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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It was not the ending

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Speaker 1: we had hoped for. It was not the ending we

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Speaker 1: had prayed for. When you have been in the business

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Speaker 1: of crime, you know in your head to expect this,

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Speaker 1: but then when it happens, you're You're not ready for it.

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Speaker 1: No matter how many cases I've tried, how many cases

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Speaker 1: twenty year old co ed from Iowa found dead. In

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Speaker 1: the last hours we learn who her alleged attacker is.

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Take a listen to the Iowa Division

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Speaker 1: rivera it's or who resides in rural Posche County, and

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Speaker 1: he has been charged with murder in the first degree.

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Speaker 1: A body was discovered early this morning in a farm

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Speaker 1: we believe it to be the body of Molly Tippets,

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Speaker 1: and first degree murder carries a penalty of life without

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Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. Missing Iowa student Molly tipp is

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Speaker 1: just twenty years old, her world ahead of her, found

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Speaker 1: she vanished weeks ago, one week after the FEDS say

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Speaker 1: her kidnapper was hiding in plain sight, so clearly they knew.

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Speaker 1: They knew at that time pretty much what had happened

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Speaker 1: to Molly, and they were focusing on five areas because

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Speaker 1: He's kind enough to give us the footage from it,

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Speaker 1: and through that we're able to identify a vehicle that

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Speaker 1: we believe belonged to Mr. Rivera. It was a black

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Speaker 1: able to find Molly running on this video, and we're

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Speaker 1: again that we were able to seize from the general public.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to crime stories. I'm Nancy Grace again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We are taking your calls,

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Speaker 1: your tips, your questions. Nine zero nine four nine crime

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Speaker 1: straight out to Alexis Terres Chuck Radar online dot com Alexis,

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Speaker 1: did they know for the last week after they said

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Speaker 1: Had they already seen the security surveillance home security surveillance

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Speaker 1: it seems like they did, and this is what they

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Speaker 1: He kept driving back and forth and back and forth

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Speaker 1: So there. There were multiple instances of places where they

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Speaker 1: looking for. Well, here's the thing, Lee Egan with me,

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Speaker 1: need to know about this story and all breaking crime news. Lee, this,

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Speaker 1: For weeks now, we've been led to believe she could

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Speaker 1: us guys with me, Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Torres, Chuck Radar Online dot Com, Karen start renown

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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining me from Manhattan. Ashley Wilcot, judge lawyer,

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Speaker 1: name it it. And but this wasn't true with Molly Ashley.

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Speaker 1: all this time they have managed to as they canvassed neighborhoods,

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Speaker 1: a rural county and there are a lot of fields,

429
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: a lot of woods, a lot of ditches. We have

430
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: certainly had extensive searches throughout the county. We just didn't

431
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: have success locating her. In this particular case, she was

432
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: found in a cornfield and there were cornstocks placed over

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: the top of her. You're hearing from the Iowa Division

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00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Rick Ron, who has worked

435
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: the case from the beginning, not the ending we all

436
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: had prayed for, not the ending we had hoped for.

437
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: The only thing left to do now is to plan

438
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Molly's funeral, console her family, and get ready for a trial.

439
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: And what a trial this is going to be. Already,

440
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: we know that public defenders have been alerted and are

441
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: working the case. We know that this guy Rivera had

442
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: worked for four years on a local farm. According to

443
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: the Des Moines Register. The company said he had been

444
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: vetted before he had been hired one how they didn't

445
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: know as an illegal immigrant. No motive announced, but there

446
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a motive. Motive is not required

447
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: under the law. The law does not expect a prosecutor

448
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: to crawl into the mind of a freak like this

449
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: guy and figure it all out and like set the

450
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: table like a tea party for a jury. It doesn't.

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00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: Crime doesn't happen that way, does it to Joe Scott Morgan? No,

452
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't, Nancy, it doesn't occur in a vacuum. Let's

453
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: let's you know. This is such a horrific crime. I'm

454
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: still absolutely dumbfounded by the fact that this young lady

455
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: was snatched off of the street and pulled into this car.

456
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: She wasn't taken and thrown into the trunk immediately. That's

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00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: why this car is going to be central, central in

458
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: the course in the court proceedings. This is a rolling

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00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: crime scene. My thought is she was initially put in

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00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: there and either she was subdued physically, that is, beaten

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00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: down on or harmed in some way to get control

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00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: over her. Or she may have actually been killed and furthermore,

463
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: she may have been sexually assaulted in this vehicle. So

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00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: this vehicle is key to harvesting as much information as

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00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: we can, not only the cabin of the car, but

466
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: also the trunk because as he stated, she had blood

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: on her. I'm gonna want to know if there's blood

468
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: on that in that trunk and if that blood is

469
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: Molly's blood, I'm looking at the affidavit right now. It

470
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: talks about Molly report being reported missing. It goes on

471
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: to talk in depth about the video, and this is

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00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: on crime online dot com if you want to look

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00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: at it. The video from the evening of July eighteen.

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00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: That's how they know the exact time and date she

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00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: was taken. They determined Molly was out running near Boundary

476
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: and Middle streets. A dark colored Chevy Malibu was spotted

477
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: numerous times driving back and forth and back and forth.

478
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: And that's what I us tell the twins when you

479
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: see a car come back and forth even once go home,

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00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: go back to somewhere safe. Uh. It was determined that

481
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: the dark colored Chevy Malibu was connected to this guy,

482
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: Christian Rivera. He was questioned by law enforcement on eight

483
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: twenty August twenty. He admitted he made contact with a

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00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: female running, that he pursued her in his vehicle. That

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00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm reading directly from the affidavit, that he part in

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00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the vehicle, got out and was running behind her and

487
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: along beside her. Can you imagine how scared she was?

488
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: She quote grabbed her phone and said I'm gonna call

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00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: the police. And then he says he panic, why not

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00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: just go back to your car? And got mad and

491
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: then he quote blocked his quote memory, which is what

492
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: he does when he quote gets upset and he doesn't

493
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: remember anything. I wonder if you remembers if he raped her.

494
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: He says, he doesn't remember anything until he came to

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: an intersection. Maybe you turn, drove back to a corn field,

496
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: drove into a driveway to a cornfield. Noticed there was

497
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: an earpiece from headphones in his lap, and that is

498
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: how he realized she was in the car trunk. He

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: went to get her out. He noticed blood on the

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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: side of her head. He described her clothing, including an

501
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: earphone or headset. He put her over his shoulder, took

502
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: her about twenty meters into the corn field, and left

503
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: her covered in corn leaves, and left her there face up.

504
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: He used his phone to determine the route he traveled

505
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. He later guided police to her location from memory.

506
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: He located the remains. Law enforcement located Molly's remains in

507
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: the eggs that area. The surrounding of her location and

508
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: the scene matched his description of what he said. Also,

509
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: based on that interview, clothing found at the scene where

510
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: the body was located, and certain articles of her clothing cops, No,

511
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: it's Molly. Does that mean Joe Scott Morgan that she

512
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: was unclothed or do you believe the clothing was with

513
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: her remains? I don't know. They're throwing around terms, Nancy, like, uh,

514
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: you know clothing that was found that implies that she

515
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: was in a state of undressed. I don't know that.

516
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: But what I do know is that the autopsy will

517
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: be performed today and they are going to go over

518
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: her remains with a fun to calm and they're gonna

519
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: have to, Nancy. They're gonna absolutely have to because we're

520
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: talking a month out and uh, she her body will

521
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: be in such a state that they will really have

522
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: to take their time and focus on what they need

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00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: to do. I'm very interested. You had mentioned modalities a

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00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: few moments ago relative to how she may have been killed. Uh,

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00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: if this was some kind of impassioned rage, I don't

526
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: know that it would require a knife for a gun.

527
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: He may have beaten this poor poor girl to death.

528
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: He may have just subdued her and strangled her. I'm

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00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: assuming that he's larger than she Yeah, I was just

530
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna bring that up Vincent Hill. This guy is just

531
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: five six and he weighs a hundred and thirty pounds.

532
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: How how could he get Yeah, he's he's not that big.

533
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, if she was feel fearful for her life,

534
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: there's no telling. Maybe he had a weapon to you know,

535
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: get some type of control over and maybe he caught

536
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: her off guard, hit or over the head. You know,

537
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: we don't know, but you know, Joseph can tell you

538
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't take a lot to strangle someone if you

539
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: get the jump on them. So we just stn't know.

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00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot that we have to get from the autopsy,

541
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: But I'd be, as an investigator curious to see what's

542
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: actually inside that car, because as much as they're going

543
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: to examine Molly's body, you better believe those investigators are

544
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: looking every inch of that car. Nancy. Something else that's

545
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: just absolutely striking to me about this whole thing is

546
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: that how bold does this guy have to be in

547
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: order to do this in this tiny little town on

548
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: a city street where this young lady is jogging and

549
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: is known to jog in this particular area. And not

550
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: only does he just kind of cat call her from

551
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: the car. He unmounts his car, leaves it in the street,

552
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: and then follows, by his own admission, follows her down

553
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: the street. And I'm just wondering, what kind of area

554
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: is this where no one was paying attention to it,

555
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: that this this actually occurred. Did she did she not

556
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: put up a struggle? Did she not yell out? You know?

557
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: And this goes to this idea of was he uh,

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00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, introducing some kind of method of terror in

559
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: here where he's got her at nine point, gunpoint, whatever

560
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: the case might be, because if he's just wrapping his

561
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: hand around her neck, you know, you would think that

562
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: she would be screaming out. So it it boggles in mind.

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00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: Does an investigator for me, right now? What about other cars?

564
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: That there are no other cars, no one said this happening,

565
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: or she didn't step towards another car? Really very strange,

566
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: I doubt pretty much in a town of and she's

567
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: out in the hinterlands jogging amongst the cornfields. I don't

568
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: know that. I mean, clearly a car was not around

569
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: when he actually attacked her. This is what I know.

570
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: The family left to try and put the pieces back together.

571
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Now face the ordeal of planning a funeral, which I

572
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: can tell you is pure hell, and then the trial.

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00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Listen to Molly's mother. Every day, I feel Molly's presence

574
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: with me, you know, sometimes I just feel her sitting

575
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: on my shoulder. And Molly was an incredibly strong young woman.

576
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I have the strengthen me,

577
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: but Molly's lending me her strength every day, every night,

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00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: God please me. With Molly's family, you will listen to

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: crime Stores with Nancy Grace, Good Night,