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Speaker 1: particularly when you're young, and you you have that in

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Speaker 1: of this time, Blake Chappelle's murderer has been arrested. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks, Dave. We have

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Speaker 1: done a previous episode on Blake's case some time ago,

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Speaker 1: He would buy energy drinks, which I don't think at

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Speaker 3: Look, Blake Chappelle went missing after a homecoming dance, after

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Speaker 3: We're two years in a row in Joseph Scott Morgan's

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Speaker 3: class at JSU, tell us how you gave your classes

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to work in an unsolved case? Because didn't two

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Speaker 1: we just let me back up. Several years ago, I

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't let Joe here. You say that

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Speaker 3: He leaves there at like five in the morning, and

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Speaker 2: That's what he's doing while he's texting.

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Speaker 3: Now, five five thirty in the morning, Okay, that's not

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Speaker 3: And so for him to be stopped at five five

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Speaker 1: But as a matter of fact, there's a situation. You

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Speaker 3: And so he had and yeah, seven, okay, let's deal

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Speaker 2: It just does. And anyway, so you've got the I'm

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Speaker 3: That a cop ever stopped him, because there are just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do something.

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Speaker 3: They'd pick it up and say I just got checked

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Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that maybe whoever that was, I don't

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00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: think it was Blake that sent that text about there's

435
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: a cop. I think that was somebody who got the

436
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: phone from him. I'm just based on the fact that

437
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: we don't know anything after this moment. I just don't

438
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: think it's a cop. And if it's not a cop,

439
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 3: it's somebody bad.

440
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and someone that was there yet or to do

441
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: him harm on some level and as right, you know,

442
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: as it turns out, which you know, will chat chat

443
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: more back out. Ultimate harm was done to this child.

444
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you've got the authorities, You've got

445
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: his mother, who is you can imagine, just shocked to

446
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: her core at this point, because this is.

447
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Because he vanishes.

448
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: He vanishes after that, after what we just shared with

449
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: you about a cop and I'm cold.

450
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: After that, he vanishes. He's gone.

451
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: There are no more text, no more calls, no more nothing,

452
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: no more sightings. He's gone. He's walking from his girlfriend's

453
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: house to his best friend's house, and he vanishes. Joseph

454
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: Scott Morgan gone, five thirty in the morning.

455
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: This kid is, yeah, and you're thinking, you know, how,

456
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: first off, how how bad is his life that he

457
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: would just suddenly, by the way, in the wake of

458
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: what he said the greatest night of my life? What

459
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: kid pulls up stakes at that point in time and

460
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: decides to disappear in the darkness, never to be seen again. Uh.

461
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: That's that's the part that's so chilling. I think another

462
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: part of the this is that many of us can identify.

463
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, I have to look back in time when

464
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: dinosaurs were on the earth, but I still remember how

465
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: exciting homecoming was, and I remember how exciting prom was

466
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, it's a different kind

467
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: of feeling. So what is it that would occur that night?

468
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: And there was no indication that Ryan's family on any

469
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: level was involved in this, you know, because I think

470
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: the first thing you think about is, yeah, you know,

471
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: he's he's in the house with my daughter at a

472
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: late hour. You know, we're going to show him. They

473
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: ran down all of that, and nothing came back. Dave,

474
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: he he went missing. I guess it was October the sixteenth,

475
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: essentially is when he vanishes and he is not seen

476
00:28:48,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: again until a gruesome discovery is made. We heard everything.

477
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. I don't know if you

478
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: recall this, but do you recall when we presented Blake's

479
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: case at Crime con and there was a story that

480
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: came out about police showing up at a property where

481
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: they went out to search the property, and we thought that, oh,

482
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: my lord, you know, what are they looking for at

483
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: this home? And there was an indication that this had

484
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: something to do with Blake's Blake's case. And I still

485
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: don't to this point, because, as you said, the police

486
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: are keeping a really tight lid on all of their

487
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: information that they have at their fingertips. What may have occurred,

488
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, relative to his circumstances, what brought about his end,

489
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: and to the best of our knowledge, what we know

490
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: right now, we're still ensure if that search of that

491
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: property that was not too far away may have borne

492
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: some type of fruit. I think, go ahead.

493
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: No, I was just gonna say, I think you're right.

494
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: We don't know because they didn't tell us. They told

495
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: us that there was a search going on that it

496
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: had to do with Blake, and police had dealt with

497
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: anonymous tips for years, and I think that's one of

498
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: the reasons they did keep playing it close to the

499
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: best for the same reason you and I and everyone

500
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: else is totally shocked that a young kid like that

501
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: would go missing while he's walking at five point thirty

502
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: in the morning and just gone that there's nothing of

503
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: him until two months later. And that's what we got

504
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: to get to is when did they find him, Joe?

505
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: What condition was he in when he was found? Because

506
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: at five point thirty in the morning, other than being

507
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: a little cold. According to his last text, he's walking

508
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: from his girlfriend's house to his best friend's house. Yeah,

509
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: he's created a little bit of a problem for himself,

510
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: but it's nothing. He's not going to get passed. And

511
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: he just had a great night. He had a great

512
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: homecoming night with his girlfriend. Now he's yeah, the greatest

513
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: night of his life.

514
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: He's not.

515
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: And so what happened? Because he's gone and they looked

516
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: for him, right, they're looking.

517
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: They looked for him. They looked for him everywhere, and

518
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: they could not find him. Dave. Just imagine his mother

519
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: or just for a second, two months, two months, over

520
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: two months passed by because he went missing on October

521
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: the sixteenth of twenty eleven. He was found, Dave. He

522
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: was found on December nineteenth, twenty eleven, face down in

523
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: a creek adjacent to a bridge. And here's here's the

524
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: real kicker. He's wearing nothing but his underwear. I got

525
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: to tell you when I hear that you've got a

526
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: deceased individual. They're wearing nothing but their underwear. They're a

527
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: couple miles from where their home is and they're just

528
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: kind of cast off into a creek, into a body

529
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: of water. First off, I can't believe that they were

530
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: able to actually find his remains and that they were

531
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: still intact, but they were. As a matter of fact,

532
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: they were intact enough so that the state medical examiner,

533
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: this is a big piece of evidence that we got

534
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: when they examined his body. Blake had been executed, he

535
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: had been shot a single time in the head, and

536
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: his body essentially dumped off in the creek. And there's

537
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: no clothing except for his underwear. Now, who what would

538
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: be the motivation behind that? I got to tell you, man,

539
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: when I see people that are either partially nude or

540
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: nude and they're deceased, I think that I always think

541
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: that they're some kind of sexual component. The only other

542
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: thing I can think of is you have somebody stripped

543
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: down to their underwear so you can manage them and

544
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: you can humiliate them. But still with humiliation, I think

545
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: that there's a sexual component to that as well. And

546
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: even with all of that and finding his body, they

547
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: they were still at their wits end relative to this

548
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: case because there was no further data that was coming up. Yeah,

549
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: we've got this kid that has been missing for two months.

550
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: But just because you find the body, and you determine

551
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: that he has been shot in the head. That doesn't

552
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't equal, that doesn't equal the solving of the case.

553
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: You're still here with a massive puzzle. And Dave, this

554
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: has gone on now for until last week, for fourteen years, fourteen.

555
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: They never found the clothing either. They didn't find any

556
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: clothing he had. They didn't find his cell phone, they

557
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: didn't find his wallets, ID the didn't find anything of

558
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: him except body with underwear and shot at the back

559
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: of the head.

560
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: So was he all right, let's just start with.

561
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: Could you tell examining his body how long he had

562
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: been in the water, Like, could he have been shot

563
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: and thrown in the water that morning?

564
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: Could we tell that a few months later? It's you know,

565
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the further you move out in time, the more difficult

566
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: it is. I think that any reasonable person would understand

567
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: that and appreciate that, and I believe that you could. Yeah, okay,

568
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: this is what we do know. It's kind of it's

569
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: kind of like a math problem we have. We're solving

570
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: for X here. Well, what are our knowns here? We

571
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: know when he was last seen alive, we know the

572
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: data off of his phone, and we can tom stamp

573
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: that and then when he's found. So what we would

574
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: do is go back in comparison, compare what we're seeing

575
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: with the physical findings of his remains based upon this

576
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: timeline that has been established digitally, and we could do

577
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: an approximation. We would look for certain points along the

578
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: way with changes. The one thing that's really going to

579
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: be tough with this case, I think, is how far

580
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: gone his remains may have been at that time. You know,

581
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: after two months, even though we're in we're heading toward fall,

582
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: we're going to be getting and he's already passed a

583
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: late fall. As a matter of fact, seems like doesn't

584
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: the winter equinox happen? Like is it the equinox? I

585
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: don't know what it's called, but anyway, when we go

586
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: to winter, it's generally around December twentieth or it's right

587
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: before Christmas when that happens. So we're heading in that direction.

588
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: There are going to be significant temperature changes. So how

589
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: well is he preserved. He's in an aquatic environment, we think,

590
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: unless he had been killed somewhere else and moved, or

591
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: had he been held against his will for a protracted

592
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: period of time, then they bring him back with his

593
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: underwear on and discard him in the creek. And I

594
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: think that a lot of that information is being held

595
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: by the police right now. It just seems really odd.

596
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Why would you make him strip down? Why would you

597
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: not find his clothing somewhere along this roadway that he's

598
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: walking down. Had he been in the custody of somebody

599
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: else for two months? And that's one of the things

600
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: are weeks, That's one of the things that you really

601
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: want to try to understand. With the post mortem changes

602
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: in this case, do they marry up with the time

603
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: the known timeline as opposed to maybe he's not as

604
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: far gone as they might have thought, and that would

605
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: beg the question, well, when exactly did he die? Can

606
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: we zero in on that and try to marry that

607
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: up with the timeline that we have. Again, they haven't

608
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: released this information yet. One other big piece to this

609
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: day is we don't know if this gunshot went into

610
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: the head is a through and through. They have not

611
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: released information if they recovered a projectile out of Blake's head,

612
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: and of course if they did, and this is a

613
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: weapon that was utilized that may have been utilized in

614
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: other crimes, well, the ATF has got a fantastic database

615
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: ballistic database. As a matter of fact, they probably got

616
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: the best one in the world that you would go

617
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: to for sourcing information on expended rounds. If you can

618
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: recover that round, you can get it to them and

619
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: try to match it up through their database to see

620
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: if it marries up with any weapons that's out there.

621
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: But the case turned actually based upon what you had

622
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: mentioned just a few months ago. You had said that

623
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: there were anonymous tips that came in, that there were

624
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: tips all along, and Dave jumped forward to twenty twenty three.

625
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: This scene is still being worked and man, the nowt

626
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: And Police Department actually got an anonymous tip, didn't.

627
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: They, And you know when we were recording and talking

628
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: about this show, We've got the anonymous tip in twenty

629
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: twenty three, and police actually followed that up. Okay, they

630
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: pleaded publicly that tip told them there's more and there

631
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: are people that know more. And they also ended up

632
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: serving search warrants on two different properties in twenty twenty four.

633
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 2: Remember those.

634
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: Yes, they were serving these search warrants and weren't telling

635
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: anybody a whole lot, but they were looking for something.

636
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: We don't know if they found anything or not, but

637
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: we know that they were looking and it had something

638
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: to do with Blake Chappelle's case. So when you've got

639
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: a case that, for all intents and purposes, began October sixteen,

640
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, and ends December nineteenth, twenty eleven, and we

641
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: don't know anything until now, and they're still working at

642
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: like this twelve and thirteen years later, heck, yeah, man,

643
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: these guys are doing their job and they are still

644
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: you have no idea of how much they are still

645
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: holding on to and.

646
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: The reason, oh god, yeah.

647
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 3: They're not letting it out. They're not going to let

648
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: somebody come into this and mess up their case. And

649
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: you know what, Joe, they did have an arrest finally,

650
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: and it wasn't anybody who had ever been taught to.

651
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Anybody that had ever had ever been investigated ever. Isn't

652
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: that something that you could have You could have this

653
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: young kid seventeen years old and for some reason, his

654
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: path intersects with this guy who actually turns out had

655
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: been in the joint for several years. Yeah, which is,

656
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, quite amazing when you begin to think about

657
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: what is at stake here. And I believe that this

658
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: came about as a result of of the anonymous tip.

659
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I think so and sourcing this, you know, back to

660
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: this individual. What precisely can you tell us about this

661
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: arrest that has been affected Dave?

662
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: All right? He was. The guy's name is Scotty Elliott Smith.

663
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 3: He was never investigated in this case, but he has

664
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: been arrested and charged and police say he has confessed

665
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: to the murder of Blake Chappelle. Police served two search

666
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: warrants in Sharpsburg in March of twenty twenty four.

667
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: Which is just a Jason too. It's in Colwaita County

668
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: and it's outside of Noonan.

669
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, makes it so that's the area we're talking about.

670
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that was.

671
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: And so again, now remember we had the tip in

672
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. We had police saying we need more

673
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 3: so they knew that that this top of the soda

674
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: have been popped. They served the search warrants in twenty

675
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: twenty four, and then here we are, out of the blue.

676
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: September twelfth, twenty twenty five, they send out this message,

677
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: we got an arrest and I'm looking through all my notes.

678
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: This guy's got to be on the radiaro. No, he's nowhere.

679
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: This guy was in jail so much Joe I actually

680
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: double checked to make sure he wasn't in jail. This

681
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: h Yeah, he is now charged by the way police

682
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: still asking for more info. Which the saddest part is

683
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: there are so many people that know what happened, and

684
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: they have maintained at least some form of silence for

685
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: this long.

686
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: Does that.

687
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Something I want to point out about Smith, who

688
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: their framing this is he has allegedly confessed. I'm understanding

689
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: that that they have conducted multiple interviews with him, and

690
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: just because he confesses prior to you know, being appearing

691
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: in a court and all these sorts of things that

692
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: you have to go through, that doesn't mean that he's

693
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: guilty yet. Okay, we have to understand that we need

694
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: to temper what we're saying to a certain degree. But

695
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: Dave I was doing the math on this. So the

696
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: ledged perpetrator is thirty eight right now. So he crossed

697
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: pass with Blake. When Blake, as I've mentioned several times,

698
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: was seventeen, he would have been twenty four years old

699
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: at that time. Young man twenty four years old out

700
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: in this area at that time of night, and what

701
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: was the plan here. Did he just merely see Blake

702
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: and saw him as an opportunity for mischief? Well, I

703
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: hate that word because it's not mischief but malevolent behavior.

704
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, is that your words tell you, Joe? What

705
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: did these? I mean murder? He agated assault.

706
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: But they've charged him with possession of a firearm or

707
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 3: knife during commission of or and that that's a standard charge,

708
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: I mean, because we already know that Blake was shot

709
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: in the head.

710
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, then we go to yeah, then we go

711
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: to conceiting feeling death another Joe, and then also tampering.

712
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah is that so? Yeah, that tampering goes with that

713
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: concealing the death. I mean, concealing the death is not

714
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: killing him and throwing him over the side of a bridge,

715
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: you know, and him getting caught up in weeds.

716
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: What did he do to conceal this death? Yeah? How long?

717
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, precisely. I think that's one of the big questions

718
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: that's going to be asked and needs to be answered,

719
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: is the concealment merely placing Blake in a creek bed

720
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: that may or may not have water flowing through it

721
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: at any given time, dependent upon rain, and also tampering

722
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: with evidence. That's that's an interesting that that's something particular

723
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: to this case. Because Blake was absent, he was absent

724
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: his phone, He's absent clothing. We know, was this guy

725
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: retaining clothing off of this kid? I want to know

726
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: if this guy's involved in any other kind of homicides,

727
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: because this seems like a bizarre This case is so

728
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: incredibly bizarre that these two people. And you have to

729
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: understand the location where this happened. This is not like

730
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: in a heavily congested urban area, and it's not necessarily

731
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: in the sticks. As a matter of fact, this area

732
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: is really growing. It has grown, you know, Atlanta exploded,

733
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, certainly in the late eighties into the nineties.

734
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: This is a bedroom community for Atlanta. This is not

735
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: a place where you have homicides that are committed, certainly

736
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: not like this. I really I want to know if

737
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: this individual that perpetrated this as some kind of predator.

738
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that that where we would

739
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: be fascinated to learn that bit of information. And again,

740
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: you know why why is not something we'll ever get

741
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: an answer to, But I think what was the motivation here?

742
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: What was the motivation for snuffing out the life of

743
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old and I think more broadly, had

744
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: Blake in his short life had he ever encountered Smith before? Well,

745
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: had that ever happened?

746
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned that Smith is twenty four when this happens.

747
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

748
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: I looked at his criminal record and it begins in

749
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven when he was just twenty years old,

750
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: and Scotty Elliott Smith was charged with and indicted on fleeing,

751
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 3: attempted to evade hindering law enforcement in possession of weed

752
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: less than now it's back in two thousand and seven.

753
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: Then he had a number of other run ins with

754
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 3: the law. Okay, where he's negotiating, where charges are draped charges.

755
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: You know, he's negotiating his way out because if they

756
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: don't see you as a big time spender, you're going

757
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: to get a pass. When you're a little bit younger,

758
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna go away with a few things. But then

759
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, all right, Now, this is again between two

760
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: thousand and seven twenty eighteen, an eleven year span here

761
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: between his first involvement with the law to when he

762
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: was charged with and indicted on aggravated assault on a

763
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: peace officer, interference with government property, criminal damage to property

764
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: first degree, second degree aggressive driving, hit and run. Then

765
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: he goes to jail, and while in jail in those

766
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: charges and awaiting trial, he's charged with then indicted on

767
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: violence in a penal institution twice, simple battery twice. In

768
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: eight August to twenty eighteen, he entered an offered flee

769
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: in all those cases, meaning they have enough to you're

770
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: not admitting guilt, but you're admitting that they have enough

771
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: evidence that if it went before anybody with a brain,

772
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: that you would be guilty. So he pleads it out

773
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: on all these things. But he's got a laundry list

774
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: of other things going on here, and he ended up

775
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: getting a lot of charges dropped through these negotiations. Now,

776
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: a lot of times police will add on things. You know,

777
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: they can. You know, when you do something, you can

778
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: end up with five charges for one thing.

779
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: I get that.

780
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: But this is the person who now admits that he

781
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: killed somebody in twenty and eleven. What was he doing

782
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: between the time that he first came into trouble with

783
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: the law in two thousand and seven twenty eleven that

784
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: he got away with legally, and then what did he

785
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: do after that? Murder because it looks like things escalated

786
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: for him from the age of twenty one.

787
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, would it be fascinating? First off, where did he

788
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: catch all these charges out of? Were they all out

789
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: of the metro area of Atlanta where he specific to

790
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: Calwita County or any of the adjoining counties like Clayton County,

791
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: Spaulding County, any of those areas in kind of the

792
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: south to southwest region of Atlanta metropolitan area, and you know,

793
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: kind of trying to understand the area that the waters

794
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: which he would have swam in.

795
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: Dave, Yeah, I know that the records I pulled on

796
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: him were all in Georgia, the Department Corrections, you know,

797
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: where he served his time and things like that, But

798
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: they don't tell us I didn't. They don't tell me

799
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 3: where what counties I have to pull that up now.

800
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: Well, another piece to this as well, and this is

801
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of a sad commentary in the world that we

802
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: live in right now and we're seeing the fruits of

803
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: it all over the place, is what judges did he

804
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: go before? Was he was he constantly in front of

805
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: the same one or two judges that had allowed this

806
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: to go on? And look, I know the judges cannot

807
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: predict the future, but there are certain behaviors that come

808
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: into play when you see you see a person over

809
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: and over again, and they become an habitual offender at

810
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: that point in time, and they have no respect for

811
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: the law, they have no respect for the norms of society.

812
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: My question is somebody that is in fact a habitual offender,

813
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: if you keep giving them passes over and over again,

814
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: that kind of emboldens them. And I'm wondering if during

815
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: that period of time, if he felt so bold that

816
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: he encounters this kid just walking down the road. I mean,

817
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: did Blake, you know, did he say something as a

818
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: car was passing, because this guy's already got an issue.

819
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: I think in one of the charges, Dave, you had

820
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: mentioned that he's got an issue with I think it

821
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: was like a reckless driving thing or something like this,

822
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: where he's utilizing a weapon or he's usualizing a vehicle

823
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: that could be implied it could.

824
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: Be weaponized driving and hit and run.

825
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he's out on the road, he sees

826
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: this kid, and he doesn't think anybody else is around,

827
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: and the kid, you know, I don't know, maybe Blake

828
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: made some kind of provocative or what he interpreted as

829
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: provocative move toward him, and he's like, no, I'm ending

830
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: this kid's life. Well, we don't know, but I can

831
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: tell you this. I don't know necessarily that anybody that

832
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: is involved in this case is going to leap better

833
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: because this guy's behind bars right now in the Cawda

834
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: County jail. And there will never be perfect peace in

835
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: the lives of those who loved Blake and who miss Blake.

836
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: But I do know this. We're on the road right

837
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: now to more answers in this case, and as things develop,

838
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: I can promise you this, myself and brother Dave Mack

839
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: are going to be following Blake's case and we'll update

840
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: you as soon as we hear something. I'm Joseph Scott

841
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: Morgan and this is Bodybacks