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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Talk to Jay billis here in a moment.

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Speaker 1: The ncia's best argument for refusing to allow players to

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Speaker 1: make money has always been that fans supposedly want their

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Speaker 1: college athletes to be unpaid. Well, the ncia's business model

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Speaker 1: would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America.

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Speaker 1: This according to Supreme Court Justice Cavanaugh. The ncia's business model.

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Speaker 1: He says, if you looked at all of the restaurants

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Speaker 1: in a region, they can't come together to cut the

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Speaker 1: cook's wages on the theory that customers prefer to eat

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Speaker 1: food from low paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to

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Speaker 1: cabin lawyers salaries in the name of protecting legal services

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Speaker 1: out of quote love of the law. Hospitals cannot agree

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Speaker 1: to capt nurse's income in order to create a purer

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Speaker 1: form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces

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Speaker 1: to her tail paid to reporters to preserve a tradition

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Speaker 1: of public minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash

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Speaker 1: benefits to camera crews to kindle a quote spirit of

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Speaker 1: amateurism in Hollywood. Powerful words from Justice Kavanaugh to bring in.

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Speaker 1: Jay Billis ESPN's college basketball analyst, Jay walks through yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What did it mean to you? What does it mean

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Speaker 1: to the sports world of the NCAA. Well, it was

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Speaker 1: a profound error in judgment on the part of the

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Speaker 1: NC Double A to position of the Supreme Court to

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Speaker 1: hear that case, because the lower court ruling in the

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Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit was actually pretty good for the NC Double

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Speaker 1: A and it preserved amateurism and what the NC Double

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Speaker 1: A considers its right to limit players compensation from schools

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Speaker 1: and from third parties. So that was that was the

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Speaker 1: first thing that hit me was how stupid and incompetent

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Speaker 1: But really, Dan, what this was about was, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court took this case because there was a

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Speaker 1: circuit split among federal courts with regard to how these

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Speaker 1: cases were being decided. And so what the NC Double

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Speaker 1: A really lost was its deference from the courts and

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Speaker 1: the presumption that their rules were were were pro competitive.

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Speaker 1: And so now they're gonna now every case they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to go through this rule what's called a

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Speaker 1: rule of reason test, which means they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to show and prove that there there are pro competitive

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Speaker 1: aspects to what they're doing and not anti competitive, and

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Speaker 1: like what you just read from Justice Kavanaughs concurring opinion,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be really hard for them to do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be able to and

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Speaker 1: so that was a huge mistake they made. I think

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Speaker 1: what this does now is it opens the door for

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Speaker 1: further litigation that's not just going to be on laptides.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be about laptops and tutors and internships.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be about name, image and likeness, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to be about contracting with the university for pay.

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Speaker 1: And there's no I don't think there's any way that

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Speaker 1: the nc double A is going to prevail on these

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Speaker 1: cases going forward. And the only hope they have is

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Speaker 1: going on both knees to Congress and saying, please give

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Speaker 1: us an antitrust exemption, which you've given to no other

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Speaker 1: multi billion dollar business in the country. Please give it

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Speaker 1: to us, because we've proven that we can do this right.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they're going to get that either.

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Speaker 1: What if the NCAA hired you as a lawyer and said,

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Speaker 1: make a case for us. What would you lead? Well,

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Speaker 1: well I would. I would have said leave it alone.

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Speaker 1: We won substantial parts of the case in the Ninth Circuit.

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Speaker 1: We lost a few few elements of it, but overall

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Speaker 1: this was good. Overall, the abandoned ruling was good because

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Speaker 1: it continues to allow the ncuble A to place cartel

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Speaker 1: restrictions on athletes like you just said that would be

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Speaker 1: allowed in no other business. The courts are still allowing

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Speaker 1: us to violate federal anti trust law, and we are

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Speaker 1: a serial federal anti trust law violator. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: take what we got and keep quiet and laying the

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Speaker 1: weeds and keep doing what we're doing. That's what I

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Speaker 1: would have told them. What if they hired you today,

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Speaker 1: I'd say, you're done. Now, it's over. Now you have

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Speaker 1: no shot that you did something so incompetent that you're

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to survive this now. So

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Speaker 1: now now you really have to turn your attention toward

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Speaker 1: Congress and really, Dan, So this is going to end

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Speaker 1: this ruling. The Alston ruling by the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 1: going to essentially stop the nc doublea's name, image and

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Speaker 1: anything now now. I said it back in October twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to do anything. There's the NCAA is

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Speaker 1: going to say they're going to do it. They're not

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Speaker 1: think that was proven right. But now what they're what

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Speaker 1: to say, all right, everybody can do what their state allows,

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Speaker 1: going to preempt all these state laws, give them one

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Speaker 1: national standard, and hopefully, from their perspective, give them the

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Speaker 1: continuing right to limit athletes in a way that the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court just said, that Justice Kavanat just said would

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Speaker 1: be illegal in any other business in America. So that's

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Speaker 1: now their their stance is, let us do something that

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Speaker 1: any other business. Can you imagine being in that position

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Speaker 1: now and the incompetence of that decision making. I just

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Speaker 1: cannot imagine. But I wonder with these states that are

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Speaker 1: going to have a head start with some of the

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Speaker 1: other states in recruiting. You know, Texas, now you bring

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Speaker 1: in recruits, you can pay them. You know, our school's

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Speaker 1: going to have an image advisor on staff. You know,

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Speaker 1: how do you get paid off of this? You have

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Speaker 1: to do it legally. I don't know. It just feels

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Speaker 1: like some states are going to have a little bit

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Speaker 1: Do you see that maybe? But so what that's what

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Speaker 1: competition looks like, Like we've gotten differing. You know. The

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Speaker 1: funny part of this, Dan is because we've had this

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Speaker 1: system for so long, people are going, well, how's this

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Speaker 1: going to work? What's going to happen? It's so complicated.

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Speaker 1: How are we going to do it? Not that you're

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Speaker 1: doing this, but but that's you know, it's like breathless

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Speaker 1: and we've had drastic change on the revenue side since

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Speaker 1: Like nobody is, well, how are we going to pay

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Speaker 1: all our coaches? Like do we pay all the coaches

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Speaker 1: the same? What do we give coach k the same

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Speaker 1: as we give John Shier, Like, what do we do?

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Speaker 1: What do we do? You know, it's really not that

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Speaker 1: big of a deal, and it'll work just fine. We

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Speaker 1: now they can offer coaches more compensation. They're all the

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Speaker 1: no income tax. It's all fine. It may be a factor,

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Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. And name, image

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Speaker 1: and likeness. If one state differs from another, it'll all

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Speaker 1: work itself out. Other states may increase what they allow,

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Speaker 1: will be fine. We don't need a national standard with

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Speaker 1: regard to speed limits. We don't need it with regard

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Speaker 1: name imaged likeness. It is just the double as saying

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Speaker 1: the sky is falling. The sky is falling. We have

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Speaker 1: to be allowed to do this or it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a problem. But if you looked at it on

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Speaker 1: the revenue generation side this. College sports have changed incredibly

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Speaker 1: NC double A was before the Supreme Court and lost

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Speaker 1: as an antitrust violating But nobody's had a problem with it,

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Speaker 1: and the business has thrived, and it'll thrive now. It

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Speaker 1: is not that big of a deal that the players

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Speaker 1: And one last thing gain there are far more non

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Speaker 1: athlete students that get scholarships than athletes. So when we

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Speaker 1: to a non athlete? And why aren't why aren't they

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Speaker 1: restricted in what they can earn or accept while they're

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Speaker 1: it's profoundly wrong and has been forever, and the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court just said is profoundly wrong. And every court in

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Speaker 1: the land now has heard that, and the NCABLEA is

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Speaker 1: not going to get protection from the courts anymore. That

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Speaker 1: part of it is over, and it's over because of

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Speaker 1: their incompetence and the timing of this, because the NCAA

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Speaker 1: might be voting on that twelve team playoff today, which

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Speaker 1: is going to generate even more revenue. And so I

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Speaker 1: just that juxtaposition of you know, these athletes saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we gotta vote on this twelve team playoff here. Funny,

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Speaker 1: how that's not too complicated? I mean remember when remember

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Speaker 1: Do we pay everybody the same? How do we value it?

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Speaker 1: how are we going to figure this out? Do we

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Speaker 1: coach of secretary that works just as hard. We don't

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Speaker 1: do that. These schools know exactly whom to recruit and

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Speaker 1: It is not this hard, and it's in the nc

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Speaker 1: double a's interest to make it seem complicated. It's not complicated.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just business and they'll figure it out just fine.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had we had conference realignment and nobody

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Speaker 1: stopped watching. We have coach at When I played for

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Speaker 1: Coach k back in the ADC, he probably made fifty

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand bucks. He's making ten million. Now, nobody stopped watching.

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Speaker 1: We flew commercial and rode on buses. They fly private. Now,

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Speaker 1: nobody stopped watching, and they're not going to stop watching.

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Speaker 1: If if a player can do it, if Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: you know, this is all nonsense, and the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: called it out as such. What happens next, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think what happens next is the NCAA puts the breaks

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Speaker 1: on their name, image and likeness legislation and they basically

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Speaker 1: just say every school can do. Now, what their state

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Speaker 1: foul of NCAA buy laws. And they'll see what happens,

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Speaker 1: and then they'll go to Congress and they'll keep lobbying

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Speaker 1: Congress to say, please, please, please bail us out of

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Speaker 1: though we say we're just like you and we're a

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Speaker 1: be really hard for Congress to give them a safe

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Speaker 1: you call it? N s grow that I get when

428
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Speaker 1: I get out? Um, which you know, think about that.

429
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Speaker 1: That's that's insane, insane. What, Well, you didn't have money

430
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Speaker 1: growing up and oh and you could take care of

431
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Speaker 1: your family right away with something like that. Well of course,

432
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Speaker 1: but and you know, the argument I hear from from

433
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Speaker 1: people who've been anti paying players in college forever is well,

434
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Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want an athlete driving around

435
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Speaker 1: and an escalade on campus. You know, I don't really

436
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Speaker 1: is that what you have a problem with? You? You

437
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Speaker 1: don't seem to have a problem with Buffy and Mark

438
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Speaker 1: over in the fraternity and sorority that are driving their

439
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Speaker 1: dad's escalade or their their Mercedes. These are these are

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Speaker 1: at least the guy. They earned this money with something

441
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Speaker 1: they did. But how how are you presented an offer

442
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Speaker 1: like that? It wasn't through me, It wasn't to me.

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Speaker 1: It was for sure through my fab through my parents

444
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Speaker 1: or my coaches. Oh well, okay, I was. You know,

445
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Speaker 1: kids are too young. I think I hope kids are

446
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: too young to have than to have adults company to them.

447
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Speaker 1: Offering them. You know, could you would have said yes, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have said. I I

449
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Speaker 1: know what I would have said. I would have immediately

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Speaker 1: told my dad, told my mom, and see what they

451
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Speaker 1: were gonna say. So yeah, I mean, but you know,

452
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Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen year old kid, you have no idea what's

453
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Speaker 1: going on in life. You know much less um you know,

454
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Speaker 1: big time college athletics. Help me understand Ben Simmons. If

455
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Speaker 1: you're if you're on the seventy sixers coaching stuff like

456
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Speaker 1: you're Doc Rivers. So what does the offseason constitute in

457
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Speaker 1: relationship to Ben Simmons. You know, I see a lot

458
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Speaker 1: of a lot of hate going on out there with Ben,

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Speaker 1: And look, I get it, he's playing professional sports. But

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Speaker 1: again he's a he's very young. We didn't we didn't

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Speaker 1: jump on Ray Jean Rondo when he couldn't shoot. After

462
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Speaker 1: you know, his shooting was an issue. He got better.

463
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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, he got better. We weren't expecting them to

464
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Speaker 1: be great shoot. I remember Jason Kidd and I compare

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Speaker 1: Ben a lot with Jason. You know, Ben's bigger, but

466
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Speaker 1: they played very much the same. We used to get

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Speaker 1: mad at Jason during games because he wouldn't shoot the ball.

468
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Speaker 1: He didn't have confidence enough to shoot the ball. We

469
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Speaker 1: had a veteran team, and if I came off a

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Speaker 1: screen or kJ came off a screen and Jason wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to shoot it, we had two guys and I

472
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Speaker 1: had two guys in my lap, so we had to

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Speaker 1: beg Jason to shoot it. There's has to be something

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Speaker 1: that goes on with Ben, and I know it's a

475
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Speaker 1: confidence that. Obviously it's a confidence thing. He has no

476
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Speaker 1: confidence shooting a jump shot. And I can't imagine what

477
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Speaker 1: that feels like because he is extraordinary in every other

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Speaker 1: facet of the game, every other facet. And I'm not

479
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Speaker 1: ready to say you can't win with Ben Simmons as

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Speaker 1: a point guard in this league because he's a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: basketball player. But he has to put the work in.

482
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Speaker 1: It has to come every single day. But what is

483
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Speaker 1: that though? This isn't just going out there and shooting

484
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Speaker 1: one hundred free throws. I gotta put you in a

485
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Speaker 1: game situation where these free throws actually matter, like it's

486
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Speaker 1: really important, Like if you missed this, the entire team

487
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Speaker 1: runs ten wind sprints or whatever is there has to

488
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Speaker 1: be stakes attached to it. Shaq could make twenty in

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Speaker 1: a row in practice. Yeah, you know, I would say,

490
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Speaker 1: look at it. Look at a young man right now.

491
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Speaker 1: Like mcail bridges in Phoenix. If you remember a year ago,

492
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Speaker 1: he had one of the worst jump shots you've ever seen.

493
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Speaker 1: He got a real hitch in it where he almost

494
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Speaker 1: couldn't release it. It was like a three part jump shot.

495
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Speaker 1: And he went to work during the pandemic, and I

496
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Speaker 1: mean to tell you he's a different guy now. It's

497
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Speaker 1: it's muscle memory. It's a commitment, though, it's a commitment

498
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Speaker 1: to going in and not shooting a hundred shots. It's

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Speaker 1: shooting five hundred shots a day and being committed to

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Speaker 1: being a better shooter. The second he starts feeling a

501
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: little bit of confidence, his whole world will change. And

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Speaker 1: I still believe he's going to be able to shoot

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Speaker 1: the basketball. I hope. So anyway, I wonder if he

504
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Speaker 1: can stay in Philadelphia though, Rex, I don't know that

505
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Speaker 1: that ship may have sailed tough City. Look, it's not

506
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Speaker 1: for everybody. I'm not sure that Ben and Joel are

507
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Speaker 1: a great match. Yea, So maybe it is time. Well

508
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: and mclovin just brought this up that when Ben was

509
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Speaker 1: the star, when Joel Embiid was out, he put up

510
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Speaker 1: like forty two points against Utah. He made eleven or

511
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Speaker 1: thirteen free throws. There, it's there. I just don't know

512
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Speaker 1: if that mental block is going to stay there. And

513
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Speaker 1: that might be you got it like Mark el Foltz

514
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: couldn't stay in Philadelphia. He needed to get out. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you get Ben on a team

516
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Speaker 1: that doesn't have great expectations and then he can be

517
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: he can grow his confidence. Whereas Philadelphia the bar is

518
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: so high. They brought in Doc to win a championship

519
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: and you know, you got an MDP candidate in Beads,

520
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: you got Tobias Harris. You're spending all that money on

521
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Speaker 1: the stakes maybe are too high for him, and I

522
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: think he needs to almost dual reset. That's okay, he

523
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Speaker 1: can do that. I mean, there's gonna be no show

524
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Speaker 1: the teams that want Ben. Simmons's young. He's one of

525
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: the top, you know, young players in the NBA's a

526
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: physical freak of nature, fast vision, all of that. When

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Speaker 1: I watch him play, I do right now, I see

528
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Speaker 1: a little bit of I'm going to go back to Jason,

529
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Speaker 1: but just it's his insecurity shooting the basketball. And when

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Speaker 1: he's on the floor with you said at Tobias Harris

531
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Speaker 1: and Seth Curry and guys who are snipers like that,

532
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: you can almost see him catch the ball and be

533
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Speaker 1: anxious to get the ball to them because he knows

534
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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's what they do best. So I

535
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: think he's going through just growing pains as a young

536
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Speaker 1: player and in one of the toughest sports cities in

537
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Speaker 1: the country. He's Wrecks Chapman, former NBA player, Kentucky hoop

538
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Speaker 1: Star and Twitter legend. His podcast his Charges who's been

539
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: on charges as of late? And again you're looking at

540
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: guys who've had troubled past. We've certainly talked about what

541
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: yours has been, so it's full disclosure on your part.

542
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Speaker 1: But who are some of the guests had recently? Oh Man,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, well recently Um Chris Heron had Chris On,

544
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Speaker 1: which was just a fantastic pod. Um. I did one

545
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Speaker 1: that's actually coming out today that I'm really excited about.

546
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Speaker 1: As a guy that I don't know much about hockey.

547
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Speaker 1: I thought hockey was a new sport in the South

548
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Speaker 1: when ESPN came on in the well you're growing up

549
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Speaker 1: in Kentucky, you were exactly, I what is this? That?

550
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Speaker 1: And the cross? What is this? So? Um? I forget

551
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Speaker 1: where where was you got a hockey player that? Oh?

552
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Speaker 1: Oh we got I got, I got Chris Knuckles Nylon.

553
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: Just uh, fascinating story. And then coming out next week.

554
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: I believe we've got a two parter with Stevie Jackson

555
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: and Matt Barnes coming up, So we'll release half the

556
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Speaker 1: Smoke one week and the rest of the Smoke uh

557
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Speaker 1: week two. But that that really is fascinating. I'm having

558
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Speaker 1: so much fun with it. It's just it's awesome getting

559
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Speaker 1: to know these guys and letting them tell their stories

560
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: in their own words. You know Chris Herron's story. You know,

561
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: he was a high school legend in Masson in Boston,

562
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: played for Jerry tark Tarkanian and then you know, when

563
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: we've had him on, he he's scoring drugs in warmups

564
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: when he was playing for the Celtics, he was getting

565
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: he was scoring oxy while wearing his uniform, his warmups. Yeah, yeah,

566
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Speaker 1: you know, the funny thing. Funny, but the thing with

567
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: Chris Herron and spoke with Knuckles Nyland, all three of

568
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Speaker 1: us to a person document nineteen ninety nine and two

569
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Speaker 1: thousand as the jumping off point for just going down

570
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Speaker 1: the toilet with our lives, which was when we were

571
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Speaker 1: all three introduced to oxyconton and it was a monster

572
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Speaker 1: that we just could you know, we were we were

573
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Speaker 1: one of those We were three of those people that

574
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: really get along well with painkillers makes us feel extraordinarily good.

575
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: And uh, it just uh it started it years for

576
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: all three of us of addiction and real problem. So

577
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Speaker 1: I'm just thrilled that these guys were able to come

578
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Speaker 1: on and tell their stories and that that they've lived

579
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: through to see the other side. But the fact that

580
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: he's out there, I mean, you really need to store

581
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Oh you do. And and Dan, I can't. I can't

582
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Speaker 1: even tell you what that's like. It there comes a

583
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Speaker 1: point where you're so dependent on that physiologically, I mean,

584
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: you you start feeling it, you start feeling sick, and

585
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: the only thing you can think about is getting that

586
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Speaker 1: pill and putting it in your mouth and getting it

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Speaker 1: into your system. Is and I would just chew him

588
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: up just to get him into my blood stream. They

589
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: taste like crap, you know, But just to get him

590
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: into my blood scream quicker. And nothing is more important

591
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: to think about that he was out minutes to go

592
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: before starting lineups and he's standing on the corner up

593
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Speaker 1: there at the garden waiting for his oxy dealer. It's

594
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: it's madness, it's insane thinking. But that's where we where

595
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: we were at the time. I got jim Jackson on

596
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: Next Hour. You he's the best Jimmy Jackson at just

597
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: to say, but if I forget was an unbelievable basketball player,

598
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: he gave me fits. Uh might be a better analyst.

599
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: He's an unbelievable basketball analyst. And he put you on

600
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: lockdown occasionally. Oh did he I think he gave me

601
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Speaker 1: fifty one. I was coming back from a from a

602
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: thumb injury and and uh, they went at me. He

603
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: was in Dallas, and uh, I think you have to

604
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Speaker 1: ask him about it, But I think he gave me

605
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Speaker 1: fifty one. Michael never gave me fifty. Jimmy Jess gave

606
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Speaker 1: me fifty. Yeah. Do you think guys circled that that

607
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: game on their calendar when they knew that they were

608
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: they were gonna face you? I hope so, because I

609
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: circled down. Yeah, yeah, but who did you? Who did

610
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Speaker 1: you know you were gonna have a great game? You

611
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: just couldn't wait, You'd never, you'd never. Yeah you can, Okay,

612
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Speaker 1: Vinny del Negro, you knew, you knew you were gonna

613
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: light up Vinny del Negro. No, man, I can't. I

614
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: can't say that Vinnie was great? Just did No? I didn't, Okay,

615
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, you could light up Vinny del Negro.

616
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Speaker 1: N he's my guy. Yeah, yeah, well not anymore more. Hey,

617
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you as always. Um so

618
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: no Kawai, no Chris Paul tonight, but you get to

619
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: watch Devin Booker. Oh man, how much fun are these sons?

620
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm a homer, of course I'm biased. Um,

621
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: but look at what's look at what's left. The Sons

622
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: are the most complete team left. I feel like they defend,

623
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: They defend like they defend better than any of the

624
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: teams left. They share the ball like a college team.

625
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about Monnie Williams. And and I've

626
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: been around this squad song, then you know what a

627
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: college atmosphere feels like. And when it's really good, it's

628
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: really good. These players love Monty Williams like they love

629
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: their their favorite college coach to a person, He's come

630
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: in and he's changed the culture. James Jones and Robert

631
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: Sarver made a great hire and the culture has completely changed.

632
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Devin Booker's obviously a star. DeAndre Ayden's come leaps and bounds.

633
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: So look out for the Suns if they get Chris

634
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: back and are healthy. I don't know anybody can beat them.

635
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: I would ask you this, but I know the answer

636
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna know the answer. Where can people

637
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: find your podcast charges? I'm gonna say anywhere you can

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Speaker 1: find your podcast Apple, Spotify to all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio charges. Look at you, Okay, get out. Look I'm

640
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: getting the hang of it. You are You are looking

641
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: y'all growed up? Yeah, Cat, you mature in there, and

642
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: it looks like you made your bed too well. I did.

643
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: I got in trouble for not doing that last time. Look, Dan,

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00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: when you go hardship out of college, you got it

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00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: takes some time, you know. I love it. Back then,

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00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Rex went hardship? Was it really? Were you hardship? Back home?

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00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, how much did your dad make it?

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00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: At the time. Oh man, he didn't make very much, right,

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00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't making very much. Yeah, but back then you

650
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Speaker 1: could go hardship. That's what it was called going hardship. Um,

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00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: And I remember, well, almost nobody did it at the

652
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: time that I was doing it. It It kind of slowed down,

653
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't intend on leaving any way. We were

654
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: going on probation. You know that because not because of you, rightly,

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00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: that's a long time ago. I had Mashburn on Jamal

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00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Mashburn on my other pot I do with Josh Hopkins,

657
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: the Rex Chapman Show. And had Mashburn on a few

658
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago or a month or so ago, and he

659
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: was going through he said, you know that year, you know,

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Speaker 1: the first year I came in, we had a great year,

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Speaker 1: but we couldn't make the tournament. We were on probation.

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00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: I said, sorry, I didn't that team go thirteen and

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Speaker 1: thirteen that year that year and they're on probation with Patino.

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Speaker 1: They may they may have, they may have, I don't know.

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I lose track it round. I did a story on

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Speaker 1: Kentucky basketball that year, but was that the Chris Mills FedEx.

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00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, well, if I would have stayed in school

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00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: and gone on to be a junior. Our team would

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Speaker 1: have been myself, Chris Mills, Eric Manuel laurn Ellis, and

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00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: Sean Kemp. Oh, that's a squad. That's a squad. That's

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00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: a that's an NCAA investigation, is what it is. It

672
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: never materialized, Sean Kemp. Wasn't it that Eddie Sutton's son

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00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: took his SAT test for allegedly your your your confusing stories? Okay, yeah, yeah,

674
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was all kind of going on. You know,

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00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: it's easy to get confused when it comes to Kentucky

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00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: basketball there, Rex, because we're so damn Yes. Absolutely, that's

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00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 1: what I went to many titles. That's what you're talking.

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Speaker 1: You should be wearing your uniform tonight, your your phoenix.

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00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: Well you got a lot of uniforms. Yeah, maybe I'll

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00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: just wear my uniform. That would be great. Like just

681
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: go with your socks and your shoes. Just walk in, yeah,

682
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: socks and she tape. Yeah yeah, And nobody's gonna think, wow,

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00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: that's really Rex Chapman. They'll be like, dude is dressing

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Speaker 1: up like Rex Chapman. I did that one year for Halloween. Here,

685
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: you dressed up as you yea, wait were you sober

686
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: at the time? Fifty five? A jump off? Who knows?

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: Have fun tonight? Behave Okay? Thanks, that's Rex Chapman and

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: his podcast is charges. It's uh, it's great revealing. He

689
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: sent me a couple of episodes that I got to

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00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: kind of scream for him. But he's doing great. Thanks

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00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon

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00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and

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Speaker 1: you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR

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Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, it's Ben,

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Speaker 1: host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller along with

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Speaker 1: my trustee sidekick David Gascon. Would mean a lot to

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Speaker 1: have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're

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Speaker 1: asking one in God's name is the Fifth Hour? I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you it's a spin off of it Maller Show,

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Speaker 1: Colt hit overnights on FSR. Why should you listen? Picture

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Speaker 1: if you will a world will we chat with captains

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Speaker 1: of industry in media, sports and more. Every week Explorer

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Speaker 1: some amazing facts about a human nature and more. Let's

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Speaker 1: sen to the Fifth Hour with Ben Mallow on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're just reminiscing during the commercial break this day and

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Speaker 1: show history. We were in Milwaukee at the Brewers game

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Speaker 1: and took part in the sausage races there. Mclovin ended

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Speaker 1: up winning. Todd finished d f l. In fact, even

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Speaker 1: the broadcasters for the Brewers said, this is embarrassing, but

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Speaker 1: you did finish. I did. I was passed that, but

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Speaker 1: that had to be the worst last place finishing the

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Speaker 1: history of the sausage race. I can't imagine anyone did

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Speaker 1: that any slower than me. It was a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun and we got some mileage out of that and

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Speaker 1: they didn't ask us to come back. So Todd throughout

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00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: the first pitch and I said, you have to go

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00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: out there with no sleeves on, showed the guns, and

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Speaker 1: you had to go pro on. The had like a

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Speaker 1: medium white underwarmed shirt that I had no business wearing

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Speaker 1: that size, just showing up way too much waste. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're a man, Candy. I mean that's what we were.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're put down and if my arms sneakers,

725
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: it's what the ladies wanted to see there used to

726
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Speaker 1: be a baseball player. Ted Klazuski played for the Cincinnati Reds.

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00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: He had cut off sleeves, he had big guns and

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: played for the Cincinnati Reds. Yeah, they allowed him to

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00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: wear cuff seas in the game. Yeah. He just had

730
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: like it looked like a vest, like a vest and

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00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: gun show. Yeah, it was the gun show. Absolutely, they

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Speaker 1: should do that now, guys would love it. We had

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Speaker 1: Rex Chapman on last hour and I said, hey, we

734
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: got Jim Jackson coming on in final hour. He goes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Jim put fifty on me. So Jim was

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Speaker 1: on the call for Game seven between the Hawks and

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Speaker 1: seventy six Ers on Sunday night and him joint just

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Speaker 1: now do you remember putting fifty up on Rex Chapman? Jim, Uh,

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Speaker 1: not quite fifty, maybe forty four. Oh, so you remember exactly, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: was a Rex might have been on that. It was

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Speaker 1: that's when they were the Washington Bullets, Okay, when we

743
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: were when we played them. Actually as ironic Dan, it's

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00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: aid night before I tore my ankle up when we

745
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: went to Jersey. But I think Rex was on that

746
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: Washington team when that went down a little bit was

747
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: a little bit? Was he guarding you? Evidently no. Now,

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00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Rex said that he looked forward to facing Vinnie del

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Speaker 1: Negro because he knew he'd probably have a little easier night.

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Speaker 1: Who did you, Who did you look forward to? Where

751
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: you just went, Oh, I gotta circle that on the calendar. Uh,

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00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be honest with you, man. It

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00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: was during that time I had the ball, so much

754
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: of it didn't matter because I was always going to

755
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: have a ball, and now I had. It was tough

756
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: two guards at the time to play against Rex was

757
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: one of them, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller. Michael was out

758
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: of the league right when I got in because he retired.

759
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: Clyde Drexeler. It wasn't It never was an easy night,

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Speaker 1: I would say, in the league at that time because Dan,

761
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: if you remember, centers, two guards and probably power forwards

762
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: were your meat of your team. So it was never

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Speaker 1: a Guarding Rex was hard because Rex ran off a

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Speaker 1: lot of screens that chase him around the whole night.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was extremely difficult. How would your game

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Speaker 1: be now if you were playing It's a great question,

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00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, what, it'd be totally different. You know Alonzo

768
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Speaker 1: Mourning right, good friend of mine, right, He said, Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: you know if I played in this era, you know

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Speaker 1: I would dominate, that would do I said, no, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: He said, what you mean, I said, because not that

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Speaker 1: you couldn't. You would be talented. I said, but at

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Speaker 1: the age of eleven and twelve, you wouldn't be posted

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Speaker 1: up on the block. You be picking pop three point shooter,

775
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: handling the ball. So you'll be a totally different player.

776
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: And I would be a totally different player because I

777
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: was a post guard that stayed in the paint mid range.

778
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: I got my three point ball later after my injury.

779
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: But I would be a totally different player just based

780
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: upon how kids grew up and played the game than

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Speaker 1: I was when I played. Rex Chapman brought up the

782
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Speaker 1: comparison to Ben Simmons, and he said Jason Kidd, because

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Speaker 1: Jason through most of his career wasn't a good shooter,

784
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Speaker 1: didn't want to take the shot. And Rex said that

785
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: they would get mad at him and say, you gotta

786
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Speaker 1: at least take shots. So we're not double team when

787
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Speaker 1: we you know, we come off a pick your man

788
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Speaker 1: is going to double team is and you know, I

789
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Speaker 1: know we're all trying to be therapist here and psychiatrist

790
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: with with Ben Simmons, I don't know if this is

791
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: a simple fix. Jim, what would you do if if

792
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: Ben is, if you took him under your wing? You

793
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Speaker 1: know first, I mean, that's a great compare rion with

794
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Speaker 1: Jay Kidd. I didn't think about that. But the difference

795
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Speaker 1: with Jason. Jason wasn't afraid to attack and still get

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Speaker 1: to the basket, even though he struggled sometimes at the

797
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: free throw line early on. Jay would never have shied

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00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: back away from attacking and then still making a play.

799
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Speaker 1: Ben would not. Now, we had to imploy Jason to

800
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: shoot too early in his career, but that turned out

801
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: to be great for him, I mean later on. And

802
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: then it's hard to get into somebody's mind. You've been

803
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: around the game, games and professional sports enough to know

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00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: that until a person wants to seek help, you can't

805
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: help them. Okay, if you're still telling yourself in the mirror,

806
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: and you look at yourself and say that I really

807
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: don't need help, I can solve it. There's nothing that

808
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: advice we can do. Look entertain the entertainer had it

809
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: when they have stage fright. Okay. People who are public speaking, okay,

810
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: they can be great in front of a small audience,

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Speaker 1: but get him into a bigger audience and more people,

812
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: they don't perform as well. So it's not just a

813
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: sports thing. It's a psyche thing. And until that individual

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Speaker 1: says I need and will accept some kind of help,

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Speaker 1: it's really nothing you can do about it. But can

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00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: you change his form? Like at this age he's going

817
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: to be twenty five and a couple of weeks but

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00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: it's nothing. But he has good form. That's the that's

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Speaker 1: the killer part. Then it's not like he goes up

820
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: there and he has a hitchen and shot okay, but

821
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Speaker 1: he has a good form. But it's like this, it's

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Speaker 1: a guy that goes and puts in the world. Ben

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00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: Simmons works on his game. People say, well, he should

824
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Speaker 1: go and work shoot all his free throw. He does that.

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00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Sam Casselle, we were going out to dinner in Philadelphia

826
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Speaker 1: during the he was Game two. He's like, I can't go.

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Speaker 1: I gotta go to the gym with Ben seven o'clock

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Speaker 1: at night and shoot free throw. It's not that he

829
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: doesn't work on it not that his form is not there.

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Speaker 1: Is that when he gets in the game and doesn't

831
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Speaker 1: have immediate just is just me immediate results, all of

832
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: that goes out the window. All of that work you

833
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: put in is left on the practice court. And that's

834
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: the look at Mark halle Folts. Now, remember the Trump

835
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: struggles Mark hill Faults had in Philadelphia. Sometimes maybe a

836
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: change of Zipco helps Mark halle Folks got out of

837
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Philly and now his game has trended upward mentally, he's

838
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: in a better place. And I'm not blaming it all

839
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Speaker 1: on Philly, but sometimes you need to be removed out

840
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: of a situation that's not as comfortable in order for

841
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: you to get out of the uncomfortable situation you're in. Yeah,

842
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: I maintain that if you do trade him, you're not

843
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: going to get dollar for dollar. But maybe he goes

844
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Speaker 1: to a team that doesn't have the expectations the seventy

845
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Speaker 1: six ers had when Joe l Embiid is out of

846
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Speaker 1: their gym. He ben Ben feels like, looks like, plays

847
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: like a different player. Oh yeah, totally different. I mean

848
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: he attacks differently and I don't know too as if

849
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. Damn where he's comfortable being Robin.

850
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, with Joel Embi the pressure is more on

851
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: MB but he don't understand the pressure is on him too.

852
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: But you made a point and I said this, you

853
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: know before when him beat is out, I mean out

854
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: like Dnp's gonna be out a few games. Ben's game

855
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: is totally different. His mentality is totally different. So which

856
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: tells us that if he's in a situation maybe in

857
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: another franchise, that's maybe the mentalitity that he has. You know,

858
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: at the time that he's on the court. I got

859
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 1: more concerns with the Greek freak than I do Ben

860
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Simmons at the line. The Greek freak can't pull the trigger.

861
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: He shoots air balls. He doesn't have good form. That's

862
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: a bigger concern. But he's a better player than Ben,

863
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: and we sort of whitewash the other stuff. He's one

864
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: of the best players in the game. He's shooting air balls.

865
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: Jim from the free throw line. Yeah, but you but

866
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: you know what, the let gonna say that Karl Malone

867
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: came into the league and he was like in the

868
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: mid forties free throw shooter. Yeah, ended up probably over

869
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: his career in the mid seventies. Tim Duncan wasn't a

870
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: great free throw shoot coming into the league, but they

871
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: worked on it. I think I love about Greek is this.

872
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: You can get on them about shooting the threes, you

873
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: can get on about the free throws, but at least

874
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: he's up there. He doesn't leave it on the practice

875
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: court like Ben does. At times. He's not afraid to

876
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: go and get filed. Okay, guys feed off of that

877
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: on your team. Keep think about that too. There's some

878
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: guys that shot airballs before they're a great free throw shoot. Now,

879
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: maybe not as many as Yannis has in his career,

880
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: but I'm not mad at Yannis because at least Giannis

881
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: has a confidence to take the shot, to get to

882
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: the basket and lay game situations at times, and not

883
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: afraid to be at the free thrower. I think he

884
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: would become a better free throw shooter, meaning you know,

885
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: low seventies. I think he will because he works at it.

886
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: He believes well importantly, Dan, he believes that he can

887
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: become a better free throw shoot. We're talking to Jim Jackson,

888
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Fox and Turner Sports NBA analyst. He was on the

889
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: call game seven Hawks in the seventy six ers on

890
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Sunday Night. We've been talking about this name, image and

891
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: likeness for college athletes. Uh that that's it's it's happening.

892
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: It's coming our way. But imagine you're going into college

893
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. You're a big deal. You know, you

894
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: could have cashed in probably a big time right locally. Yeah, yeah,

895
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: you know what, and it's it's about time. And we've

896
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: got to keep in mind too, it's not like every

897
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: player benefits the same because it's really you know, your

898
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: most popular players are the one's going to sell a

899
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of journey. You're in a fifty two man roster,

900
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: fifty five million roster football, I mean, but you gotta

901
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: have maybe five or sixty guys that really benefit from it.

902
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, big time benefit that the university pumps up.

903
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: But still it's something now, I know a lot of

904
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: coaches are you know, in between, because it's a recruiting

905
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: advantage in regards to some aspects. Some schools have a

906
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: bigger alumni base, a bigger TV deal, a big this,

907
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: and they're going to use that to say, well, hey,

908
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you come to our university, endorsement wise,

909
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: you're able to pick up X amount of dollars, which

910
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: is true, but it's still to the benefit of the

911
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: of the student athlete, whether that's male or female. Rex

912
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: said that he was offered five hundred thousand dollars annuity

913
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: that that his They were going to put it in

914
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: escrow at school. He didn't say who it was, but

915
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: he said that he was offered that through his parents.

916
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: What was the biggest offer you guy, right, Tommy's pizza.

917
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: Tommy's pizza. Bro. Wait, you didn't get anything. No, you

918
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: were a big deal. If somebody got something, yeah, but

919
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: I didn't if somebody but we didn't play that when

920
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: I came out of my parents. In the group that

921
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: I was with coming out of high school, we just

922
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: didn't go down that road. We just we never did.

923
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: My father was one like this, look, if you take

924
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: something from somebody, that means you owe him something. So

925
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure something dad. I worked all the way

926
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: through high school. I was a caddy. I cleaned cars.

927
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: I worked at my grade school mopping floors, waxing floors.

928
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: Always had a job. When I was in college for

929
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: two years. I worked at Dean Winner in the summer

930
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: for two years and I sold Furniture and Value City

931
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: my junior year in the summer. I can imagine me

932
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: coming up saying, Okay, you want to get some Scotch

933
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: dard for your sofa, so I can upsell, so I

934
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: can upsell you to get more money. Okay, duh. Let

935
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: me tell you a story. Dad. He was summertime in July,

936
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: a tent sale outside on Morris Roll. How does all

937
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: hell get out and I'm out there trying to sell

938
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: a sofa? Okay? But it's because my father and my

939
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: parents taught me that it's you, you go get it.

940
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: You don't have to anybody anything. So I feel good

941
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: about myself getting that easily. Check that I didn't have

942
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: to worry about looking over my shoulder because I didn't

943
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: take anything from anybody. Now I got some free food.

944
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: You know, people would take care of me and do

945
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But as far as like green backs, no, bro,

946
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: were you any good at sell? Well, I'm gonna tell

947
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: you what. It's a competitive business because hey, you notice,

948
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: like when people walk in the doors, a salesperson that

949
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: jumps up on you real quick. Yeah, that's because you

950
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: got a percentage of sell. You weren't on salary. Bro,

951
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: you had to sell. You had to kill what you eat. Okay,

952
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: And man, they saw me in there. They was like,

953
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't care, this young kid is not taking my

954
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: business away. It was tough, bro, Yeah, but you had

955
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: an advantage. You were a big deal. You're a name. Hey,

956
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. The looks I got from

957
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: some of those salesmen. All right, I'm telling you, bro,

958
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: they were listen. I was there temporarily. That was their livety.

959
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: You think they were gonna let me outshine them just

960
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: because I was Jimmy Jackson. No, bro, No, it wasn't happening.

961
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: It's a great experience. Though. Do you think Kwhi Leonard

962
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: plays in this series? I hope he does. But you

963
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: know it's interesting because you know, I've covered the Clippers

964
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: all year, so they're kind of keeping quiet, kind of

965
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: what the extent of the injury is and if they

966
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: feel that they can get away. But you know how

967
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: it is then a couple of games that can win

968
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, and now the home court shifts back to

969
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: the Clips, they go home, maybe they split. It still

970
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: gives Kawhi time enough to get back instead of rushing it.

971
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul George has been phenomenal. I mean, I'm unbelievable.

972
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so happy for him. Now, the story

973
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: has not written story, the chapter is not closed. But

974
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: all year, Dan, I've been saying that Paul has just

975
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: been focused. He hasn't said a lot, He's letting his

976
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: game do it talking. And right now he's stepping up

977
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: big time. Man. Yeah, I don't know if Kawhi plays.

978
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: I I really don't like you know, I expect Chris

979
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Paul back, you know, probably when the series goes back

980
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: to LA. He's quarantining in Los Angeles and would probably

981
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: be able to come back, but without You know what's crazy, Dan,

982
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: You know it's crazy is that people talk about the injuries,

983
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: right the injuries. We were doing a thing on it

984
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: that the number of injuries are not that much higher

985
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and lower than the normal year. It's just marquis. It's

986
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: just the Marquee names right now that's drawing all the attention. Yeah,

987
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's it's tough for

988
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: the league too, because you want your guys, are key

989
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: guys playing at end of the year, and injuries are

990
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: all a part of it. But it's just unfortunate that

991
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: we had the rash of Marquee injuries in the playoffs

992
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis to Murray's you know now to Kauai.

993
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that that I mean, you know,

994
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: with hard and going out and what that Brooklyn team

995
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: with Kyrie. You know, that totally changes the narrative of

996
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs, you know, And it's stuff like that. Man,

997
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: really is have you seen somebody play better than Kevin Durant?

998
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: That's a great question. And it's because it's been some

999
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: great performances. I mean, Booker is playing awesome right now,

1000
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, but it's something different about Kevin Durant. And

1001
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing I think of. You get

1002
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: to take and look at Kevin like step okay, and

1003
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: this is what it's like. Step They really don't need

1004
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands eighty five percent to be

1005
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: effective because you can move them around the board like

1006
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: a chess piece. That's why they're so difficult to guard

1007
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Dan because with Steph he can throw give the ball

1008
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: up and run off eighteen thousand screens and get open.

1009
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: Same thing with Kadi. So that makes it more difficult

1010
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: for the defense to lock in because you're just throwing

1011
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: it to him in one spot or he just bringing

1012
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: it up. The defense and shift and set and that

1013
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: kind of can take away some things. But when you

1014
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: can move them around the court like that, how many

1015
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: players have we seen like that that have been disaffective

1016
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: at six to eleven only seven feet? Okay? That that

1017
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: does that? Nobody? I mean I I was sitting there

1018
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: at all watching it. You know, question was could he

1019
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: be effective enough without the other two to make his

1020
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: team competitive? I think he answered that question. I don't understand.

1021
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: He helped me understand this. This drives crazy when you

1022
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: have everybody knows Kevin Durant's getting the ball, there's six

1023
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: seconds to go, and they have PJ. Tucker on him.

1024
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: So you don't even have somebody flash on him. You don't.

1025
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: You don't have you know, holiday has a chance to

1026
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: go up there. I gotta get the ball out of

1027
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: the stars hands. Yeah, Like I go back to the

1028
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz against the Bulls in Michael Jordan. They didn't

1029
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: double team him, I know. I mean, especially especially at

1030
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: a time too when three point shot wasn't as viable. Okay,

1031
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: but put him in the middle of the court almost

1032
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: it's a tougher double team because you got more options.

1033
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: So I know, man, it is especially with that Brooklyn

1034
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: team when Kyrie and you know, James are not there.

1035
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: It's like when you play against Golden State without Clay

1036
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: on the court, it's a lot easier to double team step.

1037
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: But yet teams didn't really do it a lot early

1038
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: to get the ball out of his head. I don't

1039
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: want the best player to beat me. If if if

1040
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: the third guy beats me, then I live with that.

1041
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: If you said, Joe Harris hits a jumper and we lose, okay,

1042
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: all right, but I'm not letting KD hit hit hit

1043
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: a jumper, I'm not. And you know what if a

1044
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: couple inches, then we're talking about you know, the Bucks folding.

1045
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: Probably their head coach gets fired. Then nets maybe they

1046
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: get healthy and they win a champion. I mean, it's

1047
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: that close, and they almost allowed that to happen. Yeah,

1048
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, And you gotta scratch

1049
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: your head sometimes you think about it too, is that

1050
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: somebody else is gonna have to get the ball. It's

1051
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: just like was a game I don't know, was it

1052
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: too in Brooklyn when Milwaukee wouldn't allow KD to get

1053
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: the ball or Kyrie and it was Bruce Brown who

1054
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: had tried to finish the shot and somebody. So that

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Speaker 1: right there in itself is what you're talking about. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what it's like when they play a boxing

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Speaker 1: one on us in high school? You know I had

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Speaker 1: on us? Yeah like that. Yeah, and we can speak friends,

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Speaker 1: we because we went through it before. But I we

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Speaker 1: understand it. I hate it. I I would yell at

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Speaker 1: the defense. I'd say, you're afraid to guard me, you're

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Speaker 1: afraid to play that box in one nonsense? And ask

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Speaker 1: you a question of when they played the boxing one

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Speaker 1: on track one two on you? You still with money

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Speaker 1: right now? I had to be a decoy. I had

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Speaker 1: a coach who said, get the ball inside, Danny, get

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Speaker 1: the ball inside. You made you need to revisit your

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Speaker 1: their coach? Man is he? Is he still walking and breathing?

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it is. I'm over at Jim.

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Speaker 1: I'm finally over. I can tell I'm your body language

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Speaker 1: says it's like you with furniture sales. You know you're

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Speaker 1: over it, right kind I'm still a little scarred man.

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Speaker 1: The tent sale got me. Everything else was fine. I

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Speaker 1: love it. Here's here's Jim Jacksonson. You want you want

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Speaker 1: a Scotch guard, dad? Yeah, honey, it's Jim Jackson. He says,

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Speaker 1: bring a Scotch guard this. Yeah, that'll take care of it.

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Speaker 1: I said, you got kids, right, You never know. It's village.

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Speaker 1: You know what's village. Always great to connect with you, Jim.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy man, I'm here, buddy all right. That's

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Speaker 1: Jim Jackson, Fox and Turnersports NBA analysts. He's the Clippers analyst.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen year NBA that