1 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to The Phillies Show with Bruben Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: I am Todd Zo Lucky. It is Monday, April nine, 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. The Phillies coming off a sweep of 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: the Padres in San Diego. The Phillies are nineteen and 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: ten overall, they're eighteen and eight in April. 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: Guys, do you know the Phillies have never. 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: Won nineteen games in the month of April. Ever, they 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: have a chance to do that tonight in Anaheim. They're 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: a game and a half behind the Braves. The Phillies, 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: who always get off the slow starts, can now say 12 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: they have. They're tied for the third best record in 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball with the Yankees. 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: They're really playing good baseball. 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: And I thought a good way to start this episode 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: would be talking about a guy whom I'm wondering is 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: he having a breakout year? And that is Alec Boom. 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about him. We're kind of touched 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: on actually in the last episode moving up to the 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: cleanup spot. 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: It's having a great year. 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: I mean he's driving a ton of runs, he's hitting 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: for some power, and am I overstating at guys, when 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: I say, is this the year he finally breaks out, 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: makes an All Star team, enters the conversation maybe as 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: an outside long shot MVP candidate. 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: Am I nuts or. 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: Not? I think all those things are possible. 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: So the beauty of what Alec Bohm brought to the 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: table when he was drafted was that the guy was 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: just more of a pure hitter than he was a 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 4: power guy in the first place. And he's sort of 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: going through that old school progress, right. I always believe 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: that if you're and I think of the guy that 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: I think about as like a rafa Al Palmaro, And 36 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: I know there was some question about, you know, peds 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 4: and all that stuff later on in his career, but 38 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 4: Rafael Palmaro was a very very good pure hitter. I 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: think he came out of Mississippi State or Mississippior whatever. Anyway, 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: he was a really, really, really good hitter. And and 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 4: in fact, when he got to the Cubs in the 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: big leagues, he didn't even make he didn't even he 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 4: wasn't had no ability to pull the ball. He hit 44 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: everything from second base to the left side of the field. 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: And the question was, well, this guy's at first, basement 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: or corner outfitter, is you could ever have enough power 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: to play those positions, even though he's like it's just 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 4: a good, like solid singles hitter, gap to gap type 49 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: of a hitter. Well most much like a lot of 50 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 4: guys who have great bat speed and guys who have 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: great eye hand coordination and just ability to hit. I 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: think you're seeing that out of Alec Bohm right now. 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: He was a very good pure hit. He's always been 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 4: a very good pure hitter. It's always you know, he's 55 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 4: always been able to go sort of gap to gap. 56 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: But the question was was he going to be able 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: to get consistently to the inside pitch the fastball inside 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 4: because he's got really long levers, And whether or not 59 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 4: he's going to be able to get extension on pitches 60 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: on the inside part of the plate, And will he 61 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 4: ever really lost the ball consistently, you know, to hit 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: thirty five or forty home runs. I think he had 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: the raw power to do that, but his swing path 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 4: just isn't It's not like a home run type of 65 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: a launch angle swing path. And I just love the 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: fact that he is now. I talked to Charlie Manuel 67 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: about this all the time. He's starting to understand when 68 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: he needs to make contact out front. There's certain pitches 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: that he can now instead of letting them get too deep, 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: which is a great ability that he has, is letting 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: the ball get deep because he can take a fastball 72 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: on the inside part and smoke it to right center 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 4: or smoke it to right But he's also now learning 74 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: that he can get pitches maybe a little softer or 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: a mistake pitch in the middle of the plate and 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: turn on it. So you see him drilling some balls 77 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: down the left field line. Now, are they going out 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: of the ball park all the time? No, But he's 79 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: smoking them and their extra base hits. 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: And who cares? I mean, as far as I'm concerned. 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: When when you're having those types of a bats and 82 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: you're hitting the herd, who cares Whether you're hitting home runs, 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: you're producing runs, you're producing bullets, you're hitting the baseball 84 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: over the place, And as long as you're hitting the 85 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: ball hard somewhere. 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: And doing it as consistently as he is, it's a 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: fun thing to watch. Man. 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 4: I know this is you know, every every hitter gets hot, 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: and you know has has those hot spurts and and 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: he'll cool off. There's no question. Nobody can hit like 91 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: this for the rest of their lives. It's not going 92 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 4: to happen. But his overall approach has put him in 93 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 4: this position. And I think his overall confidence and ability 94 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: to make contact a little bit further out front in 95 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 4: his in his contact point and being confident to be 96 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: able to do that, you know, reach out more comfortably 97 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: in a more relaxed way. I think it's made him 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 4: It's going to make him one of the more complete 99 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: hitters moving forward, because it's harder to go from being, 100 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: you know, a home run hitter to being like a 101 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: you know, making contact and being able to cover plate 102 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: then going the other way. And I think that this 103 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: is just like an old school progression for a young 104 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: man who now feels very comfortable in his skin as 105 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: a player and is becoming the kind of offensive player 106 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 4: that I think that they hoped they were getting when 107 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 4: they drafted him. 108 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you mentioned he's getting comfortable in his skin, 109 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 5: and I think hand in hand with that is confidence. 110 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 5: You mentioned that as well. I just see a very 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 5: confident hitter who has stayed true to his style of hitting. 112 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 5: If there were ever temptations. And I don't know that 113 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 5: they ever asked them to lift the ball, but if 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 5: there were ever temptations to do that in baseball in 115 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 5: the two thousand and twenties, we see a lot of it. 116 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 5: He's resisted it. He's got a little inside out, and 117 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: he's really learning to use the bat head line drive approach. 118 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 5: I remember when they drafted him looking at his numbers 119 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 5: at which toss state, and there was you could see 120 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 5: a player that just got better. You could just see 121 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 5: it in the numbers, a player that got better and 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 5: better every year. Kid cod league, which toss state. You 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 5: also could see that he was a selective hitter. He 124 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: really knew the strike zone. One word that bothers me 125 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 5: is patience. You know, we say, somebody a hitter, or 126 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: be patient. To me, the goal should be selectivity because 127 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 5: you get a cookie early. Why do you want to 128 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 5: be patient? But he's a very selective hitter and has 129 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 5: had that kind of in his DNA, And I just 130 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 5: see a guy really learning to use the bat head 131 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 5: to his advantage. And you're seeing the confidence right now. 132 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 5: And I just think it's an amazing story because and 133 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 5: the way he hits with on base it's been amazing 134 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 5: since day one. But I think it's a great story 135 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 5: because we all know that night against the Mets when 136 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 5: he made the errors, But that to me was only 137 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 5: only shows part of his journey. If you look back 138 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 5: to the spring of twenty twenty two, you remember this Todd. 139 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 5: I mean, he really lacked confidence. At one point Joe 140 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 5: Girardi started playing Bryson Stott at third base and pronounced 141 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 5: that he has a chance to be the opening day 142 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 5: guy with Bom having to go to Triple A. And 143 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: I remember him walking down the clubhouse to that spring 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 5: and you know, looking at times for long, looking like 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 5: he lost his best friend, just looking like he needed 146 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 5: a shot of confidence. And he's gotten it, you know, 147 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 5: with the help of others, but he's gotten it through 148 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 5: his performance. I mean, he was legitimately a trade candidate 149 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 5: in in the spring of twenty twenty two. And I'm 150 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 5: going to tell you how I know this. 151 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, I remember you're writing this. 152 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: Well. I got a call one day, Ruben, from a 153 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: scout from another team and during spring clear Water, and 154 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 5: he said, hey, look, I've watched Alec Boone play a 155 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 5: ton I know all about him, you know, between the 156 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 5: lines as a player, is a good guy. Tell me 157 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 5: the teammates like him. He's a good guy in the clubhouse. 158 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: So tell me about is you know he's doing that 159 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: background you do on guys, and he kind of swmed 160 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 5: me to secrecy, and I think, now I'm safe. But 161 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I can extrapolate from that that 162 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 5: he was available for a trade, and so I mean, 163 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 5: it's so win win. The guy's performing better, he's doing 164 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 5: a great judge, a core player, and he could have 165 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: been moved on. They could have moved on from him, 166 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 5: probably a couple of times. So patients I mentioned, I 167 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 5: didn't like that word, but I do like it in 168 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 5: this regard in terms of player development. I think because 169 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 5: of the money and the pressure to get to the 170 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 5: big league quickly and perform, we lose patience in the 171 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 5: player development process. I think he's a testament to what 172 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: some patients can do and some player development can do 173 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 5: at the big league level. Development doesn't start the day 174 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 5: you arrive in the majors. He's gotten better while playing 175 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 5: in the majors, and offensively and defensively, and now what 176 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: we're seeing is an immensely confident player, a player who 177 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: believes he belongs, a player who is delivering, a player 178 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 5: who is I mean when I watched that kid hit 179 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 5: a double and stand on second base and do this 180 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 5: and smile, I see joy of the game in that face, 181 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 5: and I love it. I love a good story, and 182 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 5: Alec Bowman is a good story, a good human story 183 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 5: of sticking with it, of getting better of you know, 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 5: going from looking over your shoulder and you're looking tentative, 185 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: like a like a newborn giraffe who can barely stand 186 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 5: up to a guy who's now going to make a 187 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 5: best of the All Star Game? Soop? 188 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: How about this? 189 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: In terms of development, Rob Thompson, Rubert, I think you 190 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: were there last week in CINCINNATAI he said something that 191 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: if he would have said this two years ago, he 192 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: would been laughed out of the dugout. He said, I 193 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,239 Speaker 2: think right now, Alec Bowma is an above average defensive 194 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: third baseman, and you can I'm sure if you pulled 195 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: ten different scouts, some would say no, some might say yes, 196 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: some might say he's average. But the fact that Rob 197 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: Thompson can say that and not get laughed out of 198 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: the dugout is another example. 199 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: I think of that development, right I mean. 200 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: He's you know, a few years ago he was getting 201 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: mocked for how bad he was defensively, and now he 202 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: is somebody that when the balls hit there, more often 203 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: than not, you feel like he is going to make 204 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: the play. 205 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is part of it brings up 206 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: a really big subject about you know, young players getting 207 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 4: to the big leagues. 208 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: Typically they're not finished products. None of them are. 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: I mean, you're watching it with Jackson Holliday, You're watching 210 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 4: it with all types of plays. 211 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: The guys that get to the. 212 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: Major leagues are almost never ready to actually be they're 213 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 4: not complete players. They might be ready to compete at 214 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: the major league level in some way, shape or form, 215 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 4: either defensively or offensively, but they're never a finished product. 216 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: And you know, it took Jimmy Rollins and Chase Suttley 217 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: three two three four years to like really become the 218 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: players that they were going to become. That's why there's 219 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: a real progression here. And he's and alec is a 220 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 4: perfect example of that, not not just offensively, but defensively. 221 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 4: Was always a question, Okay, we got to move this 222 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 4: kind at first base. He can't play third base. He's 223 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 4: gotta play that he's got to play well. He's worked 224 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 4: his butt off, Dickerson has done. Bobby's done a great 225 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: job of getting him to the point where he believes 226 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: in himself again as as a total. 227 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: Player, not just as an offensive player. 228 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 4: I mean, k Long's helped him, you know, continue And 229 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: and there's also one of those things where there was 230 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: a resistance and a recognition that, Okay, this guy can 231 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 4: still be a productive player without screwing up his swing. 232 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: Let this guy, okay, he's not hitting the ball of 233 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: the ballpark. Let's not and you touched on it a 234 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 4: little bit. Let's not screw this guy up. Let this 235 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 4: guy be himself and be the best version of himself. 236 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 4: And that's what you're seeing starting to see right now. 237 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: And it's going to get better. I really think it's 238 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: going to get better and better. I'm just overall from 239 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: year to year. Uh And and it is a great story. 240 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 4: I'm really really happy for the guy because I can 241 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: tell you same sort of thing. 242 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: I think. 243 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 4: I was one of the spring trainings a couple of 244 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: years ago, and I remember going up to al Hey, Alek, 245 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 4: how you doing, what's going on? And shaking his hand 246 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: and he he sort of shook my hand and he 247 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: was I could see like there was tentativeness in his eyes, 248 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 4: you know, there was not, And I think it's I 249 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: think it's really cool, Jim, that you noticed, you know 250 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 4: now with you know, he's high five and then doing 251 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 4: all that stuff and doing a little shimmy and that 252 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 4: kind of stuff. It's cool that he's feeling like he 253 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 4: knows he belongs and he knows he can be a 254 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: productive major league player. 255 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 5: Well, how about the fact I'm seeing a kid who 256 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 5: just loves the game, and it's hard to love the 257 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,119 Speaker 5: game when you're not playing. Well, that's why I hate golf, Ruben. 258 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: I understand sometimes that's a love hate relationship with me. 259 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 5: Well, one last. 260 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 2: Thought on Boem for me is, you know, speaking of 261 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: the comfortability and whatnot and being comfortable in his own skin, 262 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: this is a guy now when he signs autographs, he 263 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: might write I love this place. Like he embraced that 264 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: moment to the point where he is signing that on 265 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: autograph baseballs and there's a T shirt that some company 266 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: makes that he with his signature on it. To embrace 267 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: that moment, I think says a lot about his growth 268 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: as a human being. 269 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's a great decision. And I got 270 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: to give Kevin Gregg some love for that. 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: You know, in the PR department, he's run out of 272 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 4: communications with the Phillies for sort of advising him, Hey, 273 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: you know, you're gonna have to face this, you gotta 274 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 4: You're gonna have to, you know, come clean with it 275 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: and be honest with the. 276 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: People about it. 277 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: And I think they handled it in a beautiful way 278 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: and it's really helped him. 279 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 5: And remember, like with Alex, now he's graduated. I guess 280 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 5: you could stay to the cleanup spot last hand full 281 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: of games there last week. But you know, with all 282 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 5: the hand ringing about they're not slugging, well there are 283 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: slugging percentages is going way up here on the last 284 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: two weeks and they're leading the they're leading the league 285 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 5: at home runs. 286 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: Now, it's crazy. There you have it, and there you 287 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: have it. 288 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 5: It's just you can't fret over a slow start when 289 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 5: you have track records like this, when you have ascending 290 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 5: players like a bomb, like a start like a marsh Guys, 291 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 5: who are you know? You have the core nucleus with 292 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 5: the track records, you have the ascending guys. Nice mix, no. 293 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: It's a great mix, and it's you know, he's Stot 294 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: might be heating up as well. You know, he's been 295 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: off to a slow start. So man, you get that 296 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: bottom of the lineup going, and you get Johann Ross 297 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: just getting on base a little bit every once in 298 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: a while, it's it's it's so big, and you know 299 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Bryce is gonna take off at some point. I mean, 300 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: he's been pretty good, but you know he's gonna take 301 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: off at some point. But to have Boem and Stott 302 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: Marsh coming back where it all started for him. 303 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: This week in Anaheim, you know, it looks like a 304 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: pretty good lineup. 305 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: And you're right, like, remember when they were two and 306 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: four and we were talking about how, my gosh, this 307 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: team can just never get off to a good start, 308 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: and now they're nineteen and ten. 309 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 5: I was thinking about this today that, you know, because 310 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 5: Turner's been hot and Baum has been otherworldly. You mentioned 311 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 5: Bryce hasn't even you know, we haven't even seen the 312 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 5: whites of Bryce's eyes yet. He could have had one 313 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 5: of those months. He's gonna have one of those months. 314 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 5: He's gonna have two of those months, two of those 315 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 5: months where it's like an ops that begins with a 316 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 5: one point one. You know, right, it's gonna be it's 317 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 5: gonna be dazzling. So he hasn't even begun to fight yet. 318 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: So this is also the beauty of what baseball is about. 319 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: And people talk about, well, it's such a long Yeah, 320 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: it's a long season because there are the ebbs and 321 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: flows and the adjustments that the played players make and 322 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 4: and you know, the ability to stay healthy and all 323 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: those things are such an important part. And the great ones, 324 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: the great ones, have the ability to concentrate for one 325 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty games or the majority of those games. 326 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 4: And you know, I think about you know, the Hall 327 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: of Fame players, those guys had an ability to uh, 328 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 4: to be able to perform at a very very high 329 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: level for long, long, long periods of time, years and 330 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: years and years, months and months and months played appearance 331 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: after a played appearance, you know, start after start. 332 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: And so that's what separates the the you know, the. 333 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: Big boys from the little boys, is that their ability 334 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: to do that on a daily basis, and and that's 335 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: the beauty of the game. That's I also will say 336 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: this and reiterate this. One of the reasons why they 337 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: had the slow starts because I don't think they've got 338 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: enough reps in spring training. 339 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I still believe that to be true. 340 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: Now, I do believe, and we talked about this, that 341 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: at some point their reps were going to be enough 342 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 4: in during the course of the season where they're gonna 343 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 4: start doing what they typically would do. 344 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: And you're you're seeing that now. 345 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 3: One guy who got the reps in spring training was 346 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: Ranger Suarez. 347 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: You know. JT. 348 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: Realmuto said it a couple of weeks ago. 349 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: He said, what's a big difference between you know what 350 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: you saw from Ranger in the spring. He's like, well, 351 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: he was there and he competed. So I got a 352 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: trivia question for you guys. This is in the Phillies 353 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: notes yesterday and I love this. I think it's Chris 354 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: Ware and Phillies pr put this one in the notes. 355 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: Ranger swore his last four starts four and oh zero 356 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: point three zero ERA. Each of those four games were 357 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: played in two hours and fifteen minutes or less. He 358 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: is the first pitcher in baseball Major League Baseball to 359 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: win four consecutive starts in a game that's two hours 360 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: and fifteen minutes or less. Since which pitcher you guys 361 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: know him, knew him. I would say Jim Cott a 362 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: little bit more recent than Jim Cott. 363 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: I would slip, I would you're warm, You're warm, You're warm. Rubin. 364 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 5: Is he warm because he's left hander? 365 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 3: Now he's warm because he's in that era. 366 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 5: He's in that era. Steve Carlton. 367 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 6: Royaladay, Roylladay, Royaladay, Royaliday, July September one of the seventeen 368 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 6: two thousand and three four straight starts, all under two 369 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 6: hours and fifteen minutes. 370 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 4: Another guy, another guy I acquired, another guy I acquired. 371 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I'm posing. 372 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 5: Do this. 373 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 4: I'll give it one of these shimmy now that I mean, listen, 374 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 4: this staff is just ridiculous. I know, I'm sure we'll 375 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: hit on some of it, but from top of the bottom, 376 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: it's just been spectacular. 377 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 5: I was looking at eight number eighteen, eighteen quality starts, eighteen. 378 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 7: I've been watching this since and I gotta, you know, 379 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 7: I gotta sort of refute the power rankings they came 380 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 7: out with this morning that the Phillies were seventh at 381 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 7: MLB dot com seventh. I'm like, dude, what is that 382 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 7: guy smoking? 383 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: There's no way in the world that this is a 384 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 4: seventh the seventh best team in baseball. I mean, right now, 385 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: they might be number one. They're either one or. 386 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: Two, especially with the pitching. 387 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Atlanta's you know, playing their asses off too, 388 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 4: but I mean, and it's tough to cover some ground, 389 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: but they're they're up there with them, They're right. 390 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: You know, neck and neck with them because of the 391 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: of the length and breadth of their rotation. 392 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 7: Listen to the listening to these numbers on this on 393 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 7: this West coast strip. The trip, so Nola went eight inning, 394 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 7: seven hits, one walk. 395 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: Ten strikeouts, seventy percent strike rate. 396 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 4: Suarez eight innings, pitch, three hits, no walks, eight k's 397 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 4: sixty seven percent strike rate. And even Walker, who was 398 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: thrown really well upuntil that one inning he gave, he 399 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: blew up at the end. 400 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: I mean, Heathron is. 401 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 4: Still you know, six innings, six and the third innings 402 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 4: six and the third innings most players, most starters can't 403 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 4: get through the fifth and and uh and ended up 404 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: you know, ninety pitches, fifty nine strikes, sixty six percent. 405 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: They're throwing strikes man and and tremendously rate. 406 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: And it's just been dazzling, and it's it's really good that, 407 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 5: you know, I mean, you know, it's way too early 408 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 5: to talk cy Young, but what the heck we're we're 409 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 5: on the uh, we're on the Todd Pods. We've been 410 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: the rules a little bit. Let's throw it out. If 411 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 5: they were to do with the cy Young today, and 412 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 5: it's ridiculously early, I admit it. You probably have the 413 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 5: winner and the second or third place finisher and Wheeler. 414 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 5: As far as Wheeler, I mean, it's it's crazy. But 415 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 5: you know, having with Spencer Turnbull pitching so well, now 416 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 5: they're gonna give him another start, and it's going to 417 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 5: allow them to get Wheeler an extra day, and they're 418 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 5: gonna get Nola an extra day, which it has the potential, 419 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 5: you know, to pay dividends down the road, sure, down 420 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 5: the road September October. And it really helps your rotation 421 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 5: because they're all pitching so well. 422 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: Now here, So here, here's some numbers I actually put together. 423 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 4: I'm not a numbers guy, but with these numbers, I 424 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: think it's important. So Wheelers had four straight starts with 425 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 4: one hundred plus pitches. Nola's had five straight starts with 426 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: over with averaging over ninety plus pitches and then Rangers 427 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 4: last four starts, he's averaged ninety eight pitches. So for them, 428 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 4: and I know most of these guys don't like to 429 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: get an extra day, especially Wheeler. We've talked about this before, 430 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 4: but I think in this sense, I think this is great. 431 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 4: It's a great opportunity to just give them a blow. 432 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: I mean, it's been one month where these guys have 433 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 4: been like horsing it. They've been horses and it just 434 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 4: gives them like an extra day right there to get 435 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: them a little bit more you know, a little bit 436 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: more space and a little bit more rest. 437 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 5: And what it does is it it sends a message 438 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 5: that is not hard to decipher. The message is they 439 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 5: were a good club, but we're built to play in 440 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: October and we are built to conquer October this year. 441 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: So you know that's what we're what we're investing in. Uh, 442 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 5: we're investing in keeping you healthy for October because our 443 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 5: expectations and our stakes are that high. 444 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 4: And not only that, but they're also protecting the top 445 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 4: three guys who are going to pitch in the playoffs. 446 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: So Taylor, Wheeler, Suarez and Nola are the guys that 447 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: might be in that order. 448 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 5: They're getting those two big guys. They're getting those two 449 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 5: big guys a little rest early or just saving a 450 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 5: bullet early because they're expecting to play that seventh month 451 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 5: and go really deep. And those guys are so hugely important. Uh, 452 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 5: they're here to win the World Series. That's what that's 453 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: what the that's what the expectation is, and that's what 454 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: the stakes are. And it's you know, it's a cliche, 455 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 5: but it's it's winning the World Series or a bust 456 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 5: for this team. They got the payroll, they got the 457 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: track records, they got the stars, they got the experience. 458 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: Now they need to do it. 459 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: Were you guys encouraged with what Walker Walker did yesterday 460 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: in San Diego? You know, up until that last inning, 461 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: you know, he threw a lot of. 462 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: Cutters and sinkers, and he said after the game his 463 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: splitter was bad, so he didn't throw He barely threw 464 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: any splitters. 465 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 3: And maybe that's just a one start thing. He didn't 466 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: have the feel for the pitch. 467 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 2: But up until that point, you know, all eyes were 468 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: on him going into that start, right, I mean, can 469 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: you imagine the reaction if he had given up six 470 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: runs in the first three innings, it would have been 471 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, people back home would have been going bananas. 472 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: But up until that last thing, I know people are 473 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: to say, yay, but all the runs count. 474 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 3: I understand that. But were you guys encouraged. 475 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: That that that he's going to keep pitching well or 476 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: potentially pitching well going forward. 477 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 4: I mean, for me, I was surprised. I've actually thought 478 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 4: he threw a lot better than I thought he would throw. 479 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 4: I honestly, I honestly thought that he was going to 480 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: struggle more. And the fact that he did not have 481 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 4: his best pitch, Literally, his best pitch is a split. 482 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 4: I mean, there's no that's no secret, and for him 483 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: to be able to work around that, not to have 484 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: a feel for it and actually pitch effectively. He effectively 485 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 4: had a quality start until he didn't have a quality 486 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: start and that last inning and made one bad pitch 487 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 4: to a guy who was swinging out of his rear 488 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 4: end to try to hit him run, and he threw 489 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 4: a fastball basically sinker that sank right back into the 490 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 4: middle I mean center cut into the middle of the plate. 491 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: I just felt like. 492 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 4: I just felt like he threw a lot better than 493 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: I even expected, honestly, and you know it's going to 494 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: allow him to continue to pitch, and he pitches like that. 495 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: If he can throw six innings of three run baseball, 496 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: oh my goodness, as a number five starter, as. 497 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: The number five starter, right, I think people need to 498 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: remember that he's probably the number five starter on this 499 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: steam because you don't need hi go. 500 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: No, he's not. He's not getting paid to be a 501 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: number five starter, but that doesn't matter. He's a starter 502 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: on the on the staff. 503 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: And so the money, the money's been paid. It doesn't 504 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: matter what really fits. As long as he can give 505 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: you six innings. You know he's getting that money regardless. 506 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: That's correct, that's correct, And he's been he's listened. 507 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 7: He's benefited from a lot of run support, run. 508 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 4: Support, and that's fine. But if he can if he 509 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 4: can give you six quality innings every time, out, my goodness, 510 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 4: there's a whole slew of teams that would love that. 511 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 5: Definitely something to build on for the for the young man, 512 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 5: I mean, definitely something to build on if he's especially 513 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 5: if he can separate the first six innings from the 514 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 5: going off for the seventh and you can see him 515 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 5: wobbling a little bit there. I think they could even 516 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 5: get him out of there a batter earlier. But nonetheless, 517 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 5: I think he should come out of there with something 518 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 5: to feel good about, something to build on. 519 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just a little surprised that he didn't, 520 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: that they didn't have somebody warming and ready that after 521 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 4: the first couple of batters, I probably would have taken 522 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 4: him out. I don't like like the question Rob Thompson 523 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 4: because Rob has done a very very nice job. But 524 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 4: in that situation, and Rob talks about it a lot, 525 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 4: you know, I want to sort of want to make 526 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 4: feel make him feel good about his outing. I know 527 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: it's a veteran guy, it's not that big of a 528 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: deal for him, but I bet if it was Christopher Sanchez, 529 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: he probably would not have started that inning. 530 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: But uh uh. That said that said, I thought I thought. 531 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: Maybe that he might get pulled, that somebody would be 532 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: ready if he faltered the first couple of hitters. Why 533 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 4: put yourself in danger, get him out of there, and 534 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 4: like let him have a you know, feel good, feel 535 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 4: good about himself moment. 536 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: So the Phillies opening a three game series Monday night 537 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: in Anaheim. Angels again, another team that the Phillies on paper, 538 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: should be. 539 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: Able to beat. 540 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: They have lost nine out of their last ten. They've 541 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 3: lost four in a row. 542 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: It's Christopher Sanchez Monday Night versus Griffin Canning, right hander. 543 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: He's one of three at the seven to five o 544 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: e r A Tuesday, Spencer Turnbull getting another shot, his 545 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: last start for a while. If they go back to 546 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: the five man against Tyler Anderson, who's off their pretty 547 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: decent start, and then the series finale Zach Wheeler versus 548 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: Patrick Sandoval. This is only the fourth time the Phillies 549 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: have ever played in Anaheim. Do you know that they 550 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: have not won a game in Anaheim since two thousand 551 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: and three. I was not on that two thousand and 552 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: three trip. I was at the Inquire at the time. 553 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: That was my first year on the beat. Jim Salisbury 554 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: covered that series for me and one of my favorite, 555 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: one of my favorite stories comes from a series I 556 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: was not at. 557 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: Jim, do you know what I'm talking about? That road trip, 558 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: that series in the Anaheim? 559 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 5: I do remember that trip was Yeah, it was good. 560 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 5: It was a Monday Tuesday Wednesday series, right, I think so? 561 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 5: And so, Yeah, Larry Bow and I banged heads a 562 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 5: little bit on that he was managing the team, and 563 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 5: I had I had written something during the week that 564 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 5: ticked him off. So and I had written it in 565 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 5: my Sunday column in the Inquirer. And uh So the 566 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 5: team does the clips, all the things that are written 567 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 5: about the team and all the newspapers and stuff. They 568 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 5: print them out and stay them together. And so Larry 569 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 5: they they played a home game on Sunday and Larry 570 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 5: took the clips on the plane and apparently he read 571 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 5: something that I wrote and he didn't like. And, as 572 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 5: John Vukovich later told me, like steam was coming out 573 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 5: of his ears for five hours. 574 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: You had that you had effect on people. 575 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 5: You did a few times too, Joe. 576 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Let's just have you now what's that You did that 577 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: to me a few times too. 578 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 5: So yeah, so he had about five hours of steam coming. 579 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 5: So I walked in the clubhouse the next day and 580 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 5: John Vukovic, who we all loved dearly, gave me a 581 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 5: little heads up. I actually thought he was kidna at first. 582 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 5: He said, hey, watch it, he's he's waiting on you, 583 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 5: and I'm like, so I stepped in the office and 584 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 5: he unloads on me. Peter Pascarelli was there, and Peter's 585 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: an old hardened ball rider, and he was shaking. This 586 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 5: is how mad Larry was. He had vain sticking out 587 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 5: of all parts of his head as he's screaming and 588 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 5: yelling at me. And then he tried to he kind 589 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 5: of came at me. I thought he was gonna punch me, 590 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 5: but he was trying to like slam the door in 591 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 5: my face and get me out of his office because 592 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 5: he was sick of looking at me. So there was 593 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 5: a rubber stopper and there he couldn't get the rubber 594 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 5: stopper out, so he just blew up and throws me 595 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 5: out of his office. And so they were kind of 596 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 5: a cold war for two days in Anaheim. And he 597 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 5: gave you the breeze. I got some freeze. He got 598 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 5: the breed evil looks, and you know, meanwhile Vukevich is 599 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 5: over there laughing, you know, but Larry was really upset 600 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 5: at me. So the third day I come in the 601 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 5: clubhouse and I kind of poked my head in the 602 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 5: office and we decided, you know, as old baseball people do, 603 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: and you clear the air, which and it's over. So 604 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 5: we we had a little talk and we cleared the air. 605 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 5: He saw where I was coming from. I saw where 606 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 5: he was coming from, and it was kind of it 607 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 5: was kind of all good. And and Vukevich comes down 608 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 5: the hallway and pokes his head in and uh, he says, 609 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 5: I just want to make sure everything's all right here. 610 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 5: Larry pats me on the bank, goes tough love. I'm 611 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 5: tough love straightening them out, and uh. As I'm walking 612 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 5: out of the room. This was a Wednesday, Thursdays and 613 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 5: off day. As I'm walking out of Larry's office, he goes, 614 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 5: make sure you're in Cincinnati Friday night. I'm leading off 615 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 5: of BRAU because at that time there was this debate 616 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 5: that had this monstrous on base percentage and there was 617 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 5: a lot of people wanting to hit lead off n 618 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 5: O three. And he says, I make sure in Cincinnati Friday, 619 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 5: then I'm gonna lead off a breo. So I'm like, hmm. 620 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 5: So he went from wanting to kill me to dropping 621 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 5: a story in my lap. And so I had off 622 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 5: Days story. I wrote like I kind of knew, like 623 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 5: you know, to couch it a little bit, but I wrote, 624 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 5: you know, been rumored for a while and talked about 625 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 5: for a while, but don't be surprised. At Friday Night, 626 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 5: Larry bau leads off Bobby A Bray and I and 627 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 5: they went into Cincinnati and sure enough, Bobby Abrao led 628 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 5: off and they got beat fifteen to one. He did 629 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 5: well so so that he got off like five games 630 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 5: and that was it. 631 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: And that brings up that brings up the other story. 632 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: The other story. 633 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 4: Part of that is that I don't think he ever 634 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 4: told Bobby a Bray who was going to lead him off. 635 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 4: He didn't have that discussion with him, and he was 636 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: sort of taken by surprise, and that was like it 637 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 4: was a thing because he had not been necessarily promised 638 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 4: that I get. 639 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: The thought was he was promised to be the three 640 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: hole hitter and. 641 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 4: That's not really I mean, that's where Bobby was used 642 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 4: to hitting, that's where he wanted to hit, and uh, 643 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 4: and there was a lot of pride in that. But 644 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 4: I don't think bo ever literally talk to him about it. 645 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 4: I don't even know that he mentioned it to him 646 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden boom, Yeah, it's great that 647 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 4: he talked to you about because I'm not sure if. 648 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: He told Bobby. He let him know. 649 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: He let him know through the inquiry the off the 650 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: inquir story. 651 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 5: There you go. So that was that's great ballpark. You 652 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 5: played in that ballpark as a rookie, Rubin. 653 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I sure did. 654 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: And I mean it's gone through a whole slew of 655 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 4: transformations and changes, much much prettier now than it was 656 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: back then. But yeah, that's when I got my very 657 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 4: first my debut. I was pinch running for Dave Parker. 658 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 4: Dave Parker let off, Dave Parker let off with a 659 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 4: rocket to write. 660 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: We were down by a run. 661 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 4: And this is actually it's an interesting story. I mean, 662 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 4: you want to hear their story because it's kind of funny. 663 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: The Dave Parker, Dave Parker, it's a bullet to right. 664 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: I come in to pinch ront my very first I 665 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 4: literally could not feel my feet on the ground. I 666 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 4: could not feel when I came out of the dugout. 667 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 4: I couldn't feel my feet. They bumped me over to 668 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 4: second base sacrifice moved me over. I think it was 669 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: Dick Schofielder, whoever it was, but moved me over. I'm 670 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 4: at second they almost slid past the bag. I never 671 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 4: knew how like you know, the ground in Major League 672 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 4: Baseball was. And I almost slid past the bag. Next 673 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 4: guy hits like a hump back line drive that Henneman 674 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: was against Detroit. Henneman almost catches, and so I have 675 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: to freeze on it. I can't score because Gary Pettis 676 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 4: is the center fielder. It's first and third, one out. 677 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 4: Next guy is Max Ventable. 678 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: And he hits an absolute rocket for a double play, 679 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: and we lose the game. 680 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 4: I get one of my coaches come up to me 681 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 4: afterwards and goes, you know, you know, do you think 682 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: they remember you if you got doubled off in that situation, 683 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 4: or if you. 684 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: If I got doubled off, I would have been crucified. 685 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? 686 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 4: And it's like he was sort of blaming me for 687 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 4: not for freezing on the line drive and not scoring 688 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 4: on a base to center field because it wasn't hit 689 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 4: all that well, but Henneman like flagged at it and 690 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 4: almost almost caught it. So I froze and then it 691 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 4: went to third base, so Bobby Kanopp could not score me. 692 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: And then Venable hits a bullet the second base first, 693 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 4: four to sixty three, and. 694 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: The game's over. Do you know that that was Jeter Hines? 695 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 4: So Jeter Hines was one of my coaches in the 696 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 4: minor leagues, and he came up to me and said, 697 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 4: like like, he told me I made a base running mistake. 698 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: Do you know that? 699 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 4: Literally twenty years later, twenty years later after that play, 700 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: I saw him. 701 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: I was a GM. Then I go to LA and 702 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: he's working for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He came up 703 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: to me. To his credit, this is not a lie. 704 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: He came up to me and said, you know, I 705 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: have something to apologize to you about. Wow, So what 706 00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: is it? 707 00:34:59,800 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 4: He? 708 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: He said, you know, I told you you. 709 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 4: Made a mister to base running mistake, and I have 710 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 4: not slept thinking about that play for like twenty years. 711 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 4: He said, you absolutely made the right base running play. 712 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: And we were so pissed off that. 713 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 4: You couldn't score on that play and now rightfully so, 714 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: and that we lost that game because of the next 715 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 4: hitter hit a double play to end the game, that 716 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 4: we had to find somebody to blame, and for some 717 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 4: reason we blamed you. And the reality of it was 718 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 4: that I and I knew in my heart of hearts, 719 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 4: you know, when you're a rookie, you know you don't 720 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 4: you're sort of you know, you don't want to make 721 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 4: any mistakes, you know. It's a little well for him 722 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 4: to have done that and to come to me and 723 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 4: apologize to me about it. I swear to God because 724 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 4: I thought that about that for years. That was my 725 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 4: very first appearance as a major league player. And then 726 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 4: for them to come to me after the game and 727 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 4: tell me I screwed it up when I was actually 728 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 4: a pretty good base runner generally, and that was sort 729 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 4: of one of the things I did well as a 730 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 4: as a minor league player and and and as an 731 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 4: eventual major league player. For them to for him to 732 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 4: find for them to first of all blame me for 733 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 4: a play that was not to be blamed for. 734 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: That may that hurt for a long time. And for 735 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: him to have apologized later on about that, that was 736 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: pretty cool. 737 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 5: I was amazed. I couldn't even believe that he remembered 738 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 5: the play. 739 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't even be and and for him to have 740 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: done that was was actually really cool. 741 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 5: That's a great I gotta I gotta tell this story. 742 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 5: So you mentioned Max Venable. Yeah, so a few years ago, 743 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 5: the Phillies bring in his son Will Venable for late 744 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 5: a late spring training yea try out I don't know 745 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 5: what you call it, minor league contract. He's gonna he's 746 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 5: gonna come in for a week to see if you 747 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 5: make the team. 748 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: So how dare you, Jim, I gotta tell this, how 749 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: dare you? 750 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 5: So they signed Will and and I'm talking to Todd 751 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 5: like an hour later, and he goes, they signed Will Vetable. 752 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 5: I go, it's He goes, what I said, it's pronounced. 753 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 5: It's spelt v E n A b l A. And 754 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 5: he's like, he goes, I thought it was Vetable. I said, no, 755 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 5: it's it's it's Vanoble. He goes, Really, I never knew that. 756 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 5: So now the day our day go this is he 757 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 5: goes on. We're up in the press box, in and 758 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 5: out of the clubhouse. We're finally gonna at like four thirty, 759 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 5: we're gonna meet with Pete mccannon. They signed the guy 760 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 5: at nine in the morning. I was four thirty and 761 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 5: we're gonna talk to Pete mccannon. And we're down the 762 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 5: left field line in clear Water and Tots Todd says, uh, 763 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 5: what are your plans for. 764 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: What? He looks at him like he's. 765 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 5: Got ten heads. Henobly his name is Venable. I immediately 766 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 5: turn a Jim. I'm like, I am gonna murder you. 767 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: I am. 768 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 5: I didn't know about that one. That's so good, the 769 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 5: little things you do to keep your sanity on a 770 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 5: baseball beat. 771 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's great. 772 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: Man, that's a great way to end it. 773 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, thanks everybody for listening. 774 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: We will be back with you later this week.