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Speaker 1: Welcome to Draft season. A brand new podcast which is

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Speaker 1: part of the New York Giants podcast network. But important

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Speaker 1: to note this is an NFL Draft podcast. It is

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Speaker 1: not Giants related. So if you're a fan out there

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Speaker 1: and you love the NFL Draft, this is the podcast

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Speaker 1: for you. My name is John Schmilt. I'll be your

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Speaker 1: host MC traffic cop through this extravaganza. The two guys

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Speaker 1: that will be giving you a lot of the information.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you have Tony Pauline, who's been doing this

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Speaker 1: longer than probably both Croc and I have been alive

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Speaker 1: from the From From From Football network. Makes you check

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Speaker 1: that out. Then you're a former NFL defensive back Eric Crocker,

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Speaker 1: He's the host of the Locked On NFL Draft podcast,

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Speaker 1: does some forty nine IS coverage as well. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm the team reporter for the Giants here Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'm behind these guys in terms of prospect watching. I

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Speaker 1: probably watched the you know a dozen or so guys,

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Speaker 1: but I was out there at the Senior Bowl with

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Speaker 1: both Tony. Eric was out there as well, And that's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna focus on today. Guys. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: the postseason draft process begins here with the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: and the fun part, guys, this is really the last

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Speaker 1: piece of real football. We are going to see these

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Speaker 1: guys play until we see in NFL uniforms come May. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know the Senior Bowl really is that these prospects

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Speaker 1: had more eyes on them at the Senior Bowl than

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Speaker 1: because what happens at the combine is when the defensive

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Speaker 1: early in the combine, it's just the receiver coaches and

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Speaker 1: maybe some head coaches at GM's that are on hand.

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Speaker 1: But what happens at the Senior Bowl is the defensive

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Speaker 1: also watching the receivers and the tight end. So you

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Speaker 1: know last week, the last three days a Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: practice and even the Shrine game before that, when I

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Speaker 1: these prospects will have the greatest number or had the

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Speaker 1: football compared to anything else that they will they will

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Speaker 1: the cool thing for me is especially being at the

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Speaker 1: I think it's see Tony, but I definitely saw John.

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Speaker 1: cool too, you know, Card, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: How about you, Tony, You've been here a long time,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's go to the positions now, Tony

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Speaker 1: and I think quarterbacks is a good place to start.

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Speaker 1: You know, none of these guys to me. I sat

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Speaker 1: great job with the draft. He said, you know, Malik Willis, John,

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Speaker 1: And this is where I'll start, and then you guys

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis is your guy. You just better be ready

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Speaker 1: has the highest upside of any quarterback in this year's drift,

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But with high upside also

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Speaker 1: thought that Sam Howell was the most consistent quarterback. Sam

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Speaker 1: gonna be a question mark. Very disappointed to Carson Strong.

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Speaker 1: if you get this guy to play at this level

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Speaker 1: over the top. A couple of times I mentioned the

431
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Speaker 1: back shoulder. He just looked like a polished wide receiver.

432
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Speaker 1: To me. He reminded me like a little smaller version

433
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Speaker 1: of Michael Pittman, who I saw at the Senior Bowl

434
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, in terms of just his

435
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,399
Speaker 1: smoothness adjust to the ball, things like that. To me,

436
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 1: he was buying far the the the stand out of

437
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,879
Speaker 1: this class. Yeah, there are a few guys that stood

438
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 1: out to me, and he was definitely one, you know,

439
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 1: but I went in like wanting to see hif you

440
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 1: played at the FCS level, you know what does it

441
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 1: look like when maybe you aren't the fastest guy on

442
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 1: the field like you were at North Dakota State. And

443
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: in the first day I was looking to see, like, okay,

444
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 1: can you take the top off of the defense one

445
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,719
Speaker 1: first I kind of got a little head there. That

446
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: was really good to see him measuring a six four

447
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: even at the Senior Bowl and two dred pounds. That's

448
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 1: terrific size. So all right, they say you're gonna run

449
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: in the four threes or th four for us, let

450
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: me see that speed. Day one didn't quite see it,

451
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,640
Speaker 1: but I saw his ability to you know, run short

452
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 1: to inter media routes and create enough separation. And you

453
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,880
Speaker 1: talked about the strong hands working back to ball, being

454
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Speaker 1: strong at the top of rounds um not looking like

455
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Speaker 1: this big stiff guy like those things where I'm like,

456
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Speaker 1: that's that's all great, And I wasn't. I wasn't sure

457
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 1: exactly what I was gonna see, but I did see, like, Okay,

458
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Speaker 1: I like that. I still want to see you run

459
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: past some guys, you know, And I thought the next

460
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Speaker 1: day in the rain, he didn't get the opportunity to

461
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 1: truly showcase it in the sense of just running past

462
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Speaker 1: guys and catching balls and the hands on because the

463
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Speaker 1: balls are fluttering out of quarterback's hands and there are

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of passes under thrown to him vertically. But

465
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Speaker 1: he got behind guys, He got behind Kobe Bryant, he

466
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Speaker 1: got behind several other corners. Well, I'm like, he's running

467
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Speaker 1: past guys by three or four yards and that's a

468
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Speaker 1: lot of separation from guys. I was curious see Kenny

469
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 1: running away from those guys as well. So, uh, he

470
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Speaker 1: was a guy that definitely stood out to me and

471
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Speaker 1: like that, I didn't think he had the best week

472
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Speaker 1: overall a few other guys. Uh, Calvin Austin out of Memphis,

473
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Speaker 1: smaller guy, I mean, how about going from a six

474
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Speaker 1: four guy to a five seven guy. But his ability

475
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Speaker 1: to create separation short in immediate routes, working on comeback routes,

476
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: guys wanted to get up at the line of scrimmage

477
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: and press him. That couldn't get a hand on him.

478
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: Then guys tried to play off, he ran straight by them.

479
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: I thought he was a guy that showed a lot

480
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: of terrific stuff and also had some special teams aspect

481
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: of his game, as well as Christian Watson which was

482
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Speaker 1: interesting to see. He returned to kick off return for

483
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown at North Dakota State. But another couple of

484
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 1: guys October out of South Alabama, especially the indoor practice. Man,

485
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: he was fantastic and that was the and that was

486
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Speaker 1: the practice. I didn't get to see that one live,

487
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: but I just thought on the first two days, I'm like, wow,

488
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Speaker 1: who is this kid? I like number eight? And and

489
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't a guy was focusing on but he just

490
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: kept popping, you know, like every every few times I've

491
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Speaker 1: seen and I'm like, man, who is number eight out there?

492
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Speaker 1: He I thought he did a terrific job. And then

493
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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce, Uh, what I liked from him was, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: he showed me much more twitch than I thought then

495
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Speaker 1: I was expecting to see. You know, at Cincinnati he

496
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: was a guy that was more of a pure fifty

497
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Speaker 1: ball catcher type guy. He'd go up in traffic and

498
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Speaker 1: make those top of catches. But it was really good

499
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Speaker 1: to see him have some twitch and be able to

500
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Speaker 1: separate on intermediate routes as well. And I'm measuring very well,

501
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: I say, in the sixth three, I thought he did

502
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Speaker 1: well for himself. And there's gonna be those cops, you know,

503
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: maybe because he's a white receiver, but no Cooper cup

504
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: morever that bigger slot, will he end up being more

505
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Speaker 1: of a guy where they're like, all right, maybe you

506
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Speaker 1: don't have pure straight lines people, we can put you

507
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Speaker 1: on the slot. Do you have enough twitch, you have

508
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Speaker 1: enough smarts and route running savvy and then the contested catchability,

509
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Speaker 1: maybe that would be a spot where he could really

510
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Speaker 1: make some money at the next level. Yeah, I would agree.

511
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Speaker 1: I thought Watson was the most consistent past catch all week.

512
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Speaker 1: I do question his ability to separate the next though,

513
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: but he's a big target and he caught everything that

514
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Speaker 1: was thrown to him, which was fantastic. I also agree

515
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Speaker 1: with Jalen Toubert. I mean, Talbert was a guy who

516
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Speaker 1: I think looked much faster than I expected. When you

517
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Speaker 1: watch mom film, he looks just like a bigger possession receiver.

518
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: But he was able to get down the sidelines to

519
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: show himself to be a solid vertical threat. Calvin Austin,

520
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: the thing that you mentioned his route running on Wednesday

521
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: when it was boring, when everyone was slipping all over

522
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Speaker 1: the place, Calvin Austin was running scissors sharp routes, quickly

523
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: getting in the brakes, stay alone, exit, coming out of

524
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: his out of his brakes with balance, catching the ball

525
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: really well. Again, the fact is he's a smaller guy.

526
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna use them in a slot. Maybe put him

527
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: emotion before the staff also has some returning ability. One

528
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Speaker 1: other guy who played I thought played very well before

529
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Speaker 1: he got injured was Danny Gray of s MU. Had

530
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: a terrific practice on Tuesday, injured his heel and wasn't

531
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Speaker 1: able to go the rest of the week. But again,

532
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: like Calvin Austin, was able to get separation in those

533
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Speaker 1: one on ones with excellent route running ability, caught the

534
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Speaker 1: ball exceptionally well. You know you wanna when when you

535
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Speaker 1: see these drills, it's not just catching the ball, it's

536
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Speaker 1: catching the ball fundamentally correctly, you know, extending your hands

537
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: and catching the ball away from your frame. I saw

538
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: too many guys Tray Turner from Virginia Tech catching the

539
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: ball against his frame. Catching the ball against frame. You

540
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. I mean that that does

541
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: you can't do that at the next level. But I

542
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: saw Danny Gray and Calvin Austin, especially Christian Wantson consistently

543
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: extending their hands, looking the volunteering hands catching the ball

544
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Speaker 1: away from their frame. That's the type of thing as

545
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: you want to see, especially in those drills. Yeah, I'll

546
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: throw out Velis Jones Jr. Too. I thought he actually

547
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: had a pretty good week. We saw him catch a

548
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: really we saw him catch a really tough punt in

549
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: the game too. He's a very good special teams guy.

550
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: Quote upon over his shoulder in the game. I thought

551
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: he got behind people. I thought he was a pretty

552
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: consistent rat runner. I know he graduated Tennessee with a

553
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: graduate degrees, and he's a smart dude. He's a veteran.

554
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: That's the other guys wanted to toss out that. I

555
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: thought I had had a pretty nice week too. He

556
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: beat up his Tennessee team, and a couple of times

557
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Speaker 1: he did. I thought he was really good tight ends guys.

558
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Speaker 1: I thought this was a really good class. You know,

559
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: you don't have some you know, Kyle Pitt's tight. Maybe

560
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: it not even like in Evan Ingram type that's gonna

561
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: run like a four or four or something like that

562
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: and burn people down the field. But I thought it

563
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: was a really solid group of two eight tight ends

564
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: that could block a little bit catch a little bit

565
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: not burners. They kind of know how to find space

566
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Speaker 1: and zone. You know, a lot of guys are got

567
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: a good Day two early Day three that could be

568
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: starters in the league for a long time. I thought

569
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Speaker 1: Jake Fergus had Wisconsin, had a really good third day

570
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: of practice and a nice toe tap in the back

571
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: of the end zone and hands catch. He had that

572
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: touchdown in the game, showing that run after catchability. Um,

573
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Speaker 1: what did you guys think of the tight ends class?

574
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Speaker 1: Any of those guys specifically jump out to you, Tony,

575
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Speaker 1: Let's start with you this time. Yeah, you described this

576
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: tight end class perfectly. I mean there's no Kyle Pitts

577
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: at the top of the class. You got Jalen Widermeyer

578
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: of Texas A and m who's gonna go early, but

579
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get good value starting in rounds two, three, four,

580
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: and even five. So I like Tray McBride. I mean

581
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: thought Trey mcbrought a Colorado State again, gave me more

582
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: than I expected, really look good running rounds, caught the

583
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: ball very well. I think he probably moved towards the

584
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: top of that second group of tight ends, as did

585
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Speaker 1: Jeremy Rutger of Ohio State, who at times last year

586
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: was the odd man out at Ohio State because of

587
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: the new, brand new quarterback who didn't look his way.

588
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: But he's a big, physical, athletic guy who caught the

589
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: ball really really well. So I think they all played

590
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: reasonably well. Isaiah likely of close to Carolina my favorites,

591
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: had some nice downfield receptions. He's more removed tight end,

592
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: very good group, and basically, you know, sort of like

593
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: we talked about the quarterbacks kind of not being great,

594
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: these guys, the tight ends were not great, but they

595
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: fit in, you know, as we expect them to day two,

596
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: early day three, even through the middle quarter day three,

597
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get a good tight end if you

598
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: need one. This year, I think the guy that really

599
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: just kind of stood out to me just from his

600
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Speaker 1: physical presence Cold Turner, right am I saying the last name,

601
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: right Turner to tight end out in the battom oh Man,

602
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, just big physical presence. Now, you know, he's

603
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: not as twitched up as some of the other guys

604
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: as you expect for somebody that's six ft six and

605
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: he is no Kyle Pitts. When he comes to route

606
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: right in the word ability to separate or anything like

607
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: Cole Pits. I don't even know why I brought Cole

608
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: Pits up, but there are just Kyle Pits, dude. It's okay,

609
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: just just when it's high, you know, just being six

610
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: ft six kind of being out there and seeing how

611
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: he was able to kind of utilize his frame. You No,

612
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: he's more of like a Kelvin Benjaman playing tight end.

613
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 1: There we go. I know, Kelvin Benjamin did a New

614
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: York Giants legend. Uh, you guys got still in there,

615
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: but uh you know, yeah, no, nobody really stood out

616
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: too much from here. I saw a couple of nice

617
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: past catchers, a couple of nice catches, but nothing too crazy,

618
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: but just maybe some potential with some guys. I gotta

619
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: have a funny coach couple of Benjamin story I could

620
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: tell you off the air for his stay here. Yeah,

621
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: and by the way, I thought Ruckert and he didn't

622
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: play in the game, right Tony. I didn't see him

623
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: on game day, right Rugert. But a lot of those

624
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: guys usually don't play it again, he made this one, kid.

625
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was the best catcher time I made

626
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: all week. I think it was the first practice. It

627
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: was a pastor one who was a bad pass. Dude

628
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: bends down the bolts probably four or five inches off

629
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: the ground, catches it with two hands without even going down,

630
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: picks it up off the turf, gets up and runs

631
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: with it like that's the type of you know, flexibility

632
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: and smooth hands and ability or to two running to

633
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: to catch and run. That that that I thought was special. Alright,

634
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: final final offensive group, offensive line. I think maybe you

635
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: have two off first round offensive linemen in this group,

636
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: maybe Trevor Penning, you know, maybe Zion Johnson. But I

637
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: do think you saw some guys in this group, especially

638
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: some of the smaller school guys. I thought, you know,

639
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: Dylan Parham from Memphis had a pretty decent week cold Strange.

640
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I thought showed a little bit. You're the Austrian kid

641
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: out of Central Michigan, Bernhard Ryman. I think that's how

642
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: you pronounced his last name right. So I thought there

643
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: were some some some guys here that that showed a

644
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: little bit that you're happy with. But I don't think

645
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: you saw some of the some of the dominant guys

646
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: that we've seen in some of these you know, Senior

647
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: Bowl classes in past years. Tony Penny's gonna go first round.

648
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: It's a matter of where round one does he go. Now,

649
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm told he's gonna tested roof of the combine. I

650
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: still like him as a bottom third round one guy,

651
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: but you know, he went there with a chip on

652
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: his shoulder, sometimes for the good, sometimes not for the good.

653
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: He well, that's how we played, that's for sure, And

654
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: you know he wanted to prove that it was a

655
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: tough guy. Some people thought it was over the top,

656
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: but you know that's what small school guys do. He's

657
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: a real good right tackle prospect. I don't think he's

658
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: a left tackle. He got meat a couple of times

659
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: because I think he was too amped up. But he's

660
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: got the size and he's got the ability to start

661
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: at the next level. Zion Johnson, I think he's gonna

662
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: go more top around two. I think the fact that

663
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: he showed he can play center besides guard really still

664
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: stood out to me. One guy that I really liked

665
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: was Andrew Steuber of Michigan. But the tacklet Michigan moved

666
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: into guard great fundamentals, I mean sinking his budet line scrimmage,

667
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: bending his knees and really just handled almost every single

668
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: rep in one on ones that he had, and even

669
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: in full screements where he was just turning guys off

670
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the line and opened up the running lanes. I think,

671
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, like Zion Johnson showing he can go from

672
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: guard to center, and Zion Johnson has also played some

673
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: left tackle Boston College. Stuber making the seamless transition to

674
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: offensive guard when people know he's a small area guy

675
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: who's not gonna be able to handle tackle position at

676
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: the next level, and doing so as efficiently and productively

677
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: as he did every day a senior bolt practice. I

678
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: think that's that's a major major. It was a major

679
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: plus form. It's gonna help his draft stock. Yeah. I

680
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: adn't paid too much attention to the officer lies, so

681
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: I though there was a big kid from Minnesota. I

682
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: got some greater that kind of yeah insight on him,

683
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: just how maybe he's not the most athletic from what

684
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I was told, but he's so big and he has

685
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: really long arms that it is hard for guys to

686
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: get around him. That's as much as I got on

687
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the office. When you got a dB. He doesn't want

688
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: to hang out with the big boys down there. He's

689
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: watching the guy's catch fastest then. And by the way,

690
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: folks just still understand too. When you're a senior world practice,

691
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: the offensive one, defensive one on ones are going on

692
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: at the same time as seven on seven, at the

693
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: same time as a wide receiver dB one on one,

694
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: so you can't really watch both at the same time.

695
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: So it's a tough thing to manage. But it's funny, you.

696
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: I was about to mention Daniel fa Leli I believe

697
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: is how you pronounce it, And I looked at him, like, boy,

698
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: you know, he looked a big dude. Then I went

699
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: on my phone and I looked at the measurements six

700
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: eight three eighties six, oh my gosh. And there was

701
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: a play in practice where they did a toss pitch

702
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: and it was like a a tedlock, a tight end

703
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: down block and the tackle comes around the edge. This

704
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: dude at six eight three eighty is running in space

705
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: at this poor cornerback that's trying to set the edge.

706
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: He gets this guy. He could not have bailed out quicker,

707
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: and I can't blame him. I was actually pretty impressed.

708
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: He got beat sometimes in the one on one Tony,

709
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: but I thought he actually showed some athletic ability. I

710
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: think he's a fun project. If you're picking in the

711
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: fourth round, maybe you get him and try to develop him.

712
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: May be getting to drop thirty pounds. I think that's

713
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting player, to be honest

714
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: with you, He's an athletic guy at three fifty, at

715
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: three seventy five, at three eighty, he can be all

716
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: over the place and he misses a lot of blocks.

717
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: So the thing with Bale is obviously he's got the size,

718
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: he's got the athleticism, but he's gonna have to do

719
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the right things off the field to make sure that

720
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: he can play it on the field. So you're right

721
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: about the thirty pounds. And I think that's the difference

722
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: between Balle being a starter in the NFL versus being

723
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: a guy that bounces around from roster to roster, roster,

724
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: practice squad to practice squad, the practice squad. And you know,

725
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: by the way, guys, and and I want to get

726
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: your opinion on this, two crops, this is what we

727
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: can't figure out right. Like I was talking to uh

728
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: John Sharrow manager Joshane about this, and I said, it's

729
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: really easy for us to say, all right, this is

730
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: what this college player is, right, but how do you

731
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: figure out which of the guys that can develop do

732
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: what it takes off the field to be better. You know, Crocker,

733
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: you're in this league. You know there are guys that

734
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: had all account but but but they do not put

735
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: the work in too become great. So that's really the

736
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: tough part of the Scotting process, right figuring out which

737
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: of these guys will do what it takes to continue

738
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: to improve and they're not just gonna stay at the

739
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: same player that they are right now. I think that's

740
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: probably maybe the most important thing, even more so than

741
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: how talented than you are. Obviously you you want to

742
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: marry the two together. But quick kind of load backstory

743
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: please Tray Lance? Right, Trey Lance was coming out and

744
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: you start to hear all these little details about the

745
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: person that he is, and obviously he has a lot

746
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: of things that he needs to work on. But when

747
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you see the ability in the upside and then match

748
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: that with the person that he is, and you hear

749
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: some of the things that Daniel Jeremyah was saying about him, like, hey,

750
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: I sat down with him for an hour. I lunch.

751
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: This is the most impressive kid I've ever been around.

752
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: At the time he was on twenty years old. You

753
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: start to hear about the stories about him, you know,

754
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: telling his dad he wants to go play Division one

755
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: football and he has to wake his dad up, and

756
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: his dad was like, hey, if you want to work out,

757
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: you gotta wake me up at five am. He didn't

758
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: miss a day. That's what the story is. He didn't

759
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: miss the day his dad. So when you hear people

760
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: hear about people like that, you know that they're kind

761
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: of wired difference and whatever issues that they have, like

762
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: mechanically or whatever thing that they can work on. You've

763
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: been on that person to overcome it if they have

764
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: to work at it all right, And I've seen that

765
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: and being in locker rooms where free defensive alignment six six,

766
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and sixty pounds with all the

767
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: most amazing gifts that anyone could ever want, but doesn't

768
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: have to work ethic to back it up, and just

769
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: relies on that athleticism too much. And that's the guy

770
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: that goes first round, but then he doesn't end up

771
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: panning out. People are like, man, well, why is this

772
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: guy a bus And a lot of people say that, oh,

773
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that guy is gonna be a bus I dude, you

774
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: never know because you don't know the type of work

775
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: ethic this person has, all right, And when it came

776
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: to you know, some of these guys here at the

777
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, a lot of it is gonna be what

778
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of work ethic does this guy have? Okay, he

779
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: has all the terrific ability and all that. That's great,

780
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: but does you have to work at the back back

781
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: it up? And for some guys it comes sooner. Other

782
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: guys it takes a little while for them to truly

783
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: grash that and understand it. But yeah, I've been in

784
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: the locker room with plenty of guys where you're just like, oh,

785
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: my goodness, this guy is a freak. But then he

786
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: just doesn't get it up here or in here, Tonty.

787
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, that that's why the interview process

788
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: at night is so important, right, that's a big part

789
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: of the Senior But we have been talked about all

790
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: these teams get to meet with these prospects and in

791
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: the evenings and figure out exactly what these guys are

792
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: all about. And that's really the now with all the

793
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: tape availability, have. Isn't that kind of what the ins

794
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: and outs of scouting is is trying to figure out

795
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: that part of it. Since everyone has the date now

796
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: you can and it's not an exact science. You may

797
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: not get an answer, or you may even be fooled

798
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: by the answer you get and you get something other

799
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: than what you ultimately end up with. I mean, it's

800
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: not just the scouting product, the interview process. Don't go

801
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: back and talk to college coaches. They'll talk the high

802
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: school coaches if they have to, and you have to

803
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: rely on, you know, what the college coach says about

804
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: the player, and hope that the college coach doesn't have

805
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: an ax to ground against the player. You know, if

806
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: the college coach is saying, you know, the guy's lazy,

807
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't you know, put in the work, or

808
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the guys the first one here, the guy is the

809
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: less one to leave. Leave. It's it's very extensive. They

810
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: will happen to everything. Miss lack of information is the

811
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: biggest deterrent, is the biggest in a variable factor that

812
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: will hurt a prospect come draft weekend. They will do

813
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: everything they can and even at times when they think

814
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: they have all the information, they could be wrong. Look

815
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: at what the Jets are going through right now with

816
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: McKay Beckton, Yeah, no question about all right, Let's let's

817
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: go to the defensive side of the ball here, fellas

818
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: and start the defensive line. And I thought this, out

819
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: of all the units, I think this might have been

820
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: the strongest one. I think this week. Jermaine Johnson, fantastic

821
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Kingsley and a bar A from South Carolina fantastic boy

822
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: Mafe and Minnesota came on strong in the game after

823
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: a very good week. I just thought it was And

824
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: then talking about the defensive tackles, Travis Jones was the

825
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: immovable object. He made a living. He just walked centers

826
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: back into the quarterbacks lab in practice the whole week.

827
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: I could go on and on here. I don't want

828
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: to take old names. So Tony, who are the guys

829
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: that jumped out of you on the defensive line here

830
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: that you thought, you know, really stole the show? Well

831
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: obviously Travis Jones. I mean forget about just practice. If

832
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: you watch the Gang, he you know Dylan Parton who

833
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: actually played well, as you mentioned, you just wanted them.

834
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: I could use them as an assistant that almost to

835
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: make the tackle I mean he was the thing about

836
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, let's go back to the work ethic to

837
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: think about Travis Jones is he's a big guy who's

838
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: very athletic, and he was dominant all three days in practice. Now,

839
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: the question for Travis Jones is gonna be why do

840
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: you play that way? In two thousand twenty against Holy Cross,

841
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: against you mass, why didn't you look like, you know,

842
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: you really weren't motivated to play. If you get Travis

843
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: Jones last week, look like a legitimate top forty selection,

844
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, an athletic nose tackle type that

845
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: I can play three downs. But Travis Jones on film

846
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: kind of looks more like a Day three pick. So

847
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: you gotta have to kind of figure that one out.

848
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Although Perry and Winfrey of Oklahoma had some outstanding moments

849
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: and really played well. John Ridgeway of Arkansas, I want

850
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: to talk about a big guy, three twenty five pounds,

851
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: moves well, very athletic. Uh showed some things on the inside.

852
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: I thought the Penn State linebacker Arnold I but tech Tea.

853
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna butchers last name, undersized, undersized pass rusher.

854
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: He was explosive, fast up the field, relentless, played with leverage,

855
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: good need band, fundamentally sound really sort of a pess

856
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: rush specialist that you can get later on the draft. Yeah,

857
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: there were definitely some guys that stood out to me,

858
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: and you guys started with Jermaine Johnson and he was

859
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: terrific and it's awesome, you know, being next to a

860
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: like a past fast pass rush specialist type coach. So

861
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: one of my buddies out there in Minnesota, he trains

862
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of athletes getting ready for the NFL, and

863
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: he was in awe with what he saw from Jermaine

864
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: and Johnson, just from his physique, what he looked like.

865
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: You know, he started talking about his ability to kind

866
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: of been how loose hippy was, how you know, agile

867
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: he was on his feet. All those things stood out

868
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: to him. And then watching them, you know, run the

869
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: hoop and how it's seamless. It was for him being

870
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: able to dip down, you know, grab that bag, you know,

871
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: get around and put it back down. All those things

872
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: jumped out and then there was one thing that released

873
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: out to him too. It was some technique where he's

874
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: like Croc, I can guarantee he was not asked to

875
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: do that at Florida State, and that had to be

876
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: something that he learned in the NFL and that he

877
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: just learned that week and he was able to translate

878
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: that over to practice. So there were a lot of

879
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: good things that Jamaine Johnson did to definitely stand out

880
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. You mentioned boy in my FA,

881
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: and you know, I watched boy in my FA in

882
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: the rain Wednesday. I focused more on the defensive line

883
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: there and he didn't lose, not one rep. He didn't

884
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: lose any reps on Tuesday. He didn't lose any reps

885
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: on Wednesday either, and it was cool to see him

886
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: not only went from the outside which speed. He showed

887
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: a couple of different moves. He rushed inside on one,

888
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: then he hit a guy with a spin move, come

889
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: back in get to the quarterback on the next one.

890
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: But his next two pass rushes came from the three tech. Now,

891
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: he's not this huge guy. It's about six three and

892
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: a half that he measured in at the UH at

893
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and around two two sixty, But for

894
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: him to be able to get into that three tech

895
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: and the guard just could not handle the speed and

896
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: athleticism from there and he won back to back reps

897
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: there too, So I think, boy, in my FA, he

898
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: did a terrific job, really kind of standing out to

899
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: me in those two days. And then another guy, Terry

900
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Smith on the House State. Uh just between him and

901
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Jesse Loukida linebacker out of Penn State. Those two guys,

902
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: they both had some splash. He play splash, the ability.

903
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: I like Tyree Smith just his energy in that presence

904
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: felt from him, just watching him in the stands and

905
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: how he was getting around listeners from him as well.

906
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I thought this was a really good group from both

907
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: teams on the defensive line. It's funny when you mentioned

908
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: DeVante Wyatt. I mean he might be the first tackle

909
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: of this group take and he was good at a

910
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: Georgia Logan Hall at a at Houston. I thought he

911
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: had a really nice week too, to be honest with you.

912
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought there was a really strong group.

913
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Um and I think, you know, we're gonna see a

914
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of Day two picks from this defensive line group. Uh,

915
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: come the NFL draft linebacker, I know we kind of

916
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: stick a lot of those edge guys that are kind

917
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: of really linebackers into the defensive line. Edge class now

918
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: off ball guys again from me and Mike running backs.

919
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I like to see these guys in games. I think

920
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to see without tackling and stuff in practice

921
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: what they're really about. The one guy I'll talk about

922
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: is Troy Anderson in Montana State. I thought he was fantastic,

923
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: can run, can get downhill and tackle. He had three

924
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: straight p b U S pass breakups in red zone,

925
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: one on ones on Day three indoors. I mean that's

926
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: a really tough thing for a linebacker to new cover

927
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: and running backs and tight ends three straight. So he's

928
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: the guy. To me, I think he made us off

929
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: a lot of money. If he's not a Day two pick,

930
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked. I thought he was really good any

931
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: of the linebackers when we jumped out to you guys

932
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: off ball. Well, the other thing about Troy Anderson is

933
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: he had to show that he could play in coverage.

934
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the running backs, they come here

935
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: and they have to show that they can catch the

936
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: ball into that field. Troy Anderson, when you watch the

937
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: Montana State State filmed, he's been basically an up the field,

938
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: in the box, sometimes out to the sidelines type of linebacker.

939
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: He's really asked to make plays in reverse, and you're right,

940
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: he did an exceptional job of it. So what that

941
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: tells coaches, That tells scouts, you know what, this guy

942
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: has the ability to be a three down defender. We

943
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: can leave him on the field on third and five

944
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: and place him over the tight end play, put him

945
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: play over the running back because he can't cover absolutely,

946
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: and that was what that was what Troy Anderson had

947
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: to prove coming into Senior Bowl week that he could

948
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: make plays in reverse just as well. He's gonna make

949
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: him up the field. I agree with you helped himself

950
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: probably movement to day two. Same thing with Chad MoMA

951
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: of a Wyoming same sort of situation. A big, tough,

952
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: punching amount type of guy who's really good against the run.

953
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: Force on the lips showed much better than expected in

954
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: coverage drills. I thought that Marco Jackson of Appalachian State

955
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: also showed a lot of good things throughout the practice.

956
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: He's an explosive guy, a little bit shorter, struggled in

957
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: coverage in college, but proved he can get down the field,

958
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: he can get depth on the pass shrops, he can

959
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: cover the middle of the field, and that's what you're

960
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: looking for. You're looking for guys to do things during

961
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: seniorble practices that they either couldn't do in college or

962
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: weren't asked to do in college. I thought Troy Anderson,

963
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: Chad Mama, and de Marco Jackson did it all very well,

964
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: all right, And yeah I didn't. I saw them a

965
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: little bit one on ones against running backs, but I

966
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't pay enough attention to be able to get someone's

967
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: name down. Yea. And again, linebackers are tough, especially in practice.

968
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: You gotta see him in the flow of the game, reading,

969
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: reading blocks, and and and all that type of stuff. Right, Croc,

970
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: get the start of the show here. Talk about the

971
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: dbs for me. Brother. Yeah. So there were a couple

972
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: of that jumped out for for different reasons. One of

973
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary, this is a guy who scouts are gonna

974
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: be confused about a little bit. You know, he's not

975
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: the biggest guy, measured in at five eleven, which isn't

976
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: small in height, hundred eighty six pounds. It's a little

977
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: slight flame frame. But his arm length it was like

978
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: or twenty nine inches, like the shortest arms I've seen

979
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: I've seen measured as far as me be being able

980
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: to really pay attention, and I thought that would be

981
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: an issue. So I said, Okay, are they gonna play

982
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: him outside or are they gonna think he doesn't have

983
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: the length and they want him to play inside? Well

984
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: they did as soon as team started. First place I

985
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: saw him lined up was at the nickel. Now, this

986
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: is someone who I think it's a terrific prospect at

987
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: corner and just has the ability to play inside outside

988
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: and one of the ones you were able to watch

989
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: him do more outside corner of the type stuff, and

990
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: I thought he held his own. I thought he was terrific.

991
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: His very first rep extremely aggressive the receiver throughout the route,

992
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: at the top of the route broke the ball up.

993
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: So he has that type of ability. I thought he

994
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: showed that on film as well. You know, you put

995
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: on games like Alabama where I mean he maybe it

996
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: was targeted thirteen times and I'd say about seven of

997
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: them feil incomplete. And he just has the ability to

998
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: play line up inside. He ran with slot fades extremely well,

999
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: UH cover guys on the outside. He's a very good competitor.

1000
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: But I was curious, Hee, where would they line them up,

1001
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: what do they think about him? He might profile more

1002
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: as a nickel at the next level, especially if he

1003
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: shows that UH aggressiveness. And then another guy, and there

1004
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: are a bunch of guys I can go on and

1005
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: talk about, but another guy really wanted to make sure

1006
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: highlight Tarik Woolin out of U T s A. Now

1007
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: this is this is intriguing because he's six four. He's

1008
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: a six fourth corner. I think he measured in slightly

1009
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: under six four, two hundred and five pounds. I don't

1010
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: necessarily like the six four guys. I think their movements

1011
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: are extremely long and they have to figure out how

1012
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: to work with that. Now he's a plus plus plus athlete.

1013
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: He had the fastest UH time miles per hour, as

1014
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, according to the Zebra thing that they had

1015
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: measuring guys miles per hour, it was like twenty two

1016
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: points something like. It was the fastest on the field.

1017
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: So he has that. Everyone I spoke to said he's

1018
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna jump forty plus inches, bron chump is gonna be crazy.

1019
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: They are a questions like, man, he's gonna run into

1020
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: four two four threes. So he's a special athlete. But again,

1021
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: when you're six four and he's new to the position,

1022
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: the guy who was a receiver and converted late in

1023
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: his college career to the quarterback position. Are you gonna

1024
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: learn to build up play when your movement skills are

1025
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: longer as opposed to the receivers that you're going up

1026
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: against that might have better change of directions? What type

1027
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: of issues can I oppose to you? So I asked

1028
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: him about that. How do you work planning on improving

1029
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: on that? What are some things you feel like you

1030
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: can do? And he talked about, you know, continue to

1031
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: work and stuff. I suggested to him. I say, hey,

1032
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: I played with a guy that was a lot like you.

1033
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: His name is Antonio Comardi. He was just really long,

1034
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: terrific athlete. Might want to connect with him. And I

1035
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: actually tweeted Camarti to check out his kid. He's built

1036
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: like you. You need to work with him. And Tonio

1037
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: Camarti responding it right away and said, Hey, if he's

1038
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: in Texas, I'll work with him, so we'll see it.

1039
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Wouln Uh works with Carmarty in the offseason to help

1040
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: improve maybe not just the physical part about in the

1041
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: understanding your body, but the mental aspect of it too,

1042
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: because I think that's one of Antonio Camarti strangth A's

1043
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: why he's able to kind of play around maybe being

1044
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: a longer movement type guy. Yeah, and Woollen is gonna

1045
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: run the four two, so I mean he's running in

1046
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: the fourth threes now and training. I think the best

1047
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: way to describe Woollen is he's a better athlete than

1048
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: he's a football player right now. And if you watch

1049
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: the one on ones, it's exactly everything that Eric said.

1050
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a bit slaughter to transition struggles making

1051
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: plays with his back to the ball. He's gonna learn

1052
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: the position. But teams are gonna fall in love with

1053
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: those physical skills. They're gonna fall in love with the hype,

1054
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: even though six three and change maybe a little bit

1055
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: too tall, but they're gonna and they're gonna try and

1056
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: find a place for him to play. As far as

1057
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: the other dbs that are like I like Jalen Petria

1058
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Baylor a lot, and again Jalen P. Treat Naylor was

1059
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: more of a hybrid safety linebacker guy that was asked

1060
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: to make plays up the field. Showed really well in coverage,

1061
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: I mean really well in coverage. Caleb Evans of Missouri.

1062
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: I thought played exceptionally well. Every time you were watching him.

1063
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: He was knocking away past this, he was defeating opponents.

1064
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: Had a little trouble in the rain against the Jones

1065
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: of Tennessee, but otherwise, I mean he was a guy

1066
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: Caleb Evans who really I felt, uh flew under the

1067
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: radar screen. If he runs a good time during the

1068
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: combine of parday workouts, he's gonna end up in day two.

1069
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: He's highly ready to coming into the year. Former Tulsa

1070
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: player transferred to Missouri last year at a solid season.

1071
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I got to speak with him. He's a fun guy.

1072
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: He's a good guy to talk to. Understands the position.

1073
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: We talked about the history of Tulsa and Missouri and

1074
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: things like that. Uh and someone who a few times

1075
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: he got beat. You readbown that it came back with

1076
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: a good repetition, which is what you want to see.

1077
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: You talked about and I have kind of his inside

1078
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: guy gives me the scroup on some players. He coached

1079
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: that Uh. He coached that Baylor. He also coached at

1080
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: South Carolina. He's in the NFL now, but he always

1081
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: talks to me. He's one of my former teammates. He

1082
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: always gives me a heads up on guys and he

1083
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: has sent me NonStop stuff on on uh Deebo Samuel.

1084
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, Croc, guy, this Debo, this kid

1085
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. I'm telling you he's the next guy. And

1086
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: he was right about Debo. Then he told me about j. C. Horne.

1087
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, Croc, everybody's talking about the sixth fourth

1088
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: corner we have over here, but I'm telling you this guy,

1089
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: Jay C. Horn, he came through true freshman, was the

1090
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: leader alpha mail in the locker room. That's the guy.

1091
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: He's going to be the prospect, not the sixth fourth corner.

1092
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: All right. He was right on that. Jay Z Horne

1093
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: ended up being a top ten pick, and he's been

1094
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: really praising and having a high praise for Petrie. Tell

1095
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: me about the player that he is, the person that

1096
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: he is, a lot of high praise. He came out.

1097
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: He won the award for the best kind of safety

1098
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: in that group. I guess that's what the tight ends

1099
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: and running backs or whatever kind of voted on. So

1100
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: pet is another guy who stood out to a lot

1101
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: of people and maybe improve his draft stock. I like

1102
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: his versatility, being' a gonna play that statety position, but

1103
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: also able to slide in do some nickel type stuff

1104
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: as well. Think the NFL game now is so wide

1105
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: open you need those versattle guys. You don't you don't.

1106
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: You're not seeing a whole lot of the bigger, stiffer

1107
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: guys unless they're just an amazing athlete. I to stake

1108
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: the position guys like Petrie, I think that's gonna be

1109
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: more than norm I've seen that, you know name throwing

1110
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: out there, like Tyron Matthew. I don't wanna call on

1111
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: Tyron Matthew, got the Tyro Matthew special, but I think

1112
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: for a guy that has the type of versatility, I

1113
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: think you can make the comparison from that standpoint. Alright, guys,

1114
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: before we wrap it up, any names we missed, anybody

1115
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: anything else at the senior goal that you guys want

1116
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: to make sure we get in here before we wrap

1117
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: up our first episode of this brand new podcast, I'll

1118
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: tell you what you know, Sometimes you pay attention to

1119
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: specialists sometimes, you know, depends they pump that was kicking

1120
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: the stuff and out of the right man. I mean,

1121
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: he was pounding that ball in the air, getting great

1122
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: hand time flipping the field during drills and you know,

1123
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: you really don't pay attention to those guys too much.

1124
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: But it's why know when you know, all of a sudden,

1125
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: you see this guy just taking a quite out of

1126
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: the ball that he did, uh you know Tuesday and Wednesday,

1127
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: and he had a put in the game that when

1128
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: like sixty five yards in the air, right, I guess.

1129
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I pay attention to punchers.

1130
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: That the last route that I do unless somebody really

1131
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: catches my eye. And this cat caught my eye Tuesday

1132
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: and Wednesday. Yeah, Mario Gidrids, cornerback out of Clemson. You know,

1133
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: I thought he had a strong day one and again

1134
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking for versatility guys that can play outside, can

1135
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: they play inside? Because I'm where my head goes is, Hey,

1136
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what type of receiver I'm gonna have

1137
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: to maybe potentially have you shadow or do matchups. I

1138
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: like what the new middle Patriots do third down Bill

1139
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: lock up and they're bringing all the type of shapes

1140
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: and sizes with the cornerbacks and have them match up

1141
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: on different style receivers. I want to see what type

1142
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: of ability do you have to line them inside outside,

1143
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: and I think Mario Goodris showed uh at least the

1144
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: ability to do that. I loved the competitive he was.

1145
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I thought he did a terrific job contesting passes at

1146
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: to catch point, I thought, defeat and change the direction.

1147
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: It was solid. Uh probably could be a little bit better,

1148
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: but I think it was more more than solid. So

1149
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: he was another guy definitely wanted to mention. And the

1150
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: funny thing about Pleridge was he wasn't even granted by

1151
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: scouts coming into the year. He was not even on

1152
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: the radar, but he had such a good season playing

1153
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: next to booth ends up at the c Bowl. Now

1154
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: he really went from nonentity in the draft. He's probably

1155
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a made round pick. It's fantastic. He love

1156
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: to see the guys make those late runs and and

1157
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: make some noise here, gentlemen, this is a lot of

1158
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: fun everybody. Just as a reminder, this is the first

1159
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: episode of our draft season podcast with the Job weekly

1160
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: episodes from now through the draft. If we're very successful,

1161
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you might see us store in the college

1162
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: football season next year to to talk some college football

1163
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: prospects as to go along, So make sure you check

1164
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: it out. You can find it um if you're Giants

1165
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: fan on the Giants Ball lap uh giants dot Com

1166
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: slash podcast, but we're on every popular podcast platform you

1167
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: guys know. Check it out, find the subscribe, leave a

1168
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: five star positive review, all that good stuff. Before we

1169
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: say goodbye, Tony Croc, tell the folks where they can

1170
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: find on social media, where they canna find all your

1171
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: other content besides what you're doing for draft season. I'm

1172
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: at Tony Paul and on Twitter Pro Football Network. I mean,

1173
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: we had daily practice reports from the Shrine Game as

1174
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: well as the Senior Bowl, how each player did every day.

1175
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: Our guys are down at the Super Bowl this week,

1176
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: so you can get to scoop on what's happening there

1177
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: and get ahead of the news. As far as the

1178
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: coaching situations a concern, Yeah, you guys can follow me

1179
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Erica and Score Crocker. I put out

1180
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: all my information, uh anywhere else you can find me,

1181
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: you can find it first on Twitter, So follow me

1182
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Eric Underscore Crocker. And he's still recovering

1183
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: from his forty niners back. They're not making it to

1184
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So if if Croc was a little depressed.

1185
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: That's why depression back. Finally was kind of getting over it.

1186
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: Then you just write it right ten in the fourth

1187
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: quarter again. Trust me, I wish I was worried about

1188
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs last three weeks, so I really didn't right

1189
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: to say anything, So I'll just leave it at that,

1190
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: boys and good stuff. We'll talk to you next week

1191
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: as you continue along here and start getting ready for

1192
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: the NFL combine. We'll see you next time on the

1193
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: draft season.