WEBVTT - Alec Bohm's Breakout

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to The Phillies Show with Bruben Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Todd Zo Lucky. It is Monday, April nine,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. The Phillies coming off a sweep of

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<v Speaker 2>the Padres in San Diego. The Phillies are nineteen and

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<v Speaker 2>ten overall, they're eighteen and eight in April.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, do you know the Phillies have never.

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<v Speaker 2>Won nineteen games in the month of April. Ever, they

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<v Speaker 2>have a chance to do that tonight in Anaheim. They're

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<v Speaker 2>a game and a half behind the Braves. The Phillies,

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<v Speaker 2>who always get off the slow starts, can now say

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<v Speaker 2>they have. They're tied for the third best record in

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<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball with the Yankees.

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<v Speaker 3>They're really playing good baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought a good way to start this episode

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<v Speaker 2>would be talking about a guy whom I'm wondering is

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<v Speaker 2>he having a breakout year? And that is Alec Boom.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked a lot about him. We're kind of touched

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<v Speaker 2>on actually in the last episode moving up to the

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<v Speaker 2>cleanup spot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's having a great year.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's driving a ton of runs, he's hitting

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<v Speaker 2>for some power, and am I overstating at guys, when

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<v Speaker 2>I say, is this the year he finally breaks out,

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<v Speaker 2>makes an All Star team, enters the conversation maybe as

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<v Speaker 2>an outside long shot MVP candidate.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I nuts or.

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<v Speaker 1>Not? I think all those things are possible.

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<v Speaker 4>So the beauty of what Alec Bohm brought to the

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<v Speaker 4>table when he was drafted was that the guy was

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<v Speaker 4>just more of a pure hitter than he was a

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<v Speaker 4>power guy in the first place. And he's sort of

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<v Speaker 4>going through that old school progress, right. I always believe

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<v Speaker 4>that if you're and I think of the guy that

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<v Speaker 4>I think about as like a rafa Al Palmaro, And

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<v Speaker 4>I know there was some question about, you know, peds

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<v Speaker 4>and all that stuff later on in his career, but

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<v Speaker 4>Rafael Palmaro was a very very good pure hitter. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he came out of Mississippi State or Mississippior whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>he was a really, really, really good hitter. And and

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<v Speaker 4>in fact, when he got to the Cubs in the

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<v Speaker 4>big leagues, he didn't even make he didn't even he

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't had no ability to pull the ball. He hit

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<v Speaker 4>everything from second base to the left side of the field.

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<v Speaker 4>And the question was, well, this guy's at first, basement

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<v Speaker 4>or corner outfitter, is you could ever have enough power

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<v Speaker 4>to play those positions, even though he's like it's just

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<v Speaker 4>a good, like solid singles hitter, gap to gap type

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<v Speaker 4>of a hitter. Well most much like a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>guys who have great bat speed and guys who have

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<v Speaker 4>great eye hand coordination and just ability to hit. I

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<v Speaker 4>think you're seeing that out of Alec Bohm right now.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a very good pure hit. He's always been

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<v Speaker 4>a very good pure hitter. It's always you know, he's

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<v Speaker 4>always been able to go sort of gap to gap.

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<v Speaker 4>But the question was was he going to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to get consistently to the inside pitch the fastball inside

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<v Speaker 4>because he's got really long levers, And whether or not

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to be able to get extension on pitches

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<v Speaker 4>on the inside part of the plate, And will he

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<v Speaker 4>ever really lost the ball consistently, you know, to hit

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<v Speaker 4>thirty five or forty home runs. I think he had

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<v Speaker 4>the raw power to do that, but his swing path

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<v Speaker 4>just isn't It's not like a home run type of

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<v Speaker 4>a launch angle swing path. And I just love the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that he is now. I talked to Charlie Manuel

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<v Speaker 4>about this all the time. He's starting to understand when

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<v Speaker 4>he needs to make contact out front. There's certain pitches

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<v Speaker 4>that he can now instead of letting them get too deep,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a great ability that he has, is letting

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<v Speaker 4>the ball get deep because he can take a fastball

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<v Speaker 4>on the inside part and smoke it to right center

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<v Speaker 4>or smoke it to right But he's also now learning

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<v Speaker 4>that he can get pitches maybe a little softer or

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<v Speaker 4>a mistake pitch in the middle of the plate and

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<v Speaker 4>turn on it. So you see him drilling some balls

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<v Speaker 4>down the left field line. Now, are they going out

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<v Speaker 4>of the ball park all the time? No, But he's

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<v Speaker 4>smoking them and their extra base hits.

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<v Speaker 1>And who cares? I mean, as far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 4>When when you're having those types of a bats and

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<v Speaker 4>you're hitting the herd, who cares Whether you're hitting home runs,

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<v Speaker 4>you're producing runs, you're producing bullets, you're hitting the baseball

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<v Speaker 4>over the place, And as long as you're hitting the

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<v Speaker 4>ball hard somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And doing it as consistently as he is, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fun thing to watch. Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I know this is you know, every every hitter gets hot,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know has has those hot spurts and and

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<v Speaker 4>he'll cool off. There's no question. Nobody can hit like

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<v Speaker 4>this for the rest of their lives. It's not going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen. But his overall approach has put him in

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<v Speaker 4>this position. And I think his overall confidence and ability

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<v Speaker 4>to make contact a little bit further out front in

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<v Speaker 4>his in his contact point and being confident to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to do that, you know, reach out more comfortably

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<v Speaker 4>in a more relaxed way. I think it's made him

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to make him one of the more complete

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<v Speaker 4>hitters moving forward, because it's harder to go from being,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a home run hitter to being like a

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<v Speaker 4>you know, making contact and being able to cover plate

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<v Speaker 4>then going the other way. And I think that this

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<v Speaker 4>is just like an old school progression for a young

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<v Speaker 4>man who now feels very comfortable in his skin as

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<v Speaker 4>a player and is becoming the kind of offensive player

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<v Speaker 4>that I think that they hoped they were getting when

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<v Speaker 4>they drafted him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think you mentioned he's getting comfortable in his skin,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think hand in hand with that is confidence.

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<v Speaker 5>You mentioned that as well. I just see a very

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<v Speaker 5>confident hitter who has stayed true to his style of hitting.

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<v Speaker 5>If there were ever temptations. And I don't know that

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<v Speaker 5>they ever asked them to lift the ball, but if

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<v Speaker 5>there were ever temptations to do that in baseball in

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<v Speaker 5>the two thousand and twenties, we see a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 5>He's resisted it. He's got a little inside out, and

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<v Speaker 5>he's really learning to use the bat head line drive approach.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember when they drafted him looking at his numbers

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<v Speaker 5>at which toss state, and there was you could see

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<v Speaker 5>a player that just got better. You could just see

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<v Speaker 5>it in the numbers, a player that got better and

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<v Speaker 5>better every year. Kid cod league, which toss state. You

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<v Speaker 5>also could see that he was a selective hitter. He

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<v Speaker 5>really knew the strike zone. One word that bothers me

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<v Speaker 5>is patience. You know, we say, somebody a hitter, or

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<v Speaker 5>be patient. To me, the goal should be selectivity because

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<v Speaker 5>you get a cookie early. Why do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>be patient? But he's a very selective hitter and has

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<v Speaker 5>had that kind of in his DNA, And I just

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<v Speaker 5>see a guy really learning to use the bat head

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<v Speaker 5>to his advantage. And you're seeing the confidence right now.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just think it's an amazing story because and

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<v Speaker 5>the way he hits with on base it's been amazing

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<v Speaker 5>since day one. But I think it's a great story

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<v Speaker 5>because we all know that night against the Mets when

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<v Speaker 5>he made the errors, But that to me was only

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<v Speaker 5>only shows part of his journey. If you look back

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<v Speaker 5>to the spring of twenty twenty two, you remember this Todd.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he really lacked confidence. At one point Joe

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<v Speaker 5>Girardi started playing Bryson Stott at third base and pronounced

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<v Speaker 5>that he has a chance to be the opening day

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<v Speaker 5>guy with Bom having to go to Triple A. And

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<v Speaker 5>I remember him walking down the clubhouse to that spring

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, looking at times for long, looking like

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<v Speaker 5>he lost his best friend, just looking like he needed

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<v Speaker 5>a shot of confidence. And he's gotten it, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>with the help of others, but he's gotten it through

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<v Speaker 5>his performance. I mean, he was legitimately a trade candidate

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<v Speaker 5>in in the spring of twenty twenty two. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to tell you how I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I remember you're writing this.

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<v Speaker 5>Well. I got a call one day, Ruben, from a

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<v Speaker 5>scout from another team and during spring clear Water, and

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<v Speaker 5>he said, hey, look, I've watched Alec Boone play a

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<v Speaker 5>ton I know all about him, you know, between the

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<v Speaker 5>lines as a player, is a good guy. Tell me

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<v Speaker 5>the teammates like him. He's a good guy in the clubhouse.

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<v Speaker 5>So tell me about is you know he's doing that

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<v Speaker 5>background you do on guys, and he kind of swmed

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<v Speaker 5>me to secrecy, and I think, now I'm safe. But

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, I can extrapolate from that that

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<v Speaker 5>he was available for a trade, and so I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it's so win win. The guy's performing better, he's doing

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<v Speaker 5>a great judge, a core player, and he could have

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<v Speaker 5>been moved on. They could have moved on from him,

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<v Speaker 5>probably a couple of times. So patients I mentioned, I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't like that word, but I do like it in

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<v Speaker 5>this regard in terms of player development. I think because

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<v Speaker 5>of the money and the pressure to get to the

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<v Speaker 5>big league quickly and perform, we lose patience in the

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<v Speaker 5>player development process. I think he's a testament to what

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<v Speaker 5>some patients can do and some player development can do

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<v Speaker 5>at the big league level. Development doesn't start the day

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<v Speaker 5>you arrive in the majors. He's gotten better while playing

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<v Speaker 5>in the majors, and offensively and defensively, and now what

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<v Speaker 5>we're seeing is an immensely confident player, a player who

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<v Speaker 5>believes he belongs, a player who is delivering, a player

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<v Speaker 5>who is I mean when I watched that kid hit

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<v Speaker 5>a double and stand on second base and do this

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<v Speaker 5>and smile, I see joy of the game in that face,

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<v Speaker 5>and I love it. I love a good story, and

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<v Speaker 5>Alec Bowman is a good story, a good human story

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<v Speaker 5>of sticking with it, of getting better of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>going from looking over your shoulder and you're looking tentative,

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<v Speaker 5>like a like a newborn giraffe who can barely stand

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<v Speaker 5>up to a guy who's now going to make a

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<v Speaker 5>best of the All Star Game? Soop?

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<v Speaker 1>How about this?

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of development, Rob Thompson, Rubert, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>were there last week in CINCINNATAI he said something that

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<v Speaker 2>if he would have said this two years ago, he

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<v Speaker 2>would been laughed out of the dugout. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think right now, Alec Bowma is an above average defensive

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<v Speaker 2>third baseman, and you can I'm sure if you pulled

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<v Speaker 2>ten different scouts, some would say no, some might say yes,

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<v Speaker 2>some might say he's average. But the fact that Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson can say that and not get laughed out of

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<v Speaker 2>the dugout is another example.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of that development, right I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>He's you know, a few years ago he was getting

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<v Speaker 2>mocked for how bad he was defensively, and now he

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody that when the balls hit there, more often

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<v Speaker 2>than not, you feel like he is going to make

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<v Speaker 2>the play.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, this is part of it brings up

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<v Speaker 4>a really big subject about you know, young players getting

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<v Speaker 4>to the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically they're not finished products. None of them are.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you're watching it with Jackson Holliday, You're watching

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<v Speaker 4>it with all types of plays.

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<v Speaker 1>The guys that get to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Major leagues are almost never ready to actually be they're

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<v Speaker 4>not complete players. They might be ready to compete at

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<v Speaker 4>the major league level in some way, shape or form,

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<v Speaker 4>either defensively or offensively, but they're never a finished product.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, it took Jimmy Rollins and Chase Suttley

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<v Speaker 4>three two three four years to like really become the

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<v Speaker 4>players that they were going to become. That's why there's

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<v Speaker 4>a real progression here. And he's and alec is a

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<v Speaker 4>perfect example of that, not not just offensively, but defensively.

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<v Speaker 4>Was always a question, Okay, we got to move this

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<v Speaker 4>kind at first base. He can't play third base. He's

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<v Speaker 4>gotta play that he's got to play well. He's worked

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<v Speaker 4>his butt off, Dickerson has done. Bobby's done a great

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<v Speaker 4>job of getting him to the point where he believes

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<v Speaker 4>in himself again as as a total.

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<v Speaker 1>Player, not just as an offensive player.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, k Long's helped him, you know, continue And

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<v Speaker 4>and there's also one of those things where there was

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<v Speaker 4>a resistance and a recognition that, Okay, this guy can

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<v Speaker 4>still be a productive player without screwing up his swing.

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<v Speaker 4>Let this guy, okay, he's not hitting the ball of

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<v Speaker 4>the ballpark. Let's not and you touched on it a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit. Let's not screw this guy up. Let this

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<v Speaker 4>guy be himself and be the best version of himself.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what you're seeing starting to see right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's going to get better. I really think it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to get better and better. I'm just overall from

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<v Speaker 4>year to year. Uh And and it is a great story.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really really happy for the guy because I can

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<v Speaker 4>tell you same sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I was one of the spring trainings a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, and I remember going up to al Hey, Alek,

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<v Speaker 4>how you doing, what's going on? And shaking his hand

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<v Speaker 4>and he he sort of shook my hand and he

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<v Speaker 4>was I could see like there was tentativeness in his eyes,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there was not, And I think it's I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's really cool, Jim, that you noticed, you know

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<v Speaker 4>now with you know, he's high five and then doing

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<v Speaker 4>all that stuff and doing a little shimmy and that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of stuff. It's cool that he's feeling like he

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<v Speaker 4>knows he belongs and he knows he can be a

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<v Speaker 4>productive major league player.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, how about the fact I'm seeing a kid who

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<v Speaker 5>just loves the game, and it's hard to love the

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<v Speaker 5>game when you're not playing. Well, that's why I hate golf, Ruben.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand sometimes that's a love hate relationship with me.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, one last.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought on Boem for me is, you know, speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>the comfortability and whatnot and being comfortable in his own skin,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a guy now when he signs autographs, he

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<v Speaker 2>might write I love this place. Like he embraced that

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<v Speaker 2>moment to the point where he is signing that on

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<v Speaker 2>autograph baseballs and there's a T shirt that some company

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<v Speaker 2>makes that he with his signature on it. To embrace

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<v Speaker 2>that moment, I think says a lot about his growth

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<v Speaker 2>as a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, that's a great decision. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>to give Kevin Gregg some love for that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in the PR department, he's run out of

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<v Speaker 4>communications with the Phillies for sort of advising him, Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you're gonna have to face this, you gotta

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna have to, you know, come clean with it

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<v Speaker 4>and be honest with the.

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<v Speaker 1>People about it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think they handled it in a beautiful way

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<v Speaker 4>and it's really helped him.

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<v Speaker 5>And remember, like with Alex, now he's graduated. I guess

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<v Speaker 5>you could stay to the cleanup spot last hand full

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<v Speaker 5>of games there last week. But you know, with all

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<v Speaker 5>the hand ringing about they're not slugging, well there are

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<v Speaker 5>slugging percentages is going way up here on the last

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<v Speaker 5>two weeks and they're leading the they're leading the league

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<v Speaker 5>at home runs.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it's crazy. There you have it, and there you

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<v Speaker 1>have it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just you can't fret over a slow start when

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<v Speaker 5>you have track records like this, when you have ascending

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<v Speaker 5>players like a bomb, like a start like a marsh Guys,

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<v Speaker 5>who are you know? You have the core nucleus with

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<v Speaker 5>the track records, you have the ascending guys. Nice mix, no.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great mix, and it's you know, he's Stot

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<v Speaker 2>might be heating up as well. You know, he's been

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<v Speaker 2>off to a slow start. So man, you get that

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the lineup going, and you get Johann Ross

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<v Speaker 2>just getting on base a little bit every once in

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<v Speaker 2>a while, it's it's it's so big, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce is gonna take off at some point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been pretty good, but you know he's gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>off at some point. But to have Boem and Stott

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<v Speaker 2>Marsh coming back where it all started for him.

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<v Speaker 3>This week in Anaheim, you know, it looks like a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're right, like, remember when they were two and

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<v Speaker 2>four and we were talking about how, my gosh, this

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<v Speaker 2>team can just never get off to a good start,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they're nineteen and ten.

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<v Speaker 5>I was thinking about this today that, you know, because

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<v Speaker 5>Turner's been hot and Baum has been otherworldly. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>Bryce hasn't even you know, we haven't even seen the

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<v Speaker 5>whites of Bryce's eyes yet. He could have had one

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<v Speaker 5>of those months. He's gonna have one of those months.

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<v Speaker 5>He's gonna have two of those months, two of those

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<v Speaker 5>months where it's like an ops that begins with a

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<v Speaker 5>one point one. You know, right, it's gonna be it's

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<v Speaker 5>gonna be dazzling. So he hasn't even begun to fight yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is also the beauty of what baseball is about.

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<v Speaker 4>And people talk about, well, it's such a long Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a long season because there are the ebbs and

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<v Speaker 4>flows and the adjustments that the played players make and

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, the ability to stay healthy and all

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<v Speaker 4>those things are such an important part. And the great ones,

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<v Speaker 4>the great ones, have the ability to concentrate for one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and sixty games or the majority of those games.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I think about you know, the Hall

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<v Speaker 4>of Fame players, those guys had an ability to uh,

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to perform at a very very high

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<v Speaker 4>level for long, long, long periods of time, years and

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<v Speaker 4>years and years, months and months and months played appearance

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<v Speaker 4>after a played appearance, you know, start after start.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what separates the the you know, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Big boys from the little boys, is that their ability

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<v Speaker 4>to do that on a daily basis, and and that's

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<v Speaker 4>the beauty of the game. That's I also will say

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<v Speaker 4>this and reiterate this. One of the reasons why they

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<v Speaker 4>had the slow starts because I don't think they've got

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<v Speaker 4>enough reps in spring training.

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<v Speaker 1>I still believe that to be true.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I do believe, and we talked about this, that

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<v Speaker 4>at some point their reps were going to be enough

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<v Speaker 4>in during the course of the season where they're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>start doing what they typically would do.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're you're seeing that now.

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<v Speaker 3>One guy who got the reps in spring training was

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<v Speaker 3>Ranger Suarez.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. JT.

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<v Speaker 3>Realmuto said it a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, what's a big difference between you know what

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<v Speaker 2>you saw from Ranger in the spring. He's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he was there and he competed. So I got a

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<v Speaker 2>trivia question for you guys. This is in the Phillies

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<v Speaker 2>notes yesterday and I love this. I think it's Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Ware and Phillies pr put this one in the notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Ranger swore his last four starts four and oh zero

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<v Speaker 2>point three zero ERA. Each of those four games were

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<v Speaker 2>played in two hours and fifteen minutes or less. He

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<v Speaker 2>is the first pitcher in baseball Major League Baseball to

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<v Speaker 2>win four consecutive starts in a game that's two hours

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteen minutes or less. Since which pitcher you guys

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<v Speaker 2>know him, knew him. I would say Jim Cott a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more recent than Jim Cott.

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<v Speaker 3>I would slip, I would you're warm, You're warm, You're warm. Rubin.

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<v Speaker 5>Is he warm because he's left hander?

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<v Speaker 3>Now he's warm because he's in that era.

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<v Speaker 5>He's in that era. Steve Carlton.

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<v Speaker 6>Royaladay, Roylladay, Royaladay, Royaliday, July September one of the seventeen

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<v Speaker 6>two thousand and three four straight starts, all under two

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<v Speaker 6>hours and fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>Another guy, another guy I acquired, another guy I acquired.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. I'm posing.

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<v Speaker 5>Do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give it one of these shimmy now that I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>this staff is just ridiculous. I know, I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 4>hit on some of it, but from top of the bottom,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just been spectacular.

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<v Speaker 5>I was looking at eight number eighteen, eighteen quality starts, eighteen.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been watching this since and I gotta, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I gotta sort of refute the power rankings they came

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<v Speaker 7>out with this morning that the Phillies were seventh at

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<v Speaker 7>MLB dot com seventh. I'm like, dude, what is that

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<v Speaker 7>guy smoking?

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<v Speaker 4>There's no way in the world that this is a

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<v Speaker 4>seventh the seventh best team in baseball. I mean, right now,

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<v Speaker 4>they might be number one. They're either one or.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, especially with the pitching.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, obviously Atlanta's you know, playing their asses off too,

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<v Speaker 4>but I mean, and it's tough to cover some ground,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're they're up there with them, They're right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, neck and neck with them because of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the length and breadth of their rotation.

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<v Speaker 7>Listen to the listening to these numbers on this on

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<v Speaker 7>this West coast strip. The trip, so Nola went eight inning,

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<v Speaker 7>seven hits, one walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten strikeouts, seventy percent strike rate.

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<v Speaker 4>Suarez eight innings, pitch, three hits, no walks, eight k's

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<v Speaker 4>sixty seven percent strike rate. And even Walker, who was

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<v Speaker 4>thrown really well upuntil that one inning he gave, he

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<v Speaker 4>blew up at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Heathron is.

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<v Speaker 4>Still you know, six innings, six and the third innings

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<v Speaker 4>six and the third innings most players, most starters can't

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<v Speaker 4>get through the fifth and and uh and ended up

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<v Speaker 4>you know, ninety pitches, fifty nine strikes, sixty six percent.

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<v Speaker 4>They're throwing strikes man and and tremendously rate.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's just been dazzling, and it's it's really good that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I mean, you know, it's way too early

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<v Speaker 5>to talk cy Young, but what the heck we're we're

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<v Speaker 5>on the uh, we're on the Todd Pods. We've been

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<v Speaker 5>the rules a little bit. Let's throw it out. If

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<v Speaker 5>they were to do with the cy Young today, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's ridiculously early, I admit it. You probably have the

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<v Speaker 5>winner and the second or third place finisher and Wheeler.

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<v Speaker 5>As far as Wheeler, I mean, it's it's crazy. But

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<v Speaker 5>you know, having with Spencer Turnbull pitching so well, now

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<v Speaker 5>they're gonna give him another start, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 5>allow them to get Wheeler an extra day, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>gonna get Nola an extra day, which it has the potential,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, to pay dividends down the road, sure, down

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<v Speaker 5>the road September October. And it really helps your rotation

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<v Speaker 5>because they're all pitching so well.

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<v Speaker 4>Now here, So here, here's some numbers I actually put together.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a numbers guy, but with these numbers, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's important. So Wheelers had four straight starts with

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred plus pitches. Nola's had five straight starts with

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<v Speaker 4>over with averaging over ninety plus pitches and then Rangers

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<v Speaker 4>last four starts, he's averaged ninety eight pitches. So for them,

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<v Speaker 4>and I know most of these guys don't like to

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<v Speaker 4>get an extra day, especially Wheeler. We've talked about this before,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think in this sense, I think this is great.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great opportunity to just give them a blow.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's been one month where these guys have

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<v Speaker 4>been like horsing it. They've been horses and it just

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<v Speaker 4>gives them like an extra day right there to get

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<v Speaker 4>them a little bit more you know, a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more space and a little bit more rest.

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<v Speaker 5>And what it does is it it sends a message

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<v Speaker 5>that is not hard to decipher. The message is they

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<v Speaker 5>were a good club, but we're built to play in

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<v Speaker 5>October and we are built to conquer October this year.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know that's what we're what we're investing in. Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>we're investing in keeping you healthy for October because our

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<v Speaker 5>expectations and our stakes are that high.

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<v Speaker 4>And not only that, but they're also protecting the top

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<v Speaker 4>three guys who are going to pitch in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>So Taylor, Wheeler, Suarez and Nola are the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>might be in that order.

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<v Speaker 5>They're getting those two big guys. They're getting those two

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<v Speaker 5>big guys a little rest early or just saving a

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<v Speaker 5>bullet early because they're expecting to play that seventh month

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<v Speaker 5>and go really deep. And those guys are so hugely important. Uh,

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 5>they're here to win the World Series. That's what that's

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<v Speaker 5>what the that's what the expectation is, and that's what

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<v Speaker 5>the stakes are. And it's you know, it's a cliche,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's it's winning the World Series or a bust

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<v Speaker 5>for this team. They got the payroll, they got the

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<v Speaker 5>track records, they got the stars, they got the experience.

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<v Speaker 5>Now they need to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Were you guys encouraged with what Walker Walker did yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>in San Diego? You know, up until that last inning,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he threw a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Cutters and sinkers, and he said after the game his

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>splitter was bad, so he didn't throw He barely threw

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 2>any splitters.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe that's just a one start thing. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have the feel for the pitch.

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.959
<v Speaker 2>But up until that point, you know, all eyes were

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 2>on him going into that start, right, I mean, can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine the reaction if he had given up six

0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 2>runs in the first three innings, it would have been

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, people back home would have been going bananas.

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 2>But up until that last thing, I know people are

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 2>to say, yay, but all the runs count.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that. But were you guys encouraged.

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<v Speaker 2>That that that he's going to keep pitching well or

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 2>potentially pitching well going forward.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, for me, I was surprised. I've actually thought

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:01.760
<v Speaker 4>he threw a lot better than I thought he would throw.

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 4>I honestly, I honestly thought that he was going to

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<v Speaker 4>struggle more. And the fact that he did not have

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 4>his best pitch, Literally, his best pitch is a split.

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no that's no secret, and for him

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 4>to be able to work around that, not to have

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 4>a feel for it and actually pitch effectively. He effectively

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 4>had a quality start until he didn't have a quality

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 4>start and that last inning and made one bad pitch

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 4>to a guy who was swinging out of his rear

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 4>end to try to hit him run, and he threw

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 4>a fastball basically sinker that sank right back into the

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 4>middle I mean center cut into the middle of the plate.

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt like.

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<v Speaker 4>I just felt like he threw a lot better than

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<v Speaker 4>I even expected, honestly, and you know it's going to

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 4>allow him to continue to pitch, and he pitches like that.

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 4>If he can throw six innings of three run baseball,

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 4>oh my goodness, as a number five starter, as.

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 2>The number five starter, right, I think people need to

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 2>remember that he's probably the number five starter on this

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 2>steam because you don't need hi go.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's not. He's not getting paid to be a

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<v Speaker 1>number five starter, but that doesn't matter. He's a starter

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>on the on the staff.

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 3>And so the money, the money's been paid. It doesn't

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 3>matter what really fits. As long as he can give

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 3>you six innings. You know he's getting that money regardless.

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>That's correct, that's correct, And he's been he's listened.

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<v Speaker 7>He's benefited from a lot of run support, run.

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<v Speaker 4>Support, and that's fine. But if he can if he

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<v Speaker 4>can give you six quality innings every time, out, my goodness,

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 4>there's a whole slew of teams that would love that.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely something to build on for the for the young man,

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean, definitely something to build on if he's especially

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<v Speaker 5>if he can separate the first six innings from the

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 5>going off for the seventh and you can see him

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 5>wobbling a little bit there. I think they could even

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 5>get him out of there a batter earlier. But nonetheless,

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 5>I think he should come out of there with something

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 5>to feel good about, something to build on.

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was just a little surprised that he didn't,

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 4>that they didn't have somebody warming and ready that after

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.360
<v Speaker 4>the first couple of batters, I probably would have taken

0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 4>him out. I don't like like the question Rob Thompson

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 4>because Rob has done a very very nice job. But

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 4>in that situation, and Rob talks about it a lot,

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, I want to sort of want to make

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 4>feel make him feel good about his outing. I know

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 4>it's a veteran guy, it's not that big of a

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 4>deal for him, but I bet if it was Christopher Sanchez,

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 4>he probably would not have started that inning.

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>But uh uh. That said that said, I thought I thought.

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 4>Maybe that he might get pulled, that somebody would be

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 4>ready if he faltered the first couple of hitters. Why

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:30.639
<v Speaker 4>put yourself in danger, get him out of there, and

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 4>like let him have a you know, feel good, feel

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 4>good about himself moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Phillies opening a three game series Monday night

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 2>in Anaheim. Angels again, another team that the Phillies on paper,

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 2>should be.

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Able to beat.

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 3>They have lost nine out of their last ten. They've

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:47.959
<v Speaker 3>lost four in a row.

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>It's Christopher Sanchez Monday Night versus Griffin Canning, right hander.

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>He's one of three at the seven to five o

0:26:54.480 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 2>e r A Tuesday, Spencer Turnbull getting another shot, his

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 2>last start for a while. If they go back to

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 2>the five man against Tyler Anderson, who's off their pretty

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>decent start, and then the series finale Zach Wheeler versus

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Sandoval. This is only the fourth time the Phillies

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 2>have ever played in Anaheim. Do you know that they

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>have not won a game in Anaheim since two thousand

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and three. I was not on that two thousand and

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 2>three trip. I was at the Inquire at the time.

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 2>That was my first year on the beat. Jim Salisbury

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 2>covered that series for me and one of my favorite,

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite stories comes from a series I

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>was not at.

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Jim, do you know what I'm talking about? That road trip,

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 3>that series in the Anaheim?

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 5>I do remember that trip was Yeah, it was good.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 5>It was a Monday Tuesday Wednesday series, right, I think so?

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 5>And so, Yeah, Larry Bow and I banged heads a

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 5>little bit on that he was managing the team, and

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 5>I had I had written something during the week that

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 5>ticked him off. So and I had written it in

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 5>my Sunday column in the Inquirer. And uh So the

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 5>team does the clips, all the things that are written

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 5>about the team and all the newspapers and stuff. They

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 5>print them out and stay them together. And so Larry

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 5>they they played a home game on Sunday and Larry

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 5>took the clips on the plane and apparently he read

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 5>something that I wrote and he didn't like. And, as

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 5>John Vukovich later told me, like steam was coming out

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 5>of his ears for five hours.

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>You had that you had effect on people.

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 5>You did a few times too, Joe.

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's just have you now what's that You did that

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to me a few times too.

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, so he had about five hours of steam coming.

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 5>So I walked in the clubhouse the next day and

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 5>John Vukovic, who we all loved dearly, gave me a

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 5>little heads up. I actually thought he was kidna at first.

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 5>He said, hey, watch it, he's he's waiting on you,

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, so I stepped in the office and

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 5>he unloads on me. Peter Pascarelli was there, and Peter's

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 5>an old hardened ball rider, and he was shaking. This

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 5>is how mad Larry was. He had vain sticking out

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 5>of all parts of his head as he's screaming and

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 5>yelling at me. And then he tried to he kind

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 5>of came at me. I thought he was gonna punch me,

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 5>but he was trying to like slam the door in

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 5>my face and get me out of his office because

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 5>he was sick of looking at me. So there was

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 5>a rubber stopper and there he couldn't get the rubber

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 5>stopper out, so he just blew up and throws me

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 5>out of his office. And so they were kind of

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 5>a cold war for two days in Anaheim. And he

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 5>gave you the breeze. I got some freeze. He got

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 5>the breed evil looks, and you know, meanwhile Vukevich is

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 5>over there laughing, you know, but Larry was really upset

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 5>at me. So the third day I come in the

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 5>clubhouse and I kind of poked my head in the

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 5>office and we decided, you know, as old baseball people do,

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 5>and you clear the air, which and it's over. So

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 5>we we had a little talk and we cleared the air.

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 5>He saw where I was coming from. I saw where

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 5>he was coming from, and it was kind of it

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 5>was kind of all good. And and Vukevich comes down

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 5>the hallway and pokes his head in and uh, he says,

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 5>I just want to make sure everything's all right here.

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 5>Larry pats me on the bank, goes tough love. I'm

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 5>tough love straightening them out, and uh. As I'm walking

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 5>out of the room. This was a Wednesday, Thursdays and

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 5>off day. As I'm walking out of Larry's office, he goes,

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 5>make sure you're in Cincinnati Friday night. I'm leading off

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 5>of BRAU because at that time there was this debate

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 5>that had this monstrous on base percentage and there was

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people wanting to hit lead off n

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 5>O three. And he says, I make sure in Cincinnati Friday,

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 5>then I'm gonna lead off a breo. So I'm like, hmm.

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 5>So he went from wanting to kill me to dropping

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 5>a story in my lap. And so I had off

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 5>Days story. I wrote like I kind of knew, like

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, to couch it a little bit, but I wrote,

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, been rumored for a while and talked about

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 5>for a while, but don't be surprised. At Friday Night,

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 5>Larry bau leads off Bobby A Bray and I and

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 5>they went into Cincinnati and sure enough, Bobby Abrao led

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 5>off and they got beat fifteen to one. He did

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 5>well so so that he got off like five games

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 5>and that was it.

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>And that brings up that brings up the other story.

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>The other story.

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 4>Part of that is that I don't think he ever

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 4>told Bobby a Bray who was going to lead him off.

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 4>He didn't have that discussion with him, and he was

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 4>sort of taken by surprise, and that was like it

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 4>was a thing because he had not been necessarily promised

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:53.479
<v Speaker 4>that I get.

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>The thought was he was promised to be the three

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>hole hitter and.

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 4>That's not really I mean, that's where Bobby was used

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 4>to hitting, that's where he wanted to hit, and uh,

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 4>and there was a lot of pride in that. But

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't think bo ever literally talk to him about it.

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't even know that he mentioned it to him

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 4>and all of a sudden boom, Yeah, it's great that

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 4>he talked to you about because I'm not sure if.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>He told Bobby. He let him know.

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 3>He let him know through the inquiry the off the

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 3>inquir story.

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 5>There you go. So that was that's great ballpark. You

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 5>played in that ballpark as a rookie, Rubin.

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I sure did.

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 4>And I mean it's gone through a whole slew of

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 4>transformations and changes, much much prettier now than it was

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 4>back then. But yeah, that's when I got my very

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 4>first my debut. I was pinch running for Dave Parker.

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 4>Dave Parker let off, Dave Parker let off with a

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 4>rocket to write.

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>We were down by a run.

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 4>And this is actually it's an interesting story. I mean,

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 4>you want to hear their story because it's kind of funny.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 4>The Dave Parker, Dave Parker, it's a bullet to right.

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 4>I come in to pinch ront my very first I

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 4>literally could not feel my feet on the ground. I

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 4>could not feel when I came out of the dugout.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't feel my feet. They bumped me over to

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 4>second base sacrifice moved me over. I think it was

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 4>Dick Schofielder, whoever it was, but moved me over. I'm

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 4>at second they almost slid past the bag. I never

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 4>knew how like you know, the ground in Major League

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Baseball was. And I almost slid past the bag. Next

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 4>guy hits like a hump back line drive that Henneman

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 4>was against Detroit. Henneman almost catches, and so I have

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 4>to freeze on it. I can't score because Gary Pettis

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 4>is the center fielder. It's first and third, one out.

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 4>Next guy is Max Ventable.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And he hits an absolute rocket for a double play,

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and we lose the game.

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 4>I get one of my coaches come up to me

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 4>afterwards and goes, you know, you know, do you think

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 4>they remember you if you got doubled off in that situation,

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 4>or if you.

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>If I got doubled off, I would have been crucified.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 4>And it's like he was sort of blaming me for

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 4>not for freezing on the line drive and not scoring

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 4>on a base to center field because it wasn't hit

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<v Speaker 4>all that well, but Henneman like flagged at it and

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<v Speaker 4>almost almost caught it. So I froze and then it

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<v Speaker 4>went to third base, so Bobby Kanopp could not score me.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Venable hits a bullet the second base first,

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<v Speaker 4>four to sixty three, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The game's over. Do you know that that was Jeter Hines?

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<v Speaker 4>So Jeter Hines was one of my coaches in the

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<v Speaker 4>minor leagues, and he came up to me and said,

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<v Speaker 4>like like, he told me I made a base running mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know that?

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<v Speaker 4>Literally twenty years later, twenty years later after that play,

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<v Speaker 4>I saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a GM. Then I go to LA and

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>he's working for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He came up

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<v Speaker 1>to me. To his credit, this is not a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>He came up to me and said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have something to apologize to you about. Wow, So what

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 4>He?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you know, I told you you.

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<v Speaker 4>Made a mister to base running mistake, and I have

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<v Speaker 4>not slept thinking about that play for like twenty years.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, you absolutely made the right base running play.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were so pissed off that.

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<v Speaker 4>You couldn't score on that play and now rightfully so,

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<v Speaker 4>and that we lost that game because of the next

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 4>hitter hit a double play to end the game, that

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<v Speaker 4>we had to find somebody to blame, and for some

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 4>reason we blamed you. And the reality of it was

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<v Speaker 4>that I and I knew in my heart of hearts,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when you're a rookie, you know you don't

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<v Speaker 4>you're sort of you know, you don't want to make

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<v Speaker 4>any mistakes, you know. It's a little well for him

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<v Speaker 4>to have done that and to come to me and

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<v Speaker 4>apologize to me about it. I swear to God because

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that about that for years. That was my

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<v Speaker 4>very first appearance as a major league player. And then

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<v Speaker 4>for them to come to me after the game and

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<v Speaker 4>tell me I screwed it up when I was actually

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<v Speaker 4>a pretty good base runner generally, and that was sort

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<v Speaker 4>of one of the things I did well as a

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<v Speaker 4>as a minor league player and and and as an

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 4>eventual major league player. For them to for him to

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<v Speaker 4>find for them to first of all blame me for

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 4>a play that was not to be blamed for.

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<v Speaker 1>That may that hurt for a long time. And for

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>him to have apologized later on about that, that was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 5>I was amazed. I couldn't even believe that he remembered

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<v Speaker 5>the play.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even be and and for him to have

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<v Speaker 1>done that was was actually really cool.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a great I gotta I gotta tell this story.

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<v Speaker 5>So you mentioned Max Venable. Yeah, so a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>the Phillies bring in his son Will Venable for late

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<v Speaker 5>a late spring training yea try out I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>what you call it, minor league contract. He's gonna he's

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 5>gonna come in for a week to see if you

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<v Speaker 5>make the team.

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<v Speaker 1>So how dare you, Jim, I gotta tell this, how

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 1>dare you?

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<v Speaker 5>So they signed Will and and I'm talking to Todd

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<v Speaker 5>like an hour later, and he goes, they signed Will Vetable.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 5>I go, it's He goes, what I said, it's pronounced.

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 5>It's spelt v E n A b l A. And

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 5>he's like, he goes, I thought it was Vetable. I said, no,

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 5>it's it's it's Vanoble. He goes, Really, I never knew that.

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<v Speaker 5>So now the day our day go this is he

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 5>goes on. We're up in the press box, in and

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<v Speaker 5>out of the clubhouse. We're finally gonna at like four thirty,

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 5>we're gonna meet with Pete mccannon. They signed the guy

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 5>at nine in the morning. I was four thirty and

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 5>we're gonna talk to Pete mccannon. And we're down the

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 5>left field line in clear Water and Tots Todd says, uh,

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 5>what are your plans for.

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<v Speaker 1>What? He looks at him like he's.

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<v Speaker 5>Got ten heads. Henobly his name is Venable. I immediately

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 5>turn a Jim. I'm like, I am gonna murder you.

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know about that one. That's so good, the

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 5>little things you do to keep your sanity on a

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 5>baseball beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, that's a great way to end it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Well, thanks everybody for listening.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be back with you later this week.