish something forensically. 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: Angela Brown with me wc IV, ABC News for Charleston. Angela, 52 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: how far were the casings from the window? Well, the 53 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: casings were across this root from the house. Just imagine 54 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: the normal block on there's there're home from both sides, 55 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: and the casings were actually found across the roots from 56 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: the home were little Italian list that's where Okay too, 57 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: Pastor at Thomas Ravenel, who is joining us from there 58 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: in the community. Pastor, I'm going to get to the 59 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: whole scenario in just a moment, but I've got to 60 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: establish something forensically, and that is how far are the 61 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: casings feet? Thirty feet fifty feet? One hundred yards the 62 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: casings from the window. We're not sure, honestly, you know, 63 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: we get the basic information, some of the crime scene information. 64 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: We have not have nothing disclosed to us as of known. Well, 65 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: do you know where the window is? Do you know 66 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: where the window is? Yes, ma'am? Do you know where 67 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: how far it is to be across the street, directly 68 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: across the street on the other side of the street. 69 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: How far is that? It's not that far. Might be 70 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: a hundred yards at the most, one hundred yards. Uh 71 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: wait a minute, A football field is three hundred what's 72 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: one hundred yards? Right? Football field? One hundred yards? Okay, 73 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: one hundred yards is the length of a football field? 74 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: You know what. I'm gonna go to Italia's mom, Miss Graham. 75 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: How far from your window were the shell casings I 76 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: would see? Was it a football field? Was it a 77 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: football field? Thirty feet? Thank you? I'm going to circle 78 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: right back to you. Okay, it showed me a while. 79 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: Forgive me. I'm a JD, not a DDS. Don't know 80 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: how to pull teeth. But this is what I'm getting at, 81 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: and now you'll understand why I'm so concerned. To Joseph 82 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author 83 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. You know where 84 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm going, Joe Scott, because if this is thirty feet away, 85 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: this is not some drive by. This is somebody right 86 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: there pointing, okay, pointing at that window. So this was 87 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: not some random drive by, you know, shooting up in 88 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: the air. Oh h double l No, it's not. And 89 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: I know that because of the distance between the shell 90 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: cases and the window. You explain, Yeah, windows, Nancy, functional word, 91 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: they're not walls. That is is this a position from 92 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: which an individual could stand at that distance and observe 93 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: into the house. That's what makes me think, and I 94 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: think some of the law enforcement types that this is 95 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: a targeted event. If you're able to look in the window. 96 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: And remember, you know, one of the things is if 97 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: the interior of your height of your house is illuminated 98 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: at night, you can't see out of the window, but 99 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: people can see in. And this is something somebody could 100 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: come in with stealth and do and no one would 101 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: see them out there. They would simply fire from that 102 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: position across the street through the window. And what they're saying, 103 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: and I've actually seen images of this. They're showing two, 104 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: not one, but two bullet holes that pass through that glass. 105 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: And that's very significant, Nancy, because at that position, you're 106 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: wondering who else was in the room. Was there anybody 107 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: other principles in that room. It's mind boggling to me 108 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: that someone could target a precious little angel like this, 109 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, an innocent like this. It makes me think, 110 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I wonder if there was somebody else there that this individual, 111 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: this monster was after. Knowing what Italia is, mother veronicaor 112 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: Graham has just told me about the distance of the 113 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: gunchut shells to the home. This is not random. Now. 114 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: The only way it could be random is if someone 115 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: is shooting three windows for the thrill of it, for 116 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: the sick thrill of it. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. 117 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: This story means a lot to me. And let me 118 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: correct myself. This is not a story, a fable. This 119 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: is real. This is a beautiful five year old little girl. 120 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: And I remember my little girl at five, I still 121 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: had her hair like this, she'd still wear bows in 122 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: her hair. I dressed her up as best as I could. 123 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: I've got a picture of Italia right here holding a 124 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: big teddy Bear at my little girl still has hurt 125 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: Teddy Bear as a child on her bed, dressed up 126 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: in clothes. Here she is with bows in her hair 127 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: like I do, Lucy. Here she is with it looks 128 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: like twenty braids done in her hair. And now I'm 129 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: looking at a makeshift candlelight memorial. Because Italia was shocked. 130 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I want to go to Italia's mother, Veronica Graham. Missus Graham. 131 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: There's no way for you to know this, but on 132 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: the day of this shooting, it was August six, correct, 133 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: Miss Graham. That day I woke up in the depths 134 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: of misery because August six is the day that changed 135 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: my life. My fiancee was murdered that day, August the six, 136 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: and every day every year August the six just it's 137 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: like a freight train hit me, and I was all 138 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: mssed in my own thoughts. I of course, didn't want 139 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: my twins to know anything was wrong. And then I 140 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: read about Italia and I realized how selfish I was, 141 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: because your grief it's a million times of mine. I 142 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: can't imagine what could be worse than losing your child. 143 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Were you and I immediately started praying for you. I 144 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: didn't even know your name and for Italia about what 145 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: you're going through. Will you tell me, miss Graham, what 146 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: happened that day? It was as my sisters. My little 147 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: sister birthdis she was turning fourteen, so we decided to 148 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: celebrate no birthday for her. So around like a thirties, 149 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: the party was over. We was just cleaning up. But 150 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: earlier that day, tell ya every time in somebody's birthday, 151 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: tell yo always feel like she needs a kid too. Well, 152 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: I took her to the storms to get her a 153 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: little toy to play with. So it was me, her 154 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: and my boyfriend. We are sitting in the living room 155 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: and she just was like, you want to see my joy, 156 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: and she ran to her room and then she ran 157 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: down the hallway. And then as she was running down 158 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: the hallway, I heard him screaming and just like yelling, 159 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: and I thought his theory and the fact that we 160 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: just had the party in the balloons and everything was 161 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: I thought she just stepped on the balloon or something. 162 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: So I'm just like what she and she's scared everybody? 163 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: What's going on? Then I turned around and she was 164 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: just like standing and she was standing up, and then 165 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: I see my boyfriend. He's like trying to jump, but 166 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: he tripped over the table trying to catch her. And 167 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: then she like turned around and she and then I 168 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: noticed like she had a gunshot woods her head. So 169 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: then she walked to me and she just fell in 170 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: my arms and I was just like screaming and yelling. 171 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: I was screaming, saying hell, and I was just like 172 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: come on, tell you, I'm on, come on, come on, 173 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: come on, okay, come on, and I just keep screaming 174 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: for help, old and old, and then like the police arrived, 175 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: and then I was waiting on the ambulance to come, 176 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: and finally the ambulance arrived and then they put her 177 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: inside the ambulance. But I wasn't able to drive with 178 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: her in the ambulance, so I end up going with 179 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: the police officer and then he was they were driving 180 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: me there, taking me there, and just when I was 181 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: walking inside the hospital, like the way, the officer was 182 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: like squeezing my hand and like kept like holding me, 183 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: and like I had like blood everywhere. I had blood 184 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: all over my dress all and my hand all down 185 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: to my feet. Like she was still like and he 186 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: just was like squeezing me and just like and then 187 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I was like, where is She's like, let me go 188 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: see her, like she need to hear my voice, Like 189 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: she needed to hear my voice because if she hit me, 190 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: she knows, like I'm here, and he just like kept 191 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: squeezing and I was just like, whend she mean she 192 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: He's just like just go. He's like just go. You 193 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: needn't go sit in the waite room and I was like, 194 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it a waitever m. I 195 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: want to see her, And then they put me in 196 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: this room. But then they told me there was like, 197 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: well you know she's going, and I just was like no, 198 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: like no, my busy, like nope, Like we was already weird, 199 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: already had clients like I played. She loved chocolate mills 200 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: and I putting chocolate mills in the cooler bar just before. 201 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, because when you wake up, you 202 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: know you have nice cool chocolate mills and still saving individuator. Yeah. 203 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm just like they just I don't know why it's 204 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 1: just me my kids. We is just a woman and 205 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: kids in the house. I don't know why it was 206 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: he targeted at all, Miss Graham. That's there, guys joining 207 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: me is Italia's mother, Veronica Graham, and she has just 208 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:12,479 Speaker 1: told you about what happened the evening. Italia was shot 209 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: in her own home, in the hallway of their home. 210 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: You know, to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't know 211 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: if you remember when my dad passed away a couple 212 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: of years ago, and we had a thing. He was 213 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: trying to talk to my mom to living with us, 214 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: and they'd spend a lot of time up here, and 215 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: every night after dinner, I'd asked my dad, can I 216 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: make you a decaf? And he go, oh, no, don't worry, 217 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: but I of course go make him one anyway. And 218 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: I remember at the hospital when he was about to 219 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: pass away, I was whispering in his ear. Everybody else 220 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: was saying, you can go, you can go ahead, and 221 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: I was literally in his ear, going, no, daddy, don't 222 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: do not leave me here. Come on, let's go home 223 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: and I'll make you a cup of decaf. And when 224 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: she's talking about that chocolate milk, that's what it makes 225 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: me think up what is it is? Our minds just 226 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: can't take in what's happening, and we want to go 227 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: back to what's normal to us. And Nancy you know. 228 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: I remember your book signing and your dad fainted. Do 229 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: you remember that that? I have never I feel like 230 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: crying right now. I have never heard someone scream like 231 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: you screamed. I heard you scream daddy, and I was like, 232 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: what the heck? And I turned around and your dad 233 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: had collapsed. It was that same, you know emotion that 234 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: Italia's mom is talking about and the boyfriend when he 235 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: ran down the hallway. I think our minds are not 236 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: prepared for that kind of loss. I mean, she had 237 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: been with Italia for five years. She just said it. 238 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Talia needed to hear her voice. The mother infant tie 239 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: is so strong that to accept that that tie has 240 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: been broken snapped, that the attachment has been pierced in 241 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: some way, it's unfathomable. You can't accept it in a moment. 242 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: She's going to be working on this for years. I've 243 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: said so many times on your show, grieving as disillusionment. 244 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: When you grieve, you dispossess yourself or dismantle the illusion 245 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: that your life will go forward with this one person. 246 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: But in this moment, it was still going forward. She 247 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: was putting the chocolate milk in the refrigerator, and it's 248 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: going to be a long, slow process for her crime 249 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, you gotta help us find 250 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: the person and figure out what happened to this beautiful 251 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: little girl. Just when you look at her picture, you'll 252 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: see what I mean, So innocent, so sweet, at home 253 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: with mommy. Why would someone shoot straight through the window 254 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: with this little girl inside? Who one of this child? Dad? Why? 255 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I've got a chip line for you. It's eight forty 256 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: three two eight five seven three oh five repeat eight 257 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: for three two eight five seven three zero five. Take 258 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WCSC Live five News. 259 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: This is Caitlin Stansell. Somerville police returned to the scene 260 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: this afternoon to look for more evidence and talk to 261 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: residence after a five year old girl was shot and killed. 262 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: We came out the police mean happened. Bullet holes remain 263 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: in the window of the home on Langley Drive. Authorities 264 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: says someone fired into the house from outside, leaving their 265 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: shell casings behind across the street. We'll shoot up the house. 266 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Man's that's just a cow with a right. Police say. 267 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Italia Brown was hit by one of those bullets while 268 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: inside her family's home around ten o'clock last night and 269 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: you killing journey. Anyone got much to do? Nothing? The 270 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: baby been five, just about to go to school. Neighbors 271 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: say they believe the house was targeted. It's hard on it. 272 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: I ain't gon lied to. Somerville police have not yet 273 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: released information about any known suspects in the case again 274 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: tipline eight four three two eight five seven three zero five. 275 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: In addition to Italia's mother Veronica Graham with me as 276 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: Pastor Thomas Ravenel joining us from the community. Pastor, thank 277 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: you for being with us. For preacher, what can you 278 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: tell me about what police are saying right now about 279 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: who would shoot a five year old little girl Nancy 280 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: and also said that the police is just as stunned 281 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: as we are. Very limited information coming in the night 282 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: of the visual you can see the experiension on the 283 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: police day were just as upset and said as we were. 284 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: But again, very limited information. We have a theme that 285 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: we ll see something, say something, and so we were. 286 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: On social media, majority of us have changed our profile puture, 287 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: I know myself and and mister Ronica, we've changed our 288 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: profile putre to Italia. Every day we're sharing the flyers, 289 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: but very little information is coming in at all, very little. 290 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate that because we need something 291 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: to work with. U. Pastor Ravenel joining me there from 292 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: Summer of Old South Carolina along with I tell you, 293 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: as mother Veronica Graham, let me bring in the rest 294 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: of the panel. You know, Lee Egan joining me. Lee 295 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: is reporter journalist joining me from crime online dot Com. Lee. 296 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: Are there any leads that you know of now, because 297 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: you've been investigating the case as well anything, Hey, Nancy, 298 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: there are no leads that we know of. There is 299 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: a saying going around that people in the community may 300 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: know and they're not saying anything. But as far as 301 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: what police have told us, nothing, absolutely nothing. Nellie. What 302 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: is the number one rule that I give you, and 303 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: that is when I ask you something, don't say I 304 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: don't know. Tell me what you think. But in this case, 305 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, nobody knows. And I find that really 306 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: hard to believe because isn't it true, Miss Graham, that 307 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: at that time of the night, August the six, it 308 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: was still a little bit daylight. Yes, an then when 309 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: shots ring out Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD 310 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: twenty two of that homicide. Author Seattle's Forgotten serial killer 311 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: Gary Jean Grant Cloyd. When you hear a gunshot, people stop. 312 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: It's like, as I said the other day on the air, 313 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: the first time I saw a junkie shoot up, you 314 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: know instinctively something's wrong. It's like when you hear a 315 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: rattlesnake for the first time, or you hear like somebody 316 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: racking a shotgun. It's instinctive, you know something is wrong 317 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: when you hear a gunshot. You want to tell me 318 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: in a neighborhood where children like where I grew up 319 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: would still be in the yard running at each other's 320 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: homes at eight thirty at night in the summertime. Oh yes, 321 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't even fully dark yet, and nobody saw a thing. 322 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: And this is fifty feet or less from their window. 323 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: That is not true. I don't believe that. Gloyd Steiger, Yeah, 324 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: there's no doubt people saw this, and for whatever reason, 325 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: don't want to tell. You know, the first murder I 326 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: ever investigated was very much like this little girl in 327 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: her house sleeping when somebody shot up the house and 328 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: they killed her. And in nineteen ninety four, and nobody 329 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: wanted the same thing. We actually were able to get 330 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: those guys because somebody made an anonymous tip, and maybe 331 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: somebody should just make an anonymous tip in this case 332 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: if they don't want to be called that at least 333 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: point the police in the right direction, then they can 334 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: work that way. But you know, this is this is 335 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: one of the defining works has ever happened to a parent. 336 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: And I always hated having to deal with parents because 337 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for him in the situation. But 338 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: that makes the police want to investigate and get this 339 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: guy almost as much as the mother does. I'm trying 340 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: to figure out what we know about the cause of death. 341 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: But first to ask you Willcott judge, trial lawyer, anchor 342 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: court TV at Ashley Willcot dot com, Ashley weigh in. Listen, 343 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: this is a senseless act of violence, needless to say. 344 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: First of all, bullets, we know there were bullets that 345 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: can then be placed with what type of gun. That's 346 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: information that everybody needs to know, because then they know 347 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: if there's a gun owner with that particular type of gun, 348 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: perhaps that someone that needs to be spoken to. Videos 349 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: this day and age, let me tell you something about 350 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: youth and young adults that I see in my court. 351 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: Everybody loves to video. Now that's good news to catch 352 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: a criminal. So I believe somewhere out there may be 353 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: videos that would give information to the police about who 354 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: did this. You know, I think you're right, Ashley Willcott, 355 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: and I want to circle back, following up on what 356 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: you're saying, Ashley to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State. 357 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: The Summerville Police say officers witnesses heard gunfire and they 358 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: saw a home that hadn't struck. Here's the critical part. 359 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: Multiple times, multiple times. This was not somebody shooting up 360 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: in the air for the heck of it, which is ridiculous. Anyway, 361 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: this is someone from about thirty to fifty feet away. 362 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at a picture of the home right now. 363 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: The home is about that window is about twenty five 364 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: thirty feet from the street at most. The street is 365 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: twenty feet wide at most. I'm looking at it and 366 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: I'm estimating I see where there are marks of crime 367 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: seemed tape, and that is telling me where the bullets were. 368 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: So multiple shots at a window, the lights on inside. 369 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: As Miss Graham just told us, there are different floodlights 370 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: on people's homes. It's a tree lined street. It looks 371 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: like I'll leave it to Beaver Street. It's a ranch home. 372 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: All the windows are on the ground floor. There are 373 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: some shrubs in front of some of the windows, not 374 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: all multiple shots, Joe Scott. That's telling me even more. 375 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: And let's talk about the weapon. Circling back to what 376 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: Ashley mentioned just a second ago, we had what we 377 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: know or spent casings. That means they have been ejected 378 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: from the weapon. That means that this is a semi 379 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: automatic weapon. Nancy, and even the casings themselves. Hey hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 380 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: hey talk, regular people talk. Most people don't have a 381 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: semi automatic weapon that they can compare to. I hope 382 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: they don't anyway, So go ahead, explain what you're saying. Yeah, 383 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: what we're talking about is most likely a handgun that 384 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: has a magazine in it. You know, you see in 385 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: movies where people you know will slide a magazine into 386 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: the grip. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, we're talking 387 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: about the death of a five year old little girl, beautiful, gorgeous. 388 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen her picture, you can see it 389 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Italia. I want to go 390 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: back to Veronica Graham. This is Italia's mother, but first 391 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Angela Brown joining us 392 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: today ABC News for Charleston. Glenderrik is a new dad 393 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: raising a son just around the block from her. Five 394 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: year wrote Italia Brown was shot and killed. Living next 395 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: door to glender Rick is Terrence Carter, a father himself. 396 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: That's my first born right here. So in a way, 397 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: it kind of really really hit home because I think 398 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: they're both my own Jill, you know so. I mean, 399 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: it's just a savo kids, and I pray for the family, 400 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: feel sorry for the family. Living next door to Glenderrick 401 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: is Terrence Carter, a father himself. The first thing you're 402 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: going to do really is calling check on your kids 403 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: and make sure you know. It kind of reminds you 404 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: to any day could be your last. Neighbors tell me 405 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: they often saw Italia writing bike plane because I see 406 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: you're all the time running by a sickle plane with 407 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: the town. Ye. If I got something canned or something again, 408 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: I'll give it gone. I mean, what your nakid autumn 409 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: got the Manta Today, a pink bike rests beside her home, 410 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: along with bullet holes in the window. Well go out 411 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: of the road to Italia's mother, joining me right now, 412 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Veronica Graham, Miss Graham, it has been said that a 413 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: stray bullet hit Italia. I don't believe it was a 414 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: stray bullet because there were at least two gunshots fired. 415 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: Nobody else in the neighborhood had their windows broken or 416 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: were fired at, and this was about thirty to fifty 417 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: feet from the window. It was clearly aimed, Miss Graham. 418 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 1: What are police telling you about their theory as to 419 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: who shot your daughter? Yeah? The only thing they told 420 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: me so far that they believed the person was on foot, 421 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: not driving, because the officer was at the stop sign, 422 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: and the stop sign is the way like the exit. 423 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: So they said they rewind the dashboard the dash camera 424 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: of the cop car, and they didn't see anybody leave 425 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: or anybody go. That's why the cops were able to 426 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: respond as fast as they did, because they were already 427 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: sitting sitting on the stop sign, by the stop sign, 428 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: so they believe it was somebody on the foot, So 429 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: somebody was walking around. Let me understand something thing, Pastor 430 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: Thomas Ravanel joining me there in summer of old Pastor, 431 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: could you tell me where the cop happened to be 432 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: at that moment, is that the only way in and 433 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: out of the Evergreen Subdivision. Yea, yeah, correct, Nancy. So 434 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: they were at the stop sign, so when you come in, 435 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: you make two right terms. So the corp was already 436 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: sitting at one in the sex and just patrolling the neighborhood. 437 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: So no vehicles came out after they heard the shoot him. 438 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: The only way to come out they would have to 439 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: have passed that cop, like Miss Graham said, So that's 440 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: why hardly we think the person who did it was 441 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: somebody who familiar what the neighborhood, was comfortable walking through 442 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: the neighblewood, being in the neighborood because and then we 443 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: did at a certain at a pointed time to fight 444 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: into the house. Joe Scott, We're gonna get this guy. 445 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna get him. This is a man that knows 446 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: the neighborhood that is on foot. We've just got double 447 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: confirmation that was the only way out and at that 448 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: moment to get into the Evergreen Subdivision. At that moment, 449 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: a cop happened to be sitting there. You know, I 450 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: know there are bad cops. I know that as well 451 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: as anybody, because I've had a couple of bad cops 452 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: that turned out to be witnesses on some of my cases. 453 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: But when I see a cop in our neighborhood patrolling 454 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: and driving by, that makes me feel good. What I'm 455 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: saying is that tells me a lot about who this 456 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: shooter is. I can also tell you right now, doctor 457 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall that it is a young male. What do 458 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: you think, Bethany. I think it's a young male too. 459 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: I think it's somebody with an extraordinary amount of energy, 460 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: somebody who has been in that neighborhood, who is very 461 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: familiar with the neighborhood, somebody who has deep ties into 462 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the community. Because I was looking at the footage and 463 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: there are children playing in the streets. All the neighbors 464 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: seem to know each other. This is a true community, Nancy, 465 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: so they are going to be aware if somebody is 466 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: walking down the street, who's a stranger. I don't believe 467 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: I was trying to look at a map. I don't 468 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: believe this house is near any big commercial district where 469 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: you're used to strangers kind of drifting in and out. 470 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: This is a close, tight knit community where people came 471 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: forward and spoke to the reporters. So there's a great 472 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: deal of familiarity. That's what makes me think that not 473 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: only would this be a young person with a lot 474 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: of energy, but somebody who would be known, somebody who 475 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: was hiding in plain sight. Somerville is part of the 476 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: Charleston North Charleston metropolitan area. It's like a bedroom community Charleston. 477 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: This is a residential neighborhood, tree Line Street. The yards 478 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: are covered in grass, their sidewalks. I want to go 479 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: now to Angela Brown, investigative reporter joining me from WCV 480 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: ABC for you heard her voice earlier. Angela, what do 481 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: you know the cops are doing right now to try 482 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: to find the shooter? Because I'm telling you right now, 483 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: this is a young male I would say thirty five 484 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: or under, most likely under thirty five, who either lived 485 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, lives in the neighborhood, or has relatives 486 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: or friends that live in the neighborhood, who was on 487 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: foot and owns a weapon. What are crops doing to 488 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: find the killer? You definitely think that someone in that 489 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: community knows this person. In fact, I've been texting with 490 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: the Summerville Police Department yesterday and even this morning, and 491 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: when they keep stressing is a need for many people 492 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: to come forward, but they're urging people to turnover in 493 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: these videotapes cameras, which remember body has a camera in 494 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: their house, if they have a camera on their home 495 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: and that was focused on that area, to turn over 496 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: the video. They seem to be in some ways at 497 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: a dead end here. Who have a also in some 498 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: sort of reward. There is an ad monetary amount of dispoint. 499 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: If they have a flyer, you know, asking people to 500 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: come forward with information, there will be some sort of reward. 501 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: But talking to the PIO I've been texting within the 502 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: last couple of days, he's been really stressing this need 503 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: for video and clips, and they believe that maybe cameras 504 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: on somebody's house that area who cons the whole thing, 505 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: and they're asking people to turn over that video and 506 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: to turn over their information. Well, I believe the police 507 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: need to go door to door to Pastor Thomas Ravenel, preacher, 508 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: what about going door to door at the cops or 509 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: two overburdened, can you form a group to go door 510 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: to door asking for a video? The yes, Nancy to 511 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: deal the vigil It rain. The rain caught us and 512 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: really threw everything off our plans that they were to 513 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: go into the neighborhood, knocking on doors and then have 514 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: andi visial. What we're planning on doing, hopefully next week 515 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: is we're coming back in the neighborhood and we're going 516 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: to every door in that neighborhood. The neighborhood stought is 517 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: a subdivision in the back and in the front, in 518 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: the back of the apartment complex where Miss Graham sees. 519 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: And what we're planning on doing next week because we're 520 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: coming back in there and we're gonna walk, but we're 521 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: gonna start in the neighborhood and we're gonna walk all 522 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: the way to the back and knock on every door. 523 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: Because I think everybody knows some cameras, even if the 524 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: house is a far distance, could have picked up some 525 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: of the footage. So we were just hoping and praying 526 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: that maybe there was a house or trailer distance a 527 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: week this pick something up. So you hit it right 528 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: on the head outside of my group parents again, Preacher, 529 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: you gotta do it, Preacher, you have to do this 530 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: thing for her. And another thing, isn't this right to you, 531 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: Clode Steiger. It may not be footage of the shooting. 532 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: It may be footage of someone walking or jogging or 533 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: running away. It could be so many different things. Cloyd, Yeah, 534 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. A matter of fact, it's much more 535 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: likely that it's not the shooting itself. But it doesn't 536 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: have to be. It just has to be a person 537 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: that you can see his clothes, you can see, uh 538 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: what there he has a gun at his hand or not, 539 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, there's there's video out there somewhere. You 540 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: just gotta find it, too. Ronic or Graham, this is 541 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: Italian's mother, Miss Graham. What do you want people to 542 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: hear from you today? I just want justice. It's all 543 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: just justice, some type of closure. I don't I don't 544 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: know why somebody would even do that, knowing we've been 545 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: staying over there for five years and she was born 546 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: over there, so it's not like when new to the 547 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: neighborhood or anything. So they just know it's just woman 548 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: and children in the house. So I don't know. I 549 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: just want to Miss Graham. I just gotta ask you, 550 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: when you wipe up in the morning, how do you 551 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: even keep going? Which can't can't? I have one? I 552 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: have a twelve year old daughter. That's my motivation. I've 553 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: still got to be strong for her. Guys, the tipline 554 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: is eight four three two eight five seven three zero five. 555 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: Please help us get justice for this beautiful little five 556 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: year old girl Italia. We wait as justice and falls. 557 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,